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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: We had a caller who wanted to have a pie

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Speaker 2: to the face bet with any of the Dan Nets.

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Speaker 2: He said that Notre Dame is going undefeated and winning

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Speaker 2: the national championship. Well, all four DNTs held up their hand.

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Speaker 2: They're going to go against that bet that Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: will not go undefeated and win the national championship. We

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Speaker 2: start there with Andy Staples, one of the great college

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Speaker 2: football reporters in America. He works for on three Sports.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at Notre Dame schedule. Paully, give me the

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Speaker 2: schedule here with Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: It's a saucy Miami. They are at for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 4: They're at Miami host text A and m host Purdue

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Speaker 4: at Arkansas to start.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you think Notre Dame can go undefeated?

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Speaker 5: And Polly strikes me as a as a blueberry guy,

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Speaker 5: maybe one of those latticework apple pie guys. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I really, you guys do need to start thinking about

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Speaker 5: the pie that you would like to get in the face.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I think yeah, okay, this as possible.

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Speaker 6: It is possible.

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Speaker 5: They can go twelve and zero winning the national title

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Speaker 5: is a bit harder because you've got to get through

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Speaker 5: that entire tournament, but hell, it got to the national

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Speaker 5: title game last year.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Andy, are you willing to take a pie to

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Speaker 2: the face if Notre Dame doesn't go undefeated?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take a pile of the face before we go.

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Speaker 3: You let me know when I need to do it.

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Speaker 5: Just look, a Northern Illinois game can happen to you,

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Speaker 5: and they could go to Miami and lose Week one.

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Speaker 5: But this is one of those seasons that just feels

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Speaker 5: like we don't know anything, but Notre Dame feels like

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Speaker 5: one of the surer things, which is interesting because they

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Speaker 5: are breaking in a new starting quarterback and we don't

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Speaker 5: really know how that's gonna look, but we do know

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Speaker 5: they're gonna have one of the best offensive lines in

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Speaker 5: college football. Jeremiah Love is probably the best back in

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Speaker 5: college football, and I think the receivers, you're going to

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Speaker 5: see them a Jane Greathhouse you so toward the end

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Speaker 5: of the playoff, like, really step up. So I do

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Speaker 5: think you're gonna see a more dynamic version of a

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Speaker 5: Dame offense, even though you've got a new quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Probably C. J.

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Speaker 2: Carr. You point out that six of the eight betting

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Speaker 2: favorites to win the national Championship are going to break

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Speaker 2: in new starting quarterbacks. Texas is technically breaking in a

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Speaker 2: new quarterback, but it's a well known quarterback handicapped. You know,

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Speaker 2: these teams, who are you know and the new quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: we should be aware of.

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Speaker 5: So the new of the new guys, Arch Manning is

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Speaker 5: the one probably who has the most experienced so of

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Speaker 5: those six teams, So that's that's Texas, Ohio State, Georgia,

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama.

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Speaker 6: Arch has quite a bit of experience.

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Speaker 5: Oregon's starting quarterback Dante Moore had some experience as UCLA

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Speaker 5: started a couple of years ago, but Arch probably has

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Speaker 5: been the most ready for this. And it's interesting because

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Speaker 5: if Arch comes in and they're signficantly more dynamic offensively

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Speaker 5: than they were last year, you're gonna get those retroactive.

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Speaker 6: Questions of C.

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Speaker 5: Sarkisian why didn't you start Arch over quinn yours earlier?

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Speaker 5: But I'm fascinated to see what he looks like because

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Speaker 5: I think people who just see the last name, they're thinking, oh,

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Speaker 5: this guy is gonna look like Peyton or Eli.

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Speaker 3: He is not.

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Speaker 6: Arch is a dual threat quarterback.

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Speaker 5: His dad, Cooper, was a wide receiver who would have

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Speaker 5: had a neck injury. So this is a This is

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Speaker 5: an athlete who actually has a very good arm. And

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Speaker 5: so Arch's threat to run makes Texas a very different

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Speaker 5: team to defend than quinn Ewers Texas from last year.

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Speaker 5: And we'll get a good good look at it week

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Speaker 5: one against Ohio State because Ohio State's gonna be breaking

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Speaker 6: New defensive starters.

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Speaker 2: The other quarterbacks though Ohio State introd do they know

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Speaker 5: It's probably Julian Sayan, who is a guy who originally

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Speaker 5: Ohio State. He was the understudy last year to Will Howard.

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Speaker 5: So the thought is that it's going to be him.

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Speaker 5: And really, if you're throwing to Jeremiah Smith and Carnell

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Speaker 5: And Jeremiah Smith is just a freak of nature. He's

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Speaker 5: the best player in college football this year. I don't

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Speaker 5: he is the best player he could enter the If

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Speaker 5: there was a supplemental draft tomorrow, every team in the

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Speaker 2: If I gave you the top three teams in the

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Speaker 2: initial rankings or everybody else to win the national championship,

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Speaker 2: everybody else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's more variability this year. I feel like the

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Speaker 5: quarterback things a big reason for it. I look at

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Speaker 5: the coaches poll and I've noticed this. So the coaches

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Speaker 5: poll came out this week. We had my colleague Brett

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Speaker 5: build his AP pole ballot. I've done some way too early.

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Speaker 6: Top twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's top eight feels like it's the same, and everybody says, well,

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Speaker 5: I think any of these teams can win the.

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Speaker 6: National title, and I would agree.

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Speaker 5: I like Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oregon, Alabama,

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Speaker 5: in whatever order you want. You could make a very

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Speaker 5: compelling case to me right now that those could be

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Speaker 5: the national champs. I have a hard time with anybody else,

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Speaker 5: but I also know we saw Indiana last year. I

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Speaker 5: don't know that anybody who predicted Notre Dame going as

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Speaker 6: There's gonna be a couple others that pop up.

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Speaker 2: Talking and Andy Staples covers college football for on three sports.

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Speaker 2: Is there an SMU Arizona State Indiana? Maybe we would

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Speaker 2: consider overachiever who could be in the national title picture

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Speaker 2: or the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Indiana thing's interesting because usually when a team

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Speaker 5: not typically a successful program, they just sort of go back.

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Speaker 5: Indiana didn't lose anybody but the quarterback Curtis Rourke, and

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Speaker 5: then they went out and got Fernando Mendoza from Cal

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Speaker 5: a transfer. So Indiana could still be just as good

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Speaker 5: you've also got Illinois that won ten games last year.

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Speaker 6: Brought a ton of guys back in the Big twelve.

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Speaker 5: Arizona State, you know we predicted them last last year

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Speaker 5: they won the thing. They've got Sam Levitt back at QB,

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Speaker 5: so everybody's expecting big things from them. But I say

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Speaker 5: watch Utah in the Big twelve. They had a terrible

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Speaker 6: Of a runner than a thrower.

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Speaker 5: But when you have an offensive line like Utah's, that's

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Speaker 5: just fine.

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Speaker 2: Give me the coaches that are under more pressure than

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Speaker 5: It's a crazy situation in the SEC because you have

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Speaker 5: Billion Apier at Florida, Hugh Freeze at Auburn, Brent Vinnables

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Speaker 5: at Oklahoma. All of them should have better teams than

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Speaker 5: they had last year. All of them probably have rosters

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Speaker 5: capable of competing for playoff berths. But the Oklahoma and

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Speaker 5: Florida situations, the schedules are so hard that if things

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Speaker 5: you could see the whole staff get fired.

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Speaker 6: For Auburn, they have the roster.

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Speaker 5: They just didn't have the quarterback play last year like

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Speaker 5: they were bad last year because they had essentially this

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Speaker 5: groundhog Day thing where they'd have a crippling interception late

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Speaker 5: in the game, and Hugh Freeze didn't manage his quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: He's throwing them under the bus publicly.

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Speaker 5: If they get even average quarterback play, that's a team

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Speaker 5: that compete for a playoff berth. But if this roster

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Speaker 5: goes six and six, you're making a change. Probably what

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Speaker 5: about USC? It's a great question, Dan. When you hear

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Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley talk, it sounds like he is pointing towards

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. They have this massive recruiting class coming

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six, and I think if you ask

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Speaker 5: they'd be pointing toward the following year. It's not what

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Speaker 5: they wanted, but that they They don't seem particularly excited

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Speaker 5: about their chances in the Big Ten this year. I

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Speaker 5: do think they're very excited about who's on Long Street,

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Speaker 5: their freshman quarterback, But I don't know that Lincoln Riley's

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Speaker 5: ready to throw him into the fire yet.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like they're gonna still go with Jade Mayava.

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Speaker 5: So this is a team that you know it, just

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Speaker 5: it's not been built up in the trenches the way

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Speaker 5: it should have been since Lincoln Riley got there. It

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Speaker 5: seems like in recruiting they are trying to do that now.

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Speaker 5: But I just don't know that that's it's not ready

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Speaker 5: looking at a you know, average to above average season

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Speaker 5: in the Big Ten, which is not what you're paying

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Speaker 5: ten million bucks a year for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, they're patient, far more paid. We're patient, But

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Speaker 2: it's because of that contract. I'm guessing that's a big reason.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of too expensive to fire coaches right now.

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Speaker 5: You know that under pressure list could have been a

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Speaker 5: lot longer. But Luke Fickel at Wisconsin, Mark Stoops at Kentucky,

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Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley at USC you're not firing them.

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Speaker 6: You are not.

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Speaker 5: Raising that much money and firing them. It's just not

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Speaker 5: worth it.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, Andy, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Dan appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Andy Staples covers college football for on three Sports.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that the consumer was at the

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Speaker 4: Frankly, the NFL has had essentially a struggling media property

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Speaker 2: Dan, I mean like ten.

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Speaker 4: We will see and look, you give the league ten

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Speaker 2: You might be the first person, maybe the only person

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Speaker 4: I really do think that Jerry wants Micah to either

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Speaker 3: And I know twenty four million sounds like.

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Speaker 3: What he could do, What David White could do, immediately

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Speaker 4: You want, you want to try to balance out the

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Speaker 2: of nowhere, the NFL comes out with no more smelling salts?

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Speaker 2: Where's this been?

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Speaker 3: Or you know what took so long?

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Speaker 4: It's been sixteen years since they had the concussion epiphany.

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Speaker 3: Like it's always been a weird.

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Speaker 4: Look for the NFL, And now all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: I assume, bring your own smelling salts, stick them in

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're taking the liability away from the teams.

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Speaker 3: We're not supplying them.

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Speaker 4: Now they'd have to negotiate with the union. See that's

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Speaker 4: We can't get sued.

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Speaker 3: We can't get in trouble for.

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Speaker 4: Supplying these to somebody who has a concussion and they

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Speaker 4: I would say that for now you should not be concerned.

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Speaker 4: I think they have deliberately given him time to let

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Speaker 4: I think that they're trying to do Dan It's a

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Speaker 4: You don't draft Shude or Sanders in round five, when

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Speaker 4: for the Browns and I feel bad for Browns fans.

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Speaker 4: They deserve so much better than what they've gotten. And

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Speaker 4: it all goes back to ownership. It all starts there,

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Speaker 4: and what they've gotten under Jimmy Haslam has been unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: What does Deshaun Watson do every day?

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Speaker 4: Well, he is working his way back dan to full health,

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Speaker 4: and that is where this messy quarterback situation gets even

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Speaker 4: worse when he shows up with the piece of paper

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Speaker 4: that says you're good to go.

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Speaker 3: They got a decision to make.

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Speaker 4: They either got to put him on the fifty three

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Speaker 4: man roster with however many other quarterbacks they're going to

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Speaker 4: carry into the season, or they have to release him

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Speaker 4: and Dan, if they release him, they take a one

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty million dollars cap charge next year for

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Speaker 4: his contract. If they release him right now, so he

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Speaker 4: may be on the roster, we may have a fight

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Speaker 4: under the CBA where the player says I'm healthy and

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Speaker 4: the team says, no, you're not, and they have a

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Speaker 4: grievance where the doctors fight it out to prove whether

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Speaker 4: or not Deshaun Watson's health health and if he wins,

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Speaker 4: they've either got to put him on the roster or

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Speaker 4: they have to cut him.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: And they're not going to cut him because they're not

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Speaker 4: going to take that one hundred and thirty one million

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Speaker 4: dollar cap charge next year.

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Speaker 2: Does Deshaun Watson want to play football again?

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Speaker 4: I think he looked Dan, you know, I think where

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Speaker 4: the worm may have turned for him, because you know,

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Speaker 4: between the rustiness and the injuries and the off field issues.

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Speaker 4: I think it really did affect him as a human being.

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Speaker 4: How could it not all those different things? And look,

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Speaker 4: I'm not excusing it direct result of his own alleged misbehavior,

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Speaker 4: But when the owner of the team comes out and says,

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Speaker 4: in March Man, we really took a swing and a

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Speaker 4: miss on that one, that's kind of a middle finger

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Speaker 4: to Deshaun Watson. So now he's got a purpose, he's

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Speaker 4: got a reason, he's got he's got an apollo creed

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Speaker 4: for his Rocky bow ball to try to make this

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Speaker 4: a comeback story. And I'm sure he'd love to stick

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Speaker 4: it to Jimmy Haslam and put the Browns in the

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Speaker 4: position where they've got to activate him and put him

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Speaker 4: back on the roster. I think the guy fully intends

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Speaker 4: to get healthy and come back and try to be

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Speaker 4: the guy that he was that made the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Give up all that stuff to get him.

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Speaker 2: Can Justin Tucker play again, Well he's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have to serve the ten game suspension.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Dan, the reality is this, he dipped

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Speaker 4: last year from a performance standpoint. Now if he can

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Speaker 4: convince a team that he can show up and kick

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Speaker 4: like he used to.

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Speaker 3: Then you get into the question.

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Speaker 4: Of do we want to take and this look, I

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Speaker 4: hate to be the cynical about this is the way

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Speaker 4: it works. What's the pr hit. What kind of criticism

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Speaker 4: are we going to take if we bring in Justin Tucker?

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Speaker 4: How much better is he going to make us? Are

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Speaker 4: we better off just getting a guy no one knows

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Speaker 4: to be our kicker.

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Speaker 3: That's the analysis of team's going to have to make.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. Thank you again, Mike, I

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Speaker 3: Your throat every day.

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, Front office sports senior media reporter and Tuned

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Speaker 2: In columnists, joining us on the program. Mike, thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us. What did ESPN buy from NFL Network?

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Speaker 8: I think they've bought themselves an insurance policy, Dan. I

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Speaker 8: think when you look at the future and you see

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Speaker 8: streamers like Apple coming in, it's going to be a

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Speaker 8: lot harder for NFL to get rid of ESPN or

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Speaker 8: take away their Monday Night package if they're actual equity

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Speaker 8: partners together. So I think that's one thing. I think

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Speaker 8: number two, they bought a huge selling point for their

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Speaker 8: new direct to consumer platform, red Zone, NFL Network, NFL programming,

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Speaker 8: This is the beachfront property that we all want. So

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Speaker 8: I think those are the two big things.

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Speaker 2: Anybody else consider this move buying NFL network.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they talked to a lot of people, and only ESPN,

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Speaker 8: you know, came up and stepped up to the table.

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Speaker 8: And I think there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 8: grousing Dan, amongst the other media partners. Is ESPN going

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Speaker 8: to get Favorite Nation treatment? Are they going to get

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Speaker 8: a better game schedule. Are they going to get more

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Speaker 8: Super Bowls? But you know, I think the NFL's answer

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Speaker 8: to that will be tough. You had your chance, and

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Speaker 8: just like the NFL TV partners passed on Thursday Night

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Speaker 8: Football and it ended up on Amazon, they had their

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Speaker 8: chance and they didn't go for it.

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Speaker 2: Does Fox have a gripe about this? Does NBC have

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Speaker 2: a gripe? Will they? As you said, it feels like

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Speaker 2: the NFL is going to give preferential treatment to ESPN,

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Speaker 2: and you know, as a result of this deal.

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Speaker 8: I think they will have a gripe. I think there's

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Speaker 8: going to be grumbling. I think there's gonna be some

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Speaker 8: you know, working of the referees as it were Dan,

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Speaker 8: you know, to try to make sure everybody gets favorite

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Speaker 8: Nation status. But in the end of the NFL doesn't care.

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Speaker 8: The NFL makes up the rules and they played by

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Speaker 8: their own rules, and you know, if they don't like it,

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Speaker 8: they can go pound sand.

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Speaker 2: So in three years from now, Stephen A. Smith is

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Speaker 2: handing out the Lombardi Trophy.

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Speaker 8: Well, actually I was hoping you would do it then.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going back to the Mothership. But you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe rich Eisen can because they it would be awesome

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Speaker 2: if Chris Berman got to hand out a Super Bowl trophy.

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Speaker 8: And that was one of my favorite stories recently, was

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Speaker 8: ESPN extending Boomer through his fiftieth year at the Mothership

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Speaker 8: and making sure he's much of the super Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 8: as you know Dan, you know, ESPN has wanted the

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl since it's founding. They've got a countdown clock

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Speaker 8: there on Bristol, you know, ticking away the time until

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty seven. So it's gonna be big for that.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was up there, what was at

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Speaker 2: the forty fifth anniversary, and I was talking to Jimmy Pataro,

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Speaker 2: and I said, don't let Chris Berman disappear. Don't let

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Speaker 2: him disappear the network owes him. Make sure you keep

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Speaker 2: him on primetime. And you know what he did. He said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I really appreciate you telling me that. I said,

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Speaker 2: this is what Chris lives for. This is important to him,

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Speaker 2: and I truly mean that. You know what he's meant.

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Speaker 2: He's the most important person in the history of ESPN

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Speaker 2: because of what he's done for that place and continues

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Speaker 2: to do it. So if he got a chance to

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Speaker 2: hand out the Super Bowl trophy. The only problem is

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Speaker 2: they would have to tell Chris you got to eat

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Speaker 2: up though you can't be you know, spending a lot

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Speaker 2: of time. You know, time is money, get the trophy,

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Speaker 2: do your interviews, and then send it back up to

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Speaker 2: the booth.

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Speaker 8: That's right, that's right. He's got to get it. He's

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Speaker 8: got to get it together to do it fast. But

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Speaker 8: I mean, you're right. I mean NFL Prime Time was

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Speaker 8: so influential back in the day, you know, for the

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Speaker 8: Internet and all the rest of it. That's how we

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Speaker 8: got our highlights, you know, that's how we check that

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Speaker 8: our fantasy football players. And we lived and died by

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Speaker 8: that show.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Mike McCarthy, it's front office sports senior media reporter,

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Speaker 2: I brought up the conflict of interest with the Mothership

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Speaker 2: and the NFL. I don't know if it matters. You know,

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Speaker 2: they own ten percent of ESPN. Now, you know, ESPN

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Speaker 2: has been a partner with NFL forever. Anyway, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is now just becomes official. Is there any thought

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Speaker 2: to that from ESPN side of this, of the optics

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Speaker 2: of how this looks?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was.

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Speaker 8: Asking them about it today and they don't seed as

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Speaker 8: a problem. I mean, ESPN is already paying two point

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Speaker 8: seven billion dollars a year for Monday Night football rights,

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Speaker 8: which is far more than any other media reporter. You

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Speaker 8: know as a journalist. Does it concern me? Yes, But

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Speaker 8: I think these issues are come under the heading of

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Speaker 8: the horses out of the barn. You know, we're not

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Speaker 8: going back to the days where ESPN is going to

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Speaker 8: do playmakers or do something that's going to tick off

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Speaker 8: Paul Tagliabu or Roger Goodell. They know that the NFL

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Speaker 8: is where it's at and they want to stay on

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Speaker 8: the good side of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: The future of Red Zone is future of Red Zone

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Speaker 2: is not going to change, thank you. Scott Hansen will

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Speaker 2: continue to host The Red Zone, they will continue to

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Speaker 2: produce the show NFL Network. However, here's the real wrinkle

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Speaker 2: in this, Dan is ESPN gets the rights to the

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Speaker 2: Red Zone brand, so they will in the future be

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Speaker 2: able to do future red zones for other league partners. Now,

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Speaker 2: if I'm an ESPN and I'm going to the NBA

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Speaker 2: right now and saying i want to do a red

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Speaker 2: Zone for the NBA, especially with Amazon and NBC breathing

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Speaker 2: down my neck, this ball, hm, well, they would have

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Speaker 2: the licensing for red zone.

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Speaker 9: You're saying that's right, and they would be able to

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Speaker 9: create a red zone for the NBA, a red zone

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Speaker 9: for the NHL, possibly a red zone for college football,

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Speaker 9: and ESPN would own those new rights going forward.

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Speaker 2: Great work, keep it up, Mike. Great to talk to

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Speaker 2: you again, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Dan.

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Speaker 2: That's Michael McCarthy