1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak here for this Thursday, the twenty 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: second of June in London. Coming up today. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 2: I'm lucky for some The Bank of England gets set 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: for a thirteenth consecutive rate rise. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Howel's pair the Fed Chief indicates that two more hikes 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: are likely this year. 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: Put inside for insider trading. An ex Goldman banker is 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: convicted of passing tips to a friend. 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: The age old old age question and the only way 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: is ethics. Those are the stories we're looking at in 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: today's papers. I'm James Walcock. 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Plus, the search for the Titanic sub continues with less 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: than ten hours of air remaining. Rescuers are chasing sounds 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: detected underwater. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 4: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 4: news you need to start your day in just one 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business App 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 4: and everywhere you get your podcasts. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: Good morning. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Caroline Hecker. Here are the 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: stories that we're following today. 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: The Bank of England is expected to raise interest rates 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: by twenty five basis points today and what will be 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: its thirteenth increase in a row. With inflation remaining stubbornly 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: high at eight point seven percent, traders are betting the 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: Bank of England will have to accelerate the pace of 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: hikes again. A twenty five basis point hike would bring 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: the bring the bank's based rate to four point seven 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: five percent. Associated General's global chief economist Klaus Batter says 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: markets are wrong to expect a six percent terminal rate. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 5: I'm very hesitant to use the terms take plation. I 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 5: mean we don't. We're not quite in the camp of 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 5: the six percent we I mean currently word at four 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 5: fifty We've got another two rate hikes by the Bank 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 5: of England getting us to five percent. 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: Klaus Batter's comments com as Bloomberg Economics is forecast that 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: six percent rates would knock about two percent off UK GDP. 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: Bwe's decision will be announced at twelve pm London time. 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Will have live coverage across Bloomberg Radio, television and of 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: course on the terminal well. 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: The jump in rate Betts has fueled a renewed rise 42 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: in mortgage rates to above six percent in the UK. 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: The rising costs of borring will ramp up the pressure 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: on the one point three million households due to refinance 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: fixed rate loans this year. The Prime Minister is she 46 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Soon Act says the government is doing what it can 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: to help. 48 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 6: We've also established a new FCA consumer duty that will 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 6: protect borrowers, for example, by allowing them to extend their 50 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 6: mortgage terns or switch to interest only mortgages. And we 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 6: have spent tens of billions of pounds supporting households with 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 6: a living cost. 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: But Sunac's comments come as several of his own MPs 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: told Bloomberg that furlough payments and energy bills support have 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: led voters to expect government intervention on mortgages. 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve Chief Jerome Powerless signal that the Central Bank 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: will raise rates twice more this year. Here's what he 58 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: told the US House Financial Services Committee. 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 7: Almost every single of the sixteen of the eighteen participants 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 7: on the FMC wrote down that they do believe it'll 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 7: be appropriate to raise rates, and a big majority believes 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 7: razor rates twice this year. And you know, I think 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 7: that's a pretty good guess of what will happen if 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 7: the economy performs about is expected. 65 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Pal also told lawmakers the FED is running down its 66 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: balance sheet at a pace of around one trillion dollars 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: a year. His comments come after the Federal Reserve paused 68 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: its series of interest rate hikes last week for the 69 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: first time in fifteen months. 70 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: The European Central Bank is pushing lenders to test how 71 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: long they'd last in a bank run, as these sector 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: plans for future crises Bloomberg. Samuel Etien reports. 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 8: Credit Sweezies collapse was a wake up call modern day 74 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 8: bank runs can happen in days rather than months, sources 75 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 8: tell Bloomberg. The ECB is responding it's placing more weight 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 8: on how long banks can survive with no access to funding, 77 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 8: instead of just their liquidity ratios. The disaster planning hasn't 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 8: stopped at the Central Bank. A survey of EU banks 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 8: says eighty seven percent have started modeling how climate change 80 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 8: could be a financial shock. Some are war gaming what 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 8: would happen if the fossil fuels sect to rapidly shed 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 8: value in London? Samuel Ettian, Bloomberg, Daybreak Europe. 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: A former Goldman Sax banker has been found guilty of 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: passing inside information to a once close friend. Briget Goel 85 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: was convicted in Manhattan on Wednesday of tipping our former 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: Barclays trader ak Shae Nuranjan about deals at Goldman. Naranjan 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: made two hundred and eighty thousand dollars in illegal profits 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: trading on the information, but later flipped on his friend. 89 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: The charges carry a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison, 90 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: though he's likely to be sentenced to much less. 91 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: International team searching for the submersible missing near the wreck 92 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: of the Titanic are zeroing in on unidentified noises detected underwater. 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: The chairman and co founder of Horizon Maritime Services, Sean Leet, 94 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: says that they're doing everything they can to facilitate a rescue. 95 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 9: The equipment that's been mobilized for this is the finest 96 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 9: in the world, the most capable in the world. We 97 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 9: have to hold old hope. I think, as you're aware, 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 9: there's still life support available on the suberstible, and we'll 99 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 9: continue to hold old hope until the very end. 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Horizon Maritime Services are part of an international rescue effort 101 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: that includes advanced equipment and underwater robots from the United States, Canada, 102 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: and France. The five man crew of the missing mini 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: sub are currently thought to have less than ten hours 104 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: of air remaining. Those are our top stories this morning. 105 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: So the robots are coming apparently Stephens, well robots, maybe 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: that's a bit a bit ostentatious, I mean computer algorithms. 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: At least a couple of really interesting pieces on the 108 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: Ternel about this. So computer algorithms, Goldman Sachs is replacing 109 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: external money managers, including names like Brigade Capital Management, Marathon 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Asset Management Artists and partners with computer driven algorithms. Why 111 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: they're trying to slash fees of course, and they're also 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: trying to rebuild dwindling assets a Goldmin Sachs that talk 113 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: about the repositioning, and this. 114 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: Is at a time that we know the JP Morgan 115 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: has been really moving very quickly to hire as many 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: people as possible for their push into AI as well. 117 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: Jamie Diamond has called artificial intelligence critical for the bank 118 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: as well, and they've now named Teresa Heights and Reather 119 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 2: as the head of its new data and analytics unit 120 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: as well. So it's an interesting shift that we're seeing 121 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: across the industry, driven as you say, by this idea 122 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: of you know, if there's more AI involved, it means 123 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: fewer people, which means cheper fees. For those who are 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: using the services as well. But there's also now a 125 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: huge competition among banks to try and get the people 126 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: that they need to develop the algorithms to be able 127 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: to set this whole process in motion. 128 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean Heights and Weather is a veteran 129 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: of JP Morgan, of course, but no, I think it's 130 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: very interesting that they are creating an entirely new department 131 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: and then all the kind of AI people within JP 132 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Morgan will answer to her, as you say, Jamie Darmond 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: having talked about the importance of all of this, Yeah, 134 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty fascinating. Though. 135 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is a little bit worrying, but we'll 136 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: try to focus too much on that. We're looking for 137 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: something to distract you from the impending robots taking your jobs. 138 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: Is a great piece from our colleagues about the summer 139 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: essentials that you can buy for your summer holidays. So 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: this is an article by our colleague Kristen Shirley looking 141 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: at the trends in terms of travel technology, things like 142 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: the Lomo instant camera. 143 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: This is the summer of revenge spending. Revenge travel holidays 144 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: apparently that we've long been. 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Because airfares are so high people are thinking, well, I 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: just won't. Maybe I'll just spend money on some accessories instead. Yes, 147 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: maybe your eye out of this list. 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's got some pretty fancy gear, actually 149 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: doesn't it watches, handbags, summer time pieces. 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: Something for everyone. Yeah, there's actually similarly looking time pieces 151 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: as well in this too. So anyway, look, that's a 152 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: bit of holiday inspiration if you're looking outside of the 153 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: nice weather today and wondering what it's going to be 154 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: like when you get to take a break this summer. 155 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: At least. 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: Of course, the focus today will be on what exactly 157 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: the Bank of England says, given that we had that 158 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: hotter than expected inflation number yesterday. Our UK correspondent Lizzie 159 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Burden is with us for more on this. Lizzie, we 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: were all there were sharp intakes of breath all around 161 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: in the studio yesterday when we got that number from 162 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: a eight point seven percent. How much will that hot 163 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: inflation point have changed the game for the Bank of England. 164 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 10: Well, it means that half point hike today is potentially 165 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 10: on the table markets. The your forty percent chance of 166 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 10: that happening. But economists do still expect just a quarter 167 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 10: point hike, it'd still be the thirteenth in a row. 168 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 10: It takes rates to four point seventy five percent. But 169 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 10: remember five percent is the level that the bank itself 170 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 10: last summer identified as the level that could trigger debt distress. 171 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 10: But when you've had four straight upside inflation surprises, some 172 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 10: say you need to get a grip of it with 173 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 10: a jumbo hike, and that's why economists aren't ruling it 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 10: out that the fact is, though they say it's more 175 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 10: likely in August. We were talking to Dan Hanson, our 176 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 10: senior UK economist, about this yesterday. Really he says it's 177 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 10: going to be easier to get back to the language 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 10: of acting forcefully with a press conference with forecasts, and 179 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 10: we'll have to wait till August for that. We haven't 180 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 10: had a half point hike since February. Plus by August, 181 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 10: Silvana Tenreirow, one of the big doves on the committee, 182 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 10: is going to have left to be replaced by Megan Green. 183 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 10: She's been making hawkish noises lately. As for this meeting, 184 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 10: though you could see a three way split. You could 185 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 10: have doves like Silvanum Tenrairow and swatted Ingra voting for 186 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 10: a hold, Catherine Mann at the other end going for 187 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 10: a half point hike, and the rest in the middle 188 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 10: going for twenty five basis points. 189 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: But those real concern isn't there out of that data 190 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: that we had yesterday that core inflation is going up, 191 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: that its services, that it's the domestic economy that is 192 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: seeing that inflation. So sort of blaming it, you know, 193 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: on energy prices from the war in Ukraine or even 194 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: breaks it seems a little bit outdated. But as you say, 195 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: there's no press conference today, so what are we going 196 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to be looking at in the Bank of England statements. 197 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 10: Well, it's all about the future path for rates. So 198 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 10: markets now fully pricing that rates will peak at six 199 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 10: percent by December, some traders even seeing six point two 200 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 10: five percent. Bloomberg Economics reckons if you have rates at 201 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 10: six percent, that would trigger a recession, a two percent 202 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 10: drop in GDP, which is why there's this skepticism that 203 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 10: the bank would actually go that far. The question today 204 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 10: is really whether the governor is going to push back 205 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 10: against market expectations. It's not something that officials usually do, 206 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 10: they don't see it as their job, but they do 207 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 10: make exceptions sometimes, like we saw in November. Will they 208 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 10: do it again today? What if the market ignores them? 209 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 10: It then becomes a question of credibility. 210 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: Okay, twelve pm UK time one will have that decision. 211 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Lizzie Burden, thank you so much for taking us through 212 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: all of that. 213 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Up next, the age Old Old Age Question and the 214 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: only way is ethics. 215 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: Now the Paper Review on blue Bird Daybreak Europe. The 216 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: news you need to know from today's papers. 217 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 8: Boom. 218 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: James Wilcock is with us now for details in the 219 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: stories and to explain those terrible puns. James, James Wilcock, 220 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: good morning to you. Let's start in the Financial Times. 221 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: They're rising about the Resolution Foundation's work on pension super funds. 222 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the age old old age question 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: that I forced Caroline to read out just a moment ago. 224 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: Now we've been talking about this for quite some time, 225 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 3: which is why it's the age old question. I mean 226 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: Caroline has had the mayor to in London on who's 227 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: talking about pension from consolidation. Many think tanks, including both 228 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: political parties, are putting out ideas. The Resolution Foundation have 229 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: a report out this morning and what's fascinating is just 230 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: to see a bit more flesh on the bones of 231 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: what they're calling for. They want consolidation of ninety percent 232 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: of Britain's pension funds. That's the little level we're talking here, 233 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: because they see it as it's not necessarily a lack 234 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: of capital. That's the other big headline figure though for them, 235 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: it is actually what they see as a issue where 236 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: the UK, uniquely compared to other companies and issues in Europe, 237 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: has very little large corporate governance, in that you have 238 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: lots of small hedge funds and lots of small pension 239 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: funds and not many large voices on the table who 240 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: are saying you need to deliver returns, you need to 241 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 3: grow as a business, you need to be sort of 242 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: pushing for more riskier activities. And so they're saying that 243 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: actually there is a big issue where a lot of 244 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: pension fund managers don't do much in the way of 245 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: corporate governance. 246 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 247 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is this the unintended consequence of the twenty 248 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: fifteen pension freedom So the major reform in terms of 249 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: allowing people you know, much more say over their defined 250 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: contribution pension schemes. Yeah, And it ties into also, of 251 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: course how much risk the UK is prepared to take 252 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: and you know how you create growth and invest in Britain. 253 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: Exactly, And I mean they also sort of say that 254 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: you could try and mandate this in terms of say 255 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: labor of talking about creating a business band. The Conservatives say, 256 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: looking at say the PPF, which is the Safety Net 257 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: Fund as ways of driving investment is that's one way. 258 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: But this is also partly about attitude. And they keep 259 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: coming back to that. Now, whether that it was that 260 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: reforming twenty fifteen that you point out, Caroline or not. 261 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: They go back to the two thousands and they say 262 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: the UK has uninvested less than yes sin say US 263 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: or Germany or France over a two decade period and 264 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: that adds up to four percent and lost GDP. 265 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: They say, yeah, absolutely enormous. They also say that, yeah, 266 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: perhaps in Europe you have more workers on boards as well, 267 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: encouraging the risk taking investing. 268 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: Okay, James. Meanwhile, academic journals and the filancial times are 269 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: getting into academic dishonesty. Thus the creation of your masterpiece. 270 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: The only way is ethics. Well, not my massive fees. 271 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: I don't make credit for that show, but I like 272 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: when I was a philosophy student one of my favorite 273 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: philosophy papers looked at the problem with ethics professors, the 274 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: idea being is are they any better than the rest 275 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: of us? Found that inner libraries, they went through all 276 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: the US and British libraries, academic libraries, compared to any 277 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: other books, ethic speciors on average had more overdue books 278 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: and more missing books than other professions. So are they 279 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: actually better? And so this story that has taken a 280 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: hold in science, and it is also in the ft 281 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: in that Francesca Gino is one of Harvard Business Schools 282 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: best known behavioral scientists, and she works on rebel Talent 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: to twenty eighteen book with why it Pays to break 284 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: the rules at work and at life. And it seems 285 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: it's being alleged that a lot of her data may 286 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: have been made up. And this comes as part of 287 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: a wider crisis we're seeing in sort of replicability in 288 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: behavioral sciences. This includes economics and a lot of other 289 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: psychology testing of like quite how far a lot of 290 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: this stuff is true and is believable? And it is 291 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: this sort of the catchy hook of it is the 292 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: professor who's been studying whether the stuff is believable and 293 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: how people lie that also might have made up their 294 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: own data. 295 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: Wow, that's quite some accusation. Okay, very interesting. 296 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: Just a word on Guardian and university students. 297 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, we're having such a big focus on 298 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: labor market here. It's interesting to see how that's affecting 299 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: the next generation. Two years ago, thirty five per cent 300 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: of students, so they were taking on paid work to 301 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: make meet with the studies. This year, according to the 302 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: survey of the Higher Education Policy Institute, that's ow fifty 303 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: five percent. So we're looking at how this is impacting 304 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: the rest of labor market, and we are a bit troubled. 305 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: I mean, Lizzy was just traversing Dan Hansen's confusion over 306 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: this stuff. The student market is one area where it 307 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: is working as intended. Higher inflation is making people go 308 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: to the labor market. But the flip side is that 309 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: is impacting their studies. It is saying that now it 310 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: is at the point where twenty percent of students feel 311 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: that they need to work to study, and if you 312 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: work more than seventeen hours, that is where the dropout 313 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: rates start to go up. 314 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 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