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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Ghost to Ghost George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you with the Good Witch, Patty Negrey Back with Us.

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Speaker 2: Patty is a psychic medium and author. A couple of

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Speaker 2: her books include Dollcraft for Which's Guide to Poppet Magic

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Speaker 2: and Haunted Dolls Your recurring role on the Travel Channel

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Speaker 2: and Discovery hit series Ghost Adventures. Patty Blend's Old World

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Speaker 2: Witchcraft with Modern Psychology to teach practical magic for loves, success,

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Speaker 2: protection and empowerment. The Good Witch. That's a great name

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Speaker 2: to have, Patty.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, George. I was a big fan of Glinda.

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Speaker 3: I grew up on withzard of Oz. So I have

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Speaker 3: the big pink dress and everything. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank god a house didn't land on you, right,

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Speaker 2: I know, Thank goodness. Watch your shoes curl up. That's

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Speaker 2: I didn't like that scene. It scared me when I

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Speaker 2: was a kid.

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Speaker 3: I know that that movie that affected all of us.

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Speaker 3: I think the whole world has been effect good by

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Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So how did Witchcraft become you?

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Speaker 3: I think I was born into me, not my mother

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. I was actually raised without any

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Speaker 3: kind of spirituality or religion because my grandfather was this

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Speaker 3: very famous psychoanalyst philosopher from Turkey, very atheist and humanistic.

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Speaker 3: But I would be in the backyard picking rosemary and

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Speaker 3: mint and stuffing it in my mom's wallet, not knowing

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Speaker 3: it would give her more money. You know, she thought

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Speaker 3: I was putting dirt in her wallet, but I'm no,

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Speaker 3: this is money talking to trees, and it's just been

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Speaker 3: part of who I am. This this respect and working

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Speaker 3: with nature and that you know that this is the

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Speaker 3: one religion that fits with everything that I just know

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Speaker 3: naturally belief systems. So I studied it starting at about

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Speaker 3: age thirteen, I.

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Speaker 2: Think, Patty, there was an agent Celtic tradition of a

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Speaker 2: festival called sem Haine. How did that evolve into modern

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Speaker 2: day Halloween.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually it's spelled like sampagne, but we call

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Speaker 3: it sowin, but you can call it potato, potato, tomato, tomato.

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Speaker 3: Actually it it is This is the witches New Year.

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Speaker 3: This is the witch Is New Year. The veil is

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Speaker 3: thinnest of all the year, and it is actually a

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Speaker 3: time that we celebrate our ancestors, not like the veil

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Speaker 3: is thin, So Halloween came out of that because they

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Speaker 3: would to like frighten the spirits. They would put out

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Speaker 3: They didn't have pumpkins in Europe, but they had turnips.

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Speaker 3: They'd put out turnips and light them up, and they

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Speaker 3: would put on masks and scary things to confuse the spirits.

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Speaker 3: But in actually actuality, the people inside were like putting

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Speaker 3: up pictures of their ancestors and lighting candles and telling

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Speaker 3: stories about their loved ones on the other side, because

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Speaker 3: it's the best night to communicate with them.

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Speaker 2: It is a great night. Tell me about the veil.

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Speaker 2: What does the veil mean?

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Speaker 3: The veil is that little curtain that you can't see

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Speaker 3: that separates our world from there where our three dimensional

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Speaker 3: corporal you know, already ridden well nothing solid. We know

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Speaker 3: that from seventh grade science, moving atoms everywhere, but from

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Speaker 3: the other world, and the other world is where the

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Speaker 3: everything else is. Our deceased ancestors are spirit guides, angelic realm,

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Speaker 3: demonic realm, the elemental realm, tree spirits, fairies and all that,

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Speaker 3: all the fun stuff on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Last night, Patty I had Karen Dolman on talking about

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Speaker 2: Wigi boards and she loves them. She thinks they're just

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Speaker 2: great instruments. And I've got you on the good witch.

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Speaker 2: Are we being tricked by people?

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Speaker 3: No love? I have used wigi boards safely since I

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Speaker 3: was seven or eight. My first dance, I was seven

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Speaker 3: or eight years old. It's just natural in me, and

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Speaker 3: I love Karen and I believe with her it is

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Speaker 3: a divination tool. All these people, I mean Hollywood and

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Speaker 3: we're all in Hollywood, has given wigi boards a bad

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Speaker 3: name because they make them look really scary. They're a

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Speaker 3: divination method, just like everybody who safely uses a little

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Speaker 3: pendulum or your dowsing rods or tarot cards or any

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Speaker 3: other divination method. It's just a doorway for divination. It

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Speaker 3: has taken on a bad connotation because we've given it

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Speaker 3: I think they should have a completely different set of directions.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not sold in toy stores, maybe in adult stores,

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Speaker 3: but not like this is not a toy, this is

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Speaker 3: You want to talk to spirits with real communication, good

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Speaker 3: or light spirits or spirits you know that have something positive,

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Speaker 3: time I've got into trouble, which I've gotten into trouble,

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Speaker 3: I've had you know, people burst into flames. I've had

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, what type of people come

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Speaker 3: Every kind of people, every kind of age range, every

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Speaker 2: And now it seems to me that witchcraft, the occult

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Speaker 2: Is that a pretty accurate perception?

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Speaker 3: Witchcraft is the largest growing religion in America. It is

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Speaker 3: I think, well, number one, times are scary. We know

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Speaker 3: that times are scary right now. The times have always

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Speaker 3: been scary, but times are scary with twenty four to

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Speaker 3: So traditionally when times are scary, would go back to

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Speaker 3: But that's not holding up for everybody. Somebody maybe they're

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Speaker 3: why the rise in things like witchcraft or all the

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Speaker 3: New Age and crystal spirituality over religion, and witchcraft is

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Speaker 3: the one that again has respect for our planet, which

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Speaker 3: going backwards to just getting in touch. We've gotten so

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Speaker 3: far away from ourselves, from our planet, from our connection,

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Speaker 3: and witchcraft is something that gives it to it and

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Speaker 3: does not take away our power. Some people, just some

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Speaker 3: of us, don't want to just have somebody forgive us

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Speaker 3: because they said so, it's just like we want to

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Speaker 2: Your new book is called doll Craft, Witch's Guide to

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Speaker 2: popp It Magic and Haunted Dolls. Tell me about these

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Speaker 2: haunted dolls.

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Speaker 3: Haunted dolls. I'm a doll collector since birth. I was

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Speaker 3: probably in my mother's mooment. I had a large collection

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Speaker 3: and haunted dolls and magical dolls. Both poppets, like the

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Speaker 3: magic part have been in every culture forever and ever

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Speaker 3: and ever, the Japanese culture, the culture everybody has magical dolls,

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Speaker 3: spooky dolls, helping dolls along the way, and me being me,

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Speaker 3: this witchy psychic since a kid and a doll collector,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, starting in two thousand and eight

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Speaker 3: that brought it all together, my witchy, magical spellcasting world

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Speaker 3: of poppets. Here's your poppet for love, for health, for joy,

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Speaker 3: and here's how to take care of your haunted doll.

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Speaker 3: I think one of my early ghost adventures, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: even ghost adventures, it was a spinoff. It was doing

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Speaker 3: a seance with Peggy, the doll super haunted who's given

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Speaker 3: And so I figured, if everybody wants dolls, now, thank

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Speaker 3: you again, Hollywood, Well all the Annabelle conjuring movies, Robert

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Speaker 3: the Dall, More, adults, George have doll collections, male, female,

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Speaker 3: or at least an interest in haunted dolls. And looking

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Speaker 3: at things like Annabelle, it's like there really is kind

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Speaker 3: of proper acquisition careen feeding to them. They are a

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Speaker 3: make you sick, It can be dangerous. So I figured

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Speaker 3: somebody had to write a book on this, and might

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Speaker 2: What makes the dolls haunted? Why do spirits attach themselves

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Speaker 3: Okay, think about it. If you are a dissembodied spirit,

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Speaker 3: You could pick you know, a cell phone, but why

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Speaker 2: You're probably too young to remember this, petty, but might

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Speaker 2: you remember a cartoon called Tom Terrific?

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Speaker 2: No, Tom Terrific was an object. He was a little

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Speaker 2: didn't have any evil to it does Why does Hollywood

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Speaker 2: make all these dolls evil? Because they sell tickets?

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's the money you doesn't want the fun, fun,

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Speaker 3: and keeps your dogging cat entertained. Why do we watch

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Speaker 3: bad news every day on TV? Not the good news

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Speaker 3: every day on TV? Humans are weird, George, you know that.

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Speaker 3: We look at your show. We are this oddity thing

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Speaker 3: and we like to get scared. I think we like

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Speaker 3: to get confused. We like the unknown. So most people

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Speaker 3: There might be a serial cool killer or two in there,

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Speaker 3: but most are good. Most ghost ghosts are good. Most

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Speaker 3: haunted dolls are good. But the ones that are gonna

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Speaker 3: get the press and the pr are they Annabelles and

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Speaker 2: Do you think most people would rather go see a

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Speaker 3: Well, I actually just watched Casper the Friendly Ghost on

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Speaker 3: a movie didn't even know what existed, some movie from

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Speaker 3: They're gonna wink at you on occasion, but they're not

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Speaker 3: going to drain your energy, and they're not gonna make

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Speaker 2: Book What makes a Haunted Doll unhaunted?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can actually banish the spirit if you want to.

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Speaker 3: I don't ever force a spirit. I don't in my magic.

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Speaker 3: and there's really not usually much of a problem calling

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Speaker 3: But make it unhaunted. If you maybe you have something

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Speaker 3: it from a doll. And that's again there's rituals you

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Speaker 3: I actually, even in my book, I have a funeral.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that I've done a lot of funerals for dolls.

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Speaker 2: How do you know if a doll is haunted?

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Speaker 3: Okay, first off, trust your intuition. Number one. If it

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Speaker 3: Look if you have mood changes like wow, I got

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been hurt by a haunted doll yourself?

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Speaker 3: I have not been hurt by a haunted doll. No.

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Speaker 3: Something had came into it. I'd had it for two

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Speaker 3: I didn't well, me being me, I just called Zach Begans.

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Speaker 3: Do you want it? And he goes, well, what does

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Speaker 3: fetish hate doll. Yeah, I want it. I'm going to

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