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Speaker 1: Welcome in hour two on a Wednesday, I'm going on

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Speaker 1: a brief sabbatical, a very very short hiatus for a

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Speaker 1: few days. Jamack will take over starting tomorrow. Matt Hasselbeck

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Speaker 1: will join us in a couple of minutes. We are

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Speaker 1: live at Chicago at sixty five degrees. People always ask me,

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna handle the winter. I'm like, apparently

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Speaker 1: it's over.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 1: I may go play volleyball on the beach today. Incredible.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I used to live in Vegas, and

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Speaker 1: I always I've been in the last year. How many

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Speaker 1: stories last two years? Vegas is dying, Vegas is dying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Vegas is dying. I think Vegas is pivoting.

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Speaker 1: And I think I saw a story today where Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas tourum tourism is dipping. But Allegiant Stadium, the Raiders Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Attendance is increasing, and that leads me to my point

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Speaker 1: on what's happening to Vegas because I lived there for

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Speaker 3: I have friends there.

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Speaker 1: I just talked to one two days ago, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think Vegas is dying. I think in the fifties

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Speaker 1: Vegas was mob guys in the rat pack, and then

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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties it was boxing. I got more global

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Speaker 1: baccarrock players. And in the nineties it became families and

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Speaker 1: gigantic pools and dining, and then in the early two

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Speaker 1: thousands it was nightclubs and bottle service and the residents

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Speaker 4: And now.

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Speaker 1: It's a grown up city with pro sports and UFC

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Speaker 1: and not as many people drink, so free drinks and

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Speaker 1: smoky casinos is not the turn on it apparently used

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Speaker 1: to be. Vegas is a grown up city with pro sports.

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Speaker 1: That in this country, what makes you a grown up

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Speaker 1: city when professional leagues and advertisers go yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: It's not about going to shows. Go to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Now you go for pro football, and you go for

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Speaker 1: the sphere. I mean they're building the sphere in other

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Speaker 1: parts of the world. So I've been hearing the story

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Speaker 1: of Vegas is just dying. I'm like, no, it was

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Speaker 1: keep up. Vegas is exploding in the right ways. So

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Speaker 1: it used to be all about gambling. The economy in

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Speaker 1: Vegas is not as uneven as it used to be,

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Speaker 1: reinvented itself. I mean I lived there for seven years.

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Speaker 1: It reinvented itself. At one time, Steve Winn said it's

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Speaker 1: So I went back to gambling. And then it's nightclubs

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Speaker 1: and it was giant pools. And now now it's a

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Speaker 1: multiple pro sports teams with that Matt Hasselbeck joining us

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Speaker 1: a good mood about that, So I want to do

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Speaker 4: Can I just ask a quick question before before you go?

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Speaker 5: So when you lived in Vegas for seven years, was

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Speaker 5: that bottle service time or was that like the family time?

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Speaker 3: Just kid is great?

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Speaker 1: So when I lived there, the mobsters Tony Spilatro was

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Speaker 5: But I was kind I was hoping to envision Colin

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Speaker 4: But okay, you got that in Chicago. Now if you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a big thing losing your coordinator, especially when

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Speaker 5: they're really good like Clint Kubiak. And you know, I

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Speaker 5: think the big concern was who's he taking with him?

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Speaker 5: But Mike McDonald's done a great job of keeping continuity.

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Speaker 5: They lost the you know, essentially they lost Clint Kuback

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Speaker 5: the continuity is there, and I think it was kind

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Speaker 5: Flurry is the OC and you know the title who

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Speaker 5: you know, he's coming from San Francisco as the tight

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Speaker 4: I think he's got an edge to him though.

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Speaker 5: I mean when when I think of him as a coach,

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Speaker 4: You know, and George Kittle.

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Speaker 5: I think George Kittle is one of He's got like

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Speaker 5: He's a playmaker. And so when you think about what

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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald has talked about what he wants to be

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Speaker 4: And you mentioned Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think they'll franchise him, but they could

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Speaker 4: They could sign him to like a three or four

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Speaker 5: So there's other things on the table to keep him

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Caleb Williams and I said, there

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFC North. And I said, okay, let's

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Speaker 1: forget resumes. I don't care about what you did. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about twenty twenty six. So if you go back

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Speaker 1: and look at and I think Matt, when you talk quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you have to consider their health and their cost. So

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Speaker 1: Caleb does not get hurt. And he's three point five percent.

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Speaker 1: So last year he was the fastest quarterback, not Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Last year he had the longest completion. He is the

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Speaker 1: I look at Caleb and I'm like, okay, So he

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Speaker 1: is fewer interceptions than Mahomes and Lamar and Josh, and

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Speaker 1: lots of that is because he's a small cap hit

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Speaker 1: and he's got better players around him, Okay, like he's

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Speaker 1: got There's no question Bills have no Pro bowlers on defense.

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Speaker 1: Part of that is the fifty four million dollars annually

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Speaker 1: think he doesn't get hurt, he doesn't throw picks, he's

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Speaker 1: an ascending player. No cap hit better roster. The Caleb

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Speaker 1: Does that just sound absurd to you?

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Speaker 5: I thought you started out saying NFC North. Listen, there's

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Speaker 4: Game, a lot.

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Speaker 5: His improvement from year one to year two has been astronomical.

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Speaker 4: Like, I've been very, very impressed.

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Speaker 5: They built the team up Ryan Poles built the team

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Speaker 5: up around him an impressive way. Started up front, Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 5: his impact on Caleb has been incredible. It's fun to watch, exciting.

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Speaker 5: Caleb's got a clutch gene that you don't know if

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Speaker 5: a quarterback has it till you put him in that

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Speaker 5: situation two minute, fourth, fourth quarter like games on the line.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't flinch, he makes plays. He's got all those

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Speaker 5: types of things. But I think, like some of the

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Speaker 5: things you talk about, availability is really important. Sure, touchdown

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Speaker 5: interception ratio, Yeah, that is huge. I mean, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: He's got a quality like Aaron Rodgers that way. You know, really,

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Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about just the NFC North, Like,

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Speaker 5: would you rank him number one in the NFC North

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Speaker 5: there's an argument to be made for Lafleur and Jordan Love. However,

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Speaker 5: believe that's underrated and important. But no, I mean if

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Speaker 5: But that's not always the case. Some guys sometimes that

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Speaker 5: after that first year of success, it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 5: you're guaranteed to have another great year right after.

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Speaker 1: You know, you you bring up a good point that

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Speaker 1: I didn't, which is, when I consider quarterback, you said,

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Speaker 1: not considering what they cost is like doing your family

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Speaker 1: not going to go out to three vacations. Like you

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Speaker 1: And my take is you have to consider what a

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Speaker 1: the play caller. So if now, if you give me

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, he's almost free, he doesn't throw picks number

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Speaker 1: two in big plays. He is right now the number

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Speaker 1: one bet for MVP next year. So it's crazy as

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Speaker 1: it sounds. Everybody's projecting he's going to put up monster numbers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I could see that happening. I would.

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Speaker 5: I would also just say that, you know, just having

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Speaker 5: gone through my career, one of the things that is.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely true, every year is a little bit different. Every

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Speaker 3: What's over the net?

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Speaker 5: He wants to own the offense, and so it's got

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Speaker 1: In my mind, good stuff, good see anybody, Good to

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Speaker 1: see you too. Matt Hasselback eighteen years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Hushman Zatta told me stories about the Bengals, and I

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Speaker 3: Bidwell that are.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's you know, you think, oh, billionaires, they'll

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Speaker 1: And it's just not that way. I remember thinking this

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Speaker 7: So I don't know, remember your favorite movie Moneyball, the owner.

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Speaker 8: It's really not a smart way your employees. You want

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Speaker 3: As an NFL franchise.

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Speaker 7: Or the Jets, you're downgrading in facilities. Very likely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about Caleb Williams with Matt Hasselbeck,

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Speaker 3: Do you have to have an adult discussion?

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Speaker 1: The final eight teams in the NFL playoffs this year

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Speaker 1: final eight teams, four quarterbacks were on their rookie deal

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Speaker 1: Two were on discount deals, Sam Arnold, Matt Stafford, and

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Speaker 1: So to me, everybody wants to talk about best quarterback

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Speaker 1: based on what resume I mean, then nobody can ever

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Speaker 1: be better than Mahomes who has not played great football

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Speaker 1: the last two years?

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Speaker 3: Who's the best quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Well? Am I going to consider cap space, your coach, arm, talent, mobility.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching this great play by Caleb Williams. That was

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Speaker 1: the play of the Year in the NFL by Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams to scramble by the way. He talked on the

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby podcast about Ben Johnson did not love the

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Speaker 1: play initially.

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Speaker 4: Here he is Ben, He's watching me, and he goes.

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Speaker 10: He like tilts his head back, and I already know

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Speaker 10: his minds, like what is he doing? And so I'm like,

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Speaker 10: all right, I about to just, you know, gain a

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Speaker 10: little depth, trying away for somebody to pop open. And

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Speaker 10: I turn around and I see everybody and there's a

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Speaker 10: six foot six tight end and then there's a shorter cornerback.

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Speaker 10: My only thought was put this ball in the back

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Speaker 10: of the end zone. When I let it go, I

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Speaker 10: knew it was a touchdown. So that's why I got

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Speaker 10: up and just went straight to the sideline. I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 10: a little home run trot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was something else. Jmack with the news. Turn

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Speaker 3: on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 8: We haven't talked about the Philadelphia Eagles in quite some

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Speaker 8: time because nothing's really happening there except stuff that you're

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Speaker 8: totally shocked by.

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Speaker 7: Colin.

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Speaker 8: Reports are now indicating Philly has promoted their past game

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Speaker 8: coordinator a gentleman by the name of Parks Fraser. He

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Speaker 8: has been upgraded a quarterbacks coach, replacing a veteran who

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Speaker 8: had twenty years of experience. Why does this matter, well,

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Speaker 8: one of Eagles writers said, Fraser has never been in

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Speaker 8: charge of a position group in his NFL coaching career

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Speaker 8: over nine seasons. That's like having some guy in the

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Speaker 8: building for nine seasons and like pretty much never promoting

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Speaker 8: him to a position group leader, and now he's going

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Speaker 8: to be. Doesn't alongside Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: Like, we always try to project on this show for

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the audience and ourselves, bad teams that

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Speaker 1: will suddenly get really good. Last year we picked New England.

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Speaker 1: We got that right. There's also, always, without question, a

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Speaker 1: great team that falls off the cliff. Washington was that

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Speaker 1: team this year. Kansas City was that team. There were

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Speaker 1: two teams that we thought, you know, they're Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: bubble last year and they were bad. Doesn't it feel

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Speaker 1: like this thing in Philadelphia if it unraveled by late October,

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Speaker 1: just completely unraveled, You wouldn't be shocked late October.

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Speaker 8: What about like March in free agency, if they start

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Speaker 8: losing guys like.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: It's just I haven't read one positive article out of

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Speaker 8: Philadelphia since they got eliminated, have you?

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Speaker 7: I can't think of one positive thing. Very strange, Colin.

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Speaker 8: All anybody's doing is bashing Hurts, bashing Sirianni's decisions. All

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Speaker 8: we keep saying is the GM is outstanding. Can he

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Speaker 8: fix the coaching staff?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 7: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: It's you know, for years and years I've noted that

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Speaker 1: the Eagles do things bad teams do. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: they move off successful, they move off quarterbacks after signing

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Speaker 1: him to big deals. They fire very quickly super Bowl

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Speaker 1: winning coaches. You know, they take big risks. They paid

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Speaker 1: big money for a running back. A lot of what

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Speaker 1: they do bad teams do. But the Eagles are well run,

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Speaker 1: so they compensate for it in other ways. But it

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Speaker 1: feels like they are a lot doesn't. A lot of

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Speaker 1: this come down to a very simple truth is that

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Speaker 1: other in the coaching fraternity, Nick Siriani isn't highly thought of,

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Speaker 1: So guys are leaving the staff, People want to retire,

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Speaker 1: people are moving off they I mean the whole off

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Speaker 1: season is what in the hell is this coaching staff?

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Speaker 1: Does McVeigh ever have a problem firing finding coaches. Does

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan or Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell calls Brian floor Is,

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Speaker 1: it's like boom, it's good, like the best. Jim Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: he needs an offensive coordinator. Mike McDaniels like, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: sign up for it. The better your coach, the easier

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Speaker 1: it is to build a staff. This staff is ham

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Speaker 1: and egging. It is just I mean, it is bailing water,

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Speaker 1: life preserver here, unproven guy here, what does that tell you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think when McVeigh would have this

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Speaker 1: much trouble creating a staff. That's why you can't judge

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Speaker 1: coaches just on winning percentage and trophies. It's more that

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Speaker 1: Don Coriel never won a trophy with San Diego. He

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Speaker 1: was a great coach. So I this thing deals. It

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Speaker 1: can't be this hard to build a staff. It's the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagle, one of the best owned, best run friendsranchises

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Speaker 1: in football, and yet this staff is to be kind suboptimal, suboptible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's move to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Colin

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans unbelievable career in.

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Speaker 8: Tampa, one of the best receivers in the league, great

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Speaker 8: red zone threat. There's talk he could retire, but now,

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Speaker 8: according to his agent, he is going to return for

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Speaker 8: a thirteenth season. However, it's unclear if he's staying in

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Speaker 8: Tampa or going somewhere else. Now, Listen, this guy's had

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Speaker 8: eleven straight seasons with a thousand yards. He's still very good.

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Speaker 8: He's not like still a top five. I don't know

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Speaker 8: about a top ten anymore, but he's still very good.

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Speaker 8: I think he could help contender. I mean, if you're Buffalo,

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Speaker 8: you're just getting Josh Allen on the horn. Please recruit

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Speaker 8: this guy to Buffalo, because if he doesn't stay in

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Speaker 8: Tampa and they have some good receivers, somebody's going to

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Speaker 8: get a good one of Mike Evans.

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Speaker 1: He's a pro, he's probably does he get Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame votes? I would say yes.

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Speaker 7: I think he has to.

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Speaker 8: Right obviously, last season and I had some injury, only

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Speaker 8: played eight games, So some people are gonna be like, well,

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I want Mike Kevins. Listen that

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Speaker 8: he's going to be motivated to chase a super Bowl,

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Speaker 8: hasn't sniffed one in Tampa.

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Speaker 7: Final story con let's go to the NBA.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, the Lakers are dealing with some injuries, but despite that,

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Speaker 8: they're thirty three and twenty one, fifth in the West.

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Speaker 8: Colin give them some prompts. They've only had Lebron, Luka

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Speaker 8: and Reees for ten games. That's incredible. Here's Lebron on

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Speaker 8: the Mind the Game podcast breaking down the state of

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Speaker 8: the team as they head toward a playoff run.

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Speaker 6: We're playing good ball at times. The number one important

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Speaker 6: thing for us is back to his health. You know,

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Speaker 6: we finally got healthy, you know, ar coming back, and

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Speaker 6: then Luca goes down with the hamstring for us to

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Speaker 6: be you know, I think eleven games, twelve games, over

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Speaker 6: five hundred right now, top six seed in the West.

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Speaker 6: I think it's pretty damn good under the situation that

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Speaker 6: we've been in.

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Speaker 3: But we got to keep going.

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Speaker 1: Well. They're built actually for the regular season, because, as

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Speaker 1: we've stated, the regular seasons about offense, the postseasons about

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Speaker 1: defense and situational basketball. So they're a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a fools gold roster. I know I'm very negative Nelly

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Speaker 1: on the Lakers, but offensively, you can win a lot

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Speaker 1: of games in this league offensively, where the Knicks. Worry

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Speaker 1: you is Jalen Brunson, Karl Anthony Towns pick and roll

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Speaker 1: defense in the postseason. So I think the I mean

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Speaker 1: a great example is when they played Minnesota last year

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. A lot of people thought the Lakers

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Speaker 1: could steal that series. They were not competitive because Minnesota

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Speaker 1: has much greater athletic wings, much better rim protector. And

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Speaker 1: so in the end they went and played Minnesota. And

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Speaker 1: remember Jmack, when you play a team four, five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven times, you can hunt players. And that's the Lakers problem.

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Speaker 1: They have several guys defensively. Teams like Minnesota, O San

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Speaker 1: Antonio will hunt, Denver will hunt their defensive players.

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Speaker 7: So I get it.

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Speaker 8: The defense is a great defensive efficiency. Lakers currently twenty

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Speaker 8: third in the league. You know who twenty fourth is?

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Speaker 3: Colin Who?

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Speaker 7: The Denver Nuggets. Now, they've had a million injuries. I

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Speaker 7: get it.

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Speaker 8: But so the Lakers ten games together for Reeves, Luca

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Speaker 8: and Lebron, I know this is not popular.

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Speaker 1: Delder has an elite defensive player, Gordon Gordon, and he's

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Speaker 1: the world's best offensive player Jokiche, And they also have

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Speaker 1: Jokich and Jamal Murray have played together forever and won

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Speaker 1: a title together, so that the construct of that team.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to love Denver, but I have the

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Speaker 1: best offensive player in the world, and I absolutely have

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Speaker 1: an elite defensive guy in Gordon.

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Speaker 8: I mean, essentially the playoffs in the West. People don't

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Speaker 8: want to hear this. It's gonna come down to health.

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Speaker 7: Sga is hurt there. I don't know if you're reading

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Speaker 7: about this. There's really no.

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Speaker 8: Timetable yet for his return. They keep saying weeks. We'll

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Speaker 8: see what happens. Jokich has been hurt, Aaron Gordon's hurt,

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Speaker 8: The Clippers are banged up, Lakers, the only team to

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Speaker 8: watch is the Spurs. I think, I honestly think the

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Speaker 8: Lakers have a shot in the West. I know you

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Speaker 8: don't laugh, hahaha. If they're healthy, I'm not betting against

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Speaker 8: Luca Lebron. Last year in the playoffs, you forget, Austin

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Speaker 8: Reeves was not even close to one hundred percent. Clearly defensively,

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Speaker 8: he was labored. I think they're gonna be a threat.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they come out of the West. I

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Speaker 8: got the Spurs, but don't sleep on those Lakers just yet.

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Speaker 7: Mister Cowherd.

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Speaker 3: All right, J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel Beck land Zerline. I talked about him yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Dad worked in the NFL. He works for NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: He's a sports radio host in Houston. He has his

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Speaker 1: draft preview stuff is so good. And we've had fun

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Speaker 1: this week talking about Mendoza and what I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do. And we got into this yesterday where I said,

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Speaker 1: as much as I love him, look at all name

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that go to a bottom four or five

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Speaker 1: franchise and flourish and it just doesn't happen much. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow briefly, CJ st Out briefly, and c J Stroud

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Speaker 1: and has a very good coach, And Joe Burrell has

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Speaker 1: a good enough coach in my opinion. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I worry about with Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: It's just I mean, it's.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Locke had some success initially and then they couldn't

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Speaker 1: protect him bad roster out of the league.

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Speaker 3: So it is the draft's going to be great. The

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Speaker 3: draft will be great for sure. Live in Chicago, it's

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Speaker 3: the hood.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 8: Cross State Rivals tip it off on Fox College Hoops Friday.

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Speaker 8: battle against Indiana Friday night, eight Eastern, only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's as much as everybody criticizes the NBA,

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Speaker 1: the NBA has a little bit of the UFC issue,

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Speaker 1: and it's UFC Hollywood. NBA are star driven vehicles. A

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Speaker 1: UFC when they had John Jones and Connor McGregor in

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Speaker 1: their prime, they had a pay per view business. And

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Speaker 1: Dana White's a smart guy. He's like, I've got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of good fighters. I don't have a Rondo Rolsi.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a John Jones. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: John Jones. To me, he's the best UFC fighter pound

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Speaker 1: for pound. Ever, I don't have a Connor McGregor, who's

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Speaker 1: wildly controversial. I've got just a bunch of good fighters. Well,

654
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Speaker 1: it's harder to get people behind a paywall for that, right,

655
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Speaker 1: I mean, even like a Howard Stern when he went

656
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Speaker 1: behind a paywall. You lose like twenty five percent of

657
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: your audience, right, you just lose them, and so you

658
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: really need stars. Well, same with Hollywood. People don't go

659
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: to a theater except for like Tom Cruise, so you

660
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: know they that's why they've done these remakes and the Avengers.

661
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: You can collaborate and put six semi stars together into

662
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: a movie and that gets people back to a theater.

663
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing with the NBA right now.

664
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Speaker 1: They've only been about seven eight players in my life

665
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: that were face of the league. Like Kareem was the

666
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Speaker 1: best player in the league for a decade, but he

667
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a face of the league because he was prickly

668
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and stoic. Wilt was too flaky to be faced of

669
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Speaker 1: the league. MJ was a face of the league, Burden Magic,

670
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Lebron. I don't know if Kobe ever was

671
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: shack and Kobe felt like it for about four or

672
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Speaker 1: five year period. The Lakers kind of felt like the

673
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: face of the league. But it's one of those things

674
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Speaker 1: where part of the NBA's issue is that, like they

675
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Speaker 1: that's why Cooper Flag is so important that he feels

676
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: like there's something there, But.

677
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Speaker 3: What is face of the league. Mean for the NBA.

678
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Speaker 1: I always say this about politics people complain about I mean,

679
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: before Bill Clinton, the Democrats were lost and then they

680
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: found their rising ascending star and then they weren't lost overnight.

681
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: And the Democrats felt kind of lost pre Obama and

682
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: then they found their guy and then they weren't lost.

683
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: And same with the Conservative in Trump. Oh they're swimming.

684
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Trump loses there in chaos. Al he's running again and

685
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: suddenly they control the Supreme Court and the White House.

686
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: It sometimes it falls into your lap generally, NBA Face

687
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: of the League. It's just unique, like Magic, the smile Lakers,

688
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: his style of play. Magic is a once in a

689
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Laker story. I mean a lot of the Lakers' best

690
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: players haven't been as likable. You know, Shack incredibly likable,

691
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: so much fun. But he started with Orlando, they had

692
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: to trade for him. And a lot of great players

693
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard don't have the personality, ant doesn't want to

694
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Speaker 1: be it. Jason Tatum's great doesn't have an aura. It's

695
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: very rare when you can get a Curry or a

696
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: lebron Or like Michael Jordan was just naturally cool. The earrings,

697
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: the suits, the look, the smile, the game. Some of

698
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it's just it all adds. That's when for years people

699
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: were saying, Oh, Jason Tatum's the face of the league.

700
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, stop it.

701
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: He's not cool.

702
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: He's a nice guy, eyes, he's kind of quiet. Sometimes

703
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: he disappears on the floor and Jalen Brown's taking.

704
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: All the shots.

705
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: And I like Jalen Brown, but Jalen's not dominant enough

706
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: to be a face of the league. His Wemby potentially

707
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: a face of the league could be. Got a little attitude,

708
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: got a dominant game. But like so many, everybody's complaining

709
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: about the NBA and the style of play. The bottom

710
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: line is, if if the next Michael Jordan walked into

711
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: this league, it would solve a lot of problems. The

712
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: baseball is team driven. The NFL isn't anything driven, maybe

713
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: gambling like NBA, UFC, Hollywood are star driven vehicles. And

714
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: you have c Dana watch the smart guys like I'm

715
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: going to move out of that pay per view thing.

716
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Pretty good timing, right, because he knows think of how

717
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: well run the UFC has been. How many Connor McGregor's

718
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: have they had one? Yeah, I mean it's hard. They're

719
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: just not that many people that walk into music. I remember,

720
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: for years and years and years and years I watched

721
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: American I mean that thing was on forever, and it's like,

722
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: there's just there's not that many people that are great

723
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: and have star power. Carrie Underwood, I mean, there's a

724
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: lot of people that had great voices. I was a

725
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Doctry fan, like I like more Rock. I loved him,

726
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: but that was kind of my voice. I wouldn't listen

727
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: to carry Underwood's talent. But how many people in the

728
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: history of the voice, in the history of American Idol

729
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: had the look, the sound, the voice, the charisma, the

730
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: swagger that small and there were tens of thousands of

731
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: people in America that tried to get on a thousand

732
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: people who were super talented, and it creates two or.

733
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Speaker 3: Three stars and a lot of them don't last long.

734
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Speaker 1: So it's just a lot of Whenever I see a

735
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: political party saying we don't have but this, we don't

736
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: have it, you find your Obama, you find your Connor McGregor,

737
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: you find your Michael Jordan, and it.

738
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Speaker 3: Solves all these issues.

739
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: It solves them over if Michael was so cool and

740
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: so unique and he had the game and the smile

741
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: and the look and the attitude.

742
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: He just solved all their problems. I mean, don't kid yourself.

743
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: When Michael walked into the NBA, it was a domestic league.

744
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: It was Magic and Bird, but they had I mean

745
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: they people were tackling everybody. It was a lot of

746
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: owners were unhappy with the league, and you couldn't sell Berchandie.

747
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: Then suddenly Michael walks in.

748
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: It's gatorade, it's you know, it's the Nike shoes. Suddenly

749
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Speaker 1: all the problems of the NBA. When Michael came to

750
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: the Bulls, they were remember that documentary and they were

751
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: called like the cocaine cowboys or so.

752
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: Michael wouldn't know.

753
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: He walked into rooms, guys were doing blow and all

754
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: that stuff, and Michael solved all the problems. NBA had

755
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: problems during Michael Jordan's run, he just we just you

756
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: overlooked them.

757
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, he solved them off the court. On the court,

758
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 8: he couldn't win for the first six years, couldn't do

759
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 8: anything in the.

760
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: Playoffs, and Clark w NBA was irrelevant. One player from

761
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Speaker 1: Iowa shows up, Yeah, and it's all of a sudden

762
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: suddenly we're flying private.

763
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Speaker 8: But don't you think Colin that this is a cyclical

764
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 8: thing in the NBA. Every fifteen years you reboot the stars,

765
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 8: they move out.

766
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Speaker 7: We just saw this with the NFL.

767
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 8: Remember the concern, Oh my gosh, Brady and Manning are retiring.

768
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 7: What's the league going to do? These guys are battling

769
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 7: it for the NFL.

770
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: Baseball is team driven.

771
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Yes, the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, Braves are good.

772
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 8: The sport's good, ye, because a pitcher only pitches every

773
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 8: five days.

774
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

775
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: And the NFL isn't really driven by anything kind of

776
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: TV driven. If it's on TV, we watch and we

777
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: gamble like. But there are like I would say, I

778
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: would say college basketball can be brand It can be Kentucky, Sankansas,

779
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: Yukon Duke, Arizona. You know you want your five or

780
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: six Blue Blavilla and Nova you like, you like your

781
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: blue Blood's playing in March Madness. The ratings go up.

782
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Michigan's going to be a big hit this year with Arizona.

783
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 7: You're gonna you know, Michigan doesn't have a star. They've

784
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 7: got a team that's awesome and they look great. They're

785
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Speaker 7: the star.

786
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 8: I think the NBA's find is a lot of this

787
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 8: consternation comes from just social media where people are engagement

788
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 8: farming left and right, bashing the NBA and and oh

789
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 8: my gosh, they're in trouble. Like it's just massively overblown. Colin,

790
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 8: you know that stars are created.

791
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 7: We didn't. Anthony Edward when he was coming out, remember out.

792
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: A joint play.

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00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: First he played at Georgia. Nobody watches Georgia basketball. He

794
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: said he liked football more than basketball. He had to

795
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: look in the game, but he didn't want to be

796
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: the guy. And so again, by the way, I'm told

797
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: here the Bulls were called the Traveling Cocaine Circus.

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00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: There you go.

799
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: Mil Jordan the documentary laughs. He didn't know that.

800
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Speaker 1: But I would say is it's it's very difficult. Even

801
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: if you're as good as Dana White at finding stars, well,

802
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: then you have to develop them, and then you have

803
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: to cross your fingers that they are worked ethic obsessed,

804
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: and then that the audience buys them. It's really really

805
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: When I was in Vegas out of college and you

806
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: had Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns and Hagler, I mean,

807
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: boxing had about a fifteen year window where there were like.

808
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: Stars every what do they got?

809
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 7: Now?

810
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 8: They got like YouTubers who are trying to be boxers

811
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 8: because they have big followings online. Like that's where box

812
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: This stuff is cyclical. I think the NBA is going

813
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 8: to be just fun. Cooper Flag has star quality.

814
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: The NBA talent is through the room.

815
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to hit on a star and it's a

816
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of it's luck.

817
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: I mean you need Mike.

818
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph had the game, the attitude, the talent,

819
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: the skill, the uniqueness.

820
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 8: But he wasn't a star until like year what five

821
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 8: or six? Like this stuff takes time. I mean Jordan

822
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 8: came in at like twenty one years old because he

823
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 8: was at UNC for three years, so it took him

824
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 8: a couple so by like twenty five he was an

825
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 8: NBA star.

826
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Speaker 7: Right, Well, it's going to take Cooper Flag a few years.

827
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Speaker 1: And Michael could not win a playoff series pre Pippin,

828
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Speaker 1: so he had he had his time. He could sell shoes,

829
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: but he but in sell gatorade. But I think a

830
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: lot of it is we can blame Adam Silver. Maybe

831
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: this is my broader point. We can blame Adam Silver.

832
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: But David Stern, who was a marketer, a legal counsel,

833
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: a shrewd guy. He got lucky with Magic and Bird.

834
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: They ended up going to the Lakers, the Celtics, the

835
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Speaker 1: two iconic franchises.

836
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's to be a star in music,

837
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: in movies.

838
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 7: Wait with Patrick Ewing a star in New York.

839
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: I guess Pat.

840
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: Ryan felt like he felt like the star. The suits,

841
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: the attitude, the look, the swagger, the hair. Hour three

842
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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, coming on