Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys on
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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the
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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well,
Speaker 1: it's a special day for the Draft Show. Instead of
Speaker 1: our normal Thursday time slot, we bring this tea on
Speaker 1: a Friday. We thank you guys for hanging out with
Speaker 1: us and making the switch. Our department went out and
Speaker 1: spent the owner's money a little bit the last three days.
Speaker 1: You have a way with words, do I. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: You're right. We were. We were in Los Angeles having
Speaker 1: a good time, and we want to thank the Jones
Speaker 1: family for allot us. Thank you very much. Yes, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for that. And uh yeah, so we
Speaker 1: are we have the Draft Show again here on a Friday.
Speaker 1: We actually are leaving for the Combine on Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: we will be at the Combine from Tuesday through Saturday.
Speaker 1: With all the actions. We're gonna have shows for you Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. So looking forward to that. As always,
Speaker 1: we have I think outstanding combine coverage. You know, we
Speaker 1: get to bump into people, talk to people, you know,
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things to kind of find
Speaker 1: out an ideas about what these but these scouts, general managers,
Speaker 1: front office people all thinking about these players, coaches as well.
Speaker 1: So with all the void people, I mean, it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the combines because it's probably you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred NFL people, you know, say fifty from each organization,
Speaker 1: from coaches, the gems, the scouts, to all the personnel people,
Speaker 1: and so you can't help it bump into people and
Speaker 1: you know, learn more about these guys. I always learn
Speaker 1: more at the combine than I do any other week
Speaker 1: of the year about players, just things you didn't know
Speaker 1: or you know, the testing times obviously, the medicals, the interviews.
Speaker 1: So big week coming up next week. That's the voice
Speaker 1: of my scout, Dane Brugler joining us today as always.
Speaker 1: David Hellman across the table from us. He'll get involved
Speaker 1: with this as we get going along. Kent Garrison, executive producing,
Speaker 1: and you brought up there. He is the Garrison and
Speaker 1: the Garrison, Dan, you brought up the combine and again
Speaker 1: the first part of the segment I want to do
Speaker 1: is I want to talk about the combine a little
Speaker 1: bit and some things, you know, teams, guys, somebody's you know,
Speaker 1: who needs a big week, who can't afford a bad week,
Speaker 1: who needs to interview will I. I just want to
Speaker 1: kind of get in some ideas about that with you
Speaker 1: and with David and being there and also in the
Speaker 1: second half of this show though we're gonna well, we
Speaker 1: have Twitter on the twenty like we always do. Maybe
Speaker 1: take a call or two at eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven, but also at the
Speaker 1: end or towards the end, I want to do who'd Who'd?
Speaker 1: Who would you fight for? It's my one of my ideas.
Speaker 1: I like to have an actually always trying to create contact. Yeah, Katie,
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, who will join us? And you know he'll
Speaker 1: He'll hang out with us one of these Thursdays on
Speaker 1: a draft show and then be a part of our
Speaker 1: draft coverag John Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I one h
Speaker 1: five three the fan Kevin Turner, great guy, really works
Speaker 1: hard at this. But he and I were having an ID.
Speaker 1: I said, what would you like to hear? I'd like
Speaker 1: to us hear a segment or two about who would
Speaker 1: you fight for? So we're gonna go around the room
Speaker 1: and fight for some guys and why we would fight
Speaker 1: standing on the table, standing on the table, that's standing
Speaker 1: on the table. That's what we're gonna do. So you know,
Speaker 1: look forward to that here at the end of the
Speaker 1: end of the broadcast as well. But I want to
Speaker 1: get into this combine Dane and David yep and David,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you start off with the cowboy angle
Speaker 1: of it because I want to I want you to
Speaker 1: talk to me about with what you see materializing with
Speaker 1: free agency and then but free agency it actually happens
Speaker 1: after the combine. So where where do you feel like again,
Speaker 1: I want, I want the cowboy angle. Well, it's the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but it's every team in the NFL. Is the combine
Speaker 1: is sort of where you start to see the blueprint
Speaker 1: for what these teams are going to do with their year,
Speaker 1: um without fail. You know, we saw we saw the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at the Senior Bowl and it was a week
Speaker 1: or ten days after the season ended, and you know, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't we haven't had those meetings. I mean, Scott
Speaker 1: Lenahan was still on the staff when the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: so you know, they haven't really had a whole ton
Speaker 1: of time to to get into it. But now that's
Speaker 1: not the case. You've had your meetings, you've reviewed your season,
Speaker 1: you've you know, for the most part, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's official, but they've basically finalized their coaching staff at
Speaker 1: this point. And this is fun because this is where
Speaker 1: you start to hear the whispers about where they're going
Speaker 1: to go or where they think they're gonna go. And
Speaker 1: that's that's not just obviously the Combine is a draft
Speaker 1: of him, but that's not just the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: um I remember, I guess it was two years ago
Speaker 1: at this point. The Combine was where we first started
Speaker 1: to hear the whispers of well, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath played really well. We're gonna give him a
Speaker 1: chance to start, Like we feel comfortable with that. Sure,
Speaker 1: we're going to elevate, you know, we we're gonna roll
Speaker 1: with that and see what we got orm Lyle Collins Like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he is better suited to play tackle
Speaker 1: and that's something that we're gonna, you know, explore as
Speaker 1: the offseason program gets underway. So like I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: you've had five weeks to kind of talk about what
Speaker 1: you like and what you don't like about your team
Speaker 1: and where you're gonna go. And this is really the
Speaker 1: media's like you said, you can't avoid people in Indianapoli
Speaker 1: is Yeah, this is really our first opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to the brain trust since they've had all of these conversations,
Speaker 1: and it just you know, there's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: press release, but these details just kind of start to emerge, like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is what they're thinking. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they are going to go after so and so
Speaker 1: in free agency. Maybe you know, maybe this position is
Speaker 1: something we're not paying enough attention to. It Just it
Speaker 1: starts here and that, like I said, that's for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but it's for every team in the league exactly. And
Speaker 1: the combine is where a lot of these negotiations start.
Speaker 1: And it's funny talk as well, just you know, over
Speaker 1: the years talking about agents or yeah exactly, agents or
Speaker 1: people personnel, people with teams. A lot of times they
Speaker 1: talk when just you know, how the process of signing
Speaker 1: a player or decisions are made, a lot of times
Speaker 1: it starts at the combine. That's when they started negotiating contracts.
Speaker 1: That's when it started laying the groundwork for a trade.
Speaker 1: And so Combine is a big step in the process
Speaker 1: of not only the draft, but the offseason. And that's
Speaker 1: from a Cowboys perspective too. This again, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get these things on the record, but this is where
Speaker 1: you start to hear like, well, of course we'd love
Speaker 1: to have Cole Beasley back, but not at that price. Sure,
Speaker 1: Or of course we're going to get an extension done
Speaker 1: with DeMarcus Lawrence, but we're not close right now, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm making these up. You're too much into that.
Speaker 1: But these are the types of conversations that get had
Speaker 1: when you're up there Dallas. Cowboys dot Com will like
Speaker 1: it will be there all week. We will get Steven
Speaker 1: Jones on Tuesday traditionally, Yeah, we generally get a Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett press conference on a Wednesday, and then Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: will wrap it all up on a Saturday. So, as
Speaker 1: David said, we'll have all those parties involved. Again, We'll
Speaker 1: be banging around the hallways too, talking to people that
Speaker 1: we know from other teams, trying to get a little
Speaker 1: bit insight. All right, Dane some guys that absolutely have
Speaker 1: to knock this thing out of the park. For you.
Speaker 1: You have some names and some guys. When we get
Speaker 1: to start to watch this, it's like, okay, if this
Speaker 1: guy is not as good and again, you know, these
Speaker 1: players have an opportunity to have pro days after work,
Speaker 1: so if things don't work out, well, but those guys
Speaker 1: that generally can build some momentum going into the into
Speaker 1: the workouts, the pro days, it comes from the combines.
Speaker 1: So you've got to get some guys in mind you're
Speaker 1: looking at in that direction. Well, and I've got a
Speaker 1: more full preview coming out on Monday, so look out
Speaker 1: for that. But to hit on some of the high notes,
Speaker 1: and really, I mean we know this, we talked about
Speaker 1: it before. The reason the combine was invented is the medicals, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and the forty yard dash is what will you receive
Speaker 1: the headlines the athletic testing, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: It's important, absolutely, yeah, but the medicals is the most
Speaker 1: important part of the process and probably the most important
Speaker 1: medical evaluation would be Nick Bosa. Nick Bosa is the
Speaker 1: favorite to be the top pick. I think he should
Speaker 1: be the top pick, but he missed almost all of
Speaker 1: his junior season with after having bilateral adominable surgery. So
Speaker 1: what's going on with that injury. He's been healthy sense December,
Speaker 1: he's been working out, he's expected to do a full
Speaker 1: uh you know, all the drills. So but once doctors
Speaker 1: go in, you know how thorough they are, do they
Speaker 1: find anything that they're worried about? Anything long term? Anything
Speaker 1: durability wise, if there's anything of a red flag, they're
Speaker 1: gonna you know, bring that up, and that could change
Speaker 1: things at the top of the draft. And that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna have a ripple effect. Remember this last year with Hearst,
Speaker 1: the defensive tacklestioned out about the Yeah, we were, we
Speaker 1: were getting ready to start our day and next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, the whispers started happening while we're sitting there.
Speaker 1: Single year. Yeah, so yeah, we we don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: is an end. These doctors they all look at these
Speaker 1: players differently too. Some will say, oh, no, this injury
Speaker 1: is fine, we can deal with it. Some will look
Speaker 1: at it and say, no, no, we we absolutely you can't.
Speaker 1: And and that's how we kind of got a little
Speaker 1: bit with with with Jalen Smith. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean there were there were doctors that were lining up saying, no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch the player. And but you had some
Speaker 1: other teams and you know, doctor Cooper did the surgery
Speaker 1: here for the Cowboys, and you know, and and that
Speaker 1: worked out very very well for the Cowboys and it
Speaker 1: worked out very well for Jalen Smith as well. Uh, okay,
Speaker 1: we got the medicals interviews. Is there anybody interviewing wise
Speaker 1: that you guys are thinking about that man, this guy's
Speaker 1: got to this guy's got to tell his story, the
Speaker 1: guy's got to kind of come clean this guy, you know, who?
Speaker 1: Is there somebody that we're worried about that that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the red flags? That's another thing you worry
Speaker 1: about with these players. Is there a red flag or
Speaker 1: two about some players that are going to get interview
Speaker 1: that might pop up and like, whoa, that interview didn't
Speaker 1: go very well? And we always hear that about the quarterbacks. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know, well, and that's yeah, it's quarterbacks an intangible position,
Speaker 1: so you better nail the interview. And that's the interviews
Speaker 1: really where like a guy like Daniel Jones has a
Speaker 1: chance to duke right because you know, he his team's good,
Speaker 1: not great, right, Senior Bowl is good, not great, right,
Speaker 1: but the interviews is a chance where he can really
Speaker 1: show off that cerebral mind that he has, you know,
Speaker 1: the ability to break down coverages and understand what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we look at them. Now, we got Dane's top
Speaker 1: ten players by position. That's this quarterback list right there.
Speaker 1: So that's how he's going with it. And right now combine, yeah,
Speaker 1: pre combine and we'll see. All right, as we look
Speaker 1: at that list, though, who are those guys who who
Speaker 1: will interview the best out of that group right there?
Speaker 1: I mean the workouts, who if you were a general
Speaker 1: manager of a team, who would you want to sit
Speaker 1: down and talk to off that list right there and
Speaker 1: really hammer them on some questions. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like we've beaten him into the ground, But it's got
Speaker 1: to be Kyler Murray, right, absolutely, especially you know the
Speaker 1: great debate about what sport he's supposed to play. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to spend a high pick on that guy,
Speaker 1: I want to feel pretty convinced that he's really dedicated
Speaker 1: to football and he's not gonna bail to play center
Speaker 1: field in two years. It's gonna be a big week
Speaker 1: for Kyler, no question. M. First, the measurements, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see exactly how big he is. Uh, does he
Speaker 1: get close to two hundred pounds over two hundred pounds?
Speaker 1: You know, is he close to closer to one ninety?
Speaker 1: And then M. Yeah, the interview process is going to
Speaker 1: be paramount. M. Just they're gonna hit him on okay,
Speaker 1: so you know, we know you love baseball more and
Speaker 1: just you know, hit on that, hit on that, and
Speaker 1: just see how he reacts and just make teams want
Speaker 1: to be convinced. They want Kyler to convince them that
Speaker 1: he is all in and you know, not going to
Speaker 1: have to worry about anything long term about Okay, when
Speaker 1: things are get a little tough in football, he's just gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, go to baseball. But the other quarterback, Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: you know, because you look at that quarterback list and
Speaker 1: it's the juniors that came out early, Stidham, Jones, the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Kid, they all had Jackson, They were all the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, so teams had a chance to talk with
Speaker 1: them already. Dwayne Haskins and Kyler Murray the only junior
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that they have not talked talked to yet. So Haskins, okay,
Speaker 1: just trying to delve into his mind. Where is he
Speaker 1: mentally in his development? Only fourteen career starts, one year starter,
Speaker 1: you know, just what's going on with him in traditional play?
Speaker 1: Very well? The one year starter. No, it's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a reason you want. I mean, there's no substitute
Speaker 1: for experience. Over the last since nineteen seventy three, there
Speaker 1: have been a one hundred quarterbacks drafted. Three out of
Speaker 1: the hundred had fifteen starts or fewer at the college level,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez, Mitchell Trubisky. So you know, Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins will be the fourth and you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how it plays out for him. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about him. I'm a big fan of Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, there's still some questions I
Speaker 1: have with him. Some of the guys that the interviews
Speaker 1: will be pretty important for Jeti Polite from Florida. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is a player who hasn't been arrested. He you know,
Speaker 1: his teammates say positive things about him. I've heard scouts
Speaker 1: and other people around the league say some negative stuff
Speaker 1: about just his maturity, how he carries himself, interviews will
Speaker 1: be really important for him because I think he's a
Speaker 1: potential top ten, top twelve pick as long as everything
Speaker 1: checks out with him. Some of the other guys that
Speaker 1: have been in trouble in the past, like H. L. J.
Speaker 1: Collier from TCU, some maturity issues there. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's a potential second rounder. So just maturity issues there.
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery from Notre Dame. It's another name that you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm liking all these guys you're naming him like, Jerry
Speaker 1: Tillery is a first round talent. Yeah, there will. He
Speaker 1: will be off some boards because teams don't trust him,
Speaker 1: and it's just you know, Kenny convinced a team that
Speaker 1: he's all in on football, he can trust him, and
Speaker 1: the combined interviews will be a big part of that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty of names to go over here,
Speaker 1: but the interview is definitely a big So some background.
Speaker 1: There's formal interviews, an informal interviews, right, every team gets
Speaker 1: sixty formal interviews. Those are about fifteen minutes each, right.
Speaker 1: Then the informal interviews. That's kind of the train station,
Speaker 1: you know where you get coaches. Yeah, right, So it
Speaker 1: used to be chaos back in the day. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it still is. I'm surprised they haven't streamlined it more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the informal or the formal is you get
Speaker 1: sixty fifteen minute interviews and that's where you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes you have to get a lot across to try
Speaker 1: time exactly, so there's no hey, how you're doing. You know,
Speaker 1: what's up? Sit down, let's get started on this. So
Speaker 1: you know you got busted for pop huh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like that's yeah exactly, and you know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be GMS head coaches in the room, psychologists in the room.
Speaker 1: So it's an intimidating environment for these kids. Um, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a busy week, and so the interviews definitely
Speaker 1: a time where some of these players could make or
Speaker 1: lose some money, which going back to Combine week. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we talked about this in mobile
Speaker 1: is like I really don't care who the Cowboys met
Speaker 1: with in Mobile, right, I couldn't care less because they're
Speaker 1: just that's part of it, yeah, or the process. But
Speaker 1: we will start to hear about some guys getting formal
Speaker 1: interviews with the Cowboys. That is important. That is important
Speaker 1: if you. You know again, it's fine, like you remember
Speaker 1: these things in years, Like I don't remember specific details
Speaker 1: of any one combine, but I just remember like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Like in twenty sixteen, that's when we realize that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had a formal interview with every quarterback that was there,
Speaker 1: including Dak Prescott. That was the first time Dak ever
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys things like that, And so that
Speaker 1: is important because you can kind of start to narrow
Speaker 1: a list of you know, like, oh my god, the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Maybe figure out that thirtys the Cowboys have a formal
Speaker 1: with every tight end that this thing, or the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a formal with like nine D tackles, like those
Speaker 1: things start to come out, and those are very helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is We're going to see most teams load up
Speaker 1: one underclassmen because you know, they've done a lot of
Speaker 1: the work on the seniors, but it's the underclassman, especially
Speaker 1: on your classman you didn't expect to come out. So
Speaker 1: I think we'll see a lot of heavy underclassmen with
Speaker 1: those lists. Um, but yeah, it is definitely important to
Speaker 1: kind of get an idea of just not only the players,
Speaker 1: but the positions are looking at who you who are
Speaker 1: you most excited about seeing? It's and that's kind of
Speaker 1: a broad question, and I hate it because it's but
Speaker 1: is there one or two players that you're just really
Speaker 1: looking forward to to our workout too? Like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe kids from you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: kids from a small school or something like that. You
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about him and you want to
Speaker 1: see how he competes with somebody else. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not from a small school. But Rashawn and Gary, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know this is a tackle in I've heard of
Speaker 1: that place. Yea. So this is a player that obviously
Speaker 1: is supremely talented, no question about it. Yeah, but no
Speaker 1: question about that. The production wasn't there, The consistency wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and all along when you talk about Rashaun Gary and
Speaker 1: his draft grade, it's centered around traits, not production and
Speaker 1: so and that's what NFL, that's what they draft. They
Speaker 1: draft traits, they don't draft production. So, but he has
Speaker 1: to nail it during the combine to show that he
Speaker 1: does have the traits. And so I think he's capable
Speaker 1: at two hundred and eighty pounds, I think he can
Speaker 1: run in the four sixes. I think he can get
Speaker 1: under six nine in the three cone drill. Those would
Speaker 1: be elite numbers absolutely a player that size. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: Rashaan Gary, I'm looking for him to absolutely knock it
Speaker 1: out of the park. And if he does, then he,
Speaker 1: you know, cements himself as a potential top ten guy.
Speaker 1: Similar line of thought, I'm interested to see how ed
Speaker 1: Oliver does it this thing. I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: ed Oliver too, He's gonna blow it away to both
Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna be ridiculous. So it's the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman going to be the one group when we
Speaker 1: walk away from this more my gosh, you know, is
Speaker 1: that the one that's going to be the most impressive
Speaker 1: of the groups when we watch the workout? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're each position will have their freaks, you know.
Speaker 1: I think Rashan Gary, ed Oliver or two of the freaks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's a danes one skin. If you're falling along with
Speaker 1: us watching Kent. Garrison's in a nice job of getting
Speaker 1: Dan's top ten players by possess. That's his defensive line
Speaker 1: right there, right anybody want to talk about right there?
Speaker 1: You talked about Tiller, how about Dexter Lawrence though, that's
Speaker 1: kind of that He's gonna test off the charts as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's He's for a guy that's probably three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. Uh, he's gonna run around five seconds
Speaker 1: flat in the forty and the bench press, he'll probably
Speaker 1: you know, push for close to forty reps um. I
Speaker 1: think him and maybe a guy like Dalon Mack will
Speaker 1: be pushing for the highest reps on the bench press
Speaker 1: this year. So, you know, I think the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class is definitely going to be a deep group at
Speaker 1: the combine. You know, guys that we're talking about a
Speaker 1: lot because they're so physically gifted. U and Ed Oliver.
Speaker 1: When Ed Oliver's done with his workout, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about moving him to strong safety, yeah, because yeah, he
Speaker 1: can move that way. Yeah, So you know, why the
Speaker 1: heck not? Because he's just he's a he's a freak,
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's he's definitely gonna have some
Speaker 1: buzz as we leave Indie. You know, our buddy Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah who's on the NFL Network, former NFL scout, he's
Speaker 1: found out the same thing you said last week. The
Speaker 1: position that that doesn't have the great stretch or depth
Speaker 1: to it is linebacker. Yeah, and he was struggling with
Speaker 1: that the other day. You could tell he likes the
Speaker 1: kid from from West Virginia. Uh, he kind of Yeah,
Speaker 1: you and I weren't as high on him. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, we understand why you like him, because David
Speaker 1: Long is. Yeah, he's undersized, but he's athletic, he can move,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got aggressive hunting mentality. I was as
Speaker 1: surprised at the mistackles. Um I was too. I thought
Speaker 1: he looked better at I thought he looked better at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl than he did on tape. I agree,
Speaker 1: you know, And again Dane's talking about a guy. It's
Speaker 1: five eleven, two hundred and twenty four pounds right now. Again,
Speaker 1: all this will be official official, but he was a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy, So we'll have the really with the
Speaker 1: heights and weights will go off of from there. And
Speaker 1: the other position I think you need to talk about,
Speaker 1: just in terms of previewing the athletic part of combine
Speaker 1: is the wide receivers, specifically the big wide receiver. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna we were talking about freaks. I mean,
Speaker 1: two kids from old miss are gonna oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: well yeah what uh you see the new Kure top
Speaker 1: ten at wide receivers right there and see so okay,
Speaker 1: the big wide receivers, guys like the Nick Hill, Harry's,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Harmon's or Saga White Sides, they need good times
Speaker 1: in the forty uh. And then DK metcalf as yoked
Speaker 1: as he is, what is he gonna do in say
Speaker 1: the three cone? Yeah, the short shuttle? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: look stiff exactly right? In robotic right exactly? Probably? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know he can run fasten a straight line. Sure,
Speaker 1: he'll probably be two hundred and thirty pounds and run
Speaker 1: a four four eight or something ridiculous. Yeah, but what
Speaker 1: is he going to do in you know the change
Speaker 1: of direction stuff? That's what I want to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's that's why I love the combine because you could
Speaker 1: kind of go into talk about all the things you
Speaker 1: want to see and then there's something happens. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just totally you know, and you don't want to
Speaker 1: really get influence, but you talk to people. This is
Speaker 1: where this is where the media scouts start to catch
Speaker 1: up with really what the scouts scouts are thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: this is your opportunity when you're walking down the hall
Speaker 1: and your visit and you're like, hey, man, I saw
Speaker 1: your work about this kid. You know you did a
Speaker 1: great job on him, or man or you got him
Speaker 1: too higher, you got him too low. So it's a
Speaker 1: good opportunity. You don't get influenced, but it makes you
Speaker 1: kind of go back and it gives you a little
Speaker 1: bit of pause. I mean, I had the great opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to you're a Rod Marinelli about looking at
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I mean he's he's he's ready to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, defensive tackle, defensive lineman. You know, he's he's
Speaker 1: trying to think. Okay, where's that you know, maybe that second, third,
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Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the show we do. It's
Speaker 1: called Twitter. On the Twitter, David Hellman, I really, I
Speaker 1: don't people send me tell me more questions every day,
Speaker 1: tell me more. It comes after the cops. I don't
Speaker 1: like to get into it because we do tell me
Speaker 1: more after the combine. And the goal is to find
Speaker 1: like really lesser known players. That's the goal. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna humor Joseph here because and we talked
Speaker 1: about this Brian. A tweet, a tweet that I saw
Speaker 1: from our friend Kevin Turner. He was imploring Florida's Chauncey
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson to fall to fifty eight where he can
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys future safety. Gotcha. I watched Chauncey. I
Speaker 1: liked him a lot, but I didn't see him play
Speaker 1: a snap of safety. He did seventeen, So I wanted
Speaker 1: and so Joseph wants to know more about Chauncey Gardner Johnson,
Speaker 1: and so do I because I liked him, but like,
Speaker 1: I didn't see whatever Kevin saw that made me just
Speaker 1: really fall in love with him. When I watched him
Speaker 1: over the summer, um, I wasn't too because he was
Speaker 1: recruited as a corner. And then they moved in the
Speaker 1: safety and when he got to Florida and I watched
Speaker 1: him over the summer, wasn't too impressed. I thought he
Speaker 1: was okay at safety. Then this year, under Todd Grantham's defense,
Speaker 1: they moved into star, which is they run a five dB. Look. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he plays basically a nickel position. They you know, two linebackers.
Speaker 1: He plays a star and I think he is the
Speaker 1: ideal modern day nickel defender in the NFL. That's what
Speaker 1: he did a Florida. I think that's what he did best,
Speaker 1: better than what he did at safety. UM, and I
Speaker 1: think that's exactly what he is. I mean, he's aggressive,
Speaker 1: he plays fast, and he trust what he sees. He
Speaker 1: can blitz. He can at the edge for a guy
Speaker 1: that's not that big. So I think that there's a
Speaker 1: lot to like with Gardner Johnson. The aggressive nature sometimes
Speaker 1: gets the best of him. Needs to be a little
Speaker 1: bit better finisher at time, But I see a guy
Speaker 1: that you can keep on the field all three downs,
Speaker 1: a guy that you know is your ideal nickel defender,
Speaker 1: which in a course today's NFL as a starter. This
Speaker 1: guy is plays all over the field, dance right at
Speaker 1: the star position. It's like he plays like a rover
Speaker 1: almost any any floats. So you'll see him line up
Speaker 1: in the slot and then you'll see him line up
Speaker 1: over kind of as a safety. But if you want
Speaker 1: to evaluate him as a safety, you got to go
Speaker 1: back and watch twenty seventeen tape. I think that's where
Speaker 1: Kat was basing a lot of his a lot of
Speaker 1: this stew But the thing that kind of bothered me
Speaker 1: about this cat, it's kind of a fifty fifty tackler.
Speaker 1: Yeah you brought that up. Yeah, and that and that,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I'm thinking about a guy that
Speaker 1: does a great job playing the slot covering. But again,
Speaker 1: are you gonna be if you're gonna be on the
Speaker 1: field a lot and you're in the secondary and need
Speaker 1: you to tackle a little bit better than I need
Speaker 1: you to be a little more consistent with that, I
Speaker 1: hear you, But I like I liked his willingness to
Speaker 1: do those things. No question about that RESSI and physically no,
Speaker 1: and then and like Dane said, that gets him in
Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble there. So but I tell you,
Speaker 1: the guy plays with some great range. He really really does.
Speaker 1: I would be very happy to have him on my team.
Speaker 1: But I just you wouldn't like him at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think i'd like him at
Speaker 1: fifty eight to play safety like I that's maybe you
Speaker 1: see that seventeen tape maybe sit down and watch that.
Speaker 1: Well that's because yeah, I think he's I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a safety. I think he's a nickel, yeah, which
Speaker 1: you know, is he technically a corner, then maybe you
Speaker 1: could say that. But is there a player like him
Speaker 1: in this league? I hate to just throw that out there,
Speaker 1: and here, I'm I'm supposed to know this league. You did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you did. I just sit through it out there.
Speaker 1: But but but he me, you know, there's a little
Speaker 1: time he honey Badgers a little bit. I mean not
Speaker 1: Honey Badger is more of a playmaker. And say, it's
Speaker 1: hard to compare anybody to a guy that gets, but
Speaker 1: he's kind of a fifty fifty tackler too. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the thing is you don't he trust him at free safety? Okay,
Speaker 1: he could blitch. I don't want to compare him to
Speaker 1: his college tape. But what about what Buddha Baker's been
Speaker 1: doing for Arizona? Right, which is part of why the
Speaker 1: Cardinals were comfortable letting Tyron Matthew go in the first place. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, basically, bottom line with a guy like
Speaker 1: this is you have to have a plan for him, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just understand his strengths and you know, just
Speaker 1: the difference in tape between last year and this year,
Speaker 1: how much better he was this year in this new role.
Speaker 1: Put it this way, he was too good of a player.
Speaker 1: They created a spot for him to play, if you
Speaker 1: think about it. Basically, yeah, because you know they're saying, listen,
Speaker 1: we've got too we feel like I got too good safeties.
Speaker 1: Just smart coordinators do Yeah. They They're like, let's get
Speaker 1: this guy on the field if he could cover and
Speaker 1: is aggressive and you know, tackles well enough. I like
Speaker 1: I like the player, Brian, Do you like the player?
Speaker 1: I like the player well. And he's a guy that
Speaker 1: he started a free safety as a freshman, Yeah, strong
Speaker 1: safety as a sophomore and then the star position. So
Speaker 1: he's played all over and I thought early his best
Speaker 1: work was this past year at the Stars. His time
Speaker 1: is a four or five four coming into this thing.
Speaker 1: He plays a hell of a lot faster. He'll run faster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll run much faster than that. Yeah. We pride ourselves
Speaker 1: on not just talking about the Cowboys. We won't. So
Speaker 1: I've got I've got one from Daniel who says, who
Speaker 1: else would the Jets look at at number three if
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Nick Bosa are gone? Is there a
Speaker 1: way to get a pass rusher at three? Or would
Speaker 1: they trade back or or what else would they draft
Speaker 1: if those two aren't there? See Mike mcagnan, my buddy
Speaker 1: going for he's like a big school guy right kind
Speaker 1: of his mo Yeah, you know, Mike, he came from that,
Speaker 1: the Charlie Castroley program of well this, I mean he
Speaker 1: did draft our Shepherd kid last year, a defensive tackle, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not not not a overall though. If Allen and
Speaker 1: Bosa are both gone, just make it easy on yourself
Speaker 1: and draft Quinnin Williams. That's all. They might not fit
Speaker 1: their schemes. One thing I do want to mention before
Speaker 1: we dive too much into the Jets and what they
Speaker 1: would do is I don't think Josh Allen is this
Speaker 1: law top two, top three pick that everyone wants to
Speaker 1: make him. This is yeah, like go into like tell
Speaker 1: me why not? Well, I mean Nick Bosa, there's a
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa then a Josh Allen. There's a big gap
Speaker 1: between these two as pass rushers. Yeah, and there's And
Speaker 1: I like Josh Allen. I just think he's being pushed
Speaker 1: up just because this draft doesn't have ten true top
Speaker 1: ten picks, and most drafts don't, but you know, we
Speaker 1: have to feel someone has to go three, four or
Speaker 1: five six R and Josh Allen's just one of the
Speaker 1: few players that understandably is getting pushed up in that mix. So,
Speaker 1: and he plays a premium position obviously at pass rushers.
Speaker 1: So as much as I like Josh Allen, I just
Speaker 1: it would scare the heck out of me taking him
Speaker 1: at two and just feeling great about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a lock to go that high,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll see. I think he'll test well.
Speaker 1: He had great production. Not to like about him, still, um,
Speaker 1: you know, watch the Georgia tape. You know, watch there's
Speaker 1: different times during this year where it kind of made
Speaker 1: you worry about his next level transition. But with that said,
Speaker 1: I think if if don't say that for you know,
Speaker 1: those two guys are off the board, Bosa and Allan,
Speaker 1: and you're the Jets, you got to look hard at
Speaker 1: for Shan Gary at that point, who is again all
Speaker 1: the traits are there. I know he didn't match the hype.
Speaker 1: He was the top player come out of high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: fere years ago, Okay, Dane once again, kids got Dane's
Speaker 1: top ten defensive ends up on the board, round ones
Speaker 1: up there in terms of they look at that, look
Speaker 1: at all the ones goes all the way down to
Speaker 1: sweat and I'll tell you what, I'll fight you on
Speaker 1: polite and burns there. But I mean that's fine, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I know you you're up for a fight. You never
Speaker 1: nothing bother you at all. But yeah, so there's there's,
Speaker 1: like I say, the Allen stuff, I would me personally,
Speaker 1: I've got it Allen and Gary. But I mean, I man,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think Gary could play a couple
Speaker 1: different spots. I think he could play end. I think
Speaker 1: you can reduce him down and play inside. Let him
Speaker 1: play some defensive tackle too, if you had to. Y'all
Speaker 1: thought about that a couple weeks ago, Yeah, we sure did.
Speaker 1: We sure did. Yeah, on passing downs, let him play inside.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he is an edge rusher, a
Speaker 1: guy that with the power, the quickness, his length. I mean,
Speaker 1: you see it on film. It's just it's not as
Speaker 1: consistent as you'd like. And so I'm really eager to
Speaker 1: see where Shan gary next week because I think he'll
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a heck of a week.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, a guy that definitely has some buzz.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think another position that the Jets
Speaker 1: would be looking at. You know, they drafted their quarterback
Speaker 1: last year, Yeah, how about protecting them? I was I
Speaker 1: was just looking at their depth chart. Here. They've got
Speaker 1: some free agents up on their up on their offensive lines,
Speaker 1: and then they weren't very good to begin with. So
Speaker 1: I mean they exactly they need some upgrades on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. And I mean, if you're going to draft
Speaker 1: a guy like say Jonah Williams, who maybe is he
Speaker 1: worth a third overall pick? It's debatable, but if he's
Speaker 1: the best, is it the best safe pick for Mike mbe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna stabilize your offensive line, give your quarterback
Speaker 1: an extra half second to throw the ball. Absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: worth it. And so I don't care if you know, oh,
Speaker 1: they should have traded back to eight and got Jonah Wilton.
Speaker 1: If you don't have, if you have a chance to
Speaker 1: get who you think is the best offensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the draft, and you know another position like over Shaan
Speaker 1: Garry or whoever else doesn't blow you away, then you'd
Speaker 1: take the offensive lineman you feel good about making your
Speaker 1: team better, especially your quarterback. That is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite arguments at draft time is like, of course I'll
Speaker 1: take Joe and Williams at six, but not at three.
Speaker 1: Con But no, if it's the wind, if it's the
Speaker 1: wind pick, it's like, it's just like the Colts taken
Speaker 1: like Nelson. Yeah, I mean, it's just doesn't it shouldn't
Speaker 1: bother You go take the best players, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the position I mean. And by the way, it's similar.
Speaker 1: It's similar to Greg Williams new defensive line, a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Jets. Yeah, they've got some just
Speaker 1: again looking at it, they've got some serious questions about
Speaker 1: their defensive front. Yeah, it's Flint and Williams. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: could use Quinn and Williams right there. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you know you play a three to four front. Steve
Speaker 1: McClendon's up. You know Mary Anderson, who they got a
Speaker 1: trade of the Colts, He's up. They're probably running around
Speaker 1: a four three under Williams. Yeah, well they got it
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, well these are three eight William's fourth
Speaker 1: three guy. Yeah. How much longer is Sheldon Williams under contract?
Speaker 1: Leonard william Leonard? Yeah thinking Sean Richard. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: from Richards Lineman confused, he's I think he's okay, he's
Speaker 1: not like he was just what two thousand and two fifteen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's saved as Byron Jones. Yeah, there's probably another contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's probably that he's in that fifth year kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. But yeah, there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of places that they can go when they're picking
Speaker 1: in the top five there. Yeah, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: do you think they take a corner? I'm not taking
Speaker 1: a corner in this draft that earlier. I don't think
Speaker 1: a corner is worth that high. But we'll see what
Speaker 1: Mike does. I mean, would you draft a corner that early? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: no not not not in this draft. That would And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Well, all right, option number one from
Speaker 1: Mike is and I love I love I love the
Speaker 1: kid from Washington Murphy. Yeah, yeah, I love him. Not
Speaker 1: at three, but not at three. There there's your Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: talk about talk about a guy that's big for the combine? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he five ten? Is he gonna run four or five?
Speaker 1: Like he's love the tape, but he's not going to
Speaker 1: have a lot of the size and speed measurements that
Speaker 1: teams look for, especially when we talk about a top
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen guy. Yeah, kick Garrison, show you some
Speaker 1: highlights of Byron Murphy making some plays against Auburn. He's
Speaker 1: a baller, He's a baller. He's awesome. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite guys. All Right, I love Would you fight
Speaker 1: for him? Would I fight for him? Save it? Save
Speaker 1: it for the next segment, you know, fighting for guy.
Speaker 1: I love this, Like you know, fans, fans know what
Speaker 1: their teams need, and so like during the Philadelphia they
Speaker 1: they know we need players, they know we need players.
Speaker 1: You just but I love you know, fans go from
Speaker 1: guy to guy, you know, and so the news this.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, so real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1: Are you finding on Twitter that fans are asking you
Speaker 1: about positions or players? Because for the Cowboys, people are
Speaker 1: asking me more about positions. See that player. My argument,
Speaker 1: my counter to that would be fans know the positions
Speaker 1: of need and then they start asking you about players
Speaker 1: of those positions. In my experience, I think I get
Speaker 1: more player questions. I think there's a lot of smart
Speaker 1: fans you know who the players are, and are intrigued
Speaker 1: by some of these guys and h or they noticed him,
Speaker 1: you know, watching college football and they want to know
Speaker 1: how they project and that kind of thing. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get both. But to the to the point, Andy
Speaker 1: Isabella was definitely the slot receiver of January. The slot
Speaker 1: receiver of February is a guy by the name of
Speaker 1: Greg Dortch. And we watched him together, and Sam wants
Speaker 1: to know, all right, get a lot of pub on
Speaker 1: the street among Cowboys fans. Absolutely, somebody's talking about him
Speaker 1: all the time in our in our our Cowboys circles.
Speaker 1: Wake Forest Wide receiver, let me ask you, absolutely, go
Speaker 1: for it. David hellman, you saw the young man play. Uh,
Speaker 1: let me pull up, Brian brought us. Look, I got
Speaker 1: my notes right here. Yeah, you can always pull your
Speaker 1: notes up. I was not wowed by like anything he
Speaker 1: did physically. He's he's five eight one seventy four. It's true.
Speaker 1: He's Cole Beasley four four five four black, not white,
Speaker 1: but he's Cole Beasley in my opinion. Um uh he
Speaker 1: you know, he's he doesn't have this like a jaw
Speaker 1: dropping quickness or speed, but like he's just one of
Speaker 1: those guys who finds a way to be open a lot.
Speaker 1: And we talked about when we watched him, like he
Speaker 1: presents himself as a target very well, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know how to articulate it, but like he's always got
Speaker 1: his numbers back towards the quarterback. He always has like
Speaker 1: he's always presenting himself as an easy target for the
Speaker 1: quarterback to throw too. That's it's because he runs five
Speaker 1: yard rounds. I'm well, that's true. Although he was he
Speaker 1: went downfield more often than I thought that he would,
Speaker 1: just being five eight one seventy four. Not that he's
Speaker 1: this take the top off the defense right well, because
Speaker 1: he's not. And I was disappointed that he didn't have
Speaker 1: more big plays. He had eighty nine catches this year,
Speaker 1: only one went for forty yards or more. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was surprised he was. Not that he's a vertical or
Speaker 1: you know, and over the top ten but just make
Speaker 1: a miss and to this a lot of underneath stuff
Speaker 1: with him, well and well across the field stuff. Think
Speaker 1: about it, doesn't that explain why Cowboys fans are asking
Speaker 1: them about exactly what the guy who might leave does. Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's what that's his that's what he does. He
Speaker 1: runs those types of routes. I thought he was very
Speaker 1: willing to go over the middle. He got open down
Speaker 1: the seam a lot. His quarterback a little bit freaking
Speaker 1: sucked and can get out the ball a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a problem for sure. Um and he's got
Speaker 1: nice hands. I enjoyed watching him. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: think you're right, like this good scout report. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he's like this game changing receiver. It's best routes
Speaker 1: are those pivot routes right, the in and out pivot
Speaker 1: routes and stuff like that. That's again, that's where Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans are looking. They see Cole Beasley running the pivot
Speaker 1: routes and stuff like that. Yeah, so I absolutely think
Speaker 1: he could fit in this offense and do a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff that Cole Beasley does. Okay him or
Speaker 1: penny Hart penny Hart easy? Easy, not even close for me?
Speaker 1: Which I think I think I said I would draft
Speaker 1: I would draft this guy Dorch like in the fifth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that, that's where he is. Yeah, you're not wrong
Speaker 1: about that, penny Hart. You take him in a third.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys like they're like a third. Yeah, I'd take
Speaker 1: him on a third. They're gonna track they would, Dray
Speaker 1: you think they would draft a slot receiver in the
Speaker 1: third round? Maybe they have to sit at the end
Speaker 1: of the end of every round it as would say,
Speaker 1: yeah that, I mean you have to figure the third
Speaker 1: round pick is what like ninety yeah around there, So
Speaker 1: ninety one or something I think is what I think
Speaker 1: it's out the other day? Do it? Slot receivers basically
Speaker 1: a starter, not basically not basically like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: in terms of percentage of snaps played, Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna impact your team. So who is your best slot
Speaker 1: receiver in the draft? I the way penny Hart played
Speaker 1: in the senior bow. He really sold me. So your best,
Speaker 1: your best slot player would be in the third round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody's backing off Dandy Isabella. Now Isabella,
Speaker 1: I have a third round grud and Isabella, Okay, always did.
Speaker 1: I just thought if the Cowboys wanted is A Bello,
Speaker 1: I thought they probably had to take him the late second. Sure,
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get him. Ask this, Did you
Speaker 1: get Heart in the third round? Maybe not? I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I'm I have a third round graide on
Speaker 1: Heart too, So I mean that's why you draft Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel in the second and just forget this whole debate. Possibly, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's This is a pretty good wide receiver
Speaker 1: group if you need, if you need second or third
Speaker 1: round wide receiver, exactly right, exactly if you're looking for
Speaker 1: one of those first round receivers, maybe not so much. No,
Speaker 1: one more question there, David Hillman. One more question, all right,
Speaker 1: A fun hypothetical from Austin. Since we're talking about receivers.
Speaker 1: If you could pick any offensive player in this class
Speaker 1: and put them on the Cowboys, who would you choose
Speaker 1: and why? Like a good hypothetical. T j Hawkinson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the obvious one. Yeah, all right, I mean I
Speaker 1: like fant though too, he's good. Gimme Hawkinson. I like Steel.
Speaker 1: So you know, I saw a mock draft with Hawkinson
Speaker 1: going to Dallas, alright, going to the Raiders at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Didn't Dane say three weeks ago that he'd be the
Speaker 1: first skill player rafted or could be don't want to
Speaker 1: put work very easily be the first. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have a hard time imagining he's gonna fall to twenty
Speaker 1: seven if he's that good. Anybody you interested in Jacobs
Speaker 1: from Alabama? Oh? Yeah? Or I meant just so much
Speaker 1: singletary just I mean, I'm just talking about maybe that's
Speaker 1: that backup running back. I'm not like, if if under
Speaker 1: the exercise given to us of pick one guy to
Speaker 1: put on this office, I'm not going with a backup
Speaker 1: running back. How about rap the safety office? I'm sorry? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: if it's anybody, I'll take Bosa, right, Okay, Yeah, then
Speaker 1: you wouldn't probably resign that. What about a boring pick
Speaker 1: and say, uh, say Jonah Williams. I was gonna like,
Speaker 1: if it's not a tight end, then I think your
Speaker 1: next best option as an offensive tackle. Yeah, get whichever
Speaker 1: the best one is? Sure? How about Quinn and Williams?
Speaker 1: We didn't even mention him, he's an defensive player. You're
Speaker 1: not listening. No, I just oh, how about overall? Overall? Overall?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, overall, give me Bosa? Yeah, Bosa? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why the hell? Not player in the draft? And no,
Speaker 1: and you see a better player yet, I'll draft Bosa
Speaker 1: and resigned to Marcus Lawrence and I'll have Gregory Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Bosa and no quarterback fire. Have you seen a
Speaker 1: better player yet in Bosa? No? I haven't. Are you
Speaker 1: over commensating for your nope? Hate for us? Boss? He
Speaker 1: was in the top ten on my board. He was
Speaker 1: in the top ten. I just didn't you know what?
Speaker 1: The guy has been hurt a lot lately, hasn't he has?
Speaker 1: He been not playing very much? No, maybe I knew
Speaker 1: something there. That's a question, what did you? Maybe I
Speaker 1: knew something maybe maybe maybe maybe I fell into that.
Speaker 1: That goes back to our conversation earlier about Nick and
Speaker 1: how the injuries and durability. And I'll take I'll take Bosa,
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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kitt Garrison, Executive Producing. Excited to have everybody
Speaker 1: along again. If you're falling along or either on periscope
Speaker 1: or going to catch us later on, we do appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody around the world that also watches this show.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for staying up late with us or
Speaker 1: joined dinner with us right now. Uh again, I wanted
Speaker 1: this last few minutes that we have here to do
Speaker 1: a little spot called Who'd You Fight For? And so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off with David Hellman. David, I don't
Speaker 1: give me a guy that you would absolutely fight for
Speaker 1: in the draft room. I don't like this game because
Speaker 1: y'all are better scouts than I am. So but I
Speaker 1: don't care because I formulate my own opinions. I just
Speaker 1: think I still owe Jeff having all some money about
Speaker 1: card L Jones. So, uh, we've all got those albatrosses
Speaker 1: we wear around our neck. You hey, he's still in
Speaker 1: the league. I don't feel bad about um, you didn't
Speaker 1: like this guy? And and okay, whatever all he's trying
Speaker 1: to make me bring me into this No, I would
Speaker 1: fight for him. I don't want to make it sound
Speaker 1: like I'm play Austin Bryant, Austin Bryant from Clemson because
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm coming at this from a Cowboys perspective.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm thinking about the fact there's no first
Speaker 1: round pick here. If you told me I could get
Speaker 1: this guy at fifty eight, I'd be pretty pumped because
Speaker 1: I saw a guy and you know, I haven't watched
Speaker 1: every pass rusher in the league, but like he can bend,
Speaker 1: and he can bend. He can do some freaky pass
Speaker 1: rush stuff. I know he's not the most well rounded
Speaker 1: player in the world. He doesn't look that powerful up
Speaker 1: and down game. He's got traits though he does have
Speaker 1: some trade. He's got traits and sixty five he played
Speaker 1: at Clemson. He was not the star of something. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the caliber or some of the other
Speaker 1: guys on that defensive line. But again, he's got traits
Speaker 1: and if I could get him at fifty eight, I'd
Speaker 1: be pretty happy. He can play on both sides of
Speaker 1: the line. My note that I wrote is he fights
Speaker 1: off blocks like a mofo. That's true. I wrote the
Speaker 1: full word out. But like he's he's tenacious. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, he lacks power. He definitely got bullied by
Speaker 1: some of the better tackles he played. Jacob's got him too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. But he seems like he's got a
Speaker 1: high motor. He's always in pursuit. Uh. He and again
Speaker 1: he's got traits. He played at Clemson, he started games
Speaker 1: at Clemson. He's a talented guy. Again at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he falls that far day you
Speaker 1: could tell me that, but like I would draft him
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, I fall more towards this guy. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, hate me. It's fine. No, don't you know
Speaker 1: I would have said this before. That's the great thing
Speaker 1: about being in the draft room. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys tell me why I'm dumb. Go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a nice backup in the league. Um,
Speaker 1: I will just well, okay, but on the defensive line
Speaker 1: back up. It's another way of saying rotational player. Right,
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I had more negatives and positives, Like
Speaker 1: I like a lot of things that he did. It
Speaker 1: is just I don't know, I don't I didn't think
Speaker 1: there's any no how there, Like it was more based
Speaker 1: on like some of his production was born based on
Speaker 1: effort than like understanding of what he was doing. And
Speaker 1: that's that's not necessarily like the worst thing. Like I'll
Speaker 1: take a guy like that on my team. Sure, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would take him my fifty eight.
Speaker 1: But the guy like watching him against Notre Dame, that
Speaker 1: was probably his best tape. Yeah, absolutely, But the full
Speaker 1: body of work, I don't think it was as impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think he played with much burst. Um, he
Speaker 1: could bend a little bit, but I didn't see a
Speaker 1: lot of bursts. I didn't see a lot of power.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of the biggest problem I had.
Speaker 1: That was the thing I had the problem with him. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm glad that he brought that name
Speaker 1: up because that's a good name that we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about yet, and a name that kind of gets lost
Speaker 1: when we talked about the Clemson defensive linemen uh, because
Speaker 1: Farrell uh and the two interior guys get talked about more.
Speaker 1: So it's good that we talk about him because he's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred draft pick. He'll get drafted somewhere.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I see more of a
Speaker 1: backup than a guy that I'm gonna hang my hat
Speaker 1: on and say, yeah, he's definitely a starter. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's good at your foot name, good name,
Speaker 1: good name. Who do you got? Um, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with let's go with Devin's singletary. Um who obviously people
Speaker 1: know about him, he's a well known prospect, But I
Speaker 1: think he's better than what people give him credit for.
Speaker 1: Like I think he's lish On McCoy and that's putting
Speaker 1: a lot on him, I understand, But I just he
Speaker 1: has such a unique ability to break tackles. Um. Seventy
Speaker 1: percent of his yards this year, seventy percent came after
Speaker 1: initial contact. Um. He just he has a rare bit
Speaker 1: to uh make guys run right. Uh. And he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of carries on his on
Speaker 1: his tape, like you know, a lot of production, but
Speaker 1: a lot of that. You know, he's taking some hits.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm taking the chance in this guy
Speaker 1: in the top forty picks and feeling really good about
Speaker 1: what he can do for my offense. If there were
Speaker 1: people lining up against you in this draft, on against him,
Speaker 1: and we were in a room, yeah, I would be
Speaker 1: right with you. Good, I would go with you. Can
Speaker 1: he catch? Oh this guy? Yeah he wasn't. I mean
Speaker 1: he did some like you know, like Texas routes, ye
Speaker 1: angled routes, but like he wasn't really asked to do
Speaker 1: a lot of, um, you know, much besides screens. So
Speaker 1: but he caught what he was he'd fit right in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he caught what he was asked to or you know,
Speaker 1: when targeted. So you know, I feel okay about that
Speaker 1: pass pro. You know, that's that might be an issue.
Speaker 1: But when the balls in his hands, that's where he's
Speaker 1: going to be a creator and just make things happen.
Speaker 1: He's really a shifty runner two if you haven't seen him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, Florida, Atlantic five nine two o two. I
Speaker 1: mean he's he'll bounce off guys too. I mean he's
Speaker 1: just one of those guys Boom boom. He's just kind
Speaker 1: of hitting off guys and next you know, he's the
Speaker 1: balls going down the field. So I got a real
Speaker 1: low center of gravity. Broken tackles one and thirteen. The
Speaker 1: FBS guy could be really elusive. Twenty five more broken
Speaker 1: tackles than the second guy second on the list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you can see, there's Dane's top position top ten
Speaker 1: players by it with the running backs. Jacob Singletary, Right,
Speaker 1: I don't like that round projection though, Dane. We push
Speaker 1: it down, yeah, push it down around for who he's singletary. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to draft a running back at fifty eight. Well,
Speaker 1: he's the guy you're probably looking at. You're probably looking
Speaker 1: at that group of Harris, Montgomery and Henderson. That would
Speaker 1: be the group you're probably looking at. No way, what
Speaker 1: I'll take the A and M kid right now, let's
Speaker 1: the third round? Is gonna be a sweet stead. I
Speaker 1: think absolutely trey ViOn Williams can be on this team
Speaker 1: anytime he wants to right the guy I'm gonna fight
Speaker 1: for in the table. I don't know if Dan Dane
Speaker 1: might go with me on this one. Eldon Jenkins. I
Speaker 1: considered him so yeah, good Mississippi States Center. You guys
Speaker 1: are in cahoots before, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: The whole point is to fight and no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no, I'm trying to because he's probably
Speaker 1: got a center that you have a center that's better
Speaker 1: than him. Uh, Bradbury's better, right, Bradbury? Ye see, is
Speaker 1: Jenkins your top center? Jenkins would be one of my
Speaker 1: top center. Yea, so this is where this guy is better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bradbury's not as Bradbury's good, but this Jenkins kid from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. If you needed a center, this guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: he plays on his feet. He is never on the ground.
Speaker 1: He's got great upper body strength. He could sit down
Speaker 1: on his man. He could stay with his man in
Speaker 1: the running game too. That's something that's really when you
Speaker 1: watch them run the ball. I mean he's with this
Speaker 1: guy the whole time. He didn't fall off people. See,
Speaker 1: he could help across the pike's what's your grade on
Speaker 1: this guy? Oh? I have him in the I have
Speaker 1: in the second round. See. I want to fight y'all
Speaker 1: because y'all are the scouts. I get it, y'all are
Speaker 1: just trying to y'all are all about the players. I'm
Speaker 1: over here about the team, and I'll be damned if
Speaker 1: we're drafting a center in the second round. No, I'm
Speaker 1: telling if we were, we were just about player I know.
Speaker 1: Here's I know, but I'm I'm we're a full service
Speaker 1: garage here. I'm trying to find players for the team
Speaker 1: that I work for. Yeah. Part of the allure with
Speaker 1: Elgin Jenkins is the fact that he played four positions
Speaker 1: in college. Some teams are scouting him as a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so wow, this is a guy that that's impressive. Yeah. First,
Speaker 1: you know, same with you know, conversation with Dalton Reisener. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the position versatility is a huge selling point,
Speaker 1: and that might be the Garrett Bradbury to me is
Speaker 1: the clear best center in this draft, but he's pretty
Speaker 1: scheme specific in terms of, you know, a zone blocking
Speaker 1: scheme and you know, but with Jenkins, he's more of
Speaker 1: your power guy. He's gonna he can play tackle, he
Speaker 1: played guard. He didn't make any mistakes, and say, you
Speaker 1: don't see any problems with him, like mentally centers, you're
Speaker 1: kind of like you could tell when centers busts, make
Speaker 1: busts and he doesn't bust Dave, you got a guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a guy. Go ahead, Which we talked about
Speaker 1: this before the show. Granted, what how many guys have
Speaker 1: you watched? About one hundred and eighty and Dane's seen
Speaker 1: six hundred something like that. I've watched twenty five, so
Speaker 1: I'm trailing a little, okay, and by the other's Dane's
Speaker 1: top ten centers, so you can kind of see, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right there with Bradbrey, Jenkins, mcgo, McGovern, and McCoy.
Speaker 1: Team McCoy is not a bad player. By the way,
Speaker 1: there are five yeah centers. If you're a center, you
Speaker 1: might you might be Okay here, all right, go ahead, David,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'll tell you about a guy that I
Speaker 1: really liked justin lane. Ah it's terrible. Oh thank god, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, Yeah, I'm with you. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny because he's a really good player. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a six two, one hundred and ninety pound cornerback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's freaking he's pressed all the way. What round do
Speaker 1: you have him in? Man? Cornerback? I don't like to assign.
Speaker 1: I mean, looking at his tape. What how many games
Speaker 1: did we watch? Five? Five? Yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: had to, I can't imagine you're talking about your team.
Speaker 1: But here's the name. I can't. I can't have the
Speaker 1: second round guy. I cannot imagine he falls out of
Speaker 1: the second round of the draft on his tape plus
Speaker 1: his his build. It's just it's funny because better than Mullin,
Speaker 1: the guy from Clemson. I struggled with Mullen and but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead there, No, Well, it's fun okay.
Speaker 1: I brought this up a few shows ago. Who's Who's
Speaker 1: the Clemson kid that we talked about a lot a
Speaker 1: few years ago that went to uh Tankersley, Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: which surprised I remembered a name talked about him a lot.
Speaker 1: Didn't really fit what the Cowboys wanted to do, which
Speaker 1: this might not have fit. This guy might not have
Speaker 1: fit before. But I really think I can't imagine that,
Speaker 1: like Chris Richard has to love this guy or will
Speaker 1: love him when he watches him, absolutely, because I think
Speaker 1: you could just put him on an island like that
Speaker 1: like you love to do in this scheme and be
Speaker 1: like whether it's you know, he's he's much better man.
Speaker 1: He runs a lot better man. I'm sure he could
Speaker 1: do Zone two if you wanted him to just put
Speaker 1: him out there and like worry about the rest of it.
Speaker 1: It's a good name, and he's a former wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He was recruited as a wide receiver, so you know
Speaker 1: he has the ball skills justin lane. He's got that
Speaker 1: build that teams love these. Yeah. Six I mean maybe
Speaker 1: he won't be six two when he actually measures out,
Speaker 1: but he's tall close, Yeah, he's tall. He's a Cleveland
Speaker 1: kid who everyone thought he's going to Ohio State and
Speaker 1: he actually went to Michigan State. Could surprise a lot
Speaker 1: of people. So, yeah, he's a big time player. The
Speaker 1: thing that I like that again, you know in all
Speaker 1: the games I watched, like he didn't get fooled, turned around,
Speaker 1: lost one. Like he's he's very confident in coverage, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I would fight for that. And for a former wide receiver,
Speaker 1: he's pretty tough as a tackler. Yeah, he's not a
Speaker 1: he's not a soft guy by any means. Tall cornerback
Speaker 1: that used to play wide receiver, playing in Chris Rashard's scheme. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, thinking of a former Stanford guy, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: a little bit. And there's a couple of those guys.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson from Houston's another one of those guys in Straft. Um. So,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it combines me big for some of these
Speaker 1: bigger corners, the Joe Wan Williams, the Trevion Mullins, justin
Speaker 1: lanes that run well. So, um, I will go with
Speaker 1: and I could. I could go with Jilanni to vuy
Speaker 1: my my linebacker from why why I've been talking to him?
Speaker 1: Give me another name, Jonathan Abram from Missisippi State. And
Speaker 1: this is a specific type of safety. If you need
Speaker 1: a free safety, he's gonna play single high. It's probably
Speaker 1: not for you. But if you need a thumper, a
Speaker 1: tone setter, I would love to have Jonathan Abram my team.
Speaker 1: This guy is intense. He plays like it. He you know,
Speaker 1: moves like a speeding bullet all over the field. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play special teams for you and just eliminate dudes.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abraham is a player I would love to have
Speaker 1: on my team if I needed a strong safety, a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna be a thumper. Uh, and again a
Speaker 1: guy that could be a tone setter and you know,
Speaker 1: really be a leader of my defense. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with DeAndre Walker defensive end from George Good layer and
Speaker 1: I mean he would generally plays a stand up guy,
Speaker 1: but you can put this guy's hand on the ground.
Speaker 1: He might play linebacker in this league when it's all
Speaker 1: said and done. But he has a real knack for
Speaker 1: taking on blocks at the point of attack and they
Speaker 1: try and trap him. He's physical, he knows how to
Speaker 1: get rid of that. He could squeeze the hole. He
Speaker 1: didn't get washed out of plays and then the guy
Speaker 1: didn't I got guys that don't play on their feet.
Speaker 1: He didn't get knocked around at all. He's a finisher
Speaker 1: for the position. He's got some violence to his game.
Speaker 1: He's got that burst I like that could chase the ball.
Speaker 1: So keep an eye on DeAndre Walker. He's a defensive
Speaker 1: end linebacker from the University of Georgie. Where's number fifteen
Speaker 1: if you're scouting him, and you'll get see a pretty
Speaker 1: good player from there. That's a guy would I would
Speaker 1: definitely fight for if with all these defensive ends in
Speaker 1: this draft, you know this is a guy again and
Speaker 1: now Dame Brugo's a list once again. The top guys
Speaker 1: you see Bosa, Alan, Gary Farrell, Polite Burn, sweat Ferguson
Speaker 1: Walker right down there, and he's got he's gotta that
Speaker 1: one two on him though. Man, that'll tell you what
Speaker 1: hell of a football player. He's a pastur specialist playing
Speaker 1: behind those you know, the Leonard Floyd, Yeah, those guys
Speaker 1: at Georgia. And then he took over as a starter
Speaker 1: this year and was lights out, big senior year for him.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, well that's all the time we have
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