1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Will Lucas see a black tech green money. Hey, So 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot in twenty twenty six across 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: the whole Afro tech landscape, even the blavity landscape, about 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: medical technology, the future of healthcare and wellness. And today 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have probably one of the biggest 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: healthcare professionals I've had on the show. And so I'm 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: gonna give you like the short bio, but because I 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: love like black excellence, I'm gonna give you the longer 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: version too, because I just love doing. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: These for our people. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: So the short bio I have for Jabbar Swain, MD 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: is Director Innovation med Tech at Johnson and Johnson, cardiothoracic surgeon, 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: Warden NBA, and Harvard Master. 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: Of Public Health, is any of that change? Are you 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: still all those things? All that's still good? All right? 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: The larger bio here, and again, I love doing these 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: longer ones because you really get to see black excellence 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: and awe is glory. Doctor Jabbar's Swain D. Swain is 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: cardiothoracic surgeon, global health scholar, and physician executive who operates 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: at the intersection of clinical excellence, public health, and med 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: tech innovation. Trained in cardiopulmonary transplantation, mechanical circulary circulatory support, 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: and complex cardiac surgery, he pairs deep clinical expertise with 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: leadership experience across pharmaceutical, R and D, medical affairs, and 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: healthcare technology. Welcome to this show, doctor Jabbar Swain. 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: Thank you happy to be here. 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: It's so much of my pleasure to have you here. 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: We're going to talk a. 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: Lot today about what the future holds for us and 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: where opportunities lie as we walk into that future. 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: So you've said before. 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: That representation matters not just in the or, but in policy, 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: research and patient advocacy. I've the most I hear about, 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: like patient agaby advocacy is like people advocating for themselves. 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I get people of our colors, particularly like women, when 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: they're having babies, they've had to advocate for themselves. They 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: say they're in pain and the Historically they haven't always listened. 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: And so, where do you think the black community currently 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: has the least leverage in shaping health technology and why? 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: So first, before I answered that, I just want to 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: thank you for having this platform and creating an opportunity 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: to have shared voices. Oftentimes I think we miss out 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: on having our voices heard, and that is one of 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: the critical problems that I think exists in the question 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: that you asked. And so creating an avenue in a 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: way for us to get our perspective into the ecosystem 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: is a start, because no one will understand that we 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 4: have problems or challenges unless they understand our fight and 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: our disadvantages and our plight not only of us as individuals, 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: but as a culture and people. And so, you know, 50 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 4: when we talk about advocacy, you know, first of all, 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: I think I like to you know, frame what that means. 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: You know, we hear about it oftentimes in the context 53 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: of politics, you know, being an advocate for different types 54 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: of rights or services. But when you're thinking about patient advocacy, 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 4: it's a little bit more intimate because it's you know, 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: looking inward about how you see yourself and how you 57 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 4: fit into the frame work of health care delivery. And 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: a lot of times now we see the healthcare system 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: changing and being so dynamic, it oftentimes changes and moves 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: at a pace that eclipses our understanding, and it does 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 4: so in a way that leads us behind. 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: And so being an. 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: Appropriate patient advocate for oneself, particularly for people of color, 64 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: means understanding your diagnosis, being responsive to the healthcare ecosystem 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: in a sense of, you know, going to seek medical 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 4: care in a timely fashion, but also not just accepting 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: what is given to you as information, but really combining 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: research with having you know, second questions or second opinions 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: around things that are unclear, and then oftentimes taking your 70 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: medical journey with a partner alongside you, be it a 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: spouse or a friend or a loved one who can 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 4: also hear the things that you might miss in the 73 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 4: exchange of information. 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: And so I think for people of color in this. 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 4: Age, are all people actually being an advocate or a 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: patient advocate is someone who not only takes understanding and 77 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: responsibility of putting their care first and making sure that 78 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: all their questions are answered, but being there for each 79 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: other in a way that we digest the information and 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 4: then we come back with questions that make sure that 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: there's clarity around what is being offered and the services 82 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 4: that are going to be rendered to get us to 83 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 4: the other side of the problem. 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: What is one of the best ways that you would 85 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: recommend that non you know, scientific people from our communit 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: do you do advocate for themselves and ask the right questions. 87 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: Because I think about being non clinical that I'm gonna 88 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: just go to Google and chat GPT and say what 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: is this bump? And it's gonna tell me that I'm 90 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: gonna die? You know, then I'm gonna go to the 91 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: doctor and said, Google said is this and you telling 92 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: me it's something else? So how do you recommend that 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: we learn to advocate because we don't know the Latin 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: terminology that you guys study, and we don't know when 95 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: under this stuff means right. 96 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: So you know, we joke about it, but you know, WebMD, Google, 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: even chat GPT, Now are you more accessible and available 98 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: to us in ways that has never been? And it 99 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: has provided us with access to information? And I would 100 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: say that those are great avenues to begin your search 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: and to begin the framing of understanding. But oftentimes, you know, 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: if you don't have a medical background, some of the 103 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: information that those access points will provide you, they can 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: be misconstrued or you begin to self diagnose. So I 105 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 4: would certainly say not to rely exclusively on those means 106 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 4: of information transfer to manage your care. And so in 107 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: your question of asking, well, how do I advocate for myself. 108 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: That is a good you know, searching the internet, et 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 4: cetera is a good place to begin. But I think, 110 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: you know, really being equipped with, you know, just the 111 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: basics when you go to an appointment, having a pen 112 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 4: and paper and writing down what is being said when 113 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 4: you get labs or any type of paperwork, retaining those 114 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: and holding those in a file together so that you 115 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 4: have a clear a capsule of the documentation that's happening. 116 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: And then, as I mentioned before, you know that phrase 117 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: of phoning a friend, but actually taking a friend with 118 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 4: you to the visit if you're going to see a provider, 119 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 4: whether it's in the hospital, emergency room, or even urgent care. 120 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: Because oftentimes, though there. 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 4: Are specific buzzwords that numb us, like anytime someone hears 122 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: the word cancer, anything that I say. 123 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: After that is going to be a part. 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: And so having a partner or an accomplish with you 125 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: to be able to capture what else is being said. 126 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 4: That way, you can you know, debrief after the visit, 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: you can begin to kind of digest some of those 128 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: things and then come back with second second questions. You know, 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: one thing that we are doing now as providers in 130 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: not only the healthcare ecosystem, but across different industries, including pharma, 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: is that we're beginning to be more conscientious of how 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: people receive information. And so there are a lot of 133 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: opportunities now where pharma companies, medical infrastructures are coming into 134 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: communities and going to barbershops, salons, they're coming to churches, 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: they're having community events that oftentimes offer free biometric screening, etc. 136 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 4: And so those are also places I think that we 137 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: can receive free information to understand how we should you know, 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: prioritize that health and I think those are also really 139 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: healthy ways to begin your advocacy journey because a lot 140 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: of times you will receive information about different health conditions 141 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: and then just researching those conditions that they that they 142 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: bring about because oftentimes the reason why they are in 143 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: that those health bears, etc. Are in those communities is 144 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: because there's a specific need there. So they're not just 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: there to like give away free stuff. They're there checking 146 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: blood pressure or checking cholesterol because it may be endemic 147 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 4: or there may be a population that has a high 148 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: prevalence of that disease process. And so that should kind 149 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: of be a light bulb for us to say, hey, 150 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: let me capture this information because even if it doesn't 151 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: apply directly to me, it may apply to you know, 152 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: a friend. 153 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: A partner, someone that goes to my church or my fraternity. 154 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 4: And so beginning to just be a sponge when it 155 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: comes to healthcare information, I think is something that we 156 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: should all take responsibility for because for so long we've 157 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: not had access to education and literacy. But now it's plentiful, 158 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: and so I think not necessarily everybody needs to go 159 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: to medical school or become a nurse, or become a doctor, 160 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: or start trying to diagnose or treat yourself. But I 161 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: think we need to be a little bit more open 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: and transparent about receiving information and understanding that even if 163 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 4: the information doesn't apply directly to us, that health information 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: could be the key to save the lives of someone 165 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: else that. 166 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: We may love. 167 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, So I'm in looking at your resume, which 168 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: is a beautiful resume. I think about power accumulation. So 169 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I think, how should black clinicians and technologists and working 170 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: in health care, wellness and etc. Think about power accumulation 171 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: in healthcare? And what I mean by that is titles, 172 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: because titles do matter, and equity, intellectual property regulatory expertise, 173 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: how should we be thinking about that? 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: You know, this is the best. 175 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: Time than any other time again for us to begin 176 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: to claim intellectual property, if you will, in this space. 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: You know, there's always been room for us, but we've 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,239 Speaker 4: never had a seat. 179 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: At the table to begin to involve ourselves in the dialogue. 180 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: And so I would say for any health care provider 181 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: or wellness agent, or a person who is passionate about 182 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: you know, spreading the word of good health and management 183 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 4: of you know, life skills, et cetera, you know, one 184 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: put your content out there. And I think taking advantage 185 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: of forums like this and being on podcasts and writing 186 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: memos and journals and having your thought leadership be put 187 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: into the public ecosystem is a start. But also you know, 188 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: making sure that you know, you do it in a 189 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 4: branded way such that you can stamp and approve what 190 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: is being said and that it is verified and validated. 191 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 4: So that's how we begin to put our name on 192 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 4: what's going out there. And then as far as like 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: claiming equity in the wellness and healthcare space, whether you're 194 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: a medical technologist or a healthcare technician, I think that's 195 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: going to be really challenging at first, but start in 196 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: our or your community and you know, really build a 197 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: brand or a reputation around like servicing people that you 198 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: are passionate or communities that you are passionate about, and 199 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: I think you know that will begin to create credibility 200 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 4: of your own. And then we have to look at 201 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: how do we you know, start creating an ecosystem that 202 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 4: is going to help bring resources to vulnerable populations. And 203 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: part of that ability is to start buying office buildings, 204 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: start buying you know, medical facilities where we can deliver 205 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: services to populations that might have otherwise been left out 206 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 4: of the conversation. And as you begin to create that 207 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: that opportunity for yourself that only not only that not 208 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: only creates a mechanism of distributing goods and services to 209 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: a population that is uh, you know, maybe underserved, but 210 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: it also begins to create a legacy of wealth and. 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: Opportunity for you as a provider. 212 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: You know, it's really interesting to go into a community 213 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 4: and see, you know, a private doctor's office that might 214 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: be wrong run and owned by a black provider and 215 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: the nurse's staff. It's unusual now because oftentimes, you know, 216 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: we just see urgent cares, et cetera. But I'll give 217 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: you the example here in Philadelphia, in North Philadelphia at 218 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: the Deliverance Church, there's the Aila Stanford Center for Health Equity. 219 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: It was started by doctor Aila Stamford, who is. 220 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: A pediatric surgeon who you know, was courageous enough to 221 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: begin testing and screening vulnerable populations during the pandemic. And 222 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: so there she created a platform for herself unknowingly because 223 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: she created trust in that community. And then she began 224 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: to open her clinic where you know, people of color 225 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: could come in and get barrier free care. And so 226 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: that's a clear example and a template for the rest 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 4: of us who are interested in, you know, trying to 228 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 4: find a way to get out in the community and 229 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: trying to find a way to establish our brand equity, 230 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: but also establish a legacy that will be lasting. And 231 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 4: so start from the grassroots level, even if it's a 232 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 4: point of like getting a van or a truck and 233 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 4: you know, going to different healthfarees and establishing your presence, 234 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 4: and then after that to grow once you validate you know, 235 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: the legitimacy of the services that you're providing, start buying 236 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: you know, real estate and creating brick and mortars, and 237 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: you know, we'll see the growth of you know, our 238 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 4: legacy from that point on moving forward. 239 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: Well, I want to get a take on this because 240 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: the what I'm hearing you say is like there could 241 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: be another way of doing these things that create opportunities. 242 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: But one of the reasons that healthcare providers end up 243 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: joining networks and systems is because they're not well. I 244 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: may be a good doctor, I'm not a good payroll clerk. 245 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm not also a good manager of people. I'm not 246 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: a good you know, I can't set up the office suite. 247 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just go be a good doctor and 248 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: let this network take. 249 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: Care of all that stuff. 250 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: So are there other ways we could be thinking about this, 251 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: because what I hear you saying is that we should 252 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: be in our community is building these things. But the 253 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: reason we don't, or the reason we don't grow, is 254 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: because we do all the CEO stuff. 255 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 4: Yes, no, I agree, but you know, one, there are 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: a lot of business leaders around us. I think, you know, 257 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: what we sometimes do is stay in our own lane. 258 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: And I think in order for us to grow. 259 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: We have to build a network of individuals who are 260 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: proficient in different areas and so, yes, i might be 261 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: a cardiac surgeon, and so I'm not into business or 262 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: understand payroll, et cetera. But if I'm out in the 263 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: community and becoming engaged, there is someone there who went 264 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: to business school, who understands marketing, who understands branding, who 265 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: understands payroll that. 266 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: I can connect with. 267 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: Then you know there's someone out there in the community 268 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: that you know, might have been a retired. 269 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: Nurse, et cetera. 270 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 4: And so I think being open about how you build 271 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: our in your community, that's one thing that I think 272 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: a missed opportunity that oftentimes under service populations miss out on. 273 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: I'll give you another example. In the church. For example, 274 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: growing up, UH, there was always. 275 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: A medical ministry in the church, UH and that was 276 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: like a nerves et cetera. UH that would attend to 277 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: the pastor and other things. And so that's an opportunity 278 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: to begin to establish a small clinic. And so you'll 279 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: have not only personnel from the church that can be 280 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: a part of it, but I'm sure there's someone within 281 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: that congregation that may have experience in you know, business. 282 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: Infrastructure, et cetera. 283 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: And so the point I'm trying to make is try 284 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: to engage yourself in communities where there are individuals that 285 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: have a variety of different talents, and let's start working 286 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: together and crossing our lanes. And once we begin to 287 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: put our expertise together, you know, I think there presents 288 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: an opportunity for us to kind of grow into something meaningful. 289 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 4: The other, I guess important thing that I would share 290 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: is that, you know the way that our ecosystem in 291 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: regards to politics and economics is changing so rapidly. You know, 292 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: building business and says around wellness and health may not 293 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,479 Speaker 4: look the same as it used to ten fifteen years ago. 294 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: And so some of the things in which I think 295 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: we can begin to take advantage of are like telemedicine 296 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: or utilizing mobile clinics as opposed to a brick and mortar. 297 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: There's a gentleman in North Carolina who's a psychiatrist or 298 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: he's a licensed clinical social worker, and he provides therapy, 299 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: and you know, getting a private office is expensive, So 300 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 4: what he did was he branted out a van and 301 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: equipped it with like video games and other like you know, 302 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 4: engaging opportunities, particularly because his therapy is targeted. 303 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: Towards young people. 304 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: But he created a very comfortable ecosystem within a ban 305 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: and then he goes around to different communities and he 306 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: administers his therapy in that way. And so the kids 307 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: now can come into his band. It's a private facility, 308 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: they can play video games, bond, but they can also 309 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: receive their therapy session and so there's no cost to 310 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: him as far as and mortar. 311 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: He's able to meet the patient where. 312 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 4: They are because he's mobile, and he's able to provide 313 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: a service in a vulnerable population that otherwise will not 314 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 4: have access because if you know, in the context of 315 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: maybe them having transportation barriers or them not being able 316 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: to have Wi Fi to connect to internet. So this 317 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: way where a guy uses innovation and creativity to meet 318 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 4: patients where they are, and he's also at the same 319 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 4: time able to build a small business that can ultimately 320 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: be scaled and thrive. 321 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would like you to spend just a 322 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: moment talking about cross discipline and so some of the 323 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: best conversations I've ever had have been with deep scientists 324 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: like yourself, medical professionals who also know business. 325 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: And got the NBA and et cetera. Because that is 326 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: like such a. 327 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Unique makeup to me and I've had a lot of 328 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: conversations with doctors who will know nothing about business, and 329 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: a lot of business conversations people know nothing about nothing 330 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: else except business. And so talk to me about the 331 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: need and the benefit, because sometimes it's not need, but 332 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: this is a benefit to have other talents and the 333 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: skills and expertise of having that cross discipline training. 334 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 335 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: No, and thank you for that question. You know, for me, 336 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: medicine is like a superpower. It's my magical ministry, if 337 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: you will. And I'm so grateful that I was blessed 338 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: with the skill to be able to practice medicine and 339 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: to engage in the way that I have. And I 340 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: didn't go to business school to like make more money, 341 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 4: to be honest with you, you know, while that. 342 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: Is attractive, what I found with. 343 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: Business that I didn't find with medicine is that business 344 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: allowed me to learn how to look at problems from 345 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 4: a different lens and thereby be able to take complex 346 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: challenges and bring them up into more simplified pieces that 347 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 4: we could find a better solution. And I think it 348 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 4: only enhanced my ability to deliver the medicine and the 349 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: care that I'm most passionate about and So that is 350 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 4: what sort of a business background has done for me, 351 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 4: and I've seen it to do the same for others. 352 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 4: And so with the combination of having you know, a 353 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 4: medical background and having business for sure, I could probably 354 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 4: manage through a P and L and begin to manage 355 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: a payroll and establish a you know, a marketable brand 356 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 4: in that way. But it really has helped me to 357 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 4: begin to tackle much larger, complex problems outside of the 358 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: operating room. And one of the problems that I am 359 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 4: passionate about is how do we do a better job 360 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 4: at providing care to vulnerable populations? And that vulnerability is 361 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: beyond race to women, to lg LGBTQ plus populations, to minors, 362 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: to individuals that are in abusive relations. How can we, 363 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: you know, get them closer to resources at an affordable 364 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: price that might allow them to live the lives that 365 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: they are deserved. And so those are some of the 366 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 4: problems that have been challenging us as medical providers. Having 367 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 4: gone to business school now allows me to look at 368 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: those problems and to be able to innovate in interesting 369 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: ways such that I can find unique solutions for those problems. 370 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: But you're right, having cross sector training and wearing other 371 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: hats I think is a value add to any individual, 372 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: whether you're a nurse, lawyer, doctor, or even you know 373 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: in another area, because it helps you to begin to 374 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 4: think about the world from a different perspective. 375 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: Where do you see the greatest mismatch between things that 376 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: are true clinically and corporate strategy and healthcare innovation. 377 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: Yes, I think there are two areas of mismatch. One 378 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: is a lack of representation. And you not only have 379 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 4: the lack of presentation in the communities being served by technology, 380 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: but you also have a lack of representation in the 381 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: communities that are creating the technology. And so, for instance, 382 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: if a device is being made or a drug is 383 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: being developed, if there's no representation of women, men, or 384 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 4: if there's no representation of under underserved populations in that 385 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: production process, then you know there may not be sensitivity 386 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 4: around the needs of that special population. And what I 387 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: mean by that. For instance, let's take a drug and 388 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 4: drug development. If they're in the two sides of it. 389 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 4: If African Americans, for example, are not being a part 390 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 4: of medical trials, then we don't we won't understand the 391 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 4: nuances of their biology that makes certain drugs react a 392 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 4: certain way. And then on the flip side, if there's 393 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: no Africanaora representation in pharmaceutical areas, then there's no one 394 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: in the decision making capacity who understands that, hey, we 395 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: need to make sure that our drug is accessible to 396 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: vulnerable populations or people who may not necessarily have insurance 397 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: or access. And so, you know, I think diversity of 398 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: thought is the kind of cornerstone of having sensitivities around 399 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 4: groups that otherwise may not have a loud voice in 400 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: the ecosystem. And that's not only in the receivership of 401 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 4: services and care, but also in the creation of services 402 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 4: and care. And that's why afro tech and other type 403 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 4: of organizations like that is so truly important because it 404 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: helps or at least from my knowledge of afro Tech, 405 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 4: it helps inspire young people to become engaged in technology 406 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: and it adds to the diverse ecosystem that is necessary 407 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: to have creators who are creating devices and concepts and 408 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: themes and ideas that are going to be available to 409 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 4: diverse populations. 410 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to start off sound like a 411 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: political question, but it's not, I promise, So I think 412 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: about how you know, right now we're having a conversation 413 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: about you know, healthcare premiums going up and etc. And 414 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: uncertainty about being covered and et cetera. 415 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: All the things. 416 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: But I also believe just fundamentally that when we are 417 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: under attack that those can also be greatest opportunities for 418 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: innovation in a new direction and doing something differently. Where 419 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: are you where you could be discouraged are also encouraged 420 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: about this is an opportunity if we reframe the way 421 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: we look at the problem. 422 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 4: I'm encouraged by the fact that this is pushing us 423 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: towards uncomfortable change. And oftentimes when we are uncomfortable, it 424 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: makes us nervous, and it creates anxiety, and it creates 425 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 4: a sense of urgency. 426 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: But we now have in. 427 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 4: Our capacity tools to help us along the way. And 428 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: I think it is these type of moments that help 429 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 4: us to begin to innovate and to create solutions that 430 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 4: we otherwise would not. 431 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: Have thought of had we remained comfortable. 432 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: And so, you know, while it's unfortunate that because of 433 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: the changes that are happening, a lot of people are 434 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 4: going to suffer, but I think those sufferings sometimes. 435 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: Will lead to. 436 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 4: Courage to begin to think outside of the box and 437 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 4: begin to become more creative on how we find solutions. 438 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's necessary, and that is to me 439 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: the cornerstone or the kind of the main state of 440 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: what innovation is. It's kind of beginning to think beyond 441 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: what our current standard might be. 442 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really good. 443 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: How should innovators think people who are designing technologies just 444 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: across the board especially you can talk about the health care, 445 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: but across the board, how can innovators think differently about 446 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: constraints to those designs for building when they're building for 447 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: populations that may not have strong Wi Fi? I mean 448 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: your your privilege, as I'm a privileged with very strong 449 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Wi Fi and I live a good life in that way. 450 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: But you can take for granted that everybody has everybody 451 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: don't have that, and also their their ability to. 452 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: The wallets are. 453 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Thinner like, they may not have the ability to pay 454 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: for things, so that creates restraints on the innovations or 455 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: that we should consider constraints so that they're able to 456 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: be accessible. 457 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: For more people. So how should we think about that 458 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: as innovators? 459 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 4: Great question, and I think you know the best lesson 460 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 4: that I have learned about doing more with less, I 461 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: think is what I'm hearing to say came from when 462 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 4: I lived in Rwanda. It's a beautiful country in East Africa, 463 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: but it has been challenged in a number of different ways. 464 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 4: But if you look at the growth of the economy, 465 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: the ecosystems across the board, it's probably one of the 466 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: fastest growing countries in East Africa. And I dare say 467 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 4: subs Aerian Africa as a whole and part of the 468 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 4: things that I feel like have led to its growth, 469 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: aside from its leadership. And you know, the patriotism that 470 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 4: now exists that was very different and broken in the 471 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 4: past is the idea and concept of keeping the goal 472 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: in mind and then keeping things simple. You know, innovation 473 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 4: doesn't always have to be complex, robotic, you know, high fidelity. 474 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 4: It can be you know, as as easy as like simple. 475 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: You know, ideas that you know don't have a whole 476 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: lot of nuance. And I think when it innovators are 477 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 4: in the space of creating, I think you have to 478 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: do so with the eye of making sure that the 479 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 4: device or idea or concept that you're creating has usability 480 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 4: across a variety of different contexts. I mean, it's okay 481 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: to innovate for you know, you know Wi fi et cetera. 482 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 4: And you know complex s, fintech, et cetera. But I 483 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 4: think if you really want to bring impact, having a 484 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: open understanding of being able to do more with less, 485 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 4: as we mentioned, and trying to be sure that you 486 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 4: simplify the problem that you're hoping to solve and that 487 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: there's usability across a variety of backgrounds, that to me 488 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 4: is going to be the way forward. And you know, 489 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: it doesn't take Oftentimes, innovation doesn't mean like creating something 490 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: brand new. 491 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 3: It could also just take a concept or idea that. 492 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 4: Already exists and making it more accelexible. 493 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: To more people. 494 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: So if we could focus a little in that way, 495 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: then we'll begin to see a surge in innovators and uh, 496 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: taste makers and idea creators across the ecosystem. 497 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: When you look at the value chain of mad tech, 498 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, think about R and D, clinical trials, reimbursement, 499 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: even distribution, which are what areas are the most right 500 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: for disruption by outsiders and particularly black people. 501 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, uh, you know, we have a chance 502 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: to disrupt it all, you know, and you know it's 503 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 4: just different pathways of it. You know, those who are 504 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: blessed with the opportunity to go to higher education and 505 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 4: get a PhD, et cetera, and become scientists, et cetera. 506 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: You know, they have an opportunity to you know, begin 507 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: to infiltrate some of our pharma and met device companies 508 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: and and be a part of the voice and discussion 509 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: around creativity. 510 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: In that way. 511 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: For those who are content creators, who are putting out 512 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: information in our social media platforms, there's an opportunity to 513 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: not only talk about fashion and. 514 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: Arts, etc. But also provide you know. 515 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: Health literacy and you know, concept literacy into their listenership 516 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 4: in such a way that it becomes empowering and encouraging 517 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: at the same time. There's also the ability to disrupt. 518 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 4: When we think about creating access. You know, there's a 519 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: sphrase to whom much is given, much is required, And 520 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: so you know, really those who've been given much, like myself, 521 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: like you, we turning back and making sure that we're 522 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 4: creating a pathway for others to follow us. You know, 523 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 4: we may not have five dollars to donate to a charity, 524 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: but we can spend time with a young person and 525 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 4: try to mentor them and try to encourage them so 526 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: that you know, we can lift them up and create 527 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 4: opportunities for them to be a part of this creativity ecosystem. 528 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 4: And so, uh, you know, I think now is it's 529 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: an exciting time. It is a time full of chaos 530 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: and uncertainty. But I think if we begin to work together, 531 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: become open, uh, and we become you know more I guess, 532 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 4: uh responsible for each other, and we have more responsible 533 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: stewardship around sharing education and information through great platforms like 534 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 4: this one, we can create opportunity not only for you know, 535 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 4: our existence today, but we can begin to set a 536 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: path to ease things for those that follow in the future. Yeah. 537 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: And so because you're also into investing in companies medtech startups, 538 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a more brutal question because you just 539 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: said we can disrupt. 540 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: We can play across the board. 541 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: So but if you see a startup that comes to 542 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: you it says, you know, we're doing X, what kind 543 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: of what? 544 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: What category? Are you like? 545 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: Heah, I'm not interested because you know, you got an 546 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: uphill battle and the incentives are broken, not because there's 547 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: not a need, but because you're investing in a startup 548 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: and it's got to bring a return and the incentives 549 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: is broken. 550 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: Right. 551 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: Well, I think when we talk about investing sometimes we 552 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: myopically believe that investment always has to look in the 553 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: form of cash, and I think most startups that is 554 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: going to be critically important in order for them to 555 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: get to the next level. But you know, having been 556 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 4: involved in startup environments myself, sometimes the thing that I 557 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: needed the most was mentorship or direction towards other opportunities. 558 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 4: And so I try to make it a point when 559 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: I am counseling startup or an opportunity that may not 560 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: necessarily fall within my portfolio, or something that I'm interested 561 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 4: in directly investing in, I try to at least provide meaningful, 562 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: tactical feedback or some type of direction that will help 563 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 4: them get to the next level. I might not be 564 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 4: the perfect fit, but there probably. 565 00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: Is someone else. 566 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 4: So these are some things that I like noted in 567 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 4: your pitch or these are some things that I noted 568 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: in your concept that I think if attention was held 569 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 4: to them, if you revisited these ideas or concepts and 570 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: pitched it a different way to this, you know, group 571 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 4: of investors or you know, here's. 572 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: A group of VC folks that may be aligned with that. 573 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 4: So I try to, you know, give make it my 574 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: responsibility to see investment beyond just giving funds and money, 575 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 4: but also giving knowledge because that also can add value 576 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: to these startups and add to their ultimate success. 577 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you made me think about these hair 578 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: care skincare companies who have went to pitch VC, and 579 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the VC disregards it because they think it's the market's 580 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: too small because it's targeting black people. And obviously we 581 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: know that's not true. So but I'm interested in that 582 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: it's not true that the market is small. I mean, 583 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: so I'm interested in your take on why the capital 584 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: community continues still still undervalue solutions aimed at marginalized communities 585 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: when obviously the market is so massive. 586 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: Well, part of that insensitivity is because there isn't a 587 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 4: representation of individuals who understand the importance of the population 588 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 4: that those products are serving. 589 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: And so we solve for that by increasing. 590 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 4: The opportunity of individuals who are responsible for capital investment. 591 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 592 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: That makes total sense? 593 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 4: Like overally, you know, if you know it feels that 594 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 4: lending or VC options are limited, then that means we 595 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 4: need more vcs that are women run or black owned 596 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: or you know, Latin owned, such that those opportunities can 597 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 4: carry the sensitivity of understanding the need for those products. 598 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: And now we're seeing more of those on the landscape 599 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 4: than before. You know, I'll give a well known example 600 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: for Real with his Black Ambition Challenges. He has multiple 601 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 4: different challenge platforms now that target towards you know, black 602 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 4: products and services and gives an eye towards creating chances 603 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 4: for those brands that might otherwise be overlooked by you know, 604 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 4: majority population venture groups. And not just for Real, but 605 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 4: there are others out here that are beginning to create 606 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 4: opportunities for you know, marginalized populations. And so I think again, 607 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 4: the onus is upon our community to realize that we 608 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 4: are our. 609 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: Brother and sisters keeper. 610 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 4: And once you have arrived, and once you have you know, 611 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 4: a mass of millions and billions, et cetera, turning around 612 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 4: and creating that opportunity such that there can be visibility 613 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 4: for these brands. I think it's going to be the 614 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 4: only way forward. And we see that beginning to happen. 615 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: It just now needs to begin to grow at a 616 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 4: much greater speed than it has been in the past. 617 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: So how do you encourage more black physicians to not 618 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: just be advisors to companies and starters, but investors in 619 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: them and board members on their boards? 620 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: Right, you know, part of it comes with educating them 621 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 4: and letting them know, you know, more about the missed 622 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 4: opportunity of not getting involved in you know, these type 623 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 4: of things a lot of times. Again, staying in your 624 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 4: lane and just being a provider, you know, is sort 625 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: of you know, what people think about and taking care 626 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 4: of their family. 627 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 3: But I think you. 628 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 4: Know, seeing examples of it working and seeing the return 629 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 4: on the investment being beyond just the financial return, but 630 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 4: also the return on the growth of our communities, I 631 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 4: think is something that resonates with a lot of folks 632 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 4: and so sometimes we have to bring it to them 633 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 4: and let them see it and let them see examples 634 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 4: before they're convinced. 635 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: And you know, there's nothing wrong with that. 636 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 4: And so with that, with that said, I think it's 637 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 4: also the responsibility of the brands that are trying to 638 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 4: reach you know, you know, these hidden pockets of financing. 639 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 4: You know, really you know, tell your story, but do 640 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 4: it in a meaningful way such that it resonates and 641 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: such that it brought audience can see it and we 642 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 4: see you know, this current generation beginning to take advantage 643 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 4: of social media and sub stack and all these sort 644 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 4: of you know, uh communication platforms to talk about you know. 645 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 3: Lifestyle, et cetera. 646 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 4: Use these also as an opportunity to talk about your 647 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 4: brand and your product, and you know, to begin to 648 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 4: build you know, and infrastructure such that you know, it 649 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 4: runs across the LinkedIn profiles or feeds, or it runs 650 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 4: across these these spaces where these individuals might otherwise not 651 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 4: see or have visibility to the products that are available. 652 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 653 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: So in a couple of minutes I have left with you, 654 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: I think about two questions that are more about how 655 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: doctor Swain works, you know, more personally professionally, but personally. 656 00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: So, yeah, you. 657 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: Know, you are a surgeon. You are leading departmental efforts. 658 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: You are also a venture You are doing so many 659 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: different things, advising and sitting on board all the things. 660 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: How do you tactically organize your time? 661 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 4: Like? 662 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 2: How do you do it? Is it like I just 663 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: have a Google. 664 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: Calendar and I'm just doing this, I'm just switching gears 665 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: all day long? Or is it I do this on 666 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: Mondays and only on Mondays? 667 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: Like, how do you do it? 668 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 4: You know, I'll tell you the thing that it constantly 669 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 4: that is a constant for me, and it's how I 670 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: start my day. And it's paying homage to my faith 671 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 4: that grounds me in whatever I have to do. And 672 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 4: so you know, for me, it's prayer uh, and then 673 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 4: meditating uh, and then getting gratitude you know, you know, 674 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 4: in my faith system. And then you know, as I 675 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 4: go about my day and organize things, you know, if 676 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 4: it's not written down, it doesn't And so you know, 677 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 4: and and I mean physically written down or put into 678 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 4: my calendar. And just as I prioritize my meetings that 679 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 4: I have for work or when I'm gonna call them, 680 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 4: I also prioritize the other important things like you know, 681 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: exercise or if I'm gonna you know, be meeting with 682 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 4: my trainer, or if I'm gonna be doing yoga, et cetera. 683 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 4: And so all those things that you know, I believe 684 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 4: to be like self care, et cetera, are non negotiables. 685 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 4: I had a conversation maybe yesterday with someone and they 686 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 4: were talking about, you know, it's important for us to 687 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 4: have sacred rest and it kind of took me back. 688 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 4: I appreciated the point that they were trying to make 689 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 4: around it, but you know, I don't think rest should 690 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 4: be sacred. Rest should be a part of your routine. 691 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 4: You know, sleep is medicine. I know that if I 692 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 4: don't get eight hours of sleep or you know, enough 693 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 4: that's going to replenish me, that I'm not going to 694 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 4: be one hundred and ten percent. And then once I 695 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 4: get up, you know, and I start my day, like 696 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 4: I said, I pay my respects and then I organize, 697 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 4: you know, the things that I prioritize. 698 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: I triage and you know, I can't do everything. 699 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 4: And I realize that, you know, every day I'm going 700 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 4: to get up, you know, I'm going to disappoint somebody. 701 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: It's either going to be. 702 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 4: My family, it's going to be my co workers, it's 703 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 4: going to be you know that that soccer game on 704 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 4: my nephews that I couldn't get to. But I try 705 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 4: in all of that to be my very best and 706 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 4: do my very best. And I think in leading with 707 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: that intentionality is what makes what makes me successful at 708 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 4: getting everything, you know, checked off on the list, but 709 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 4: then also realizing the limitations that I'm human. I can 710 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: do everything, and I need to take time to rest, 711 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 4: and I need to take time to recover. So just 712 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 4: as I work hard, I try to play hard as well. 713 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 4: But I think, again, you know, just making sure that 714 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 4: all the things that are important to me and the 715 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 4: things that become a part of my kind of daily ritual, 716 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 4: that they go into my calendar and they become just 717 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 4: as important as you know, that meeting that I need 718 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 4: to make or that operation that I that I need 719 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 4: to perform. 720 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: Last one for you is how do you view yourself 721 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: as a representative of what's possible medically? And so what 722 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: I think about is there's so many of us in 723 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: our community who don't grow up great at math because 724 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: of whatever reason. 725 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not going to tell you what 726 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 2: my reasons. 727 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: Were, but math and science were not like the best 728 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: subjects for many of us. But then I see you, 729 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I wonder what kind of responsibility you feel, 730 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: if any, to be public about what you've accomplished. 731 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 4: You know, I think it's great to be public about 732 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 4: what I've accomplished, but I think it's also important for 733 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 4: me to be a public about the things that I 734 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 4: feeled at. And that's the part of human vulnerability that 735 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 4: sometimes we don't like to share. And I try to, 736 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 4: at least, you know, give a sneak peek into some 737 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 4: of those things, because it makes people understand that I'm 738 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 4: just as human as they are. And so, yes, I 739 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 4: might have been great at math and science, but I 740 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 4: failed many tests. There have been things that you know, 741 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 4: I didn't get. There have been opportunities that have missed me. 742 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 4: But what has separated me from the next person is 743 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 4: not that. 744 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 3: I have a superpower, but that I have willpower to. 745 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 4: Keep going and that you know, my parents did something 746 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 4: to me when I was young, and that was they 747 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 4: invested in my confidence and my belief in myself and 748 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 4: they didn't stop there. Even as an adult, I still 749 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 4: hear them say I love you, you can do anything. And 750 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 4: that affirmation and confirmation is something that helps keep me going. 751 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 4: And so because I have had that not only from 752 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 4: my parents, but from mentors of mine who saw my 753 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 4: potential before I saw it for myself, I see it 754 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 4: as my responsibility to pay that favor back in a 755 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 4: way that I tried to make sure that I mentor 756 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 4: young people, you know, try to provide you know, insights 757 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 4: from my experience, and I try to try to be 758 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 4: as transparent and vulnerable with them, not only about the 759 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 4: success but also the failures, so that they realize that 760 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 4: the road for me has been rocky. You know, when 761 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 4: people say black excellence, they always think doctor Laura, et cetera. 762 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 4: But you know, coming from the hood or the ghetto 763 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 4: and all those sorts of things and being able to 764 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 4: get out of that environment that also represents excellence, and 765 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 4: so trying to you know, wipe off the shadow of 766 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 4: elitism from you know, the consideration of what you know, 767 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 4: being great and powerful is and being able to demonstrate 768 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 4: that I'm human just like the next person, and that 769 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 4: we all have the potential to be great. We just 770 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 4: have to learn how to invest in each other. And 771 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 4: that investment doesn't always necessarily mean financial. Sometimes it means calling, 772 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 4: checking on each other, making sure we're okay, or being 773 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 4: a listening ear and making people feel like feel special 774 00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 4: that and believing in them. 775 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 2: That Mack and the Cheat Man, doctor Jabbar Swain, it 776 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 2: was so good. Thank you so much,