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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Today the Lions

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Speaker 2: eliminated from the NFC playoff picture with that loss to

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings. It's it's always tough to lose, it's

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Speaker 2: even tougher to lose. To Max Brozmer like that was.

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Speaker 2: That was tough one for the Lions yesterday in the

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Speaker 2: Sandwich game of the tripleheader. And then at night you

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs giving all that they could against the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: But the Broncos continue their winning ways despite having their

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Speaker 2: losing streak snapped last week. That bounced back in a

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Speaker 2: short week and beat the these shorthanded Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: which sure seemed like the farewell to Travis Kelce. So

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Speaker 2: a lot happening on the Chrisma stay in the National

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Speaker 2: Football League.

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Speaker 3: Can I say something really quick on I know we

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Speaker 3: have a bigger Lions conversation to do as I think

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Speaker 3: we're waiting for Mark. He's coming up, okay, so as

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Speaker 3: we get Mark Dominic ready. The Lions topic is both

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Speaker 3: fascinating but it's also sort of not fascinating to me

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Speaker 3: because everyone's like.

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Speaker 2: The Lions, what happened? It's like they whifted on their OC.

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Speaker 2: Like is it?

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Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, like the Chiefs, right. I

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Speaker 3: think there's like seven holes to plug on that roster

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you may have had a genius savant calling plays.

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Speaker 3: You you may not get a Ben Johnson again. But

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Speaker 3: like you know, with due respect to everybody who does this,

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Speaker 3: I saw so many like how do the Lions fix it?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, nail the OC and you'll probably be

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Speaker 3: really good again next year.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to get some insights, maybe from a former

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Speaker 2: NFL GM who joins us now. Mark Dominic is on

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Speaker 2: the line as he always does here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Mary Christmas, Mark, how are.

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Speaker 4: You merry Christmas? Fellas? I'm good. It's a fun week

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Speaker 4: of football for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we were just talking about the Lions, Aaron says,

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Speaker 2: you know, step one is to figure out your offense

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Speaker 2: and offensive coordinator and find your eventual real replacement to

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. Are there further issues with Detroit outside of

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Speaker 2: what happened at the OC position this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, we can be hard. This

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Speaker 4: is also a Detroit team to put fifty points up

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Speaker 4: on the board. I think during the season they've dropped

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Speaker 4: thirty to forty points almost half the year. So this

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Speaker 4: team has scored points. It's just been frustrated the last

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks when you put twenty four and then

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Speaker 4: just not quite scoring enough. I think it's more as

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Speaker 4: much as it is on offense. I think it's also

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Speaker 4: combination because if you're scoring on average, if you're scoring

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Speaker 4: about twenty eight points to thirty points a game, you'd

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Speaker 4: think you'd have a lot more victories than eight at

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Speaker 4: this point Detroit Lions, and I think, you know, some

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Speaker 4: things are just falling apart from them. I look at

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Speaker 4: It's not the season that anybody expected to Detroit, and

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Speaker 4: that's frustrated across the board. But it doesn't mean you

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Speaker 4: to do everything again next year? Continuity is something that's

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Speaker 4: do anything else. You know, obviously, with John Morton and

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Speaker 3: Let's stay in that same game. I know JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 3: I understood both sides. Have you won a million games

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Speaker 3: last year with Sam Donald? Do you let him walk?

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald's having success. I also felt like everybody skewed

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Speaker 2: Do you agree? Disagree?

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Speaker 4: I do agree, And you know I want to give

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that's really frustrated

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Speaker 4: So I don't know who you're going to put back there.

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Speaker 4: That's a big problem they have to address in this

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Speaker 4: You didn't draft the receiver that every likes, or the

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Speaker 2: and Torres, I'm Dan Beyer, Mark, former GM of the

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm curious with your twenty plus years

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Speaker 2: I understand why the Dolphins made the decision that they made,

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Speaker 2: and third string quarterbacks. Has this always been an issue?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look at this. That's tougher, Dan, because I

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Speaker 4: But there's such a difference, as you guys know, between hey,

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to be okay. I think the

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Speaker 4: maybe an injury for our quarterback isn't that bad, Or

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Speaker 4: we can still win with this guy and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: So then basically we're just kind of we're kind of

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Speaker 2: because that's kind of how it looks like there's nothing

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Speaker 4: Dan, I think you're right, you know, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's going to be that you can't beat experience. And

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Speaker 4: for these young quarterbacks in the league that are like

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Speaker 4: You know, he's just a scout team. You know, he's

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Speaker 4: if it's my turner, I get my number called and

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Speaker 4: I'll be ready to go. And so for like Max

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Speaker 4: They get I get yeah, and I appreciate it. I

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's nothing to line, but I

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Speaker 4: I'm going to trade back to thirteen because that's the

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Speaker 4: and I think that's what the Giants, that's what we'll

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Speaker 2: I got one last one for you, Mark Dominic joining

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Speaker 2: us here on Fox Sports Radio. There are some rumblings

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Speaker 2: alerted me. Has that ever happened in your experience in

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Speaker 4: No, nothing like that. The coach coach handles that and

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Speaker 4: make sure that's happening. And I know there's a rumors

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Speaker 4: surprising to me. I don't know if I completely agree

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Speaker 2: Interesting all right? He's Mark Dominic, our NFL Insider. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate the time. Happy New Year, Mark. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: again in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on guys. Happy New Year, Fellaws.

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Speaker 6: Ryan Kennedy.

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Speaker 7: He is the Detroit Lions fan who was involved in

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Speaker 8: Listen, it is really hard to get me upset.

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Speaker 4: But there's two things.

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Speaker 8: Animal abuse racism. Like I get hot right away, Like

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Speaker 8: I could feel it my face, it gets all warm.

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Speaker 8: I didn't use any racial slurs, no hate speech. I mean,

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Speaker 8: none of that stuffed at the game. To Kaitlin, if

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Speaker 8: you're watching this, man, if you could just say that, please, Like,

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Speaker 8: my family's getting threats.

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Speaker 4: And stuff and it's not cool.

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Speaker 8: So I'm sure you didn't want that to happen to

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Speaker 4: That's all I got.

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Speaker 2: Go Lions, oh boy.

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Speaker 7: Final footnote on that mister Kennedy conducted the news conference

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Speaker 7: while wearing a Lions cap backwards back to you guys.

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Speaker 6: I actually saw that clip.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I am sure the Lions are over

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Speaker 2: Sticking to the sticking to the bit do we want

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Speaker 2: to dive into this, you guys have thoughts on that

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Speaker 9: I had a lot of thoughts we should get to

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Speaker 9: very least DK say he never said that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but but saying it in the reason and calling

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Speaker 2: I think that there's that way of weaving in and out.

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Speaker 10: Iowa, Sam, you mean his gun that's made out made

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Speaker 10: into like a balloon animal Because this guy's a clown. Oh, Like,

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry what happened with DK did was clownish, But

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're going back and forth, Like you really want

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 10: No, it's that's clownish behavior. It's continuing on and on.

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Speaker 2: Stewart is here, as is Iowa. Sam. Do you care

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Speaker 2: about this game as an alum? You just shouog your head. No,

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Speaker 11: I want these guys to be healthy and get ready

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinals look good. I like the helmet that'd

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Speaker 2: So if you're not wearing white, you're wearing blue. You

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Speaker 2: do not wear whatever color blue. That was man, you

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Speaker 2: have to say bye bye bye. All right, Hey, I'm here.

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Speaker 2: I'm here all week. I'm here all week. If you

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Speaker 2: back to week sixteen, now's the time to do it.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, Tuesday to ten.

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Speaker 1: This is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon. Mondays can

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Speaker 1: be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't get

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Speaker 2: Things that we may have missed, didn't talk about we

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Speaker 2: morning quarterback in the.

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Speaker 9: Afternoon, Fellas, I don't want to sam this up, but

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Speaker 9: it's multi pronged. So this is by no means amy

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Speaker 9: preempting your content. I just I want to talk about

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Speaker 9: four things the Bucks and the Lions have kind of

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Speaker 9: to me outsider looking in, the Bucks and Lions kind

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Speaker 9: of have the same issue this season. Now Chris Purfett

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Speaker 9: follows the Lions closer than I. Maybe he has a counterpoint,

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Speaker 9: and you could also say that the Bucks were very

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Speaker 9: injured this season, but I'm going to say that both

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Speaker 9: teams lost their star sexy offensive coordinator from last season,

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Speaker 9: and each of their quarterbacks and or offense has kind

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Speaker 9: of paid the price this season Lions and Bucks. I

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Speaker 9: also want to say that if we're going to judge

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Speaker 9: Ben Johnson and William Cohen's season in general looking back

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Speaker 9: at this, we can't just say, look at the record

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Speaker 9: of their new team compared to the record last year.

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Speaker 9: The contrast also needs to be look at the Lions

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Speaker 9: offense when he left, look at the Bucks offense when

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Speaker 9: he left. It needs to be factored into the equation.

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Speaker 9: That's my point for multi pronged takes, and it's not

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Speaker 9: going to preempt Dan.

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Speaker 2: Buyer's Well, I will say this about the buccaneer side

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Speaker 2: of things. I'll let the Chris Hamm of the Lion stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think it's more frustrating on the buccaneer side of

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Speaker 2: things because they had injuries throughout the season that they

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Speaker 2: were navigating. They didn't have Chris Godwin to start the year.

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Speaker 2: He comes back, did lose Mike Evans around weeks five,

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Speaker 2: six seven. Around that time he's out, Bucky Irving missed

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Speaker 2: a significant portion of time. And now you're getting everybody back.

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Speaker 2: You've got three running backs Sean Tucker, Rashaud White, and

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Speaker 2: the aforementioned Bucky Irving wide receiver of Mecca Buca was

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Speaker 2: the NFL offensive rookie of the year for about the

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Speaker 2: first half of the year. You bring Godwin back, now

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Speaker 2: Evans his return from his collar bone, and they're still

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Speaker 2: not getting it done. They drop back to back games

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Speaker 2: at home a couple of weeks ago. Like That's the

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Speaker 2: issue with me is that the Buccaneers, even with getting

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Speaker 2: everybody back, they still aren't the machine that you would

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Speaker 2: have hoped and they aren't good defensively anymore. They're really

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Speaker 2: bad defensively. Outside of vite Vea stuffing the run, they

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Speaker 2: aren't stopping anyone. So I think that the Buccaneers have

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Speaker 2: a much bigger problem because they actually had some of

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Speaker 2: their players come back, and I know they still may

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Speaker 2: win the division, but they don't pose a threat to

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Speaker 2: anybody else in the NFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I would piggyback on top of that, Dan and say

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Speaker 11: it's been a combination of some coaching things, but they

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Speaker 11: haven't performed well and they've been injured. But you know,

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Speaker 11: if they've gotten guys come back, and like you spoke

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Speaker 11: about Imeca Abuka, the way he played in the beginning

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Speaker 11: of the season, you get all those other guys back

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Speaker 11: and you think he'll be able to continue that, and

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Speaker 11: he has not played that way in the second half

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Speaker 11: of the season.

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Speaker 2: You want to take the Lions side of things, Chris.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's fascinating because I've seen some numbers

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Speaker 5: that indicate it's a lot of the same offensive metrics

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Speaker 5: on like a macro scale the Lions have hit this year,

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Speaker 5: but clearly it's not winning them as many games. Part

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Speaker 5: of that's the schedule they had to play, and you

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Speaker 5: want to talk about an understated part of what the

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Speaker 5: Lions had to adjust with besides Ben Johnson, but like

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Speaker 5: the core of their team, the offensive line turned over

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Speaker 5: three different.

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Speaker 6: Changes on the interior that entire interior.

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Speaker 5: Then Frank Ragnow's gone, Kevin Zeitler left, Graham Glasgow's Now

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Speaker 5: was acting to play center, and he was out against

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Speaker 5: the Steelers. They've suffered a lot of turnover on the

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Speaker 5: offensive line, which means the run game can't get going,

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Speaker 5: which means that their offense really can't get going on

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Speaker 5: some games when they can't establish that run. And like

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Speaker 5: the Buccaneers, they kind of have that injury bug again

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Speaker 5: on their defense. Not as overwhelming as it was last year,

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Speaker 5: but they have no healthy dbs. I was joking with

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Speaker 5: Kerry on Sunday that he might have to suit up

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Speaker 5: for the Lions as safety or something.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also like I think the injuries are a problem,

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Speaker 2: Like why you wouldn't see Jamier Gibbs have the game

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Speaker 2: that you should have had In the running game, Tank

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Speaker 2: Fralier is the guy that you stays around. Jannor angstr

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Speaker 2: And left with Aaron Glenn to the Jets. But obviously

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Speaker 2: there is an issue because you made a change at

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator and play calling mid season. They have Dan

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Speaker 2: Campbell calling the plays from Johnny Morton, So there's obviously

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Speaker 2: an issue there the Bucks. To Jason's point, there may

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Speaker 2: be there may be an issue with the coordinators, which

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Speaker 2: I think is true. At some point there's going to

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Speaker 2: be attrition. You can't lose Canalis, you can't lose Cohen

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Speaker 2: and think that you're just gonna be able to replace

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Speaker 2: these guys. And maybe it's caught up in Tampa. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, I want to kind of go along that.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of Liam Cohen, this is this was Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton prior to the lead up to the game on

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Speaker 2: Sunday against Jacksonville. As as you look at him and

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Speaker 2: and and you watch the tape, it you know it's

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Speaker 2: a smaller market, but you see a real good team. Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen's response after beating Denver on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Great team effort. Just thankful that you know, a small

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Speaker 4: market team like US can come into a place like

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Speaker 4: Mile High and get it done.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know it's going crazy on TikTok. Everybody's looking at

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Speaker 2: that clip. There's a couple of things within this number.

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Speaker 2: One a small market team. Sean Payton isn't saying that

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Speaker 2: they're the little engine that could. What Sean Payton was

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Speaker 2: trying to say, and I know Carrie doesn't believe, because

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Speaker 2: you think Sean Payton always has a reason, is that

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Speaker 2: people may not know how good Jacksonville is because they

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Speaker 2: don't garner a lot of national attention. Yes, and I

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Speaker 2: think that that's fair because the smallest market teams in

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Speaker 2: the National Football League uite, honestly right now are the

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Speaker 2: most popular. Yeah, it's the Packers and the Bills. Like

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Speaker 2: when you look at like the fan base of those teams,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just just huge, huge fan bases. But

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Speaker 2: in the cities that they're into, the smaller markets. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he was trying to side swipe. But what

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Speaker 2: should also be known of this is the transformation of

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen. When we all were truly introduced to Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 2: it was last year when he was introduced as the

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Speaker 2: Jaguars coach and obviously said this, okay, with that weird

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Speaker 2: look on his face. Have you seen Liam Cohen now

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Speaker 2: you're doing it as well. This transformation aviator, glasses, black hat,

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Speaker 2: black vest, black sleeve. You're not messing with me. This

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Speaker 2: transformation of Liam Cohen is amazing. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: his words for Sean Payton not the only coach he's

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Speaker 2: had words with. Remember in San Francisco earlier in the year,

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Speaker 2: when Robert Sala was trying to pay them a compliment

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Speaker 2: and Cohen's like, keep my team out of your mouth

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Speaker 2: or what like what are we doing? Like like, Liam

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Speaker 2: Cohen just enjoy the ride. But he's turned into it's

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Speaker 2: like he's over compensating for Neuvall. Now has this whole

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Speaker 2: new look due he's yelling at other head coaches taking shots.

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Speaker 2: It's a complete transformation. It's like he went on Ricky

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Speaker 2: Lake and they gave him a new makeover. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that was the talk show that did makeovers,

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Speaker 2: but they turned him around and now he's like this cool,

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Speaker 2: slick villain.

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Speaker 11: Liam Cohen has turned into the Terminator, a long black jacket, leather,

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Speaker 11: the glasses.

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Speaker 2: Play that clip again, dude, that's Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 6: Now, I love it.

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Speaker 11: I love the confidence he has his team, the pose

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Speaker 11: of his team, and they're going after that, and you know, Dan,

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Speaker 11: you cannot say that Sean Peyton didn't mean anything, because

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Speaker 11: you know, I'm not riding with that at all.

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Speaker 2: Dan. I think he was trying not to offend them.

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Speaker 2: I say, like, nobody really knows about them. But then

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Liam Coleen would have taken you know, exception

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Speaker 2: to that or take offense to that and call him

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Speaker 2: out for it. So he just called them small market,

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Speaker 2: which is true. And by the way, in the NFL

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Speaker 2: with a salary cap doesn't matter, like it's different in

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. But it's not a it's not a putdown,

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Speaker 2: it's not a it's just explaining on what it was

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Speaker 2: that maybe they weren't as popular, but whatever, use it

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Speaker 2: his motivation. But this transformation of Liam Cohen and almost

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Speaker 2: to year to me is pretty staggering. Wow, all right.

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Speaker 11: I guess for mine, the one thing that I would

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Speaker 11: talk about here in this moment we talked about this.

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Speaker 11: I talked about the sports gambling stuff and us as

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Speaker 11: fans being so you know, enraptured and captured you know,

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Speaker 11: in the involvement of what that brings us as fans

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Speaker 11: as well to the surface. I think, and I think

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Speaker 11: a lot of times we hear these allegations of like

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Speaker 11: a Terry Rogier and why he's not playing this year

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Speaker 11: and having some inside bedding situation things happening. And I

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Speaker 11: just saw the other day where the lawyers are getting

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Speaker 11: or moving to try to dismiss all the betting charges

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Speaker 11: against Terry Roseer because of the language of the league

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Speaker 11: and saying the league jumped into this and suspended him

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Speaker 11: without paying all these things in this preliminary way that

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Speaker 11: they usually do. But now it's now with the information

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Speaker 11: coming out, it's circling back around that you know, he

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Speaker 11: didn't have really anything to do with that stuff. And

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Speaker 11: so I want to talk about us jumping on the

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Speaker 11: bandwagging of you know, pointing the finger at people and

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Speaker 11: saying they're guilty before they're guilty in these situations.

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Speaker 2: You so you think Terry Rozier is innocent? Is that

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Speaker 2: what you're saying that?

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Speaker 11: I think he may have less involvement than we thought

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Speaker 11: he did at first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you think this translates into the NFL? Do

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Speaker 2: you think that we are going to have NBA sort

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Speaker 2: of betting problems like we do or have NFL betting

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Speaker 2: problems like we do? In the NBA.

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Speaker 11: I don't think we I don't think we will. I

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Speaker 11: think with the NFL, you can have one guy that

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Speaker 11: can mess up a game, and I think that usually

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Speaker 11: boils down to the quarterback and the kicker because they

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Speaker 11: control so much of it. You would think that the

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Speaker 11: quarterbacks and kickers would be a little bit more, have

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Speaker 11: a little bit more integrity because they are isolated so

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Speaker 11: much that it'll be hard for them to throw a

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Speaker 11: game or to help somebody on the outside to cash

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Speaker 11: in on the bet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can imagine them taking a running back off

631
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Speaker 2: and going into the tent and be like, nothing's wrong.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how just the ankle feels sore. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just can't. No, he's final to go in and

634
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Speaker 2: like it'd be tough to do in the NFL to

635
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Speaker 2: try to hit a rushing under like Terry Rozier would.

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Speaker 6: I think that there's like a Carrie just did it again.

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Speaker 9: And I'm not saying I'm not I'm not pointing out

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Speaker 9: that that you're wrong here about it. I find it

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Speaker 9: interesting because I got into a uh I got into

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Speaker 9: a Twitter spat recently with an NFL influencer about he's like,

641
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Speaker 9: man that the referee in today could not be worse.

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Speaker 9: And my thing is, like, if you think about it

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Speaker 9: this way, if there are referee crews being compromised, Okay,

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Speaker 9: you basically just said that, it would have to be

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Speaker 9: the kicker or the quarterback. Yeah, I don't for whatever reason,

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Speaker 9: the officials are given this massive pass or we just

647
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Speaker 9: have a blind spot with officiating crews, they don't make

648
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Speaker 9: a whole lot of money, and they would be the

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Speaker 9: the the people that could most control these things. And

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Speaker 9: if you did have a compromise crew, wouldn't it look

651
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Speaker 9: like a mess? Wouldn't you be scratching her head like

652
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Speaker 9: all game at certain calls? Why why would he call that?

653
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Speaker 9: Why wouldn't he call that? Like when you're talking about

654
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Speaker 9: gambling and how it's entered sports. Yeah, and then the

655
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Speaker 9: people that have the most influenced to alter results. I

656
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Speaker 9: think that NFL officials, for whatever reason, kind of get

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Speaker 9: a pass on this. And I just have a feeling

658
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Speaker 9: when if if not not not if, but when there's

659
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Speaker 9: a major NFL gambling scandal, there's going to be an

660
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Speaker 9: officiating crew in like the forefront of the charges.

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Speaker 2: See, I think that I think the only reasons that

662
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Speaker 2: refs would make bad causes so they can get on TV. Ah.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's kukin akuis that's because they have a

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Speaker 2: dream text. Last week, he's so smart. He said that

665
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Speaker 2: the officiating in the NFL is a little suss. Oh

666
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Speaker 2: with that a real tweet. That was well. He tweeted

667
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Speaker 2: then after the Seahawks game about all the people who

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Speaker 2: yelled at him about his comments about the referees, saying

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Speaker 2: that the refs cost them, but his point was he

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Speaker 2: thinks refs throw passing her rants flags, which by the way,

671
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Speaker 2: would benefit benefit him. Do you want to Oh, we

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Speaker 2: got it. Let's let's see it. Let's straight straight from Puka.

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Speaker 12: The worst because there's just some of the rules aren't then,

674
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Speaker 12: like these guys want to be These guys are lawyers

675
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Speaker 12: and like they want.

676
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Speaker 2: To be on TV too.

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Speaker 3: Brother, like the game, you don't think he's he's texting

678
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Speaker 3: his friends.

679
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Speaker 2: In the group chat, like Yo, you guys just saw

680
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Speaker 2: many Sunday night football like that. Like that wasn't p

681
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Speaker 2: I like, but I called it was serious that. I mean,

682
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Speaker 2: these guys are noble humans. Wow, that is a conversation

683
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Speaker 2: that sounds like it could be on Mars, Like like

684
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Speaker 2: in the in the guys and I know they're streamers,

685
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Speaker 2: and I know they have millions of followers, but to

686
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Speaker 2: be like, no, no way, take me to your leader there.

687
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Like that's is that especially strange a comment coming

688
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Speaker 13: from an NFL player and it could just be come

689
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Speaker 13: from a fan, and a fan would sound delusional saying

690
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Speaker 13: it a guy who's been playing professional football for several

691
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Speaker 13: years also.

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Speaker 2: He should know better. I also don't think that it

693
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Speaker 2: was looked at enough that this is a guy who

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Speaker 2: would then benefit from said rev throwing a flag on

695
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Speaker 2: an offense on a pass interference call, right, so he

696
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Speaker 2: would benefit, his team would benefit. But he's saying, yeah,

697
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Speaker 2: this stuff is sus man, this stuff is really sus Can.

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Speaker 11: I take my Tuesday morning quarterback back? That's another thing, Dan,

699
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Speaker 11: I I hate.

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Speaker 9: You know.

701
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Speaker 11: I've talked about it before, these players speaking on these

702
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Speaker 11: podcasts and thinking that it's not going to be heard

703
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Speaker 11: by the whole world, like that medium has taken over

704
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Speaker 11: our consumption, consumption of like media and so when you

705
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Speaker 11: say these things, it's fair game. Michael Porter Junior is

706
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Speaker 11: the same way saying a lot of the things back.

707
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Speaker 2: In the day. I've had podcasts that have been listened

708
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Speaker 2: to by nobody, So it's not all of them. Iowa, Sam,

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Speaker 2: I'll be quick here.

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Speaker 10: We're nearing the end of the season. There's a lot

711
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Speaker 10: of candidates who could be AP Coach of the Year.

712
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Speaker 10: I'll just list a few. Dan you are guy, Mike

713
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Speaker 10: McDonald could have very well be a candidate. Ben Johnson

714
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Speaker 10: could be a candidate for Coach of the Year, Sean Payton,

715
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Speaker 10: Dimico Ryans. But if you look at the coaching jobs

716
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Speaker 10: that Kyle Shanahan of the Niners have done and Jim

717
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Speaker 10: Harbaugh of the Chargers navigating injuries, and you maybe flip

718
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Speaker 10: a coin between those two. But if I had to

719
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Speaker 10: pick one of those two, Kyle Shanahan or Jim Harbaugh,

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Speaker 10: I'd probably give it to Jim Harbaugh just for how

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Speaker 10: much how many injuries they've had. Najee Harris, They've had

722
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Speaker 10: injuries on the offensive line, and here they are, They're

723
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Speaker 10: going to the playoffs for consecutive years for the first

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Speaker 10: time in I think two thousand and eight, two thousand

725
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Speaker 10: and nine. So for the charters to be in this

726
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Speaker 10: position where they are with all these injuries, Jason can

727
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Speaker 10: speak to this pretty impressive to have them eleven wins

728
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Speaker 10: right now.

729
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Speaker 2: Jason shocked that they have a chance of the division.

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Speaker 2: So you said.

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Speaker 9: Yesterday, right, it's like an outside shot at the number

732
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Speaker 9: one seed, chance that they control their destiny for the division.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, No, to Sam's point, Harbaugh, he's been like

734
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Speaker 9: a miracle worker since he got on campus. There's nothing

735
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Speaker 9: thing that he could do that will surprise me at

736
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Speaker 9: this point, and that includes cheat.

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Speaker 2: Well everybody else doesn't. Chris Burphett, you want to wrap

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Speaker 2: this up with your Tuesday Morning quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's it's one that's maybe flying under the

740
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Speaker 5: radar a bit. We know the Dolphins bench to a

741
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Speaker 5: tongue of ailoa. Before this, they trotted out Quinn yours

742
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Speaker 5: and it was even more of a disaster. I'm just

743
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Speaker 5: and I know Mike McDonald's come is like pretty much

744
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Speaker 5: certified to come back next year. But Mike McDaniel, excuse me,

745
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Speaker 5: I said Donald, But like, I'm just I'm kind of

746
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 5: tired of doing this with the Dolphins where they start

747
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Speaker 5: losing six of their first seven, they rattle off four

748
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Speaker 5: straight and injects a little bit of life and a

749
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Speaker 5: little bit of hope to the what that what this

750
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Speaker 5: could be again, and then it just it peters out

751
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Speaker 5: like this.

752
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Speaker 6: This This offensive line is not good at all.

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Speaker 5: Their quarterback situation is as bad as it can get

754
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Speaker 5: because I'm assuming Tuas not coming back this year. You

755
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Speaker 5: don't make that kind of benching if you're not done

756
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Speaker 5: with Tua. You're not getting that performance out of Quinn

757
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 5: yours or Zach Wilson. And I don't know who you're

758
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Speaker 5: bringing in in the offseason they have besides Levon, they

759
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Speaker 5: don't really have a lot that stands out for their roster.

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Speaker 5: It all screams it needs a hard reset, and it

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Speaker 5: just leads me back to once again that that Mike

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Speaker 5: McDaniel will be back next year. And it brings me

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Speaker 5: to a phrase I've fallen in love with. What should

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Speaker 5: be done, what will be done eventually, should be done immediately.

765
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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure why this team continues to kick

766
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Speaker 5: the can down the road just because they win four

767
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Speaker 5: games in November every year.

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Speaker 2: Like this, I had I had an issue with what

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins have done. We've talked about it a bunch,

770
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Speaker 2: but the one about Mike McDaniels. I like Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: I actually I really do, and I think that they're thinking,

772
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Speaker 2: and I agree with this, is if you actually maxed

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Speaker 2: out TUA to get us into the playoffs as a

774
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Speaker 2: wild card, then you can do something. Imagine if you

775
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: can get that franchise type of player working with Mike McDaniel,

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Speaker 2: I think that's their hope. This is also a Dolphins

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Speaker 2: franchise that not so long ago was loaded with first

778
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Speaker 2: round picks. It's why they were able to maybe offer

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Speaker 2: the Bengals the four first round picks in the year

780
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Speaker 2: that they were gonna draft Joe Burrow in twenty twenty.

781
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Speaker 2: But they kind of wasted some of those first round picks.

782
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Speaker 2: They had one docked because of tampering with Tom Brady

783
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Speaker 2: and Sean Payton. So they've really kind of fumbled the

784
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Speaker 2: bag in Miami. And to your point about needing a reset,

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Speaker 2: I really like Mike McDaniel. I think that he should

786
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: stay along, but I do think to Chris's point, there's

787
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: more work to do, especially trying to get out from

788
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Speaker 2: under this two accounts.

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Speaker 6: They're going to be picking tenth as well. This year.

790
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Speaker 5: It's kind of they're they're sliding away from those top

791
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 5: cream picks just because they keep pushing so hard near.

792
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Speaker 2: The end of the season. Well, that's what they're not

793
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: doing now, and that's why they're playing with yours is

794
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: they're trying to move up the draft.

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Speaker 11: I like Mike McDaniel's as well, but I think he's

796
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Speaker 11: an offensive coordinator in my opinion.

797
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Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel right now your coach of the year favorite,

798
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Speaker 2: and Mike Frable.

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Speaker 10: I keep understial Patriots. I mean I keep yourself a wait,

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Speaker 10: Liam Cones plus seven, I did not write Liam Cohen down.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, than the top two, you

802
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Speaker 6: did a good job.

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Speaker 2: Shanahan and McDonald are plus three p thirty. It's one

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Speaker 2: specific spots and that's Tuesday Morning Quarterback Tuesday Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Here you have it your Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: afternoon on the Don dot Lean Show. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday to you. Maybe a vacation for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. Is the Christmas holidays just a couple of

812
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: days away? Merry Christmas? Do you carry roads? Merry Christmas?

813
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Speaker 2: Are you? Dan Carrie and I got together yesterday During

814
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: all the week sixteen action and my how things have

815
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: changed even with the games happening less than twenty four

816
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: hours ago, including this drama in Motown between DK Metcalf

817
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: and Detroit Lions fan Jason Stewart is here Iowa Sam

818
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: hanging out, as is Isaac lohencrom Have you heard about

819
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: trainer games? Carrie? Add this to your binge list. Ten

820
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: athletes go head to head for the chance to win

821
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: an iFIT trainer contract with two hundred and fifty thousand

822
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Speaker 2: dollars streaming on Prime Video starting January eighth.

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Speaker 11: You don't sign up, I'll watch it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little too late. Right now, you know who

825
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: else is fit? Dk Metcalf is right. DK Metcalf really

826
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Speaker 2: came onto the NFL stage with that side by side

827
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Speaker 2: picture of him and aj Brown flexing in the weight room,

828
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Speaker 2: right like that was the emergence of DK Metcalf before

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Speaker 2: he ever stepped onto an NFL field. You then have

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. One of the lasting images of DK Metcalf

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Speaker 2: is chasing down Buddha Baker because he's running down the

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Speaker 2: sidelines in Arizona as a member of the Seahawks. The

833
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf chases down Buddha Baker, and we talk about

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Speaker 2: the speed, and we talk about the hustle and the

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Speaker 2: desire of DK Metcalf. Unfortunately, this year we've been talking

836
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Speaker 2: a lot about what's the deal with DK Metcalf, And

837
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Speaker 2: now we have quite a deal with DK Metcalf, as

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Speaker 2: he got in the face of a Lions fan during

839
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Speaker 2: yesterday's game in Detroit, and now it's gotten to the

840
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Speaker 2: point where the fan has hired a lawyer. NFL insiders

841
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: are weighing in all from a game that we should

842
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: be talking about how the Steelers stole from the Lions

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Speaker 2: and went into Detroit and grabbed the victory to ensure

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Speaker 2: their tight grasp on the AFC North that they have

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Speaker 2: right now, but we aren't talking about that. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about DK and this fan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a crazy moment.

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Speaker 11: We were actually here in the building and doing some

850
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Speaker 11: work and watching some of the games, and I know

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Speaker 11: we were going through a conversation and I saw it

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Speaker 11: flash in front of my eyes as it was happening live,

853
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Speaker 11: and I was like, Oh, that's not good, Dk Metcalf,

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Speaker 11: And then obviously I think the conversation kind of went

855
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Speaker 11: along a little further with me and you and you

856
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Speaker 11: were like, I think that that fan probably did something,

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Speaker 11: you know, like if the fan did something, I can understand,

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Speaker 11: but not in not in DK's actions. Obviously you don't

859
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 11: attack a fan, but these fans are getting really brash

860
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Speaker 11: and they're getting a little bit out of pocket, and

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00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 11: some of the things they're saying, and so the fact

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Speaker 11: that there's no live mike in the area to hear

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Speaker 11: what's being said, really I have to kind of reserve judgment,

864
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 11: but I want to hear what you got. What you

865
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 11: think about a day.

866
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 2: Well, I told you yesterday that I thought that if

867
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: you're a fan that yells something to a player that

868
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: forces them to respond to you, especially during game action,

869
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: you're a loser. It is if you have I understand

870
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: getting under somebody's skin by saying maybe they went three

871
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: for twenty from the field. But if you say something

872
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: that gets under the skin of a player and that

873
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: player responds in a certain way, I think that you've

874
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: got to find better things to do as a fan.

875
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 11: And see, that's my and that's what we disagree, because

876
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 11: there is a moment of me as a player.

877
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Right.

878
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 11: People have said all kinds of things and it doesn't

879
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 11: bother me. But you know, and so I will say, like,

880
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 11: as a player, you can't be sensitive in those moments

881
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 11: or no, obviously I told you you can't react in

882
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 11: those moments. You're trying to win a big game and

883
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 11: you gotta be focused on that. The next series. What

884
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 11: did he do? He came out and dropped a little

885
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 11: simple dig route right, like you got to be locked in. Now,

886
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 11: it depends on what they said, what he said doing,

887
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 11: and there are some circumstances about around what he said

888
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 11: that isn't that isn't clear.

889
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: Now what the fans said was that he said DK

890
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: Metcalf's government name. I thought he said as Chaos was small. Oh,

891
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: he didn't say that. He said what DK may have

892
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: gone up into the stands if that was the case.

893
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: But the fan claims that he was calling him de

894
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Kaylin's acarious Metcalf, which was his that's what DK stands for, wow,

895
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: and that's what DK was upset about. That was the

896
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: fans side of things. I don't believe that. You don't

897
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: you don't believe that. No, you don't think that he

898
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: was just saying that, you know, like when Russell Westbrook

899
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: was called Wes Brick, and he stood up for himself,

900
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: and he stood up for his name, which I can understand,

901
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm proud of my name, you should be proud

902
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: of your name. Russell westbrook Is it's his family name,

903
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: it's his you know, his family that he has, his

904
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: family that came before him. Stand up for it. I've

905
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: been known to make silly puns on names, but ultimately

906
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: just ingest I feel like this was a part of that.

907
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: So while I say that if you're a fan that

908
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: makes another player respond, this is a really really low ball.

909
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: This is a really really low bar. So I was

910
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: waiting to hear more, and then we started to hear more.

911
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: Carry Rhodes and this is what something just doesn't smell right.

912
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: This was Chad Ocho Cinco with Shannon Sharp on the

913
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: Nightcap talking about the interaction and what Ocho heard was

914
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: said to DK Metcalf. I got word.

915
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 12: Obviously, I'm knocking doing you know, putting your hands on

916
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 12: the fan or punching the fan. But he did call

917
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 12: a racial slurry, called him the in word, and he

918
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 12: did call his mama. And I think with those words

919
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 12: being exchanged and the fans saying that, I think that's

920
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 12: where the action, you know, occurred where where he threw

921
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 12: I think he threw a punch. I'm not sure if

922
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 12: he connected or or whatever. But he did call him

923
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 12: the in word, and he called his mama, mama.

924
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: I guess word you say the sea word? Oh my bad?

925
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: That's bad, yes, bad, terrible, It's terrible. Okay? Is that bad?

926
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: I can't take any of my from I actually think

927
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: like that's like the new number one. It's right, like

928
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: like of of you know, I mean, yeah, but there's

929
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: none of this was said. I am sorry that that

930
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: that did not happen, that relaying of event did not happen.

931
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: The fan has actually now gotten representation, has hired a

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: lawyer and vehemently denies what chad Ocho Cenko said that

933
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: The fan said to DK metcalf, do you believe o

934
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: Cho Senko or do you believe this fan who says

935
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: he never said it. I don't believe either one.

936
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 11: I think there's something in the middle because if he reacted,

937
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 11: if DK reacted the way he reacted with the fan

938
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 11: quote unquote saying his full name, and he reacted that way,

939
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 11: that doesn't sit well with me. But also on the

940
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 11: other end of that as well, if that fan said

941
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 11: the racial slur and called the mom the other thing,

942
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 11: he would have reacted even bigger than that. And so

943
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 11: if it's somewhere in the middle, and I don't think

944
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 11: we'll ever actually know until they handle this in court.

945
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's why I think it's now starting to

946
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: become a cover up for DK Metcalf, because now you're

947
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: hearing all these stories that are coming out. This is

948
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: a fan who dressed up in a blue wig. All right,

949
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: this is right. This is a guy who has fifty

950
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: yard line seats as well at Lions games. And you

951
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: think that he's going to spend the thousands upon thousands

952
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: of dollars to yell these hateful things at players on

953
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: the opposing bench. He probably pays the money to call

954
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: him by his government name. It's probably what he does.

955
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: And yesterday when we were here, I thought, man, that's

956
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: garbage from the fan for whatever he said to be

957
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, and I am completely Now on the other side,

958
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: I think that DK Metcalf and the Steelers and these

959
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: sources that are going to NFL insiders are now trying

960
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: to concoct this story that this fan said this vicious thing.

961
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: The DK Metcalf that DK had to respond in the

962
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: only way that he could, and that is to physically

963
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: throw a slap, punch, whatever it was, towards the fan

964
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: because of Howard gregious of the things that the fan said.

965
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: And when I look at the video and I see

966
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: the fans around two seats away as a boy in

967
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: a Santa camp An Alliance Santa caap, his mom is

968
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: sitting between him and the fan. I don't know if

969
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: they're together. I have no idea. No one responded in

970
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: a way where if you were to hear those words

971
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: that they claim that he said, everybody is just sitting there.

972
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 2: I guarantee you say that stuff at a football game,

973
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: that there are people around that would gladly point out

974
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: that fan. And now the NFL machine is trying to

975
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: concoct this story that DK Metcalf is not only a

976
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: victim because of what was said, that this fan also

977
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: said things to him last year when he was a

978
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: member of the Seahawks. And I I don't think this

979
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: fan is like, you know what, I didn't get under

980
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: his skin enough last year. Let me use some racial

981
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: slurs and just completely totally insult his mother. I just

982
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: don't think that that's not reality. And that's the thing

983
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: that now annoys me about this is I hated that

984
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: the fan did this, and now I see how thin

985
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: a skin the k Metcalf has. It's completely bogus on

986
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: the Steelers wide receivers part.

987
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 11: Damn, just letting you know it right now, you're sitting really,

988
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 11: you're sitting like arm's length away from me. If you

989
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 11: call me Carrie Dwayne Rose, it's a problem, just so

990
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 11: you understand that. Yeah, just every Sam Jason, I think

991
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 11: you guys, guys hear this. Just make sure you guys

992
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 11: are aware. But no, I mean when you talk about DK,

993
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 11: were talking about DK in this situation, Dan I got said.

994
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 11: For me, as a player and being a former player,

995
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 11: like these things happen, and so the racial slur, whatever

996
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 11: the thing is, whatever happened in that moment, it still

997
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 11: doesn't warrant him putting his hands on him. And so

998
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 11: for me, it's just it's all bogus. And then when

999
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 11: you talk about the Nightcap and you talk about OO

1000
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 11: and those guys like you can't take OTO serious for anything,

1001
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 11: he says anyway, So you just got to kind of,

1002
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 11: you know, move along.

1003
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: I agree, Well, I agree to some sense, but there

1004
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: is a weight in who o Cho Senko is. He's

1005
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: a former player and so now in that circles and

1006
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: he has the platform to do so this is this

1007
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: is crazy. Jason's Stuart, our executive producer, We've also seen

1008
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: this before at times. But I just I have a

1009
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: tough time believing that that's actually what was said to

1010
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: DK metcalf.

1011
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 9: I do too, And maybe as a middle aged white guy,

1012
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 9: I shouldn't have an opinion on this, but you would

1013
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 9: think after the whole Jesse Smolette thing m combined with

1014
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 9: the Miles Garrett thing from twenty nineteen where that was

1015
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 9: never even resolved, Like I can't imagine that Mason Rudolph

1016
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 9: said that, and it is still a quarterback in the NFL. Like,

1017
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 9: so when you have these allegations, it does much more

1018
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 9: harm to the actual real allegations. And that's that's the

1019
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 9: problem I have with this. If they're playing this card,

1020
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 9: and I think you do leave the kind of zaniness

1021
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 9: of Ocho Cinco, like carry said, he's not to be

1022
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 9: taken seriously. Maybe this is a thing, but I do

1023
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 9: agree with Dan there somebody is trying to mitigate the

1024
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 9: punishment the Steelers have very important games coming up. To

1025
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 9: lose dk Metcalf, the punishment it would be less severe

1026
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 9: if everyone buys this version of the story that's true.

1027
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 11: No, and then and the other part about it, we

1028
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 11: don't know, right, Like, think about all the cameras, all

1029
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 11: the mics, all the hot mics that are on an

1030
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 11: NFL field rightack, the quarterback usually has a headset or

1031
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 11: a camera that that they communicate with with the coaches

1032
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 11: and all that stuff. And you didn't hear about the

1033
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 11: racial slur from Mason Rudolf never came out. But with

1034
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 11: that one being on the sideline, it's just like the

1035
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 11: prime spot where there's almost like the blind spot of

1036
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 11: audio and media in that spot.

1037
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: How many of your teammates if they heard somebody yelling

1038
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: those things about you and your family, how many of

1039
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: your teammates would step up under the response, Yes, there

1040
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: wasn't one teammate even close. There weren't eight or nine

1041
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: guys pointing that to him, get them out of here,

1042
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: or eight guys wanting to climb the wall and take

1043
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: care of their own business. It's one guy. And the

1044
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: funny thing is is I I really like Tom Pallisero

1045
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: of the NFL network. I think that he does a

1046
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: great job, but he was the one that said out

1047
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: this tweet that said DK Metcalf had a history with

1048
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: this fan dating back to last year. That's all adding

1049
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: to this narrative and this story that it's not DK

1050
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: Metcalf's fault. If I'm Ryan Kennedy and by the way,

1051
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: that's the fans name. If I'm Ryan Kennedy, yeah, I

1052
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 2: am hiring a lawyer like it's now it's I mean,

1053
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: he's bringing a knife to a gunfight. If now the

1054
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: NFL and the Pittsburgh Steelers and all these other people

1055
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: are coming at him saying that he's the one that

1056
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: did wrong. I again, there's a line with fans, I think.

1057
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: But now you see how the NFL and the Steelers

1058
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: are trying to spin it. It just it stinks like

1059
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: it's really a bad look And I don't believe a

1060
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: word of it from from DK Metcalf or any of

1061
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: the people that want to spread this narrative.

1062
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I agree with that point. I don't think

1063
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 11: that's what was said. And also when I agree with

1064
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 11: the fan bringing, you know, hiring a lawyer and lawyering

1065
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 11: up because this is now if he didn't say that,

1066
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 11: becoming a defamation thing, right, So he has to do

1067
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 11: something to protect himself.

1068
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: A source close to Metcalf says, the fan called Metcalf's

1069
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: mom a derogatory word, and that was also what Osho

1070
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Sinko said. So this was from Yahoo Sports. So again

1071
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: they're trying to trying to build a band or a little,

1072
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 2: spin a little it's scoring one hundred and fifty miles

1073
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: an hour on icy road? Icy road? Is it icy? Yeah? Crazy?

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Speaker 2: Patriots come back beat the Ravens last night? Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Steelers and Aaron Rodgers somehow survived the Lions in that game.

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Speaker 2: Who cares? But this is what we're talking about. He

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Speaker 2: has carry roads. I'm Dan Bayer. That is Jason Stewart Iowa.

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Speaker 2: Sam's here as a glowing crown carry up at Kerry

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Speaker 2: twenty five Roads. You can find me at Dan Byer

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Speaker 2: on Fox