1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode thirty six. We have 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: an exciting episode today. I will be interviewing elite runner 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Dina Caster. She is the winner of the Chicago Marathon, 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: the London Marathon. She was a bronze medalist in Athens 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Olympics in two thousand and four, and she is also 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: a working mom. So she's going to talk about all 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: of that with us. She has a new book out 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: today the day this book this podcast is long April ten. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Her book is called Let Your Mind Run, and it's 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: partly a memoir about her athletic career, which is ongoing, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: but about the first part of it, and also a 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: self help book telling readers how they can sort of 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: harness their mental energy really develop their mental game to 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: get better at whatever they want to do. So fascinating read. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 1: Highly recommend you pick it up. But I'll be talking 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: to Dina later in this episode. But first, Sarah, Yeah, 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: this was the first one that I wasn't able to 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: be present for because you know, somehow Dina's just not 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: able to arrange her schedule to my work whims So absolutely, 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: uh no, I was very I completely understand that, but 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: it was very sad to miss this one. But it 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: was fascinating to hear them. I've listened to the cut 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: of them, and I think it's a treat and it's 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: such a exciting thing for us to have someone's so 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: cool who's such amazing things on this podcast, although that 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: is true of all of our podcasts. Yeah. Well, I 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: mean one of the reasons we're both so interested in 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Dana is because fan girls girls. We've both been running 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: for years, and she's been very involved in the distance 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: running community, which is a really cool thing to be 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, have have people at the top of the 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: sport be involved in it for the rest of us. 42 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: But when did you take up running. I ran very 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: casually in high school in college, and when I say casually, 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: like I'm talking about like twenty minutes on the treadmill 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: kind of things. I think by college I was going 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: outside for little three mile runs in the New England hills, 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: so that was kind of nice. But I didn't start 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: running longer distances until after I met my husband and 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: sort of saw that he was doing it and felt 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: like maybe that's something anyone could do, and he kind 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: of convinced me that it was. And it didn't take 52 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: too long before I sort of realized that it was 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and kind of addictive in that 54 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: reaching and setting a goal kind of way. So I 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: ran my first marathon in two thousand and four, No, 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: I lied two thousand and five, and then I ran 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: another one in two thousand and six and another one 58 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. I've done four total. And 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: it's hilarious that we're even talking about our running in 60 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: the same podcast. The Dina castor is going to be 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: talking because I'm not good. I mean, my PR is 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: three hours and forty eight minutes and I couldn't even 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: run close to that. Now, that was like pre kids, 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: when I had lots and lots of time to train, 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: and whenever I dial it up to anywhere near to 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: get any faster, I get injured. So I'm like another 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: species from Dina Castor. But I still really really enjoy 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: the sort of challenge that comes with running, and I 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: find it very calming for me mentally, so I do 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: look forward to bringing it back into my life. I'm 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: actually on my first what I would call true running hiatus. 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I ran through every pregnancy. I think I 73 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: ran a half marathon like six months after having Annabelle. Well, 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: for some odd reason, I'm just in no hurry this time. 75 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: I think it's I'm a little bit more tired, I'm 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a little bit older, I'm a little bit more crazy 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: about the whole milk and pumping things. So I'm just 78 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: sort of and I guess I have a much greater 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: perspective that this is such a short phase and I 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: know I'll be back to it, So I'm just kind 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: of chilling right now. Yeah, but it's not that people 82 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: can't run postpartum. Just oh no, I totally yeah, I did. 83 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Oh A doctor is not running after well, I ran 84 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: after the other two pregnancies, so that's what I was saying. 85 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I did it. I was doing pretty long distances pretty 86 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: quickly after Annabelle. I think there's no right answer. It's 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: definitely not one size, but it fits all, or even 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: the same person might find that different strategies work in 89 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: different times of their lives. And you ran through all 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: your pregnancies too, didn't you, or at least through most 91 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: of them. Tell us you're running history. So yeah, I 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: started running a lot later than you did. I had 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: tried here and there, but it had never really taken 94 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: until shortly after I got married in two thousand and four, 95 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: the same thing as you, you you know, I see my 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: husband doing it, and I'm like, well, that's something we 97 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: could do together. And then I was particularly inspired. I 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: happened to turn on the TV and see the New 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: York City Marathon in November of two thousand and four 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: and saw Paula Radcliffe when that which if any of 101 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: our listeners are distance running junkies, remember that was the 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: one where she had to duke it out at the end, 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: like she won by like two oh yeah, after after 104 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: twenty six miles, like it's usually not that tight at 105 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: the end of a marathon like that. But they were battling, 106 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: and so I was I was so taken by this. 107 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I like went out for a run afterwards and then 108 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: stuck with it and my new husband at the time 109 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: and I ran together a lot, and then we ran 110 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: our first half marathon together on our first anniversary, so 111 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: that was aw. That's so kidding. Yeah, he's still he 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: does some we had kids, and then we like never 113 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: ran together again. Basically, I get it because we're always 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: trading off, right, Like, you know, one person takes the 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: kids so the other king go for a run or 116 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: then you know, it's it's I've definitely stuck with it 117 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: a lot more than he has. I think it's a 118 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: similar situation with you and Josh from what I've just 119 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: read of your blog posts and stuff, that you got 120 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: into running because of him, but then you do it 121 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: more seriously. Well these days, actually, he tends to be 122 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: more of a like he has a lot of peaks 123 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: and valleys in his training, so he's either really really 124 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: serious or he's like not doing it at all, and 125 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: he's sort of back in a little bit of a 126 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: running renaissance, maybe because I'm not doing it, so who knows. 127 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: But he's a fast right, he's a training and then yeah, 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I can't really run with him because 129 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm too slow. He's actually like he was, you know, 130 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: a cross country runner and track runner in high school 131 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: and he ran on Duke's team for a year. Like 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: he's actually has talent and I just have some persistence. 133 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: But that's it. I would say that Sarah, Sarah is 134 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: probably faster than I am. We the one time, well, 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: the first time we met in person, we went for 136 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: a run together and you were pregnant, so I was pregnant. Yes, 137 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: so that was I'll put that up. Maybe that's the 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: reason I was slow, but we were not slow. It 139 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: was awesome. I can't wait to do it again. Yeah, 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I'd love to you sometime. Yeah. No, I've now been 141 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: on my running streak for about four hundred and fifty days. 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Knock on wood. That amazing. You know. I was actually 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: feeling a little not into it the other morning. So 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think you should just quit randomly, randomly, 145 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: I know, not for any reason exactly, just like on 146 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: a Tuesday, be like it's over. That's probably what will happen. 147 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see. But you know, it's it's 148 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: a fun sport like I feel, it's also like a 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean, a good sport for people have a lot 150 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: going on in their lives too, because you can just 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: do a little bit and you can move it around 152 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: everything else, you know, whereas getting to that certain spin 153 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: class at your gym at six pm is always going 154 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: to be a battle. But yeah, it's definitely flexible. You 155 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: can do a little bit or a lot. You can 156 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: do it really gently and kind of in a relaxing way, 157 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: or you know, through pregnancy, I did a lot of 158 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: like run walking, so or you can do intervals and 159 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: make it really challenging. Like it has a lot of 160 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I agree facets to it. And the fact that we 161 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: can discuss it and enjoy it, and then an Olympic 162 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: athlete can kind of discuss some of the same things. 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: That kind of goes to show how incredibly flexible of 164 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: a sport it is that we can all get something 165 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: out of it. Sounds good. Well, we're about to have 166 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: Dina Castor on the program, so we'll be back with that. Well, Dina, 167 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the program. I 168 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I also want to tell you that 169 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this book, I love to let your 170 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: mind run, both as a slow distance runner myself, but 171 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: also as a writer who's always thinking about how to 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, push my craft forward, how can I get 173 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, deeper thinking about it? So I really appreciated that. 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Then that means so much because to me this book, 175 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: in writing it, I just wanted it to be more 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: of a service book, an instructional style memoir, just because 177 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I was raised in a family that was supportive and privileged, 178 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: and I just feel that I didn't come from a 179 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: war torn country or have any drama in my life 180 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: except that I really tried to push to get the 181 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: best out of myself, which is very universal. Yeah, and 182 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: it's an amazing story of that and what you can 183 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: accomplish when you put your mind to it. But you know, 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: for all your success and running, I was interested to 185 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: see that running was not the first sport you tried. 186 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: You had a slightly less illustrious career in softball and 187 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: figure skating, right gosh, and soccer, I mean, you name it. 188 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: My parents thought that sports were the answer to having 189 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: great role models and making sure that you could choose 190 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: to hang out with the right crowd. When me and 191 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: my sister were going through school, so they had us 192 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: try it at multiple sports, but they were all boring 193 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: or required coordination which I didn't have. And so it 194 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: wasn't until I fell into running that I really found 195 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: my stride. You go people that you know. Just because 196 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: your kid is picking daisies in the outfield while playing 197 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: softball doesn't mean she won't someday win the London Marathon. 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: But you had a lot of You had a lot 199 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: of success as a young runner, but then you almost 200 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: abandoned it after college, like by your senior year, you're 201 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: just not as into a well, well, I guess I 202 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: tried to bring it out in the book without being 203 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: too bahambug about it. But I had been told from 204 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: a very young age that I was talented, and I 205 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: think that subconsciously, when you're told that time and time 206 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: again when you're when you're out there, you subconsciously lose 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: the desire or even knowledge of what drive and practice 208 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: and and and the journey is actually all about. And 209 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: so I didn't know, even though I had been running 210 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: for so many years, I didn't really understand running at 211 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: all or success at all until I fell into the 212 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: arms of coach b Hill. And he talked about work 213 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: ethic and living in athletes lifestyle and really started working 214 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: on my mental game. And that's when it clicked to 215 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: me what getting reaching our potential was really all about. 216 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: And so I let go of that idea of what 217 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: talent was in my mind, let go of that idea 218 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: that it was this fixed trait, and started started really 219 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: working at it. And that's when success started to become 220 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: a lot easier. Yeah, because you write in the book 221 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: that you actually didn't see the connection between what happened 222 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: in practice had what happened to me, which is embarrassing 223 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: because I also had really great coaches. But it's not 224 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: intuitive necessarily that like, oh, if here's something I specifically 225 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: want to get better at, here's how I need to 226 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: work it. And it takes a good coach, right. And 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: I saw no connection between the rest of the remainder 228 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: of my day, Like I could push hard for the 229 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: couple of hours that I was at practice, but I 230 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: saw no connection on how I lived my day. My mindset, 231 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: didn't see how that coordinated or inhibited what I was 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: trying to what I was trying to accomplish. So I 233 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: had high goals, I just had not a clue in 234 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: the world that that my mindset and lifestyle could have 235 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: such a critical role in being able to pursue that. Yeah, now, 236 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: when you went and started training with coach v Hill, 237 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: you know a lot of our listeners are really into 238 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: the idea of finding a good mentor finding someone who's 239 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: going to help bring them to the next level. What 240 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: was it about him that made him such a good 241 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: coach for you? What did you do? I think that 242 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: he put the onus on me. He made me accountable 243 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: for what for what I was doing. Whether I was 244 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: succeeding or failing on any given day, it was it 245 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: was me. It wasn't the training program that was wrong. 246 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: It was because I wasn't resting well enough, or maybe 247 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't my greatest cheerleader on that day. I might 248 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: have been a little self destructive in my thoughts. And 249 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: he always put it back on me. And I loved that. 250 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: I loved that that he both gave me the power 251 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: to reach my goals but also the blame if if 252 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: I fell short and and it was just about inching 253 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: along that you don't you know, success is it made overnight, 254 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: which is such a cliched term, but It's just about 255 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: chiseling away at your at your at your strengths and 256 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: relying on them, but also being able to identify and 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: pay attention to places that you can really perform at 258 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a better level. And so I think he really taught 259 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: me the art of paying attention, yeah, both to your 260 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: body and how the practice is going and how you're thinking, 261 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: which is a big aspect of it that this book 262 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: talks about. So earlier in your career, you were running 263 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, competitive five, case, ten case. What was it 264 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: that finally drew you to the marathon? Oh? I had 265 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: the sort of the DEMI run near my parents' house 266 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: in southern California. They live next to the Santa Monica 267 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Mountains trailheads in multiple directions, and this one day, I 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: just finally got to this trail that I always wanted 269 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: to run. It was nine miles to the beach and 270 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: back in a place called Sycamore Canyon, And anybody that 271 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: lives in southern California, I think will attest to that 272 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: being one of their favorite places to run and explore. 273 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: And so I finally got to that trailhead, and I 274 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: was so nervous and intimidated with the distance because I 275 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: had never run eighteen miles before. The longest I had 276 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: run was fifteen. That I took it real easy in 277 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: the beginning of the run, taking in the scenery, which 278 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: I love to do both as inspiration and as a 279 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of a diversion of what might, what might, what 280 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: pain might come in the future miles. But I really 281 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: was just taking it all in, taking in the scene. 282 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: And I arrived at the beach thinking Okay, I think 283 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: I can do this, and started started heading back and 284 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: I just got this momentum and this energy that wow, 285 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: I was doing it. When we there's I think moments 286 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of our lives where we're surprised by 287 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: our strength, or surprised by our endurance, or surprised by 288 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: our so our capability. It's of something. And this was 289 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: one of those moments that I had never given myself 290 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: enough credit for and I felt so so I guess 291 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: uh empowered and adrenaline ridden in those final miles that 292 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I picked up my cell phone the second I got 293 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: back to my car and called Coach Bi Hill and said, 294 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: I think I can run a marathon someday. And I could. 295 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: I could. I could almost see his grin through his tone, 296 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: and he said, baby, I've been waiting to hear those 297 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: words come out of your mouth for a long time. 298 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: And and so we started training for the New York 299 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: City Marathon later that year. It was two thousand and one. Yeah, 300 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: so he knew you possibly better than yourself at that point, 301 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: but he also knew he needed to wait for you 302 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: always to that act. That's the desire always had to 303 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: come from me. When I ask my advice about should I, 304 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, should should we prepare for the London Marathon 305 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: or the Boston Marathon, he would always he would always 306 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: answer with it really needs to come with what your 307 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: desires are. Do do you want to run fast? Do 308 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: you want to run on a historical rate at a 309 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: historical race? And so he would he would help flush 310 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: out the pros the pros with each race that I 311 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: was trying to trying to decide between, But he never 312 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: made the decision for me. It always had to come 313 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: because inevitably we have to be the ones to go 314 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: out and put in that challenging work and get to 315 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: that starting line motivated by something deeply internal. Yeah. Well, 316 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: one of the fun parts of reading this book and 317 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: for any of our listeners who have done any distance races, 318 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: you'll recognize that elite runners have some of the same 319 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: anxieties about them that the rest of us do as well. 320 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: I was fascinating to see that you guys are worried 321 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: about the timing of the pre race bathroom stop too absolutely, 322 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean from like did I eat? Did I E matter? 323 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean too much, cost of the night before, our 324 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: our carbohydrate stores big enough? Am I going to sleep enough? 325 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: And maybe the night before it doesn't matter? But how 326 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: about this? Was I sleeping enough this week? And those 327 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: are all factors you try to control leading up to 328 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: the race. But I think a really big gift to 329 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: yourself is letting yourself off the hook when when things 330 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: aren't going perfectly, that you just need to focus on 331 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: how you're going to how you're going to get to 332 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: your goal, even if you're not feeling one hundred percent, 333 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: even if you're feeling eighty percent, even if the odds 334 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: are stacked up against you, that you're prepared enough to 335 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: reach your goal exactly. But another thing to say that 336 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: that also came across from the book. It sounds like 337 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: the last miles of the marathon. I really think that 338 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: there's no other sports like the Parzonla, like running in general, 339 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: that the professional athletes, the people that make their living 340 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: doing it, are going through exactly the same thing as 341 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: the person that's running it for their first time, because 342 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: we every marathon is different. You could run. You can 343 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: run twenty five, thirty fifty, one hundred marathons and never 344 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: truly feel like you've nailed the distance. There's always some 345 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: little tweat you can do to prepare better, run a 346 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: longer long run, get an extra week of training in 347 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: utilize carbohydrates a little bit more. Maybe if I ate 348 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: more protein, Maybe if I slept, vabor better, Maybe if 349 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: I had help with the kids, whatever, whatever it is. 350 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: We can always like find things to inch up in 351 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: our in our performances. But there is no other sport 352 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: in the world that we have such a commonness between 353 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: the masses. Someone can get on the free the free 354 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: throw line that's not easy to say, the free throw 355 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: line of a basketball court and shoot free throws, but 356 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: they'll never know what it's like to be Kobe Bryant 357 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: in the in the middle of the game. But in 358 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: running and marathon running, it truly is everybody having similar experiences, 359 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: which is beautiful and relatable, which is why we as 360 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: professional athletes immerse ourselves in the in the general community, 361 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: because we are a big community of support and we 362 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: definitely rely on that exactly. But I guess one of 363 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: the other things that comes across in the book is 364 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: is part of you know, the developing the mental toughness 365 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: to run these distances, is that you knew it was 366 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: going to hurt, and you do it anyway that you 367 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: trained your mind to become. I guess good sufferings the 368 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: phrase I would use as part of your mental chaling 369 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: for the America great rewards once you've accomplished them. So 370 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: I think that that some of our some of our 371 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: biggest struggles are our greatest pride. Uh So, so that 372 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: is that is definitely true. But I also look at it, 373 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, in the scope of life, like you don't 374 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: want to add challenge and struggle to your life and 375 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: just to see how you can handle it. Running is 376 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: a very safe place to be able to to get 377 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: to that that point of discomfort and and think ourselves 378 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: through those moments, whether it's twisting our thoughts or having 379 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: a distraction or finding a purpose or reciting our mantras 380 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: that we go through all those tools to get through it. 381 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: And the more we can condition ourselves to do that 382 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: through running, the more readily available that is in life, 383 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: when you stub your toe walking to the bathroom in 384 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, or or you're late picking 385 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: your kid up from school and you're stressed out in traffic, 386 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: like you could better handle all of those life events. 387 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: The death of of someone in your family become more 388 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: digestible because you've because you've conditioned yourself repeatedly, persistently to 389 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: find that more optimistic side. Yeah, well, I'd like to 390 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: switch to talking about family a little bit here. So 391 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: your husband has worked with you for years, I mean 392 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: both as what is it like to work with your scuff? 393 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: Do you guys sometimes be able to work with Andrew 394 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: on a on a daily basis. A friend of ours 395 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: from Canada once said, are you guys twenty four to seven? 396 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: And I thought, what does that mean? Uh? And I 397 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: had to I had to inquire that it means that 398 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: we're around each other twenty four to seven, like with 399 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: the interview with you, that he ran downstairs to get 400 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: me headphones or you know, I write before that made 401 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: a miss sandwich for a late lunch. So I love 402 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the collaboration and the fact that our goals coincide, that 403 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: that we love this sport so deeply, but also love 404 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: what it gives to people, so we want to see 405 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: other people succeed in it just as well. So I 406 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: think that we that we've just collaborated for so long 407 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: that we're on the same page. And sure we have 408 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: different ideas of how to get things done sometimes, but 409 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: that's what a conversation is for. And then other parts 410 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: of your family. I saw you said in another interview 411 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons you're running paper just term 412 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: seven in the middle of February, So it was like 413 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: being a mom love theme parties. But she's she's been 414 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: such a joy and to be able to take her 415 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: cross country skiing in the afternoons, or wedding or ice skating, 416 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: or doing a craft or cooking dinner together, or yesterday 417 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: we made cupcakes and decorated them. That that that is 418 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: such a joy to me to be able to share 419 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: passions and even have her share her passions with me, 420 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: because I never cross country skid or ice skated. After 421 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: after my failure as a as a youth, I could 422 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: barely stand up on the skates, so it's not like 423 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: riding a bike. But this this winter we were ice 424 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: skating on the lakes, which was so beautiful, and it 425 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: took her to share that with me. So it's this 426 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: mutual sharing of of our passions that I that I 427 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: really love. Oh boy, it's it's it's never typical. I 428 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: feel like it's all I always get thrown for something 429 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: does look like for you. Yeah, But in the morning, 430 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: it's it's getting Piper ready for school, making us all breakfast, 431 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: the whole family breakfast, feeding the dogs, taking them for 432 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: a walk, getting her lunch ready, getting her to school. 433 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: Right after school, we meet up with the team and 434 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: have practice until about new or one o'clock, and then 435 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: it's like anybody else, running errands, grabbing groceries, going to 436 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: the post office, gassing up the cars, getting in emails 437 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: or interviews, which emails tend to slip through the cracks sometimes, 438 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: so I'm sorry if anybody's listening that I didn't respond to. 439 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: But it's planning a team dinner this weekend. So it's 440 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: just fun. I feel like I feel privileged that I 441 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: live a life that I've chosen to add aspects of 442 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: my life that I care so deeply about, whether it's 443 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: entertaining and cooking with family and friends, or spending intimate 444 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: time with Piper and Andrew and the dogs, or sharing 445 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: my life in running, whether it's through travel media or 446 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: social media. I just feel very privileged to be able 447 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: to wear so many hats that I enjoy, and I 448 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: feel like in any given day where my schedule starts 449 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: to feel a little overwhelming, I'll look at my calendar 450 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: and just smile, like, Wow, there's nothing I want to 451 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: give up here because I love it all. So so 452 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: that's a it's a good reminder that that is so. 453 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: On this podcast, we talk a lot about the joys 454 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: and challenges of combining work and motherhood, and all women 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: face these issues, but there are obviously some unique aspects 456 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: of combining motherhood with professional athletics. And I know a 457 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: lot of pro athletes have have waited until later. And 458 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I think because of something that you were after about 459 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: you guys are together, I did not juggle. I was 460 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: this this like self absorbed, one hundred percent focused with 461 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: blinders on distance runner, having a having a child, and 462 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: now something's competing for attention, which rightfully should can be 463 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: for my professional attention, and I just did not know 464 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: how to balance the two. I didn't do it with 465 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: grace at all. And it took looking around like, wow, 466 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: here's this mom of twins at this expo who happens 467 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to own her own company and she gets in marathons 468 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: like four or five a year. How on earth do 469 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: you do this? And when I was asking people how 470 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: they did it, it all came down to priorities, and 471 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: so I set priorities. I wanted health and family to 472 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: come first and running in career to come second. And 473 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: I learned very quickly that those lines often blur because 474 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: sometimes going out to run makes me a better mom, 475 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: or makes me makes me more organized, or helps feed 476 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: the family, whatever it is, that those lines often get 477 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: often get blurred. But the priorities were a big deal. 478 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: And I also thought that here's a mom or a 479 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: dad who has children is running, has a career, and 480 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: they're able to raise a family. Running in my career 481 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: are the same thing. So shouldn't I have it easier 482 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: than anybody else. So it was this big awakening, like, listen, 483 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to invent something here. This is something 484 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: women and men have been doing for hundreds of years 485 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: and I just need to figure it out. And I 486 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: eventually did. And as long as I was filling my 487 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: days with joy and moving forward, then I was very 488 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: happy with the place that I was in. Yes, so 489 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: to our listeners, Data has still been setting records now 490 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: with with her her whole family watching. So one thing 491 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: you said there though, that you like to fill your 492 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: days with things you enjoy. And my my co host, 493 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: who couldn't be with us today because she has a 494 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: real job unlike me, she's she's seeing her patients right now. 495 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: But you think there is value in pushing kids to 496 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: stick with something even if it's hard at first. You 497 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: know that she said a time limit, like try it 498 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: for a year, then you can get that Or what 499 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: did your parents do with you as you were figuring out? 500 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: Like a softball? Isn't it a figure skating? Isn't it singing? 501 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: How should you approach the America? How are you approaching activities? 502 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: Sought a little girl perform and she was really into opera, 503 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: so we got her. We got her a coach, and 504 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: the coach said, you know, I don't really want to 505 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: strain her voice at this at this age, we have 506 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful opera singer that happens to live here in 507 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Mammoth Lakes, California. And she said, but we're going to 508 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: learn piano. And Piper loves it. So for Christmas, Santa 509 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: brought her a piano. So just trying to fuel and 510 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: fuel their desires because Andrew and I are not musical 511 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: at all, but she showed interest and now she has 512 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: to keep up with these lessons until the year is up. 513 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, yeah, and I think I think 514 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: piano if she's if she's into music, then then maybe 515 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: we need to be a little more con extend that 516 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. One year. She's not going to know 517 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: how to play the piano perfectly. But I think it's 518 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: important that when the kid shows interest and wants and 519 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: wants and wants you and you deliver that that they 520 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: need to follow through with their end of the bargain. 521 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: For sure. Sounds like good advice. Well, Dina, thanks so 522 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: much for being with us. I really appreciate it. Thank 523 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: you so much. Well, that was fantastic. I'm so glad 524 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: we were able to have you interviewed, Dina. And I'm 525 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: excited to read more of the book because it's coming 526 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: out now. So we have a great Q and A today, 527 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: and it was sent by one of our listeners, and 528 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: she writes, I am a podcast listener and working mom 529 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: of two kids are aged two and a half and 530 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: eight months. I'm recently back for my second maternity leave. 531 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: One question I'd love you for you to address is 532 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: the logistics of working from home while you have a nanny. 533 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: My husband and I both have a fantastic work arrangement 534 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: in which he works from home full time and I 535 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: work from home four days each week and in the 536 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: office one day a week. We currently have the younger 537 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: boy and a lovely in home daycare and the older 538 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: in our synagogue preschool. The only wishue we have with 539 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: this is the opportunity cost of getting both boys ready 540 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: and then having two pickups and two drop offs each day. 541 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: I estimate that we spend about fifty minutes each day 542 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: doing pickups and drop offs alone. In some we are 543 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: the perfect family to have a nanny. We just struggle 544 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: to figure out how we'd actually get work done with 545 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: a nanny playing with the boys on the ground floor 546 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: of our house while we're upstairs. We both worry it 547 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: would be hard emotionally to get work done while we 548 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: can hear someone else having fun with our boys. We 549 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: do have access to co working spaces the office about 550 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: a twenty minute metro right away, but that would defeat 551 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: the glories of being able to work from home. Can 552 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: you talk about how you've managed to separate yourself from 553 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: your kids so you can get work done while still 554 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: physically being in the same space as them. I'm going 555 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: to mostly let Laura address this, although I will say 556 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: today is kind of an example of this because my 557 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: son is off from school and I just booted them 558 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: out of the house and I didn't feel very bad 559 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: about it. But that's it is a little bit different 560 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: because this is not a day to day thing. I 561 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: don't do the podcast every day and I'll be home 562 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: this afternoon, so this is more of a question for Laura. 563 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: But my other two cents are I highly recommend if 564 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: you can do it financially, you know, keeping if the 565 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: school is wonderful. It's not an either or thing. We 566 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: definitely have done combinations of both and even paid for 567 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: full time time any care while sending kids to school 568 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: in some fashion or preschool so they can get that 569 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: interaction and since they really you really like the school. 570 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully a hybrid would be possible. Okay, and I will 571 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: now turn it over to Laura, who's gonna have a 572 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: much more insight into this. Yeah, I mean I went 573 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: through this whole dilemma myself when my oldest son was born, 574 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: because we lived in a one bedroom Manhattan apartment, so 575 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: like it wasn't even like they'd be playing on the 576 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 1: ground floor of the house. They would be playing like 577 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: on top of me. And so that is why we 578 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: did daycare for kid number one. Fortunately, I was able 579 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: to buy enrolling him when I was approximately four months 580 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: pregnant have a spot at a good daycare that was 581 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean literally a five minute walk from our house. 582 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: So that was just a sort of twenty minute thing 583 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: out of my day because five minutes there are five 584 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: minutes back, five minutes to pick them up, five minutes back. 585 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: I'd usually by the afternoon, combine it with a walk 586 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: or errands or something like that. You need a break anyway, 587 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: So it wasn't so bad. But yeah, obviousally there's down 588 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: not only to that or but to the idea that 589 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, when the kid gets sick, you can't go 590 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: to daycare. So it doesn't even matter how convenient it is. 591 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: They're still there with you at home, whereas the nanny 592 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have that. And so certainly by the second kid, 593 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, I need more coverage. 594 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: My kid has gotten sick like five weeks during the winter. 595 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: I can't not work for five weeks. So I we 596 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: had moved to a slightly larger apartment. We'd moved to 597 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: a two bedroom apartment, so that helped with it too. 598 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: But basically what it was is the same thing that 599 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: you're telling me. If it's nice weather, they'd go out 600 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: to the park to playgrounds. If it was we kept 601 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: our oldest in daycare part time, they would go to playgrounds, 602 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: they would go to museums when it was colder. We 603 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: got memberships for absolutely everything, which is the same thing 604 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: that we've done now because my little guy is still 605 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: home with us too. Now, obviously we moved out to 606 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: the burbs, like you could. We have a large enough 607 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: house that they can play places and be completely separate 608 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: from me. So it's really just not an issue. But 609 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: we communicate about this than nanny and I. We say 610 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: she definitely tries to get them out at least in 611 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: the morning, to go places the little gym classes or 612 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: music classes, museums, parks, play dates. Afternoon, they might have 613 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: some quiet time, but you know, if I have a 614 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: call that absolutely cannot be interrupted, then they will either 615 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: play in the basement or stay out. And that's pretty 616 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: much been fine. I would say. The thing is you. 617 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: There is the emotional aspect of it, in that you 618 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: have to train yourself so it's not even so much 619 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: asking your caregiver to keep people out of your hair, 620 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: like make sure that part of her job is not 621 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: just keeping the children safe at home, it's also keeping 622 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: the kids out of your hair at home. And so 623 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: you need to interview for that and hire people for 624 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: that who understand that. Because some people have more of 625 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: a sort of free range approach on the home that 626 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: they want the kids to be able to wander wherever, 627 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: like you know, then you need to say that's actually 628 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: not going to work. But you have to stay out 629 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: of it too. And I think what has sort of 630 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: helped us with this is that I have made clear 631 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: to the kids. I have made clearer to our nannies 632 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: that they are one hundred percent in charge. When I'm working, 633 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not coming out, I'm not coming out unless like 634 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: she comes to get me. If a kid somehow escapes 635 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: and like bangs on my office door because they disagree 636 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: with some decision, it doesn't matter, like I don't overrule her. 637 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: I think that's probably I bet your nanny loves that, 638 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: Like I think most nannies would appreciate having you know, 639 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: sovereign sovereign well, because it is like I can't be 640 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, I need to have it because I can't 641 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: be interrupted all the time. Like if they know that, oh, 642 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: every decision is negotiable, like then they'll be in all 643 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: the time. And there is this phenomenon when there's sort 644 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: of two people in charge. It invites in my experience, 645 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: like if the nanny and I are there, or even 646 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: my husband and I, like you act, they actually have 647 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: harder time corralling the kids than if it's like autocratics. 648 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: So it probably serves multiple purposes. You can focus, and 649 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: it probably allows your nanny to have a better working 650 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: relationship with your kids and keeping yea better. Although that said, 651 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: I do do the bulk of my work between when 652 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: the big kids get on the bus and when they 653 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: get off the bus in the afternoon, and that's you know, 654 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: I can do some stuff after they get home, but 655 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't usually do phone calls or you know, webinars 656 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: or anything where it would be awkward if a child 657 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: appeared in my office because they're not as train that 658 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: because they're in school all day, right, So, and then 659 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: in the summer we have to do different things. But 660 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: I think it can work. I think it's really just 661 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: about you know, being very clear with the expectations with 662 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: your caregiver and taking yourself out of it and recognizing 663 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: when you're working, you're working, and that's what you need 664 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: to be focusing on. So shall we do Love of 665 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: the Week? Yeah? I have a good one for this 666 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: one because I just finished a book that I love 667 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: and I just want to share it with the world. 668 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: So it is by Kim Marie Martin, and it's her 669 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: debut novel. It's called The Queen of Heart and it's 670 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: it's actually super juicy, and it's set partly in the 671 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: present day to doctors and then partly in their med 672 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: school and residency days, and it kind of switches back, 673 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: actually mostly med school, it switches back and forth. As 674 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: I was reading it, I was just thinking, oh my god, 675 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: this person like it was so accurate like I was. 676 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: It was like, Oh wow, how did they get in 677 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: the minds of someone you know in medical training? And 678 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: I didn't realize until the end of it that like, 679 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: it's because she's in the er doctor and she actually 680 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: did it, so that totally made sense. Once I saw that, 681 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Ah, but if anyone wants to kind 682 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: of read and know what it really felt like back 683 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: in the trenches, especially during that time period because it 684 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: was just a few years apart from when I did 685 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: med school, it was juicy, it was it was engaging, 686 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: it was it was awesome. So I definitely recommend it 687 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: cool to check it out. My love of the week 688 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: is we're recording this in early April. I did it's 689 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: local speaking gigs, so big chunk of my business is 690 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: going to various companies or conferences and giving speeches on 691 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: time management. And I managed to have two in the 692 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: Greater Philadelphia area yesterday, which is awesome because I didn't 693 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: have to get on a plane and I'm a little 694 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I had quite a run of it 695 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: with bad plane episodes with partly it's not the planes falls. 696 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: We have horrible weather in the Philadelphia area and it's 697 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: continued into March, versus stopping and training to April, even 698 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: into April. In fact, I can't believe. I looked at 699 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: the weather and the potentially snow this weekend or early 700 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: next week. I've got another flight coming up. Like not 701 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: this again, so local speaking, gigs awesome, hire her. Fill 702 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: out the area, people. I hope you're listening, Philadelphia area. 703 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: Please keep me off the plane. No, and I'm not 704 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: to say I love I love meeting people in all 705 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: kinds of places. I love being other places, like I 706 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: love going to California, like going to Texas. I'm going 707 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: next week. I'm going to Toronto. I love meeting people 708 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: in new places, seeing new places. The plane flight is 709 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: the sort of necessary evil to get there, so I 710 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: keep hoping somebody will invent a teleportation machine, but so 711 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: far not yet. So all right, Well this has been 712 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: best in both worlds. Episode thirty six, we had Dina 713 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: Castro on the program, who's the author of a new 714 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: book called Let Your Mind Runes, So please check that out. 715 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with more on making work 716 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find 717 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the 718 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram and you can find me Laura 719 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best 720 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for 721 00:37:50,560 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together. A