1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut. Let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Let's Giants get out. Giants give me some job. Part 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Total Podcast, brought 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: John Smoke with you, great show coming your way today. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: Tyler Nuben, Giants safety, will join us. John Deschaser from 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: the Saints official team website there senior writer. He'll join 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: us as well, and then Bob Pop with head coach 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: of the Giants, Brian Dables. We get ready for the 12 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Giants and Saints of MetLife Stadium Sunday at at one o'clock. 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: We're gonna lead off with my conversation with Giants safety 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Tyler Nuban. And now we're joined by Giant safety Tyler Nuben. Tyler, 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: how's it going man? 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: Going good? 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: Man? 18 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: How you doing doing good? 19 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 4: So? 20 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: How has been practiced this week? 21 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: It's been great, man, it's been great. A lot of 22 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: energy man. You know he's ready for the next one. Bro. 23 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: It can be tough. You know, the team's two and ten. 24 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: You struggled, you have a one game in a while. 25 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: How has this team kept the energy up and kept 26 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: the positive vibes going. 27 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: Oh well, we got great people here, man, from my 28 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: teammates to coaching staff to training staff. I think everybody 29 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: just you know, likes being around each other, likes working together. 30 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: So it's pretty easy to have that energy when when 31 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: you're around people that you know, you enjoy being around. 32 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: And you know, obviously the situation and the season is 33 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: not going how we want it to. But you could 34 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: either choose to be positive about it or be negative. 35 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people have chosen to 36 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: be positive and keep moving forward. 37 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: No, fortunately, I've lost two of your leaders this week, 38 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence for the year with the elbow. Bobbio character 39 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: hasn't practiced yet. We're recording this on Thursday afternoon. How 40 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: has the team tried to make up for Let's start 41 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: with their leadership first and then being such loud voices 42 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: in your room. 43 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 2: I think it's just everybody just taking care of them 44 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: first and making sure that they're they're on point with 45 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: everything they got going on, making sure communication is great, 46 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: and you know, I think we got a lot of 47 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, like younger guys like myself, you know, stepping 48 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: up and being being you know, voices. Now, you know, 49 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: Drew's being a lot louder. Moose has been a lot louder. 50 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: So I think it's just, you know, everybody's getting more 51 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: comfortable and stepping up and being that leader. 52 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that, because as a rookie, 53 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: you obviously can't step in right away and start telling 54 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: these that's what to do, right right right. They're not 55 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: gonna take that. But now we're in December, a lot 56 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: of people say, you're not even a rook anymore. We 57 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: played twelve games. Are you feeling more comfortable taking that 58 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: type of leadership role that I know you had in 59 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 1: your collegiate career. 60 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, man. And I think that's just, 61 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, that's a testament to all the older guys 62 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: in the bad guys really making us feel comfortable, you know, 63 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: especially the guys that have come in and played a 64 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: loved ball, that we can be leaders. So I really 65 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: was pushed by older guys like Bobby, like Nacho, like 66 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: Burns to be that leader and and be that voice 67 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: because because they know I can, and because I've proven it, 68 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: and they give me the conference to be able. 69 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: To do that every day and imagine in young secondary too, 70 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, if a dory back there. He's obviously 71 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: the vet of the group. Jason's been in the league 72 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, but nobody on their second 73 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: and their third contracts. Really has it been. How has 74 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: it been trying to kind of bring such a young 75 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: group together as either you or Jason's kind of been 76 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: that you know, center field or post player for a 77 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: lot of this year. 78 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, obviously the season has been difficult, but 79 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: I don't think it's been hard to you know, bring 80 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: us together in one to work together and do good 81 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: and you know, watch film together and do those things. 82 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: So it's been great, you know, just having a relationship 83 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: with those guys because we're kind of on the same boat, 84 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: just kind of getting in, you know, establishing ourselves as 85 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: a player and and who we are. So I think, 86 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, everybody's kind of, you know, doing the same thing, 87 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: so you know, we all relate to each other in 88 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: that way. 89 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: We had Pinnock in here a month ago. How has 90 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: it been learning next to him and him kind of 91 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: trying to teach you the ropes of the. 92 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: NFL a little bit. It's been awesome, Bro. 93 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: He's a great dude. 94 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Yeah, great dude, bro. One of my 95 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: best friends on the team. And you know, he's just 96 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: he's always open to, you know, helping helping the young 97 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: guys out, giving us little pointers how to play things 98 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: better what he's seen. So he's been a great resource 99 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: since I've gotten here, for sure. 100 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Before we get to you personally here, Dexter Lawrence, we 101 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: talked about his loss as a leader, how about his 102 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: loss as a player. One man cannot replace Dexter Lawrence. 103 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: So how does your defense as a whole try to 104 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: at least make up for the loss that he rings 105 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: in terms of his production. 106 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Uh, Like I said earlier, everybody's just stepping up and 107 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: going harder. You know, the communications got to be that 108 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: much better, Your details have to be that much better. Everything, 109 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: everything has to be that much better because you know, 110 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: he was a guy that that made up for a 111 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: lot of uh, you know, mistakes out there sometimes because 112 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: just because of who he is, right exactly. So Yeah, 113 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: So I think it's just everybody just being being that 114 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: much more locked in on their job and everybody just 115 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: working together. Uh, playing eleven eleven football is that's that's 116 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: really the only thing we can do. 117 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: If Bobby can't go this week in Darius moss House 118 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: to step in the fellow rookie. I'm sure you've been 119 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: close to hand and learning with him along the way. 120 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: What have you seen from in practice and is he 121 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: ready to step in and take that mantle a little bit? 122 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, I think Moose has been ready 123 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: to step in all year. He's a guy that flies around, 124 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 2: he talks a lot, and he's gonna get to that football. 125 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: That's that's the one thing that that that we know 126 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: about him. He's gonna get to that ball. So I 127 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: think I think he's definitely ready to step in and 128 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: you know, contribute for us. 129 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at where you've lined up this year, 130 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: and it's almost equal at the line of scrimmage, and 131 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm including your slot snap spied you're kind of on 132 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: the line with those right to playing deep post. How 133 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: has it been trying to get used to playing in 134 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: all these different spots which really have different roles, right, 135 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: and different responsibilities and trying to learn all those things 136 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: at once over the course of your rookie year. 137 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been a challenge, man, Definitely, a learning curve, 138 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: especially with the NFL man that they're trying to attack 139 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: you so many different ways. When you're in those different spots, 140 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: you know, curl flat players, you gotta make sure you 141 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: play top down, not get beat on bows in seven routes. 142 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: You know, when you're on top of the field, you 143 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: gotta make sure you're staying inside, don't get beat on 144 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 2: the post. So it's definitely a little bit of mental 145 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: gymnastics sometimes when you're in different spots, you got to know, Okay, 146 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: this is my job, this is what I can't get 147 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: beat on. So I'm definitely still learning, still getting better 148 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: at that and can have a lot more focus when 149 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: I'm out there of you know where I'm at and 150 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: what my responsibility is. 151 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: For sure, do you feel like you've taken to any 152 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: one of those roles quicker than maybe some of the others. 153 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I think out on the field, like 154 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: when I'm when I'm in a position, I think I 155 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: learn it fast, and I think that the little nuances 156 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: and the details within those calls and those situations that 157 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: I'm in are gonna have to come with time and 158 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: seeing things and getting beat on. A couple of things 159 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: a couple of times, so learning the actual position is 160 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: not hard. But like the things and that the offense 161 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: are going to try to do to attack you when 162 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: you're in that position, that's why I'm still learning. So 163 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: still still obviously still going. There's gonna be a lot 164 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: more things I haven't seen yet that you know I 165 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: have to defend, so uh, just gotta keep going. 166 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: But you kind of have to see it, right. I 167 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: mean you can go over it on tape, watching a video, 168 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: but until you see it play, you're not gonna learn 169 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: it right. 170 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: It's not the same at all. Yeah, Definitely, when when 171 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: the bulls are flying on the field, it's a lot 172 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: different than when you're handing holding the clicker in the 173 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: in the film and looking at something. So uh yeah, 174 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: definitely definitely gonna have to keep getting those experiences. 175 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: So when I've been holding the clicker rewatching the games. 176 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: One thing I think you've taken through very well when 177 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: you're at the line, whether it's in the box as 178 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: almost like a quasi linebacker, right when you're dropped down, 179 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: or even in the slot. I think your run support 180 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: has been really really good. 181 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: Appreciate. 182 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: I think you've been reading holes you've been filling your gap, 183 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: You've been attacking, not letting the blockers get out to you. 184 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Why do you think, well, when you tell me if 185 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: you disagree with my assessment, but do you think you've 186 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: taken so well to the stuff around the line of 187 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: scrimmage and the run support? 188 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: Uh? Just how I was prepared in college really just 189 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: being in a big ten, Big ten West defense and 190 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: you know, stopping the run. Yeah, yeah, exactly, brow And 191 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: I was coming from like ten fifteen yards in college, 192 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: so now I'm only coming from five. So it gives 193 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: me a lot more confidence to go out there and 194 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: you know, be physical because obviously I'm closer to the 195 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: line and I'm already comfortable with, you know, being in 196 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: the run game. 197 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: How much more difficult is it to read and decipher 198 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: what NFL offenses are trying to do compared to what 199 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: the offense is and the big ten we're trying to 200 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: do to you. 201 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: I'd say it's definitely a lot harder. But I'd say 202 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: that with film study, they don't lie to you as much. 203 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: I feel like in college it's a lot of you know, 204 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: game plan teams, and you know, you could get different looks, 205 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: different whole different sets every single every single game. But 206 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL, they don't, they don't lie to you 207 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: very often, and when they do give you their nuances, 208 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: it's it's obviously it's it's something different out of the 209 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: same formation. So there there's a lot less things that 210 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: you have to look out for, but the things that 211 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: you do have to look out for, you have to 212 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: be on top of it, because if you're not on it, 213 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: it's not like college where you miss, you miss a 214 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: curl flat drop, they're gonna miss, They're gonna hit that, 215 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So you just gotta be 216 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: be locked into every single situation when it when it 217 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: comes up March. Yeah, very yeah, very much, very much. 218 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: So absolutely. 219 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure one you know, you're really good as 220 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: a as a run helper in college. You're also really 221 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: gonna get your hands on the football. And I'm sure 222 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: it's driving your nuts a little bit that you haven't 223 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: gotten your hand on the football as much this year. 224 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Why do you think that hasn't 225 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: maybe happened as quickly for you as you might like. 226 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just I don't know, I 227 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: just I just don't think that the opportunities have been 228 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: there yet, and it's just weird. And you know, whole 229 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: defense really doesn't doesn't have any have any picks yet. 230 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not you know, it's not on 231 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: one person, it's not on the call, it's not on 232 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: the defense. I just think, you know, the opportunities just 233 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: haven't been there, and when they do come, I just 234 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: gotta be ready for it because you know, I can't 235 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: miss them, because I definitely I need one before the season, 236 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: is for sure. 237 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Is part of that stopping the run where if you 238 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: stop the run a little better, you put teams in 239 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: some of those third and longs, then maybe you have 240 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: some more opportunities to be a little more aggressive and 241 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe get your hands on the football a little bit more. 242 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean football goes hand to hand 243 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: everything offense, defense, special teams to to where if you're 244 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: playing a certain way, certain things are gonna have to 245 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: happen to the offense in order for them to put 246 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: themselves in those situations where they're throwing the ball down 247 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: the field and they have to go score points and 248 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: they have to go push the ball down the field. 249 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, like like you said, man, we gotta stop 250 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: the run. We gotta be way better on earlier downs 251 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: so we can get some third and longers. I know 252 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: we've been, you know, having a lot of third and 253 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: shorts this year. Uh, third and three to six, And 254 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes offenses aren't aren't very keen to throw 255 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: the ball down the field when when it's thirty three 256 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: to six, it's going to get the first out and 257 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: keep it going. So just a lot of those situations 258 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: have come up, and if we're better on early down, 259 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: I think we can start putting ourselves in those situations more. 260 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: As a team. Have you figured out is there a 261 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: link of why you've had trouble stopping the run this year? 262 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: Do you think it always? I feel like every week 263 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: it always just comes down to one or two things, 264 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: and it's a little small things, and. 265 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: It's different things on different runs. It's not the same 266 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: thing on all these runs. 267 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's not. It's never the same thing. So 268 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: I don't think we're a team that really makes the 269 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: same mistakes twice. But you know it's we get different 270 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: run schemes and different looks every single week, and so 271 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: it might be one or two things that you know, 272 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: we're not on top of for that week. That turns 273 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: into explosive run games in the NFL, because if you're 274 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: not on top of everything, if you're not all in 275 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: the in the right gaps, you know, these running backs 276 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: are way too good. 277 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: Now, there was one play that you did get your 278 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: hand on the football, Mike Evans. Yeah, one on one 279 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: coverage one of the It's gonna be a Hall of Famer, right, 280 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,599 Speaker 1: That must have been pretty cool for you, right to 281 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: be able to cover them and you're kind of one 282 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: on one with him in the slot. You got to 283 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: handle the ball takets through that playing and did that 284 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: kind of give you a preview once things start clicking, 285 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: what you can do, right? 286 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just a little safety pleasure pressure, uh 287 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: from Jpenn I was replacing him. Came down on Evans 288 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: in the slot, and through film study throughout the week, 289 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: I just knew every time he was lined up in 290 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: that slide it was he'd either running an outer or seven. 291 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: Uh So I just kind of kind of banked on, 292 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: banked on that that film study, uh and and made 293 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: a break. And you know, right when he started breaking down, 294 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: I kind of broke with him. And I honestly like 295 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: surprised myself that I like got that. Yeah, I kind 296 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: of surprised myself because because the ball came and I 297 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: just I should have put two hands out for it, 298 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: but I only put one. I honestly, I'm pretty sure 299 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: I could have made a play on that for. 300 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: Too quick ones Before you go, where do you think 301 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: you've improved the most of your game from when you 302 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: step in the building here to where you are now? 303 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: Mmmm? I think my communication and just being in the 304 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: right positions in the run game has has been a 305 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: major improvement just from earlier in the season. And just 306 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: my angles. I feel like my angles were bad at 307 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season two uh, so you know, 308 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: always trying to improve on those. And also I feel 309 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: like just being on top of the field in the 310 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: deep part of the field, I think, you know I've 311 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: been I've been pretty good at at doing that, not 312 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: letting shots down the field on my side. So ye, 313 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: just gotta keep getting better. 314 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Finally, Alvin Kamar pretty awesome player. You have to face 315 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: him this week. What's the key to slowing him down? 316 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,479 Speaker 1: And really the Saints offense, which revolves around. 317 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: Man eleven hats eleven hats to the ball man. He's 318 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: he's a guy that you can't ever guarantee him down. 319 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: So we're gonna make sure that you know, one guy 320 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 2: is not tackling him this this week. It's gonna be 321 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: a gang tackle every time. 322 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: Tyler, good stuff. Thank you man, good luck, thank. 323 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: You appreciate it. Hoddle up, get in here. 324 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 325 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: middle with at the score. 326 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 4: Great. 327 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 5: How do we make that happen? 328 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense of your 329 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: money with Citizens, Official Bank of Eli Manning. That's giant safety. 330 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: Tyler nuben great stuff out of him. Don't forget The 331 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: Giants Total podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 332 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: official bank of the Giants from game day celebrations here, 333 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: everyday financial needs. Big Blue fans can get the most 334 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: out of every moment with Citizens. Learn more at Citizens 335 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: bank dot com slash Giants. We go from Tyler Nubin 336 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: to John Deschaser, who covers the New Orleans Saints for 337 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: the team's official site. And now we're joined by John Desagure. 338 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: He is the chief writer head writer for New Orleans 339 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Saints the team site. John, good to talk to you, man, 340 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: how are you. 341 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: I'm doing great, John, other than other than not winning 342 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 4: a lot of football games, but we're doing pretty good 343 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: over here. 344 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: Well, we can wallow in each other's self pity for 345 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: the next ten to fifteen minutes, John, that'll be great. 346 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: So let's start here of lengthy injury report for the Saints. 347 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: Who should we be keeping an eye and as guys 348 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: that legitimately might not have a chance to play that 349 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: have been limited in practice. 350 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 4: Well, we know Taysom Hill is going to be out, 351 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: so you know that's that's going to be a guy 352 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: who's not going to be playing. I think you probably 353 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: want to pay attention to guys who might be in. 354 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: I think I think Hendre Miller, who's going to be 355 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: in at running back, and he had played in quite 356 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: some time with the hamstring injury, so he looks like 357 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: he's going to be back. Caesara Weeds had a concussion, 358 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: he looks like he's going to play. And then you 359 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 4: get back Eric McCoy at center and probably Lucas Patrick 360 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 4: at left guard. So the office is gonna be hold 361 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: for the first time in weeks, maybe months, with the 362 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: starting unit that they gan the regular season. So that's 363 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: a positive for this team. But for the most part, 364 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: you know, the injured guys who won't be gone are 365 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: guys who weren't gonna be gonna be you know factors anyway, 366 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: And you lost the two ride receivers a long time ago, 367 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: Chris Lave and Rashid Shaheed. So then making do obviously 368 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: with Marcoyas Valdez Scantling, who who's been a revelation for 369 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: this team. I don't know how the guy was on 370 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 4: the street, but he's really been good for this franchise. 371 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: And so now they're just trying to pick it up 372 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: and piecing in the parts at running back without Taysom Hill. 373 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about the offense. You mentioned 374 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: you lost the two wide receivers some time ago. They've 375 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of leaned into the run game, double tight ends 376 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of Taysom Hill. But now Taysom Hill's 377 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: not there, right, so they're running out of weapons. Give 378 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: it to Alvin Kamara forty times a game. So how 379 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: do you think they're going to adjust now without Taysum 380 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Mill and without those two wide receivers in terms of 381 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: getting the ball to their weapons. 382 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: Well, you give it to Alan Kamara thirty five times 383 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: a game. It's probably gonna be I mean, there will be. 384 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: I would imagine a heavy dulse of Allan Kamara, but 385 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: also Kendre Miller, who who pretty much fell out of 386 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: favor in the previous regime under Dennis Allen and he 387 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: said he was ready to come back and play. You 388 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: know who knows, but he is ready to play now, 389 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: and so he'll be the guy who comes in and 390 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: helps that running back on. Jamal Williams also there running back, 391 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: but I think they're expecting more the change of pace 392 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: guy being Kendrea Miller. He's got a little pop to him, 393 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: he's got a little wiggle to him. He's a big kid, 394 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: you know, probably two twenty two thirty and he's got 395 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: some speed to him. So he will be the guy now. 396 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: He's not gonna be Taysom Hill. He will not be 397 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: taking snaps you know, from from from center and playing 398 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 4: quarterback power. But he is a change of pace guy 399 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 4: for Allen Kamara. Because, let's be honest, Alvin who's having 400 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: a really good year, I was having a career year. 401 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 4: He's thirty nine yards away, thirty nine rushing yards away 402 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 4: from sending his career high and one thousand yards, one 403 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 4: hundred and six yards away from his first thousand yard season. 404 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: So he's having a really good season. But there's been 405 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: a lot of wear in Tarryn on Alvin Kamara this year. 406 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: He's had rib injuries, he's had hand injuries, he's had 407 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: you know, hip injuries, He's had a lot of knicks 408 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: that he has had overcome to continue to play and 409 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 4: he's played every game. So but there will be a 410 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: heavy dose of him because you know, the Giants have 411 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: not been the best run defense, so you would expect 412 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 4: that he'll get a heaping helping of carries, you know. 413 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: And when I say heaping helping for that for Alvin 414 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: that's probably you know, eighteen to twenty two somewhere in there. 415 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: That's where they want to keep him, not in the 416 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: twenty eight range. 417 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the Giants, you mentioned their rush 418 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: defense has been terrible. Now they're probably not going to 419 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: be without bobbiocaracade them in a linebacker, no Dexter Laurence, 420 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: So who knows what that's even going to look like. 421 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: They could be down to three practice squad defensive tackles, 422 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, So we'll see how that 423 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: ends up going for the Giants this week. How has 424 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: this offense changed and this team overall changed since they 425 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: moved on from Dennis Allen and went with Darren Rizzy. 426 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: Well, they seem to have figured out, you know, they 427 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 4: want to do a lot more motion. You can identify, 428 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 4: you know, identify things when you have more motion, and 429 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: they seem to be doing that and that seems to 430 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: be working well for him. They won the first two games. 431 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: They lost the last game against the Rams. But Derek Carr, 432 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 4: you know, he's got six touchdowns and no interceptions in 433 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: his four games that he's been back since he had 434 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: that oblique injury, completing sixty eight percent of his passes, 435 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: so he's been pretty efficient. But they've really been able 436 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: to run the ball a little bit better. Now you 437 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: have to subtract take some hill from that now, so 438 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 4: we'll have to see how that goes. But they've been 439 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: able to run the ball better. They protected Derek Carr. 440 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: He hadn't been sacked in the last four games, so 441 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: that's been a good only been sacked twice, excuse me, 442 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: So that's been a good thing. And if you have 443 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 4: your offensive line hole and you're playing against the defensive 444 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: line that's you know, kind of makeshift. Then you would 445 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: expect or hope that that success could continue. But that's 446 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: been the main thing with him. And then again, you know, 447 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 4: getting Markus Valdez Scantley has just been a revelation for 448 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: this team. They didn't have any outside threats when those 449 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: two guys went down, so they couldn't get the ball 450 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: down the field. They couldn't go for chung places, they 451 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: couldn't go for explosives, they didn't have anybody to stress 452 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: the field. Well, now they've got that guy, and I 453 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: would imagine the Giants know they've got that guy too, 454 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: So you're probably gonna have to do some things underneath 455 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 4: and nibble your way down the field a couple of times. 456 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: But they do have a guy that you do feel 457 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: comfortable just throwing it out there and seeing if he 458 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: can make a play for you because he's six ' 459 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 4: four and he can run fast. And again, I don't 460 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: know what was going on in the in the previous 461 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 4: places where he was, but I just know he's been 462 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: a really good fit for the Saints. 463 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 464 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: Look, he's a big time deep threat. You know, that's 465 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. John how about defense. 466 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: You know, Dennis Allen has been the architect of this 467 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Saints defense for almost ten seasons. What has this defense, 468 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: if at all, looked different since they moved on from 469 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: him as the head coach. 470 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first they were able to stop the run. 471 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: They stopped the run pretty good against against Cleveland, but 472 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: they've had some run issues this entire season. I mean, 473 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 4: we've had seasons around here for the Saints where they 474 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: didn't give up you know, they were giving up ninety 475 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: yards a game, and you know, they went through a 476 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: street where there might have been like forty fifty games 477 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: where they didn't have one hundred yard rushing and now 478 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 4: they can't stop the run. They are having difficulties with 479 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: their run fits, with their gap fits, with their discipline, 480 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: with their tackling, and those things have shown up big 481 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 4: time for this team. So even even though even though 482 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 4: Darren Rizzy It's two and one is the head coach, 483 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 4: they've still had issues with that. They've given up the 484 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 4: chunk plays, you know, whether it be in the passing 485 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 4: game or the run game and those things. And even 486 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: then when it hadn't been a thirty yard run, it's 487 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: been an eight yard run. So you get the second 488 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: and two, and now your defense is on its heels 489 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 4: the entire time. So they've had issues with that this 490 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: entire season, and it's been one of those things where 491 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 4: you feel like they know what's happening, they know how 492 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: to talk the way through it, but when they get 493 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: on the field, it all goes to pot because they 494 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 4: hadn't been able to do it and hadn't been able 495 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: to show you that they can do it consistently. So 496 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 4: basically every team that's played this team has said, you 497 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: know what, we think we can run it on them, 498 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: and the Giants can run the ball, we think we 499 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: can run it on them. And now that you don't 500 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 4: have either of your starting cornerbacks, you know that's be 501 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: pulsing the Deebo who's out for with an injury, and 502 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: Marshawn Lattimore who's traded to the Commanders. Well, now you've 503 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: got Thelonte Taylor and kool Aid McKinstry, a rookie out there. 504 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 4: Teams are challenging them saying, you know what, we feel 505 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: like we can get some traction in the past game 506 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: and in the run game. And if you got a 507 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: guy like Milite Neighbors you're probably gonna try him a 508 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: little bit. 509 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. How about your pass rush? 510 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: The Giants could be without it, and you know Andrew 511 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: Thomas is out of the year. They could be without 512 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: Jermaine Luminoor and Evan Neil, which means they'll be down 513 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: to Chris Hubbard and josh A Zoo at offensive tackle. 514 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: You're brought in Chase Young, He's been productive. Who are 515 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: the pass rushers that the Giants are going to be 516 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: circling with their redis sharpie when they prep for this game, 517 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: when they take on your defense. 518 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 4: Well they better be ready for a defensive tackle. Brian Berzi. 519 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 4: He's got six and a half sacks. He leaves the team, 520 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: and he has been He's really improved from his rookie year. 521 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: He's got to he's got a spin move that's been 522 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 4: pretty much unstoppable from training camp on. I mean, he 523 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: really understands how to set it up. Now he's got 524 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 4: to be a better run run passer and he's got 525 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: to be a better run defender. But in terms of 526 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: pass rush, he's been fantastic. Carl Granderson can still bring 527 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 4: me he I think he's drawn a little bit more 528 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: attention because he had, you know, the double digit sacks 529 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 4: last season, so he's drawing a little bit more attention. 530 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 4: But you have a good pair there. It looks like 531 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: Peyton Turner has come on a little bit even though 532 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 4: he hadn't had the sacks numbers, but he's been, you know, 533 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: kind of disruptive. You mentioned Chase Young because Chase Young 534 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: has gotten to the quarterback a lot this season. Hadn't 535 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 4: gotten them on the ground a lot, only three and 536 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: a half sacks, but he's been able to get to 537 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 4: the quarterback and be a little bit disruptive. And you 538 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: still have Cam Jordan who's got the high motor. He 539 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 4: doesn't have the sack totals of the previous years, but 540 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: you always know that he can add in in that category. 541 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: And a guy to look out for who I think 542 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 4: is going to be active this week. Maybe it is 543 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 4: Tino Possum Possum woah, who's you know he was? He 544 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: ruptured his achilles at the end of you know, in 545 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 4: the off season, and he's worked his way back. He's 546 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 4: been practicing full these last couple of days. And he 547 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 4: was a guy who last year at the end of 548 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: the year they're able to put him in at defensive 549 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: end and defensive tackle, and he was very very effective 550 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 4: getting to the quarterback. So they've got eight facts of 551 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: the last three games, all have been by defensive linemen, 552 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: which means they've been doing the pretty good job up front, 553 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: and that's probably what they want to be able to 554 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: do because you can devote more guys to the secondary, 555 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 4: to the past defense if you only have to rush 556 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: your front four. 557 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then final one for you here, John, how 558 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: did they move how they were placed and moved on? 559 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: For Marshawn Latimore. Obvious he was such a staple in 560 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: your guy's secondary. You drafted Koli mcinsry, You mentioned Lante Taylor. 561 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: How is the secondary looking without Marshall Lottimore back there 562 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: as your staple? 563 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: Well, Alante Taylor was kind of ascended to the cornerback 564 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: one fly, if you want to call it that. And 565 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: he's you know, he's been a little bit, you know, 566 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: a little bit shaky at times there. Teams have gone 567 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: after him, not like they will go after Marshall Attimore. 568 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: And he's going to have to put his foot in 569 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: the ground and establish himself because you know, he played 570 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 4: really good at slot corner this year. That's where he 571 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: started this year and last year and he had developed 572 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: into a really, really good slot, but he went back outside. 573 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: He believes he's a quarnerback. You know, at heart he 574 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: wants to be quarnerback one. But he's going to have 575 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: to have that consistency that shows that a lot of 576 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 4: times he's in position but he didn't get the ball 577 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: on the ground or doesn't get the turnover, and so 578 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 4: that's the key. Marshall Attimore was able to get the turnover. 579 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 4: He was able to get the ball on the ground. 580 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: That's what Alonte Taylor has to be able to do 581 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 4: if he's going to be in that spot. And Koulaid McKinstry, 582 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: even though he's a rookie, you know, he's from Alabama. 583 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: He's playing a lot of big games in college, so 584 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 4: he's not afraid of the moment. But again he's a 585 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 4: guy who's going to have to prove it in the 586 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 4: NFL because, as you know, it doesn't matter what you 587 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: did in college. These guys in the NFL, it doesn't 588 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 4: matter what school they came from. They probably were the 589 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: best guy at that school and they've got skills. They're 590 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: not just on the NFL rosters because they're handsome. They're 591 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: on the NFL rosters because they can play. And so 592 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 4: you can't like undersell any guy when you're out there, 593 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: especially if you're a couple of quarterbacks who don't have 594 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 4: a great deal of experience, and there's no you know, 595 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: there's no fear factor that people don't look at the 596 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 4: Lante Taylor and Kolid Chistry and say, you know what, 597 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 4: We're not gonna challenge those guys. They're gonna get some challenges, 598 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: all right. 599 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: A final question, and this is more of a look 600 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: ahead question. Obviously, the Saints will be trying to figure 601 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: out what they're doing head coach wise and all that 602 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: stuff this offseason. Do you think it's like rookie quarterback 603 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: or bus could Derek Carr be back? How do you 604 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: think the Saints are gonna handle that situation? I only 605 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: ask you if the Giants are in quarterback lumbo as well, 606 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out how they're gonna handle 607 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: their situation. 608 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: John Well, I mean I think they're you know Derek Carr. 609 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: You know, statistically, if you look at his numbers, then 610 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: you say, you know what those are? Those are productive numbers. 611 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 4: Those are numbers that you can you can win with. 612 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: So I think they I think they like him, and 613 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 4: plus you know, you got a chunk of salary devoted 614 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: to it. But I think they like him enough to 615 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: where he's not in jeopardy now. Obviously, these last five 616 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: games will certainly help his cause or not help his cause, 617 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: depending on how well he plays. But he's a guy 618 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: who you know when you have the full compliment of 619 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 4: players around him, when you have Chris Olive and you 620 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: have Rashid Shaheed and I don't know what, you know, 621 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 4: what's going to have happened with Taysom Hill. He's torn 622 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 4: in acl and he's going to be thirty four, So 623 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 4: that's going to be a difficult ask to have him 624 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 4: come back and be the Taysom Hill we're a customed 625 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: to seeing. But if you can surround him with the 626 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: proper players and you can get some stability on the 627 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 4: offensive line, Derek Carr has not been a bad quarterback 628 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 4: for the Saints. He's been productive, he hadn't turned the 629 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 4: ball over, and you know, not in today's NFL, if 630 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 4: you don't have Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes, you just 631 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 4: want a guy who kind of keeps the car steady 632 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 4: in the road and don't turn it over and don't 633 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 4: lose the game for you ye, So you know, hopefully 634 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 4: he's in that area where you know he might not 635 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 4: win a lot of games, but you don't want him 636 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: to lose the game. Just wanted to keep it steadying 637 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 4: in the middle of the road. So hopefully for him, 638 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: he'll play well these last five weeks. But I don't 639 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 4: think he's in jeopardy of going anywhere because again, he's 640 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: played well. His numbers say he's played well. He's had 641 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 4: a couple of you know, he'd had a couple of 642 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 4: decisions where, like most quarterbacks, you say, man, you really 643 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 4: shouldn't have done that. You know, he's had a couple 644 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: of picks where you know, you look and you say, man, 645 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 4: he really should not have done that. But for the 646 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 4: most part, he's been steady. And you know, when it's 647 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: time to take a sack, he takes a sack. When 648 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: it's time to throw it away, he throws it away. 649 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: When it's time to dump it at somebody's seat, he 650 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: throws it at somebody's seat. So he's been pretty steady 651 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: from that standpoint. 652 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: John Sage shoves to New Jersey. Thanks so much. Good 653 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: luck the rest of the way. Good luck for what's 654 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: going I'm sure gonna be an interesting offseason to cover, 655 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: and we'll see you on Sunday. Man, thanks so much 656 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: for the time. 657 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 4: Hey, John, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. 658 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 659 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. 660 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 661 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: you should talk to Citizens. 662 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care I'd like to 663 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: learn about Annuli route. Yes, I knew I could. 664 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: Help makes sense of your money with Citizens. 665 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: Good stuff from John. The Giants Little Podcast is brought 666 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 667 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: Citizens will donate seven hundred and fifty dollars of the 668 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: Giants Foundation for each scoring drive during the twenty twenty 669 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: four season. Learn more at citizensbank dot com slash Giants. 670 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: And now we're gonna head to the head coach of 671 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants, Brian Dable, with the voice 672 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: of the Giants Pop Papa, and. 673 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 5: As always we're joined by the head coach of the 674 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 5: New York Giants, Brian Dables. The Giants take on the 675 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: Saints and coach and you take a look at this 676 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: Saints team led by Derek Carr. One thing that they 677 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: do a really good job of is protecting the football. 678 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 5: He doesn't turn it over. Just talk a little bit 679 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: about what they do schematically to make sure that they're 680 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 5: pretty buttoned up in their operation. 681 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 682 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, he's a good quarterback, has one 683 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 3: hundred and three point three quarterback rating. Like you said, 684 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: does a good job of protecting the ball. But I 685 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: think coach Kubiak does a nice job of really running 686 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: the ball using his action game. You know, they try 687 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: to stay out of unfavorable situations where you know, a 688 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 3: lot of times quarterbacks will make bad decisions or it's 689 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: a little bit tougher to protect. But he gets the 690 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 3: ball out and knows where he's going with the football, 691 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: and the run game certainly helps. Yeah, they lose Taysom Hill, 692 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: but they still have Alvin Kamara, who's you know, he's 693 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: such a multiple threat because he leads a team in 694 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: both rushing yards and receiving yards. So they'll use him 695 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: as much as they can, won't they. Yeah, I mean 696 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: he's he's the number one guy. We have to do 697 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: a good job of defending in terms of their their 698 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: skill guys, they try to get them the ball the 699 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: variety of ways. He's he's good with the ball in 700 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: his hands when they handed to him. And then obviously 701 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: they use him a lot in the past game. He's 702 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: one of the most used running backs in the past game, 703 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: whether that's out of the backfield, motion them out to 704 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: a receiver position. He has good hands, has good instincts, fast, 705 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: He's been a productive player for a long time, and 706 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: that's why they get him the ball, and they do 707 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: it early, and they do it often. 708 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: Coach of obviously, stopping the run is imperative, and you 709 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 5: know you took some hits, especially with you know, an 710 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 5: all pro like Dexter Lawrence being knocked out of the 711 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 5: lineup for the remainder of the season. What's the messaging 712 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: to your team as far as the defense and making 713 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 5: sure that you guys are sound because Kamara could break 714 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: the game wide open. 715 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to do a good job up front, 716 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: and you know, our young guys that are going to 717 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: play today or are going to have to be up 718 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: to the challenge of playing physical, of executing assignments. So 719 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: then you know, the second level is going to have 720 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: to do a good job of their run fits and 721 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: the third level is gonna have to do a good 722 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: job of tackles if those balls get past the first 723 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: or second level of holding it to a ten to 724 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: twelve yard game, you know, we cannot continue to have 725 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: these long, long runs. It's it's you know, it hurts, 726 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: It changes field position ultimately leads to points. So you know, 727 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: playing good at the line of scrimmage run fits on 728 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: the second level, and then tackling if it does get 729 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: out on the third level. 730 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 5: Let's go to the offensive side of the football where 731 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 5: you know when you take a look at protecting the football, coach, 732 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: they're really good. The Saints defense is at interceptions there 733 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: seven of them on the season. What makes them so 734 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: good at doing that? 735 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: Honey Badger is a pretty special player. You know, he's 736 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: made a few of them. Does a great job reading 737 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: the quarterback's eyes. He's very instinctive. He might be supposed 738 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: to be in a certain spot, but he vacates it 739 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: because he sees something that you know, he's an instinctive player. 740 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: He's played a long time and they've done a nice 741 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: job of getting their hands up. I'll get in some 742 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: tip balls, and a couple of defensive linemen have interceptions 743 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: one down in. 744 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 5: The red zone. 745 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: So again, they do a nice job of giving you 746 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: a variety of looks, but their players make some good plays. 747 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 5: You know, when you take a look at the guys 748 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 5: that they have up front, there's a lot of veteran 749 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 5: leadership there with Jordan obviously, who's been in the league 750 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: and has been in multiple Pro Bowls. Shepherd's been around 751 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 5: for a while, Granderson, you got Chase Young coming off 752 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: the edge, and then to Mario Davis is just one 753 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 5: of those guys in the middle that never seems to 754 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 5: go away. And they mix things up a little bit, 755 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 5: don't they with that front. 756 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they got, like you said, a lot of 757 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: veteran leadership. Davis is, you know, he's the main stay 758 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: in the middle there and he's he's a tough, physical player, 759 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: been that way for a long time. Obviously, Cam's been 760 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: there since twenty and eleven playing football and playing at 761 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: a high level. And then you know, you put Matthew 762 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: back there, and then they got some young players with 763 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: with Taylor who's you know, has a few years in 764 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: the league, and kool Aid coming out as a rookie. 765 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: They got a good mix. 766 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 5: Let's talk a little bit about Drew Locke. Uh, you know, 767 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 5: it was a tough spot for him on a short 768 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: week on Thanksgiving with Devido not able to go. Now 769 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 5: he's had a full week of preparation. Why was it 770 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: important for you to you know, give him another shot 771 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 5: at this and let him let it rip this this week? 772 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, he came on and that short week, you know, 773 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: had some walk through reps. Now he's been in practicing 774 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: and and doing show team things. But did some did 775 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: some good things, did some things we certainly can clean up, 776 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: but thought he earned an opportunity to go out there 777 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: and have a full week of practice to go ahead 778 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: and put his best foot forward. 779 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 5: Tyrone Tracy and the entire running game is something that 780 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 5: I know you want to lean on here early in 781 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 5: the football game. You know, when you've got injuries on 782 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 5: your offensive line, just like on your defensive line, of 783 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 5: the ball really kind of is the next man up philosophy, 784 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 5: isn't it? 785 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? 786 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: It has to be. 787 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't slow down for anybody. So you know, 788 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: we're worked through this this week. Obviously a couple injuries, 789 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: but the guys that will be in there. 790 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: We'll be ready to go. 791 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 5: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes is always. Best 792 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 5: of luck this afternoon against the Saints. 793 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Thanks Bob all Right, great stuff there from Coach Dable, Bob, Papa, 794 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: John Deschazer, and of course Tyler Nuban Giants rookie safety. 795 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: That's all we have for the Giants little podcast brought 796 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens the official bank of the Giants. 797 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilk. Thanks you being with us. Enjoy the 798 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: game on Sunday, everybody. We'll talk to you next week.