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Speaker 1: welcome back to X ray Vision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we are talking about the upcoming new

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Speaker 2: John Wick movie.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of it?

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Speaker 2: It's called Ballerina, which is interesting. Ballerina. That's because it's

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Speaker 2: a spinoff. Yes, exactly, So it's a spin off.

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Speaker 3: It starts on a damas. We haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna use this as a chance to talk

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Speaker 2: about the Drunk franchise, talk about gun Fu, one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite sub genres that takes the close quarters of

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Speaker 2: shit kind of crazy guns being used in completely illogical

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Speaker 1: Okay John Wick. John Wick's Ballerina starring on an armis

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Speaker 1: our one of our werewolf in Vampire Phaves Len Wizman.

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Speaker 1: The film takes place during the events I Love the

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Speaker 1: Love the People, I Love It, I Love Timeline Shifting,

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Speaker 1: UH spinoffs, Fast and the Furious style chronology. So this

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Speaker 1: film takes place during the events of John Wick Chapter

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Speaker 1: three Parabellum, which is an interesting note for the apparent

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Speaker 1: and it follows Eve maccarl out of Diarmis, who is

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Speaker 1: beginning her training in the assassin traditions of the Ruska Roma,

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Speaker 2: We saw them training in the kind of theater in

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Speaker 1: Believe, and according to Variety, Lionsgate which is at this

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Speaker 1: of about twenty eight to thirty million from thirty four

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Speaker 1: Vallerine is looking to add another thirty million from international

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Speaker 1: markets after that. SO we're gonna get a chance that

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the film after we see it,

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Speaker 1: but this is our conversation to get you ready for it.

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Speaker 1: We talk about various things related to john Wick, Anody Armis,

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Speaker 1: and Len Wizman. First of all, Rosie, what does this

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Speaker 2: I think the reason that the john Wick movies are

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Speaker 3: I think this comes from an era where they wanted.

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Speaker 1: Quote unquote good really, but they are. The casts are

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Speaker 1: Yes, and again, the talent is fantastic. I get Kate

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Speaker 1: so love love Len. Here's the issue. I don't want

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Speaker 1: which gives me some pause about Ballerina because two thousand

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Speaker 3: They don't even go to Mars.

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Speaker 1: They don't go they don't even go to Mars, which

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Speaker 1: Crazy? And so that part of it, I'm a little

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Speaker 1: I'm a little worried Rosie.

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Speaker 2: So so I will say, I think the thing that

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Speaker 3: I hope that what this can do is lean into.

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Speaker 1: How here's a question that I think anyone who's closely

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you number.

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Speaker 2: One reason that this movie proble will not be massively successful.

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Speaker 1: The people John Wicks, John Wick's by John Wick. Ballerina

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Speaker 2: So I do feel like I'm like, there is something

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something about Oh, Norman Readers hair dependent, Right,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let me tell you this, this is one

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Speaker 3: Like there feels like there has been a whole world man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's.

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Speaker 1: A positive note up in the air. It's been fun

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Speaker 1: to go to the movies this.

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Speaker 3: This spring and something we had much good movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even the ones that are bad are kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna I'm gonna continue to enjoying going to

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Speaker 1: the movies and seeing from the world of john Wick Ballerina.

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Speaker 3: Yes, from the lot of john Wick Ballerina.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with the Omnibus on Gunfu. Yeah, and we're back. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Omnibus where lore and analysis

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Speaker 1: and understanding come together. Today we are discussing the cinematic

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Speaker 1: subgenre gun fu, a bullet ballet through the lens of

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Speaker 1: the John Wick franchise, perhaps its most famous exponent. Yes,

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Speaker 1: gunfu is exactly what it sounds like, folks. It's a

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Speaker 1: style of modern action that combines martial arts style, choreography

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Speaker 1: and gunplay. The results, at their best, as in the

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Speaker 1: John Wick series, brings shape to the chaos of combat,

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Speaker 1: creates a deadly dance. The roots of the subgenre go

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the Hong Kong action films

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Speaker 1: of the sixties and seventies, the Kung fu films, the

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Speaker 1: Wusha epics, and its branches reached through the decades and

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Speaker 1: across the ocean to Hollywood's adopt adoption of the style

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Speaker 1: in films like Desperado the Matrix, which is perhaps the

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Speaker 1: most famous and popular combination of Wusha and Hollywood style gunplay.

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Speaker 1: The Wanted, the kind of criminally underrated wanted film, and

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Speaker 1: it's book based on a comic book by who, let's

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Speaker 1: forget who wrote, and of course and of course the

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Speaker 1: John Wick film series. This is a wild ride, So

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Speaker 1: go ahead and grab two release the doves. Let's dive

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Speaker 1: in slow motion. In slow motion, even if you're not

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Speaker 1: a fan of Shaw Brothers films or you know classic

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Speaker 1: kung fu and Wusha films, Wusha being a style of

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Speaker 1: Chinese storytelling involving adventure, martial arts, medieval weaponry, and kind

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Speaker 1: of like righteous justice. You know the tropes involved with

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Speaker 1: these kinds of things, most notably perhaps the image of

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Speaker 1: a lone hero, perhaps armed with a sword or spirit,

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Speaker 1: but perhaps unarmed, taking on a horde of enemies, dozens

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Speaker 1: of enemies.

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Speaker 3: All alone, with lots of wirework.

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Speaker 1: Yes, these films dominated the Hong Kong based cinema of

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Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, and the style eventually trickled through

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Speaker 1: to the US with nineteen seventy one's kind of martial

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Speaker 1: arts landmark Billy Jackow a forgotten film at this point,

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Speaker 1: and of course with the superstar star comet that was

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Speaker 1: Bruce Lee. But by the mid eighties, Bruce had passed,

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Speaker 1: and martial arts films, even in Hong Kong entered a

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Speaker 1: kind of transition period. In the US, these kind of

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Speaker 1: films which were so associated with Lee, almost alone with him,

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Speaker 1: had retreated to the realm of b movies. I See you,

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Speaker 1: Jim Katta, I see you. You know, the Ninja franchise

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Speaker 1: also as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is an omnibus for another day, but

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Speaker 2: it was so connected to Bruce Lee that we entered

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Speaker 2: into an era of what we call Bruce ploitation, which.

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Speaker 1: Was movie they got the fake people.

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Speaker 3: Who were fake Bruce Lee's. So it really was that

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Speaker 3: connected to him.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, those American stories like Jim Cotton, like

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Speaker 2: American Ninja three, American you know.

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Speaker 1: I love I love the American American Ninja three. I

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Speaker 1: believe is the one where she's possessed by the spirit

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Speaker 1: of the ninja. Right, Yeah, I love that one. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So by the eighties, Hollywood action had become dominant, and

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Speaker 1: the action of this period was much more heavily armed,

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Speaker 1: much more heavily muscled. We're talking, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger,

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Speaker 1: sly stallone, and they were still taking on masses and

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Speaker 1: masses and massive bad guys. It's just that they were

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Speaker 1: gunning them down with like M sixty machine guns and

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Speaker 1: with you know, assault rifles with grenade launchers under the barrel.

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Speaker 1: Jackie Chan's landmark police story from nineteen eighty five took

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Speaker 1: these action oriented Hollywood influences like car chases, gunplay, etc.

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Speaker 1: And blended it with Jackie's trademark kung fu choreography and

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Speaker 1: his iconic daredevil stuntwork to create this kind of modern

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Speaker 1: day cops and criminal story that provided the energy of

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Speaker 1: a kung fu brawl, but in a contemporary action setting.

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Speaker 1: Here were the stirrings of a new kind of action language.

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Speaker 1: The Hong Kong tours were essentially asking, how can we

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Speaker 1: take what we were good at, what we know, the wushu,

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Speaker 1: the martial arts, and combine it with this new world

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Speaker 1: of firearm driven action, and so enter jhn Wu. Wu

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Speaker 1: came up through the kind of Hong Kong kung fu,

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Speaker 1: wusha and romantic films of the period, but by the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, influenced by American action films, he began to

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Speaker 1: create something new. He took the elegant, the precise choreography

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Speaker 1: of kung fu and then honestly simply added guns, usually

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Speaker 1: two nine millimeter barettas, one in each hand. This genre

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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong and in Asia was called heroic bloodshed,

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Speaker 1: and it's probably it's the closest analog that we have

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Speaker 1: to the style that we call gunfu.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: Wu launched his cinematic fuselage with a Better Tomorrow nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six. He followed up with my personal favorite film

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Speaker 1: of his, The Killer in nineteen eighty nine, So many doves,

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Speaker 1: so many exploding cars, so much action, so much romance,

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Speaker 1: and then followed those up with what many consider his

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Speaker 1: masterpiece nineteen ninety twos, Hard Boiled. These films almost alone

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Speaker 1: really created an entirely new language of action cinema, as

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Speaker 1: Anthony Leong wrote in the Films of John Wu in

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Speaker 1: the Art of Heroic Bloodshed quote. Before nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong cinem was firmly rooted in two genres, the

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Speaker 1: martial arts film and the comedy. Gunplay was not terribly

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Speaker 1: popular because audiences had considered it boring compared to fancy

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Speaker 1: kung fu moves or graceful swordplay of Wusha epics. What

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Speaker 1: movie grulers needed was a new way to present gunplay

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Speaker 1: to show it as a skill that could be honed,

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Speaker 1: integrating the acrobatics and the grace of the traditional martial arts.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what John Wu did. Wu did that

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Speaker 1: by shooting action scenes with incredible deliberation and precision and style,

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Speaker 1: using every tool he had tracking shots. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: sweeping Dolly moves, all of it, often drenched in languorous

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Speaker 1: slow motion. Incredible amount.

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Speaker 2: If you have said mission impossible too, Yeah, how much

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Speaker 2: this man loves slow.

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Speaker 1: Motion love, And perhaps most importantly and subtly, he shrunk

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Speaker 1: the range of a gun. No, your hero can shoot

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Speaker 1: a guy from across the street, from across you know,

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Speaker 1: a football field, but that's not fun to look at.

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Speaker 1: That's what the traditional Asian audiences were considering pouring. And

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Speaker 1: so the idea was to shrink the effective range so

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Speaker 1: that a gun is more like a knife or a sword.

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Speaker 1: And the results were both incredibly violent and style but

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Speaker 1: also intimate. And I think this is incredibly well exemplified

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Speaker 1: by The Killer, where your hero the anti hero assassin

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Speaker 1: gone rogue. He does gun down like dozens and dozens

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Speaker 1: and dozens of suit wearing hit men who are trying

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Speaker 1: to kill him Hollywood style, but also when he confronts

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Speaker 1: his foil, the heroic cop, who is the also the

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Speaker 1: only person who who's he's both pursuing the assassin the killer,

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Speaker 1: but he's also the only person who really understands him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's very lame his robs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all of these. There's one extended standoff around

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Speaker 1: the blind love interest that they both kind of share,

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Speaker 1: where they both have their guns out and they're holding

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Speaker 1: their guns against each other, you know, against the other

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Speaker 1: person's header, against the other person's side, while having this

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Speaker 1: normal casual conversation pretending to be old friends in front

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Speaker 1: of this woman who can't see what's going on, and

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Speaker 1: the results are so unique and again so intimate for

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Speaker 1: an action movie. Nineteen ninety two's Hard Boiled Again. Woo's

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Speaker 1: what many consider his masterpiece has probably his crowning achievement

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Speaker 1: in film, a nearly three minute long take gun battle

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Speaker 1: which takes place inside of a hospital that is just

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Speaker 1: getting blown apart, and it is fantastic. The camera willet

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Speaker 1: you will never forget it, and the camera prowls alongside

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Speaker 1: Chaalian fat as he blasts his way through corridors of goons,

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Speaker 1: both up close and medium distance, the mayhem unfolding in

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Speaker 1: real time. It's a jaw dropping sequence that you will

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Speaker 1: not forget. The long take not only shows the virtuosity

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Speaker 1: of Wu, his skill is technique, and his stunt team,

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Speaker 1: but it also exemplifies Gunfu's core idea treating gun play

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Speaker 1: with the same discipline, staging, and spatial awareness as a

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Speaker 1: kumfu sparring match, and Hollywood noticed that this stuff was happening.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty nine is Teguin Cash starring so Uster Salona

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Speaker 1: in a shockingly buff off liberally stole from Chan's nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five police Story, including its crowning stunt in which

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Speaker 1: Chan like slides down a pole that is surrounded by

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Speaker 1: these kind of Christmas light type wire lights and the

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Speaker 1: lights all pop as he slides down. By the mid nineties,

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Speaker 1: Wu had come to La been lured over, where he

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Speaker 1: arguably became the go to Iraq action director of the period.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair to.

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Speaker 3: Say, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: Releasing a string of hits, including nineteen nine seven's Face Off,

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Speaker 1: which I think contains some of the most pure gun

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Speaker 1: fu sequses in in Wu's oof and is also one

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Speaker 1: of the weirdest movies ever made. It's so weird, so strange.

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Speaker 2: I went to see it at videots for my birthday

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and it was so funny

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Speaker 2: to watch it in a sold out theater with a

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Speaker 2: ton of people and a lot of them definitely hadn't

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Speaker 2: watched it before, and like every single time they're like.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take the face everyone was like cheering.

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Speaker 2: Like. I also think that something that Face Off has

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Speaker 2: and why I think John Wick ended up becoming so

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Speaker 2: popular and so perfectly suited to the era that came out,

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Speaker 2: and is Face Off is very silly.

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Speaker 3: It's Nick Cage, It's John Travolta, It's John Wu.

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Speaker 2: There is like very silly. There's a lot of laughs,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of unintentional loves. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: like real melodrama, which which we love. Think, yes, John

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Speaker 2: Weary very read a serious and I think that the

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Speaker 2: combination of gun fu and then like a kind of grim,

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Speaker 2: gritty American action aesthetic that really brought those two things together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Quentin Tarantino praised John Wu as quote a sheer

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Speaker 1: genius who reinvented the crime action genre, liking likening Wu's

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Speaker 1: influence to that of Sergiolioni on westerns or Jean Pierre

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Speaker 1: Melville on crime thrillers. I Love John Pierre Melville. Robert

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Speaker 1: Riguez gleefully stole from John Wu or borrowed from John

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Speaker 1: Wu's influence in his nineteen ninety film ultra low budget,

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Speaker 1: ultra indie action masterpiece Desperado. That film's hero and Tanner

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Speaker 1: benderis is a mariachi with a gun, dives in dual

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Speaker 1: wields like Chowian Fat in John Wu film blowing away

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Speaker 1: bad guys in a dusty Mexican bar to the tune

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Speaker 1: of an electric guitar. Rodriguez openly acknowledged that Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: cinema was a major inspiration. In an interview at ascreenwriting

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Speaker 1: dot Com from twenty fifteen, Rodriguez said, quote Luke Skywalker,

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Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones could have been any color.

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Speaker 1: That's what I learned from the John Wu movies. When

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Speaker 1: you see a John Wu movie, you want to be Chinese.

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Speaker 1: You want to be one of those guys. I knew

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Speaker 1: it wasn't because they were Chinese, it was how he

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Speaker 1: presented his heroes. I think a hero can be of

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Speaker 1: any color or any race, if the filmmaker treats him

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Speaker 1: with a lot of respect and of course a lot

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Speaker 1: of style too make them look cool. All of this

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Speaker 1: evolution and cross cultural pollination paved the way for a

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Speaker 1: movie like john Wick to explode kind of surprisingly onto

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Speaker 1: the scene with copious headshots. John Wick, directed by former

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Speaker 1: stuntman Chad's Dahelski and uncredited co director David Leach, is

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Speaker 1: the culmination of decades of gun fu refinement and also

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Speaker 1: a little bit of like UFC Brazilian jiu jitsu influence

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Speaker 1: as well, which is kind of amped up the genre.

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Speaker 1: It distilled the genre to its its pure essence, a

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Speaker 1: highly trained assad mowing through wave after wave of guys

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Speaker 1: in a series of beautifully choreographed combat scenes that mixes judo,

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Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, and glocks in equal measure. Stahelski approached the

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Speaker 1: project with a reverence for Hong Kong action cinema techniques.

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Speaker 1: He said that the key to grade action is training

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Speaker 1: the performers relentlessly and shooting the fights clearly, with the

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Speaker 1: crew and camera operators all working in unison with the

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Speaker 1: stunt team, a philosophy explicitly learned from the feet of

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong masters like You and Wuping. While working on

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Speaker 1: the Matrix with Keanu Reeves in Hong Kong, Stahelski has

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Speaker 1: noted the action team operates holistically. Quote. The cameramen were

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Speaker 1: ex stunt guys, The editors were stunt trained. From the

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Speaker 1: editor to the director to the performers, all on the

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Speaker 1: same page. They were all at the rehearsals. Adopting this approach,

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Speaker 1: Stahelski ensured Keanu Reeves was not just memorizing moves, but

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Speaker 1: actually trained intensively in gun handling and martial arts and

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Speaker 1: even in tactical driving, essentially turning the actor into a

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Speaker 1: stunt professional. And that's why the action in Wick looks

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Speaker 1: so good, looks so fluid, looks so authentically brutal. You

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Speaker 1: can feel how real it is. The fights are executed

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Speaker 1: and filmed in these long, kind of flowing takes as

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Speaker 1: much as possible, with wide angles that let you see

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Speaker 1: everything that's happening, all the exchange of blows, all the gunshots,

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Speaker 1: all the cartridges expended from the gun. This is a

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Speaker 1: deliberate break from the kind of Jason Bourne driven quick cut,

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Speaker 1: shaky hand heldcam style of the two thousands. As Stahelski

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Speaker 1: points out, too often the American approach to action is

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Speaker 1: overly edited to quote hide imperfections, whereas the Hong Kong approach,

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Speaker 1: which he seeks to emulate, is to train and shoot

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Speaker 1: in the way that there's nothing to hide. The camera

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Speaker 1: in John Wick doesn't wobble around just to create fake energy. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it tracks smoothly. It lets you see everything. It lets

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Speaker 1: the physicality and the action speak for itself, and the

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Speaker 1: effect is what it is. It's exhilarating, it's shocking, it's surprising.

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Speaker 1: The influence of gunfu extends, of course, well beyond the movies.

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Speaker 1: It's permeated all of the pop culture landscape. For when

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Speaker 1: it revolutionized how video games portray combat, the most obvious

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Speaker 1: example being Max Pain, the hit two thousand and one

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Speaker 1: video game and the ensuing sequels that is essentially a

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Speaker 1: love letter to John Wu, in which it's hero Max,

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Speaker 1: that kind of grizzled cop dual wields nine millimeter burrettas

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Speaker 1: and dives over things in slow motion bullet time, you know,

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Speaker 1: blazing away like Chili un fat. The developers even filled

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Speaker 1: that game with levels. The developers even filled the game

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Speaker 1: levels with Fluttering Doves as an easter egg to John

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Speaker 1: Wu's films. And so here we are in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: waiting for the opening of from the world of John

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Speaker 1: Wick Ballerina, from Hong Kong to Hollywood, from video games

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Speaker 1: to the big screen to you know, Ballerina and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Gunfu has proven to be one of action cinema's most

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Speaker 1: exhilarating evolutions.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: And this couldn't be better timed because we recently got

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Speaker 2: some very exciting news which is straight from Can that

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Speaker 2: Hard Boiled has been restored.

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Speaker 3: From the original.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five millimeter camera negative it premiered it Can and

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Speaker 2: it's going to be available in North America through Shout

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Speaker 2: Factory Studios, and they have actually started a new entertainment

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Speaker 2: label that we've all been really excited about called Hong

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Speaker 2: Kong Cinema Classics, and yeah, I cannot wait for this.

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Speaker 2: It's also going to have the restoration of the original

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Speaker 2: Cantonese theatrical mono track.

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Speaker 3: Like it's gonna be great. And so if you've never

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Speaker 3: seen Hard Boiled, you're gonna be able to shit in

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Speaker 3: beautiful four K very soon.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of X Ray Vision we are

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Speaker 2: bringing you a roundup of the biggest nerd news of

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Speaker 2: the week, along with my interview with the incredible Philipope Brothers,

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Speaker 2: the directors of the new A twenty four chiller Bring

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Speaker 2: Her Back, which is in theaters on wide release this week.

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Speaker 2: And if you've been saying, oh, I wish I could see.

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Speaker 3: You guys on the screen more, well, guess what. That's

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Speaker 3: also going to be on YouTube. So go to YouTube.

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Speaker 2: People watch it there and yeah, it's gonna be It's

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Speaker 2: gonna be.

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Speaker 3: A lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Carmen Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bay wack.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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