1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,519 Speaker 1: You know, I mentors Sean Merriman, so when I saw 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: the commercial hit, I was like, hey, you got Sean 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: dogging cats. But then here comes Steve grabbing the ball, 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: and that's you. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: Bumps because you talk about the concept of it and 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: what we're trying to show. The grind from week to 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: week seasons, you know, through the fall, through the winter, 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: right regardless. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: Indoor the other was changing on. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got a grind 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 4: on the game. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: Conversations with a Legend and now here's LeVar Errington. 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to another exciting edition of Conversations with a Legend, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: presented to you by up On Game Presents. I got 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: my man steam tailback. I mean, if that's what you 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: want to call him, some people might call him a 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: freak train big dog. Got my man Steve Jackson with 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: me on the show. Appreciate you coming in joining the 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: show man, having a conversation with you. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: How's life been, man, How you doing well? 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: Thank you firston for having me man. I grew up 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 2: a huge fan of yours when I was in high school. 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: I watched you at Penn State, So I appreciate this 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: conversation that we're about to have. 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 5: But I'm doing good, man. You know, I look at 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 5: the game. 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: I just marveled about what we were able to accomplish 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: ourselves because you realize all the things that's not in 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: your control when you're in that when you're in that huddle, 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: you think. 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: You are right right. 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: So you're from Vegas, Vegas, cat, did you like tell 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: me about that experience, Like is it just born in Vegas? 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: Did you move around? Like? 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: What what what was the what's your background, what's the upbringing? 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: What? What was that like? 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: No, So I'm born and raised Las Vegas, one of 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: the few. And you know, my mom and dad are 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: from Arkansas. 40 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 5: Dad ye had. 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: Dad did some time in the military, and once he 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: got back from the war. Being no war, they moved 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: across the country. You know, he said, sixty dollars and 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: a car pull of stuff and moved out west. Heard 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: they were hiring Vegas, got a gig on the strip. 46 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: He and my mom both about found jobs on the 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: strip during the New Year's time. You know, you up 48 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: employment expecting for the crowds, and then back then, you know, 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: stuck around. Thirty five years later, he worked his way 50 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: up from an entry level job of being a porter 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: to being a casino manager, and you know when that's 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: when you know, family owned and people are able to 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: move up the corporate ladder sort of speak. 54 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean what was that like, man? Like growing 55 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: up in Vegas? Like people think of the Strip, people 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: think of so many different things. You know, football doesn't 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: come to mind. I mean you might think of the 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: running Rebels or something like that from UNLV, but football 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: you don't say, Hu Vegas. I mean, I know Bishop 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: Gorman is there, and I know that they they've. 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: Had some good football, But I mean, what's that like? 62 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: What's football like there? 63 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 5: No? 64 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: It was you know, football here growing up especially, was 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: very low profile. It wasn't a big scene. And now 66 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: that you know, you have some of these national names 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: that you reference, uh, you know, disposures getting out there, 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: But growing up when I was here, no, I mean 69 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: it's city living, getting in outside all day but getting 70 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: in before dark, and very little fields to work on 71 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: your crafts, so to speak. 72 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 5: So I was a kid man. 73 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: I just ran, ran heels, ran some of the mountains 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: around here, putting a lot of work on bleachers back then, 75 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff. And I was just 76 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: dedicated to what I thought, or what was an escape 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: for me? And the reality was I wasn't. It wasn't 78 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: much going on. The city was only really poor adults 79 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: at that time, so you couldn't go on the strip 80 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: as a kid and the other stuff he had going on. 81 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 5: You know, I was. 82 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: Fortunate enough to come from a two parent household, so 83 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: my dad wouldn't let me get involved in that. 84 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 5: So my escapeism was the football field. 85 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: I could dig that. You you're a big bat. 86 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: You you were, you were a big and you talk 87 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: about being a fan of me. 88 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: I was a fan of you watching you. 89 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Tote the bill, tote the rock for the beavers man, 90 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: and all I could remember was I want to hit him, 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: like I want to play against this dude, because you 92 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: were explosive, you were fast, and your type of back. 93 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's really like a handful of guys 94 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: that you can say were the type of back that 95 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: you were. You know, you throw Eddie George up into 96 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: the mix of that. I mean, there's a few more 97 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that you know you could kind of throw out there. 98 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: But you were a break the mold type of back. 99 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: When you were coming out, you said high school ball 100 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: was relatively low key, and obscure. 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: How were you were you recruited? 102 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean because the size and the speed and athleticism. 103 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you had to be a top rated guy 104 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: coming out, right. 105 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. 106 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: I was in the recruiting and that back then, little books, magazines, yeah, 107 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: assalons right right right, but never could this steam point 108 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: of national notoriety. So you know, schools like Nebraska recruited me, 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: but they saw me as a defender, you know. 110 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 5: More and more as a linebacker. 111 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: And you know the other bigger schools here on the 112 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: West coast, you had U C l A with the 113 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: Sharon Foster at the time, and they just wasn't winning. 114 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 2: And so when I was coming out of high school, 115 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: USC was down. My freshman year at Oregon State was 116 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Pete Curll's first year at C. So that dominance of 117 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: south you know, Southern California, which just wasn't prevent when 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: I was getting ready to come out and get one 119 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: to have a scholarship. So the Northwest and and me 120 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: wanted to be in the Pac Ten kind of were 121 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: locked in. And it was like a Destiny coach ericson 122 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: which I was. I knew his work from Miami Hurricanes. 123 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: He came, and he came to my house, gave me 124 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: a pitch of of his life and my life, and 125 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: a lot of things that he said to me made sense. 126 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: He had two senior running backs and no one to 127 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: kind of stay claim to who's going to be the 128 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: next guy, And I just jumped at the opportunity. You know, 129 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: I believe that better myself. I believe in my talent 130 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: that given other underclassmen, I could compete. 131 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 3: You were a terror. Yeah, how how was that? 132 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times people have to overcome 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of elements when they leave from high school 134 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: to college. I too was a tailback. I was I 135 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: was a big back, and I was the opposite. I 136 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: wanted to play defense. I was getting recruited to play tailback, 137 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to play tailback. 138 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: I just feel like the. 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: Game can be taken out of your hands and it 140 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: could be put into somebody else's or into something else, 141 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: and you could be rendered, you know, kind of a 142 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: non factor. And I really didn't like I like action. 143 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: I needed action every play for you going to school. 144 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you chose it, he gave Coach Erickson gave 145 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: a pitch of his life. You end up there and 146 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: you were I mean, you didn't have to wait long. 147 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: From what I can recall, you were right in the 148 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: mix of it and you were making an impact. What 149 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: was that like for you, Like, was there any major 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: challenges that that were unforeseen? Like people look at what 151 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: you were able to do, but then they're sit there 152 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: and be like, you know, it probably comes easy for him. 153 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: He probably never had the struggle because he was bigger, stronger, 154 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: faster than everybody that he was going up against. 155 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 156 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: No, So I think the challenge was just getting my duke. 157 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: As you stated, freshman year, I played as the true freshman. 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm back up two seniors, and the opportunity that I 159 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: recall is, you know, playing special teams and making an 160 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: impact there. And that's when I started really buying into 161 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: it a team sport, right, Because to your point, it 162 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: did come easy until I got to a college level 163 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: and when I started really realizing the impact of what 164 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: you can have on a game if you put in 165 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: the right positions and then have the opportunities, it started 166 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: to start to click a little bit. But then when 167 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: the two senior guys went down against USC in the 168 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: coliseum and I was thrown in the fire. It was 169 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 2: more so showing my commitment in love for the game. 170 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: You know, I offered often reference to I'm an I'm 171 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: an old school in mind because I studied you guys 172 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: so much. 173 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: I knew everything about you all because I wanted. 174 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: To eventually beat you So with that respect for the 175 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: game and my knowledge of the game, it was my opportunity. 176 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: When these two guys went down in the coliseum, I 177 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: felt like it was just uh, it was a divine intervention, 178 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: so to speak, and that was that was my chance. 179 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been to Oregon State. You know, 180 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: I'm tight with with with TJ. We do a show. 181 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: I make fun of him a lot like Oregon State 182 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: this and that. But y'all be producing some ballers out 183 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: of there. What what was that? Did the Did the 184 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: success on fill equate to you know, pressures or an 185 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: interesting life as it applied to you guys, you know, 186 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: for you in particular off the field. 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: That's an interesting question, I believe. Yeah, it's one of those. 188 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: It's a small town, small college town, very friendly people, 189 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: but it's still somewhat it's not it's it doesn't have 190 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: quite the diversity of some of these other larger campuses 191 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: have right, so and so to speak. When you're one 192 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: or two percent of the population of what campus is, 193 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: you got recluse to each other and you got to 194 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: lean on each other for experience and to make sure 195 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: you're not tripping, right, Like, this is what I went 196 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: through today. 197 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: Did you experience this or how you have that happen 198 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 5: to you? 199 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: And it's kind of like I just it's it's when 200 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: you come back to neutral and you feel like, okay, 201 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: all right, I'm not tripping. 202 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 5: This is the experience of what I am, what I'm 203 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 5: going through here in the. 204 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: State of Oregon on campus, largely because sometimes you know, 205 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: what I experienced, okay, is that people want to help, 206 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: but in helping they kind of drown your voice out 207 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: because you know, they can't quite living your shoes and 208 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: to your leans. So although I was this big star 209 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: athlete on campus, there's still was some experiences that I 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: lacked from what I grew up grew up with and 211 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: we're used to. So in that setting, it makes you 212 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: all bald important. It makes the emphasis of family and 213 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: leaning on one another even more, you know, bolded, because 214 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: it's really what you're living out training for the game 215 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: is what you're living out of your college experience, hoping 216 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: and you know, to take advantage of the opportunity. 217 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: Who was your person? 218 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, like that's that's a great it's a great answer, 219 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: and it's respectable. 220 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: But you and I know we be dealing with a 221 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: whole lot. 222 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: Like there's those moments of even if you're doing well, 223 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: there's moments of like uncertainty, you know, frustration, you know, excitement, 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: There's so many different emotions that especially when you're the star. 225 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: You know, who was your person? Was it? Was it 226 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: a teammate? Was it? My person? Was? Was on the 227 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: track team. 228 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: And it was it was a lady lady lion that 229 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: ran and we were best friends. We knew each other 230 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: since high school. Wasn't a loving basketball type of story. 231 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't like that, but that was my person. You know, 232 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: I had the ricky moment like I'm tired of this, 233 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I didn't fell to 234 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: my knees, bro I'm crying, like crying, like I don't 235 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: understand why things are going this way. And I can 236 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: remember her talking me off the ledge, like let's jump 237 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: back in our books when when all else fails. You know, 238 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: your education is the key and just keep believing in yourself. 239 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Did you have a person that that when you had 240 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: your moments that was like that person that you talked 241 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: about community and drawing close. 242 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: Who was your person? 243 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: So it was a senior running back. The name was 244 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: Ken Simonson, and he's the school all time lead rusher. 245 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 5: Right. 246 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: So I was fortunate enough to not only play for 247 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: a guy that broke a lot of records and kind 248 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 2: of set the standard for myself, but also he was 249 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: a Pittsburg, California guy that Bay area, and he had 250 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: some sense. He actually made me start looking at the 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: world and it broader and broader terms. 252 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: Right. 253 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't too social laser focused and just think about 254 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: football singularly. And he would prove these questions or he'd 255 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: point out the history of what we were living through, 256 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: and he was, you know, bringing that kind of awareness 257 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: to myself. So I was fortunate enough to have a 258 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: senior running back pour into me so early because he 259 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: saw the potential. You know, I was humble, you know, 260 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: I was I was I was willing to put into work, 261 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: but at the same time, I was a sponge and 262 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: he fed into that in the right way. 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna transition on you the pack. You said, the 264 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: PAC ten, then it went to the PAC twelve. That 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: ten came and took U c l A and the USC. 266 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Now y'all are going to go back to the PAC ten. 267 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: What's your you're watching it take place. I'm gonna talk 268 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: to you about nil because obviously we're gonna get to 269 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: the commercial, one of the most legendary commercials ever shot 270 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: as well. We're gonna touch on that and how multifaceted 271 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: you are. But talk to me about what you feel 272 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: about the PAC ken. Can it survive where you think 273 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: things are going. 274 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I think it will survive. 275 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: Just the shariness of the population and people are proud 276 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: of their schools, just like anywhere else in the country. 277 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: Disappointed USC and U c l A. The you know, 278 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: to kind of pull the rug from underneath us where 279 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: and in a year or two you're gonna have negotiation 280 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: regarding new contract money. And right now it looks like 281 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: you're so far behind the US, I mean, the SEC 282 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: and some of these other conferences because of their licenses 283 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: and their tv RISS but you're not getting a consideration 284 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: that the Pack was the first one to do a 285 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: TV deal, right, So you're ahead of yourself at a 286 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 2: time where now the markets surpassed us and it's just 287 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: about having a correction. 288 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: But more poortland where I think they really. 289 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: Lost sight of it is regionally, right, you're not securing 290 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: the best talent in California or in the southern Western 291 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: states because some of our best talents being poached by 292 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: the SEC. So you know, if you think about it 293 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: in terms of a politics, you're not securing your own borders. 294 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: So how can you then say, Okay, it's we're the 295 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: ones that's carrying the conference and you move on to 296 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: another conference as alliance where you're not doing anything or 297 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: doing the best that we could to work together as 298 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: a conference and secure that we keep our best talent 299 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: regardless of where they go on the West Coast. 300 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: So that's I mean, what do you think happens that 301 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: do usc UCLA going into the ten? Are they able 302 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: to recruit better? What what does that mean for Oregon State? 303 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: What does that mean for or again, I mean what 304 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: does that mean for the pack? 305 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: Now? 306 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: In terms of that that idea of what the recruitment 307 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: of the players looks like, especially in the in the 308 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: areas that that you guys are are in. 309 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 5: Right. 310 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: So if I'm if I'm Morgan stated, if I'm there, 311 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: if I'm on this committee, on this board, and we're 312 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: talking about how are we going to attract new talent, 313 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: it's to do exactly what we kind of hit on you. 314 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: You don't you look inwardly and you think about self reflection. 315 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: We want to bring some of these top athletes in 316 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: from these areas that is obviously being abandoned. 317 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 5: We need to go in there and have a real 318 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 5: conversation with them and their families. 319 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: You know, this is what it looks like now, but 320 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: this is what you can help us build towards towards 321 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: the future as well as we're going to allow you 322 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: to play out you plays early as long as your 323 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: talent does so in your grace reflect that. But also 324 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: we're going to make sure that your family is involved 325 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: on how we're going to help you build a brand 326 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: for yourself, how to help you go out into the 327 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: larger world and deal with that. These hurdles that come 328 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: before us not just about building alliances, but it's about 329 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: working through issues and problems with other people. And we 330 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: can have I best give you that example here because 331 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: and more than likely it's not going to be your 332 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: normal life or what you've been used to. 333 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: All right, before I get up out of college, I 334 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: gotta ask you in il because we're gonna talk. We're 335 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: gonna talk about how you have been almost in essence, 336 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, you have been active, proactive, almost like a savant, 337 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: and being more than just a football player. We'll get 338 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to that as as we move into the next next 339 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: level of your life in this conversation. But n I 340 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: l if the nil is there while Steve Jackson is 341 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: is in in college, what does that look like for you? 342 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 5: Oh? I think I think I sent myself apart. 343 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: You know what these kids call, you know, content creator 344 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: or one of these renaissance people is leading the way. 345 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: I think that's what I would have been in those shoes, 346 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, because I understand how the storytell Understand that, 347 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: you know, everyone doesn't get to live these realities that 348 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: we had a chance to, and how to package that 349 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: in a way that it's approachable. 350 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 5: I have a I have a gift for that. 351 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Mm hm, you always have. So let's let's let's let's 352 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: delve into that. You end up going as a high 353 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: drive pick you go to the Rams. The Rams was 354 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: still a hot team at the time, still in Saint Louis, 355 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: and hell I can remember playing against y'all and you 356 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: were were the guy. 357 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: What was that? 358 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: What was that experience like for you in terms of 359 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: you marketing and branding yourself and and how did that 360 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: play a part in in your popularity because you grew 361 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: to popularity really quickly coming into the league. And you know, obviously, 362 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: again if we were to say Saint Louis, the Saint 363 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: Louis Rams, they were like the popular team, people would 364 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: be like really like everybody's thinking in LA these days, 365 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: But that was a vibe back then to be on 366 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: the Rams and you were. You were on that that 367 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I want to say, the last of the Mohicans before 368 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: it went bad kind of sort of for Saint Louis 369 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: and they ended up leaving. 370 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 3: So what was that like for you? 371 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: Being that like you took over the mantle, Like wasn't 372 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: going to be easy to do it with Marshall Folk 373 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: being the guy he was, and you know Arland was 374 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: up in the mix out of point in time. 375 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 3: But what what was that like for you? 376 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 5: H was challenge? 377 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: You know, everything you said, was it was an upward battle, 378 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: upward hill battle because you know, you have two times 379 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: officer in MVP and Marshall and some of the other 380 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: things he was able to accomplish. 381 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 3: Wow, he was still there. 382 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: He was still there being you know, uh, and here 383 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: I come. I'm not clean cut. You know, I had 384 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: these long hair tattoos. So I looked the pullou opposite 385 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: of what they've grown to luve and for me to 386 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: come in and challenge that, it wasn't going to be easy. 387 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 5: And it wasn't you know, if they had their opinions 388 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: on me and what. 389 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: I did though, and what was always driven driven in 390 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: me from high school was reflected on is I was 391 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: a hard worker. It was why I got it. I 392 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: got a chance to escape. So regardless of how beat 393 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: writers wrote about me or how fans felt about this 394 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: new this new kid trying to take their favorite player's job, 395 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: I knew that if I continue to just consistently work 396 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: hard and me just show up, they eventually get to 397 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: see the. 398 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 5: Other side of me. 399 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: And that's eventually what I just did, you know, And 400 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: it almost made made even more sense because blue collar 401 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: people are that way. You know, my work after it 402 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: reflected what their life really is. Yeah, it made more 403 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: It made their guard come down, and it made me, 404 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: I guess, seem more approachable. 405 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 3: Have you ever heard? 406 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Because when I first was seeing you, you were big, 407 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: You did have the dreads, you did have the tax 408 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: and I was a dread too, So I know all 409 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: about it. I see you going, you going back down 410 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: the journey as well. I don't know how far you're 411 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna go with it, but it won't go that far. 412 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 3: You had, you had your main. 413 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: You had to the Tats and look they who win 414 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: the war, right, rite the history? 415 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: Right? That's all you see. 416 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all you see now, like so and and 417 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: and in so many ways, you're you're a pioneer. I mean, 418 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: if you look at Henry, that's a carbon copy in 419 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: terms of big, rocked up fast tats dreads. Right, Like 420 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: you're a pioneer. How does that feel now? Knowing that 421 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: you had to do that uphill battle? It's almost like 422 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: in a way, it's almost like an AI type of scenario, right, 423 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: because you were the first one. 424 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: Like literally, I could. 425 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: Say confidently I'm thinking, I'm you know, you could think 426 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: about like them you boys like nausea dive important A 427 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: few of them, Edgar and James. 428 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: But they weren't. They weren't larger than life figures coming in. 429 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't like this. 430 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Big, tall, ginormous running back tats and dreads and he's 431 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: he's out on them. 432 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: Like, what was that like for you? Now? When you 433 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 3: look at where the game is, the culture of the game, 434 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: now what you know, how does that make you feel? 435 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: You know, it makes me feel good because it means 436 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: that I did my part right, you know. Not only 437 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: did I you know, help break it into the day 438 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: to day Sunday football watchers television said, you know, because 439 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: you're talking about the commercials and things like that, right, 440 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: I was able to be on the sphearhead of that. 441 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: But also I guess I handled myself in a way 442 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: that they didn't have those those stereotypes you want to 443 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 2: put on that look or what you want to assume 444 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: about that person that looks like, you know what I 445 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: look like. 446 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 5: I broke those those I. 447 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: Helped break some of those doors down to make now 448 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: that these guys are getting contracts and theseials and not 449 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: having that second thought of what I knew I faced 450 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: in the boardroom. 451 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 5: It just it proves that I did my. 452 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: Job, So let's let's talk about that led to endorsements, 453 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: knocking down the doors. I just had this conversation with 454 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: my homie yesterday, so I'm real tight. 455 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: You know. I mentored Sean Merriman. 456 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: So when I saw the commercial hit, I was like, hey, like, 457 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: hardest commercial to this day. It's still the hardest one 458 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: to this day. The last of the Mohicans, I referenced earlier. 459 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: They're playing the theme music from from the Muse, from 460 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: the movie you got Sean dogging cats. But then here 461 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: comes Steve grabbing the ball and rolling out and doing 462 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: what he's doing, and that's you. 463 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: How does that? 464 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, in the moment, I'm sure it's like, man, 465 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool commercial. But where you are now, 466 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: how do you look at a moment like that? Like 467 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: how do you internalize that you're part of one of 468 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: the most iconic Nike commercials ever shot? 469 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 5: And it's goosebumps? You know. 470 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: I remember in college we used to get some of 471 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: the prototype claques, right, and we would get these shoes 472 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: given to us and practice in and it was like, damn, 473 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: if I could just find a deal with Nike one day, 474 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: that would be like one of the freshest, dopest moments 475 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: that I you know, man, but then to then fast 476 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: forward to be one of the part of the most 477 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: iconic commercials the marketing. It changed the way football commercializes 478 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: itself and how it pushes the products. But to be 479 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: you know that that prototype that I mean, it outlasts 480 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: me my time on this earth. 481 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 5: So it's dope. 482 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: It's one is dope, but it's very humbling because I 483 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: remember just wanting to get some pre product as a 484 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 2: college issuest. 485 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: Right, how does that make you feel to know again 486 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: that that guys, you know, it's always who can come 487 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: up with something next? Like where does the next game 488 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: changing content comes from? How does that make you feel 489 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: to know that that's a standard? Like, guys are still 490 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: probably influenced by that commercial. 491 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: How does that like, that's got to be a cool feeling. 492 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 5: It is. 493 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: It is because you talk about the concept of it, 494 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 2: and what we're trying to show is the grind from 495 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: week to week seasons, you know, through the fall, through 496 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: the winter, right regardless indoor. 497 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: The other was changing on yeah, exactly right, right, every 498 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 4: week you got to grind and you know when they're man, 499 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 4: you got the pressure of him breathing down your back, 500 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 4: or you got the pressure of me rugging ready, were 501 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 4: trying to. 502 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 2: Bring you over, right, Who's going to stop you? And 503 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: then next week the challenge only becomes even greater. So 504 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: for us to be able to convey that in less 505 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: than a minute, you know, we still they would talk 506 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: about it nearly twenty years later. It just it was 507 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: it was I was happy that we put in the 508 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: effort that we did because we talked about it right 509 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: as you talk about you like, I want this to 510 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: be dope. I want people to remember this. So for 511 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 2: us to go and put that kind of commendment in 512 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: and deliver on that, it means that we're gonna stick 513 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: around for a long time. 514 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: Truth, let's talk about let's stay. Let's stay in that 515 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: that area. In terms of branding yourself, in terms of 516 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: being more, you have always proactively been more. Like I 517 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: always say I'm a guy that played football. I'm not 518 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: a football player. I've never been a football player. I've 519 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: always been a dude that played ball and I actually 520 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: was good at doing it and I love doing it. 521 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: But I never subscribed to I'm the jersey number on 522 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: my back, I'm I'm you know, this is what I am. 523 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm a football player, like I'm that's I love the game. 524 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: I love what it's done for me. But I was 525 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: always proactively trying to leverage the game and what it 526 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: represented to ultimately become what I wanted to be. I 527 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: saw that in you. I saw you, you know, doing 528 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot. I know you did the boot camp, the 529 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: media boot camp. At one point in time, I know 530 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: you were doing you know, media and different things like that. 531 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: How has that gone for you? And what was your 532 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: approach in terms of building your brand and and being 533 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: you know, I heard you mentioned a renaissance type of guy. 534 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: How has how how how was that or why was 535 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: that a mindset for you? How did you approach it? 536 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: And where are you with that now today? 537 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 538 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: So it's the click the ball I guess started rolling 539 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: and things start clicking for me when times are getting 540 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: bad at Saint Louis, right, you start giving you you're 541 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: not on Monday night football, you're not in the prior 542 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 2: time spot and the things that you're accomplishing. Its kind 543 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: of being just read or a small bleep in a paragraph, right, 544 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: And I was like, holy crap, Now, if I don't 545 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: get controlled of the narrative now people say now, But 546 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: I then I was like, if I don't get control 547 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: of this narrative, I'm quickly going to be a memory. 548 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: And so I then start going back to what you 549 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: lived in your journey is actually you started pulling from 550 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: that as inspiration and the two things that I lived 551 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: through and in Vegas always promote myself as being one 552 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: of the greatest cities to escape to, always promising some 553 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: type of reward for risk, right, And then when I 554 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: got to Oregon, I saw how Nike was just such 555 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: a dominant force in the sports world. I started thinking about, Okay, 556 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: how do I bring these two together for myself? And 557 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: I did that by shooting a documentary I documented. I 558 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: did the documenty cause a Week in the Life, you know, 559 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: and it's telling me the story again more intimate level. 560 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: And I shot that and we released that on YouTube. 561 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: And when I saw how much interest I got, you know, 562 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: I was up for what was called the webby between 563 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: the Onion La Times and myself. So I'm like, WHOA, 564 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm onto something here. Now, how do I stick to it? 565 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: And as I continue to study it and continue the 566 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: ball that you said the Hollywood boot Camp things start 567 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: leaning out and leveraging the game that I felt was 568 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: taken from us and abuse some body. I started leveraging 569 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: what it was offering to me to grow myself intellectually 570 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: and in different rooms I couldn't get in in my own. 571 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: So where are you at with it now? 572 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 5: Well? 573 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: Now I have my own clothing brand that I'm rocking 574 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: obs obs. Yes, yeah, the website is obs brand dot com. 575 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: So thank you for that, all right, But the brand, 576 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: what the brand is is overcoming the bsublock. 577 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: Okay. So we're all going to have some issues. 578 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: We're all going to grow up through some things that 579 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: have traumatize us as kids. There's going to be some 580 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: hurdle that you believe either gender is holding you back 581 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: or your ethnic race is holding you back. There's going 582 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: to be rooms you're going to be uncomfortable in, but 583 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: you got to navigate that for yourself. No one's going 584 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: to come safe true be able to navigate. You got 585 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: to be able to not only communicate your story but 586 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: also your strengths. What can you provide in that room 587 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: to be a favor And once you get that and 588 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: realize how do you make those connections in the room, 589 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: how do you deliver on that, and I continue to 590 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: just and I just impressed on the younger generations because 591 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: I love dealing with younger athletes, dealing with high school students, 592 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: but because at that point it's so pivotal. You could 593 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: go left or right, and I'm just trying to press 594 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: on them that, you know, continue to be uncomfortable because 595 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: the moment you're in the smartest one in the room, 596 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: or you don't want the biggest success. 597 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 5: In the room, y'all grown that room. 598 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: You to continue to look for how do I overcome 599 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: the next circumstance of my life? 600 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: So motivational. 601 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: I sold closed in high school to get by, but 602 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: it's helping tell the story and motivating that next generation 603 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: to keep going. 604 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: True true, I love that. 605 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: So Obs, make sure you go to OBS brand that is, yes, sir, 606 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: obsbrand dot com. 607 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Yeah, make sure y'all go. We'll put that 608 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: up and push that out. 609 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Uh, looking at the league, Now, what's your what's your 610 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: take on it? Because it was it was still it 611 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: was still bang bang, you know, back then it was 612 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: still it was still a whole lot more physicality connected 613 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: to it. You just talking about, you know, some of 614 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: the things that you got to get addressed, you know, 615 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: health wise and stuff like that. Before we even started 616 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: the interview, bro we was thumping back then like it 617 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: was bumping grind back then. The game has still has 618 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: some dogs, but largely it's it's a it's an evolved 619 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: it's a changed approach, it's a changed physicality total overall 620 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: to how the game is played. How you think you 621 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: would have done in today's NFL. 622 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: You know, I think just to ship they don't hit 623 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: in practice, right, I think that says that saves and 624 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: probably left in my career another two or three seasons 625 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: where you know, I had some of these coaches, they're 626 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: coming into the team because we were bad the year before. 627 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: They then they got to toughen you up. 628 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: So I'm I mean, I'm living, I'm live practice, right, 629 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 2: and then now I have to go out on Sunday 630 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: and do it again and entertain that in itself. I 631 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 2: think length is my career. I'm more dominant. The game 632 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: is spread out and uh, and I don't I still 633 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: don't know how officials are calling this crown or the 634 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: hell oft thing right? So interesting enough, I think the 635 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: league has been intentions of protecting people, but at the 636 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: end of the day, you can't gu guarantee anything. So 637 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 2: what I challenge the league and say is take care 638 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: of the guys afterwards and let the game be what 639 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: it is. It's physical. It's a physical game, and you 640 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: know those are choosing to play. 641 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 5: We live with that. 642 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting and I like that because you're right, take 643 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: care of the guys. 644 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna rap with this. I'm gonna rap 645 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: with this. 646 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: But you got some legendary dudes that came through Oregon State, 647 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: and I mentioned them and I do a show on 648 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: Saturdays with TJ called up on game. Do you have 649 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: any stories on TJ. Hushman Zada, because I'm just curious. 650 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: I remember him. Obviously, he's my generation of players. We're 651 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: a little bit older than you, but you was in 652 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: at the same time as us going into Oregon State. 653 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: Is there anything on t J. Hushman Zada. 654 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 5: I have nothing. 655 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: Now, you don't have nothing. 656 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 5: I have nothing. He's a good brother, I have not. 657 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 5: I have nothing on him. 658 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: He was always one of those guys that actually taught 659 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: us to have school pride because before then, you know, 660 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: before that group got there, it was a losing it 661 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: was a losing program right to see these guys on 662 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: Saturday scoring touchdowns, doing the pack down right, they're on 663 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: live TV doing like some some hood stuff you like, like, 664 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: I want to I want to roll with them cats. 665 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 5: I want to be down with So. Teacher has always 666 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 5: been a good dude. 667 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: Man. I can't say one bad thing about him. And 668 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: he's very passionate about our legends. The way he talks 669 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: and interviews is the way he talks behind closed doors, 670 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: and he's very you know, he he gets the little 671 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: hands slapped from the table when he's making an emphasis. 672 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: So my thing is love, man, It's numb of love 673 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: and respectful him. 674 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: True true truth. 675 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: All right, before I let you go, Man, you just 676 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: talked about obs. Is there anything else that you're promoting? 677 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: Anything else you got going on? 678 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: Talk to me? 679 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 5: It is so. 680 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: I have a barber school here in Las Vegas, Nevada. 681 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: My best friend and I Carl Little's uh. He was 682 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: our master ball and our instructor there. We grew up 683 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: together in high school. He's always been someone that actually 684 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: he grew with me and and our growth individually. He 685 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: went out and he wanted to become an educator, and 686 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 2: I supported that in the sense that we're ranked four. 687 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 5: Ninth in the country as a school district. 688 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: Very limited opportunities here for the juncsters blown up in 689 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: Vegas outside of industry work and for us to promote individualism, 690 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: being original and being true to who we are. I 691 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 2: believe in creating career paths, not just complaining about it, 692 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: but actually action and doing something about it. So we 693 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 2: came together, put our minds to work, and we created 694 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: this barber school, the original barber school, which is a 695 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: second meaning for the obs there, so you can't forget it, 696 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: but the original barber school here in Last Vegas. We're 697 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: one hundred percent full with a waiting list just as 698 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: long as our opening. But it's one that the community 699 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: has braced. We've given out numerous things to the community, 700 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: so we're not only taking what we're giving, but we're 701 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 2: also giving these young people a career path for them 702 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: to be able to take advantage in the future. 703 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: But it's speaking professionalism into them as well as helping 704 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 5: them build up their clientele. 705 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: Fire is there a website? 706 00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 5: It is? 707 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: It is, so it's a long one, so bear with me. 708 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: Is the Original Barber School LV for Las Vegas. So 709 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: original Barberschool LV dot com. 710 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: Does that mean you're planning on going somewhere else? 711 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I know that's right, all right, all right, the 712 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: original barber School LV dot com. Make sure we're gonna 713 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: put that up on the bottom of the screen. All right, Man? 714 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: Is there anything else? 715 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 3: Is that is? 716 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean as if that's not enough, but I want 717 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: to make sure anything that you want to put out there, 718 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: that you have this opportunity to put it out on 719 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: the platform. 720 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 3: Anything else you got. 721 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 2: Those of that who does not follow me, please follow 722 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: me on my social media most of them. I'm at 723 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: SJ three nine on Twitter and then on Instagram. Mom, 724 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: I am SJ three nine. I use my platform there 725 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: to hopefully to inspire, to encourage, and to motivate those 726 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 2: of you that may be just fans of sports, but 727 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: also enlightening. I believe in pushing the narrative, pushing people forward. 728 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: That's what I stand for. That's what I believe in. 729 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: So I'm continue to grow and I hope you know, 730 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: enjoy if you decide to follow the growth in myself, 731 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: and we'll I'll be pushing to the rest of the community. 732 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jackson, y'all. 733 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: This is Conversations with a Legend presented by up On 734 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: Game Presents. Man, y'all been blessed today, dope, dude. I've 735 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: been excited about the opportunity of pursuing to get the 736 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: interview with you, and it's great to hear from you, 737 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: continued success to you, and yeah, like we're gonna put 738 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: this out there because people need they hear the positivity, 739 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: they need to feel the energy of Juggernauts that have 740 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: played this game but are humble warriors. Man, You're a 741 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: humble warrior, and you know I appreciate your approach to 742 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: to what you do and how you do it and 743 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: anyway we can support you, we gonna continue to support you, man, 744 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: So we'll probably most likely be in contact with you 745 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: to make sure we can we. 746 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: Could do just that. 747 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 5: Thank you. 748 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 3: That means a lot to me, my man. 749 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: Steve Jackson y'all, uh, formerly of the Rams, the Saint 750 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: Louis Rams played for I want to say the Falcons, right, yes, 751 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: and I know you ended up with with Belichick. 752 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do another one. 753 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: We'll have a whole conversation on that too, because uh, 754 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's always an interesting one. But I got 755 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: we got, we got some interesting stuff. But we got time. 756 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: We'll probably circle up at some point and dude, do 757 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: it again. 758 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 5: I would love that. 759 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: Man. 760 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 5: Play it any time, my man. 761 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: Next time we might do it. We might do it 762 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: in person, you know what I mean. You never know, 763 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: might do it in on the face to face. 764 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let's do that. That happened, man. 765 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Man all right, you'd be well you 766 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 3: as well. 767 00:37:52,480 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 5: Thank you.