Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in that it's a real features.
Speaker 1: I'm giving this little Tony microphone to Peco.
Speaker 3: I do it?
Speaker 1: Does it look funny? Yes? It looks so cute.
Speaker 3: I was just reading my fan mail on your Twitter.
Speaker 1: You're a fan mail? Oh no, thanks, Caitlin. Really shame
Speaker 1: because Andrea is brilliant and I definitely listen. I agree, listen.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Okay, everyone, welcome to the Renee stubs.
Speaker 1: What are you are you already telling me what to do? Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis podcast. Hi everyone. You know,
Speaker 1: we try and get into studios. Sometimes we can, sometimes
Speaker 1: we can't. I didn't book it today, so we're in
Speaker 1: Kaitlin's apartment. So if you hear noise in the background,
Speaker 1: it's it's New York City, so you need to just
Speaker 1: get over it. It is time for us to wrap
Speaker 1: up our US Open coverage. And before we get started, though,
Speaker 1: it is a happy motherfucking birthday to the one and
Speaker 1: only Andrea Bitch. She wishes she was thirty. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you my little tiny microphone, and Caitlin
Speaker 1: and I are going to share one. Okay, So here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 3: Happy birthday to the do I have to hold it
Speaker 3: through the close? That's fine, isn't it so cute? It
Speaker 3: is very okay.
Speaker 1: So let's get started on the US Open. Let's just
Speaker 1: get right into it. Let's start with the winners, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into questions that were sent to me
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Blah blah blah. And let's start with the
Speaker 1: men because it was so close. It was yesterday, straight
Speaker 1: set win for Yannick Sinner. Nobody was surprised by that.
Speaker 1: I actually picked him to win in straight sets, and
Speaker 1: I also picked him to win the tournament, didn't I Caitlyn?
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what about Caitly.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: I picked Tilor Fritz, which I will say in retrospect
Speaker 2: is stupid.
Speaker 3: However, he made a final. No, I thought there was
Speaker 3: a brilliant.
Speaker 1: I actually have to give you kudos.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was good that was I did pick him. When
Speaker 1: Djokovic lost, I said, Taylor will make the final.
Speaker 4: I was hoping Taylor would put Renee just can't. That's
Speaker 4: the one thing you should know about Renee. She can't
Speaker 4: just let anybody have a win, so she will just
Speaker 4: stamp her name onto everything that Caitlin has achieved with
Speaker 4: her random ass Taylor Fritz call, who's never made it
Speaker 4: past the quater finals.
Speaker 3: That is brilliant. And I'm giving you the win. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a ninety win because
Speaker 1: technically my player won the tournament.
Speaker 2: I was happy to see Center win. He deserved the win.
Speaker 2: Play excellent. He was I thought, improving match to match.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys felt the same way,
Speaker 2: but he looked even more solid and yeah, sort of unfettered.
Speaker 2: I think when he came into turn In at the beginning,
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of the question mark answered questions.
Speaker 4: Answered, Yeah, I think think the I think in the
Speaker 4: semi finals he didn't look great. I think he was
Speaker 4: struggling with playing Pukey Jack Draper. I thought in the
Speaker 4: second week that was his worst match of all. My
Speaker 4: favorite match, I think the best match he played was
Speaker 4: the one against Tommy Paul where Tommy Paul played the
Speaker 4: match of his life and somehow found himself to two
Speaker 4: sets to love down. I think my favorite match of
Speaker 4: Yannix was the one against Media Dev because he showed
Speaker 4: what he can do. One day he was playing serve
Speaker 4: and volley he was slicing, he was playing a few
Speaker 4: drop shots. You saw a few in the final as well.
Speaker 4: But that's where I saw a real improvement from janicks Ina,
Speaker 4: who just played incredible at the beginning of the year
Speaker 4: but was kind of zoning, and now I see actual improvement.
Speaker 1: I give a lot of credit to Darren k Hill
Speaker 1: in that regard, and I know his other Italian coach, Simon,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he does great work with his technique,
Speaker 1: and I see him on the court, you know, he's
Speaker 1: this sort of more of the xces and guy, and
Speaker 1: Darren is a little bit more of like the stats
Speaker 1: guy and looking at how to beat somebody and how
Speaker 1: to utilize his strokes. And I think that he's done
Speaker 1: such a good job of making Jannick Sinner into a
Speaker 1: really whole player. And I mean, my god, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I was there for that Tommy Paul match
Speaker 1: and there were times I was sitting watching the points
Speaker 1: in the stands because I had the night off after
Speaker 1: because I'd worked the first match, and I was like
Speaker 1: literally going, oh my god, what is going on? These
Speaker 1: two are so fucking good. They're so quick, They're hitting
Speaker 1: the shit out of the ball. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: tennis is on a different level now, It's crazy. It's true.
Speaker 3: I got to do an Italian TV hit.
Speaker 4: Oh my God because they super tennis yeh SkySports.
Speaker 2: And he talked to me about the Americans, which we'll
Speaker 2: get to and how good a tournament this was for them.
Speaker 2: I think that was the main point of the interview.
Speaker 2: But then they were like, oh, what do you think
Speaker 2: about Center and Medvedev? And I was like, I kind
Speaker 2: of have to think. This is like the final, right
Speaker 2: and this is probably the highest quality.
Speaker 1: We called it in the green room the de facto final,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to take away anything from anybody else,
Speaker 1: and we didn't, but well, they were the two highest
Speaker 1: left in the drawer.
Speaker 3: Djokovic were bounced, and we want.
Speaker 1: And the only two guys that want to Grand Slam.
Speaker 2: The only experienced players. Said but no, I love the variety.
Speaker 2: I love seeing him come in. I love the fact
Speaker 2: that he seemed to like added dimensions to his game
Speaker 2: in a way that like I love.
Speaker 3: I mean, does anybody not like this guy?
Speaker 4: I think some people have the and that's what I
Speaker 4: will say. I think some people are some people find
Speaker 4: his game boring, but everyone who thinks that. I would
Speaker 4: just urge them to watch him live, because when you
Speaker 4: see him live, it's absolute insanity. How he moves, the
Speaker 4: balance he has at every single shot that he plays,
Speaker 4: and what was so impressive to me. I called his
Speaker 4: match against Jack Draper court side, and I think it
Speaker 4: was the first time. Yeah, it was the first time
Speaker 4: I called anything of.
Speaker 3: His court side.
Speaker 4: And even with Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal, even they
Speaker 4: take pace off when it comes to crunch time, when
Speaker 4: it comes to tie breaks, when they want to make
Speaker 4: a ball right when it's break point, they sort of
Speaker 4: go for big targets, a bit more spind Yannickxenner fucking
Speaker 4: goes for more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays faster. I was shocked.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it, and I kept and I don't
Speaker 4: go when I'm courtsided.
Speaker 3: I tried to be respectful of the people in the booth.
Speaker 4: I don't want to come in more than the guys
Speaker 4: that are actually talking.
Speaker 3: But I just couldn't believe that this guy is hitting harder,
Speaker 3: and for some reason, his shots seems safer when he
Speaker 3: hits harder.
Speaker 1: I think it was in sane, but that's his way
Speaker 1: of playing. Though his player of playing he tries to
Speaker 1: massage it around and get a little bit like caution
Speaker 1: in his game. Then his feet aren't working right. And
Speaker 1: he has the most incredible tiebreak record. And I said
Speaker 1: it at Wemblede, I said, the thing that distinguishes him
Speaker 1: apart from so many players, And this is what Novak
Speaker 1: was doing for a long time, right, not losing a
Speaker 1: tie break. If you get into a tiebreak with Yannick,
Speaker 1: you better play really like perfect tennis, because he is
Speaker 1: going to play, as you said, aggressive and he trusts
Speaker 1: his shots and he serves big, and he's such a
Speaker 1: good returner. It's ridiculous how well he plays tennis on
Speaker 1: hard court. He's just which is why I picked him
Speaker 1: to win. You know, I just think Alcohoraz is better
Speaker 1: on the natural surfaces. He moves better on clay, he
Speaker 1: moves better on grass, he's a little bit lower to
Speaker 1: the ground. He has that. But Yannick that that sure
Speaker 1: footing on hardcourt is what makes him so good on
Speaker 1: the surface totally.
Speaker 2: And I think maybe to your point, Andrea, that maybe
Speaker 2: is why people take longer to appreciate an etcter because
Speaker 2: Corolos on the natural surfaces, you can play the spontaneity
Speaker 2: of the surface better, whereas Yannick is just moving well
Speaker 2: and it's more like death by a thousand cuts. He's
Speaker 2: not the best, he's going to be everywhere. He's incredibly well.
Speaker 2: He's never he's never a balanced and he gives he.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the great, great, great players,
Speaker 1: they don't like react when they miss a shot or what.
Speaker 1: I think he's arguably the most like quiet, non bullshit,
Speaker 1: not complaining player I've ever seen play. He misses a
Speaker 1: ball that he should make and he just turns around
Speaker 1: and walks the other side. It's unbelievable how he handles
Speaker 1: adverse moments in matches, Like even Rogers sometimes would like
Speaker 1: Shakey's or you know whatever. Rafa would sort of gesture sometimes,
Speaker 1: but oh my god, you know, it's like the poker
Speaker 1: player you want playing for you. He's unbelievable in those moments. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's a really good point because he has
Speaker 4: this thing that I think the last person to have
Speaker 4: it was Roger Federer, that every single match he seems
Speaker 4: to strike the perfect balance of relaxed and focused. I
Speaker 4: think Roger was the last one because with Carlos. You
Speaker 4: see it oftentimes that he has too much tensions or
Speaker 4: is too loose.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can see it with him.
Speaker 4: I think Novak has mastered in a different, different way
Speaker 4: because he always needs a bit too much tension so
Speaker 4: you don't notice it, but he lives off of that.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit angry at everyone, and that's what
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: And to your point, Caitlin, with Carlos, I think why
Speaker 4: people And I was talking to somebody I don't I
Speaker 4: think Robbie Koenig. Actually I was talking to somebody about that.
Speaker 4: To your point, why Carlos flocked? People flock to Carlos more.
Speaker 4: When Yannick doesn't play well, as he didn't in the
Speaker 4: first week, he's right away boring because he's like because
Speaker 4: he just plays a solid and the other one will
Speaker 4: eventually miss right and it's boring. But when he plays well,
Speaker 4: he's the most spectacular player on the world and callous.
Speaker 4: When he fails, he still plays fails gloriously, and I
Speaker 4: think that's why people is like, oh the chaos, that's
Speaker 4: so interesting to watch. And I think that's the difference
Speaker 4: between the two. Because when Sinna is not playing well,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like, why is.
Speaker 3: He so good? And then he plays well and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I remember, Yes.
Speaker 2: Can we take a second to talk about Jack Draper,
Speaker 2: who I think for a lot of people, myself included,
Speaker 2: hadn't seen him play all that much.
Speaker 3: I was really impressed with his swagger.
Speaker 2: I mean, we need to talk about the puking because
Speaker 2: one of the benefits of getting the sick churt side.
Speaker 2: And if anyone's not reading under his substack finite jest,
Speaker 2: please do because you get incredible tidbits like what you
Speaker 2: see when people.
Speaker 3: Puke churt side. But I really want to.
Speaker 2: Sort of get you to, first of all, talk through
Speaker 2: that match in particular, but also like talk us through
Speaker 2: the Jack Draper model, swagger, Lefty, you know favorite bands Oasis, Like.
Speaker 4: I want to ye, what's my favorite genre is grime
Speaker 4: and rap I really makes absolute zero sense. First of all,
Speaker 4: if you have the chance to look at his atp
Speaker 4: bio page, please do. I was dying of laughter when
Speaker 4: I was reading it. In Cincinnati. I called one of
Speaker 4: his matches, and I have to say I really like him.
Speaker 4: I thought he showed incredible resilience in that match. He
Speaker 4: was puking and then continuing, and the chair umpire was
Speaker 4: yelling at him, well, Jack, let's clean it up, and
Speaker 4: he's like, no, let's continue, let's continue.
Speaker 3: And that was very impressive.
Speaker 4: What was less impressive was the smell that just was
Speaker 4: hanging andating on.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I went court soide
Speaker 1: I was at courtside, then I guess the day after,
Speaker 1: and then I was sitting in the referees area and
Speaker 1: I was like, why does it smell like puke? And
Speaker 1: I clearly forgot. I forgot about Jack Draper puking all
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 3: It's just everywhere and everything.
Speaker 4: Camera caught it twice or three times, but Laura Robson
Speaker 4: was next to me. We're pretty sure we saw him
Speaker 4: four or five times, or was kind of behind. I
Speaker 4: was not happy we did a replay of the puke.
Speaker 4: He's like, guys, we can leave that out.
Speaker 3: This is maybe what the people are here for.
Speaker 2: Like how famous from twenty years ago? Like yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I just was impressed that he wanted to keep playing.
Speaker 2: I remember in juniors they used to teach us puke
Speaker 2: right on the court so that they have to clean
Speaker 2: it up to recover.
Speaker 3: So smart.
Speaker 2: So you're like oh, I can at least buy myself
Speaker 2: a little bit of time to like maybe take some
Speaker 2: you know, tablets, or get my stomachs out all.
Speaker 4: So he just wanted to keep playing, like he just
Speaker 4: wanted to keep playing. I really appreciated that. I think
Speaker 4: it had a little bit to do with the fact
Speaker 4: that he's physically he's gotten better, he said it, but
Speaker 4: he's still not at the best he can be considering
Speaker 4: his body type.
Speaker 3: He cramps off and I think.
Speaker 4: I called where he cramped crazy, And I think that
Speaker 4: he didn't want to be the one that again retires
Speaker 4: because he physically couldn't withstand whatever Yanick Sinner was throwing
Speaker 4: at him. And by the way, Yanick Sinner also was
Speaker 4: spitting pickle juice right in front of for me and
Speaker 4: Laura Robson, and you were just like basically holding hands
Speaker 4: hoping for all the smells to evaporate in the air
Speaker 4: whatever was going on.
Speaker 3: And I love Laura, she is so dry.
Speaker 4: And at one point Jack Draper wiped the puke of
Speaker 4: the court and then wiped his face and put it
Speaker 4: in the towel wreck and Laura just looked at me
Speaker 4: and just very dryly said in terms of hygiene. We
Speaker 4: can do a lot better down here.
Speaker 5: Like the Queen I was dying a little better.
Speaker 3: So we could do a little bit better down here.
Speaker 1: In terms of hygiene of hygiene, we could do a
Speaker 1: little bit better down here. So speaking of people that
Speaker 1: sort of lost a little bit of physical gas, was
Speaker 1: Francis Tiafo somebody else who sweats like a maniac, and
Speaker 1: he paid the price because his legs went from under him.
Speaker 1: He said in the press conference after that, he was like,
Speaker 1: my nerves got the better of me. And people don't
Speaker 1: realize when you get nervous, it actually drains your muscles
Speaker 1: as well. You get tired, and you could see that
Speaker 1: in the fifth set. And also Taylor just having a
Speaker 1: bigger serve. It got him through an over line because Taylor,
Speaker 1: if you look at the video at like I think
Speaker 1: it was four all game in the fourth set, he
Speaker 1: looks up at his coach and you know, his coach,
Speaker 1: Mike Russell. He's usually like very stoic, doesn't really show
Speaker 1: a lot of emotion because Taylor's so you know, emotional
Speaker 1: on the court, and he got up out of the
Speaker 1: chair and he was like come on, and he was
Speaker 1: like giving it to him like, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: And that was such a brilliant coaching moment because Taylor
Speaker 1: was he was on the edge. He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: hitting his legs and you're like, oh my god, is
Speaker 1: his leg's going And then Mike sort of like giving
Speaker 1: it to him a little bit. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like two games later, Francis is the one struggling. So
Speaker 1: that was such an important like coaching moment too, because sometimes,
Speaker 1: as you know Peco, when you get in those big matches,
Speaker 1: it's like there's such a fine line between giving it
Speaker 1: everything and knowing if you can give more. It's like
Speaker 1: a weird balance. So when something like somebody snaps you
Speaker 1: out of it, it's like, come on, you can do this.
Speaker 1: You're just like okay, yeah, I can do this, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, oh shit, I'm up
Speaker 1: a break in the fifth And that's what happened. It
Speaker 1: was like ten minutes. It went from Taylor looking like
Speaker 1: he was he was struggling physically to all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Francis looking like he was done, like put a fork
Speaker 1: in him. So it's interesting, how how is france Is
Speaker 1: going to jump like just recover from that because that's
Speaker 1: two back to back five set semi finals that he's
Speaker 1: lost now at the US Open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to jump in?
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm Francis Tiafo and I've had the
Speaker 2: kind of year he has, I actually take that as
Speaker 2: a pretty big positive. I mean, yes, the actual match
Speaker 2: itself and running out of gas is not that great,
Speaker 2: but I also think, like to get back to where
Speaker 2: he was last year after a way better year is
Speaker 2: not actually that much of a step backwards. So I
Speaker 2: think for me, actually, if I'm his team, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's build from there. Like, see, you're still at that level.
Speaker 2: You haven't missed a step. All you needed was a
Speaker 2: couple of good matches in a row. Yeah, shame you
Speaker 2: didn't make it into them or.
Speaker 3: Into the finals.
Speaker 2: But like, I actually thought that was tremendously positive the
Speaker 2: last like last two weeks, given the season that he's had.
Speaker 1: I agree too, But at least it's something that he's
Speaker 1: going to have to think about now for like months
Speaker 1: and months before the Austrain Open rolls around. But they
Speaker 1: also said that he might he wouldn't be maybe as
Speaker 1: nervous at the US at the strain Open as the
Speaker 1: US Open because it means so much to him and
Speaker 1: all the wanting to be the first black man in
Speaker 1: the finals of the US Open since Arthur Ash, all
Speaker 1: the history of you know it just it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more than we realized, an.
Speaker 2: Extra and just certainly the crowd favorite, and of the Americans,
Speaker 2: I think everybody's by far chosen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think if you pulled ninety nine people on the street,
Speaker 2: they would say, I want to get the.
Speaker 1: Way A ninety nine percent of the players who and
Speaker 1: I've asked this question because I did it in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: who's the most, you know, fun guy in the locker room,
Speaker 1: Who's the one that's always in a good mood? Ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of the player said Francis too. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the other one was alchhaz So, I mean, you know.
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say, though, and I don't like
Speaker 2: saying this, but I think it's true, is I think
Speaker 2: his ceiling is just so much lower than all the
Speaker 2: other players. So for me, I don't see him in
Speaker 2: that final unless he adds layers to his game. I
Speaker 2: think he was kind of lucky to get there, to
Speaker 2: be honest, and I wasn't not rooting for him, but I.
Speaker 3: Am so Now she's throwing.
Speaker 4: Now, Caitlin is throwing me a curveball because I was
Speaker 4: thinking about I thought that the first four sets against Taylor,
Speaker 4: Fritz Francis Tiafo played the best match of his career.
Speaker 4: I think what we normally see from Francis is he
Speaker 4: plays brilliantly, then he goes away for two games, then
Speaker 4: he plays brilliantly for a set, then he goes away
Speaker 4: for three games. He played the best match I've ever
Speaker 4: seen him play. He didn't miss a forehand until the
Speaker 4: end of that fourth set except one game. That's when
Speaker 4: he got broken. Taylor was serving a ridiculous amount of
Speaker 4: eighty seven percent first serve. That's why he won the
Speaker 4: second set. Otherwise Francis would have won in three sets.
Speaker 4: He played one bad game where he hit two double
Speaker 4: faults and shank the foehand. That was one bad game
Speaker 4: in four sets. That's incredible. He would have popped, probably
Speaker 4: beaten anybody else on tour. But because Fritz has this
Speaker 4: big serve, he kept himself somehow in and he kept
Speaker 4: himself in that foreset because Francis was much better Yea
Speaker 4: and I think that's what Septus energy because he had to.
Speaker 4: He was like, I want this so much, I'm going
Speaker 4: to be extremely focused. He didn't have any ways, and
Speaker 4: he needs to get there to be this focused at
Speaker 4: this level for long periods of time without sapping his energy.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what scept is energy, not the
Speaker 4: nerves and not the physicality. We all know he's so strong.
Speaker 4: I think I think he focused. He didn't give himself
Speaker 4: one single except for those three points and a second set,
Speaker 4: one single time where he just like looked into the
Speaker 4: crowd and saw who's there and kind of went He
Speaker 4: was just there all the time. And if he can
Speaker 4: get used to this, I think he has a big shot.
Speaker 1: If he can to practice like that.
Speaker 3: You have to practice like that.
Speaker 1: You have to go out there for three or four hours,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's two hours in the morning and
Speaker 1: two hours in the afternoon, and have the same mentality
Speaker 1: that you want to have on match caught if you
Speaker 1: were going to get through those matches. But he did
Speaker 1: say the next day, Oh, he did say after the
Speaker 1: match that the nerves did affect him. So I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I do agree with you. I think that
Speaker 1: he needs to be like that. But also the US Open,
Speaker 1: it just when you were that he was two games
Speaker 1: away from being in the final. Let's not forget he
Speaker 1: was four all I'm telling you, Taylor, if you go
Speaker 1: back and watch the match, he was struggling there physically himself.
Speaker 1: And I think that energy boost for him when you
Speaker 1: won the fifth set, and I think he knows he
Speaker 1: can serve his way through the match then and Francis
Speaker 1: has to work a little bit harder. And Francis's legs
Speaker 1: were gone, he couldn't serve, he wasn't serving well well.
Speaker 4: And then we have to mention that thirty one shot rightly.
Speaker 1: Oh my, that's that was pot We're going to get
Speaker 1: to him. But Nick Curious called that. He said that
Speaker 1: was the point that absolutely killed he was killed Francis.
Speaker 1: No one, no one said it enough, I think on
Speaker 1: the coverage, and it was the point that ruined him
Speaker 1: and he lost it and then it was over after that.
Speaker 4: Well, I always have to sit my favorites and my
Speaker 4: big crush, Jim Courier said too. We were on the
Speaker 4: World Feed together and he called it as well.
Speaker 3: Him like my weird thing with Todd Martin. But yes,
Speaker 3: sometimes you have these weird things. But he said it incredibly.
Speaker 4: He's so good and he said, he said, I've never
Speaker 4: he said it, I've never seen Francis keel over on
Speaker 4: his knees after yeah and yes, yeah, he said, I
Speaker 4: never seen Francis do this.
Speaker 3: I don't think he can recover from it, and he really.
Speaker 1: So let's wrap up. The American men had a great
Speaker 1: tournament though, with Francis getting to the Semis and Taylor
Speaker 1: making the finals.
Speaker 3: We just have to say one thing about Taylor. Fritz.
Speaker 4: Taylor Fritz. I love him to death. He's an incredible competitor.
Speaker 4: I love that so much. He's so fucking resilient.
Speaker 3: And when I saw him on the bench after he
Speaker 3: lost the final, sad he was.
Speaker 4: I saw that was the origin story of his neck
Speaker 4: if he ever wins a major title.
Speaker 3: Seen it in his face, he was plotting it. I
Speaker 3: love that he's.
Speaker 4: Two one dimensional much that he didn't play one single
Speaker 4: angle and one time he framed it and that's when
Speaker 4: he got a free point because was like, oh, that
Speaker 4: he needs to add something to his game.
Speaker 2: You think at a certain point, after two and a
Speaker 2: half sets of tennis and losing, you'd be like just serveal.
Speaker 4: Have you seen he was vollied amazing and it's francis
Speaker 4: amazing And he even said, he said, like, I've never
Speaker 4: volleyed this way in my life.
Speaker 1: Listen. He and I've had this little bit of a
Speaker 1: conversation on you know, messaging, because I say.
Speaker 3: Because you're there, you got to.
Speaker 1: I am you got too. And he says, I know
Speaker 1: we've been trying, but I just it's so foreign for him.
Speaker 1: But my god, Taylor, if you want to win a
Speaker 1: Grand Slam against Carlos alz and Yanick Sinner and Novak,
Speaker 1: because he's still there, you have to improve your net
Speaker 1: game because there are so many times times that he's
Speaker 1: playing the most unbelievable shots and not going in and
Speaker 1: then the ball comes back slowly, and then he smacks
Speaker 1: another great shot and it comes back slowly, and then
Speaker 1: he smacks another shot. It's like, oh my god, just
Speaker 1: take it out of the.
Speaker 3: Fucking air or hit it to an angle, or hit
Speaker 3: it to an angle.
Speaker 4: Because he plays in credit because yesterday was the perfect
Speaker 4: example of a player playing the same game the other
Speaker 4: one just being a tiny little bit better, a tiny little.
Speaker 1: Better, except does everything better?
Speaker 3: Yes better?
Speaker 1: His forehands a little bit bigger, his back ends a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger, and he can hit that angle. He
Speaker 1: comes into the net, improve his game.
Speaker 3: He forces himself. Yeah, he forces himself to do it.
Speaker 4: He also played a huge dropshot that it looked terrible,
Speaker 4: but my power to him.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, guys, I saw them
Speaker 1: practice and he was practicing that a lot. So he's
Speaker 1: trying to implement the layers. To be a great player,
Speaker 1: you have to have layers. Now, that's Carlos has done
Speaker 1: with the drop shot with the forehand. He comes into
Speaker 1: the net all the time. He has such variety. I mean,
Speaker 1: Novak improved his net game. He has dropped shot off
Speaker 1: the backhand, Like, you've got to have variety, and if
Speaker 1: you don't, these guys are too good.
Speaker 2: I think one thing to echo what you're saying, Andrea,
Speaker 2: and you're right, Renee, is.
Speaker 3: That Taylor has I think the mentality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, watching being reminded of his note to himself from
Speaker 2: here ago, saying how much he knew he himself was
Speaker 2: underachieving and this is not acceptable, and he knew he
Speaker 2: could be much better and through resilience and adding layers
Speaker 2: and holding himself to a higher standard of accountability.
Speaker 3: He got to a Grandsom final, which I don't.
Speaker 2: Think even he envisioned, probably for himself, at least not
Speaker 2: in the short term. So to me, I think he
Speaker 2: actually maybe is capable of looking having that on it.
Speaker 2: So maybe that bench moment the origin story Taylor for
Speaker 2: Taylor to get to the next level. Now that he's okay,
Speaker 2: I've gotten to a final.
Speaker 3: What what now is the else where can I can?
Speaker 3: I find more?
Speaker 4: And I will give you a perfect segue to the
Speaker 4: women now, no do you want? It is about the man,
Speaker 4: but I will give you a segue as well. So
Speaker 4: Jim Corea again, Mark Nole, I.
Speaker 1: Mean just an FYI, I do love Jim as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is notable that I love him so much.
Speaker 1: Yes, because your cheeks are red right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: I also put rouge but because it's my birthday, so
Speaker 4: I will say Jim Corey and it's not It's a
Speaker 4: story about him that Mark Knowles told me, which this
Speaker 4: could be a segue into the women's That's why I
Speaker 4: bring it up. He told me the story that they
Speaker 4: were really good friends at Balieri and Jim Corea used
Speaker 4: to get really angry and self sabotage and matches, and
Speaker 4: one time he lost to somebody he shouldn't have lost to.
Speaker 4: He was seventeen years old. And Mark told me after
Speaker 4: that he saw him. They were sharing a room, I think,
Speaker 4: or they saw him in the gym, and Jim said
Speaker 4: to him, I will never let this happen to me again.
Speaker 4: I will never ever lose because of myself again. And
Speaker 4: until the end of his career he never ever did again.
Speaker 4: And this is to me absolutely mind blow. Mark No
Speaker 4: said to me that Jim never again. Would you see
Speaker 4: him get angry, lose his shit, lose his tempo, whatever,
Speaker 4: And I he's a different type. But I still think
Speaker 4: Taylor has some of that in him. I think I
Speaker 4: saw it in his face when he lost. He wasn't
Speaker 4: sad and disappointed and everyone is against me. He was
Speaker 4: fucking angry, and I want to see that emotion because
Speaker 4: he was like, man, this is not enough. I need
Speaker 4: to do better. And that's why I think, Caitlin, you're right.
Speaker 4: I think he has the mentality to turn this around
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I don't genuinely think he's He's
Speaker 1: good enough and has the weapons, and you've got to
Speaker 1: have weapons now to win a Grand Slam, and I
Speaker 1: think he hopefully proved that to himself. And look Roger
Speaker 1: and his movement has improved out of sight in two months,
Speaker 1: like he has gotten faster.
Speaker 3: Is it enough to he needs to be a little
Speaker 3: bit faster.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit gangly and a little bit sort
Speaker 1: of he doesn't move real naturally like even Yannick. He's
Speaker 1: a better athlete. I mean he's a great skier. Let's
Speaker 1: not forget about that.
Speaker 2: To be on the sloops and the dot, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that season and get his bending and his power
Speaker 2: be slower and be able to be a little more nimble.
Speaker 3: Like the Spider Man.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to stay away from skis. Me
Speaker 1: imagining him on skis is not a good thing. Jesus knew,
Speaker 1: but a bit he's improved and he's improved everything. The
Speaker 1: thing for me is that he needs to improve his
Speaker 1: net game and if he does that, he can finish
Speaker 1: points off quicker specialist. Well you know whatever. Anyway, No,
Speaker 1: I wanted to just put a quick mention in because
Speaker 1: we don't talk about it enough. The men's doubles. I
Speaker 1: want to say huge congrats to Jordan Thompson and Max Purcell,
Speaker 1: because if anyone saw their match at Wimbledon in the finals,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a choke it was. It was
Speaker 1: so brutal for me to sit there and watch two
Speaker 1: friends of mine, two Aussie boys about to win a
Speaker 1: Wimbledon doubles title, which is so coveted, you know, in
Speaker 1: the closet of your tennis trophies as an Australian, and
Speaker 1: to watch Jordan Thompson just fall apart. The poor guy,
Speaker 1: he choked so bad and I love him so much.
Speaker 1: And guess I did the women's mixed up, did the
Speaker 1: women's doubles. After the men's doubles, you guys. And I
Speaker 1: came back from the from you know, commentating it. It
Speaker 1: was like ten o'clock at night. There was no one there.
Speaker 1: It was like quiet, and you know it's like in
Speaker 1: the you walk into the players in that door to
Speaker 1: go into where the player's locker room is, the men's one.
Speaker 1: Nobody's there, just the security people. And I walk in,
Speaker 1: I opened the door and who's the first person I
Speaker 1: see walking up the stairs. Jordan Thompson. And he looked
Speaker 1: at me before after the men's match, he obviously cooled down,
Speaker 1: and all the staff and did drug testing and all
Speaker 1: the things, and then the women's doubles finished. And he's
Speaker 1: the first person I saw when I walked in, and
Speaker 1: I looked at him, and he looked at me, and
Speaker 1: he just looked and I just went I almost started crying,
Speaker 1: and I put my arms around him and I said, Jordan,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. And he said, Stubbsy,
Speaker 1: I'm so shattered. I've never been more shattered in my life.
Speaker 1: And he goes, I can't believe this, and I was like, listen.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what to say
Speaker 1: to you. But the only thing I'm sorry, but I said,
Speaker 1: the only thing I'm going to say to you is
Speaker 1: make this the moment that you decide that you're going
Speaker 1: to come back and fucking win this next time. I said,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you can think about right now,
Speaker 1: because honestly, what he went through out there and losing
Speaker 1: that match was so devastating. And it was a great
Speaker 1: story of the other guys. One guy was working in stats,
Speaker 1: the English guy go on, he was like working stats
Speaker 1: for IBM at Wimbledon like three years earlier, on like
Speaker 1: court seven and he won the doubles, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And was Eliavara was like working in an airport in Finland.
Speaker 1: So it was a great story for them, but also
Speaker 1: for me as an Aussie, I was like, I've never
Speaker 1: been so sad for a guy in my life and
Speaker 1: I've just given the biggest hug. I gave him the
Speaker 1: biggest hug, and I was just like blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And so for me to sit there courtside and watch
Speaker 1: them almost lose that doubles match again, when they're up
Speaker 1: a set and five three, two match points lost the game,
Speaker 1: Max Purcell just capitulated, serving for the match, double folded twice.
Speaker 1: It goes into the tie break and I'm thinking, if
Speaker 1: they lose this match, I'm gonna jump off the Williamsburg Bridge.
Speaker 1: For them, I couldn't believe it. And God love them.
Speaker 1: They pulled it out. They played an amazing couple of
Speaker 1: last points and they want.
Speaker 3: To thank god they played Jamins.
Speaker 1: Thank god they played people that choked more than the authors,
Speaker 1: the Gemmans.
Speaker 3: Thank God they played the Jamins.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them. So why to go Jordan,
Speaker 1: Why to go? Max? Maxil already won a Grand Slam
Speaker 1: but Jordan was such a he was the solid one
Speaker 1: in this match. He choked at Womberland. But well done, boys.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them.
Speaker 2: Anyway, That actually is a great segue into the women's final,
Speaker 2: because you can decide to be defined by your worst moment,
Speaker 2: or you can decide to be the origin of your
Speaker 2: comeback and the author of your own fortune. Which the
Speaker 2: winner that everybody predicted and I was delighted to see happen.
Speaker 3: Was Arena Semiga a year ago.
Speaker 2: She was in her ski goggles and Balenciaga hat, having
Speaker 2: basically donated the final to Coca GoF. We love Cocoa GoF.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about her more. But like watching Arena claim
Speaker 2: what was rightfully hers in such a fashion, emphatically, with joy,
Speaker 2: with creativity, with the fastest forehand, with stress. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it was everything that she is, which is everything. She's chaotic, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love it. Everybody loves it. She is giving it all.
Speaker 4: She's New York to me, she's the epitome of New York.
Speaker 4: She's loud, she's in your face, she's chaotic, she's charismatic.
Speaker 3: That's New York to me.
Speaker 1: She's trying to buy the whole place of drink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's New York.
Speaker 4: I think she's It was really sad for me to
Speaker 4: see her play Americans over and over again. By the
Speaker 4: American women are just so good you will run into
Speaker 4: them at one point exactly because I think New York
Speaker 4: would embrace her more than anybody else that's not American here,
Speaker 4: because she just fits the city like nobody else.
Speaker 2: And for what it's worth, I think from what I
Speaker 2: could tell, even against Navarro and Pagol in those last
Speaker 2: two matches, as nationalistic as it got at times, I
Speaker 2: think she's so undeniable and fun that you're watching somebody
Speaker 2: be excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you do have a crowd that
Speaker 3: appreciates I think so too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, have been louder had she been playing Mukova
Speaker 2: in the final, for example, or another player who maybe
Speaker 2: had less of a connection to the city.
Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, Arina Sablanca is New York. Like,
Speaker 3: she's the.
Speaker 2: Most swaggy player. Really happy to see her. Yeah, from
Speaker 2: last year, everything she gived me, she's.
Speaker 1: A swag But back it up to Mukhova. No, actually,
Speaker 1: let's go back and say congrats to Jess Pagoula, because
Speaker 1: to finally break through in a quarterfinal, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like six and oh like never gotten through a quarterfinal.
Speaker 1: And you know, as she said to me a couple
Speaker 1: of times on on the court, she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I played great players that either were great players or
Speaker 1: won the tournament. So we know the loss of von
Speaker 1: that was the heartbreaker at Wembledon, one for to one
Speaker 1: point five one third, all the things, but oh my god,
Speaker 1: like beating Eager in the quarters is an incredible effort
Speaker 1: to beat the number one player in the world to
Speaker 1: get through your first semifinal, and the way she played
Speaker 1: in that match was unbelievable. Eager did not play well,
Speaker 1: there's no question, but Jess was way too good from
Speaker 1: and and I knew it, Jess. You know this, pet Coo.
Speaker 1: You just know when someone's on like immediately, like the
Speaker 1: nerves are there, but you can tell that they're striking
Speaker 1: the ball really exactly the way they want. And from
Speaker 1: the very first game when Eager lost her first serve
Speaker 1: and she hadn't lost a serve in like twenty six
Speaker 1: games or something on serve I might have jinked to
Speaker 1: before the match because I said you've been serving so well,
Speaker 1: like blah blah blah. And I was like, then she
Speaker 1: goes out and loses he first service game. I was like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: didn't mean to jin Chu, but Jess was so good,
Speaker 1: And I said, sometimes you get good Jess and sometimes
Speaker 1: you get bad Jess. And sometimes Jess gets a little
Speaker 1: bit down herself, a little bit it's a bit demure
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's not working today. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: From the first get go, I was like, oh, we've
Speaker 1: got good Jests today. And that was always gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for eg if she wasn't playing well. And then subsequently,
Speaker 1: can we talk about being down a set? Was it
Speaker 1: six to one or six love, six to one, two
Speaker 1: love break point? Mukhova comes in and misses that unging
Speaker 1: forehand Volly that she would make nine times out of ten.
Speaker 1: The thing is about, wait, let me finish this point.
Speaker 1: Jessica got to that ball that she wouldn't have got
Speaker 1: to a year before, and that's the extra work that
Speaker 1: she'd been doing in the marks. Had how doing more
Speaker 1: work on the court with her fitness, you did if
Speaker 1: people listened to our podcast.
Speaker 4: I always looked around to people that were there and
Speaker 4: they were not there strangers, and I was like, i'die.
Speaker 1: Little pet Birdie told me that you were doing more
Speaker 1: work on the court, and she admitted yes, and you
Speaker 1: could see that shot she would not have got to
Speaker 1: six months earlier. And it was a I mean, she
Speaker 1: nailed that shot and she hits that well, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was a bullet too. And I think that both
Speaker 1: and I give Mukhova credit because me being a net
Speaker 1: player coming into the net, she covered the right shot.
Speaker 1: She's on dead run. You have to cover the line
Speaker 1: on that forehand with that situation and then you shift
Speaker 1: to the cross court right and she did the right thing.
Speaker 1: But it was like a bullet off a racket. And
Speaker 1: then as soon as she lost that point, I said
Speaker 1: on the coverage, we all said mark that point, because
Speaker 1: immediately the next point, Jessica started playing better. It was
Speaker 1: almost like she started striking it better. And we were
Speaker 1: all like, oh, here's good. Yes, because jess knew that
Speaker 1: was her chance to put me away. It was over.
Speaker 1: If she makes it volley a set and three love,
Speaker 1: two breaks. She's not losing yourself twice movehovah no way.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it was like oh shit.
Speaker 1: When I went to one, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a completely different match right away, and she started hitting
Speaker 1: the ball unbelievable and Mahovah just went off a little bit.
Speaker 1: But it was an amazing effort to get that match
Speaker 1: done in three sets.
Speaker 3: No, it was.
Speaker 4: But what I wanted to say about that shot, to
Speaker 4: underline it and emphasize it.
Speaker 1: Is underlining a little birthday.
Speaker 4: Yes, because she didn't have to run to this shot,
Speaker 4: like you know, I mean, of course she would have run,
Speaker 4: but you know what it feels like to run and
Speaker 4: to hustle. You know, sometimes you run pro forma because
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm going to run there, but I know
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get it. And the reason I
Speaker 4: say that she was Yes, she wasn't her best, but
Speaker 4: she was out played for a set.
Speaker 1: And a half. She said after the match, I was
Speaker 1: so embarrassed.
Speaker 3: I was overwhelmed and out played.
Speaker 1: She said. I felt like a junior. Yes, like I
Speaker 1: felt like I could not play tennis.
Speaker 4: And I feel like because we've all been there. I've
Speaker 4: played Serena when she was going for the Grand Slam
Speaker 4: and I was completely outplayed, and we've all been there.
Speaker 4: When you're in this moment. That's exactly the shot where
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm gonna run there. But I'm not going
Speaker 4: to run there, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because you're like, I'm getting killed.
Speaker 4: You're so embarrassed, you just kind of hope that the
Speaker 4: match is over quickly. And that's why I give her
Speaker 4: even more credit for hustling down that ball and trying
Speaker 4: and making it and then turning the match around, because
Speaker 4: I've been in these situations when you're outplayed, and I
Speaker 4: know the feeling of just wanting to get off the court.
Speaker 4: And she didn't let she didn't allow herself to go
Speaker 4: in that place where she's like, let me.
Speaker 3: Just get that one.
Speaker 1: And she takes so much because she in the past
Speaker 1: has done that where she wants to high.
Speaker 2: I think she kind of hid to your point in
Speaker 2: that Madison Keys match, correct, that's the best or she
Speaker 2: was just getting outplayed and she kind of just like
Speaker 2: emotionally down shifted and you could tell, as you said,
Speaker 2: anybody who's ever played tennis, and yes, they're getting out classed.
Speaker 3: You just get me off the court, get this fucking off.
Speaker 3: Just I want to be done. I can't wait to
Speaker 3: be done. And that's what it looked like she wanted
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: Done, and that's when people claim she was crying when
Speaker 1: she walked off the court, which she was not.
Speaker 3: She was just like over it, and you can tell
Speaker 3: she kind of emotionally just changed. Also, Jess said, after
Speaker 3: you did you ask her?
Speaker 1: I was I did?
Speaker 4: When you know, I think in the first match, was like,
Speaker 4: you might be the one ending Shelby Rogers' career today
Speaker 4: and you're good friends in juniors, and Jess looked at
Speaker 4: you and she went, it is.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this girl is not fucking crying, and then
Speaker 4: she was crying when it was really sweet. But she
Speaker 4: would never cry because of something like this. But she's
Speaker 4: the kind that, or was the kind that goes like.
Speaker 1: I see like, very similar to Lindsay Davenport, like it's
Speaker 1: not working for me today, get me off the court, goodbye.
Speaker 1: And they actually play very similarly when they're on there
Speaker 1: so good when they're off there, like may I'm out
Speaker 1: of here today. But huge effort. Even in the final
Speaker 1: when she was getting crushed in the first set at
Speaker 1: five to one, it got back to five all and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, and then down three. Love,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's over because I had to do
Speaker 1: the in between sets for ESPN, and so I was
Speaker 1: only going to go back on camera if she won
Speaker 1: the second set, right, And I was like, I was
Speaker 1: not even really not I was paying attention, but I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this match is over, so I'm not
Speaker 1: going back on TV. And then also I was like
Speaker 1: three one. I was like, okay, well I better watch
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that was three T. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, but I was three all. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're going back on TV this She's
Speaker 1: up five to three, and then all of a sudden, bam,
Speaker 1: she just that's the one thing, jess She's got to
Speaker 1: If you looked at the numbers of the final that
Speaker 1: were very similar except one stat second serves, she was
Speaker 1: getting crushed on her second serf. I think she was
Speaker 1: below twenty definitely below twenty five percent of winning the
Speaker 1: second serves, where Arena was in the forties. And that,
Speaker 1: in the end, was the difference. Makeup wasn't first serve.
Speaker 1: Both of them were winning a lot of first serves
Speaker 1: and are serving it. Jessica was serving a really high
Speaker 1: percentage of first service, but her second serve was getting
Speaker 1: fucking crushed. So if there's one area that she can
Speaker 1: improve on, it is that it's tough. She's five foot six.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not like she's going to have a big
Speaker 1: second service, but she's got to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to hit sliders, keep it below the net.
Speaker 4: I think the slater was because she always goes for
Speaker 4: the kids, and then when you smile, the kick sits up.
Speaker 4: Against players like Arena, who loved the hitting strike point
Speaker 4: just a bit higher than Hippai. We always talk about
Speaker 4: how women like to play on a hip. I think
Speaker 4: Arena likes it just a bit higher because she can
Speaker 4: lean on it with all her weight and it's so powerful.
Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned just mixing it up. It's just
Speaker 3: being to mix it, and I think against these players,
Speaker 3: it's actually better to keep it low. You know.
Speaker 4: It's same with Sam who had the best kick. Serf
Speaker 4: in the world always struggled against Maria Sharapova because against
Speaker 4: exactly against her, it's exactly that little bit lower for
Speaker 4: Maria to have it.
Speaker 1: And Serena struggled with that because Serena was only about
Speaker 1: five nineties, not as tall, and she used her hands
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Maria really leant on the balls.
Speaker 1: That's why she loved that surf. So yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: So those are little things that she can prove, I think.
Speaker 3: And to me, the finals of the women were a
Speaker 3: higher quality match. To I said, it was better. It
Speaker 3: much better, much better.
Speaker 4: Also, the audience was much more affector because it felt
Speaker 4: closer than the Tailor Fritz match as.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly especially in that second set when she started
Speaker 2: back and was leveling it and you were like.
Speaker 1: And I loved it. I loved her. She was like,
Speaker 1: come on, and she was like showing some emotion and
Speaker 1: she did that in the semis too, even when she
Speaker 1: won that game to go to one, because I was
Speaker 1: sitting courtside she was walking to her chair and I
Speaker 1: saw her pumper fisce and go come on, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, good for you, Jess, like come on,
Speaker 1: you're still in this.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's funny because the mark or as maryka,
Speaker 4: the mark, the Marky Marks.
Speaker 1: She called, well, I called them the boys from the Bahamas.
Speaker 4: Okay, Mary said the Marky Mark. So the market Marks
Speaker 4: apparently said to her, that's the one thing they gave her.
Speaker 3: Try to use the crowd.
Speaker 4: We know you're not the type, but this is a
Speaker 4: major final, the crowd is on your side.
Speaker 3: Arena is so expressive, and so has tried to use it.
Speaker 4: And you saw her when she broke on two one,
Speaker 4: she broke to go up three one, and she went
Speaker 4: like this. It was like she just for those people
Speaker 4: who are listening to a podcast and don't see gestures.
Speaker 4: I just realized she just kind of like went with
Speaker 4: her hand, like she just moved her up, but it
Speaker 4: was so halfheartedly and I was dying laughing because it's
Speaker 4: not her.
Speaker 3: But she's like, I have to use the crowd, and
Speaker 3: she's like, okay.
Speaker 1: A little bit. I also can we give a credit?
Speaker 3: Sorry but we interrupted Kit when she was making it.
Speaker 2: But I think for me, the getting to a Grandson final,
Speaker 2: finally breaking through, making herself and her presence felt on
Speaker 2: the court, especially against a player who can kind of
Speaker 2: like out hit her and outplay her.
Speaker 3: In terms of variety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also kind of think, like Taylor Fri it's
Speaker 2: like there should be a little bit more dimensionality now,
Speaker 2: especially if she's going to be back there, and I
Speaker 2: would love to see her throwing in the sliders and
Speaker 2: maybe some of the like hingis and the hennah, like
Speaker 2: she's never going to be somebody who's you know, maybe
Speaker 2: flashy or has the neck game of a Mukova.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where she was good. Then to your point,
Speaker 1: she hit a couple of drop shots off her.
Speaker 3: Backhand, and she did play the slide, and that.
Speaker 1: Is big because she hits the ball so big. What
Speaker 1: makes a great drop shot her is somebody who hits
Speaker 1: they're either like a you know, like a Roger Federer,
Speaker 1: where they have feel that's like ridiculous, or they have
Speaker 1: such big groundstrokes that you constantly always like when they
Speaker 1: gave an easy one, you your first move is backwards.
Speaker 1: Your first move is a step back, and then bank
Speaker 1: they hit the drop shot. That's why Alcarez hits it
Speaker 1: off the forehand because you're like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: about to crush this forehand, and so you take that
Speaker 1: mini step back and then bank. He just goes to
Speaker 1: the drop shot.
Speaker 4: Jess has to do that on the back can be
Speaker 4: as ugly as sinners because it is maybe the ugliest
Speaker 4: shot in the world. Is so likely and he misses,
Speaker 4: and he also looks like he's telling it, you know
Speaker 4: how he's so natural and flowing and everything he does.
Speaker 4: And then when he puts the places the drop shot.
Speaker 4: It looks like he's telling himself, Okay, Yanni, now you
Speaker 4: play the drop shot.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah. Anyway, so we just there.
Speaker 3: Delicious, totally.
Speaker 1: For selly, for silly red facili.
Speaker 3: Should yes, a few more, Yeah we were, that's just
Speaker 3: what a great effort. But just a few more words
Speaker 3: on Arena. I think, go for it.
Speaker 1: Just amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard because she was so good.
Speaker 1: For sure, she didn't sleep all night long. She's already
Speaker 1: said on Twitter that I asked her, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do, and she's like, oh, we're gonna party, don't worry.
Speaker 1: And then she said to everyone, don't worry. I will
Speaker 1: be back practicing soon. But I am going to party.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, she should should. This is what fuels her.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what Serena did when Serena Wan and she
Speaker 1: partied man and she she like rewarded herself with that
Speaker 1: time and then back to the drawing board.
Speaker 4: I just I just want to say a few more
Speaker 4: words on Arena because when she was up five to
Speaker 4: two until I think in the second set, because we
Speaker 4: had stats that just started.
Speaker 3: Hitting the ball bigger.
Speaker 4: She went up by six to eight miles per hour
Speaker 4: more on the forehand side after she was down three
Speaker 4: to zero. So I don't take so much away from Arena,
Speaker 4: but I do think when she was up five to
Speaker 4: two in the first set, she got a bit nervous
Speaker 4: and she gave just a few points that made her
Speaker 4: come back to five all.
Speaker 3: And in that moment, it felt.
Speaker 4: To me like Arena was not only playing Jess Pagoula,
Speaker 4: but she was playing Cocoa Go.
Speaker 3: From last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was playing agacon Tech from the year before.
Speaker 4: When she was up a break in the third set,
Speaker 4: she was playing Leila Fernandez from the year before. When
Speaker 4: she was she she was so close every time, and
Speaker 4: I would just remind everyone. In the second round of
Speaker 4: the first you know, omi Osaka one, Arena Sabalenka unknown
Speaker 4: and Omio Soaka a little bit better known but also
Speaker 4: unknown played each other. And then the match of the tournament,
Speaker 4: I think we.
Speaker 3: Talked about it.
Speaker 4: We win their first exactly and Arena lost seven five
Speaker 4: and the third, so it goes even further back, and
Speaker 4: it just felt like she saw all these players on
Speaker 4: the other side at the same time.
Speaker 1: I wish we if we through, but I wish we
Speaker 1: could film this and like put it up and just
Speaker 1: have like all those players on like a TikTok. Can
Speaker 1: you figure that out? And then and then just.
Speaker 3: Like hi, yes, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like it felt to me like and then she overcame.
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about her. She yells at herself,
Speaker 4: she hits a big shot, she goes like, let's go.
Speaker 3: And then she overcomes it.
Speaker 4: And that's and I just wanted to emphasize that that
Speaker 4: that's very very.
Speaker 1: Very ghost of of of.
Speaker 3: Semi finalists past.
Speaker 1: I mean, although although she did she did win one
Speaker 1: match against Madison Keys that she had no business winning
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the one that gil has also
Speaker 1: got some scar tissue.
Speaker 2: From the US, especially given you know, the beginning and
Speaker 2: ending of her year and just some tough stuff in
Speaker 2: the middle and the boyfriend and the stuff, and just
Speaker 2: you know, I think what I like so much about
Speaker 2: her and why she's such an easy popcorn pick for
Speaker 2: anybody who doesn't follow tennis so closely, is everything that's
Speaker 2: happening you see her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's so you can't relate to her tennis
Speaker 2: or her ferocity, but you can certainly relate to the
Speaker 2: emotional state she's in in a way that's like so
Speaker 2: wonderful to celebrate when she pulls it together and it's
Speaker 2: joyous and you know, great, So yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I yeah, And you know, this is somebody who lost
Speaker 1: her dad, like you know, a bunch of years ago.
Speaker 1: That's always, you know, forefront in her mind as well.
Speaker 1: A little thing on Coco. She's got to get that
Speaker 1: second serve. She's got to fix the second serve. You
Speaker 1: cannot play in a quarterfinal, was it quarters?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh no, No, rand the sixteen against someone and almost
Speaker 1: win the match and hit nineteen double faults. You just can't.
Speaker 1: She has to figure out a way. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean we you know how much we love her,
Speaker 1: and she's a great kid and all the stuff, and
Speaker 1: she works unbelievably hard. But that that to me, the
Speaker 1: second serve, yips and lack of stability.
Speaker 3: Let's not talk.
Speaker 4: We talk about Coco literally every single podcast. Can we
Speaker 4: please talk about the moment of you and Brett Gilbert
Speaker 4: to me? Nongratulations, No, I honestly I wrote it to you.
Speaker 4: I texted to you. We didn't see each other even
Speaker 4: though we worked at the same fucking venue.
Speaker 1: For No, I didn't see you, not one single time.
Speaker 3: Actually the one time I came to you during qualifying.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, It is crazy. I didn't see you one
Speaker 1: time and we were literally at the same place for
Speaker 1: three weeks. Yes, but I got more chance of bumping
Speaker 1: into you on lower e side than I do at
Speaker 1: the Tennessee. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, But I first I want to say I think
Speaker 4: you did well, and then you can tell us how
Speaker 4: it felt being on air, because I'm sure it must
Speaker 4: have felt awkward. But I think you did well in
Speaker 4: not being not shying away to criticizing a player or
Speaker 4: the coaching team with the coach being present, which I
Speaker 4: think I've been broadcasting, not as long as you, but
Speaker 4: for a while.
Speaker 3: I don't think we should do that.
Speaker 4: I think the inside is great, and you can interview
Speaker 4: him on the next day or you can have him
Speaker 4: on whatever. But I don't think you should have an
Speaker 4: analyst that is supposed to mutually analyze what might be
Speaker 4: going wrong sit on the same stage with the guy
Speaker 4: who's coaching them. Because then you you did great. You
Speaker 4: still said you have peace, and you still said and
Speaker 4: you were still respectful it was like, this is a
Speaker 4: little bit awkward, bred but I have to say that
Speaker 4: these things need to improve. But you could have just
Speaker 4: as because I've been in a situation on German TV
Speaker 4: in that where I was like, this is awkward. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm going to say, and then another
Speaker 4: person said something on it I got, well, yeah, so
Speaker 4: I got the kind of the choice was kind of
Speaker 4: taken away from me. But I was in the situation,
Speaker 4: so I know what it feels like to be, oh,
Speaker 4: should I say something that's maybe I shouldn't say. I
Speaker 4: just want you know, you could just as easily have
Speaker 4: done that, And I don't think the people should put
Speaker 4: you in you or anybody else in the position to
Speaker 4: have to decide in that moment should I criticize somebody
Speaker 4: or should I not because this might be awkward situation?
Speaker 3: And you did really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not easy. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if he was actually supposed to be there at that time.
Speaker 1: You know, we have to sometimes like change the scramble,
Speaker 1: the scramble who goes on the desk because some people
Speaker 1: might be calling matches or whatever, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be there. At that time, but
Speaker 1: he was available, and so you know, in some ways,
Speaker 1: I'm sure ESPN like, oh, it's great we can hear
Speaker 1: from the coach of the player, and it's sort of great,
Speaker 1: but also a little bit awkward for people that are
Speaker 1: working there. But look, the bottom line is, it's like,
Speaker 1: in that situation, I just feel like my job is
Speaker 1: to also tell people at home she's losing and why
Speaker 1: she lost that match. That's my job. And you know,
Speaker 1: Brad's a professional. He understands, he's not going to be
Speaker 1: He doesn't hold it against me. This is it's part
Speaker 1: of the job. And if you know, Darren Yannick loses,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Brad was on the desk with Darren
Speaker 1: and he did nineteen double faults, he'd probably say, bro,
Speaker 1: you got to get your bro, you got to get
Speaker 1: your player to not hit double nineteen double faults and
Speaker 1: this is what I see that could improve, and you
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, that's right. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliantly handled. I agree with Andrea's compliment.
Speaker 2: I think the chatter online that accompanied it was probably
Speaker 2: fell down along lines of, you know, people who are
Speaker 2: looking for drama or looking for for there's no drama.
Speaker 3: No, and there's clearly no drama.
Speaker 2: But I also think if you're going to have coaches,
Speaker 2: and this sport has sort of, you know, some interesting
Speaker 2: relationships like Mary Joe Carrillo sorry, Mary Joe Fernandez is
Speaker 2: married to the agent of Active Players.
Speaker 3: You know, there's all sorts of it's small world and
Speaker 3: it's tangled.
Speaker 2: So for me, it's a little bit more about if
Speaker 2: you're going to have the coach there, then let's have
Speaker 2: the conversation. And you did, and I think that that
Speaker 2: was what's great about it. For me, it's you know,
Speaker 2: you're you're explained to not have the conversation in front
Speaker 2: of a crowd of people who are watching feels irresponsible
Speaker 2: and he should be able to speak to it.
Speaker 3: And I think he did. But I thought you made
Speaker 3: great point.
Speaker 1: I think Mary Joe does a good job because Mary
Speaker 1: Joe's husband is the agent of Coco. But I think
Speaker 1: Mary Joey does a good job of actually still criticizing.
Speaker 1: I think she does you and I think not criticized,
Speaker 1: it doesn't explain yes going And I think, just to
Speaker 1: make myself clear, because I don't know if I did
Speaker 1: I think they.
Speaker 3: I think it's great.
Speaker 4: I'm actually not on the on the wagon of we
Speaker 4: shouldn't have coaches commentate, because I think it adds incredible inside.
Speaker 4: I think what I want to say in this particular moment.
Speaker 4: I think Brett should be interviewed by Chris McHenry, for example, separately,
Speaker 4: so he can explain, this is what we are working on,
Speaker 4: and he's not going to give everything away, of course not,
Speaker 4: but he can give some sort of insight, and then
Speaker 4: in a separate segment they can have an analyst, whether
Speaker 4: that's you or Mary Joe or whoever. An separate analyst
Speaker 4: feel freely about talking what they think from a mutual stamp,
Speaker 4: but without being emotionally involved. So I don't I'm not
Speaker 4: on the thing that Brett shouldn't be on TV or
Speaker 4: shouldn't coach.
Speaker 3: I think it's great that we have both.
Speaker 4: I just think that he you know, I think they
Speaker 4: shouldn't have put you together. And I have worked in
Speaker 4: TV two and sometimes you can plan it that way.
Speaker 4: That's like part of the madness of a Grand Slam tournament,
Speaker 4: where everything seems to be happening always at the same time,
Speaker 4: or nothing at all for some reason.
Speaker 1: Around doing nothing or we are non stop.
Speaker 2: It's crazy ye anyway, for me, the last thing I'll
Speaker 2: say about it as the most sort of neutral party
Speaker 2: here and somebody who's not commentated matches or coach anyone
Speaker 2: is I learned so much more when I hear people
Speaker 2: who are coaches and understand I agree so much. Whether
Speaker 2: I agree with what they're saying or fit passes the
Speaker 2: smell test, it feels defensive either way, Like coaching and
Speaker 2: tactics and improving are all things that anybody watching tennis
Speaker 2: can take away from a conversation like that, And for
Speaker 2: that reason, I like it, even if it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: something I agree with. Like I think, just as you
Speaker 2: were saying about Taylor Fritz and Michael Russell sparking his
Speaker 2: player at the time, like we underestimate. I think how
Speaker 2: much having a good team around you and having the
Speaker 2: right tactics and working on the right stuff can help
Speaker 2: Arina Sbleka to go back to her Not only did
Speaker 2: she personally defeat ghost after ghost of her past US
Speaker 2: Open tournaments, but also she sort of now famously because
Speaker 2: it was captured really well in Breakpoint, has this incredibly positive,
Speaker 2: forward looking, supportive team of bald men who were just
Speaker 2: surrounding her with like love and positivity, and it's so
Speaker 2: clear that it's fueling the good parts of her and
Speaker 2: not letting her dwell in the past. So I think
Speaker 2: for me, it's a huge component of the game that
Speaker 2: I love hearing about, and for that reason, I love
Speaker 2: that it became a topic of discussion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether people agreed or not, well.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I might both happy anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think it was good to
Speaker 4: be so and also to be fair good TV. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it is also that, you know, sometimes we see you
Speaker 4: too morally.
Speaker 1: Well, you're never going to get that from me kind
Speaker 1: of anyway. Listen. So I want to get to is
Speaker 1: there any other things about the US open that you
Speaker 1: would like to discuss? Because I got some questions that
Speaker 1: were sent in on Twitter. So do you want to
Speaker 1: get to the.
Speaker 3: Okay? Well, really, the hats are good.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The merchant needs every.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I think it needs to be The merch
Speaker 1: is similar every year, so they need to have a.
Speaker 3: Different line if it's getting better. But I think the
Speaker 3: merchant better.
Speaker 1: I did see someone with the tennis whore, actually a
Speaker 1: couple of people with the tennis hor T shirt from
Speaker 1: Racket and I gotta say it's two thumbs up. There
Speaker 1: was also a woman, oh man, I meant to bring
Speaker 1: her card that gave me a really cool T shirt.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. She came up to me at
Speaker 1: Armstrong and gave me her card and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And it's a tennis court stuff. Thanks for that T shirt.
Speaker 1: That was very cool. And I know I should have
Speaker 1: brought the card to but she she'll know if she
Speaker 1: listens to the pot, she'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But let's get to a couple of questions. Is that okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the schedule. Phil wants to know the schedule. Why can't
Speaker 1: they start at six pm?
Speaker 3: That's my question always? Why can they?
Speaker 1: And why don't they start at eleven am so the
Speaker 1: long day matches don't run into the night session.
Speaker 3: I mean, but what I don't understand. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 1: Why can they I don't need to, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So that's something that we need to get fixed.
Speaker 2: Tickets would not get anybody in the stands because everyone's
Speaker 2: waiting for work to be done to come out to
Speaker 2: Queen's and a text forever but I think doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But seven five p sixty eight pm start is better
Speaker 2: than a two am finish.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the women should always be first. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I understand. Can't be going on
Speaker 1: a fucking match court. Like I had to say, I did.
Speaker 1: Both of those late matches, the latest one in history
Speaker 1: and the third latest one in history, started at eleven
Speaker 1: something eleven fifty eleven eleven thirty. I mean, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about here?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: The latest the women are going to get on the men? Sorry,
Speaker 1: after women's match, the latest would be ten o'clock. I
Speaker 1: mean three hour match at seven. Okay, that's possible in
Speaker 1: Norman's game, but that's ridiculous. Okay, how far in advance
Speaker 1: do you know which matches you would be commentating on
Speaker 1: ESPN as well as doing on court pre match blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Also, looking back, is there a favorite match
Speaker 1: you commented on and why? From Mike? From Michael Dickens,
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 3: So I always about it? Yeah? I think so. I
Speaker 3: always find out.
Speaker 4: We get the schedule depending on how things went between
Speaker 4: nine pm, which was on the early side, and ten
Speaker 4: ten thirty, depend if it was like raining or matches
Speaker 4: got canceled. It can be later, but I think around
Speaker 4: the nine thirty ten pm mark is when I would
Speaker 4: get my schedule and I get the two matches I
Speaker 4: will call and my favorite.
Speaker 3: So I always called two matches a day.
Speaker 4: I don't know how it is with you, and then
Speaker 4: my fate, and then I sometimes do extra stuff for Germany,
Speaker 4: which I did here.
Speaker 3: So I double people the thing yes, correct and King.
Speaker 3: And then the.
Speaker 4: My favorite match to commentate and was the best match
Speaker 4: in my opinion of the whole tournament was the Donavecage
Speaker 4: against chin Win.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the best women's match of the tournament was one
Speaker 1: that half the people that wanted to watch it didn't
Speaker 1: watch it because it was on till two fifteen am. Correct,
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that chin Win was struggled after
Speaker 1: that playing sabal Anca. It was zero sleep and you
Speaker 1: know her.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: The brain? What is it? Yes, it would have been
Speaker 1: all fucked up, like sorry, impossible anyway, So that is yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that you post the schedule of when you're
Speaker 2: commentating because certain people myself included Lake, listening to specific
Speaker 2: matches knowing certain people are going to be.
Speaker 3: On the castle. Please do that. The commentators, including you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that for you same, I get it
Speaker 1: abound eight o'clock. It depends on various things. But we
Speaker 1: were starting to get it a lot earlier than we
Speaker 1: used to. There were times when we wouldn't get our
Speaker 1: schedule until midnight and I'm like, what match am I
Speaker 1: doing tomorrow? I gotta go to sleep. But so I
Speaker 1: appreciate that so much. But yes, we get it the
Speaker 1: day before, and then we prep for it that night
Speaker 1: before the next day. I don't really prep That's a
Speaker 1: whole different story, all right, scheduling. Why are we putting
Speaker 1: best of three after best of five? Well, we just
Speaker 1: answered that question. We don't think that it should be.
Speaker 1: Do we say something nice about Guadalajara? They've been shuffled
Speaker 1: to a pretty dead slot for a five hundred, They
Speaker 1: have Ostapenko playing blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I love Yeah, I'll say I'll say it if you
Speaker 2: were bummed your favorite player, Daniel Collins got bounced.
Speaker 3: The US Open. There's still tennis.
Speaker 2: Also, it helps cure my depression after the US Open
Speaker 2: that they're still amazing tennis to be watched in a
Speaker 2: time zone that is not crazy like uh in Asia.
Speaker 2: For example, if you're in America, so I will speak
Speaker 2: to Guadalhara.
Speaker 3: I love it, and I think it's great. I think all.
Speaker 1: Yes to interview about their plays while tournament is still
Speaker 1: taking place. Yes, so we're getting a lot of these
Speaker 1: sorts of things. But the bottom line is it's not
Speaker 1: going away. We're still going to have coaches that are commentators.
Speaker 3: And oh wait, so this person doesn't like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, some people don't like it at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think as long as we how do you
Speaker 3: feel about it? I think I like, like.
Speaker 4: From a new I know that you like, but like
Speaker 4: from a newtub person, you also think it's a problematic.
Speaker 3: I think it. I see the point that it's problematic.
Speaker 2: I personally like it because we get better insight as
Speaker 2: long as everyone's honest and people are are asking hard questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, LG. He says, what's being done with all
Speaker 1: the outburst and anger on the courts? It feels like
Speaker 1: anger management is needed big time. Honey, that's called that's
Speaker 1: being forever in a day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I will agree that for some reason,
Speaker 4: it's been more and Cincinnati here I didn't feel that.
Speaker 3: But remember last time we talked in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: There was one meltdown after another, So I think it
Speaker 4: was with a big I think it had to do
Speaker 4: with the Olympic year and having so many tournaments and
Speaker 4: everyone being here.
Speaker 1: And also everyone's been losing their mind forever. I mean,
Speaker 1: do we not remember you cannot be serious kind of thought.
Speaker 3: This was sort of a team tournament in terms of behavior. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 1: It was also I have to say that.
Speaker 3: And I feel bad about it. It was kind of
Speaker 3: a bad tournament.
Speaker 1: There were not a lot of Yeah, there wasn't a
Speaker 1: great Yeah last year was in this.
Speaker 3: Year and you have that.
Speaker 4: You have that sometimes you have a tournament where there
Speaker 4: is one Remember at the Austraian.
Speaker 1: Wimbledon was incredible this year, Yeah, Wimbledon was really good.
Speaker 4: But remember at the Austraian opened, we had that one
Speaker 4: day where everything happened and then the next day everyone
Speaker 4: lost one and all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird because we felt like they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yesterday was so amazing. There were one
Speaker 1: day there was one day that was tennis was at
Speaker 1: the US. I was unbelievable, and then the next day
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, so it happens. The bathroom break
Speaker 1: obsession the freak out and pearl clutching. This is from Iree,
Speaker 1: like this person is mad about people going off the
Speaker 1: court for bathroom breaks. I see, I agree.
Speaker 2: Actually this person is an eager fan and they say
Speaker 2: that it's freak out and pearl clutching when it's Egan
Speaker 2: silenced one of the plavias to do it. I do
Speaker 2: think certain players who maybe don't have If people need
Speaker 2: a reason not to like somebody, maybe it becomes more
Speaker 2: like just felt like it was like, do we just
Speaker 2: not like this guy because he's just taking a bathroom break?
Speaker 3: What's the big deal.
Speaker 1: There are absolutely some players that go off the court
Speaker 1: when they don't need to, and they do it because
Speaker 1: I need a reset and it's in the within the roles.
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do about it? What do
Speaker 1: you think about it?
Speaker 4: I don't like it when they lose a set in
Speaker 4: twenty minutes and goes the key. That's what it annoys me.
Speaker 1: I went. However, do you know how many times I
Speaker 1: went off the court?
Speaker 3: Mean I never went. I will say I went once
Speaker 3: and I will tell you where.
Speaker 4: And Kitlin will understand because she lived at Wimbledon in
Speaker 4: Guangzhou when it was ten billion the grace you can.
Speaker 4: I've never been in a place that was humid. I
Speaker 4: think it wasn't one hundred percentument. I think it was
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3: My shoes were dripping and I was leaving.
Speaker 1: That was saying on the sad plight the finals in Guangzhou,
Speaker 1: and I had to change your shoes.
Speaker 4: So that was the only time in my life that
Speaker 4: I went off the court change my stuff.
Speaker 1: Twice once at Wimbledon because I had my yuna.
Speaker 3: What that's what I mean. I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I'd always give women because somebody was like, why it
Speaker 4: was against Mokhova against hadatch Maya, and Mohova had won
Speaker 4: the first at six to one in twenty three minutes,
Speaker 4: and somebody asked me, why is she going to the aroom?
Speaker 4: And I always say I would never say anything about
Speaker 4: a woman going after the bathroom because you don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know. It's the one time when I
Speaker 1: ran off the court. The other time was in a
Speaker 1: warm up at the US Open when I had to
Speaker 1: go number two so bad, and that I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Talking about it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if I was or if it was
Speaker 3: just gudy with women.
Speaker 4: With women, I think we have to be a little
Speaker 4: bit careful with approaching.
Speaker 2: Listen, if anybody who's a lady who has a uter
Speaker 2: spons to go after the bathroom, then I don't ask
Speaker 2: any questions.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you girls. We've been asked a lot in
Speaker 1: questions about the curious situation and his misogyny on Twitter
Speaker 1: and what you think about it. And I will say this, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this as someone who worked with
Speaker 1: him at ESPN. He is an incredible analyst. He's his
Speaker 1: stuff is a plus, and he's and when he commentates
Speaker 1: the women and I've sat next to him when we
Speaker 1: when we're having to commentate about a women's match, he's
Speaker 1: very respectful for the players. I'm going to put that
Speaker 1: out there. He speaks very highly of all the women players.
Speaker 1: He never says no, I mean because the next is coming, right,
Speaker 1: the other stuff is coming. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: talking about them playing, he's very very positive about them.
Speaker 1: He's not like, oh she's so slow, or she can't
Speaker 1: eat a serve, or this sucks this tennis doesn't do
Speaker 1: any of that. He's very very positive about it. The
Speaker 1: other stuff not good thoughts substack.
Speaker 3: My I have. I wrote it down.
Speaker 4: I think writing is always easier because you can exactly
Speaker 4: pinpoint what you want to say, but I will try
Speaker 4: in words as well and speaking I think that I
Speaker 4: think it's sad, That's what I think. It makes me sad.
Speaker 4: It really it doesn't. I thought it made me angry,
Speaker 4: but now thinking about it, it makes me sad because
Speaker 4: I think he could be a fantastic TV personality period.
Speaker 4: I think he's already a great analyst, but I think
Speaker 4: he could be a fantastic TV personality in general. And
Speaker 4: I think he's self sabotaging and hurting himself with the
Speaker 4: he puts out there on social media. The reason I
Speaker 4: say that is yesterday, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: watched Tom Brady's first day on the NFL, so if you.
Speaker 1: Have heard me, was watching the WNBI game, and so he.
Speaker 4: Got so much hate, and kind of rightfully so, because
Speaker 4: in the first quarter he sounded unsure of what he
Speaker 4: was saying, even though he clearly knows exactly what he's
Speaker 4: talking about. He's the best guy who's ever played this game.
Speaker 3: He's the best quarterback.
Speaker 4: And I know from people that they have rented a
Speaker 4: facility in Orlando, Florida for him to practice every day there.
Speaker 4: So they've been training, giving him, I think, and asted
Speaker 4: like a ridiculous amount of money, just calling old football
Speaker 4: games for him to practice and giving different play by place.
Speaker 4: That's what I've heard. I don't have the confirmation, but
Speaker 4: that's what I heard. And the reason he got so
Speaker 4: much hate was because people were like, why does he
Speaker 4: because he would always go up with his voice.
Speaker 3: In the end and he sounded unsure. Yes he sounded unsure.
Speaker 3: He's not unsure, but he sounded unsure, and there is
Speaker 3: a disconnect. And the one that I think that.
Speaker 4: Was a great shot cross card Chriss Court, but he
Speaker 4: almost asked it like a question. So he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: he did that play and he's like, Tom, are you
Speaker 4: asking us or are you stated yeah, exactly. And so
Speaker 4: what I why I bring up this example is the
Speaker 4: sound of his voice on TV sounded like he didn't
Speaker 4: know what he was talking about, even though the reality
Speaker 4: is a different one. But this disconnect people who are
Speaker 4: watching TV cannot put together. And all I'm saying is
Speaker 4: for Nick Curios, why he needs to be careful. At
Speaker 4: one point, what he writes with his online persona will
Speaker 4: create a disconnect to what he says on air, and
Speaker 4: that's when he gets into problems because right now people
Speaker 4: most people already I seen many that are like I
Speaker 4: don't want to watch when Curios is on, even though
Speaker 4: he's really good, and I think many people will start
Speaker 4: to not believe him when he says respectful things about
Speaker 4: women's tennis, and that's where his problem is, and that's
Speaker 4: why he needs to be careful. And it frankly makes
Speaker 4: me sad because he's a great talent for broadcasting and
Speaker 4: I wish he was in tennis, and I wish he
Speaker 4: would make the sport cooler and bring in more young
Speaker 4: people to watch. And he's a good analyst, but he
Speaker 4: needs to be careful and it makes me sad.
Speaker 3: I think that's what I want to say about it.
Speaker 3: I don't have much to end to that.
Speaker 2: I think you're completely right retweeting Andrew Tate is saying something,
Speaker 2: whether he's intending to or not. And I think when
Speaker 2: you get elevated to being the voice of a tennis broadcast,
Speaker 2: even if it's somebody's you know, if it's somebody's first
Speaker 2: tennis match, if they're watching it and they associate you
Speaker 2: with the sort of stuff that I don't think he
Speaker 2: would want to be associated with it. It's unnecessary and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he owes himself and this is
Speaker 2: kind of where he I think got into trouble as
Speaker 2: a player. He doesn't take himself seriously enough, and I
Speaker 2: think that's a little bit of the issue, like training,
Speaker 2: getting a coach, doing all the things that you as
Speaker 2: a player, who I think, from what I could see,
Speaker 2: is probably one of the most prepared people not only
Speaker 2: on the court but also now off as a broadcaster,
Speaker 2: like have have the self respect to do this really
Speaker 2: with full intent and effort, because you'll be incredible at it,
Speaker 2: as he was at times on the tennis court. So
Speaker 2: to me, it's I think there's something self defeating and
Speaker 2: I think so a little bit performative that just let
Speaker 2: it go, dude, like little self sabotaging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, self sabotaging.
Speaker 4: And I wish you would because if you think about
Speaker 4: it back and I mean, I'm not going to get
Speaker 4: into sex lot.
Speaker 1: Of stuff that's it's dumb, like you just sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: there's amount of times I've written stuff on Twitter and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, nah, I know I've matured, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is not a good this is
Speaker 1: not a good look, this is do I really need
Speaker 1: to put this out there? And then I just delete it?
Speaker 1: And I think he has a hot time doing.
Speaker 4: That well, and I think the self sabotaging comes back
Speaker 4: to hurt him nobody else because people will move on
Speaker 4: and they will forget. Well, actually now people don't forget anymore,
Speaker 4: which is another.
Speaker 1: Because it's there forever and they screenshot it. Yes, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you delayed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another problem.
Speaker 4: But in general terms, they don't go through life and think, oh,
Speaker 4: remember what Nick wrote on Twitter or ex or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 4: But for him, it's sad because that's kind of what
Speaker 4: he did as a tennis player too. He would play
Speaker 4: amazing and then he would self sabotage by a single
Speaker 4: situation that he couldn't handle. And I hope for him
Speaker 4: as a human being, whether you like him or not,
Speaker 4: I hope for him that he can overcome this because
Speaker 4: he could have a stellar career without all this and
Speaker 4: all this noise. And I think for him life would
Speaker 4: be also easier if he didn't have to wake up
Speaker 4: in the morning and face the controversy all the time,
Speaker 4: and I just wish him that he can overcome that
Speaker 4: for himself.
Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, I've discussed this with
Speaker 1: you both, and I just think sometimes with Nick, the
Speaker 1: problem is he was I'm convinced as a child he
Speaker 1: was bullied quite significantly. He was grew up quite heavy.
Speaker 1: I mean he was fat. You look at the photos
Speaker 1: of him as a kid. He was dark skinned in Australia,
Speaker 1: so he would have he was bullied a lot as
Speaker 1: a kid in Australia. And I think now that he's older,
Speaker 1: he's sort of turned that into that sometimes, So he's
Speaker 1: gone from facing that as a kid to turning and
Speaker 1: being that way. Which is why he's great with kids,
Speaker 1: because I think he sees himself in the kids to
Speaker 1: not bully children or be so good with kids. He's
Speaker 1: amazing with kids.
Speaker 3: But this I have to interrupt you.
Speaker 4: You never punch down, and you punching on women's tennis
Speaker 4: is punching fucking down. Because you can talk about equality
Speaker 4: and equal prize money, women's tennis is not equal to
Speaker 4: men's tennis and almost all factors.
Speaker 3: Even though we tried.
Speaker 4: And could we say, shitting on women's tennis is punching down.
Speaker 4: So if you don't punch down to a kid, you
Speaker 4: don't punch down to women's den Absolutely.
Speaker 3: What I have to say and.
Speaker 1: I will say about women's be wondered is in.
Speaker 3: Every single women's sports. You're the one who's in WNBA
Speaker 3: because you go to all.
Speaker 1: Women's sports and you are kind of don't No, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving you a pass. I'm trying to have you understand
Speaker 1: why he does the dumb, shitty house. I'm not give
Speaker 1: him no pass.
Speaker 2: But I also think, yes, when people are bullied and
Speaker 2: I into a bully, then it's a sign of an
Speaker 2: emotional immaturity and it's a punching down.
Speaker 3: It's not just about women's tennis.
Speaker 2: You know. The remarks have been about other women women
Speaker 2: tennis players, and it's just sort of like, grow the
Speaker 2: fuck up, dude, grow up like nobody's impressed with your
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying hard not to look like I'm trying hard,
Speaker 2: which is why I'm wearing a hoodie and a hat
Speaker 2: even though it looks stupid, Like, come on, just grow up.
Speaker 2: You owe it to yourself as a human being. As
Speaker 2: you're saying and also to the rest of your professional
Speaker 2: peers to be the best analyst and to be the
Speaker 2: best person that they can count on as a coworker,
Speaker 2: and you're putting them in danger. Actually, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: tweet stuff about another player's girlfriend, and it's just your
Speaker 2: performance has now outlived its self shelf date, but also
Speaker 2: you're now affecting the other people that you now work with.
Speaker 2: And I think that to me is like, if he
Speaker 2: can get over that, and if he can get past it,
Speaker 2: then yes, he'll be an incredible boon to the sport.
Speaker 2: He's charismatic, he's funny, he's a good analyst, as you're saying.
Speaker 2: But I think at a certain point your choices are
Speaker 2: affecting more than just you on a court.
Speaker 3: It's not just you tanking on a court. So you
Speaker 3: get to be done and find an emotional bailout.
Speaker 2: No, no, you're you're gonna have to sit next to the
Speaker 2: people who know that you tweeted Andrew Tait or tweeted
Speaker 2: about another woman on the tour, and they're gonna have
Speaker 2: to try to take you seriously and probably have some
Speaker 2: conversations behind closed doors apologizing for you or maybe trying
Speaker 2: to make the case to keep you around, and I
Speaker 2: just think, like, that's not how you want to be
Speaker 2: as a as a person, as a colleague, as a coworker,
Speaker 2: as a man, and not up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's not really good point, because no, that's
Speaker 4: a really good point because the biggest transition from tennis
Speaker 4: player to post tennis player is you start to work
Speaker 4: in teams. It's not and yes you have a team
Speaker 4: as a tennis player, but they cater to your needs
Speaker 4: you pay them.
Speaker 1: To, and then you have to start like, you know,
Speaker 1: because see what he said about Sinna, you had to
Speaker 1: like there was avoidance with like the cineer matches and
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. So it's just like it puts,
Speaker 1: as you say, Caitlin, it puts everybody who's working with
Speaker 1: him in a bit of a bind. The women's doubles,
Speaker 1: we forgot to say, what a great effort from Kitchenok
Speaker 1: and Ostapenko to win that in Kitchenock from Ukraine, like
Speaker 1: to see her win that doubles and the double kit
Speaker 1: on match point that they did the VR var and
Speaker 1: said no, it's a double hit. I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe we're getting a var on match point of
Speaker 1: the women's doubles and then they got it right, thank god,
Speaker 1: because they got one wrong. But that was great to see.
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw that out there.
Speaker 3: And Nadia and Kitchen had to push her wedding back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. She's like, we're supposed to get
Speaker 1: married four days ago and Wednesday, so that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I want to say, if you go out to the
Speaker 1: US Open next year and you get your honey deuces,
Speaker 1: remember I told everyone to get a double. That's one
Speaker 1: thing that I will tell you. Get to get a double,
Speaker 1: not just one shot of vodka. Or this is the
Speaker 1: secret of secrets thanks to Serena Williams. Get it with tequila.
Speaker 3: Oh, we always get it with sequila. It's much better.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? How of me, a tequila drinking lover,
Speaker 1: not realize that? And I have the tequila in the
Speaker 1: honeyduce and it is seven billion times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was an open secrets.
Speaker 4: We always we go to a bar to celebrate my
Speaker 4: birth later on my midday they do the honeydews with tequila.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. That's the winner
Speaker 1: for me. And they make a lot of money with
Speaker 1: those bloody honeyduces. The tournament was incredible. It was packed.
Speaker 1: We have tennis fans out the wazoo that want to
Speaker 1: come every year. I do want to throw out a
Speaker 1: thank you to Odaman Piquet. I'm wearing their watch still
Speaker 1: and I have to sadly give it back tomorrow. If
Speaker 1: you're going to shut out sponsors, I'll take I mean listen,
Speaker 1: if they would give me this watch, I would keep
Speaker 1: it forever. But sadly I have to give it back
Speaker 1: next week tomorrow actually, But I want to thank them,
Speaker 1: and I want to thank Argent they gave me a
Speaker 1: nice couple of outfits and cal Meyer Danielle Kalmyer. Because
Speaker 1: it was it became oh my god, I've got to
Speaker 1: up my game every day now because people were making
Speaker 1: comments about moutfits, I was like shit, I felt pressure
Speaker 1: every day. So hey, listen, people out there, you want
Speaker 1: to give me some mouthfits next year, I'll take them.
Speaker 1: What about you, pet Go Because you got a little
Speaker 1: bit of love as well on the old intranet in
Speaker 1: the social media.
Speaker 4: I lived that expectation every day of your life. Because
Speaker 4: I'm a fashion That's what you have to cope with.
Speaker 1: It's your fashion expert. We're wrapping it up. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I got for you, guys.
Speaker 3: You happy, I'm happy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming over to my apartment, uh to do
Speaker 2: this podcast. And also I will say I think it's
Speaker 2: cool that the tennis players are now as the commentators
Speaker 2: have started to do, are doing essentially tunnel locks with
Speaker 2: their fits. So everyone's game from spectator the player to commentator.
Speaker 2: I feel like fashion wise has really stepped up.
Speaker 3: Should we talk about podcast? Okay, pass take about.
Speaker 1: Let's pass on that. If anyone ever comes out with
Speaker 1: a large bow on a tennis cone again, no, it's
Speaker 1: it's an absolute two thumbs down. There's only one person
Speaker 1: that's pulled that ship off through her career, and that
Speaker 1: was Serena.
Speaker 4: But still also would have looked crazy on everybody. I
Speaker 4: think Naomi also worried.
Speaker 3: Willy, I mean, so unique and whatever, but.
Speaker 1: Are you buying? Are you, as a consumer of a
Speaker 1: tennis outfit, going to buy a big boat on it tennis?
Speaker 4: So I know from Adidas when they made Zebra outfits. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: So when they made them, they said they strict, they
Speaker 4: were not sure because they do all these testing and
Speaker 4: they weren't sure whether people will buy it, but they
Speaker 4: did that to create a social media buzz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Nike, Nike needs up its game because it's
Speaker 1: getting eaten alive right now by a lot of other competitors.
Speaker 2: So I don't know those Yoga Moto two years of
Speaker 2: Friendship and kids. The Zebras and also the black with
Speaker 2: the flowers are extremely hard to find and very very
Speaker 2: retail market.
Speaker 1: I also loved Matthew McConaughey voicing over the teasers for
Speaker 1: ESPN in the last couple of days. It was nuts.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is happening? He was very cringe am
Speaker 1: I cringing and on the on the video or in person, like.
Speaker 4: His whole thing and during the final with the weird
Speaker 4: hand gesturing and the Bendah.
Speaker 1: Well, well I didn't I didn't really see. I said,
Speaker 1: I was watching the Liberys.
Speaker 4: When I go to things with my dad and he
Speaker 4: behaves and you're like, oh my god, I'm d up
Speaker 4: embarrassing me, That's how I felt about about him.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was at the Liberty Aces game yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I don't even watch a lot of the men's match.
Speaker 1: I was watching it. That's not true. I watched it
Speaker 1: in the Crown.
Speaker 2: Who was the uncle in Napoleon Dynamite who does the
Speaker 2: nunchucks at the gas station.
Speaker 3: It was giving.
Speaker 1: That and a shout out to everyone that retired. Okay,
Speaker 1: uncle Rico, I want to give a shout out to
Speaker 1: everyone who also retired at the US Open Schwartzman, Danielle Collins,
Speaker 1: Shelby Rodgers, Dominic team. Yeah, Donald Young made the finals
Speaker 1: and mixers out of the blue, but I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: him that his last match was also his probably his
Speaker 1: worst match she did. But frankly, can we shout out
Speaker 1: so around by far? She's so good, the best player
Speaker 1: on the court because she knows how to play doubles.
Speaker 1: You get the ball low well, folly.
Speaker 3: It's just it was so.
Speaker 1: Refreshing to watch. She cannot serve the fucking ship, but
Speaker 1: she knows how to hit the ball in certain spots
Speaker 1: on a doubles court. So watch her play doubles because
Speaker 1: that's how you win doubles matches. People. It was so frustrating,
Speaker 1: was like, put me back out their coach.
Speaker 3: And she's a fucking competitor. She was yelling at and.
Speaker 1: When he didn't hit the ball to give them two
Speaker 1: match points. She went ballistic on him, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like like throwing her arms up like what. She was
Speaker 1: just like, get your head out.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I love that because he had been in
Speaker 4: two finals this year and couldn't make it, and so
Speaker 4: he was getting so nervous and she was like, metaphorically speaking,
Speaker 4: she grabbed him by the shoulders, shook him like somebody
Speaker 4: by the balls, grabbed him by the shoulders, shook him
Speaker 4: like somebody should have shook Matthew mcconnicky.
Speaker 3: And then and you pull yourself to go pull yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I like, OK. When he literally poached
Speaker 1: she hit the great return. It was obviously that they
Speaker 1: were switching at the net, that he was going to
Speaker 1: go she was going to cover the line. It was
Speaker 1: perfectly played. He has the easiest volley in the world
Speaker 1: and he lets it go and at lands on foot
Speaker 1: inside the baseline. I'm like, bro, I have done that
Speaker 1: move seven billion times, And even if I thought maybe
Speaker 1: it was going to go out, I still hit the
Speaker 1: volley because I'm like, I'm not missing this volley, whereas
Speaker 1: the chances are it might go in, I'd rather hit
Speaker 1: the volley. I couldn't believe he didn't hit the watching
Speaker 1: two women with two guys that were shitting themselves. But
Speaker 1: I'll give them credit because neither of those two guys
Speaker 1: had won a slam. Taylor won Wimbledon doubles, and of
Speaker 1: course the Runnie is one, you know, eleven golden career
Speaker 1: she does. But but my god, that was hilarious to
Speaker 1: watch her.
Speaker 3: He can play doubles. He was.
Speaker 1: Had his tits on the net, and people forget that
Speaker 1: you can lob. You can lob. You know that in
Speaker 1: doubles you can lob just everyone else.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you can't. I definitely can't.
Speaker 1: You can hit like the Aussie boys that won the double.
Speaker 1: The maximum hide that go above the net is an inch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't even I'm not quite sure what
Speaker 4: an just because I work and can.
Speaker 1: But Vavasory did one thing really well in that match.
Speaker 1: He made an incredible reflex on match point. That was
Speaker 1: the best thing. He was over Tailor and he made
Speaker 1: that reflex and that's what won in the tournaments. So
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh, he made up for
Speaker 1: not hitting a fu forehand on top of the net.
Speaker 1: How you finish anyway? All right, guys, finish. We're finishing strong.
Speaker 3: We're going to celebrate your birthday and uh York and
Speaker 3: everybody who worked. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sad it's over, but I'm also in
Speaker 1: need of a serious medcake. So on that note, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining me again. Ladies, I love I love you,
Speaker 1: guys choose back.