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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in that it's a real features.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving this little Tony microphone to Peco.

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Speaker 3: I do it?

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Speaker 1: Does it look funny? Yes? It looks so cute.

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Speaker 3: I was just reading my fan mail on your Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You're a fan mail? Oh no, thanks, Caitlin. Really shame

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Speaker 1: because Andrea is brilliant and I definitely listen. I agree, listen.

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Okay, everyone, welcome to the Renee stubs.

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Speaker 1: What are you are you already telling me what to do? Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis podcast. Hi everyone. You know,

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Speaker 1: we try and get into studios. Sometimes we can, sometimes

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Speaker 1: we can't. I didn't book it today, so we're in

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin's apartment. So if you hear noise in the background,

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Speaker 1: it's it's New York City, so you need to just

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Speaker 1: get over it. It is time for us to wrap

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Speaker 1: up our US Open coverage. And before we get started, though,

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Speaker 1: it is a happy motherfucking birthday to the one and

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Speaker 1: only Andrea Bitch. She wishes she was thirty. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you my little tiny microphone, and Caitlin

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Speaker 1: and I are going to share one. Okay, So here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday to the do I have to hold it

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Speaker 3: through the close? That's fine, isn't it so cute? It

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Speaker 3: is very okay.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started on the US Open. Let's just

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Speaker 1: get right into it. Let's start with the winners, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get into questions that were sent to me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Blah blah blah. And let's start with the

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Speaker 1: men because it was so close. It was yesterday, straight

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Speaker 1: set win for Yannick Sinner. Nobody was surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: I actually picked him to win in straight sets, and

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Speaker 1: I also picked him to win the tournament, didn't I Caitlyn?

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what about Caitly.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: I picked Tilor Fritz, which I will say in retrospect

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Speaker 3: However, he made a final. No, I thought there was

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Speaker 3: a brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I actually have to give you kudos.

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Speaker 1: It was good that was I did pick him. When

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Speaker 1: Djokovic lost, I said, Taylor will make the final.

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Speaker 4: I was hoping Taylor would put Renee just can't. That's

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Speaker 4: the one thing you should know about Renee. She can't

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Speaker 4: just let anybody have a win, so she will just

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Speaker 4: stamp her name onto everything that Caitlin has achieved with

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Speaker 4: her random ass Taylor Fritz call, who's never made it

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Speaker 4: past the quater finals.

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Speaker 3: That is brilliant. And I'm giving you the win. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a ninety win because

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Speaker 1: technically my player won the tournament.

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Speaker 2: I was happy to see Center win. He deserved the win.

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Speaker 2: Play excellent. He was I thought, improving match to match.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys felt the same way,

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Speaker 4: Answered, Yeah, I think think the I think in the

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Speaker 4: semi finals he didn't look great. I think he was

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Speaker 4: struggling with playing Pukey Jack Draper. I thought in the

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Speaker 4: second week that was his worst match of all. My

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Speaker 4: favorite match, I think the best match he played was

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Speaker 4: sets to love down. I think my favorite match of

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Speaker 4: Yannix was the one against Media Dev because he showed

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Speaker 4: and volley he was slicing, he was playing a few

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Speaker 4: But that's where I saw a real improvement from janicks Ina,

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Speaker 1: I give a lot of credit to Darren k Hill

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Speaker 3: I got to do an Italian TV hit.

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Speaker 2: And he talked to me about the Americans, which we'll

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Speaker 2: I think that was the main point of the interview.

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Speaker 2: But then they were like, oh, what do you think

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Speaker 2: about Center and Medvedev? And I was like, I kind

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Speaker 2: of have to think. This is like the final, right

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Speaker 1: We called it in the green room the de facto final,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't want to take away anything from anybody else,

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Speaker 3: Djokovic were bounced, and we want.

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Speaker 1: And the only two guys that want to Grand Slam.

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Speaker 2: The only experienced players. Said but no, I love the variety.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does anybody not like this guy?

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Speaker 4: I think some people have the and that's what I

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Speaker 3: I tried to be respectful of the people in the booth.

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Speaker 3: But I just couldn't believe that this guy is hitting harder,

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Speaker 1: I think it was in sane, but that's his way

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Speaker 1: he has the most incredible tiebreak record. And I said

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Speaker 1: good returner. It's ridiculous how well he plays tennis on

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Speaker 2: And I think maybe to your point, Andrea, that maybe

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Speaker 2: and it's more like death by a thousand cuts. He's

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Speaker 2: He's never he's never a balanced and he gives he.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the great, great, great players,

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Speaker 1: Shakey's or you know whatever. Rafa would sort of gesture sometimes,

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Speaker 4: I think that's a really good point because he has

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Speaker 4: I think Novak has mastered in a different, different way

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit angry at everyone, and that's what

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Speaker 4: And to your point, Caitlin, with Carlos, I think why

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Speaker 4: To your point, why Carlos flocked? People flock to Carlos more.

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Speaker 4: When Yannick doesn't play well, as he didn't in the

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Speaker 4: he just plays a solid and the other one will

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Speaker 4: When he fails, he still plays fails gloriously, and I

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Speaker 3: He so good? And then he plays well and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I remember, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Can we take a second to talk about Jack Draper,

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Speaker 2: who I think for a lot of people, myself included,

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Speaker 3: I was really impressed with his swagger.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we need to talk about the puking because

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Speaker 2: one of the benefits of getting the sick churt side.

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Speaker 2: And if anyone's not reading under his substack finite jest,

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Speaker 2: please do because you get incredible tidbits like what you

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Speaker 3: Puke churt side. But I really want to.

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Speaker 2: Sort of get you to, first of all, talk through

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Speaker 4: I thought he showed incredible resilience in that match. He

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Speaker 1: If he can to practice like that.

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Speaker 3: You have to practice like that.

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Speaker 1: You have to go out there for three or four hours,

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Speaker 4: And then we have to mention that thirty one shot rightly.

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Speaker 4: Well, I always have to sit my favorites and my

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Speaker 3: Him like my weird thing with Todd Martin. But yes,

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Speaker 4: He's so good and he said, he said, I've never

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Speaker 3: I don't think he can recover from it, and he really.

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Speaker 3: We just have to say one thing about Taylor. Fritz.

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Speaker 4: Taylor Fritz. I love him to death. He's an incredible competitor.

437
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 4: I love that so much. He's so fucking resilient.

438
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Speaker 3: And when I saw him on the bench after he

439
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 3: lost the final, sad he was.

440
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 4: I saw that was the origin story of his neck

441
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 4: if he ever wins a major title.

442
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 3: Seen it in his face, he was plotting it. I

443
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 3: love that he's.

444
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 4: Two one dimensional much that he didn't play one single

445
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 4: angle and one time he framed it and that's when

446
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 4: he got a free point because was like, oh, that

447
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 4: he needs to add something to his game.

448
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 2: You think at a certain point, after two and a

449
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: half sets of tennis and losing, you'd be like just serveal.

450
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Speaker 4: Have you seen he was vollied amazing and it's francis

451
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 4: amazing And he even said, he said, like, I've never

452
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: volleyed this way in my life.

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Speaker 1: Listen. He and I've had this little bit of a

454
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Speaker 1: conversation on you know, messaging, because I say.

455
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 3: Because you're there, you got to.

456
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: I am you got too. And he says, I know

457
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: we've been trying, but I just it's so foreign for him.

458
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: But my god, Taylor, if you want to win a

459
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: Grand Slam against Carlos alz and Yanick Sinner and Novak,

460
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: because he's still there, you have to improve your net

461
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: game because there are so many times times that he's

462
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 1: playing the most unbelievable shots and not going in and

463
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: then the ball comes back slowly, and then he smacks

464
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: another great shot and it comes back slowly, and then

465
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: he smacks another shot. It's like, oh my god, just

466
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: take it out of the.

467
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 3: Fucking air or hit it to an angle, or hit

468
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Speaker 3: it to an angle.

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Speaker 4: Because he plays in credit because yesterday was the perfect

470
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 4: example of a player playing the same game the other

471
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 4: one just being a tiny little bit better, a tiny little.

472
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: Better, except does everything better?

473
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 3: Yes better?

474
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Speaker 1: His forehands a little bit bigger, his back ends a

475
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: little bit bigger, and he can hit that angle. He

476
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: comes into the net, improve his game.

477
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Speaker 3: He forces himself. Yeah, he forces himself to do it.

478
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 4: He also played a huge dropshot that it looked terrible,

479
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 4: but my power to him.

480
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: Yes.

481
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, guys, I saw them

482
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Speaker 1: practice and he was practicing that a lot. So he's

483
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Speaker 1: trying to implement the layers. To be a great player,

484
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: you have to have layers. Now, that's Carlos has done

485
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: with the drop shot with the forehand. He comes into

486
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Speaker 1: the net all the time. He has such variety. I mean,

487
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: Novak improved his net game. He has dropped shot off

488
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: the backhand, Like, you've got to have variety, and if

489
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Speaker 1: you don't, these guys are too good.

490
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Speaker 2: I think one thing to echo what you're saying, Andrea,

491
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: and you're right, Renee, is.

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Speaker 3: That Taylor has I think the mentality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, watching being reminded of his note to himself from

494
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: here ago, saying how much he knew he himself was

495
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: underachieving and this is not acceptable, and he knew he

496
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: could be much better and through resilience and adding layers

497
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: and holding himself to a higher standard of accountability.

498
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Speaker 3: He got to a Grandsom final, which I don't.

499
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Speaker 2: Think even he envisioned, probably for himself, at least not

500
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Speaker 2: in the short term. So to me, I think he

501
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: actually maybe is capable of looking having that on it.

502
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: So maybe that bench moment the origin story Taylor for

503
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Speaker 2: Taylor to get to the next level. Now that he's okay,

504
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: I've gotten to a final.

505
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: What what now is the else where can I can?

506
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 3: I find more?

507
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 4: And I will give you a perfect segue to the

508
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 4: women now, no do you want? It is about the man,

509
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: but I will give you a segue as well. So

510
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: Jim Corea again, Mark Nole, I.

511
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Mean just an FYI, I do love Jim as well.

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00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is notable that I love him so much.

513
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: Yes, because your cheeks are red right now?

514
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

515
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 4: I also put rouge but because it's my birthday, so

516
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: I will say Jim Corey and it's not It's a

517
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 4: story about him that Mark Knowles told me, which this

518
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: could be a segue into the women's That's why I

519
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: bring it up. He told me the story that they

520
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: were really good friends at Balieri and Jim Corea used

521
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: to get really angry and self sabotage and matches, and

522
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: one time he lost to somebody he shouldn't have lost to.

523
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: He was seventeen years old. And Mark told me after

524
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Speaker 4: that he saw him. They were sharing a room, I think,

525
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 4: or they saw him in the gym, and Jim said

526
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Speaker 4: to him, I will never let this happen to me again.

527
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 4: I will never ever lose because of myself again. And

528
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Speaker 4: until the end of his career he never ever did again.

529
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: And this is to me absolutely mind blow. Mark No

530
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 4: said to me that Jim never again. Would you see

531
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: him get angry, lose his shit, lose his tempo, whatever,

532
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: And I he's a different type. But I still think

533
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 4: Taylor has some of that in him. I think I

534
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: saw it in his face when he lost. He wasn't

535
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 4: sad and disappointed and everyone is against me. He was

536
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: fucking angry, and I want to see that emotion because

537
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: he was like, man, this is not enough. I need

538
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 4: to do better. And that's why I think, Caitlin, you're right.

539
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: I think he has the mentality to turn this around

540
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I don't genuinely think he's He's

542
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: good enough and has the weapons, and you've got to

543
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: have weapons now to win a Grand Slam, and I

544
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: think he hopefully proved that to himself. And look Roger

545
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: and his movement has improved out of sight in two months,

546
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: like he has gotten faster.

547
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: Is it enough to he needs to be a little

548
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: bit faster.

549
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit gangly and a little bit sort

550
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: of he doesn't move real naturally like even Yannick. He's

551
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: a better athlete. I mean he's a great skier. Let's

552
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: not forget about that.

553
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: To be on the sloops and the dot, yeah, I

554
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: think that season and get his bending and his power

555
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: be slower and be able to be a little more nimble.

556
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: Like the Spider Man.

557
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: I think he needs to stay away from skis. Me

558
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: imagining him on skis is not a good thing. Jesus knew,

559
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: but a bit he's improved and he's improved everything. The

560
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: thing for me is that he needs to improve his

561
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: net game and if he does that, he can finish

562
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: points off quicker specialist. Well you know whatever. Anyway, No,

563
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to just put a quick mention in because

564
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: we don't talk about it enough. The men's doubles. I

565
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: want to say huge congrats to Jordan Thompson and Max Purcell,

566
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: because if anyone saw their match at Wimbledon in the finals,

567
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a choke it was. It was

568
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: so brutal for me to sit there and watch two

569
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: friends of mine, two Aussie boys about to win a

570
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: Wimbledon doubles title, which is so coveted, you know, in

571
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: the closet of your tennis trophies as an Australian, and

572
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: to watch Jordan Thompson just fall apart. The poor guy,

573
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: he choked so bad and I love him so much.

574
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: And guess I did the women's mixed up, did the

575
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Speaker 1: women's doubles. After the men's doubles, you guys. And I

576
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: came back from the from you know, commentating it. It

577
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: was like ten o'clock at night. There was no one there.

578
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: It was like quiet, and you know it's like in

579
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: the you walk into the players in that door to

580
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: go into where the player's locker room is, the men's one.

581
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Nobody's there, just the security people. And I walk in,

582
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: I opened the door and who's the first person I

583
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: see walking up the stairs. Jordan Thompson. And he looked

584
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: at me before after the men's match, he obviously cooled down,

585
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: and all the staff and did drug testing and all

586
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: the things, and then the women's doubles finished. And he's

587
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Speaker 1: the first person I saw when I walked in, and

588
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: I looked at him, and he looked at me, and

589
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: he just looked and I just went I almost started crying,

590
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: and I put my arms around him and I said, Jordan,

591
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. And he said, Stubbsy,

592
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm so shattered. I've never been more shattered in my life.

593
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: And he goes, I can't believe this, and I was like, listen.

594
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what to say

595
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: to you. But the only thing I'm sorry, but I said,

596
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: the only thing I'm going to say to you is

597
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: make this the moment that you decide that you're going

598
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: to come back and fucking win this next time. I said,

599
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you can think about right now,

600
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: because honestly, what he went through out there and losing

601
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: that match was so devastating. And it was a great

602
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: story of the other guys. One guy was working in stats,

603
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: the English guy go on, he was like working stats

604
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: for IBM at Wimbledon like three years earlier, on like

605
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: court seven and he won the doubles, Like what the fuck?

606
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: And was Eliavara was like working in an airport in Finland.

607
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: So it was a great story for them, but also

608
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: for me as an Aussie, I was like, I've never

609
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: been so sad for a guy in my life and

610
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I've just given the biggest hug. I gave him the

611
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: biggest hug, and I was just like blah blah blah.

612
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: And so for me to sit there courtside and watch

613
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: them almost lose that doubles match again, when they're up

614
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: a set and five three, two match points lost the game,

615
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Max Purcell just capitulated, serving for the match, double folded twice.

616
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: It goes into the tie break and I'm thinking, if

617
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: they lose this match, I'm gonna jump off the Williamsburg Bridge.

618
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: For them, I couldn't believe it. And God love them.

619
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: They pulled it out. They played an amazing couple of

620
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: last points and they want.

621
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: To thank god they played Jamins.

622
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: Thank god they played people that choked more than the authors,

623
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: the Gemmans.

624
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: Thank God they played the Jamins.

625
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them. So why to go Jordan,

626
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Why to go? Max? Maxil already won a Grand Slam

627
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: but Jordan was such a he was the solid one

628
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: in this match. He choked at Womberland. But well done, boys.

629
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them.

630
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: Anyway, That actually is a great segue into the women's final,

631
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: because you can decide to be defined by your worst moment,

632
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: or you can decide to be the origin of your

633
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: comeback and the author of your own fortune. Which the

634
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: winner that everybody predicted and I was delighted to see happen.

635
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Was Arena Semiga a year ago.

636
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: She was in her ski goggles and Balenciaga hat, having

637
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: basically donated the final to Coca GoF. We love Cocoa GoF.

638
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: We'll talk about her more. But like watching Arena claim

639
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: what was rightfully hers in such a fashion, emphatically, with joy,

640
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: with creativity, with the fastest forehand, with stress. Yeah, but

641
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: it was everything that she is, which is everything. She's chaotic, Yeah,

642
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: I love it. Everybody loves it. She is giving it all.

643
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: She's New York to me, she's the epitome of New York.

644
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: She's loud, she's in your face, she's chaotic, she's charismatic.

645
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: That's New York to me.

646
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: She's trying to buy the whole place of drink.

647
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's New York.

648
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: I think she's It was really sad for me to

649
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: see her play Americans over and over again. By the

650
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: American women are just so good you will run into

651
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: them at one point exactly because I think New York

652
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: would embrace her more than anybody else that's not American here,

653
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: because she just fits the city like nobody else.

654
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: And for what it's worth, I think from what I

655
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: could tell, even against Navarro and Pagol in those last

656
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: two matches, as nationalistic as it got at times, I

657
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: think she's so undeniable and fun that you're watching somebody

658
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: be excellent.

659
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you do have a crowd that

660
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: appreciates I think so too. Yeah.

661
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, have been louder had she been playing Mukova

662
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: in the final, for example, or another player who maybe

663
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: had less of a connection to the city.

664
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, Arina Sablanca is New York. Like,

665
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: she's the.

666
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: Most swaggy player. Really happy to see her. Yeah, from

667
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: last year, everything she gived me, she's.

668
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: A swag But back it up to Mukhova. No, actually,

669
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: let's go back and say congrats to Jess Pagoula, because

670
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: to finally break through in a quarterfinal, oh my god,

671
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: like six and oh like never gotten through a quarterfinal.

672
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: And you know, as she said to me a couple

673
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: of times on on the court, she's like, I don't

674
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I played great players that either were great players or

675
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: won the tournament. So we know the loss of von

676
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: that was the heartbreaker at Wembledon, one for to one

677
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: point five one third, all the things, but oh my god,

678
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: like beating Eager in the quarters is an incredible effort

679
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to beat the number one player in the world to

680
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: get through your first semifinal, and the way she played

681
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: in that match was unbelievable. Eager did not play well,

682
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: there's no question, but Jess was way too good from

683
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: and and I knew it, Jess. You know this, pet Coo.

684
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: You just know when someone's on like immediately, like the

685
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: nerves are there, but you can tell that they're striking

686
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the ball really exactly the way they want. And from

687
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: the very first game when Eager lost her first serve

688
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: and she hadn't lost a serve in like twenty six

689
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: games or something on serve I might have jinked to

690
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: before the match because I said you've been serving so well,

691
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: like blah blah blah. And I was like, then she

692
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: goes out and loses he first service game. I was like, oh, sorry,

693
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't mean to jin Chu, but Jess was so good,

694
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: And I said, sometimes you get good Jess and sometimes

695
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: you get bad Jess. And sometimes Jess gets a little

696
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: bit down herself, a little bit it's a bit demure

697
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's not working today. Oh my god.

698
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: From the first get go, I was like, oh, we've

699
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: got good Jests today. And that was always gonna be

700
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: tough for eg if she wasn't playing well. And then subsequently,

701
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: can we talk about being down a set? Was it

702
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: six to one or six love, six to one, two

703
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: love break point? Mukhova comes in and misses that unging

704
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: forehand Volly that she would make nine times out of ten.

705
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: The thing is about, wait, let me finish this point.

706
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Jessica got to that ball that she wouldn't have got

707
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: to a year before, and that's the extra work that

708
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: she'd been doing in the marks. Had how doing more

709
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: work on the court with her fitness, you did if

710
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: people listened to our podcast.

711
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: I always looked around to people that were there and

712
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: they were not there strangers, and I was like, i'die.

713
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Little pet Birdie told me that you were doing more

714
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: work on the court, and she admitted yes, and you

715
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: could see that shot she would not have got to

716
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: six months earlier. And it was a I mean, she

717
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: nailed that shot and she hits that well, Oh my god,

718
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: it was a bullet too. And I think that both

719
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: and I give Mukhova credit because me being a net

720
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: player coming into the net, she covered the right shot.

721
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: She's on dead run. You have to cover the line

722
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: on that forehand with that situation and then you shift

723
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: to the cross court right and she did the right thing.

724
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: But it was like a bullet off a racket. And

725
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: then as soon as she lost that point, I said

726
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: on the coverage, we all said mark that point, because

727
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: immediately the next point, Jessica started playing better. It was

728
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: almost like she started striking it better. And we were

729
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: all like, oh, here's good. Yes, because jess knew that

730
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: was her chance to put me away. It was over.

731
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: If she makes it volley a set and three love,

732
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: two breaks. She's not losing yourself twice movehovah no way.

733
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it was like oh shit.

734
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: When I went to one, I was like, this is

735
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: a completely different match right away, and she started hitting

736
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: the ball unbelievable and Mahovah just went off a little bit.

737
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: But it was an amazing effort to get that match

738
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: done in three sets.

739
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: No, it was.

740
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: But what I wanted to say about that shot, to

741
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: underline it and emphasize it.

742
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Is underlining a little birthday.

743
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: Yes, because she didn't have to run to this shot,

744
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: like you know, I mean, of course she would have run,

745
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: but you know what it feels like to run and

746
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: to hustle. You know, sometimes you run pro forma because

747
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm going to run there, but I know

748
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get it. And the reason I

749
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: say that she was Yes, she wasn't her best, but

750
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: she was out played for a set.

751
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: And a half. She said after the match, I was

752
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: so embarrassed.

753
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: I was overwhelmed and out played.

754
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: She said. I felt like a junior. Yes, like I

755
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: felt like I could not play tennis.

756
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: And I feel like because we've all been there. I've

757
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: played Serena when she was going for the Grand Slam

758
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: and I was completely outplayed, and we've all been there.

759
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: When you're in this moment. That's exactly the shot where

760
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm gonna run there. But I'm not going

761
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: to run there, you.

762
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: Know, because you're like, I'm getting killed.

763
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: You're so embarrassed, you just kind of hope that the

764
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: match is over quickly. And that's why I give her

765
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: even more credit for hustling down that ball and trying

766
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 4: and making it and then turning the match around, because

767
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: I've been in these situations when you're outplayed, and I

768
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: know the feeling of just wanting to get off the court.

769
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: And she didn't let she didn't allow herself to go

770
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: in that place where she's like, let me.

771
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: Just get that one.

772
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: And she takes so much because she in the past

773
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: has done that where she wants to high.

774
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: I think she kind of hid to your point in

775
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: that Madison Keys match, correct, that's the best or she

776
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: was just getting outplayed and she kind of just like

777
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: emotionally down shifted and you could tell, as you said,

778
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: anybody who's ever played tennis, and yes, they're getting out classed.

779
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: You just get me off the court, get this fucking off.

780
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Just I want to be done. I can't wait to

781
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: be done. And that's what it looked like she wanted

782
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 3: to be.

783
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Done, and that's when people claim she was crying when

784
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: she walked off the court, which she was not.

785
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: She was just like over it, and you can tell

786
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: she kind of emotionally just changed. Also, Jess said, after

787
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: you did you ask her?

788
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: I was I did?

789
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: When you know, I think in the first match, was like,

790
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 4: you might be the one ending Shelby Rogers' career today

791
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: and you're good friends in juniors, and Jess looked at

792
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: you and she went, it is.

793
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: What it is.

794
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, this girl is not fucking crying, and then

795
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: she was crying when it was really sweet. But she

796
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: would never cry because of something like this. But she's

797
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: the kind that, or was the kind that goes like.

798
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: I see like, very similar to Lindsay Davenport, like it's

799
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: not working for me today, get me off the court, goodbye.

800
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: And they actually play very similarly when they're on there

801
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: so good when they're off there, like may I'm out

802
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: of here today. But huge effort. Even in the final

803
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: when she was getting crushed in the first set at

804
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: five to one, it got back to five all and

805
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, and then down three. Love,

806
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: I was like, it's over because I had to do

807
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: the in between sets for ESPN, and so I was

808
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: only going to go back on camera if she won

809
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: the second set, right, And I was like, I was

810
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: not even really not I was paying attention, but I

811
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this match is over, so I'm not

812
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: going back on TV. And then also I was like

813
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: three one. I was like, okay, well I better watch

814
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that was three T. I was like,

815
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: oh shit, but I was three all. I was like,

816
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're going back on TV this She's

817
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: up five to three, and then all of a sudden, bam,

818
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: she just that's the one thing, jess She's got to

819
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: If you looked at the numbers of the final that

820
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: were very similar except one stat second serves, she was

821
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: getting crushed on her second serf. I think she was

822
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: below twenty definitely below twenty five percent of winning the

823
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: second serves, where Arena was in the forties. And that,

824
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: in the end, was the difference. Makeup wasn't first serve.

825
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Both of them were winning a lot of first serves

826
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: and are serving it. Jessica was serving a really high

827
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: percentage of first service, but her second serve was getting

828
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: fucking crushed. So if there's one area that she can

829
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: improve on, it is that it's tough. She's five foot six.

830
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not like she's going to have a big

831
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: second service, but she's got to figure out a way

832
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: to hit sliders, keep it below the net.

833
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: I think the slater was because she always goes for

834
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: the kids, and then when you smile, the kick sits up.

835
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: Against players like Arena, who loved the hitting strike point

836
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 4: just a bit higher than Hippai. We always talk about

837
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: how women like to play on a hip. I think

838
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: Arena likes it just a bit higher because she can

839
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: lean on it with all her weight and it's so powerful.

840
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned just mixing it up. It's just

841
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: being to mix it, and I think against these players,

842
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: it's actually better to keep it low. You know.

843
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: It's same with Sam who had the best kick. Serf

844
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: in the world always struggled against Maria Sharapova because against

845
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: exactly against her, it's exactly that little bit lower for

846
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: Maria to have it.

847
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: And Serena struggled with that because Serena was only about

848
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: five nineties, not as tall, and she used her hands

849
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Maria really leant on the balls.

850
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: That's why she loved that surf. So yeah, you're right.

851
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: So those are little things that she can prove, I think.

852
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: And to me, the finals of the women were a

853
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: higher quality match. To I said, it was better. It

854
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: much better, much better.

855
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: Also, the audience was much more affector because it felt

856
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: closer than the Tailor Fritz match as.

857
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: Well, certainly especially in that second set when she started

858
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: back and was leveling it and you were like.

859
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: And I loved it. I loved her. She was like,

860
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: come on, and she was like showing some emotion and

861
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: she did that in the semis too, even when she

862
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: won that game to go to one, because I was

863
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: sitting courtside she was walking to her chair and I

864
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: saw her pumper fisce and go come on, and I

865
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, good for you, Jess, like come on,

866
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: you're still in this.

867
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's funny because the mark or as maryka,

868
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: the mark, the Marky Marks.

869
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: She called, well, I called them the boys from the Bahamas.

870
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Mary said the Marky Mark. So the market Marks

871
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: apparently said to her, that's the one thing they gave her.

872
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 3: Try to use the crowd.

873
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: We know you're not the type, but this is a

874
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: major final, the crowd is on your side.

875
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: Arena is so expressive, and so has tried to use it.

876
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: And you saw her when she broke on two one,

877
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: she broke to go up three one, and she went

878
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: like this. It was like she just for those people

879
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: who are listening to a podcast and don't see gestures.

880
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: I just realized she just kind of like went with

881
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: her hand, like she just moved her up, but it

882
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: was so halfheartedly and I was dying laughing because it's

883
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: not her.

884
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: But she's like, I have to use the crowd, and

885
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: she's like, okay.

886
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: A little bit. I also can we give a credit?

887
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: Sorry but we interrupted Kit when she was making it.

888
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: But I think for me, the getting to a Grandson final,

889
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: finally breaking through, making herself and her presence felt on

890
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: the court, especially against a player who can kind of

891
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: like out hit her and outplay her.

892
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: In terms of variety.

893
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also kind of think, like Taylor Fri it's

894
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: like there should be a little bit more dimensionality now,

895
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: especially if she's going to be back there, and I

896
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: would love to see her throwing in the sliders and

897
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: maybe some of the like hingis and the hennah, like

898
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: she's never going to be somebody who's you know, maybe

899
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: flashy or has the neck game of a Mukova.

900
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where she was good. Then to your point,

901
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: she hit a couple of drop shots off her.

902
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: Backhand, and she did play the slide, and that.

903
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: Is big because she hits the ball so big. What

904
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: makes a great drop shot her is somebody who hits

905
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: they're either like a you know, like a Roger Federer,

906
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: where they have feel that's like ridiculous, or they have

907
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: such big groundstrokes that you constantly always like when they

908
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: gave an easy one, you your first move is backwards.

909
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: Your first move is a step back, and then bank

910
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: they hit the drop shot. That's why Alcarez hits it

911
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: off the forehand because you're like, oh my god, he's

912
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: about to crush this forehand, and so you take that

913
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: mini step back and then bank. He just goes to

914
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: the drop shot.

915
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: Jess has to do that on the back can be

916
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: as ugly as sinners because it is maybe the ugliest

917
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: shot in the world. Is so likely and he misses,

918
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: and he also looks like he's telling it, you know

919
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: how he's so natural and flowing and everything he does.

920
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: And then when he puts the places the drop shot.

921
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: It looks like he's telling himself, Okay, Yanni, now you

922
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: play the drop shot.

923
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah. Anyway, so we just there.

924
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: Delicious, totally.

925
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: For selly, for silly red facili.

926
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: Should yes, a few more, Yeah we were, that's just

927
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: what a great effort. But just a few more words

928
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: on Arena. I think, go for it.

929
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Just amazing, amazing.

930
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: I think it's hard because she was so good.

931
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: For sure, she didn't sleep all night long. She's already

932
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: said on Twitter that I asked her, what are you

933
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna do, and she's like, oh, we're gonna party, don't worry.

934
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: And then she said to everyone, don't worry. I will

935
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: be back practicing soon. But I am going to party.

936
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, she should should. This is what fuels her.

937
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what Serena did when Serena Wan and she

938
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: partied man and she she like rewarded herself with that

939
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: time and then back to the drawing board.

940
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: I just I just want to say a few more

941
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: words on Arena because when she was up five to

942
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: two until I think in the second set, because we

943
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 4: had stats that just started.

944
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: Hitting the ball bigger.

945
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: She went up by six to eight miles per hour

946
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: more on the forehand side after she was down three

947
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 4: to zero. So I don't take so much away from Arena,

948
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: but I do think when she was up five to

949
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: two in the first set, she got a bit nervous

950
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 4: and she gave just a few points that made her

951
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 4: come back to five all.

952
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: And in that moment, it felt.

953
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: To me like Arena was not only playing Jess Pagoula,

954
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: but she was playing Cocoa Go.

955
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: From last year.

956
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was playing agacon Tech from the year before.

957
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 4: When she was up a break in the third set,

958
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: she was playing Leila Fernandez from the year before. When

959
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: she was she she was so close every time, and

960
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: I would just remind everyone. In the second round of

961
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 4: the first you know, omi Osaka one, Arena Sabalenka unknown

962
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 4: and Omio Soaka a little bit better known but also

963
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: unknown played each other. And then the match of the tournament,

964
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: I think we.

965
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: Talked about it.

966
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 4: We win their first exactly and Arena lost seven five

967
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: and the third, so it goes even further back, and

968
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: it just felt like she saw all these players on

969
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: the other side at the same time.

970
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I wish we if we through, but I wish we

971
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: could film this and like put it up and just

972
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: have like all those players on like a TikTok. Can

973
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: you figure that out? And then and then just.

974
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: Like hi, yes, I.

975
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: Feel like it felt to me like and then she overcame.

976
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about her. She yells at herself,

977
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: she hits a big shot, she goes like, let's go.

978
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: And then she overcomes it.

979
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: And that's and I just wanted to emphasize that that

980
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: that's very very.

981
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: Very ghost of of of.

982
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: Semi finalists past.

983
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean, although although she did she did win one

984
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: match against Madison Keys that she had no business winning

985
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: last year.

986
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.

987
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the one that gil has also

988
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: got some scar tissue.

989
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: From the US, especially given you know, the beginning and

990
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: ending of her year and just some tough stuff in

991
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: the middle and the boyfriend and the stuff, and just

992
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: you know, I think what I like so much about

993
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: her and why she's such an easy popcorn pick for

994
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: anybody who doesn't follow tennis so closely, is everything that's

995
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: happening you see her.

996
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent of the time.

997
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's so you can't relate to her tennis

998
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: or her ferocity, but you can certainly relate to the

999
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: emotional state she's in in a way that's like so

1000
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: wonderful to celebrate when she pulls it together and it's

1001
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: joyous and you know, great, So yeah, no.

1002
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: I yeah, And you know, this is somebody who lost

1003
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: her dad, like you know, a bunch of years ago.

1004
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: That's always, you know, forefront in her mind as well.

1005
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: A little thing on Coco. She's got to get that

1006
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: second serve. She's got to fix the second serve. You

1007
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: cannot play in a quarterfinal, was it quarters?

1008
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1009
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Uh no, No, rand the sixteen against someone and almost

1010
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: win the match and hit nineteen double faults. You just can't.

1011
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: She has to figure out a way. Yeah, of course.

1012
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean we you know how much we love her,

1013
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: and she's a great kid and all the stuff, and

1014
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: she works unbelievably hard. But that that to me, the

1015
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: second serve, yips and lack of stability.

1016
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: Let's not talk.

1017
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: We talk about Coco literally every single podcast. Can we

1018
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: please talk about the moment of you and Brett Gilbert

1019
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: to me? Nongratulations, No, I honestly I wrote it to you.

1020
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: I texted to you. We didn't see each other even

1021
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: though we worked at the same fucking venue.

1022
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: For No, I didn't see you, not one single time.

1023
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: Actually the one time I came to you during qualifying.

1024
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy, It is crazy. I didn't see you one

1025
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: time and we were literally at the same place for

1026
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: three weeks. Yes, but I got more chance of bumping

1027
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: into you on lower e side than I do at

1028
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: the Tennessee. Yeah.

1029
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: No, But I first I want to say I think

1030
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: you did well, and then you can tell us how

1031
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 4: it felt being on air, because I'm sure it must

1032
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: have felt awkward. But I think you did well in

1033
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 4: not being not shying away to criticizing a player or

1034
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: the coaching team with the coach being present, which I

1035
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: think I've been broadcasting, not as long as you, but

1036
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: for a while.

1037
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't think we should do that.

1038
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: I think the inside is great, and you can interview

1039
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 4: him on the next day or you can have him

1040
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 4: on whatever. But I don't think you should have an

1041
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: analyst that is supposed to mutually analyze what might be

1042
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 4: going wrong sit on the same stage with the guy

1043
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 4: who's coaching them. Because then you you did great. You

1044
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: still said you have peace, and you still said and

1045
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: you were still respectful it was like, this is a

1046
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: little bit awkward, bred but I have to say that

1047
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: these things need to improve. But you could have just

1048
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: as because I've been in a situation on German TV

1049
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 4: in that where I was like, this is awkward. I

1050
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm going to say, and then another

1051
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: person said something on it I got, well, yeah, so

1052
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: I got the kind of the choice was kind of

1053
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 4: taken away from me. But I was in the situation,

1054
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: so I know what it feels like to be, oh,

1055
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: should I say something that's maybe I shouldn't say. I

1056
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: just want you know, you could just as easily have

1057
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: done that, And I don't think the people should put

1058
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: you in you or anybody else in the position to

1059
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: have to decide in that moment should I criticize somebody

1060
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: or should I not because this might be awkward situation?

1061
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: And you did really well.

1062
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not easy. I'm not sure

1063
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: if he was actually supposed to be there at that time.

1064
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, we have to sometimes like change the scramble,

1065
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: the scramble who goes on the desk because some people

1066
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: might be calling matches or whatever, and I'm not sure

1067
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be there. At that time, but

1068
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: he was available, and so you know, in some ways,

1069
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure ESPN like, oh, it's great we can hear

1070
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: from the coach of the player, and it's sort of great,

1071
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: but also a little bit awkward for people that are

1072
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: working there. But look, the bottom line is, it's like,

1073
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: in that situation, I just feel like my job is

1074
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: to also tell people at home she's losing and why

1075
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: she lost that match. That's my job. And you know,

1076
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Brad's a professional. He understands, he's not going to be

1077
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't hold it against me. This is it's part

1078
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: of the job. And if you know, Darren Yannick loses,

1079
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Brad was on the desk with Darren

1080
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: and he did nineteen double faults, he'd probably say, bro,

1081
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: you got to get your bro, you got to get

1082
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: your player to not hit double nineteen double faults and

1083
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: this is what I see that could improve, and you

1084
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, that's right. So I don't know.

1085
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was.

1086
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliantly handled. I agree with Andrea's compliment.

1087
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: I think the chatter online that accompanied it was probably

1088
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 2: fell down along lines of, you know, people who are

1089
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: looking for drama or looking for for there's no drama.

1090
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: No, and there's clearly no drama.

1091
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: But I also think if you're going to have coaches,

1092
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: and this sport has sort of, you know, some interesting

1093
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: relationships like Mary Joe Carrillo sorry, Mary Joe Fernandez is

1094
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: married to the agent of Active Players.

1095
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: You know, there's all sorts of it's small world and

1096
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: it's tangled.

1097
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: So for me, it's a little bit more about if

1098
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: you're going to have the coach there, then let's have

1099
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: the conversation. And you did, and I think that that

1100
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: was what's great about it. For me, it's you know,

1101
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: you're you're explained to not have the conversation in front

1102
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: of a crowd of people who are watching feels irresponsible

1103
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: and he should be able to speak to it.

1104
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: And I think he did. But I thought you made

1105
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: great point.

1106
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: I think Mary Joe does a good job because Mary

1107
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: Joe's husband is the agent of Coco. But I think

1108
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Mary Joey does a good job of actually still criticizing.

1109
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: I think she does you and I think not criticized,

1110
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't explain yes going And I think, just to

1111
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: make myself clear, because I don't know if I did

1112
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: I think they.

1113
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: I think it's great.

1114
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: I'm actually not on the on the wagon of we

1115
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: shouldn't have coaches commentate, because I think it adds incredible inside.

1116
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 4: I think what I want to say in this particular moment.

1117
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: I think Brett should be interviewed by Chris McHenry, for example, separately,

1118
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: so he can explain, this is what we are working on,

1119
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 4: and he's not going to give everything away, of course not,

1120
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: but he can give some sort of insight, and then

1121
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 4: in a separate segment they can have an analyst, whether

1122
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: that's you or Mary Joe or whoever. An separate analyst

1123
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: feel freely about talking what they think from a mutual stamp,

1124
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: but without being emotionally involved. So I don't I'm not

1125
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: on the thing that Brett shouldn't be on TV or

1126
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: shouldn't coach.

1127
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: I think it's great that we have both.

1128
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: I just think that he you know, I think they

1129
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: shouldn't have put you together. And I have worked in

1130
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: TV two and sometimes you can plan it that way.

1131
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: That's like part of the madness of a Grand Slam tournament,

1132
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 4: where everything seems to be happening always at the same time,

1133
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: or nothing at all for some reason.

1134
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: Around doing nothing or we are non stop.

1135
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: It's crazy ye anyway, for me, the last thing I'll

1136
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: say about it as the most sort of neutral party

1137
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: here and somebody who's not commentated matches or coach anyone

1138
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: is I learned so much more when I hear people

1139
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: who are coaches and understand I agree so much. Whether

1140
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: I agree with what they're saying or fit passes the

1141
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: smell test, it feels defensive either way, Like coaching and

1142
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: tactics and improving are all things that anybody watching tennis

1143
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: can take away from a conversation like that, And for

1144
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: that reason, I like it, even if it's not necessarily

1145
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: something I agree with. Like I think, just as you

1146
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: were saying about Taylor Fritz and Michael Russell sparking his

1147
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: player at the time, like we underestimate. I think how

1148
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: much having a good team around you and having the

1149
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: right tactics and working on the right stuff can help

1150
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: Arina Sbleka to go back to her Not only did

1151
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: she personally defeat ghost after ghost of her past US

1152
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 2: Open tournaments, but also she sort of now famously because

1153
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: it was captured really well in Breakpoint, has this incredibly positive,

1154
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: forward looking, supportive team of bald men who were just

1155
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: surrounding her with like love and positivity, and it's so

1156
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: clear that it's fueling the good parts of her and

1157
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: not letting her dwell in the past. So I think

1158
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: for me, it's a huge component of the game that

1159
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: I love hearing about, and for that reason, I love

1160
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: that it became a topic of discussion.

1161
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether people agreed or not, well.

1162
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad I might both happy anyway.

1163
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think it was good to

1164
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: be so and also to be fair good TV. Sometimes

1165
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: it is also that, you know, sometimes we see you

1166
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: too morally.

1167
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: Well, you're never going to get that from me kind

1168
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: of anyway. Listen. So I want to get to is

1169
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: there any other things about the US open that you

1170
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: would like to discuss? Because I got some questions that

1171
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: were sent in on Twitter. So do you want to

1172
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: get to the.

1173
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: Okay? Well, really, the hats are good.

1174
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1175
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: The merchant needs every.

1176
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I think it needs to be The merch

1177
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: is similar every year, so they need to have a.

1178
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: Different line if it's getting better. But I think the

1179
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: merchant better.

1180
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: I did see someone with the tennis whore, actually a

1181
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: couple of people with the tennis hor T shirt from

1182
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Racket and I gotta say it's two thumbs up. There

1183
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: was also a woman, oh man, I meant to bring

1184
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: her card that gave me a really cool T shirt.

1185
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. She came up to me at

1186
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Armstrong and gave me her card and the whole thing.

1187
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: And it's a tennis court stuff. Thanks for that T shirt.

1188
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: That was very cool. And I know I should have

1189
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: brought the card to but she she'll know if she

1190
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: listens to the pot, she'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

1191
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: But let's get to a couple of questions. Is that okay? Yeah,

1192
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: the schedule. Phil wants to know the schedule. Why can't

1193
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: they start at six pm?

1194
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: That's my question always? Why can they?

1195
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: And why don't they start at eleven am so the

1196
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: long day matches don't run into the night session.

1197
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: I mean, but what I don't understand. I honestly don't know.

1198
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Why can they I don't need to, I don't know.

1199
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: So that's something that we need to get fixed.

1200
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: Tickets would not get anybody in the stands because everyone's

1201
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: waiting for work to be done to come out to

1202
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: Queen's and a text forever but I think doesn't matter.

1203
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: But seven five p sixty eight pm start is better

1204
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: than a two am finish.

1205
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and the women should always be first. Sorry, yeah,

1206
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I understand. Can't be going on

1207
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: a fucking match court. Like I had to say, I did.

1208
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: Both of those late matches, the latest one in history

1209
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: and the third latest one in history, started at eleven

1210
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: something eleven fifty eleven eleven thirty. I mean, what are

1211
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: we talking about here?

1212
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: Now?

1213
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: The latest the women are going to get on the men? Sorry,

1214
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: after women's match, the latest would be ten o'clock. I

1215
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: mean three hour match at seven. Okay, that's possible in

1216
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: Norman's game, but that's ridiculous. Okay, how far in advance

1217
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: do you know which matches you would be commentating on

1218
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: ESPN as well as doing on court pre match blah

1219
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: blah blah. Also, looking back, is there a favorite match

1220
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you commented on and why? From Mike? From Michael Dickens,

1221
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: What about you?

1222
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: So I always about it? Yeah? I think so. I

1223
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: always find out.

1224
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 4: We get the schedule depending on how things went between

1225
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: nine pm, which was on the early side, and ten

1226
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: ten thirty, depend if it was like raining or matches

1227
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 4: got canceled. It can be later, but I think around

1228
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: the nine thirty ten pm mark is when I would

1229
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: get my schedule and I get the two matches I

1230
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: will call and my favorite.

1231
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 3: So I always called two matches a day.

1232
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how it is with you, and then

1233
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 4: my fate, and then I sometimes do extra stuff for Germany,

1234
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: which I did here.

1235
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: So I double people the thing yes, correct and King.

1236
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: And then the.

1237
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: My favorite match to commentate and was the best match

1238
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: in my opinion of the whole tournament was the Donavecage

1239
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 4: against chin Win.

1240
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely the best women's match of the tournament was one

1241
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: that half the people that wanted to watch it didn't

1242
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: watch it because it was on till two fifteen am. Correct,

1243
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that chin Win was struggled after

1244
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: that playing sabal Anca. It was zero sleep and you

1245
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: know her.

1246
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: What is it?

1247
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: The brain? What is it? Yes, it would have been

1248
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: all fucked up, like sorry, impossible anyway, So that is yeah.

1249
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: I like that you post the schedule of when you're

1250
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 2: commentating because certain people myself included Lake, listening to specific

1251
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: matches knowing certain people are going to be.

1252
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: On the castle. Please do that. The commentators, including you.

1253
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that for you same, I get it

1254
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: abound eight o'clock. It depends on various things. But we

1255
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: were starting to get it a lot earlier than we

1256
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: used to. There were times when we wouldn't get our

1257
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: schedule until midnight and I'm like, what match am I

1258
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: doing tomorrow? I gotta go to sleep. But so I

1259
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: appreciate that so much. But yes, we get it the

1260
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: day before, and then we prep for it that night

1261
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: before the next day. I don't really prep That's a

1262
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: whole different story, all right, scheduling. Why are we putting

1263
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: best of three after best of five? Well, we just

1264
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: answered that question. We don't think that it should be.

1265
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Do we say something nice about Guadalajara? They've been shuffled

1266
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: to a pretty dead slot for a five hundred, They

1267
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: have Ostapenko playing blah blah blah.

1268
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: I love Yeah, I'll say I'll say it if you

1269
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: were bummed your favorite player, Daniel Collins got bounced.

1270
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: The US Open. There's still tennis.

1271
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 2: Also, it helps cure my depression after the US Open

1272
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: that they're still amazing tennis to be watched in a

1273
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: time zone that is not crazy like uh in Asia.

1274
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: For example, if you're in America, so I will speak

1275
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: to Guadalhara.

1276
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 3: I love it, and I think it's great. I think all.

1277
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Yes to interview about their plays while tournament is still

1278
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: taking place. Yes, so we're getting a lot of these

1279
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: sorts of things. But the bottom line is it's not

1280
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: going away. We're still going to have coaches that are commentators.

1281
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: And oh wait, so this person doesn't like that.

1282
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: Yes, some people don't like it at all.

1283
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I think as long as we how do you

1284
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: feel about it? I think I like, like.

1285
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 4: From a new I know that you like, but like

1286
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 4: from a newtub person, you also think it's a problematic.

1287
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: I think it. I see the point that it's problematic.

1288
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: I personally like it because we get better insight as

1289
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: long as everyone's honest and people are are asking hard questions.

1290
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, LG. He says, what's being done with all

1291
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: the outburst and anger on the courts? It feels like

1292
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: anger management is needed big time. Honey, that's called that's

1293
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: being forever in a day.

1294
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I will agree that for some reason,

1295
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 4: it's been more and Cincinnati here I didn't feel that.

1296
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: But remember last time we talked in Cincinnati.

1297
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: There was one meltdown after another, So I think it

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Speaker 4: was with a big I think it had to do

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Speaker 4: with the Olympic year and having so many tournaments and

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: everyone being here.

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Speaker 1: And also everyone's been losing their mind forever. I mean,

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: do we not remember you cannot be serious kind of thought.

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Speaker 3: This was sort of a team tournament in terms of behavior. Yeah,

1304
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: that's true.

1305
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: It was also I have to say that.

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: And I feel bad about it. It was kind of

1307
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: a bad tournament.

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Speaker 1: There were not a lot of Yeah, there wasn't a

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: great Yeah last year was in this.

1310
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Speaker 3: Year and you have that.

1311
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 4: You have that sometimes you have a tournament where there

1312
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: is one Remember at the Austraian.

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Speaker 1: Wimbledon was incredible this year, Yeah, Wimbledon was really good.

1314
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Speaker 4: But remember at the Austraian opened, we had that one

1315
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: day where everything happened and then the next day everyone

1316
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: lost one and all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird because we felt like they were like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, yesterday was so amazing. There were one

1319
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: day there was one day that was tennis was at

1320
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: the US. I was unbelievable, and then the next day

1321
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, so it happens. The bathroom break

1322
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: obsession the freak out and pearl clutching. This is from Iree,

1323
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: like this person is mad about people going off the

1324
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: court for bathroom breaks. I see, I agree.

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00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: Actually this person is an eager fan and they say

1326
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: that it's freak out and pearl clutching when it's Egan

1327
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: silenced one of the plavias to do it. I do

1328
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: think certain players who maybe don't have If people need

1329
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: a reason not to like somebody, maybe it becomes more

1330
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: like just felt like it was like, do we just

1331
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: not like this guy because he's just taking a bathroom break?

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: What's the big deal.

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00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: There are absolutely some players that go off the court

1334
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: when they don't need to, and they do it because

1335
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: I need a reset and it's in the within the roles.

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00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do about it? What do

1337
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: you think about it?

1338
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: I don't like it when they lose a set in

1339
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 4: twenty minutes and goes the key. That's what it annoys me.

1340
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: I went. However, do you know how many times I

1341
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: went off the court?

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: Mean I never went. I will say I went once

1343
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: and I will tell you where.

1344
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: And Kitlin will understand because she lived at Wimbledon in

1345
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: Guangzhou when it was ten billion the grace you can.

1346
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: I've never been in a place that was humid. I

1347
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 4: think it wasn't one hundred percentument. I think it was

1348
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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty.

1349
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: My shoes were dripping and I was leaving.

1350
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: That was saying on the sad plight the finals in Guangzhou,

1351
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: and I had to change your shoes.

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Speaker 4: So that was the only time in my life that

1353
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: I went off the court change my stuff.

1354
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: Twice once at Wimbledon because I had my yuna.

1355
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Speaker 3: What that's what I mean. I don't want to.

1356
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: I'd always give women because somebody was like, why it

1357
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 4: was against Mokhova against hadatch Maya, and Mohova had won

1358
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 4: the first at six to one in twenty three minutes,

1359
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 4: and somebody asked me, why is she going to the aroom?

1360
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 4: And I always say I would never say anything about

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01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: a woman going after the bathroom because you don't know.

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01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know. It's the one time when I

1363
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: ran off the court. The other time was in a

1364
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: warm up at the US Open when I had to

1365
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: go number two so bad, and that I wasn't.

1366
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Speaker 3: Talking about it.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure.

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if I was or if it was

1369
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Speaker 3: just gudy with women.

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Speaker 4: With women, I think we have to be a little

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Speaker 4: bit careful with approaching.

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Speaker 2: Listen, if anybody who's a lady who has a uter

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: spons to go after the bathroom, then I don't ask

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Speaker 2: any questions.

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01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you girls. We've been asked a lot in

1376
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: questions about the curious situation and his misogyny on Twitter

1377
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: and what you think about it. And I will say this, Okay,

1378
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this as someone who worked with

1379
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: him at ESPN. He is an incredible analyst. He's his

1380
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: stuff is a plus, and he's and when he commentates

1381
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: the women and I've sat next to him when we

1382
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: when we're having to commentate about a women's match, he's

1383
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: very respectful for the players. I'm going to put that

1384
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: out there. He speaks very highly of all the women players.

1385
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: He never says no, I mean because the next is coming, right,

1386
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: the other stuff is coming. But when it comes to

1387
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Speaker 1: talking about them playing, he's very very positive about them.

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: He's not like, oh she's so slow, or she can't

1389
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: eat a serve, or this sucks this tennis doesn't do

1390
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: any of that. He's very very positive about it. The

1391
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: other stuff not good thoughts substack.

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Speaker 3: My I have. I wrote it down.

1393
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: I think writing is always easier because you can exactly

1394
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: pinpoint what you want to say, but I will try

1395
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 4: in words as well and speaking I think that I

1396
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 4: think it's sad, That's what I think. It makes me sad.

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01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: It really it doesn't. I thought it made me angry,

1398
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: but now thinking about it, it makes me sad because

1399
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 4: I think he could be a fantastic TV personality period.

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 4: I think he's already a great analyst, but I think

1401
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 4: he could be a fantastic TV personality in general. And

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: I think he's self sabotaging and hurting himself with the

1403
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: he puts out there on social media. The reason I

1404
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: say that is yesterday, I don't know if you guys

1405
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: watched Tom Brady's first day on the NFL, so if you.

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: Have heard me, was watching the WNBI game, and so he.

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: Got so much hate, and kind of rightfully so, because

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 4: in the first quarter he sounded unsure of what he

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: was saying, even though he clearly knows exactly what he's

1410
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 4: talking about. He's the best guy who's ever played this game.

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Speaker 3: He's the best quarterback.

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01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 4: And I know from people that they have rented a

1413
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 4: facility in Orlando, Florida for him to practice every day there.

1414
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 4: So they've been training, giving him, I think, and asted

1415
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: like a ridiculous amount of money, just calling old football

1416
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 4: games for him to practice and giving different play by place.

1417
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Speaker 4: That's what I've heard. I don't have the confirmation, but

1418
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: that's what I heard. And the reason he got so

1419
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 4: much hate was because people were like, why does he

1420
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: because he would always go up with his voice.

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01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: In the end and he sounded unsure. Yes he sounded unsure.

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: He's not unsure, but he sounded unsure, and there is

1423
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 3: a disconnect. And the one that I think that.

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 4: Was a great shot cross card Chriss Court, but he

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: almost asked it like a question. So he was like, oh,

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01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 4: he did that play and he's like, Tom, are you

1427
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 4: asking us or are you stated yeah, exactly. And so

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 4: what I why I bring up this example is the

1429
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: sound of his voice on TV sounded like he didn't

1430
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: know what he was talking about, even though the reality

1431
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: is a different one. But this disconnect people who are

1432
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: watching TV cannot put together. And all I'm saying is

1433
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 4: for Nick Curios, why he needs to be careful. At

1434
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 4: one point, what he writes with his online persona will

1435
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 4: create a disconnect to what he says on air, and

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01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 4: that's when he gets into problems because right now people

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: most people already I seen many that are like I

1438
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 4: don't want to watch when Curios is on, even though

1439
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 4: he's really good, and I think many people will start

1440
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: to not believe him when he says respectful things about

1441
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 4: women's tennis, and that's where his problem is, and that's

1442
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 4: why he needs to be careful. And it frankly makes

1443
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: me sad because he's a great talent for broadcasting and

1444
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: I wish he was in tennis, and I wish he

1445
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 4: would make the sport cooler and bring in more young

1446
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 4: people to watch. And he's a good analyst, but he

1447
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: needs to be careful and it makes me sad.

1448
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: I think that's what I want to say about it.

1449
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: I don't have much to end to that.

1450
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: I think you're completely right retweeting Andrew Tate is saying something,

1451
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: whether he's intending to or not. And I think when

1452
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: you get elevated to being the voice of a tennis broadcast,

1453
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: even if it's somebody's you know, if it's somebody's first

1454
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: tennis match, if they're watching it and they associate you

1455
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: with the sort of stuff that I don't think he

1456
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: would want to be associated with it. It's unnecessary and

1457
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he owes himself and this is

1458
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: kind of where he I think got into trouble as

1459
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: a player. He doesn't take himself seriously enough, and I

1460
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: think that's a little bit of the issue, like training,

1461
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 2: getting a coach, doing all the things that you as

1462
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: a player, who I think, from what I could see,

1463
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 2: is probably one of the most prepared people not only

1464
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: on the court but also now off as a broadcaster,

1465
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: like have have the self respect to do this really

1466
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: with full intent and effort, because you'll be incredible at it,

1467
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: as he was at times on the tennis court. So

1468
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: to me, it's I think there's something self defeating and

1469
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: I think so a little bit performative that just let

1470
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: it go, dude, like little self sabotaging.

1471
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, self sabotaging.

1472
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 4: And I wish you would because if you think about

1473
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: it back and I mean, I'm not going to get

1474
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 4: into sex lot.

1475
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: Of stuff that's it's dumb, like you just sometimes you know,

1476
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: there's amount of times I've written stuff on Twitter and

1477
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, nah, I know I've matured, yeah, but

1478
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is not a good this is

1479
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: not a good look, this is do I really need

1480
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: to put this out there? And then I just delete it?

1481
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: And I think he has a hot time doing.

1482
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: That well, and I think the self sabotaging comes back

1483
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 4: to hurt him nobody else because people will move on

1484
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 4: and they will forget. Well, actually now people don't forget anymore,

1485
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: which is another.

1486
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: Because it's there forever and they screenshot it. Yes, it

1487
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you delayed it.

1488
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another problem.

1489
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 4: But in general terms, they don't go through life and think, oh,

1490
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 4: remember what Nick wrote on Twitter or ex or whatever.

1491
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 4: You know.

1492
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: They don't.

1493
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 4: But for him, it's sad because that's kind of what

1494
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: he did as a tennis player too. He would play

1495
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 4: amazing and then he would self sabotage by a single

1496
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 4: situation that he couldn't handle. And I hope for him

1497
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 4: as a human being, whether you like him or not,

1498
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 4: I hope for him that he can overcome this because

1499
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 4: he could have a stellar career without all this and

1500
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 4: all this noise. And I think for him life would

1501
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 4: be also easier if he didn't have to wake up

1502
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 4: in the morning and face the controversy all the time,

1503
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 4: and I just wish him that he can overcome that

1504
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 4: for himself.

1505
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, I've discussed this with

1506
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: you both, and I just think sometimes with Nick, the

1507
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: problem is he was I'm convinced as a child he

1508
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: was bullied quite significantly. He was grew up quite heavy.

1509
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean he was fat. You look at the photos

1510
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: of him as a kid. He was dark skinned in Australia,

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01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: so he would have he was bullied a lot as

1512
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: a kid in Australia. And I think now that he's older,

1513
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: he's sort of turned that into that sometimes, So he's

1514
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: gone from facing that as a kid to turning and

1515
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: being that way. Which is why he's great with kids,

1516
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: because I think he sees himself in the kids to

1517
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: not bully children or be so good with kids. He's

1518
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: amazing with kids.

1519
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: But this I have to interrupt you.

1520
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 4: You never punch down, and you punching on women's tennis

1521
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 4: is punching fucking down. Because you can talk about equality

1522
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 4: and equal prize money, women's tennis is not equal to

1523
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 4: men's tennis and almost all factors.

1524
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: Even though we tried.

1525
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 4: And could we say, shitting on women's tennis is punching down.

1526
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 4: So if you don't punch down to a kid, you

1527
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 4: don't punch down to women's den Absolutely.

1528
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: What I have to say and.

1529
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: I will say about women's be wondered is in.

1530
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: Every single women's sports. You're the one who's in WNBA

1531
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: because you go to all.

1532
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: Women's sports and you are kind of don't No, I'm

1533
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: not giving you a pass. I'm trying to have you understand

1534
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: why he does the dumb, shitty house. I'm not give

1535
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: him no pass.

1536
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: But I also think, yes, when people are bullied and

1537
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: I into a bully, then it's a sign of an

1538
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: emotional immaturity and it's a punching down.

1539
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: It's not just about women's tennis.

1540
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 2: You know. The remarks have been about other women women

1541
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: tennis players, and it's just sort of like, grow the

1542
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: fuck up, dude, grow up like nobody's impressed with your

1543
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying hard not to look like I'm trying hard,

1544
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: which is why I'm wearing a hoodie and a hat

1545
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: even though it looks stupid, Like, come on, just grow up.

1546
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: You owe it to yourself as a human being. As

1547
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 2: you're saying and also to the rest of your professional

1548
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: peers to be the best analyst and to be the

1549
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: best person that they can count on as a coworker,

1550
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: and you're putting them in danger. Actually, if you're gonna

1551
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: tweet stuff about another player's girlfriend, and it's just your

1552
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: performance has now outlived its self shelf date, but also

1553
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: you're now affecting the other people that you now work with.

1554
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 2: And I think that to me is like, if he

1555
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: can get over that, and if he can get past it,

1556
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: then yes, he'll be an incredible boon to the sport.

1557
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: He's charismatic, he's funny, he's a good analyst, as you're saying.

1558
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: But I think at a certain point your choices are

1559
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: affecting more than just you on a court.

1560
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: It's not just you tanking on a court. So you

1561
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 3: get to be done and find an emotional bailout.

1562
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: No, no, you're you're gonna have to sit next to the

1563
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: people who know that you tweeted Andrew Tait or tweeted

1564
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: about another woman on the tour, and they're gonna have

1565
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 2: to try to take you seriously and probably have some

1566
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: conversations behind closed doors apologizing for you or maybe trying

1567
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: to make the case to keep you around, and I

1568
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: just think, like, that's not how you want to be

1569
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: as a as a person, as a colleague, as a coworker,

1570
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: as a man, and not up.

1571
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's not really good point, because no, that's

1572
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 4: a really good point because the biggest transition from tennis

1573
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: player to post tennis player is you start to work

1574
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 4: in teams. It's not and yes you have a team

1575
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 4: as a tennis player, but they cater to your needs

1576
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 4: you pay them.

1577
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: To, and then you have to start like, you know,

1578
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: because see what he said about Sinna, you had to

1579
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: like there was avoidance with like the cineer matches and

1580
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. So it's just like it puts,

1581
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: as you say, Caitlin, it puts everybody who's working with

1582
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: him in a bit of a bind. The women's doubles,

1583
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: we forgot to say, what a great effort from Kitchenok

1584
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: and Ostapenko to win that in Kitchenock from Ukraine, like

1585
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: to see her win that doubles and the double kit

1586
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: on match point that they did the VR var and

1587
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: said no, it's a double hit. I was like, I

1588
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: can't believe we're getting a var on match point of

1589
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: the women's doubles and then they got it right, thank god,

1590
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: because they got one wrong. But that was great to see.

1591
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw that out there.

1592
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: And Nadia and Kitchen had to push her wedding back. Yeah,

1593
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 3: I know.

1594
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: That was so funny. She's like, we're supposed to get

1595
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: married four days ago and Wednesday, so that was awesome.

1596
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: I want to say, if you go out to the

1597
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: US Open next year and you get your honey deuces,

1598
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: remember I told everyone to get a double. That's one

1599
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: thing that I will tell you. Get to get a double,

1600
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: not just one shot of vodka. Or this is the

1601
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: secret of secrets thanks to Serena Williams. Get it with tequila.

1602
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 3: Oh, we always get it with sequila. It's much better.

1603
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: What the fuck? How of me, a tequila drinking lover,

1604
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: not realize that? And I have the tequila in the

1605
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: honeyduce and it is seven billion times.

1606
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was an open secrets.

1607
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: We always we go to a bar to celebrate my

1608
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,919
Speaker 4: birth later on my midday they do the honeydews with tequila.

1609
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. That's the winner

1610
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: for me. And they make a lot of money with

1611
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: those bloody honeyduces. The tournament was incredible. It was packed.

1612
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: We have tennis fans out the wazoo that want to

1613
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: come every year. I do want to throw out a

1614
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: thank you to Odaman Piquet. I'm wearing their watch still

1615
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: and I have to sadly give it back tomorrow. If

1616
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: you're going to shut out sponsors, I'll take I mean listen,

1617
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: if they would give me this watch, I would keep

1618
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: it forever. But sadly I have to give it back

1619
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: next week tomorrow actually, But I want to thank them,

1620
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: and I want to thank Argent they gave me a

1621
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: nice couple of outfits and cal Meyer Danielle Kalmyer. Because

1622
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: it was it became oh my god, I've got to

1623
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: up my game every day now because people were making

1624
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: comments about moutfits, I was like shit, I felt pressure

1625
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: every day. So hey, listen, people out there, you want

1626
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: to give me some mouthfits next year, I'll take them.

1627
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: What about you, pet Go Because you got a little

1628
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: bit of love as well on the old intranet in

1629
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,520
Speaker 1: the social media.

1630
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 4: I lived that expectation every day of your life. Because

1631
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm a fashion That's what you have to cope with.

1632
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: It's your fashion expert. We're wrapping it up. Yeah, that's it.

1633
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: That's all I got for you, guys.

1634
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: You happy, I'm happy.

1635
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming over to my apartment, uh to do

1636
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: this podcast. And also I will say I think it's

1637
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: cool that the tennis players are now as the commentators

1638
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 2: have started to do, are doing essentially tunnel locks with

1639
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: their fits. So everyone's game from spectator the player to commentator.

1640
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 2: I feel like fashion wise has really stepped up.

1641
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 3: Should we talk about podcast? Okay, pass take about.

1642
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: Let's pass on that. If anyone ever comes out with

1643
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: a large bow on a tennis cone again, no, it's

1644
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: it's an absolute two thumbs down. There's only one person

1645
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: that's pulled that ship off through her career, and that

1646
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: was Serena.

1647
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 4: But still also would have looked crazy on everybody. I

1648
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 4: think Naomi also worried.

1649
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: Willy, I mean, so unique and whatever, but.

1650
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: Are you buying? Are you, as a consumer of a

1651
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: tennis outfit, going to buy a big boat on it tennis?

1652
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 4: So I know from Adidas when they made Zebra outfits. Yeah, yes,

1653
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: So when they made them, they said they strict, they

1654
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 4: were not sure because they do all these testing and

1655
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: they weren't sure whether people will buy it, but they

1656
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 4: did that to create a social media buzz.

1657
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Nike, Nike needs up its game because it's

1658
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: getting eaten alive right now by a lot of other competitors.

1659
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know those Yoga Moto two years of

1660
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: Friendship and kids. The Zebras and also the black with

1661
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 2: the flowers are extremely hard to find and very very

1662
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: retail market.

1663
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: I also loved Matthew McConaughey voicing over the teasers for

1664
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: ESPN in the last couple of days. It was nuts.

1665
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: It's like, what is happening? He was very cringe am

1666
01:13:54,360 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: I cringing and on the on the video or in person, like.

1667
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 4: His whole thing and during the final with the weird

1668
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 4: hand gesturing and the Bendah.

1669
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: Well, well I didn't I didn't really see. I said,

1670
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: I was watching the Liberys.

1671
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 4: When I go to things with my dad and he

1672
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 4: behaves and you're like, oh my god, I'm d up

1673
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 4: embarrassing me, That's how I felt about about him.

1674
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was at the Liberty Aces game yesterday,

1675
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: so I don't even watch a lot of the men's match.

1676
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: I was watching it. That's not true. I watched it

1677
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: in the Crown.

1678
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: Who was the uncle in Napoleon Dynamite who does the

1679
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: nunchucks at the gas station.

1680
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: It was giving.

1681
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: That and a shout out to everyone that retired. Okay,

1682
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: uncle Rico, I want to give a shout out to

1683
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 1: everyone who also retired at the US Open Schwartzman, Danielle Collins,

1684
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: Shelby Rodgers, Dominic team. Yeah, Donald Young made the finals

1685
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: and mixers out of the blue, but I'm sorry for

1686
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: him that his last match was also his probably his

1687
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: worst match she did. But frankly, can we shout out

1688
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: so around by far? She's so good, the best player

1689
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: on the court because she knows how to play doubles.

1690
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: You get the ball low well, folly.

1691
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: It's just it was so.

1692
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: Refreshing to watch. She cannot serve the fucking ship, but

1693
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: she knows how to hit the ball in certain spots

1694
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: on a doubles court. So watch her play doubles because

1695
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: that's how you win doubles matches. People. It was so frustrating,

1696
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: was like, put me back out their coach.

1697
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 3: And she's a fucking competitor. She was yelling at and.

1698
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: When he didn't hit the ball to give them two

1699
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: match points. She went ballistic on him, but it wasn't

1700
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: like like throwing her arms up like what. She was

1701
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: just like, get your head out.

1702
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I love that because he had been in

1703
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 4: two finals this year and couldn't make it, and so

1704
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 4: he was getting so nervous and she was like, metaphorically speaking,

1705
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 4: she grabbed him by the shoulders, shook him like somebody

1706
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 4: by the balls, grabbed him by the shoulders, shook him

1707
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 4: like somebody should have shook Matthew mcconnicky.

1708
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 3: And then and you pull yourself to go pull yourself.

1709
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I like, OK. When he literally poached

1710
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: she hit the great return. It was obviously that they

1711
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: were switching at the net, that he was going to

1712
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: go she was going to cover the line. It was

1713
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: perfectly played. He has the easiest volley in the world

1714
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: and he lets it go and at lands on foot

1715
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: inside the baseline. I'm like, bro, I have done that

1716
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: move seven billion times, And even if I thought maybe

1717
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: it was going to go out, I still hit the

1718
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: volley because I'm like, I'm not missing this volley, whereas

1719
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: the chances are it might go in, I'd rather hit

1720
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: the volley. I couldn't believe he didn't hit the watching

1721
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: two women with two guys that were shitting themselves. But

1722
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: I'll give them credit because neither of those two guys

1723
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: had won a slam. Taylor won Wimbledon doubles, and of

1724
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: course the Runnie is one, you know, eleven golden career

1725
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: she does. But but my god, that was hilarious to

1726
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: watch her.

1727
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: He can play doubles. He was.

1728
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: Had his tits on the net, and people forget that

1729
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: you can lob. You can lob. You know that in

1730
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: doubles you can lob just everyone else.

1731
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you can't. I definitely can't.

1732
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: You can hit like the Aussie boys that won the double.

1733
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: The maximum hide that go above the net is an inch.

1734
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't even I'm not quite sure what

1735
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 4: an just because I work and can.

1736
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: But Vavasory did one thing really well in that match.

1737
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: He made an incredible reflex on match point. That was

1738
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: the best thing. He was over Tailor and he made

1739
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: that reflex and that's what won in the tournaments. So

1740
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh, he made up for

1741
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: not hitting a fu forehand on top of the net.

1742
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: How you finish anyway? All right, guys, finish. We're finishing strong.

1743
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: We're going to celebrate your birthday and uh York and

1744
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 3: everybody who worked. Let's do this.

1745
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sad it's over, but I'm also in

1746
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: need of a serious medcake. So on that note, thanks

1747
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: for joining me again. Ladies, I love I love you,

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: guys choose back.