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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, a dude is back. Add a dude
Speaker 2: in a boot? What do you got a boot on?
Speaker 2: I broke my ankle man rollerbladingt No?
Speaker 3: The next best thing, Steve Yeah?
Speaker 2: Skiing? Oh really yeah? I know.
Speaker 4: I get no pity or sympathy when I say that
Speaker 4: I broke my ankle skiing?
Speaker 2: No, what do you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 5: Did you get to ride the cart down the mountain? Y?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did.
Speaker 4: It was my arms were crossed, I was laying down
Speaker 4: and someone was holding the sled and.
Speaker 2: Taking me down.
Speaker 4: It you had to feel like such a candy, yeah,
Speaker 4: because they lock your arms and you're like, you're like
Speaker 4: a little burrito, and they're like.
Speaker 2: All their training is coming into action.
Speaker 6: I don't even think Gwyneth Paltrow had had take the
Speaker 6: cart down.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the craziest thing.
Speaker 4: It was the same mountain as Gwyneth Paltrow and the
Speaker 4: guy that brought me down was involved in that court case.
Speaker 4: So did you asked him what he thought about the
Speaker 4: whole thing? I mean, he was team hashtag team Gwyneth.
Speaker 3: You guys got to fill me in. I'm not up
Speaker 3: on Gwyneth.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about this.
Speaker 1: She hit an old man or an old man hit her,
Speaker 1: and I think some accusations where that he groped her too.
Speaker 5: I didn't hear that part. I think it was decided
Speaker 5: during the during the impact.
Speaker 2: So she that's the fan fiction version of the case.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's not actually true.
Speaker 3: Guy's fallen real tried to sue her.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she initially thought she was being groped,
Speaker 2: but then she realized she was being crashed into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, perhaps he sued her for a bunch of money.
Speaker 5: Then she countersued him for a dollar.
Speaker 7: I think it was the same day that Trump the
Speaker 7: Trump got arrested or whatever, So like I kind of
Speaker 7: got washed out of news.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that he got right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I trying to frame it was your
Speaker 7: injury due to a collision or just your.
Speaker 2: Own bad anybody on the way down.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was, and it's harder to do that, or
Speaker 4: did you just start with your own accord? You know
Speaker 4: what's really annoying? It was not at all. So I
Speaker 4: was skiing with my brother and my brother. I'm a
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say objectively, I'm an amazing skier. Objectively, my
Speaker 4: brother is a pretty good skier. But well, why do
Speaker 4: you think you're such a good skill?
Speaker 3: I just know.
Speaker 2: I bet you're not better than Yannie.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've never skied together, how would we not?
Speaker 6: Well, maybe he rates Yannis is amazing.
Speaker 4: Plus, yeah, you're so good, so good. My brother not
Speaker 4: as good? Pretty good, not as good. But he was
Speaker 4: going really fast, and it was like very reckless the
Speaker 4: way he was skiing. So I wanted to show him
Speaker 4: as the older brother. Hey, it's a sign of mastery
Speaker 4: when you can ski very controlled on a steep run.
Speaker 4: Let me show you. So we were on a steep
Speaker 4: run and I started skiing very controlled, and there was
Speaker 4: one of those you know, those little tiny water bottles
Speaker 4: like that give you on the airplane getting it on
Speaker 4: the plane. It was one of those without the label
Speaker 4: on it, so you couldn't see it. And I went
Speaker 4: right on top of it and flipped right over and
Speaker 4: something snapped in my ankle, and uh, next thing you know,
Speaker 4: I was being you know, taken down the mountain, emasculated
Speaker 4: in one of those little sleds.
Speaker 6: Great skier, weak ankles, to use disposable water, no plastics.
Speaker 2: Thing cost you that freaking ankle.
Speaker 3: They got me described this run that you were skiing.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get an idea of how good of
Speaker 3: a skier you are.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it's it was like it was a double green.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a single green. It was a double green.
Speaker 3: Making a joke.
Speaker 4: I'm making a joke that No, it was a it
Speaker 4: was a challenging run at Deer Valley.
Speaker 3: It was not.
Speaker 4: It wasn't wasn't the problem was this, They got so
Speaker 4: much snow this season that their season is going a
Speaker 4: lot longer than it normally does because they just have
Speaker 4: so much packed snow.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot hotter.
Speaker 4: So by one pm everything is slush, and slush is
Speaker 4: very dangerous to ski in.
Speaker 2: So why are you talking to He doesn't give you that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you know that? I don't know
Speaker 2: what they do in Latvia? There's no mountains in Latvia.
Speaker 3: No. I went to the tallest point Latvia when I
Speaker 3: went and visited last fall, three hundred meters. You know
Speaker 3: how many feet feet that is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not many. We we parts and literally we're still chatting,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden we stopped. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: look around, this is it? I mean it was a
Speaker 3: moil is incredible. Nicks Michigan's Thotle, Southern Michigan's little ski
Speaker 3: hills look big.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, hit a little water bottle and knocked you over.
Speaker 2: It took me out, took me out, and then I went.
Speaker 1: To, uh, your fingerprint, that bottle watches that same guy
Speaker 1: that had the fingerprinted and it comes back as that
Speaker 1: same He was like some kind of.
Speaker 2: Physician, wasn't he? He was an eye doctor. The same
Speaker 2: eye doctor?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Or he when he blasted Gwyneth Paltrow blasted so hard
Speaker 1: that came out of her pocket that.
Speaker 6: I would consult Gwyneth's people.
Speaker 2: I feel awkward to say goop on it.
Speaker 4: I would counter water bottle goop.
Speaker 2: I yeah. But then the skip.
Speaker 4: The nurse thought that it was just bruised. He was like,
Speaker 4: a bruise, You're fine, Just go home, You'll be okay.
Speaker 4: And then I called my buddy Mow, who's a North
Speaker 4: Peak surgeon. On the way home.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, dude, I think it's broke. Let
Speaker 2: me give you give me one second. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dan A Dude is a comedian, actor, podcaster, food network
Speaker 4: show host, now author.
Speaker 2: His new book is called Undercooked.
Speaker 1: He was on a Long Time Ago in an episode
Speaker 1: called Eating with Your Enemy, the enemy being his friend Moe,
Speaker 1: where you and a Muslim go hunt. All you gotta
Speaker 1: do is right the rest of that joke. I finally
Speaker 1: tell I tell my kids that I was going to
Speaker 1: teach him all the dirty dirt, the dirty Dan jokes
Speaker 1: once they got their learner's permits.
Speaker 2: It seemed like a good age for driving. But I
Speaker 2: told him the don't mess with Uncle Jimmy when he's
Speaker 2: drinking the other night that went over real, Well, how
Speaker 2: what is it again?
Speaker 3: So okay, I don't know anything.
Speaker 5: Just tells you about okay.
Speaker 3: Sounds it sounds just exasperated.
Speaker 1: When Dirty Dan is, he gets in a lot of
Speaker 1: trouble at school for his foul mouth and his uh
Speaker 1: you know. And so Dirty Dan's and the day the
Speaker 1: day's lesson in Dirty Dan's classes, you have to tell
Speaker 1: a story that has a moral. So you know, a
Speaker 1: little Susie gets up and she's like, my dad tore
Speaker 1: his seam on his jacket a little bit.
Speaker 2: It was too lazy to sew it up. And then
Speaker 2: she caught it on a he caught it on a
Speaker 2: branch and it now it's a huge hole. And she's like,
Speaker 2: what's the moral of that story? It's like, well, stitch
Speaker 2: in time saves nine, okay, And then you do one
Speaker 2: like my dad.
Speaker 1: We were pick collecting the eggs and we put them
Speaker 1: on one basket and my brother knocked the basket over,
Speaker 1: So don't put all your eggs and they all broke.
Speaker 1: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. And Dirty
Speaker 1: Dan gets up and tells this horrific story about his
Speaker 1: uncle in Vietnam, and it involves his uncle getting extraordinarily drunk.
Speaker 1: And imagine like, just then you describe sort of the
Speaker 1: word war crimes you could fit into a joke tailored
Speaker 1: to your particular audience, and it ends with just like
Speaker 1: the most horrific scene of carnage and depravity, and the
Speaker 1: teachers like, what in the world is the moral of that?
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, Uncle Jimmy, when he's drinking, it's good. Yea,
Speaker 1: he beat that outfit.
Speaker 3: I'm always drinking.
Speaker 2: But a long joke. It's when you tell the thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, what we're trying to say here, guys, is
Speaker 4: comedy is not easy.
Speaker 2: The moral of So what Phil said when Phil said,
Speaker 2: we know Mo, it's because when Dan a dude was
Speaker 2: on the show before, we spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: talking about his Muslim hunting buddy.
Speaker 8: Mo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great story and how they.
Speaker 1: Have and how the Israelis and the pal whoever around
Speaker 1: the world could find a lot of inspiration from this story.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, And I mean, I don't know if if
Speaker 4: you're aware. I think I probably did tell you, but
Speaker 4: you that episode is the whole reason that this book happened,
Speaker 4: wouldn't have happened to me that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. So what blurb this book? You did?
Speaker 2: Blurb this book?
Speaker 1: Every time someone asked me the blurb a book, I
Speaker 1: always think I'm going to write them. I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to like spend weeks on it and write the
Speaker 1: most amazing like where the blurb is better than the book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a New York Times best selling blurb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like people will buy it to read the blurb. Ye.
Speaker 2: And then in the end, I wrote, I.
Speaker 4: Just kind of put it in chat GPT.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I did the episode and my manager listened to
Speaker 4: it and she was like, this is a crazy story.
Speaker 4: You should write a movie about your friend Mo. You
Speaker 4: and you and your friend Mo do like a buddy comedy.
Speaker 4: So I wrote an outline for a movie and it
Speaker 4: was was really crappy, and she was like, why don't
Speaker 4: you just do some free writing, write about why you
Speaker 4: love food so much?
Speaker 2: Who told you do this?
Speaker 4: My manager? Your manager told you to do some free writing,
Speaker 4: she said, do some free writing. Like I was in
Speaker 4: sixth grade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could go down and do that at my
Speaker 2: kid's school. Those guys. Yeah, free writing.
Speaker 3: Do some free writing daydream for ten minutes beforehand. Then
Speaker 3: then you do some free writing.
Speaker 2: Writing means that happened to you this summer, free writing,
Speaker 2: meaning you don't get paid for it, exactly.
Speaker 4: She did not get ten percent of that free writing.
Speaker 4: And I wrote this whole story that about you know,
Speaker 4: growing up and my relationship with my dad and why
Speaker 4: I got into food and all this stuff. She's like,
Speaker 4: this is cool, but it doesn't feel like a movie.
Speaker 4: It could be like a chapter of a book.
Speaker 2: Can you write?
Speaker 4: Do you have two more chapters in you? So I
Speaker 4: wrote two more chapters.
Speaker 2: Got your manager's like, motherly.
Speaker 4: She's awesome, she's killer Aaron Brown, shout out. And so
Speaker 4: one chapter was my relationship with my dad. The second
Speaker 4: one was about returning a dish at the number one
Speaker 4: restaurant in the world the day that it was crowned
Speaker 4: the number one restaurant in the world, which was true story.
Speaker 2: And then you know.
Speaker 4: And then the third one was about buying a gun
Speaker 4: in a gun store. And what you have to go
Speaker 4: through is someone, for someone who doesn't know anything about guns,
Speaker 4: being in a gun store, it's like the worst experience ever. Anyway,
Speaker 4: So I wrote those three. She sent it to a
Speaker 4: LID agent. Lid agent was like, these are good chapters,
Speaker 4: and a month later pitched it to Crown Publishing and
Speaker 4: there was like a bidding war with two different publishers
Speaker 4: and they ended up buying it. And a month later like,
Speaker 4: I had to start writing a book and I'm not
Speaker 4: a freaking book writer.
Speaker 2: Authors, I'm not a book writer.
Speaker 4: And yeah, then I spent the whole year writing this book,
Speaker 4: all because of your podcast.
Speaker 1: So how did your manager and the agent split the cut?
Speaker 2: They didn't. She didn't pull ten into the agent pulled fifteen.
Speaker 4: Hold on, Steve, before we get into that, I feel
Speaker 4: like you need to get better at accepting praise. Okay,
Speaker 4: is this something that happens a lot in your life?
Speaker 4: I was saying, I was thanking you, Oh, I'm sorry
Speaker 4: for and then you're like, what's the cut?
Speaker 2: What is the agent?
Speaker 3: Manager?
Speaker 2: Let's get down to brass tacks.
Speaker 4: I'm thanking you for creating this platform which created the
Speaker 4: space to create this book.
Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right now, agent gets ten percent, manager gets
Speaker 4: another ten percent, lawyer gets five percent. I ended up
Speaker 4: I end up walking with like three percent.
Speaker 2: After all, a sudden done, you called, Are you sure
Speaker 2: I'm only supposed to get three?
Speaker 3: I remember when I told you a free writing.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know what I uncovered recently and you'll appreciate this.
Speaker 1: All three of you so not you, but Yanni, Callahan
Speaker 1: and Brody all have spent time as.
Speaker 2: Trout guides. Trout fishing guides.
Speaker 1: I have just in the last two weeks met two
Speaker 1: people who I had to have legal arguments with where
Speaker 1: they're out of staters fishing guided trout trips in Montana
Speaker 1: and the guides are telling them their preferences as though
Speaker 1: it's codified by law. I had the longest argument with
Speaker 1: someone telling me you are not allowed to kill a
Speaker 1: trout on the gallat And River.
Speaker 2: Illegal.
Speaker 1: It's not illegal. That was your guide telling you that.
Speaker 1: I had another person that said on the Big Hole River, no,
Speaker 1: not only can't you kill a trout on the Big Hole,
Speaker 1: you cannot use a barb on a hook on the
Speaker 1: entirety of the Big Hole River. Like that was just
Speaker 1: someone's that's what how someone is making you do it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's the law. They told me.
Speaker 3: How are you running into these fly fisher folks?
Speaker 1: One I was talking to on the phone, and their name.
Speaker 2: Is Tracy e. Y. Who's the other one? Tell me
Speaker 2: the other thing? The other thing was.
Speaker 1: A a well known, very well known.
Speaker 4: Sportscaster who's even done the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Do you trust everything on the teleprompter? You ask him?
Speaker 2: That not an estimate? You guys. I thought you guys
Speaker 2: had more to say about that. Well, I have something
Speaker 2: to say about it.
Speaker 4: I say, you started this whole thing by saying something
Speaker 4: that you three guys have in common, but Dan doesn't.
Speaker 2: Is that you Well, did you try? Did you see guide?
Speaker 2: T Fisher?
Speaker 4: That's your assumption, is that I did not guide because
Speaker 4: I just read all the stuff you do well comedian, actor, podcaster,
Speaker 4: food network show host and author.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Crin. Did you leave fishing guy?
Speaker 3: For sure, you spend time as a fly fishing guide.
Speaker 3: It would be top of the list.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't like to lead with it, okay, And
Speaker 4: that I was given. I was given a word count
Speaker 4: that I had to you know, I got to the
Speaker 4: end of it. We didn't have room for it.
Speaker 5: He once broke his ankle while he was guiding.
Speaker 2: I did. There was stuff, A little little pebble there.
Speaker 5: Was, but stealing back you just don't appreciate the subterfuge there.
Speaker 2: I just feel like.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit to take impressionable people who you're
Speaker 1: introducing to something and and create and taking like your
Speaker 1: personal preferences and acting like your personal preferences are codified
Speaker 1: by law, just to save yourself any argument. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: why can't I keep a fish going? Like wow, because
Speaker 1: I just don't want you to. I don't like the
Speaker 1: sight of blood. I don't want to get it all slimy.
Speaker 3: I need to catch this fish tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's to be like, you can't. It's against the wall.
Speaker 5: All those are little five dollars and ten dollars bills
Speaker 5: swimming around the river.
Speaker 1: So saying that, they're like, it's against the wall and
Speaker 1: they don't have to hear about it all day.
Speaker 8: That's just a lie though.
Speaker 4: That's like how people talk to their kids right like said,
Speaker 4: it's illegal.
Speaker 2: You can't do that, yeah, because God will strike you down.
Speaker 5: Right now, there are where those things are true, just
Speaker 5: not on those.
Speaker 2: Groups I know.
Speaker 1: But yes, I'll tell let's see, you know what, I'll
Speaker 1: save it for the next group of people on another
Speaker 1: episode and not bring it up.
Speaker 8: Then, No, just keep bringing it up.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it up with some people who
Speaker 2: are like, well, that won't stand. That's what That's what
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear. Here.
Speaker 3: I got to who are they fishing with? I'm gonna
Speaker 3: call this fly shop?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I remember I was looking for Brodie. I was looking
Speaker 3: for when I was a young guy working at Fishing Outfitters,
Speaker 3: or even before I was working there. I took the
Speaker 3: Guide class. I remember there were several discussions within that
Speaker 3: week of learning. This is how you address the address.
Speaker 3: Deal with a client that says I would like to
Speaker 3: eat trout for.
Speaker 2: Lunch, You tell them it's illegal.
Speaker 5: I mean there was a long lend, but a lot
Speaker 5: of it was made up.
Speaker 3: Never one would be they don't taste good. Why would
Speaker 3: you want to kill this poor animal? It doesn't taste good?
Speaker 2: No, No, I know that I would like them it's illegal.
Speaker 6: Well, if it's illegal, why would you lead with it
Speaker 6: doesn't taste good?
Speaker 2: On the cake? I sing on the cake.
Speaker 5: Just so you know, towards the end of my guide
Speaker 5: and career, I'd let people bonk one now and then
Speaker 5: because you.
Speaker 2: Knew you were getting out of it. There wasn't it.
Speaker 2: That's what you're ready from pillage.
Speaker 6: On your way out, I selected species where I'm like,
Speaker 6: if we catch this or this, absolutely, and it'd be like,
Speaker 6: you know, rainbow trout or lake trout on cutthroat, cutthroat water,
Speaker 6: cold water.
Speaker 3: I remember one time, I remember Rob Waters. He wasn't
Speaker 3: quite he wasn't on the fly fishing train yet. He
Speaker 3: would have been a rafting guide, but would also take
Speaker 3: some fishing clients if the rafting company had fishing clients
Speaker 3: or people interested in fishing. Oh yeah, I got a
Speaker 3: couple of spin rods in the truck, and you know
Speaker 3: we'll bring them along.
Speaker 2: Can you start that story over again?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: I got confused.
Speaker 3: This fishing guide, Rob Waters that we later worked with
Speaker 3: a lot who became a was at some point probably
Speaker 3: the number one guy at that fly shop for quite
Speaker 3: a few years, which just means you're like, you're into it,
Speaker 3: You're gonna work a lot. But I had already started
Speaker 3: as a fly fishing guide. He was a rafting guide,
Speaker 3: I see, But would if they had interested fishing clients
Speaker 3: or if people interested in fishing coming rafting. He said,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I got some.
Speaker 1: Oh so someone books a rafting trip and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: is there any chance we could catch a trout?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Or they just happened to call the
Speaker 3: rafting company instead of the fly shop because it would
Speaker 3: be half priced for a fishing trip, and Rob would say, sure,
Speaker 3: I'll take them.
Speaker 1: That's a sharp thinker, right there. You call for a
Speaker 1: float trip to fish and they're like, how much this.
Speaker 5: It's probably not going to work out the way you
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, you're not going to do a
Speaker 3: lot of catch.
Speaker 2: I got what you're saying. Yeah, you might get for
Speaker 2: half his month, half the money, you might get half
Speaker 2: the experience. Yeah, if you're lucky.
Speaker 4: Brody's trying to protect the industry down there. Go ahead, Dan,
Speaker 4: you got you want to interrupt him too? Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 4: this is your show now, Thank you so much. Thanks
Speaker 4: for thanks for having you. Guys have been great so far.
Speaker 4: What okay, call me an ignorant and I'm curious about
Speaker 4: where his story's going. Well, I had Yes, I am
Speaker 4: curious about it, but wait, I thought we got there.
Speaker 3: I can get there.
Speaker 2: I thought we got there.
Speaker 3: There was no punchline yet. I'm curious about it, but
Speaker 3: not in a way that I want to hear.
Speaker 4: Very quickly yes, yes, I had.
Speaker 3: Befriended Rob and he was asking about becoming a fly
Speaker 3: fishing guy. And one day he's eddied out and I'm which,
Speaker 3: you know what that means, right, He's pulled off on
Speaker 3: the side of the river and some recriculating water and
Speaker 3: I'm floating by towards the end of the day, and
Speaker 3: we give that how was how was the fishing today?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 3: And Rob reaches down between his legs and pulls up
Speaker 3: a stringer and there's a couple of dandies and my
Speaker 3: clients says, are like, hold on what I'm like and
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to act, you know, as a fly fishing guy.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that dirty bastard, how could he do?
Speaker 3: You do such a thing? And it was so funny
Speaker 3: that for me, I forgot about it an hour later.
Speaker 3: Rob for years would just be I can't believe I
Speaker 3: ever did that, And that was me back then. I
Speaker 3: showed those fish like that to you and I'm so
Speaker 3: sorry and it was the wrong thing to do, and
Speaker 3: oh it was, but yeah, I'll never forget how was
Speaker 3: your day? And he just you know, that was just
Speaker 3: something that you didn't You never would look at a
Speaker 3: guy in a driftboat and expect that. Right, he's in
Speaker 3: a raft. How's your day? And he reaches his legs
Speaker 3: and just pulls the string white.
Speaker 4: So okay, so what is I'm assuming it would be
Speaker 4: illegal to catch these trout?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 2: No? What? What is the no?
Speaker 4: But then why is it crazy for someone to be like,
Speaker 4: I want to have trout for lunch because of.
Speaker 6: It's not the culture and the perception and oftentimes just
Speaker 6: what your your guide of the day wants to do. Right,
Speaker 6: it's like, well, yeah, we're not going to do that.
Speaker 6: We're going to fish this way, and I don't want
Speaker 6: to deal with your fish in my cooler, or there's
Speaker 6: idea that you.
Speaker 2: Just I don't want anyone killing him because then I
Speaker 2: can't catch them.
Speaker 5: And there's a culture of catching release associated with trout.
Speaker 4: Trout got it in.
Speaker 1: A recent episode four thirty four, name My mule Deer
Speaker 1: can Kick Your White tails ass.
Speaker 2: That was a great title.
Speaker 4: That's a great title.
Speaker 1: I argue with Tony Peterson about whether hunting mule deer
Speaker 1: is better than hunting white tail. Apparently I didn't know
Speaker 1: this till the other day. People have taken Are you
Speaker 1: sure that.
Speaker 2: This is the quote? They're talking about. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: that I said some stuff on Rogan show.
Speaker 5: It modes I I know exactly what this is. People
Speaker 5: are doing it all over the place because I took
Speaker 5: that little clip from Rogan yep, followed it up with
Speaker 5: a picture of a big mule deer buck that I shot.
Speaker 5: That thing has like a million views and and a
Speaker 5: lot of other people started doing it.
Speaker 8: Oh, so you mean it's a quote.
Speaker 2: I think it was. It wasn't from when I was
Speaker 2: talking to Tony Peterson. I think it was something from
Speaker 2: one I was talking about.
Speaker 8: Like, okay, they may have mistaken that.
Speaker 2: What was the clip?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 2: Just talking about why I like Muldier?
Speaker 1: Like for some reason, if I said to you, like
Speaker 1: if you said, I like, you know, chocolate ice cream
Speaker 1: better than vanilla.
Speaker 4: Ice cream, you know, because I don't know tastes chocolate. Okay,
Speaker 4: no one's gonna get pissed.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, if you say that you like
Speaker 1: Muldier a lot better than White Tails people, it's like
Speaker 1: people get mad about it.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: So casey Uh and Tyler from The Element they say
Speaker 1: it's a real punch below the belt in.
Speaker 2: The Midwest and down South.
Speaker 1: M they like them white Tail Deer as do I
Speaker 1: it's not as much so point being the best argument.
Speaker 1: We have a show with the Element guy. It's called
Speaker 1: buck Truck, which you can go watch on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: they got a Kansas episode up, which is, uh maybe
Speaker 1: the best argument in favor of white Tail. So for
Speaker 1: you're cruising around on YouTube looking for stuff, well, you
Speaker 1: know what, when you watch YouTube these days, I know
Speaker 1: it's like personalized.
Speaker 2: Do you always get the guy who's like carbs burn
Speaker 2: fat right, yes? Wrong, yes, sweets burn fat or whatever
Speaker 2: he's talking about. I wonder how that.
Speaker 8: Guy how much money they've spent on that time that guy.
Speaker 3: Not only that, but if you now realize that there
Speaker 3: are ads that are basically what you just said, there's
Speaker 3: a dude now that doesn't add that starts off with
Speaker 3: hey are you on YouTube? And you're always getting ads
Speaker 3: from the guy that can tell you this, well, guess
Speaker 3: what his ship's real? Like he's selling it for that guy.
Speaker 3: Like they're just.
Speaker 2: Very metal, it's very meta. They're doubling your head, sits
Speaker 2: on your body right, wrong.
Speaker 3: They haven't got I still can't tell you what they're
Speaker 3: selling or what the what.
Speaker 2: One days on there. Bananas are good? Right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got worse. Yeah, he's got five seconds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what one of these five foods is tank and
Speaker 4: your testosterone?
Speaker 2: Anybody.
Speaker 7: I haven't watched it to the end, but I watched
Speaker 7: about a minute and a half, in which I never
Speaker 7: do because I'm like, let me see where this goes.
Speaker 7: And he doesn't pitch anything a product, an idea. He
Speaker 7: just keeps going on about carbs and stuff, like, what
Speaker 7: are you trying to sell me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give a dollar to whoever can watch long
Speaker 1: enough to find out which of those foods is killing
Speaker 1: my tea my testosterone.
Speaker 2: It's like bananas. No, but I mean I from.
Speaker 1: Him because I eat all the foods. He's like these
Speaker 1: your head sits on your body?
Speaker 8: Right, wrong, it's probably it's probably like the longer you
Speaker 8: keep that running, like some hacker somewhere gets all your information.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's making money on the ad, on the ad
Speaker 3: revenue and the actually yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't make money on ads. You spend money.
Speaker 6: He's spending of a video that doesn't actually go anywhere,
Speaker 6: and it's and you just type in wait till the end, right,
Speaker 6: And then finally you're.
Speaker 2: Like well, it's like an old sign in bars to
Speaker 2: say free beer tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there's gonna be a few
Speaker 3: folks that write in so answer.
Speaker 2: He does the thing.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're real or not, but
Speaker 1: a lot of his ads. Now, I'm just bringing this
Speaker 1: all up because when you go, I'm just preparing you
Speaker 1: from when you go watch the buck Truck by the element.
Speaker 1: You want to watch some sweet white tail videos, you.
Speaker 2: Gont have to wait long enough. You got wait five seconds,
Speaker 2: you can skip it. So I always get five seconds
Speaker 2: of this guy, and a lot of times he's on
Speaker 2: the way they do it. It's like, are the real podcasts?
Speaker 2: He's like a podcast guest. So he'll be sitting there
Speaker 2: with headphones on talking to some other guy who's got
Speaker 2: headphones on.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like these five soup one of these
Speaker 1: five superfoods isn't a superfood.
Speaker 2: It's lowering your titosterone. Yeah, he and he it's clicking, Wait, damn,
Speaker 2: which one is?
Speaker 1: It's way But then the skip ad comes up and
Speaker 1: I skip. I never found out what the hell's going on.
Speaker 1: Then I'm sitting there chilling with the watching buck Truck.
Speaker 2: And wondering the whole time, what was that one food is?
Speaker 2: He like, man, that's a sweet buck, but were the
Speaker 2: same food is killing.
Speaker 6: The same dude with the cup coffee? And and he's
Speaker 6: like after GM, somebody's like, what the hell is in
Speaker 6: your coffee cup? And he's like slinging some kind of
Speaker 6: who knows. But I always think at that point, I'm like,
Speaker 6: never in a million years would I ever turn to
Speaker 6: somebody at the gym and be like, what the hell's
Speaker 6: in your car? I'm like, I give a ship, what's
Speaker 6: in your coffee cup? Don't talk to me?
Speaker 2: You know it worked.
Speaker 4: Look at how much free advertising we're giving this guy.
Speaker 2: Unclear on what is I'm unclear on what is being sold.
Speaker 1: Anyhow, Go to YouTube type in the element buck truck.
Speaker 2: The guy will come on about whatever he's going on about,
Speaker 2: and then you'll get a little bit mildly curious, and
Speaker 2: then skip ad will come up. You'll skip the ad,
Speaker 2: watch buck truck, and then later you can lay in
Speaker 2: bed at night wondering what was it? What you're eating it?
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: I think mule deers are better than whitetail.
Speaker 4: No, and yeah, and the Element will make you fall
Speaker 4: in love with white tails all over again. Speaking of
Speaker 4: white tails, Clay had an amazing story about his pet deer,
Speaker 4: and it prompted someone to write in about they had
Speaker 4: a pet deer.
Speaker 2: I mean, they got this deer. It's got a collar.
Speaker 8: On, got a dog harness, it's got a.
Speaker 2: Dog harness on.
Speaker 3: They want t shirts.
Speaker 4: They collect all of its sheds over the years. It
Speaker 4: ate its button buck sheds. But the thing I like
Speaker 4: about the thing, the deer ate its own button buck sheds.
Speaker 4: It's like a rabbit eating his own pellets.
Speaker 3: It looks like an awesome place to grow up. I
Speaker 3: like to picture with him. He says, it's his sister,
Speaker 3: but she must be a lot older.
Speaker 2: That's got to be his ma.
Speaker 3: Well, there's three turkeys behind him in that one picture.
Speaker 3: This kid, this guy had a great, great childhood.
Speaker 1: It was a very loving pet deer, he goes on
Speaker 1: to say, and would like to snuggle. But if it
Speaker 1: was the rut, it did not want to snuggle.
Speaker 4: Men, why wouldn't they chop the balls off of the deer?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When he was going bow hunting for deer, he would
Speaker 1: snuggle that deer as cover scent. You weren't here when
Speaker 1: Clay Clay's pet deer. One time, He's sitting in the
Speaker 1: woods and here comes his pet deer with another buck,
Speaker 1: which Clay killed. No, and then his deer came up
Speaker 1: and actually put nuzzled Clay.
Speaker 2: Like it was a Judas deer.
Speaker 8: Wow, it's like his new hunting buddy.
Speaker 4: This is the buddy common of the year about Yeah,
Speaker 4: guy and his deer.
Speaker 2: It would lure in. It would lure and de would
Speaker 2: go out and find bucks and bring bucks back to
Speaker 2: Clay for Clay to kill. Come on, let's hang bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta come hang out here. Yeah, that is some.
Speaker 2: That's some like h Rosendale. What was that family? They
Speaker 2: the people we executed the husband and wife? Oh Linnburg
Speaker 2: baby on No the spot, Socco and venz Eddie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no Rosenbergs or something like that. They're like communists or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's an interesting article and I like the story,
Speaker 1: but then it goes goes direction.
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy, but where was this? This is oh.
Speaker 8: CBC Canadian Broadcasting.
Speaker 5: British Columbia.
Speaker 1: Prince George, British Columbia. Man driving down the road and
Speaker 1: got concussed by a ruffed grouse that came blasting through
Speaker 1: his virtually open window, knocked him senseless, knocked the driver
Speaker 1: so senseless that when he comes to, he can't figure
Speaker 1: out why there's a grouse in his truck.
Speaker 8: Because the grouse is also knocked.
Speaker 2: It canst the grouse. They were mutually concussed.
Speaker 1: The grouse resuscitates, he resuscitates, He films the grouse, opens
Speaker 1: the door, and the grouse gets away. Here's where the
Speaker 1: story takes a strange turn. They actually went to an
Speaker 1: ornithologist to learn this, that it's odd that the grouse
Speaker 1: could have gotten through a cracked window and hit the
Speaker 1: man in the head.
Speaker 8: They're doing some real background journalism.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: They went to an ornithologist to say, what are your
Speaker 2: what's your take on this? I don't believe that the
Speaker 2: ground to what she said, Wow, if the window is
Speaker 2: only open four inches, that seems like uh unlikely. Does
Speaker 2: does he have That's that's hard hitting? That's hard hitting.
Speaker 6: Associates degree in physics also like the or like come on.
Speaker 1: They went to an ornithologist did tell them how fast
Speaker 1: were you going?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 5: The ornithologist said it was a one in a million shot.
Speaker 3: Which I don't believe and how is he qualified?
Speaker 4: Like he's an ornithology in the ornithology community, that is
Speaker 4: something that's studied.
Speaker 2: It's like the third year of ornithology school. Train a
Speaker 2: leaves the Chicago with this individual.
Speaker 1: This individual that was concosted by the grouse is an
Speaker 1: elected official. Okay, the plot in tribal politics. They said
Speaker 1: that they feel they're the only they feel that they're
Speaker 1: the only elected official. This individual that was struck said,
Speaker 1: I can one guarantee this is a oh, I can
Speaker 1: guarantee that I'm the only elected official in Canada to
Speaker 1: ever get hit in the face by a grouse while driving.
Speaker 1: CBC News has not been able to verify this claim.
Speaker 4: They should ask the ornithologist. He knows he's got all
Speaker 4: the weird knowledge.
Speaker 1: As of publication time, they had contacted seventy two percent
Speaker 1: of all elected officials to ever serve in Canada and
Speaker 1: have been so far, but has not been able to
Speaker 1: absolutely verify his claim.
Speaker 6: The good folks at the CBC are going to stick
Speaker 6: with this one. See it through.
Speaker 1: This is a new take on trail camp problems. I
Speaker 1: have shared that I had a trail cam at my
Speaker 1: fish shack and one of my buddy's wives went back
Speaker 1: to pee by the camera and I still haven't gotten
Speaker 1: my card back.
Speaker 2: That one's just gone.
Speaker 1: Now this guy, this guy, he writes in to say this,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give his name.
Speaker 2: Does he give his name?
Speaker 8: Nope?
Speaker 2: Oh does he didn't even give his name.
Speaker 8: He just said a loyal fan.
Speaker 1: I have a slightly embarrassing trail cam story. I'd prefer
Speaker 1: not to use my name for reasons that will become obvious.
Speaker 1: I'm a divorced dad last summer started dating an amazing
Speaker 1: divorced woman. This sounds like a match made in heaven.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They have seven kids between them. His his gal is
Speaker 1: a dairy farmer. Yeah, I'm in you got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven kids between them, it's hard to find alone time.
Speaker 1: So they go back to a meadow back behind the
Speaker 1: dairy farm to do what he has put in quotes
Speaker 1: to picnic.
Speaker 2: M he's using picnic as a euphemism because it's in quotes.
Speaker 4: That's so wholesome.
Speaker 2: Some neighbors.
Speaker 1: Approached later to say, heads up, we have a trail
Speaker 1: came back in that meadow, f y.
Speaker 8: I oh no. They approached one of their teenage sons
Speaker 8: who was driving a tractor in that that's right?
Speaker 1: Would you mind telling your mom we have a trail
Speaker 1: camp pointed at that medal, he says, well, sure, but why.
Speaker 2: Don't worry just tell her.
Speaker 3: Savage, I don't know why he's embarrassed. Who the guy
Speaker 3: that caught got caught on a trail cam making sweet
Speaker 3: light love to it? I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he was picnicking.
Speaker 4: He was picnicking. You do not want to see someone
Speaker 4: picnicking on your trail cam.
Speaker 2: You think he should be proud of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's any reason for embarrassment.
Speaker 4: I think the fact that they would go to the
Speaker 4: seventeen year old child and tell him rather than going
Speaker 4: to the adults. They should be the ones who are embarrassed,
Speaker 4: the trailcam people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man, life on the farm is different though, Like there's
Speaker 6: a lot of love making, there's a lot of dying
Speaker 6: going on around you all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Doug says life and death on the farm. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he should start saying love and death on the farm.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of confusion around dire wolves and a lot
Speaker 1: of fighting. Seth Morris is even waded into this fight
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: Not here today. We had an episode called archaeology OG.
Speaker 8: That's what it was called, the the og of archaeology.
Speaker 8: Why'd you change it around, It's just shorthand.
Speaker 2: The og of archaeology. And we had a debate about
Speaker 2: dire wolves. Were dire wolves ever? In Alaska?
Speaker 1: Mike Cunns followed up. The body of research on dire
Speaker 1: wolves indicates they evolved in the Western Hemisphere, probably North America,
Speaker 1: and spread into Central and South America in the late
Speaker 1: Plasis scene. They first appear in the paleontological record about
Speaker 1: a quarter million years ago, becoming extinct at the end
Speaker 1: of the place is seen about thirteen thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: They appear to have been a creature of the temperate,
Speaker 1: geographical and climatic zones. Only five records of dire wolves
Speaker 1: come from areas north of forty two degrees latitude, which
Speaker 1: is Chicago, like a warm weather southern wolf. The furthest
Speaker 1: North example fifty degrees comes from Medicine Hat Alberta. If
Speaker 1: you want to get a sense of like furthest North
Speaker 1: and what that means as an outlider, I mean a
Speaker 1: mountain lion once turned up where the Mackenzie River flows
Speaker 1: into the you know, the Mackenzie Delta where the Mackenzie
Speaker 1: River flows into the Arctic Ocean. Its ears had been
Speaker 1: frozen off and part of its tail was frozen off.
Speaker 1: But that's like a northern extreme where Seth ways into.
Speaker 1: This is Seth's taken to watch and listening to the guy.
Speaker 1: That's a guy to a gold miner that's been pulling
Speaker 1: out a bone out of the ground in Alaska. And
Speaker 1: it sounds like this guy is saying he can't turn
Speaker 1: around without there being a dire wolf laying there. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's having genetic lines extracted from
Speaker 1: those or what what.
Speaker 4: I don't know how he knows what he's looking at.
Speaker 4: I mean, no, don't disrespect I covered that pretty well.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, have you watched any of that? Uh?
Speaker 6: It like for folks who like picking stuff up off
Speaker 6: the ground, like everybody in this room does. Like it's
Speaker 6: it's fascinating. What is because your jealousy is so high,
Speaker 6: like watching that dude digging the dirt all.
Speaker 2: Day oh yeah, yeah, sneaking there at night, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And it's like they they can hydrologically mine, right, so
Speaker 6: they can hit high pressure hose this hillside and just
Speaker 6: like watch like Mammoth Tuss cave out.
Speaker 3: Of it and you're just like, what have I been
Speaker 3: doing with my life? Terrible?
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, one man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a Preacher and in the end he
Speaker 1: gets so pissed he goes and puts his little preacher
Speaker 1: collar in a lock box and takes his two pistols out.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of hydraulic mining in that movie. It's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was They used some extras.
Speaker 3: Out of Missoula, did they for that Pale Rider?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it must have been filmed somewhere out here.
Speaker 2: You ever seen a very similar plot line? Have you
Speaker 2: seen Willie Nelson's Redheaded Stranger? No? I never have.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a good movie and such a good album.
Speaker 1: Shot another preacher, Yeah, shot her so quick.
Speaker 2: Time to Warner. Is there a hydraulic mining in that
Speaker 2: Redheaded Stranger? No, Pale Rider, A lot of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You guys are very good on going off on tangents
Speaker 4: like fantastic, this.
Speaker 2: Is all like lockstep dude. Well, okay, we went with.
Speaker 4: Went to hydraulic mining and priests collar, Priest collar brought
Speaker 4: us to Willie Nelson song No movie.
Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty amazing. Well, No, I was more
Speaker 2: on preachers. Who was the Preacher? Pay a little clip
Speaker 2: of that? Maybe film the Time of the Preacher when
Speaker 2: the story began.
Speaker 6: The scene where he goes and pulls pulls his guns
Speaker 6: out out of the lock box because he has to
Speaker 6: go to a bank or maybe it's a post office.
Speaker 6: I assume it's a bank, goes and it has to like,
Speaker 6: you know, stand in line, pull his box.
Speaker 2: Out of his six shooters.
Speaker 6: Hell, he takes the time to pull his his preacher's
Speaker 6: collar off and put it in there, like, well, that'll
Speaker 6: be there when I need it.
Speaker 1: There's a harrowing scene in it where some old time
Speaker 1: drunk he it's this huge nugget, yeah, like a huge
Speaker 1: like he's like carrying it two hands and brings it
Speaker 1: to the bad guys and they first they shoot his
Speaker 1: nugget all the pieces and then blow them all the hell.
Speaker 6: Right, because the bad have the big operation and these
Speaker 6: guys are all plaster miners that are sticking to their claims,
Speaker 6: but the big operation is buying out their claims. And
Speaker 6: this guy strikes this nugget of untold wealth. That means
Speaker 6: he will never give up his claim. And he's in
Speaker 6: town living it up. And uh, he's got a couple
Speaker 6: of boys too, a couple of sons, and he's basically
Speaker 6: sticking it in the nose of the owner of the
Speaker 6: big height, the big mine, and uh and uh, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a great scene, rubbing it in the face.
Speaker 2: You want to hear a tangent, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: You know that album Redheaded Stranger and the movie, there's
Speaker 1: a great line on that album. Now the preaching is
Speaker 1: over and the killing's begun.
Speaker 6: Oh that's a great one.
Speaker 1: I thought you're in someday where maybe I'm a bad
Speaker 1: guy and you're a preacher vice versa.
Speaker 6: I thought you're gonna go Sergio Leoni, so I would
Speaker 6: have gone Sergio Leoni over to Once upon a Time
Speaker 6: in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Mhmo. Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: You guys ever watched that? I don't. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: But the kids show Octinouts.
Speaker 5: I think my kids watched it back, and that's the
Speaker 5: one where they go around underwater investigating different critters.
Speaker 2: And they changed it recently where now they can do
Speaker 2: land animals too. But there's a song and the old
Speaker 2: one that goes creature report, Creature Report. I remember that
Speaker 2: in the middle it's like dance break and they dance
Speaker 2: Brody's gonna do a creature report.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is a funny one.
Speaker 3: Chester going to cover.
Speaker 2: Creature report.
Speaker 5: No, this one's great, this is awesome. We we've talked
Speaker 5: about the the well, it's not proposed the wolf planned
Speaker 5: wolf freetru introduction in Colorado bunch, even though there's already
Speaker 5: wolves moving in there on their own. They're going to
Speaker 5: go forward with this plan. And uh, it turns out
Speaker 5: they're having a real struggle getting wolves to reintroduce, which
Speaker 5: I think is is kind of funny. No one wants
Speaker 5: to give them any We are working hard to make
Speaker 5: this happen, they say, we're we're on schedule to meet
Speaker 5: our obligation to restore and manage gray wolves. That's Dan Gibbs,
Speaker 5: executive director of the Colorado d n R. To meet
Speaker 5: the deadline, Colorado needs wolves and their Their main sources
Speaker 5: that they're looking to are are, of course, Idaho, Montana,
Speaker 5: and Wyoming. And uh, it turns out that these states
Speaker 5: are not willing to cooperate, even even though Colorado is saying,
Speaker 5: you know, this is where they're going to get the wolves.
Speaker 5: Greg Lemon from MFWP says, we have not been and
Speaker 5: are not in conversations about wolving moving wolves to another state.
Speaker 5: To be clear, we have not talked to and are
Speaker 5: not talking to Colorado about moving wolves. An Idaho spokesperson
Speaker 5: said the states have not had any formal conversations, and
Speaker 5: Wyhoming says Wyoming is opposed to sending wolves to Colorado.
Speaker 5: So their three main sources don't seem to be willing
Speaker 5: to support the reintroduction, which I think is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Why can't they get some of those same bad mother
Speaker 1: liquors they sent down from Canada when they did the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that guy you know that well, the guy
Speaker 6: that he knows knows the guy who trapped him.
Speaker 2: That they pot with the stick found the meanest ones.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure they might have to go back to
Speaker 5: that source. But Colorado goes on to say they've had
Speaker 5: conversations with Washington and Oregon also, but a Washington spokesperson
Speaker 5: said they aren't sure what Colorado means about exploring an
Speaker 5: agreement that could be on their end where they've just
Speaker 5: done some research, we've had formal zero formal discussion. Oregon
Speaker 5: has a similar response, and so for some reason, Colorado
Speaker 5: also listed Utah as a possible source when Utah doesn't
Speaker 5: even have any established packs and they're very against Colorado
Speaker 5: reintroducing wolves because those wolves will just wander over into Utah.
Speaker 5: So we'll see if Colorado gets it done by the deadline,
Speaker 5: which is I think the end of this year.
Speaker 1: Inadvertently or unintentionally, Wyoming has already stock has they have
Speaker 1: There has been natural migration of wolves into Colorado. And
Speaker 1: just to revisit this from the start, it was kind
Speaker 1: of a strange irony is that at the same time
Speaker 1: that this ballot initiative in Colorado, which the wording is
Speaker 1: a little bit complicated, but basically a ballot initiative calling
Speaker 1: for a wolf reintroduction in Colorado, at the same time
Speaker 1: that that was making its way through the process, the
Speaker 1: nature accomplished the goal and they had natural migration of
Speaker 1: wolves into Colorado, which I thought negated the whole conversation.
Speaker 1: But now certain key advocates for this are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: that won't happen nearly fast enough, even though which I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't understood the logic of it, where why you'd
Speaker 1: want to do something where you voiced like, why do
Speaker 1: something so controversial when what you want is happening in
Speaker 1: such a subtle, natural, uncontroversial.
Speaker 2: Way, and that.
Speaker 1: The end result in twenty years time, thirty years time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna land in the same place.
Speaker 5: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's been like a puzzling it's been a puzzling move.
Speaker 6: Just let nature do its thing. This is all about nature,
Speaker 6: but we need it on our timeline, right, Yeah, it
Speaker 6: makes zero sense. It's the approval under this administration is
Speaker 6: what's what's driving it, right, And it's like, well, the
Speaker 6: law says that we have to follow through on this
Speaker 6: citizen's initiative and that has to happen on our timeline
Speaker 6: or else it won't get done and we'll be in
Speaker 6: violation of whatever the Colorado State constitution I imagine. But
Speaker 6: on citizens' initiatives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what puzzles me about the citizens initiatives says like
Speaker 1: you have to do exploration and move toward the goal
Speaker 1: of restoring wolves in Colorado.
Speaker 5: Find suitable areas to put them.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so how would you not how would the
Speaker 1: plan not be? And and I'll clarify, like I have
Speaker 1: no animosity toward wolves, I have no animosity toward any
Speaker 1: native wildlife. Uh, but just looking at it in a
Speaker 1: social management scenario, why would the plan not be just
Speaker 1: to not why would the plan not be just to
Speaker 1: manage the wolves that are now in Colorado getting a
Speaker 1: toe hold? How does I don't say how like i'd
Speaker 1: have to have like a legal person explained. Why does
Speaker 1: that not satisfy the question?
Speaker 3: I think it might be that there was a.
Speaker 5: Timeline attached to that that ballot initiative, like they needed
Speaker 5: to be on the ground by x. There needed to
Speaker 5: be x number of wolves by X date.
Speaker 2: Was part of the original plan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like what what was the There is a number,
Speaker 6: I've I've read it. I know y like what reintroduction
Speaker 6: means and what satisfies like the population.
Speaker 5: And there's still I think there's still questions regarding how
Speaker 5: these wolves will be managed, whether they'll fall under the
Speaker 5: ESA or whether they'll be an experimental population, which you
Speaker 5: have big impacts on how they can be managed.
Speaker 2: If they didn't put them in, they would they wouldn't
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be under experimental right exactly.
Speaker 5: But if they're introduced, they may very well fall under
Speaker 5: that category.
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this real quickly.
Speaker 1: This is a This is like a little gamble people
Speaker 1: make when they're doing in dangerous pieces of recovery.
Speaker 2: There was for a long time a debate about whether
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: You would reintroduce grizzly bears into the Bitterroot Mountains in Montana.
Speaker 1: And the deal they struck was if they did a
Speaker 1: reintroduction to grizzly bears into the bitter Roots, they would
Speaker 1: carry with them a non essential experimental designation, meaning it'd
Speaker 1: be much easier to there there be it'd be it'd
Speaker 1: be much easier for livestock owners to kill them. The
Speaker 1: the self defense cases wouldn't be as strictly enforced, like
Speaker 1: you you know, you wouldn't need to be like prove
Speaker 1: that you were down to a life or death situation, right,
Speaker 1: Just totally different management principle, or you just don't do
Speaker 1: that and trust that they get there on their own,
Speaker 1: because the minute one walks into that mountain range on
Speaker 1: its own, it doesn't carry experimental designation. So you could
Speaker 1: be like, okay, we'll go with the sure thing and
Speaker 1: put some in and they have experimental, non essential or
Speaker 1: bide our time and wait, a decade.
Speaker 5: Hasn't didn't They didn't one turn up there recently?
Speaker 6: I thought in the bitters, yeah, there's there's been a
Speaker 6: bear that that's cruised through there. I think the Idaho
Speaker 6: Fishing Game, you know, this is a frustrating thing for
Speaker 6: a lot of people who are like, yeah, I saw
Speaker 6: grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear track. There's pictures, there's everything. Well,
Speaker 6: the state agency can't be like, yep, you're right right.
Speaker 6: They have to prove it if they're going to make
Speaker 6: a positive statement. And so they were able to get
Speaker 6: a DNA at that site and get it verified as
Speaker 6: grizzly DNA. So Idaho Fishing Game probably two summers ago,
Speaker 6: said like, yes, we know for a fact that there
Speaker 6: is a grizzly bear in this general zone. And it
Speaker 6: was actually more on like the clear Water side, so
Speaker 6: you know, much more on the Idaho side than the
Speaker 6: Montana side of the bitter It Range there. But we
Speaker 6: know that bears have traveled successfully, like across the I
Speaker 6: ninety corridor, which is seen as a huge break in
Speaker 6: migration because it is so massive there. Yeah, daunting cutting
Speaker 6: through the Panhandle to Idaho. So but I mean I
Speaker 6: will tell you, like from personal experience, in the early
Speaker 6: two thousands, we cut grizzly bear tracks in the Sapphire Range.
Speaker 6: During it would have been like the height of this
Speaker 6: conversation on putting like physically moving grizzly into the bitter Roots, which.
Speaker 2: Is effectively the bitter Roots.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like an easy little stroll across ninety
Speaker 1: three or.
Speaker 6: Something, right, Yeah, well across the valley, across the Bitteret Valley.
Speaker 6: But that was really wild, you know. And you're like
Speaker 6: much more hospitable range than the Bitter Roots are for
Speaker 6: sure as far as like finding food and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was And.
Speaker 6: Then so the Rock Creek drainage is right there, as
Speaker 6: we know from meat Eater trivia. The US largest forests
Speaker 6: that we have in Montana, the Beaverhead National Forest, is uh,
Speaker 6: you know, grizzly bear tracks right in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of grizzly bears, I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a renewed push like the US Fish and Wildlife
Speaker 1: Service I think will again request that grizzly bears delist
Speaker 1: get delisted soon. I don't think that will go anywhere there,
Speaker 1: it gets held up on the idea that they're not
Speaker 1: recovered across the entirety of their range, so you can't
Speaker 1: recover you can't declare them recovered.
Speaker 2: In certain areas.
Speaker 1: Following that logic would be that elk would be listed
Speaker 1: as an e s A species. The elk would be
Speaker 1: protected by the Endangered Species Act, big horn sheep would
Speaker 1: be protected by the Endangered Species Act. Wolves be protected
Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act. Black bears would be protected
Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act.
Speaker 2: What am I missing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: I mean coyotes hmm, that's a weird one.
Speaker 3: Mule deer perhaps blacktail, I'm sure would.
Speaker 2: Be protected by the Endangered Species Act.
Speaker 1: So the logic that you can't delist something in one
Speaker 1: place because it's not recovered in another. I don't know
Speaker 1: that Golden Gate Park will ever have a sustainable population
Speaker 1: of grizzly bears. Yeah, though that damn sure was grizzly.
Speaker 6: Country on menus in San Francisco?
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 8: In what years all.
Speaker 6: That gold Rush era, right about the time they made
Speaker 6: Pale Rider?
Speaker 4: Can I ask something? First of all, I want to
Speaker 4: apologize for zoning out. I was just trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what the one food was that's lowering my testosterone?
Speaker 2: Did you watch the thing?
Speaker 3: I tell you I did.
Speaker 4: I was watching the video while you guys were talking
Speaker 4: about that. That's why I was not a part of
Speaker 4: the conversation. I'm back.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to say sesame seeds.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 4: But also, what is the what is the best argument
Speaker 4: for introducing reintroducing wolves and the worst argument or the
Speaker 4: best m best argument for and best argument against in
Speaker 4: you know, just just like in thirty seconds for each.
Speaker 1: The best argument for reintroducing wolves, in my view, we
Speaker 1: can go around the table as much as people want
Speaker 1: to speak to it. The best argument for reintroducing wolves
Speaker 1: is it was human activities that eliminated them from much
Speaker 1: of their historic range. In particular, it was an activity
Speaker 1: that we now find to be deplorable, which was indiscriminately
Speaker 1: spreading poison laced carcasses out on the landscape. And it
Speaker 1: is a sin against God and man to determine that
Speaker 1: certain species that were placed here on the Earth should
Speaker 1: be eliminated because they're inconvenient.
Speaker 2: To us, okay, And it's a.
Speaker 1: Sin against nature to go and eliminate things from planet
Speaker 1: Earth because they're inconvenient. The argument against restoring them in
Speaker 1: Colorado is it will have and they all try to
Speaker 1: dodge this, but it's true, it will have catastrophic impacts
Speaker 1: on big game populations in Colorado. But hunters are naughty
Speaker 1: to say. It's like naughty for a hunter to say,
Speaker 1: I don't really like this because it's going to affect
Speaker 1: elk and deer hunting so negatively. It's supposed to be
Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to care about that, but people
Speaker 1: care about.
Speaker 2: That a lot.
Speaker 4: And what do you mean they're not supposed to care
Speaker 4: about who's saying that.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be that like that, that's not a
Speaker 1: legitimate that's not a legitimate concern.
Speaker 2: There's one very advocate.
Speaker 1: There's one all the wolf introductions. Is this one guy
Speaker 1: that plays in all the Wolf for Re introductions and
Speaker 1: he refers to hunters as the recreational big game killing industry.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it, that's that's two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The loss of damaged property livestock specifically is.
Speaker 3: A big one.
Speaker 6: Wolves definitely get in mess with with domestic flocks of
Speaker 6: sheep for sure, cattle and the legal ease of like
Speaker 6: how you navigate that with personal property rights? And another
Speaker 6: animal that's not even yet a game species that can
Speaker 6: be managed effectively through the game agencies, because it's in
Speaker 6: this limbo of like, well, who manages it the fed
Speaker 6: through the state, and does it get such special status
Speaker 6: that if it's attacking your property, can you kill it?
Speaker 6: Can you get rid of it like you would with
Speaker 6: like a coyote incident or something like that. So there's
Speaker 6: a lot of things there in the management that people
Speaker 6: are like, why would we even want to deal with that?
Speaker 6: And specifically to Colorado, it's like you have wolves that
Speaker 6: have already walked into the state, which is an area
Speaker 6: that most people I feel that get wrapped up in
Speaker 6: this argument can agree that, like, well they did it
Speaker 6: on their own. So now we're in it whether we
Speaker 6: want to or not, and we can deal with it
Speaker 6: because it's been put on the table in front of us,
Speaker 6: versus one side saying that we need to drop them
Speaker 6: in here with the big black helicopters that everybody fears.
Speaker 4: Got it.
Speaker 2: Let me hate with no one, he said thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Well no, I thought him, no one.
Speaker 1: This is going to sound conspiratorial, but I do think
Speaker 1: that I do think it's true the same way that
Speaker 1: individual that I just mentioned refers to the recreational big
Speaker 1: game killing industry.
Speaker 2: I think that there is that. I'm not normally a
Speaker 2: conspiratorial person.
Speaker 1: Right, I think that there are a lot of pro
Speaker 1: wolf advocates that have that would like.
Speaker 2: To stick it to big game hunters. Oh. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: That didn't seem like a conspiracy to me. That's not
Speaker 4: even a conspiracy. Pretty sentiment easy. I think it's like,
Speaker 4: it's like they'd like to stick it to big game hunters. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I mean if if you're going out and calling it
Speaker 4: the industrial yeah whatever, then yeah, that seems like that's
Speaker 4: exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, so does the surplus of deer
Speaker 1: and elklets. I'd rather feed it to wolves and feed
Speaker 1: it to the rednecks.
Speaker 4: That's wow. That is so dogmatic, Like that's so crazy
Speaker 4: that they're willing to go that far. Their hate for
Speaker 4: hunters is willing to just kind of up end the
Speaker 4: whole balance.
Speaker 2: They love wolves, and they got on sixty minutes.
Speaker 4: Wasn't there like a sixty minutes piece called like that
Speaker 4: was showing how amazing this was.
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember watching that.
Speaker 5: Oh the debunked what's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, how the wolves ship rainbows or something trop
Speaker 2: is like that was a real popular idea for a while.
Speaker 2: The debunked, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Got no problem with wolves. Man, When I see a wolf,
Speaker 1: I get real excited. Yeah, but what I do have
Speaker 1: a problem is just.
Speaker 2: Like mounding so much bs onto it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: And we had a woman on, Diane Boyd, who was
Speaker 1: very instrumental in like is the the wolf biologists for
Speaker 1: Montana And she even says she advocated for this at
Speaker 1: the time, and in hindsight she still feels that she
Speaker 1: was correct that they shouldn't have done the Yellowstone. In
Speaker 1: Frank Church reintroductions, wolves are coming in from Canada, and
Speaker 1: she said, I just think from a public perception standpoint
Speaker 1: and for the sake of how wolves are perceived, just
Speaker 1: give it time and let them show up.
Speaker 4: And that's coming from someone who it's their job to
Speaker 4: think about this and they're pro wolf. Right. It's like
Speaker 4: you'd get there anyways. You'd get there anyways, and it
Speaker 4: wouldn't be that you wouldn't turn wolves into the new
Speaker 4: spot at owl.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, Well, that's it all comes back down
Speaker 3: to this, back around to this citizen's initiative and about
Speaker 3: how none of this is these actions are based on
Speaker 3: science or the will of scientists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know what that means anymore.
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, But no, everybody besides the
Speaker 3: public the voted for it is saying no. I mean,
Speaker 3: the rest of this proves it. Right here, there's six
Speaker 3: other states that are like, let us save you from
Speaker 3: your own dumb ass cells, and we won't ship you
Speaker 3: any wolves.
Speaker 2: Right, you know there is there is wolf hunting a thing.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, in where so they have been delisted in
Speaker 1: they delist.
Speaker 2: Them in areas.
Speaker 1: So there's this there's this idea called distinct population segments, and.
Speaker 2: They've overlaid it. Originally it was lower forty eight. Okay.
Speaker 1: They've then gone on and gotten a little more surgical,
Speaker 1: and they've created these areas where they.
Speaker 2: Look at around the country, what are areas it could
Speaker 2: feasibly support the animals.
Speaker 1: So with grizzlies, what there's five or six So there's
Speaker 1: there's five or six habitat core habitat.
Speaker 4: Areas that could support grizzlies. One doesn't have any.
Speaker 1: So it's North Cascades, Bitterroot cell Way mm hmm, the
Speaker 1: Northern Continental Divide Cabinet, Yack cabinet, yack, g WAT, Greater Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: How many is that?
Speaker 4: Greater Yellowstone, Northern Continental Divide, Northern Cascade, Northern Cascade Cabinet, Yack.
Speaker 6: Cabinet, YAC bitter at So yeah.
Speaker 1: For one doesn't have them, or Northern Cascade has maybe
Speaker 1: depending on where it's standing at any given time, has
Speaker 1: a couple that moved back and forth from Canada. So
Speaker 1: they've gone and said, Okay, it's not gonna be the
Speaker 1: Lower forty eight. My joke about Golden Gate Park. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be Golden Gate Park. Where could it be?
Speaker 1: It could be in these places. And what they've done
Speaker 1: is they've enabled it to to propose delisting an area.
Speaker 1: So currently, everyone who has any academic perspective, like anyone
Speaker 1: who's assigned with just tell me empirically, are they recovered
Speaker 1: or not recovered in sustainable way? Any biologist who looks
Speaker 1: at this from any federal agency, state agencies are like
Speaker 1: Greater Ye also an ecosystem, yes, Northern Continental Divide ecosystem yes,
Speaker 1: meaning they're not conservation dependent. You could dlist those populations
Speaker 1: are grizzly bears and they're fine they're fine.
Speaker 2: With wolves. They've done Northern Great Lakes and it's their
Speaker 2: back listed, all right.
Speaker 5: It waffles back and forth so much, but there was
Speaker 5: hunting off and on there over the last decade or so.
Speaker 2: So you can't keep track. So like Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
Speaker 5: But well beyond recovery, like way way pass, recovery goals right, And.
Speaker 1: When people say recovery goals is at a time. They
Speaker 1: came at a time every all the different stakeholders got
Speaker 1: together and they said, what what does recovery look like?
Speaker 1: What's an acceptable recovery? And they came up with I
Speaker 1: think for they come up with a pack, like how
Speaker 1: many packs and different parameters. With grizzly bears, they came
Speaker 1: up with how many how many bears? So they all agreed,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bears in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem.
Speaker 1: We all agree that would be phenomenal. That'd be wonderful
Speaker 1: if we could hit that. Sure, we all would sign
Speaker 1: off that that is recovered. That's phenomenal. Okay, now, what
Speaker 1: do you got A thousand? Are they recovered?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Because I said that in order to get what I
Speaker 1: wanted at the time, But I didn't mean that. What
Speaker 1: I meant was they're.
Speaker 2: Never going to be recovered.
Speaker 1: You're never going to pull them off the endangered species
Speaker 1: list because the main you do, hellbillies and rednecks will
Speaker 1: be able to kill them, and I don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen. So the goalpost just moves and moves and moves,
Speaker 1: and it creates tremendous animosity. The biggest argument with the
Speaker 1: DPS thing is if you if you how like a
Speaker 1: person who doesn't believe in any d listing would look
Speaker 1: and say, if you delist grizzlies in Northern Conental Divide ecosystem,
Speaker 1: and you delist grizzlies in the Yellowstone ecosystem, how can
Speaker 1: you guarantee to me that that's not going to impact
Speaker 1: cabinet yack or that that's not going to impact bitterroot
Speaker 1: cell way Because where else would that recovery come from
Speaker 1: but those two areas. So if you're gonna make it
Speaker 1: that there's going to be more human cause mortality in
Speaker 1: those areas, then I'm going to argue that any surplus
Speaker 1: of bears you're killing there, you're killing bears that might.
Speaker 2: Have been migrating to these other area.
Speaker 1: Come to these so don't tell me that it's a
Speaker 1: distinct population set. This is the argument against it, right, Like,
Speaker 1: don't tell me it's distinct, because nothing's distinct.
Speaker 2: Things move around. You can't undo this and not impact that.
Speaker 6: And connectivity is the is like the biggest buzzword in
Speaker 6: this argument. Got it, Like, show me the connectivity. So
Speaker 6: because also they want to re examine, like what does
Speaker 6: recovered mean, right? Does it mean right now in our
Speaker 6: snapshot of time or does it mean forever? And in
Speaker 6: order for a forever recovered goalpost, there has to be
Speaker 6: genetic exchange between these groups for the long term viability
Speaker 6: of the species, right or else you're gonna hit this
Speaker 6: stopping point that does have a name that I can't
Speaker 6: remember what we talked about with mountain lions and the
Speaker 6: Santa Monicas forever ago, where they hit this cliff and
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, that population's gone because it's just
Speaker 6: bred itself into non existence essentially because it's just swapping
Speaker 6: the same gene back and forth. So connectivity is a
Speaker 6: big deal, which is why when these bears do show
Speaker 6: up in the clear water on the opposite side of
Speaker 6: the bitter Roots and wander around that part of Idaho.
Speaker 6: It's a big deal because it does show that a
Speaker 6: bear from the NCDE has traversed these big on paper
Speaker 6: obstacles of like the I ninety corridor or high human
Speaker 6: population areas. And then what Steve's saying too is about
Speaker 6: like this higher human cause mortality that is generally accepted
Speaker 6: as the case, but it's also I think what a
Speaker 6: lot of biologists would tell you is something that we
Speaker 6: don't really know because there is so much human cause
Speaker 6: mortality occurring right now while these bears are federally protected,
Speaker 6: we don't honestly know how that number of vehicle strikes,
Speaker 6: conflict incidents with livestock, with hikers, people feeling threatened on
Speaker 6: the trail, etc.
Speaker 5: A lot of grizzlies get shot by fishing game a lot,
Speaker 5: and they get in trouble.
Speaker 6: A lot, And oftentimes it's like the people who are
Speaker 6: actively trying to get to these recovery benchmarks who have
Speaker 6: to go out and kill the damn bears because somebody
Speaker 6: didn't lock up their stupid fricking garbage can, right and literally,
Speaker 6: you're killing this bear that's been put so high up
Speaker 6: on a pedestal by not locking up your garbage can
Speaker 6: and the thing comes and roots through it for leftover watermelonines, right,
Speaker 6: and it's like, well that's a learned behavior. We got
Speaker 6: to get rid of it because eventually it's gonna bump
Speaker 6: into you in your bathroom filling up the garbage can, right,
Speaker 6: you might get tickled. So all of these things come
Speaker 6: together to be like what is recovery? And you know,
Speaker 6: but every year we're addressing more and more of this,
Speaker 6: like protecting migration corridors. The Infrastructure Act that just went
Speaker 6: through provided a shitload of funding for like wildlife overpasses
Speaker 6: and under asses across these huge obstacles like the I
Speaker 6: ninety corridor, and you know, as we see those things implemented,
Speaker 6: we are removing all these excuses. But there's this issue
Speaker 6: fatigue that we always deal with in the conservation world,
Speaker 6: which is like, well, we've been We've been doing the thing.
Speaker 6: We have been funding things in municipalities for bear proof containers,
Speaker 6: we have been eliminating shed hunting seasons on these slopes
Speaker 6: that are used by wintering big game. And we've been
Speaker 6: doing all the things because you told us we are
Speaker 6: going to get this animal d list. And that's where
Speaker 6: the frustrations, just like always keep coming up. It's like
Speaker 6: the goalpost keep getting moved. And yeah, to Steve's point,
Speaker 6: there is absolutely a faction out there that's like the
Speaker 6: bear is so powerful, the wolf is so powerful as
Speaker 6: a tool a symbol of the ESA that it is
Speaker 6: how we are protecting other species that people don't really
Speaker 6: want to talk about, the charismatic megafauna. Right is the
Speaker 6: is the thing on the flag, but it actually is
Speaker 6: how we're protecting, you know, the freshwater muscles that are
Speaker 6: super important to our fresh water system, but nobody truly
Speaker 6: gives a shit about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So I don't think answered your question though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I what I'm realizing is that you guys
Speaker 4: have no concept of what thirty seconds is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to hear a good still on this show, but.
Speaker 2: Wyoming.
Speaker 1: So if you look at the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, the
Speaker 1: official number is seven hundred or seven fifty grizzlies.
Speaker 2: But even the but the guy.
Speaker 1: That did that number knows that number is not right.
Speaker 1: And he said on this podcast, Frank was Huga Hugo
Speaker 1: type in grizzly bear, Frank USGS Hugomeyer. We had a
Speaker 1: guest on who so the USGS isn't a policy organization.
Speaker 1: They are a fact gathering organization. The facts they gather
Speaker 1: are then used by policymakers.
Speaker 8: Frank vinn mannon that's.
Speaker 2: No, is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah? The guy that headed up the interagency study.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking the wrong. Damn Frank, what's his name?
Speaker 8: Frank van mann In.
Speaker 2: He says they used a model that he doesn't think
Speaker 2: is accurate anymore. But it's hard to change the official number.
Speaker 1: But he says, so, he's like, there's probably a thousand
Speaker 1: in the Greater Yelstone ecosystem, which is about Indiana. It's
Speaker 1: a chunk of ground about the size of Indiana that
Speaker 1: sits in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, whatever portion of those
Speaker 1: is in Wyoming. There's an interesting statistic where this is.
Speaker 1: Years ago, Wyoming was spending two because of the ESA issues.
Speaker 1: You know, Wyoming spends two million bucks a year on
Speaker 1: the Bears, and someone once did the math and realized
Speaker 1: it's an expensive critter for them for the states.
Speaker 4: I went to Yellowstone yesterday. I took a drive there,
Speaker 4: didn't see any bears.
Speaker 2: You could try to get your money back.
Speaker 3: What was your Google review?
Speaker 2: If I could give it half a star?
Speaker 4: I don't get it all right, So talking about this
Speaker 4: Food Network show, Raid the Fridge. It's a goofy show.
Speaker 4: It's on Discovery Plus.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 4: It's pretty fun. It came from the fact you used
Speaker 4: to take pictures of people's fridges. Well, my podcast Greenecks
Speaker 4: and dan Is I interviewed very very very famous celebrities.
Speaker 4: Steve Varnella was a guest, and it's all based on
Speaker 4: a picture of the inside of your fridge, and then
Speaker 4: we go down that rabbit hole of you know, your
Speaker 4: relationship to food. But yeah, I took all these I
Speaker 4: have all these pictures of celebrit these fridges. It's my
Speaker 4: kink and the Food Network saw that and they're like,
Speaker 4: we want to turn this into a show. So it's
Speaker 4: it became a Raid the Fridge, which is a it's
Speaker 4: a food competition show. You got three chefs, they have
Speaker 4: three mystery fridges. They have no idea what's in the fridge.
Speaker 4: They can only choose a fridge based on the pictures
Speaker 4: and the magnets outside. Once they open that fridge, time starts.
Speaker 4: I feel like, well, it is fun, but I am
Speaker 4: also like I love doing it, but I'm also like
Speaker 4: very anti where like food TV has gone. I feel
Speaker 4: like it's just become these very aggressive competition shows that
Speaker 4: are aggressive. Like I loved when we were younger, and
Speaker 4: it was just like the Food Network was like a
Speaker 4: nice person inviting you into their kitchen to show you
Speaker 4: how to cook something.
Speaker 2: Are you talking on the place where you work right now?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am right now.
Speaker 2: That's bold.
Speaker 4: But now everything is like it's like you come back
Speaker 4: from the commercial break with like heavy metal. It's like,
Speaker 4: welcome back to kitchen genocide, death battle Roy. Yeah, Mary
Speaker 4: just got sent home because there pot pie tasted like
Speaker 4: sweaty dick.
Speaker 2: It's like, what's happening? What happened? Food Network?
Speaker 4: Leaving our roommating two contestants. For your final challenge, you
Speaker 4: will give given a rabbit, a hammer, and three springs
Speaker 4: of dill. You've got ten minutes to make dessert. Time
Speaker 4: starts as soon as I slaughter this lamb. It's like, what, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gone too aggressive, man.
Speaker 1: Well my understanding, yeah, you just prayed a pretty graphic picture.
Speaker 1: My understanding is food Network. This blew my mind. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can correct me. MI understanding is that Food Network
Speaker 1: will not allow a head to be on a fish.
Speaker 2: Really. Oh, I have no idea, just learn that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, half the restaurants in New
Speaker 1: York you can get a fish with a head on it.
Speaker 2: Wait, is that true? That's what I heard you.
Speaker 4: I am going to call my buddy who's in charge
Speaker 4: of all the food of Food network on smartphone right now.
Speaker 3: I heard that you can't use the barber hook on
Speaker 3: the Bighorn River.
Speaker 2: It's illegal.
Speaker 1: I've just I heard this on very from a very
Speaker 1: good source that there you will not find a fish's
Speaker 1: head on that network. You cannot do whole fried thie fish.
Speaker 6: I heard you can't have Wow, it's exciting podcast and
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Speaker 2: You're going to get wasted and cut yourself.
Speaker 3: As as happens.
Speaker 2: And is this suspense killing you like it's killing me.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to answer because most people don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know why, because you're like I have a
Speaker 6: very good friend.
Speaker 1: It's like ten times that I try to call my wife,
Speaker 1: she'll answer one time.
Speaker 5: Well that's not a good things.
Speaker 2: Oh man, all right.
Speaker 4: No, no head's on fish, No heads on fish. I
Speaker 4: don't that's crazy. If that's true. I'm a huge I
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys know this about it.
Speaker 2: Let's do the fish head. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go with just one of these fridges,
Speaker 1: put a fish with the head on it and see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like we've had some gnarly stuff
Speaker 4: on there. I can't imagine a fishhead being that.
Speaker 2: No head's on fish.
Speaker 5: Didn't you get thrown in Instagram jail for showing a
Speaker 5: picture of a valid king salmon one time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I forgot about that.
Speaker 5: That's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So, okay, talk me about the book. Did you do
Speaker 2: your own audiobook?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Did your own read? I did, and it was very
Speaker 2: It was an awful experience. Plug the book a little bit.
Speaker 4: Okay, So the book is undercooked. You can get it
Speaker 4: anywhere you get books. It's an Amazon bestseller right now
Speaker 4: in the category of books by Dana Dude, and it
Speaker 4: is killing it.
Speaker 3: It is uh.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's a comedic food memoir standalone chapters, each of them
Speaker 4: about food, but they're also funny and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of heart, and there's also a bunch of hunting chapters which.
Speaker 2: They tried to come down. The man tried to come
Speaker 2: down on you about hunt.
Speaker 4: The man tried to come down and they wanted to.
Speaker 4: They're like, you need to take out one of these
Speaker 4: hunting chapters. You've got too much hunting. When what's their
Speaker 4: argument because they were like, it's a food book and
Speaker 4: people want to buy a food book.
Speaker 2: They don't want to hear about you going hunting.
Speaker 3: Because the two are like not related.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I fought and I kept I kept a.
Speaker 5: Tense fight, like words exchanged.
Speaker 4: You know, there was It's very interesting when you write
Speaker 4: a book, you have to it's it's very like pick
Speaker 4: your battles on what you're gonna put in and what
Speaker 4: you're not going to put in. So, uh, for example,
Speaker 4: I there was a line in it about Anthony Bourdain
Speaker 4: committing suicide, and they were like, you can't say committing
Speaker 4: suicide he died by suicide. You have to write he
Speaker 4: died by suicide. And I was like, walk me through
Speaker 4: that one. So the whole thing about that is that
Speaker 4: suicide is a mental health thing and that it's not
Speaker 4: in your control that.
Speaker 2: You're actually committing. It's happening to you.
Speaker 6: It's sort of it wasn't a question of his commitment.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, which I was like, that feels weird to me,
Speaker 4: and but it didn't feel weird enough where I was
Speaker 4: going to fight for that, so that I wasn't going
Speaker 4: to fight for something else, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it was a lot of that happening where you
Speaker 4: had to pick your battles, and so the hunting one
Speaker 4: was where I kind of stood my ground because it's
Speaker 4: basically the there's a chapter on elk hunting, which is
Speaker 4: basically two chapters in one, and then there's a chapter
Speaker 4: on kosier hunting and then stuff about uh, goose hunting
Speaker 4: in the beginning.
Speaker 3: But you know it's pronounced cows, is it really? No,
Speaker 3: that's not true.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 2: I just looked at Steve. That's not true. The gentleman's
Speaker 2: name was cows.
Speaker 4: Okay, but yeah, so we kept it in so and look,
Speaker 4: I part of my thing, part of the thing with
Speaker 4: this book is that I know that a lot of
Speaker 4: like let's call it coastal elites will be reading this
Speaker 4: because it's like a popular food book and they want
Speaker 4: to read about food. So I think it's exciting to
Speaker 4: kind of flank them with the hunting stuff when they
Speaker 4: don't expect it coming, and I've had so many people
Speaker 4: say to me, I never thought about hunting until I
Speaker 4: read your chapters, and now I could even like entertain
Speaker 4: going on a hunt, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in coastal elites?
Speaker 4: Yes, you do, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Are you one of them?
Speaker 4: I am adjacent. I'm coastal elite adjacent, you know, But
Speaker 4: I mean I live in laing that you.
Speaker 3: Just don't make quite enough money to be an elite
Speaker 3: or I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to I
Speaker 3: don't think it means either.
Speaker 6: Know how to du Pont or Rockefeller or Roosevelt or no.
Speaker 3: I am as kids dudes will be amongst that crowd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not an a dute.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I just feel like there is a group think that
Speaker 4: happens on in the big city group and if you're
Speaker 4: not a part of it, you're kind of excommunicated. So
Speaker 4: even coming on your podcast for the first time was
Speaker 4: like coming out of closet for me in a way.
Speaker 4: Just talking about the fact that I'm a hunter, that
Speaker 4: I own guns was like, you know, I got a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of crap for that within my community,
Speaker 4: and I definitely know, yeah, I mean, I definitely know
Speaker 4: of people who are probably won't say it outright, but
Speaker 4: you definitely know that's the reason that you're not hanging
Speaker 4: out as much. It's I'm telling you, it's a thing.
Speaker 4: It's a thing in LA and New York, and that's
Speaker 4: a good.
Speaker 5: Way to just like, you know, skim the scum off
Speaker 5: the top anyway.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean I think so, But it's it is,
Speaker 4: especially when you're entertainment. Though in entertainment it's even another
Speaker 4: level of you know, you gotta watch what you do
Speaker 4: and watch it.
Speaker 7: I was very excited and surprised to hear you name
Speaker 7: drop meat Eater on Comedy Bang Bang this Week, which
Speaker 7: is one of my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the first time you guys have been
Speaker 4: mentioned on Comedy Bank, the most the most like nerdy
Speaker 4: comedy podcast in the country. But yeah, look this is
Speaker 4: But I think this is why this book is interesting
Speaker 4: is because I'm I've always kind of straddled those two
Speaker 4: places of like, I love fine dining, I love good food,
Speaker 4: I love going to great restaurants, but then like I
Speaker 4: love going hunting and I love getting dirty and doing
Speaker 4: those things as well. So I can't tell you how
Speaker 4: many times I've had to explain to people the fact
Speaker 4: that hunters give more money to conservation than all conservation
Speaker 4: you know, environmental groups combined. And this is a fact
Speaker 4: that I got from you, which.
Speaker 2: I keep well. And that's a bold statement. I mean
Speaker 2: it is. I wouldn't put that that way.
Speaker 4: Why not with the what is that law? That the
Speaker 4: money from the AMMO and the money from.
Speaker 2: The A lot. But you're just using very broad strokes.
Speaker 4: You told me to say, none, screw those environmental groups.
Speaker 4: We give more money than they ever will. No, it's
Speaker 4: a but here's.
Speaker 1: You're using such broad strokes that you get into hard definitional.
Speaker 5: Easy to poke holes in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the hard definition. But here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Most people wouldn't even know that that hunters give a
Speaker 4: dollar to conservation.
Speaker 2: That's very true.
Speaker 4: So even opening their eyes to that, I think, is
Speaker 4: that that's the best place I think to start the conversation.
Speaker 1: There was recently an op ed I think it was
Speaker 1: in the New York Times, and it was arguing that
Speaker 1: they don't like the Pittman. This guy was saying, I
Speaker 1: don't like the Pittman robertson money for conservation. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: go to conservation because it's blood money, meaning he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to. He doesn't think that gun and AMMO money
Speaker 1: has a place in wildlife conservation because it's wildlife conservation
Speaker 1: taking blood money.
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of a that it's that argument
Speaker 4: about and correct me if I'm wrong here, But a
Speaker 4: lot of the big game hunting in Africa, like where
Speaker 4: you want to kill a line or something, you have
Speaker 4: to pay like a couple hundred thousand dollars to do that,
Speaker 4: and then doesn't most of that money go to conservation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some guys coming in pretty soon. There
Speaker 1: are subject matter experts on that. We tried it before
Speaker 1: with someone.
Speaker 8: Roger Hurt and Morgan, I don't know, as like Potter.
Speaker 2: There you go, they're all super excited about that. Well, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: I said I was having some Tanzanians over for dinner.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me that didn't First of all,
Speaker 4: if you said that to him, how could he ever
Speaker 4: forget that? Remember I said of having some Tanzanians over
Speaker 4: for dinner? I mean, yeah, So it's like the optics
Speaker 4: of that, I understand for a non hunter are really awful, right,
Speaker 4: But it still kind of makes sense, especially if in
Speaker 4: places where they're not going to get anywhere near that
Speaker 4: amount of conservation money.
Speaker 2: But you you haven't. Has your career suffered at all?
Speaker 2: Like did you feel like you lost out on jobs
Speaker 2: or lost out on gigs or anything. I don't use
Speaker 2: the word gigs. Yes, you can, you can. We're back
Speaker 2: in the eighties.
Speaker 6: Everyone, Yeah, and refer to it as the biz.
Speaker 2: Please let me tell you about the biz. Look.
Speaker 4: I think that it kind of it probably even out
Speaker 4: the amount of fans that I lost because of that
Speaker 4: I gained on the other side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I feel like, especially like with this book. This
Speaker 4: book is kind of it's something that I don't think
Speaker 4: anyone else could really write because I do have a
Speaker 4: weird skill set of I don't think that there's any
Speaker 4: comedian hunter, foodies who kind of who do all those
Speaker 4: three things. I think it's like.
Speaker 3: I know one guy, the simple comedian, hunter, foody. Who
Speaker 3: do you got the one guy that does podcast too pretty?
Speaker 3: He's got a pretty big one, I don't think, but
Speaker 3: the thing doesn't quite qualify as foody. But he likes
Speaker 3: to take pictures of his food and post it to Instagram.
Speaker 2: He does like to take pictures of his food.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I've interned in Michelin Star kitchens, you know,
Speaker 4: like I've worked in restaurants. I've I'm getting wine certification
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: Take that, Rogan. Take that.
Speaker 3: I like you. I like you where you're coming from.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, I think mixing those three things
Speaker 4: is something that that having come out of the closet
Speaker 4: with hunting is what gave me that special skill set
Speaker 4: that I think got me a book deal that was
Speaker 4: able to get. If I was just like, I'm a
Speaker 4: guy who loves food and I'm funny, I don't think
Speaker 4: I would have gotten a book deal. I think it was. Oh,
Speaker 4: this is interesting because he's got all these different weird
Speaker 4: ways of coming about food.
Speaker 6: I find it very interesting that the people in food
Speaker 6: circles have such a wild and wide diet, whereas if
Speaker 6: you're coming from like real rural America, like deep hunting culture,
Speaker 6: it's not it's like very meat and potatoes, right, And
Speaker 6: it's those people who are like, ooh, I'm not sure
Speaker 6: if I'd eat that, whereas I, you know, I just
Speaker 6: cooked a bunch of Canada goose for some folks that
Speaker 6: are not in the hunting circles at all, very removed
Speaker 6: from it, and there was I would say, far less
Speaker 6: hesitation to eating Canada goose on my table. As if
Speaker 6: I would have put even this group of hunters in
Speaker 6: this room down at the table and be like, really,
Speaker 6: Canada goose, you'd be like really, it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: bringing a bunch of spoon.
Speaker 3: Bills to Hawaii, but you know, like you get fence.
Speaker 3: Did you do that? I did that? Yeah twice.
Speaker 2: Now it's like, oh, you brought the scrap ducks. Huh.
Speaker 6: But that always strikes me as as very odd. Right,
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, you'll eat you know, lamb liver and
Speaker 6: rabbits and ducks and eels and you know, over one
Speaker 6: sitting at some fine dining establishment. And then this idea
Speaker 6: of only good money, only pure money, can go to
Speaker 6: pure causes, right when we all know that people are
Speaker 6: just a bunch of freaks and what they do in
Speaker 6: their own homes when people aren't watching like that, then
Speaker 6: being like, oh but we can't have your money because
Speaker 6: of this, right, It's like it's just I mean, it's
Speaker 6: such a just a bizarre this wizar.
Speaker 4: This expression is so tired now, but it's like it's
Speaker 4: virtue signaling, right. It's like they know that it's hypocritical
Speaker 4: to say that because the money that goes into you know,
Speaker 4: they're fine to eat a steak at a restaurant that
Speaker 4: God knows how that poor thing was raised. But then
Speaker 4: this is blood money going into hunting. And in fact,
Speaker 4: I think hunters in a lot of ways are way
Speaker 4: bigger foodies than pretentious foodies are, because like you're saying,
Speaker 4: like you guys were just making a joke about knowing
Speaker 4: the nuances of different species of duck and how they taste.
Speaker 4: I don't think most people would know, like, oh, this
Speaker 4: lamb that I'm eating was from an older animal or
Speaker 4: a younger animal, or it was you know, it was
Speaker 4: killed in this season, or they don't know anything about that.
Speaker 4: You know, you maybe you'll have different grades like a
Speaker 4: five wagoo versus you know, choice or prime. But in
Speaker 4: terms of this stuff that you guys are like students
Speaker 4: of I think it's way more interesting and nuanced in
Speaker 4: terms of like, oh, I can tell what the diet
Speaker 4: of this animal was based on how it tastes. Like
Speaker 4: that to me seems way more advanced foody than like, oh,
Speaker 4: I just had a five hundred dollars meal at the
Speaker 4: French laundry where you just are like showing, you know,
Speaker 4: you're just going and spending a lot of money and
Speaker 4: having them talk to you about what farm this animal
Speaker 4: was was, you.
Speaker 6: Know what they would wouldn't talk about. We shot a
Speaker 6: turkey this year in Hawaii that its crop was the
Speaker 6: most full crop I've ever seen, and I take them
Speaker 6: all out right, So it's the top end of the
Speaker 6: digestive system for for a turkey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got all the rocks and.
Speaker 6: That's the next stage, right, Sorry, but the crops like
Speaker 6: this great little balloon, it's just a grocery bag, yeah, basically. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and uh and it's always super interesting to see what's
Speaker 6: in there. Well, we pull this prop out and it
Speaker 6: is it's enormous to begin with, but it is chalk
Speaker 6: full with absolutely nothing but maggots.
Speaker 2: Oh he hit the magot, you know you'd get I
Speaker 2: guarantee you as a dead rotten hog.
Speaker 6: No, so, okay, I know I know exactly what it
Speaker 6: was because you could smell it, and I had asked
Speaker 6: about it, and they agriculture operation they had brought in
Speaker 6: a huge load of fish and they had actually they
Speaker 6: actually have like a giant compost pile that they had
Speaker 6: stirred up with this fish to make their own awesome
Speaker 6: super compost. Well, all that fish had been fermenting, and
Speaker 6: the maggots were wriggling out, and so all these birds
Speaker 6: and mongooses and all this stuff was on top of
Speaker 6: that compost pile, and unbeknownst to us, this turkey, of
Speaker 6: course was there doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: But chalk full right, And.
Speaker 2: So did the maggots smell like rottenfish?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 6: I was like, this is unbelievable. They were not. Your
Speaker 6: brain wanted wanted that so badly that you had to
Speaker 6: look at it multiple times. I just want to connect,
Speaker 6: but you're mad or your your fancy restaurant guy is
Speaker 6: not going to be like now, this particular turkey came
Speaker 6: came off the big island.
Speaker 2: They sit down, they sit down. So what I have today,
Speaker 2: that's what we have today, is this poach turkey breast.
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I call you the maggot stuffed?
Speaker 2: Maggot stuffed?
Speaker 5: He was on a high protein diet, but the blood
Speaker 5: money thing wasn't necessarily tied to hunting.
Speaker 2: I don't know yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't fully explain
Speaker 2: that that was the argument tied to gun violence. By
Speaker 2: the way, I love that.
Speaker 4: I spent all this time trying to tell people about
Speaker 4: how hunters are the real foodies and they're the ones,
Speaker 4: and then you start and it was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna tell you about how that's a
Speaker 1: great insight you had. And I wasn't counting a lot
Speaker 1: of the knowledge that people have as food knowledge. I
Speaker 1: was counting it as animal knowledge.
Speaker 2: But if you if.
Speaker 1: You interpret it as food knowledge, and you measure information
Speaker 1: in bits as they do, you're right. Hunters have an
Speaker 1: enormous amount of bits of food knowledge that they think
Speaker 1: is about animals, meaning that cart right have big ribs,
Speaker 1: okay or whatever, tastes not always the best. I'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: that's stuff about fish. You'd be like that' stuff about food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's a foodie.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They when they see a dozen kinds of fish, they're
Speaker 1: seeing all this food information. That one's pretty good, that
Speaker 1: one you gotta fry forever, that one you gotta get
Speaker 1: all fat off, that one is better this time of
Speaker 1: year than that time of year. That one don't eat raw.
Speaker 1: You'll get sick right.
Speaker 8: Even through the butchery phase, like how you need to
Speaker 8: filet that fish to get the bones out, how you
Speaker 8: need what's edible? What's not?
Speaker 4: More advanced foodie than like anything you could learn in
Speaker 4: culinary school.
Speaker 2: Now I'm sorting to think hunters are all snobs.
Speaker 3: Species, those coastal elite.
Speaker 2: Bread elites, you landlocked elites.
Speaker 5: Dan like's being grossed out. Tell them about those ducks
Speaker 5: you shot this year, the ones that were.
Speaker 3: Oh they had rice breast.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, the ones that were eating that cow pasture.
Speaker 3: Oh well there was one and the same Yeah, rice
Speaker 3: braass is it'll kind of it'll gross you out a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: But if you don't like scatological why is this turning
Speaker 4: into gross out?
Speaker 3: I don't know. They were just rooting around, as a
Speaker 3: lot of animals and birds do. They were rooting around
Speaker 3: in a cow pasture feeding, And every dock that we
Speaker 3: shot had just a little splotch of cow poop on
Speaker 3: it's the top of it.
Speaker 2: Oh they had been coming from one of those places. Yeah, cool,
Speaker 2: So tell us what else you got going. I got
Speaker 2: the question for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're doing do you have a hunting do
Speaker 1: you do you do hunting bits. Do you roll hunting
Speaker 1: bits into your stand up?
Speaker 4: I've done hunting bits in my stand up, yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's always a weird reaction.
Speaker 2: Doesn't It doesn't work?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should do what do one in Billings?
Speaker 2: You'd be fine?
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy? By the way, So I can't.
Speaker 4: I got to Bozeman and I, uh, you know, do
Speaker 4: you guys have a comedy club here? And I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to be the cool LA
Speaker 4: comic who comes to the little comedy everybody.
Speaker 2: Pops in, pops in really impresses, you know.
Speaker 4: They go, oh wow, we got this big time LA
Speaker 4: comic coming into town.
Speaker 2: So I I.
Speaker 4: DM them and I'm like, hey, guys, I'm in Bozeman
Speaker 4: wondering if I can get up while I'm here.
Speaker 2: Like who They go, Yeah, Tuesday nights we have our
Speaker 2: open mic. Uh.
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm just going to hike instead.
Speaker 2: If I could have gone down and wash you get up,
Speaker 2: do your.
Speaker 8: Business a little bit behind.
Speaker 3: What the hell's the comedy club? I don't know the
Speaker 3: place last, best place.
Speaker 2: Comedy last that's involved in that outfit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wouldn't have been the one that got
Speaker 4: that d m oh, I don't know, but I mean, look,
Speaker 4: it's fine.
Speaker 2: They have an open mic night.
Speaker 4: I don't want to perform in an open because then
Speaker 4: you're just performing for other comics.
Speaker 1: And there had more fun going down there man watching
Speaker 1: that we would have got me. I would have said,
Speaker 1: I'd like an old duels and a big old thing
Speaker 1: of bloody merry mix.
Speaker 2: Man, go down there the hell good time.
Speaker 3: Can you give us a summary of another chapter, fun
Speaker 3: chapter that you really enjoyed?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the chapter that I'm like, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: kind of surprised that I haven't gotten called out on.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I should even talk about it
Speaker 4: on the air.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, it's in the book.
Speaker 2: You're afraid to get into something you just published.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm afraid on this podcast because I kind of like,
Speaker 4: because our listeners vulnerable, vulnerable, this is my truth. I'm
Speaker 4: speaking my truth.
Speaker 2: He whispered to me first, because you get me nervous.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say it.
Speaker 4: Was like, I there's a there's there's an allegedly of
Speaker 4: a small chance that I kind of maybe started a tiny,
Speaker 4: very small forest fire.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fine, okay, cool joined the clubs like doing
Speaker 2: something dumb with fire. You've been.
Speaker 3: Support it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know many people with a straight
Speaker 1: face that would tell you they haven't done.
Speaker 2: Like some really stupid fire stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feel I was holding that. I
Speaker 4: thought the cops were just waiting for me outside here.
Speaker 4: I thought this was like a whole big sting operation.
Speaker 5: Well, as long as it didn't turn into a fire
Speaker 5: that burned one hundred thousand acres.
Speaker 2: You know, have you guys heard of Paradise?
Speaker 4: What is Paradise City? By Paradise City guns and rollses. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I forgot that was a huge forest fire. I'm making
Speaker 4: a bad joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that was me. That was
Speaker 3: not it.
Speaker 2: No, No, I was no.
Speaker 4: But I went I went el hunting in New Mexico.
Speaker 4: And I got there and I I went to the
Speaker 4: you guys, you guys know what a ship tent is.
Speaker 4: I can tell you what a ship tent is. This
Speaker 4: is a safe space. It was like a little tiny
Speaker 4: tepee you where you go with a bucket in it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I'm not good at that stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: hold my hold it in for a week. I'll be fine, like.
Speaker 2: A Latvian plug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a Latvian plug. And it was so awfully
Speaker 4: disgusting anyway.
Speaker 2: Hunt holding it in that long was no. I went three,
Speaker 2: So I go three days held in fine.
Speaker 4: Because you don't want to go in a bucket. It
Speaker 4: was not the bucket it was. It was not the bucket, guys.
Speaker 4: It hadn't been changed that. It was the stalactites and
Speaker 4: stalagmites of poop on the bag.
Speaker 2: They're not swapping bags out.
Speaker 3: So you weren't allowed just to go out into the
Speaker 3: woods and dig a hole.
Speaker 4: I would have I would have been fine with that.
Speaker 4: It seemed like that was frowned upon at our elk camp.
Speaker 2: It was illegal. Okay, why it was illegal. But the
Speaker 2: day that I.
Speaker 4: The the night before I got my elk, we were
Speaker 4: all outside, uh and uh. Some of my friends went
Speaker 4: to my buddy Mow went to go make a phone
Speaker 4: call at an area called the phone booth, which is
Speaker 4: just like a little piece of land.
Speaker 2: That has reception. You got to like hike out to it.
Speaker 4: And so me and Churchie the outfitter, he was like,
Speaker 4: let's go play a prank on on Mo and my son,
Speaker 4: and we took the car and went to the phone booth. So,
Speaker 4: you know, haha, they could have gotten a ride, but
Speaker 4: instead we drove over there. I smoke a cigar up
Speaker 4: there while I'm.
Speaker 1: On my foe back up for a second. Sure, they
Speaker 1: walk to call make a phone call. And the joke
Speaker 1: is that you drove there. Listen, not all hunters are funny.
Speaker 1: Churchy thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: He's an old man.
Speaker 2: He's like an old man. He's like, let's go do this, Joe.
Speaker 4: Comedy is hard, Yeah, comedy is hard, but let's go.
Speaker 2: So we do that.
Speaker 4: I smoke a cigar up there, and I hand to god,
Speaker 4: I put this. I put a rock on top, I squeezed,
Speaker 4: I made sure it was out. When it was out,
Speaker 4: and uh, next morning we go out go hunting. I
Speaker 4: get my elk amazing. We get back to camp, I
Speaker 4: go to take a nap and I wake up to
Speaker 4: Mow and he's like, dude, did you put your cigar
Speaker 4: out last at the phone booth yesterday? I was like yeah, why.
Speaker 4: He's like that hillside is like on fire right now.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the hell are you talking about.
Speaker 4: He's like, there's a hillside on fire, exactly where the
Speaker 4: phone booth was. I was like, dude, I put the
Speaker 4: cigar out, and then like all the other hunters come in.
Speaker 4: There was like five of us, and they're like, did
Speaker 4: you smoke a cigar?
Speaker 2: And then I'm just like, I put it out.
Speaker 4: I sort of got it, put it out, and then
Speaker 4: we hear a car coming our way and you know,
Speaker 4: there's no cars at all there, and we hear a
Speaker 4: car coming our way and we're freaking out, and I
Speaker 4: start freaking out and suddenly my inside start turning, and
Speaker 4: I'd run to the ship tent to hide in the
Speaker 4: shit tent because I think the cops are coming and
Speaker 4: I'm going.
Speaker 5: And they'd never think to look for you there.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't be in there.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like that tent.
Speaker 3: Your insides turning have nothing to do with the plug.
Speaker 2: It was. It was a it was a twofer.
Speaker 4: I had to go and release myself and also to
Speaker 4: hide from the cops. So I released myself and I know,
Speaker 4: you go in there because you don't like it there
Speaker 4: right exactly, So I just stayed in there.
Speaker 3: It'll still like, this is this is my punishment?
Speaker 5: Where could he have gone?
Speaker 4: Guys, I thought I was gonna go to jail, and
Speaker 4: I was freaking out. So I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna hide where I would have gotten
Speaker 4: into that goddamn bucket if I needed to.
Speaker 8: We'd have another oh on the podcast experience.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it was another hunter. It wasn't the cops, but
Speaker 4: we ended up they ended up putting the fire out.
Speaker 4: And then, like an idiot who's like, you know, going
Speaker 4: to the scene of the crime, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, let's go up there see let's see what this fire.
Speaker 2: Let's see what it looked like, what this thing was.
Speaker 4: So we go up there and there's a firefighter there
Speaker 4: and I start talking to him. It's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: not a big deal. We do controlled burns that are
Speaker 4: that are bigger than this. I'm like, yeah, so where
Speaker 4: what do you think happened? Like was it a He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: and we know exactly what happened. And there was like
Speaker 4: an X made with axes like where they thought it started.
Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, it was it was around here,
Speaker 4: And like I start walking towards there and like my
Speaker 4: phone reception starts coming on and it was like clearly
Speaker 4: the phone booth area. It was like, I mean, well,
Speaker 4: according to Crown Publishing lawyers, allegedly, we have no evidence
Speaker 4: of that. But the funny part was I took that
Speaker 4: chapter and I asked you for a recommendation for someone
Speaker 4: to like edit my hunting chapters because because I didn't
Speaker 4: want like, you know, facts in there that were off
Speaker 4: about like public land hunts or whatever. And this dude,
Speaker 4: who was a great guy, he called me. He's like,
Speaker 4: you sure you want to publish this.
Speaker 2: My buddy? Yeah? And I was like yeah, He's like
Speaker 2: all right, good luck, buddy.
Speaker 4: So but uh yeah, it was Uh I learned I'm
Speaker 4: never going to smoke a cigar when I go hunting ever.
Speaker 2: Again. What kind of cigar was it? Backwards King Eddie?
Speaker 2: It was a nice cigar.
Speaker 4: I wish it was not a Swisher. It was a
Speaker 4: something called a Rows of Sharon. Are you familiar with
Speaker 4: a cigar company?
Speaker 3: You can probably just get that in New York or LA.
Speaker 4: No, they're they're made in Texas, Texas cigar made by Vets.
Speaker 2: Well made by vets.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 5: It might be worse than going in the ship tent.
Speaker 2: What's that is?
Speaker 5: Going on the can in a jail cell?
Speaker 2: I am scared. I'm still scared.
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to jail, especially now that I
Speaker 4: said this on there, because I'm sure you've got a
Speaker 4: bunch of guys who listened to the podcast, who have
Speaker 4: like ham radios, who are like, we've.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of we've got a lot of people
Speaker 1: involved in the forest fire fighting, Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people involved law enforcement?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, And where those two areas meet, that intersection
Speaker 2: of law enforcement and forest fire fighting represented.
Speaker 3: If you had just said, you know what, I couldn't
Speaker 3: control and went out and just took a big old
Speaker 3: dump on the surface of the w and left it
Speaker 3: with my toilet paper.
Speaker 2: Toilet paper blowing in the wind.
Speaker 1: I watched a guy with a spot and sculpe one time,
Speaker 1: me and Helen cho watched the guy. Watched the guy
Speaker 1: with the spot and sculpe one time going down a trail?
Speaker 2: Is that? Who else with? Sorry? Was that with Brittany
Speaker 2: going down a trail? He stops. I'm not kidding, man.
Speaker 1: He stops one hundred yards shy of his truck and
Speaker 1: drops the deuce at the sick stops on the side
Speaker 1: of the trail, drops the deuce, cleans himself up and
Speaker 1: proceeds along his way, with the wind carrying strands of
Speaker 1: toilet paper off through the sagebrush, not even so much
Speaker 1: as a cat scratch back in the direction, not so
Speaker 1: much as even like flicking a little dirt.
Speaker 2: Wow. It sounded very poetic though, the way that I
Speaker 2: wish I had had my all in camera dafter around there.
Speaker 1: And filmed them and put it up on social media
Speaker 1: with one of those like do you know this guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even you bury your okay, you bury
Speaker 4: your toilet paper, it's still like, I feel like it
Speaker 4: never really biodegrades. How many time you've been to campsites
Speaker 4: and there's just like toilet paper like like just like
Speaker 4: sticking out of the grass ground always.
Speaker 2: Why does that stuff not biodegrade?
Speaker 1: Why do people who walk their dogs bag the dog
Speaker 1: excrement in a plastic bag, tie in and not set
Speaker 1: it next to the trail and leave it there as
Speaker 1: though that's better.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they say that that that I had a
Speaker 4: friend of it a touch like, yeah, it's biodegradable.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that plastic bag is there.
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna get it later, is what they say themselves.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've carried a lot of a lot of both
Speaker 6: of these subject matters out of the out of the woods,
Speaker 6: fucking horrible, horrible. But it's just it's my dislike of
Speaker 6: p well in general that fuels my picking up after them.
Speaker 3: It's a very paradox, will clean up.
Speaker 2: Traces of them. Yeah, like they weren't there. Wait, so
Speaker 2: you'll take other people's toilet paper and take it.
Speaker 4: Out of the woods.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Wow, that's commitment is a powerful motivator.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It's like when they're doing a State of the Union,
Speaker 2: they should have cal stand up. You know, people come
Speaker 2: down there like and this man picks up other people's excrement,
Speaker 2: cal like, stand up bull.
Speaker 3: The Chambers would give.
Speaker 2: Him a medal if I was president, it'd be the
Speaker 2: only person I named. Check would be call for that.
Speaker 6: Imagine will check this out the situation where you, as
Speaker 6: a hunter would be like that is a poor representation
Speaker 6: of hunters, right, those situations.
Speaker 5: Or outdoor folks in general.
Speaker 6: Right, And it's the and then I'm always traveling around
Speaker 6: with dogs at this point, and yeah, so I pack
Speaker 6: out a lot of a lot of those dog shit
Speaker 6: bags where I'm like, this is just.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with just what's what's wrong with leaving dog
Speaker 4: shit out in the woods.
Speaker 6: So if it's dispersed, like actually truly dispersed, nothing, I
Speaker 6: leave my shit out in the woods.
Speaker 2: If it's if it's thirty piles at the trailhead, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a problem.
Speaker 3: That's a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of interesting studies too, just like
Speaker 6: with you're familiar with, like human waste and undigested opioids
Speaker 6: and pills and stuff like that. Right, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of studies that show, like dog feces in waterways have
Speaker 6: serious impacts downstream as far as like sterilization of streams
Speaker 6: or promotion of like big algae blooms and things like that.
Speaker 1: Do you do I need a smear dog shit all
Speaker 1: over your little cast boot there to if I fit in,
Speaker 1: to find out why you don't like it.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. This is where the conversation has gone.
Speaker 4: I do not feel like.
Speaker 2: You're arguing in favor of it started.
Speaker 5: It started with a ship.
Speaker 2: Ten.
Speaker 4: I think wolves should be able to ship wherever the
Speaker 4: hell they want, and no one should be able to
Speaker 4: pick up that ship.
Speaker 6: Wolves do ship wherever they want. They mark their territory
Speaker 6: that way. And if you if you're into picking up
Speaker 6: shd antlers, they will ship on a moose antler, like
Speaker 6: a beautiful moose antler.
Speaker 3: They'll ship right on.
Speaker 6: Top of it, as if to say, like, I know
Speaker 6: other things want this, Like you know, dogs love to
Speaker 6: chew on them, Wolves love to chew on Kyos love
Speaker 6: to chew on it, and they will ship right on
Speaker 6: top of that moose antler.
Speaker 1: Author of Undercooked, available everywhere books are sold. We're gonna
Speaker 1: play trivia.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you feel that at the connect?
Speaker 1: At what question do you feel that Phil will inform
Speaker 1: you that you're out of the game.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm actually gonna do a lot better than you
Speaker 4: think a question.
Speaker 2: You don't think Phil will say Dan's out?
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I think that as I a lot of weird no
Speaker 3: his cross section of where he's found himself, comedy hunting,
Speaker 3: what was the third one food food?
Speaker 5: I think we should say conversation for trivia and let
Speaker 5: Dan plug his book a little bit.
Speaker 2: Before I plug my book.
Speaker 4: I just want to say to all the cops and
Speaker 4: firefighters listening right now, I am a huge fan of
Speaker 4: law enforcement. You know how many tickets I've gotten out
Speaker 4: of because of Cobra Kai. There a lot of cops
Speaker 4: love Cobra Kai, and I've gotten out of about eight tickets.
Speaker 4: They'll be like from Cora, yeah or I they they
Speaker 4: they will know, but or sometimes like during in the
Speaker 4: beginning of the pandemic, like you have you.
Speaker 3: On your dad, the picture of.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's my that's my past for the ober Kai set,
Speaker 2: Oh here's my Driver's like a bunch of wallet sized headshots,
Speaker 2: just pour out of it all. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, cops love Cobra Kai and I love cops, so
Speaker 4: please don't arrest me.
Speaker 2: Plug the book one more time.
Speaker 4: Undercooked, How I lit food become my life navigator and
Speaker 4: how maybe that's a dumb way to live. You can
Speaker 4: get the book wherever you can. You want your books.
Speaker 4: The audiobook is great. I did the reading of it.
Speaker 4: It's very fun. Do fun voices, a little more fun
Speaker 4: with delivery and whatnot. But yeah, people are loving the book.
Speaker 4: I hope you do. Two very funny standalone essays. I'm
Speaker 4: being called I'm being called the David Sedaris of food writing.
Speaker 2: WHOA bye my mother? So yeah, no, I help you
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I think I think I would love for the hunting
Speaker 4: community to read this book.
Speaker 2: I really think they'd love it, have I told my
Speaker 2: funny David Sadaras story thinks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought we were going to maybe linger
Speaker 3: on dam finally.
Speaker 8: But wow, it's it's beautifully done.
Speaker 2: It's raw.
Speaker 8: I laughed so like, just within the first few pages.
Speaker 8: I probably laughed two dozen times. You're uh. He says
Speaker 8: that footnotes are his love language, which I find hilarious.
Speaker 8: So it's like peppered with little hilarious footnotes. It's it's surprising,
Speaker 8: it's beautifully done, and is what's revealed is your original
Speaker 8: kind of very early connection to food, which is a
Speaker 8: very sad and touching story. And yeah, I mean I
Speaker 8: just I love I love your book.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Karen the David Saris of food writing.
Speaker 5: Wow, you might be you know, Steve's reading his own
Speaker 5: audio books now, might be able to give him a
Speaker 5: few pointers on spruce things up a bit.
Speaker 4: I will say with my book, it's like a very
Speaker 4: like vulnerable, raw book. And I'm like reading these like
Speaker 4: passages that I would be speaking to like a therapist about,
Speaker 4: but instead there's just like a sound engineer, like some
Speaker 4: weirdo sound engineer on the other side of the glass.
Speaker 2: Who was like, Dan, I think you're crying. Can you stop?
Speaker 3: Take that again? Why are you crying?
Speaker 2: We can hear it, we can hear the crying. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Just give me a minute.
Speaker 4: But it Yeah, No, I love doing the audiobook. It's
Speaker 4: it's it's a labor of love because it's a lot
Speaker 4: better when you read your own stuff. It's always weird
Speaker 4: when someone else reads your stuff, I feel.
Speaker 6: But I feel like Steve's repertoire for voices is literally
Speaker 6: just high pitch and low pitch and normal.
Speaker 2: That's three. That's three. I mean, you got that's what
Speaker 2: everyone has.
Speaker 7: That's what everyone's got, But he's got a killer Christopher
Speaker 7: walking though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, high pitch, low pitch, normal and Christopher walking right. Well, congratulations,
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, and then again thank you for
Speaker 4: making this happen.
Speaker 1: Well, tell people how to go find all your stuff,
Speaker 1: so if they want to go see you perform, they
Speaker 1: do what.
Speaker 4: You can just find me on Instagram. I post everything
Speaker 4: at Stand Up Dan, Twitter at Stand Up Dan.
Speaker 2: Post all your shows there. Yeah, if they want to
Speaker 2: watch you on TV.
Speaker 4: They need to get Netflix or steal a Netflix password
Speaker 4: from someone you know and watch me on Cobra Kai
Speaker 4: or on Discovery Plus Rate the Fridge. I am in
Speaker 4: a new movie called The Donor Party that is yeah,
Speaker 4: with Malin Akerman and Rob Cordrey.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if I'm in your town, come come see me
Speaker 4: perform at the at an open mic apparently.
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Tuesday night of a mic.
Speaker 3: I just followed you on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Stand up Dan, Stand up Dan?
Speaker 4: Undercooked? Undercooked is the book anywhere books are sold? Yeah,
Speaker 4: anywhe books are sold.
Speaker 1: Now if everyone listened, everyone just buys on Amazon. The
Speaker 1: New York Times will bone you on the list because
Speaker 1: they don't they it's it's it's a long story.
Speaker 3: I know, but in the category books by Dana Duke.
Speaker 2: It will still kick some ass. Yeah, they will. Thanks
Speaker 2: for coming on, man, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: You should host a hunting show with the rest of
Speaker 8: the folks who blurbed your book on the back. Phil Rosenthal,
Speaker 8: Hassan Minaj, Jimmy O Yang. I think that would be
Speaker 8: an all star team that would be hunters in the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and stay tuned for trivia. On question eight, Phil
Speaker 1: will say and Dana's audio running.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm knocking it down, dude. You're like competition, zerial confidence.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm just playing.
Speaker 2: I'm already playing.
Speaker 9: Right, Oh seal great shine like silvering the sun.
Speaker 2: Right, ride on alone, sweetheart.
Speaker 10: We're done beat this damp horse to death, So taking
Speaker 10: a new one and ride away. We're done beat this
Speaker 10: damn horse today. M hm, So take a new one
Speaker 10: and ride on.
Speaker 8: H