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Speaker 1: you probably remember us talking about my friend Tommy, known

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Speaker 2: No them on the range, I got mine, suckers. If

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Speaker 2: this is the Meat.

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Speaker 1: Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and

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Speaker 1: in my case, underwear.

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Speaker 2: Listeningcast, you can't predict anything.

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Speaker 1: Presented by first Light, creating proven versatile hunting apparel from

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Speaker 1: go farther, stay longer.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, a dude is back. Add a dude

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Speaker 2: in a boot? What do you got a boot on?

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Speaker 2: I broke my ankle man rollerbladingt No?

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Speaker 3: The next best thing, Steve Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I get no pity or sympathy when I say that

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Speaker 2: No, what do you think is gonna happen?

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Speaker 5: Did you get to ride the cart down the mountain? Y?

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Speaker 4: It you had to feel like such a candy, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a single green. It was a double green.

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Speaker 3: moil is incredible. Nicks Michigan's Thotle, Southern Michigan's little ski

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, hit a little water bottle and knocked you over.

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Speaker 1: To, uh, your fingerprint, that bottle watches that same guy

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Speaker 4: I would counter water bottle goop.

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Speaker 2: I yeah. But then the skip.

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Speaker 4: The nurse thought that it was just bruised. He was like,

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Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, dude, I think it's broke. Let

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Speaker 4: show host, now author.

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Speaker 2: His new book is called Undercooked.

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Speaker 1: He was on a Long Time Ago in an episode

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Speaker 1: called Eating with Your Enemy, the enemy being his friend Moe,

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Speaker 1: where you and a Muslim go hunt. All you gotta

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Speaker 1: do is right the rest of that joke. I finally

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Speaker 1: tell I tell my kids that I was going to

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Speaker 1: teach him all the dirty dirt, the dirty Dan jokes

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Speaker 2: It seemed like a good age for driving. But I

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Speaker 2: told him the don't mess with Uncle Jimmy when he's

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Speaker 2: drinking the other night that went over real, Well, how

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Speaker 2: what is it again?

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Speaker 3: So okay, I don't know anything.

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Speaker 5: Just tells you about okay.

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Speaker 1: When Dirty Dan is, he gets in a lot of

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Speaker 2: in time saves nine, okay, And then you do one

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Speaker 2: But a long joke. It's when you tell the thing.

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Speaker 2: The moral of So what Phil said when Phil said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great story and how they.

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Speaker 1: the world could find a lot of inspiration from this story.

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I got confused.

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Speaker 4: you got you want to interrupt him too? Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 4: this is your show now, Thank you so much. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for thanks for having you. Guys have been great so far.

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Speaker 4: What okay, call me an ignorant and I'm curious about

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Speaker 4: where his story's going. Well, I had Yes, I am

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Speaker 3: I can get there.

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Speaker 2: I thought we got there.

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Speaker 3: There was no punchline yet. I'm curious about it, but

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Speaker 3: Befriended Rob and he was asking about becoming a fly

445
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: fishing guy. And one day he's eddied out and I'm which,

446
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: you know what that means, right, He's pulled off on

447
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: the side of the river and some recriculating water and

448
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm floating by towards the end of the day, and

449
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: we give that how was how was the fishing today?

450
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: Whatever?

451
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: And Rob reaches down between his legs and pulls up

452
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: a stringer and there's a couple of dandies and my

453
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: clients says, are like, hold on what I'm like and

454
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to act, you know, as a fly fishing guy.

455
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that dirty bastard, how could he do?

456
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: You do such a thing? And it was so funny

457
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: that for me, I forgot about it an hour later.

458
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: Rob for years would just be I can't believe I

459
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 3: ever did that, And that was me back then. I

460
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: showed those fish like that to you and I'm so

461
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: sorry and it was the wrong thing to do, and

462
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: oh it was, but yeah, I'll never forget how was

463
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: your day? And he just you know, that was just

464
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 3: something that you didn't You never would look at a

465
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: guy in a driftboat and expect that. Right, he's in

466
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: a raft. How's your day? And he reaches his legs

467
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: and just pulls the string white.

468
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: So okay, so what is I'm assuming it would be

469
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 4: illegal to catch these trout?

470
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: Is that?

471
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 9: What?

472
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: No? What? What is the no?

473
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 4: But then why is it crazy for someone to be like,

474
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: I want to have trout for lunch because of.

475
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 6: It's not the culture and the perception and oftentimes just

476
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 6: what your your guide of the day wants to do. Right,

477
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 6: it's like, well, yeah, we're not going to do that.

478
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 6: We're going to fish this way, and I don't want

479
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 6: to deal with your fish in my cooler, or there's

480
00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 6: idea that you.

481
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: Just I don't want anyone killing him because then I

482
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: can't catch them.

483
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: And there's a culture of catching release associated with trout.

484
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 4: Trout got it in.

485
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: A recent episode four thirty four, name My mule Deer

486
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: can Kick Your White tails ass.

487
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: That was a great title.

488
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: That's a great title.

489
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: I argue with Tony Peterson about whether hunting mule deer

490
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: is better than hunting white tail. Apparently I didn't know

491
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: this till the other day. People have taken Are you

492
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: sure that.

493
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: This is the quote? They're talking about. Yeah, I know

494
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: that I said some stuff on Rogan show.

495
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 5: It modes I I know exactly what this is. People

496
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 5: are doing it all over the place because I took

497
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 5: that little clip from Rogan yep, followed it up with

498
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 5: a picture of a big mule deer buck that I shot.

499
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: That thing has like a million views and and a

500
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: lot of other people started doing it.

501
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 8: Oh, so you mean it's a quote.

502
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: I think it was. It wasn't from when I was

503
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: talking to Tony Peterson. I think it was something from

504
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: one I was talking about.

505
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 8: Like, okay, they may have mistaken that.

506
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: What was the clip?

507
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: What is it?

508
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: Just talking about why I like Muldier?

509
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Like for some reason, if I said to you, like

510
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: if you said, I like, you know, chocolate ice cream

511
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: better than vanilla.

512
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: Ice cream, you know, because I don't know tastes chocolate. Okay,

513
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 4: no one's gonna get pissed.

514
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: But for some reason, if you say that you like

515
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: Muldier a lot better than White Tails people, it's like

516
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: people get mad about it.

517
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand it.

518
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: So casey Uh and Tyler from The Element they say

519
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: it's a real punch below the belt in.

520
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: The Midwest and down South.

521
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: M they like them white Tail Deer as do I

522
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: it's not as much so point being the best argument.

523
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: We have a show with the Element guy. It's called

524
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: buck Truck, which you can go watch on YouTube, and

525
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: they got a Kansas episode up, which is, uh maybe

526
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: the best argument in favor of white Tail. So for

527
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: you're cruising around on YouTube looking for stuff, well, you

528
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: know what, when you watch YouTube these days, I know

529
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: it's like personalized.

530
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Do you always get the guy who's like carbs burn

531
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: fat right, yes? Wrong, yes, sweets burn fat or whatever

532
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: he's talking about. I wonder how that.

533
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 8: Guy how much money they've spent on that time that guy.

534
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: Not only that, but if you now realize that there

535
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: are ads that are basically what you just said, there's

536
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: a dude now that doesn't add that starts off with

537
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: hey are you on YouTube? And you're always getting ads

538
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: from the guy that can tell you this, well, guess

539
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: what his ship's real? Like he's selling it for that guy.

540
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: Like they're just.

541
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: Very metal, it's very meta. They're doubling your head, sits

542
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: on your body right, wrong.

543
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: They haven't got I still can't tell you what they're

544
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: selling or what the what.

545
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: One days on there. Bananas are good? Right, Oh yeah,

546
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: he's got worse. Yeah, he's got five seconds.

547
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, what one of these five foods is tank and

548
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 4: your testosterone?

549
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: Anybody.

550
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 7: I haven't watched it to the end, but I watched

551
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 7: about a minute and a half, in which I never

552
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 7: do because I'm like, let me see where this goes.

553
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 7: And he doesn't pitch anything a product, an idea. He

554
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 7: just keeps going on about carbs and stuff, like, what

555
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 7: are you trying to sell me?

556
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give a dollar to whoever can watch long

557
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: enough to find out which of those foods is killing

558
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: my tea my testosterone.

559
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: It's like bananas. No, but I mean I from.

560
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: Him because I eat all the foods. He's like these

561
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: your head sits on your body?

562
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 8: Right, wrong, it's probably it's probably like the longer you

563
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 8: keep that running, like some hacker somewhere gets all your information.

564
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: Maybe he's making money on the ad, on the ad

565
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: revenue and the actually yeah.

566
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't make money on ads. You spend money.

567
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 6: He's spending of a video that doesn't actually go anywhere,

568
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 6: and it's and you just type in wait till the end, right,

569
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 6: And then finally you're.

570
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: Like well, it's like an old sign in bars to

571
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: say free beer tomorrow.

572
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there's gonna be a few

573
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: folks that write in so answer.

574
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: He does the thing.

575
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're real or not, but

576
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of his ads. Now, I'm just bringing this

577
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: all up because when you go, I'm just preparing you

578
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: from when you go watch the buck Truck by the element.

579
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: You want to watch some sweet white tail videos, you.

580
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: Gont have to wait long enough. You got wait five seconds,

581
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: you can skip it. So I always get five seconds

582
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: of this guy, and a lot of times he's on

583
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: the way they do it. It's like, are the real podcasts?

584
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 2: He's like a podcast guest. So he'll be sitting there

585
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 2: with headphones on talking to some other guy who's got

586
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: headphones on.

587
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like these five soup one of these

588
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: five superfoods isn't a superfood.

589
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: It's lowering your titosterone. Yeah, he and he it's clicking, Wait, damn,

590
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: which one is?

591
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: It's way But then the skip ad comes up and

592
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: I skip. I never found out what the hell's going on.

593
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Then I'm sitting there chilling with the watching buck Truck.

594
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: And wondering the whole time, what was that one food is?

595
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: He like, man, that's a sweet buck, but were the

596
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: same food is killing.

597
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 6: The same dude with the cup coffee? And and he's

598
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 6: like after GM, somebody's like, what the hell is in

599
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 6: your coffee cup? And he's like slinging some kind of

600
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 6: who knows. But I always think at that point, I'm like,

601
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 6: never in a million years would I ever turn to

602
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 6: somebody at the gym and be like, what the hell's

603
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 6: in your car? I'm like, I give a ship, what's

604
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 6: in your coffee cup? Don't talk to me?

605
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: You know it worked.

606
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: Look at how much free advertising we're giving this guy.

607
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: Unclear on what is I'm unclear on what is being sold.

608
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Anyhow, Go to YouTube type in the element buck truck.

609
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: The guy will come on about whatever he's going on about,

610
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: and then you'll get a little bit mildly curious, and

611
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: then skip ad will come up. You'll skip the ad,

612
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: watch buck truck, and then later you can lay in

613
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: bed at night wondering what was it? What you're eating it?

614
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be.

615
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: I think mule deers are better than whitetail.

616
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: No, and yeah, and the Element will make you fall

617
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: in love with white tails all over again. Speaking of

618
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: white tails, Clay had an amazing story about his pet deer,

619
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: and it prompted someone to write in about they had

620
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: a pet deer.

621
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: I mean, they got this deer. It's got a collar.

622
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 8: On, got a dog harness, it's got a.

623
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: Dog harness on.

624
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: They want t shirts.

625
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: They collect all of its sheds over the years. It

626
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: ate its button buck sheds. But the thing I like

627
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: about the thing, the deer ate its own button buck sheds.

628
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: It's like a rabbit eating his own pellets.

629
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: It looks like an awesome place to grow up. I

630
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: like to picture with him. He says, it's his sister,

631
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: but she must be a lot older.

632
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: That's got to be his ma.

633
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: Well, there's three turkeys behind him in that one picture.

634
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: This kid, this guy had a great, great childhood.

635
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: It was a very loving pet deer, he goes on

636
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: to say, and would like to snuggle. But if it

637
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: was the rut, it did not want to snuggle.

638
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: Men, why wouldn't they chop the balls off of the deer?

639
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you why.

640
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

641
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: When he was going bow hunting for deer, he would

642
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: snuggle that deer as cover scent. You weren't here when

643
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: Clay Clay's pet deer. One time, He's sitting in the

644
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: woods and here comes his pet deer with another buck,

645
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: which Clay killed. No, and then his deer came up

646
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: and actually put nuzzled Clay.

647
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: Like it was a Judas deer.

648
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 8: Wow, it's like his new hunting buddy.

649
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: This is the buddy common of the year about Yeah,

650
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: guy and his deer.

651
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: It would lure in. It would lure and de would

652
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: go out and find bucks and bring bucks back to

653
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: Clay for Clay to kill. Come on, let's hang bro,

654
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: you gotta come hang out here. Yeah, that is some.

655
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: That's some like h Rosendale. What was that family? They

656
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: the people we executed the husband and wife? Oh Linnburg

657
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: baby on No the spot, Socco and venz Eddie. Yeah,

658
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: no Rosenbergs or something like that. They're like communists or something.

659
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's an interesting article and I like the story,

660
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: but then it goes goes direction.

661
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy, but where was this? This is oh.

662
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 8: CBC Canadian Broadcasting.

663
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: British Columbia.

664
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Prince George, British Columbia. Man driving down the road and

665
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: got concussed by a ruffed grouse that came blasting through

666
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: his virtually open window, knocked him senseless, knocked the driver

667
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: so senseless that when he comes to, he can't figure

668
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: out why there's a grouse in his truck.

669
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 8: Because the grouse is also knocked.

670
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: It canst the grouse. They were mutually concussed.

671
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: The grouse resuscitates, he resuscitates, He films the grouse, opens

672
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: the door, and the grouse gets away. Here's where the

673
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: story takes a strange turn. They actually went to an

674
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: ornithologist to learn this, that it's odd that the grouse

675
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: could have gotten through a cracked window and hit the

676
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: man in the head.

677
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 8: They're doing some real background journalism.

678
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: And.

679
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: They went to an ornithologist to say, what are your

680
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: what's your take on this? I don't believe that the

681
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: ground to what she said, Wow, if the window is

682
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: only open four inches, that seems like uh unlikely. Does

683
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: does he have That's that's hard hitting? That's hard hitting.

684
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 6: Associates degree in physics also like the or like come on.

685
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: They went to an ornithologist did tell them how fast

686
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: were you going?

687
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: Exactly?

688
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: The ornithologist said it was a one in a million shot.

689
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: Which I don't believe and how is he qualified?

690
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: Like he's an ornithology in the ornithology community, that is

691
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 4: something that's studied.

692
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: It's like the third year of ornithology school. Train a

693
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: leaves the Chicago with this individual.

694
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: This individual that was concosted by the grouse is an

695
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: elected official. Okay, the plot in tribal politics. They said

696
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: that they feel they're the only they feel that they're

697
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: the only elected official. This individual that was struck said,

698
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: I can one guarantee this is a oh, I can

699
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: guarantee that I'm the only elected official in Canada to

700
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: ever get hit in the face by a grouse while driving.

701
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: CBC News has not been able to verify this claim.

702
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: They should ask the ornithologist. He knows he's got all

703
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: the weird knowledge.

704
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: As of publication time, they had contacted seventy two percent

705
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of all elected officials to ever serve in Canada and

706
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: have been so far, but has not been able to

707
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: absolutely verify his claim.

708
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 6: The good folks at the CBC are going to stick

709
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 6: with this one. See it through.

710
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: This is a new take on trail camp problems. I

711
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: have shared that I had a trail cam at my

712
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: fish shack and one of my buddy's wives went back

713
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: to pee by the camera and I still haven't gotten

714
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: my card back.

715
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: That one's just gone.

716
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: Now this guy, this guy, he writes in to say this,

717
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give his name.

718
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Does he give his name?

719
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 8: Nope?

720
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh does he didn't even give his name.

721
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 8: He just said a loyal fan.

722
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I have a slightly embarrassing trail cam story. I'd prefer

723
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: not to use my name for reasons that will become obvious.

724
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm a divorced dad last summer started dating an amazing

725
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: divorced woman. This sounds like a match made in heaven.

726
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

727
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: They have seven kids between them. His his gal is

728
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: a dairy farmer. Yeah, I'm in you got it. Yeah,

729
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: seven kids between them, it's hard to find alone time.

730
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: So they go back to a meadow back behind the

731
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: dairy farm to do what he has put in quotes

732
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: to picnic.

733
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: M he's using picnic as a euphemism because it's in quotes.

734
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: That's so wholesome.

735
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: Some neighbors.

736
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: Approached later to say, heads up, we have a trail

737
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: came back in that meadow, f y.

738
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 8: I oh no. They approached one of their teenage sons

739
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 8: who was driving a tractor in that that's right?

740
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: Would you mind telling your mom we have a trail

741
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: camp pointed at that medal, he says, well, sure, but why.

742
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: Don't worry just tell her.

743
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 3: Savage, I don't know why he's embarrassed. Who the guy

744
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: that caught got caught on a trail cam making sweet

745
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: light love to it? I don't know that.

746
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he was picnicking.

747
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: He was picnicking. You do not want to see someone

748
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: picnicking on your trail cam.

749
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: You think he should be proud of that.

750
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's any reason for embarrassment.

751
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 4: I think the fact that they would go to the

752
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 4: seventeen year old child and tell him rather than going

753
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: to the adults. They should be the ones who are embarrassed,

754
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 4: the trailcam people.

755
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

756
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 6: Man, life on the farm is different though, Like there's

757
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 6: a lot of love making, there's a lot of dying

758
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 6: going on around you all the time.

759
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Doug says life and death on the farm. Yeah,

760
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 4: he should start saying love and death on the farm.

761
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

762
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: A lot of confusion around dire wolves and a lot

763
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: of fighting. Seth Morris is even waded into this fight

764
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: and he's.

765
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: Not here today. We had an episode called archaeology OG.

766
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 8: That's what it was called, the the og of archaeology.

767
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 8: Why'd you change it around, It's just shorthand.

768
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: The og of archaeology. And we had a debate about

769
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: dire wolves. Were dire wolves ever? In Alaska?

770
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: Mike Cunns followed up. The body of research on dire

771
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: wolves indicates they evolved in the Western Hemisphere, probably North America,

772
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: and spread into Central and South America in the late

773
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Plasis scene. They first appear in the paleontological record about

774
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: a quarter million years ago, becoming extinct at the end

775
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: of the place is seen about thirteen thousand years ago.

776
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: They appear to have been a creature of the temperate,

777
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: geographical and climatic zones. Only five records of dire wolves

778
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: come from areas north of forty two degrees latitude, which

779
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: is Chicago, like a warm weather southern wolf. The furthest

780
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: North example fifty degrees comes from Medicine Hat Alberta. If

781
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: you want to get a sense of like furthest North

782
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: and what that means as an outlider, I mean a

783
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: mountain lion once turned up where the Mackenzie River flows

784
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: into the you know, the Mackenzie Delta where the Mackenzie

785
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: River flows into the Arctic Ocean. Its ears had been

786
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: frozen off and part of its tail was frozen off.

787
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: But that's like a northern extreme where Seth ways into.

788
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: This is Seth's taken to watch and listening to the guy.

789
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: That's a guy to a gold miner that's been pulling

790
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: out a bone out of the ground in Alaska. And

791
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: it sounds like this guy is saying he can't turn

792
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: around without there being a dire wolf laying there. But

793
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's having genetic lines extracted from

794
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: those or what what.

795
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: I don't know how he knows what he's looking at.

796
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: I mean, no, don't disrespect I covered that pretty well.

797
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, have you watched any of that? Uh?

798
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 6: It like for folks who like picking stuff up off

799
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 6: the ground, like everybody in this room does. Like it's

800
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 6: it's fascinating. What is because your jealousy is so high,

801
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 6: like watching that dude digging the dirt all.

802
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 2: Day oh yeah, yeah, sneaking there at night, oh yeah.

803
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 6: And it's like they they can hydrologically mine, right, so

804
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 6: they can hit high pressure hose this hillside and just

805
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 6: like watch like Mammoth Tuss cave out.

806
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 3: Of it and you're just like, what have I been

807
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: doing with my life? Terrible?

808
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider?

809
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 3: Yeah?

810
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, one man.

811
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a Preacher and in the end he

812
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: gets so pissed he goes and puts his little preacher

813
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: collar in a lock box and takes his two pistols out.

814
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of hydraulic mining in that movie. It's

815
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: pretty interesting.

816
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was They used some extras.

817
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Out of Missoula, did they for that Pale Rider?

818
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: Yep?

819
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it must have been filmed somewhere out here.

820
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: You ever seen a very similar plot line? Have you

821
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: seen Willie Nelson's Redheaded Stranger? No? I never have.

822
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a good movie and such a good album.

823
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Shot another preacher, Yeah, shot her so quick.

824
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Time to Warner. Is there a hydraulic mining in that

825
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: Redheaded Stranger? No, Pale Rider, A lot of it.

826
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

827
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: You guys are very good on going off on tangents

828
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: like fantastic, this.

829
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: Is all like lockstep dude. Well, okay, we went with.

830
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: Went to hydraulic mining and priests collar, Priest collar brought

831
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: us to Willie Nelson song No movie.

832
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty amazing. Well, No, I was more

833
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: on preachers. Who was the Preacher? Pay a little clip

834
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: of that? Maybe film the Time of the Preacher when

835
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: the story began.

836
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: The scene where he goes and pulls pulls his guns

837
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 6: out out of the lock box because he has to

838
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: go to a bank or maybe it's a post office.

839
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 6: I assume it's a bank, goes and it has to like,

840
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 6: you know, stand in line, pull his box.

841
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: Out of his six shooters.

842
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 6: Hell, he takes the time to pull his his preacher's

843
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 6: collar off and put it in there, like, well, that'll

844
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 6: be there when I need it.

845
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: There's a harrowing scene in it where some old time

846
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: drunk he it's this huge nugget, yeah, like a huge

847
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: like he's like carrying it two hands and brings it

848
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: to the bad guys and they first they shoot his

849
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: nugget all the pieces and then blow them all the hell.

850
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 6: Right, because the bad have the big operation and these

851
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 6: guys are all plaster miners that are sticking to their claims,

852
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 6: but the big operation is buying out their claims. And

853
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 6: this guy strikes this nugget of untold wealth. That means

854
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 6: he will never give up his claim. And he's in

855
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 6: town living it up. And uh, he's got a couple

856
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: of boys too, a couple of sons, and he's basically

857
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 6: sticking it in the nose of the owner of the

858
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 6: big height, the big mine, and uh and uh, yeah,

859
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 6: it's a great scene, rubbing it in the face.

860
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: You want to hear a tangent, but I'm not gonna

861
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: do it.

862
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: You know that album Redheaded Stranger and the movie, there's

863
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: a great line on that album. Now the preaching is

864
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: over and the killing's begun.

865
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 6: Oh that's a great one.

866
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: I thought you're in someday where maybe I'm a bad

867
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: guy and you're a preacher vice versa.

868
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 6: I thought you're gonna go Sergio Leoni, so I would

869
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 6: have gone Sergio Leoni over to Once upon a Time

870
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: in Hollywood.

871
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: Mhmo. Yeah, that's good stuff.

872
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: You guys ever watched that? I don't. I don't like it.

873
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: But the kids show Octinouts.

874
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 5: I think my kids watched it back, and that's the

875
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 5: one where they go around underwater investigating different critters.

876
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: And they changed it recently where now they can do

877
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: land animals too. But there's a song and the old

878
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: one that goes creature report, Creature Report. I remember that

879
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 2: in the middle it's like dance break and they dance

880
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: Brody's gonna do a creature report.

881
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is a funny one.

882
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: Chester going to cover.

883
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: Creature report.

884
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 5: No, this one's great, this is awesome. We we've talked

885
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 5: about the the well, it's not proposed the wolf planned

886
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 5: wolf freetru introduction in Colorado bunch, even though there's already

887
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: wolves moving in there on their own. They're going to

888
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 5: go forward with this plan. And uh, it turns out

889
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 5: they're having a real struggle getting wolves to reintroduce, which

890
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 5: I think is is kind of funny. No one wants

891
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: to give them any We are working hard to make

892
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: this happen, they say, we're we're on schedule to meet

893
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 5: our obligation to restore and manage gray wolves. That's Dan Gibbs,

894
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 5: executive director of the Colorado d n R. To meet

895
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: the deadline, Colorado needs wolves and their Their main sources

896
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 5: that they're looking to are are, of course, Idaho, Montana,

897
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 5: and Wyoming. And uh, it turns out that these states

898
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: are not willing to cooperate, even even though Colorado is saying,

899
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: you know, this is where they're going to get the wolves.

900
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 5: Greg Lemon from MFWP says, we have not been and

901
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: are not in conversations about wolving moving wolves to another state.

902
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: To be clear, we have not talked to and are

903
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 5: not talking to Colorado about moving wolves. An Idaho spokesperson

904
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 5: said the states have not had any formal conversations, and

905
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: Wyhoming says Wyoming is opposed to sending wolves to Colorado.

906
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: So their three main sources don't seem to be willing

907
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: to support the reintroduction, which I think is pretty interesting.

908
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: Why can't they get some of those same bad mother

909
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: liquors they sent down from Canada when they did the

910
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl?

911
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that guy you know that well, the guy

912
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 6: that he knows knows the guy who trapped him.

913
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 2: That they pot with the stick found the meanest ones.

914
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: I'm not sure they might have to go back to

915
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: that source. But Colorado goes on to say they've had

916
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 5: conversations with Washington and Oregon also, but a Washington spokesperson

917
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: said they aren't sure what Colorado means about exploring an

918
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 5: agreement that could be on their end where they've just

919
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 5: done some research, we've had formal zero formal discussion. Oregon

920
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 5: has a similar response, and so for some reason, Colorado

921
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: also listed Utah as a possible source when Utah doesn't

922
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 5: even have any established packs and they're very against Colorado

923
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 5: reintroducing wolves because those wolves will just wander over into Utah.

924
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 5: So we'll see if Colorado gets it done by the deadline,

925
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: which is I think the end of this year.

926
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: Inadvertently or unintentionally, Wyoming has already stock has they have

927
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: There has been natural migration of wolves into Colorado. And

928
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: just to revisit this from the start, it was kind

929
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: of a strange irony is that at the same time

930
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: that this ballot initiative in Colorado, which the wording is

931
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: a little bit complicated, but basically a ballot initiative calling

932
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: for a wolf reintroduction in Colorado, at the same time

933
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: that that was making its way through the process, the

934
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: nature accomplished the goal and they had natural migration of

935
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: wolves into Colorado, which I thought negated the whole conversation.

936
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: But now certain key advocates for this are saying, oh,

937
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: that won't happen nearly fast enough, even though which I don't.

938
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: I haven't understood the logic of it, where why you'd

939
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: want to do something where you voiced like, why do

940
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: something so controversial when what you want is happening in

941
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: such a subtle, natural, uncontroversial.

942
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: Way, and that.

943
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: The end result in twenty years time, thirty years time,

944
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna land in the same place.

945
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: Yep, exactly.

946
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: It's been like a puzzling it's been a puzzling move.

947
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 6: Just let nature do its thing. This is all about nature,

948
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 6: but we need it on our timeline, right, Yeah, it

949
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 6: makes zero sense. It's the approval under this administration is

950
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 6: what's what's driving it, right, And it's like, well, the

951
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 6: law says that we have to follow through on this

952
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 6: citizen's initiative and that has to happen on our timeline

953
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 6: or else it won't get done and we'll be in

954
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 6: violation of whatever the Colorado State constitution I imagine. But

955
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 6: on citizens' initiatives.

956
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, what puzzles me about the citizens initiatives says like

957
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: you have to do exploration and move toward the goal

958
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: of restoring wolves in Colorado.

959
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: Find suitable areas to put them.

960
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, so how would you not how would the

961
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: plan not be? And and I'll clarify, like I have

962
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: no animosity toward wolves, I have no animosity toward any

963
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: native wildlife. Uh, but just looking at it in a

964
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: social management scenario, why would the plan not be just

965
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: to not why would the plan not be just to

966
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: manage the wolves that are now in Colorado getting a

967
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: toe hold? How does I don't say how like i'd

968
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: have to have like a legal person explained. Why does

969
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: that not satisfy the question?

970
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: I think it might be that there was a.

971
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 5: Timeline attached to that that ballot initiative, like they needed

972
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 5: to be on the ground by x. There needed to

973
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 5: be x number of wolves by X date.

974
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: Was part of the original plan.

975
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, like what what was the There is a number,

976
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 6: I've I've read it. I know y like what reintroduction

977
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 6: means and what satisfies like the population.

978
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 5: And there's still I think there's still questions regarding how

979
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: these wolves will be managed, whether they'll fall under the

980
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 5: ESA or whether they'll be an experimental population, which you

981
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: have big impacts on how they can be managed.

982
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: If they didn't put them in, they would they wouldn't

983
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be under experimental right exactly.

984
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 5: But if they're introduced, they may very well fall under

985
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 5: that category.

986
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this real quickly.

987
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: This is a This is like a little gamble people

988
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: make when they're doing in dangerous pieces of recovery.

989
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: There was for a long time a debate about whether

990
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: or not.

991
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: You would reintroduce grizzly bears into the Bitterroot Mountains in Montana.

992
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: And the deal they struck was if they did a

993
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: reintroduction to grizzly bears into the bitter Roots, they would

994
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: carry with them a non essential experimental designation, meaning it'd

995
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: be much easier to there there be it'd be it'd

996
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: be much easier for livestock owners to kill them. The

997
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: the self defense cases wouldn't be as strictly enforced, like

998
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: you you know, you wouldn't need to be like prove

999
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: that you were down to a life or death situation, right,

1000
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Just totally different management principle, or you just don't do

1001
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: that and trust that they get there on their own,

1002
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: because the minute one walks into that mountain range on

1003
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: its own, it doesn't carry experimental designation. So you could

1004
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: be like, okay, we'll go with the sure thing and

1005
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: put some in and they have experimental, non essential or

1006
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: bide our time and wait, a decade.

1007
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 5: Hasn't didn't They didn't one turn up there recently?

1008
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 6: I thought in the bitters, yeah, there's there's been a

1009
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 6: bear that that's cruised through there. I think the Idaho

1010
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 6: Fishing Game, you know, this is a frustrating thing for

1011
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 6: a lot of people who are like, yeah, I saw

1012
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 6: grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear track. There's pictures, there's everything. Well,

1013
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 6: the state agency can't be like, yep, you're right right.

1014
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 6: They have to prove it if they're going to make

1015
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 6: a positive statement. And so they were able to get

1016
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 6: a DNA at that site and get it verified as

1017
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 6: grizzly DNA. So Idaho Fishing Game probably two summers ago,

1018
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 6: said like, yes, we know for a fact that there

1019
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 6: is a grizzly bear in this general zone. And it

1020
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 6: was actually more on like the clear Water side, so

1021
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 6: you know, much more on the Idaho side than the

1022
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 6: Montana side of the bitter It Range there. But we

1023
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 6: know that bears have traveled successfully, like across the I

1024
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: ninety corridor, which is seen as a huge break in

1025
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 6: migration because it is so massive there. Yeah, daunting cutting

1026
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 6: through the Panhandle to Idaho. So but I mean I

1027
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 6: will tell you, like from personal experience, in the early

1028
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 6: two thousands, we cut grizzly bear tracks in the Sapphire Range.

1029
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 6: During it would have been like the height of this

1030
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 6: conversation on putting like physically moving grizzly into the bitter Roots, which.

1031
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: Is effectively the bitter Roots.

1032
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's like an easy little stroll across ninety

1033
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: three or.

1034
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: Something, right, Yeah, well across the valley, across the Bitteret Valley.

1035
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 6: But that was really wild, you know. And you're like

1036
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 6: much more hospitable range than the Bitter Roots are for

1037
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 6: sure as far as like finding food and stuff.

1038
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was And.

1039
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 6: Then so the Rock Creek drainage is right there, as

1040
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 6: we know from meat Eater trivia. The US largest forests

1041
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 6: that we have in Montana, the Beaverhead National Forest, is uh,

1042
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 6: you know, grizzly bear tracks right in the middle of it.

1043
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: So, speaking of grizzly bears, I think there's going to

1044
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: be a renewed push like the US Fish and Wildlife

1045
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: Service I think will again request that grizzly bears delist

1046
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: get delisted soon. I don't think that will go anywhere there,

1047
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: it gets held up on the idea that they're not

1048
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: recovered across the entirety of their range, so you can't

1049
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: recover you can't declare them recovered.

1050
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: In certain areas.

1051
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: Following that logic would be that elk would be listed

1052
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: as an e s A species. The elk would be

1053
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: protected by the Endangered Species Act, big horn sheep would

1054
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: be protected by the Endangered Species Act. Wolves be protected

1055
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act. Black bears would be protected

1056
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act.

1057
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: What am I missing?

1058
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

1059
00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 6: I mean coyotes hmm, that's a weird one.

1060
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: Mule deer perhaps blacktail, I'm sure would.

1061
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: Be protected by the Endangered Species Act.

1062
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: So the logic that you can't delist something in one

1063
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: place because it's not recovered in another. I don't know

1064
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: that Golden Gate Park will ever have a sustainable population

1065
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: of grizzly bears. Yeah, though that damn sure was grizzly.

1066
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 6: Country on menus in San Francisco?

1067
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1068
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: Really?

1069
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 8: In what years all.

1070
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 6: That gold Rush era, right about the time they made

1071
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 6: Pale Rider?

1072
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: Can I ask something? First of all, I want to

1073
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 4: apologize for zoning out. I was just trying to figure

1074
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: out what the one food was that's lowering my testosterone?

1075
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: Did you watch the thing?

1076
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: I tell you I did.

1077
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: I was watching the video while you guys were talking

1078
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: about that. That's why I was not a part of

1079
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 4: the conversation. I'm back.

1080
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to say sesame seeds.

1081
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

1082
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 4: But also, what is the what is the best argument

1083
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: for introducing reintroducing wolves and the worst argument or the

1084
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: best m best argument for and best argument against in

1085
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: you know, just just like in thirty seconds for each.

1086
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: The best argument for reintroducing wolves, in my view, we

1087
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: can go around the table as much as people want

1088
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: to speak to it. The best argument for reintroducing wolves

1089
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: is it was human activities that eliminated them from much

1090
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: of their historic range. In particular, it was an activity

1091
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: that we now find to be deplorable, which was indiscriminately

1092
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: spreading poison laced carcasses out on the landscape. And it

1093
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: is a sin against God and man to determine that

1094
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: certain species that were placed here on the Earth should

1095
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: be eliminated because they're inconvenient.

1096
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: To us, okay, And it's a.

1097
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Sin against nature to go and eliminate things from planet

1098
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Earth because they're inconvenient. The argument against restoring them in

1099
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: Colorado is it will have and they all try to

1100
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: dodge this, but it's true, it will have catastrophic impacts

1101
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: on big game populations in Colorado. But hunters are naughty

1102
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: to say. It's like naughty for a hunter to say,

1103
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't really like this because it's going to affect

1104
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: elk and deer hunting so negatively. It's supposed to be

1105
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to care about that, but people

1106
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: care about.

1107
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: That a lot.

1108
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: And what do you mean they're not supposed to care

1109
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 4: about who's saying that.

1110
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be that like that, that's not a

1111
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: legitimate that's not a legitimate concern.

1112
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: There's one very advocate.

1113
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: There's one all the wolf introductions. Is this one guy

1114
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: that plays in all the Wolf for Re introductions and

1115
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: he refers to hunters as the recreational big game killing industry.

1116
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: Okay, got it, that's that's two.

1117
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1118
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 6: The loss of damaged property livestock specifically is.

1119
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: A big one.

1120
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 6: Wolves definitely get in mess with with domestic flocks of

1121
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 6: sheep for sure, cattle and the legal ease of like

1122
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 6: how you navigate that with personal property rights? And another

1123
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 6: animal that's not even yet a game species that can

1124
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 6: be managed effectively through the game agencies, because it's in

1125
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 6: this limbo of like, well, who manages it the fed

1126
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 6: through the state, and does it get such special status

1127
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 6: that if it's attacking your property, can you kill it?

1128
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: Can you get rid of it like you would with

1129
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 6: like a coyote incident or something like that. So there's

1130
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 6: a lot of things there in the management that people

1131
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 6: are like, why would we even want to deal with that?

1132
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 6: And specifically to Colorado, it's like you have wolves that

1133
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: have already walked into the state, which is an area

1134
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 6: that most people I feel that get wrapped up in

1135
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 6: this argument can agree that, like, well they did it

1136
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 6: on their own. So now we're in it whether we

1137
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 6: want to or not, and we can deal with it

1138
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 6: because it's been put on the table in front of us,

1139
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 6: versus one side saying that we need to drop them

1140
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 6: in here with the big black helicopters that everybody fears.

1141
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 4: Got it.

1142
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: Let me hate with no one, he said thirty seconds.

1143
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 2: Well no, I thought him, no one.

1144
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: This is going to sound conspiratorial, but I do think

1145
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: that I do think it's true the same way that

1146
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: individual that I just mentioned refers to the recreational big

1147
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: game killing industry.

1148
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: I think that there is that. I'm not normally a

1149
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: conspiratorial person.

1150
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Right, I think that there are a lot of pro

1151
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: wolf advocates that have that would like.

1152
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: To stick it to big game hunters. Oh. Absolutely.

1153
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: That didn't seem like a conspiracy to me. That's not

1154
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 4: even a conspiracy. Pretty sentiment easy. I think it's like,

1155
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: it's like they'd like to stick it to big game hunters. Yeah, okay,

1156
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: I mean if if you're going out and calling it

1157
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 4: the industrial yeah whatever, then yeah, that seems like that's

1158
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 4: exactly what you're doing.

1159
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, so does the surplus of deer

1160
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: and elklets. I'd rather feed it to wolves and feed

1161
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: it to the rednecks.

1162
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 4: That's wow. That is so dogmatic, Like that's so crazy

1163
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 4: that they're willing to go that far. Their hate for

1164
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: hunters is willing to just kind of up end the

1165
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 4: whole balance.

1166
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: They love wolves, and they got on sixty minutes.

1167
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: Wasn't there like a sixty minutes piece called like that

1168
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: was showing how amazing this was.

1169
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember watching that.

1170
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 5: Oh the debunked what's that.

1171
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, how the wolves ship rainbows or something trop

1172
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: is like that was a real popular idea for a while.

1173
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 2: The debunked, Yeah, I.

1174
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: Got no problem with wolves. Man, When I see a wolf,

1175
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: I get real excited. Yeah, but what I do have

1176
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: a problem is just.

1177
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: Like mounding so much bs onto it.

1178
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: Right.

1179
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: And we had a woman on, Diane Boyd, who was

1180
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: very instrumental in like is the the wolf biologists for

1181
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: Montana And she even says she advocated for this at

1182
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: the time, and in hindsight she still feels that she

1183
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: was correct that they shouldn't have done the Yellowstone. In

1184
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: Frank Church reintroductions, wolves are coming in from Canada, and

1185
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: she said, I just think from a public perception standpoint

1186
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: and for the sake of how wolves are perceived, just

1187
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: give it time and let them show up.

1188
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 4: And that's coming from someone who it's their job to

1189
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 4: think about this and they're pro wolf. Right. It's like

1190
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 4: you'd get there anyways. You'd get there anyways, and it

1191
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 4: wouldn't be that you wouldn't turn wolves into the new

1192
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 4: spot at owl.

1193
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 3: Right right, right, Well, that's it all comes back down

1194
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: to this, back around to this citizen's initiative and about

1195
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: how none of this is these actions are based on

1196
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 3: science or the will of scientists.

1197
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know what that means anymore.

1198
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, But no, everybody besides the

1199
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 3: public the voted for it is saying no. I mean,

1200
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: the rest of this proves it. Right here, there's six

1201
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 3: other states that are like, let us save you from

1202
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: your own dumb ass cells, and we won't ship you

1203
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: any wolves.

1204
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, you know there is there is wolf hunting a thing.

1205
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, in where so they have been delisted in

1206
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: they delist.

1207
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: Them in areas.

1208
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: So there's this there's this idea called distinct population segments, and.

1209
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: They've overlaid it. Originally it was lower forty eight. Okay.

1210
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: They've then gone on and gotten a little more surgical,

1211
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: and they've created these areas where they.

1212
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: Look at around the country, what are areas it could

1213
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: feasibly support the animals.

1214
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: So with grizzlies, what there's five or six So there's

1215
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: there's five or six habitat core habitat.

1216
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 4: Areas that could support grizzlies. One doesn't have any.

1217
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: So it's North Cascades, Bitterroot cell Way mm hmm, the

1218
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: Northern Continental Divide Cabinet, Yack cabinet, yack, g WAT, Greater Yellowstone.

1219
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: How many is that?

1220
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: Greater Yellowstone, Northern Continental Divide, Northern Cascade, Northern Cascade Cabinet, Yack.

1221
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 6: Cabinet, YAC bitter at So yeah.

1222
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: For one doesn't have them, or Northern Cascade has maybe

1223
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: depending on where it's standing at any given time, has

1224
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: a couple that moved back and forth from Canada. So

1225
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: they've gone and said, Okay, it's not gonna be the

1226
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: Lower forty eight. My joke about Golden Gate Park. It's

1227
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: not gonna be Golden Gate Park. Where could it be?

1228
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: It could be in these places. And what they've done

1229
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: is they've enabled it to to propose delisting an area.

1230
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: So currently, everyone who has any academic perspective, like anyone

1231
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: who's assigned with just tell me empirically, are they recovered

1232
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: or not recovered in sustainable way? Any biologist who looks

1233
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: at this from any federal agency, state agencies are like

1234
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: Greater Ye also an ecosystem, yes, Northern Continental Divide ecosystem yes,

1235
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: meaning they're not conservation dependent. You could dlist those populations

1236
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: are grizzly bears and they're fine they're fine.

1237
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 2: With wolves. They've done Northern Great Lakes and it's their

1238
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: back listed, all right.

1239
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 5: It waffles back and forth so much, but there was

1240
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 5: hunting off and on there over the last decade or so.

1241
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: So you can't keep track. So like Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

1242
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 5: But well beyond recovery, like way way pass, recovery goals right, And.

1243
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: When people say recovery goals is at a time. They

1244
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: came at a time every all the different stakeholders got

1245
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: together and they said, what what does recovery look like?

1246
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: What's an acceptable recovery? And they came up with I

1247
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: think for they come up with a pack, like how

1248
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: many packs and different parameters. With grizzly bears, they came

1249
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: up with how many how many bears? So they all agreed,

1250
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bears in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem.

1251
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: We all agree that would be phenomenal. That'd be wonderful

1252
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: if we could hit that. Sure, we all would sign

1253
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: off that that is recovered. That's phenomenal. Okay, now, what

1254
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: do you got A thousand? Are they recovered?

1255
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: No?

1256
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: Because I said that in order to get what I

1257
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: wanted at the time, But I didn't mean that. What

1258
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: I meant was they're.

1259
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: Never going to be recovered.

1260
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: You're never going to pull them off the endangered species

1261
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: list because the main you do, hellbillies and rednecks will

1262
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: be able to kill them, and I don't want that

1263
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: to happen. So the goalpost just moves and moves and moves,

1264
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: and it creates tremendous animosity. The biggest argument with the

1265
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: DPS thing is if you if you how like a

1266
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: person who doesn't believe in any d listing would look

1267
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: and say, if you delist grizzlies in Northern Conental Divide ecosystem,

1268
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: and you delist grizzlies in the Yellowstone ecosystem, how can

1269
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: you guarantee to me that that's not going to impact

1270
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: cabinet yack or that that's not going to impact bitterroot

1271
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: cell way Because where else would that recovery come from

1272
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: but those two areas. So if you're gonna make it

1273
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: that there's going to be more human cause mortality in

1274
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,440
Speaker 1: those areas, then I'm going to argue that any surplus

1275
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: of bears you're killing there, you're killing bears that might.

1276
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: Have been migrating to these other area.

1277
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: Come to these so don't tell me that it's a

1278
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: distinct population set. This is the argument against it, right, Like,

1279
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: don't tell me it's distinct, because nothing's distinct.

1280
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: Things move around. You can't undo this and not impact that.

1281
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 6: And connectivity is the is like the biggest buzzword in

1282
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 6: this argument. Got it, Like, show me the connectivity. So

1283
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 6: because also they want to re examine, like what does

1284
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 6: recovered mean, right? Does it mean right now in our

1285
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 6: snapshot of time or does it mean forever? And in

1286
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 6: order for a forever recovered goalpost, there has to be

1287
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 6: genetic exchange between these groups for the long term viability

1288
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 6: of the species, right or else you're gonna hit this

1289
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 6: stopping point that does have a name that I can't

1290
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 6: remember what we talked about with mountain lions and the

1291
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 6: Santa Monicas forever ago, where they hit this cliff and

1292
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, that population's gone because it's just

1293
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 6: bred itself into non existence essentially because it's just swapping

1294
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 6: the same gene back and forth. So connectivity is a

1295
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 6: big deal, which is why when these bears do show

1296
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 6: up in the clear water on the opposite side of

1297
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 6: the bitter Roots and wander around that part of Idaho.

1298
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 6: It's a big deal because it does show that a

1299
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 6: bear from the NCDE has traversed these big on paper

1300
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 6: obstacles of like the I ninety corridor or high human

1301
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 6: population areas. And then what Steve's saying too is about

1302
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 6: like this higher human cause mortality that is generally accepted

1303
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 6: as the case, but it's also I think what a

1304
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 6: lot of biologists would tell you is something that we

1305
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 6: don't really know because there is so much human cause

1306
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 6: mortality occurring right now while these bears are federally protected,

1307
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 6: we don't honestly know how that number of vehicle strikes,

1308
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 6: conflict incidents with livestock, with hikers, people feeling threatened on

1309
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 6: the trail, etc.

1310
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 5: A lot of grizzlies get shot by fishing game a lot,

1311
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 5: and they get in trouble.

1312
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 6: A lot, And oftentimes it's like the people who are

1313
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 6: actively trying to get to these recovery benchmarks who have

1314
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 6: to go out and kill the damn bears because somebody

1315
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 6: didn't lock up their stupid fricking garbage can, right and literally,

1316
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 6: you're killing this bear that's been put so high up

1317
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 6: on a pedestal by not locking up your garbage can

1318
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 6: and the thing comes and roots through it for leftover watermelonines, right,

1319
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 6: and it's like, well that's a learned behavior. We got

1320
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 6: to get rid of it because eventually it's gonna bump

1321
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 6: into you in your bathroom filling up the garbage can, right,

1322
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 6: you might get tickled. So all of these things come

1323
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 6: together to be like what is recovery? And you know,

1324
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 6: but every year we're addressing more and more of this,

1325
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 6: like protecting migration corridors. The Infrastructure Act that just went

1326
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,440
Speaker 6: through provided a shitload of funding for like wildlife overpasses

1327
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 6: and under asses across these huge obstacles like the I

1328
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 6: ninety corridor, and you know, as we see those things implemented,

1329
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 6: we are removing all these excuses. But there's this issue

1330
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 6: fatigue that we always deal with in the conservation world,

1331
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 6: which is like, well, we've been We've been doing the thing.

1332
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:25,440
Speaker 6: We have been funding things in municipalities for bear proof containers,

1333
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:30,520
Speaker 6: we have been eliminating shed hunting seasons on these slopes

1334
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 6: that are used by wintering big game. And we've been

1335
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 6: doing all the things because you told us we are

1336
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 6: going to get this animal d list. And that's where

1337
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 6: the frustrations, just like always keep coming up. It's like

1338
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 6: the goalpost keep getting moved. And yeah, to Steve's point,

1339
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 6: there is absolutely a faction out there that's like the

1340
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 6: bear is so powerful, the wolf is so powerful as

1341
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 6: a tool a symbol of the ESA that it is

1342
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 6: how we are protecting other species that people don't really

1343
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 6: want to talk about, the charismatic megafauna. Right is the

1344
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 6: is the thing on the flag, but it actually is

1345
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 6: how we're protecting, you know, the freshwater muscles that are

1346
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 6: super important to our fresh water system, but nobody truly

1347
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 6: gives a shit about.

1348
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So I don't think answered your question though.

1349
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I what I'm realizing is that you guys

1350
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 4: have no concept of what thirty seconds is.

1351
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to hear a good still on this show, but.

1352
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: Wyoming.

1353
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: So if you look at the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, the

1354
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: official number is seven hundred or seven fifty grizzlies.

1355
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: But even the but the guy.

1356
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: That did that number knows that number is not right.

1357
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: And he said on this podcast, Frank was Huga Hugo

1358
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: type in grizzly bear, Frank USGS Hugomeyer. We had a

1359
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: guest on who so the USGS isn't a policy organization.

1360
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: They are a fact gathering organization. The facts they gather

1361
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: are then used by policymakers.

1362
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 8: Frank vinn mannon that's.

1363
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: No, is it.

1364
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? The guy that headed up the interagency study.

1365
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking the wrong. Damn Frank, what's his name?

1366
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 8: Frank van mann In.

1367
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: He says they used a model that he doesn't think

1368
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: is accurate anymore. But it's hard to change the official number.

1369
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: But he says, so, he's like, there's probably a thousand

1370
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: in the Greater Yelstone ecosystem, which is about Indiana. It's

1371
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: a chunk of ground about the size of Indiana that

1372
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: sits in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, whatever portion of those

1373
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: is in Wyoming. There's an interesting statistic where this is.

1374
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: Years ago, Wyoming was spending two because of the ESA issues.

1375
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, Wyoming spends two million bucks a year on

1376
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 1: the Bears, and someone once did the math and realized

1377
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: it's an expensive critter for them for the states.

1378
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 4: I went to Yellowstone yesterday. I took a drive there,

1379
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 4: didn't see any bears.

1380
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: You could try to get your money back.

1381
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 3: What was your Google review?

1382
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: If I could give it half a star?

1383
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 4: I don't get it all right, So talking about this

1384
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 4: Food Network show, Raid the Fridge. It's a goofy show.

1385
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 4: It's on Discovery Plus.

1386
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: Now.

1387
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: It's fun.

1388
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 4: It's pretty fun. It came from the fact you used

1389
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 4: to take pictures of people's fridges. Well, my podcast Greenecks

1390
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 4: and dan Is I interviewed very very very famous celebrities.

1391
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 4: Steve Varnella was a guest, and it's all based on

1392
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 4: a picture of the inside of your fridge, and then

1393
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 4: we go down that rabbit hole of you know, your

1394
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: relationship to food. But yeah, I took all these I

1395
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 4: have all these pictures of celebrit these fridges. It's my

1396
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 4: kink and the Food Network saw that and they're like,

1397
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 4: we want to turn this into a show. So it's

1398
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 4: it became a Raid the Fridge, which is a it's

1399
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 4: a food competition show. You got three chefs, they have

1400
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: three mystery fridges. They have no idea what's in the fridge.

1401
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 4: They can only choose a fridge based on the pictures

1402
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 4: and the magnets outside. Once they open that fridge, time starts.

1403
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 4: I feel like, well, it is fun, but I am

1404
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 4: also like I love doing it, but I'm also like

1405
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 4: very anti where like food TV has gone. I feel

1406
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 4: like it's just become these very aggressive competition shows that

1407
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 4: are aggressive. Like I loved when we were younger, and

1408
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 4: it was just like the Food Network was like a

1409
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 4: nice person inviting you into their kitchen to show you

1410
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 4: how to cook something.

1411
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: Are you talking on the place where you work right now?

1412
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1413
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am right now.

1414
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 2: That's bold.

1415
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 4: But now everything is like it's like you come back

1416
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: from the commercial break with like heavy metal. It's like,

1417
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 4: welcome back to kitchen genocide, death battle Roy. Yeah, Mary

1418
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 4: just got sent home because there pot pie tasted like

1419
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 4: sweaty dick.

1420
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: It's like, what's happening? What happened? Food Network?

1421
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 4: Leaving our roommating two contestants. For your final challenge, you

1422
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 4: will give given a rabbit, a hammer, and three springs

1423
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 4: of dill. You've got ten minutes to make dessert. Time

1424
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 4: starts as soon as I slaughter this lamb. It's like, what, Yeah,

1425
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 4: it's gone too aggressive, man.

1426
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: Well my understanding, yeah, you just prayed a pretty graphic picture.

1427
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: My understanding is food Network. This blew my mind. Maybe

1428
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: you can correct me. MI understanding is that Food Network

1429
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: will not allow a head to be on a fish.

1430
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: Really. Oh, I have no idea, just learn that.

1431
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, half the restaurants in New

1432
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: York you can get a fish with a head on it.

1433
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: Wait, is that true? That's what I heard you.

1434
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 4: I am going to call my buddy who's in charge

1435
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 4: of all the food of Food network on smartphone right now.

1436
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 3: I heard that you can't use the barber hook on

1437
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 3: the Bighorn River.

1438
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: It's illegal.

1439
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: I've just I heard this on very from a very

1440
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: good source that there you will not find a fish's

1441
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: head on that network. You cannot do whole fried thie fish.

1442
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 6: I heard you can't have Wow, it's exciting podcast and

1443
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 6: knives present at the same time alcohol because.

1444
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 2: You're going to get wasted and cut yourself.

1445
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 3: As as happens.

1446
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: And is this suspense killing you like it's killing me.

1447
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to answer because most people don't.

1448
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know why, because you're like I have a

1449
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 6: very good friend.

1450
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: It's like ten times that I try to call my wife,

1451
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: she'll answer one time.

1452
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 5: Well that's not a good things.

1453
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: Oh man, all right.

1454
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 4: No, no head's on fish, No heads on fish. I

1455
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 4: don't that's crazy. If that's true. I'm a huge I

1456
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys know this about it.

1457
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: Let's do the fish head. Let's do this.

1458
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,799
Speaker 1: Why don't you go with just one of these fridges,

1459
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: put a fish with the head on it and see

1460
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: what happens.

1461
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like we've had some gnarly stuff

1462
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 4: on there. I can't imagine a fishhead being that.

1463
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 2: No head's on fish.

1464
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 5: Didn't you get thrown in Instagram jail for showing a

1465
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 5: picture of a valid king salmon one time?

1466
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? I forgot about that.

1467
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 5: That's pretty ridiculous.

1468
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: So, okay, talk me about the book. Did you do

1469
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: your own audiobook?

1470
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: Yes?

1471
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: Did your own read? I did, and it was very

1472
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: It was an awful experience. Plug the book a little bit.

1473
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 4: Okay, So the book is undercooked. You can get it

1474
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 4: anywhere you get books. It's an Amazon bestseller right now

1475
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 4: in the category of books by Dana Dude, and it

1476
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 4: is killing it.

1477
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: It is uh.

1478
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1479
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 4: It's a comedic food memoir standalone chapters, each of them

1480
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 4: about food, but they're also funny and there's a lot

1481
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 4: of heart, and there's also a bunch of hunting chapters which.

1482
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 2: They tried to come down. The man tried to come

1483
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: down on you about hunt.

1484
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 4: The man tried to come down and they wanted to.

1485
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: They're like, you need to take out one of these

1486
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 4: hunting chapters. You've got too much hunting. When what's their

1487
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: argument because they were like, it's a food book and

1488
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 4: people want to buy a food book.

1489
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to hear about you going hunting.

1490
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: Because the two are like not related.

1491
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I fought and I kept I kept a.

1492
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 5: Tense fight, like words exchanged.

1493
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 4: You know, there was It's very interesting when you write

1494
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 4: a book, you have to it's it's very like pick

1495
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: your battles on what you're gonna put in and what

1496
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: you're not going to put in. So, uh, for example,

1497
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 4: I there was a line in it about Anthony Bourdain

1498
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,839
Speaker 4: committing suicide, and they were like, you can't say committing

1499
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 4: suicide he died by suicide. You have to write he

1500
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 4: died by suicide. And I was like, walk me through

1501
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 4: that one. So the whole thing about that is that

1502
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 4: suicide is a mental health thing and that it's not

1503
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 4: in your control that.

1504
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: You're actually committing. It's happening to you.

1505
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 6: It's sort of it wasn't a question of his commitment.

1506
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 4: Right exactly, which I was like, that feels weird to me,

1507
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 4: and but it didn't feel weird enough where I was

1508
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 4: going to fight for that, so that I wasn't going

1509
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 4: to fight for something else, so you know what I mean.

1510
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 4: So it was a lot of that happening where you

1511
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 4: had to pick your battles, and so the hunting one

1512
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: was where I kind of stood my ground because it's

1513
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 4: basically the there's a chapter on elk hunting, which is

1514
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 4: basically two chapters in one, and then there's a chapter

1515
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 4: on kosier hunting and then stuff about uh, goose hunting

1516
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 4: in the beginning.

1517
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 3: But you know it's pronounced cows, is it really? No,

1518
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: that's not true.

1519
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 4: It's true.

1520
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 2: I just looked at Steve. That's not true. The gentleman's

1521
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: name was cows.

1522
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 4: Okay, but yeah, so we kept it in so and look,

1523
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 4: I part of my thing, part of the thing with

1524
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 4: this book is that I know that a lot of

1525
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 4: like let's call it coastal elites will be reading this

1526
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 4: because it's like a popular food book and they want

1527
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 4: to read about food. So I think it's exciting to

1528
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 4: kind of flank them with the hunting stuff when they

1529
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 4: don't expect it coming, and I've had so many people

1530
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 4: say to me, I never thought about hunting until I

1531
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 4: read your chapters, and now I could even like entertain

1532
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 4: going on a hunt, which is pretty cool.

1533
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: Do you believe in coastal elites?

1534
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 4: Yes, you do, one hundred percent.

1535
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 2: Are you one of them?

1536
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 4: I am adjacent. I'm coastal elite adjacent, you know, But

1537
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 4: I mean I live in laing that you.

1538
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 3: Just don't make quite enough money to be an elite

1539
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: or I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to I

1540
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 3: don't think it means either.

1541
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 6: Know how to du Pont or Rockefeller or Roosevelt or no.

1542
01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: I am as kids dudes will be amongst that crowd.

1543
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not an a dute.

1544
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 3: No.

1545
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 4: I just feel like there is a group think that

1546
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 4: happens on in the big city group and if you're

1547
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 4: not a part of it, you're kind of excommunicated. So

1548
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 4: even coming on your podcast for the first time was

1549
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 4: like coming out of closet for me in a way.

1550
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 4: Just talking about the fact that I'm a hunter, that

1551
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 4: I own guns was like, you know, I got a

1552
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of crap for that within my community,

1553
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: and I definitely know, yeah, I mean, I definitely know

1554
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 4: of people who are probably won't say it outright, but

1555
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 4: you definitely know that's the reason that you're not hanging

1556
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 4: out as much. It's I'm telling you, it's a thing.

1557
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 4: It's a thing in LA and New York, and that's

1558
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 4: a good.

1559
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 5: Way to just like, you know, skim the scum off

1560
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 5: the top anyway.

1561
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean I think so, But it's it is,

1562
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: especially when you're entertainment. Though in entertainment it's even another

1563
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 4: level of you know, you gotta watch what you do

1564
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 4: and watch it.

1565
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 7: I was very excited and surprised to hear you name

1566
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 7: drop meat Eater on Comedy Bang Bang this Week, which

1567
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 7: is one of my favorite podcasts.

1568
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the first time you guys have been

1569
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 4: mentioned on Comedy Bank, the most the most like nerdy

1570
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 4: comedy podcast in the country. But yeah, look this is

1571
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 4: But I think this is why this book is interesting

1572
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 4: is because I'm I've always kind of straddled those two

1573
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 4: places of like, I love fine dining, I love good food,

1574
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 4: I love going to great restaurants, but then like I

1575
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: love going hunting and I love getting dirty and doing

1576
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 4: those things as well. So I can't tell you how

1577
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 4: many times I've had to explain to people the fact

1578
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 4: that hunters give more money to conservation than all conservation

1579
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 4: you know, environmental groups combined. And this is a fact

1580
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 4: that I got from you, which.

1581
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: I keep well. And that's a bold statement. I mean

1582
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: it is. I wouldn't put that that way.

1583
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 4: Why not with the what is that law? That the

1584
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 4: money from the AMMO and the money from.

1585
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 2: The A lot. But you're just using very broad strokes.

1586
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 4: You told me to say, none, screw those environmental groups.

1587
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 4: We give more money than they ever will. No, it's

1588
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 4: a but here's.

1589
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: You're using such broad strokes that you get into hard definitional.

1590
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 5: Easy to poke holes in it.

1591
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the hard definition. But here's the thing.

1592
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 4: Most people wouldn't even know that that hunters give a

1593
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 4: dollar to conservation.

1594
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,440
Speaker 2: That's very true.

1595
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 4: So even opening their eyes to that, I think, is

1596
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 4: that that's the best place I think to start the conversation.

1597
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: There was recently an op ed I think it was

1598
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: in the New York Times, and it was arguing that

1599
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: they don't like the Pittman. This guy was saying, I

1600
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: don't like the Pittman robertson money for conservation. It shouldn't

1601
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: go to conservation because it's blood money, meaning he doesn't

1602
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: want to. He doesn't think that gun and AMMO money

1603
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: has a place in wildlife conservation because it's wildlife conservation

1604
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: taking blood money.

1605
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of a that it's that argument

1606
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 4: about and correct me if I'm wrong here, But a

1607
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 4: lot of the big game hunting in Africa, like where

1608
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 4: you want to kill a line or something, you have

1609
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 4: to pay like a couple hundred thousand dollars to do that,

1610
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 4: and then doesn't most of that money go to conservation.

1611
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some guys coming in pretty soon. There

1612
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: are subject matter experts on that. We tried it before

1613
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: with someone.

1614
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 8: Roger Hurt and Morgan, I don't know, as like Potter.

1615
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 2: There you go, they're all super excited about that. Well, so, yeah,

1616
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 2: I said I was having some Tanzanians over for dinner.

1617
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me that didn't First of all,

1618
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 4: if you said that to him, how could he ever

1619
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 4: forget that? Remember I said of having some Tanzanians over

1620
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 4: for dinner? I mean, yeah, So it's like the optics

1621
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 4: of that, I understand for a non hunter are really awful, right,

1622
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 4: But it still kind of makes sense, especially if in

1623
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 4: places where they're not going to get anywhere near that

1624
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 4: amount of conservation money.

1625
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: But you you haven't. Has your career suffered at all?

1626
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: Like did you feel like you lost out on jobs

1627
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: or lost out on gigs or anything. I don't use

1628
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 2: the word gigs. Yes, you can, you can. We're back

1629
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 2: in the eighties.

1630
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 6: Everyone, Yeah, and refer to it as the biz.

1631
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: Please let me tell you about the biz. Look.

1632
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 4: I think that it kind of it probably even out

1633
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: the amount of fans that I lost because of that

1634
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 4: I gained on the other side, you know what I mean.

1635
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: And I feel like, especially like with this book. This

1636
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 4: book is kind of it's something that I don't think

1637
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: anyone else could really write because I do have a

1638
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:01,879
Speaker 4: weird skill set of I don't think that there's any

1639
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 4: comedian hunter, foodies who kind of who do all those

1640
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 4: three things. I think it's like.

1641
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: I know one guy, the simple comedian, hunter, foody. Who

1642
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 3: do you got the one guy that does podcast too pretty?

1643
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 3: He's got a pretty big one, I don't think, but

1644
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 3: the thing doesn't quite qualify as foody. But he likes

1645
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 3: to take pictures of his food and post it to Instagram.

1646
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: He does like to take pictures of his food.

1647
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 4: But I mean, I've interned in Michelin Star kitchens, you know,

1648
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 4: like I've worked in restaurants. I've I'm getting wine certification

1649
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 4: right now.

1650
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: Take that, Rogan. Take that.

1651
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: I like you. I like you where you're coming from.

1652
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, I think mixing those three things

1653
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: is something that that having come out of the closet

1654
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 4: with hunting is what gave me that special skill set

1655
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 4: that I think got me a book deal that was

1656
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 4: able to get. If I was just like, I'm a

1657
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 4: guy who loves food and I'm funny, I don't think

1658
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 4: I would have gotten a book deal. I think it was. Oh,

1659
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 4: this is interesting because he's got all these different weird

1660
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 4: ways of coming about food.

1661
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 6: I find it very interesting that the people in food

1662
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 6: circles have such a wild and wide diet, whereas if

1663
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 6: you're coming from like real rural America, like deep hunting culture,

1664
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 6: it's not it's like very meat and potatoes, right, And

1665
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 6: it's those people who are like, ooh, I'm not sure

1666
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 6: if I'd eat that, whereas I, you know, I just

1667
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 6: cooked a bunch of Canada goose for some folks that

1668
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 6: are not in the hunting circles at all, very removed

1669
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 6: from it, and there was I would say, far less

1670
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 6: hesitation to eating Canada goose on my table. As if

1671
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 6: I would have put even this group of hunters in

1672
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 6: this room down at the table and be like, really,

1673
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 6: Canada goose, you'd be like really, it's like, you know,

1674
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 6: bringing a bunch of spoon.

1675
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 3: Bills to Hawaii, but you know, like you get fence.

1676
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 3: Did you do that? I did that? Yeah twice.

1677
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 2: Now it's like, oh, you brought the scrap ducks. Huh.

1678
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 6: But that always strikes me as as very odd. Right,

1679
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, you'll eat you know, lamb liver and

1680
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 6: rabbits and ducks and eels and you know, over one

1681
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 6: sitting at some fine dining establishment. And then this idea

1682
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 6: of only good money, only pure money, can go to

1683
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 6: pure causes, right when we all know that people are

1684
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 6: just a bunch of freaks and what they do in

1685
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 6: their own homes when people aren't watching like that, then

1686
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 6: being like, oh but we can't have your money because

1687
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 6: of this, right, It's like it's just I mean, it's

1688
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 6: such a just a bizarre this wizar.

1689
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 4: This expression is so tired now, but it's like it's

1690
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 4: virtue signaling, right. It's like they know that it's hypocritical

1691
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 4: to say that because the money that goes into you know,

1692
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 4: they're fine to eat a steak at a restaurant that

1693
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 4: God knows how that poor thing was raised. But then

1694
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 4: this is blood money going into hunting. And in fact,

1695
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 4: I think hunters in a lot of ways are way

1696
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 4: bigger foodies than pretentious foodies are, because like you're saying,

1697
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 4: like you guys were just making a joke about knowing

1698
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 4: the nuances of different species of duck and how they taste.

1699
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 4: I don't think most people would know, like, oh, this

1700
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 4: lamb that I'm eating was from an older animal or

1701
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 4: a younger animal, or it was you know, it was

1702
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 4: killed in this season, or they don't know anything about that.

1703
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 4: You know, you maybe you'll have different grades like a

1704
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 4: five wagoo versus you know, choice or prime. But in

1705
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 4: terms of this stuff that you guys are like students

1706
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 4: of I think it's way more interesting and nuanced in

1707
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,719
Speaker 4: terms of like, oh, I can tell what the diet

1708
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 4: of this animal was based on how it tastes. Like

1709
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 4: that to me seems way more advanced foody than like, oh,

1710
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 4: I just had a five hundred dollars meal at the

1711
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 4: French laundry where you just are like showing, you know,

1712
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 4: you're just going and spending a lot of money and

1713
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 4: having them talk to you about what farm this animal

1714
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 4: was was, you.

1715
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 6: Know what they would wouldn't talk about. We shot a

1716
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 6: turkey this year in Hawaii that its crop was the

1717
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 6: most full crop I've ever seen, and I take them

1718
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 6: all out right, So it's the top end of the

1719
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 6: digestive system for for a turkey.

1720
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got all the rocks and.

1721
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 6: That's the next stage, right, Sorry, but the crops like

1722
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 6: this great little balloon, it's just a grocery bag, yeah, basically. Yeah,

1723
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 6: and uh and it's always super interesting to see what's

1724
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 6: in there. Well, we pull this prop out and it

1725
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 6: is it's enormous to begin with, but it is chalk

1726
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 6: full with absolutely nothing but maggots.

1727
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh he hit the magot, you know you'd get I

1728
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 2: guarantee you as a dead rotten hog.

1729
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 6: No, so, okay, I know I know exactly what it

1730
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 6: was because you could smell it, and I had asked

1731
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 6: about it, and they agriculture operation they had brought in

1732
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 6: a huge load of fish and they had actually they

1733
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 6: actually have like a giant compost pile that they had

1734
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 6: stirred up with this fish to make their own awesome

1735
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 6: super compost. Well, all that fish had been fermenting, and

1736
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 6: the maggots were wriggling out, and so all these birds

1737
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 6: and mongooses and all this stuff was on top of

1738
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 6: that compost pile, and unbeknownst to us, this turkey, of

1739
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 6: course was there doing the exact same thing.

1740
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 3: But chalk full right, And.

1741
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 2: So did the maggots smell like rottenfish?

1742
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 9: No?

1743
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1744
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 6: I was like, this is unbelievable. They were not. Your

1745
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 6: brain wanted wanted that so badly that you had to

1746
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 6: look at it multiple times. I just want to connect,

1747
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 6: but you're mad or your your fancy restaurant guy is

1748
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 6: not going to be like now, this particular turkey came

1749
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 6: came off the big island.

1750
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 2: They sit down, they sit down. So what I have today,

1751
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 2: that's what we have today, is this poach turkey breast.

1752
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I call you the maggot stuffed?

1753
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 2: Maggot stuffed?

1754
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 5: He was on a high protein diet, but the blood

1755
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 5: money thing wasn't necessarily tied to hunting.

1756
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't fully explain

1757
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 2: that that was the argument tied to gun violence. By

1758
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: the way, I love that.

1759
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 4: I spent all this time trying to tell people about

1760
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 4: how hunters are the real foodies and they're the ones,

1761
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:05,440
Speaker 4: and then you start and it was fantastic.

1762
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna tell you about how that's a

1763
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: great insight you had. And I wasn't counting a lot

1764
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: of the knowledge that people have as food knowledge. I

1765
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:15,879
Speaker 1: was counting it as animal knowledge.

1766
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: But if you if.

1767
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: You interpret it as food knowledge, and you measure information

1768
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: in bits as they do, you're right. Hunters have an

1769
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: enormous amount of bits of food knowledge that they think

1770
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: is about animals, meaning that cart right have big ribs,

1771
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: okay or whatever, tastes not always the best. I'd be like, well,

1772
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: that's stuff about fish. You'd be like that' stuff about food. Yeah,

1773
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: because that's a foodie.

1774
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1775
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: They when they see a dozen kinds of fish, they're

1776
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: seeing all this food information. That one's pretty good, that

1777
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: one you gotta fry forever, that one you gotta get

1778
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: all fat off, that one is better this time of

1779
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: year than that time of year. That one don't eat raw.

1780
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: You'll get sick right.

1781
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 8: Even through the butchery phase, like how you need to

1782
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 8: filet that fish to get the bones out, how you

1783
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 8: need what's edible? What's not?

1784
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 4: More advanced foodie than like anything you could learn in

1785
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 4: culinary school.

1786
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Now I'm sorting to think hunters are all snobs.

1787
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Species, those coastal elite.

1788
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 2: Bread elites, you landlocked elites.

1789
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 5: Dan like's being grossed out. Tell them about those ducks

1790
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 5: you shot this year, the ones that were.

1791
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 3: Oh they had rice breast.

1792
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 5: No, no, no, the ones that were eating that cow pasture.

1793
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 3: Oh well there was one and the same Yeah, rice

1794
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 3: braass is it'll kind of it'll gross you out a

1795
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 3: little bit.

1796
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 4: But if you don't like scatological why is this turning

1797
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 4: into gross out?

1798
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. They were just rooting around, as a

1799
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 3: lot of animals and birds do. They were rooting around

1800
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 3: in a cow pasture feeding, And every dock that we

1801
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 3: shot had just a little splotch of cow poop on

1802
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 3: it's the top of it.

1803
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 2: Oh they had been coming from one of those places. Yeah, cool,

1804
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 2: So tell us what else you got going. I got

1805
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 2: the question for you.

1806
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're doing do you have a hunting do

1807
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: you do you do hunting bits. Do you roll hunting

1808
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: bits into your stand up?

1809
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 4: I've done hunting bits in my stand up, yeah, and

1810
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 4: it's always a weird reaction.

1811
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 2: Doesn't It doesn't work?

1812
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 10: Well?

1813
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should do what do one in Billings?

1814
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:37,799
Speaker 2: You'd be fine?

1815
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy? By the way, So I can't.

1816
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 4: I got to Bozeman and I, uh, you know, do

1817
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 4: you guys have a comedy club here? And I was like,

1818
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to be the cool LA

1819
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 4: comic who comes to the little comedy everybody.

1820
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 2: Pops in, pops in really impresses, you know.

1821
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 4: They go, oh wow, we got this big time LA

1822
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 4: comic coming into town.

1823
01:37:58,400 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: So I I.

1824
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,879
Speaker 4: DM them and I'm like, hey, guys, I'm in Bozeman

1825
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 4: wondering if I can get up while I'm here.

1826
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 2: Like who They go, Yeah, Tuesday nights we have our

1827
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 2: open mic. Uh.

1828
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm just going to hike instead.

1829
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 2: If I could have gone down and wash you get up,

1830
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 2: do your.

1831
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 8: Business a little bit behind.

1832
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 3: What the hell's the comedy club? I don't know the

1833
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 3: place last, best place.

1834
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 2: Comedy last that's involved in that outfit.

1835
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wouldn't have been the one that got

1836
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 4: that d m oh, I don't know, but I mean, look,

1837
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 4: it's fine.

1838
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 2: They have an open mic night.

1839
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to perform in an open because then

1840
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 4: you're just performing for other comics.

1841
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: And there had more fun going down there man watching

1842
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: that we would have got me. I would have said,

1843
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: I'd like an old duels and a big old thing

1844
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: of bloody merry mix.

1845
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 2: Man, go down there the hell good time.

1846
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 3: Can you give us a summary of another chapter, fun

1847
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 3: chapter that you really enjoyed?

1848
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 4: Well, I think the chapter that I'm like, I'm I'm

1849
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 4: kind of surprised that I haven't gotten called out on.

1850
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if I should even talk about it

1851
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 4: on the air.

1852
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 5: Go ahead, it's in the book.

1853
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 2: You're afraid to get into something you just published.

1854
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 4: Well, I'm afraid on this podcast because I kind of like,

1855
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 4: because our listeners vulnerable, vulnerable, this is my truth. I'm

1856
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 4: speaking my truth.

1857
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: He whispered to me first, because you get me nervous.

1858
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna say it.

1859
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 4: Was like, I there's a there's there's an allegedly of

1860
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:49,799
Speaker 4: a small chance that I kind of maybe started a tiny,

1861
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 4: very small forest fire.

1862
01:39:53,200 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh that's fine, okay, cool joined the clubs like doing

1863
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 2: something dumb with fire. You've been.

1864
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 3: Support it.

1865
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know many people with a straight

1866
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: face that would tell you they haven't done.

1867
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 2: Like some really stupid fire stuff.

1868
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feel I was holding that. I

1869
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 4: thought the cops were just waiting for me outside here.

1870
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 4: I thought this was like a whole big sting operation.

1871
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 5: Well, as long as it didn't turn into a fire

1872
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 5: that burned one hundred thousand acres.

1873
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 2: You know, have you guys heard of Paradise?

1874
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 4: What is Paradise City? By Paradise City guns and rollses. Yeah, no,

1875
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 4: I forgot that was a huge forest fire. I'm making

1876
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 4: a bad joke.

1877
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that was me. That was

1878
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 3: not it.

1879
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 2: No, No, I was no.

1880
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 4: But I went I went el hunting in New Mexico.

1881
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 4: And I got there and I I went to the

1882
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 4: you guys, you guys know what a ship tent is.

1883
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 4: I can tell you what a ship tent is. This

1884
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 4: is a safe space. It was like a little tiny

1885
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 4: tepee you where you go with a bucket in it. Yeah,

1886
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I'm not good at that stuff.

1887
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I was like, I'm just gonna

1888
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 4: hold my hold it in for a week. I'll be fine, like.

1889
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: A Latvian plug.

1890
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a Latvian plug. And it was so awfully

1891
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 4: disgusting anyway.

1892
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 2: Hunt holding it in that long was no. I went three,

1893
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: So I go three days held in fine.

1894
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 4: Because you don't want to go in a bucket. It

1895
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 4: was not the bucket it was. It was not the bucket, guys.

1896
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 4: It hadn't been changed that. It was the stalactites and

1897
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 4: stalagmites of poop on the bag.

1898
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 2: They're not swapping bags out.

1899
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 3: So you weren't allowed just to go out into the

1900
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 3: woods and dig a hole.

1901
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 4: I would have I would have been fine with that.

1902
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 4: It seemed like that was frowned upon at our elk camp.

1903
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 2: It was illegal. Okay, why it was illegal. But the

1904
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,440
Speaker 2: day that I.

1905
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 4: The the night before I got my elk, we were

1906
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 4: all outside, uh and uh. Some of my friends went

1907
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 4: to my buddy Mow went to go make a phone

1908
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 4: call at an area called the phone booth, which is

1909
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 4: just like a little piece of land.

1910
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,640
Speaker 2: That has reception. You got to like hike out to it.

1911
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 4: And so me and Churchie the outfitter, he was like,

1912
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 4: let's go play a prank on on Mo and my son,

1913
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 4: and we took the car and went to the phone booth. So,

1914
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 4: you know, haha, they could have gotten a ride, but

1915
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 4: instead we drove over there. I smoke a cigar up

1916
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 4: there while I'm.

1917
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: On my foe back up for a second. Sure, they

1918
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: walk to call make a phone call. And the joke

1919
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,799
Speaker 1: is that you drove there. Listen, not all hunters are funny.

1920
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: Churchy thought it was hilarious.

1921
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 3: He's an old man.

1922
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: He's like an old man. He's like, let's go do this, Joe.

1923
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 4: Comedy is hard, Yeah, comedy is hard, but let's go.

1924
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 2: So we do that.

1925
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 4: I smoke a cigar up there, and I hand to god,

1926
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 4: I put this. I put a rock on top, I squeezed,

1927
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 4: I made sure it was out. When it was out,

1928
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 4: and uh, next morning we go out go hunting. I

1929
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 4: get my elk amazing. We get back to camp, I

1930
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 4: go to take a nap and I wake up to

1931
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 4: Mow and he's like, dude, did you put your cigar

1932
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 4: out last at the phone booth yesterday? I was like yeah, why.

1933
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 4: He's like that hillside is like on fire right now.

1934
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 4: I was like, what the hell are you talking about.

1935
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 4: He's like, there's a hillside on fire, exactly where the

1936
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 4: phone booth was. I was like, dude, I put the

1937
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 4: cigar out, and then like all the other hunters come in.

1938
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 4: There was like five of us, and they're like, did

1939
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 4: you smoke a cigar?

1940
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 2: And then I'm just like, I put it out.

1941
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 4: I sort of got it, put it out, and then

1942
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 4: we hear a car coming our way and you know,

1943
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 4: there's no cars at all there, and we hear a

1944
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 4: car coming our way and we're freaking out, and I

1945
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 4: start freaking out and suddenly my inside start turning, and

1946
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,600
Speaker 4: I'd run to the ship tent to hide in the

1947
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 4: shit tent because I think the cops are coming and

1948
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:55,799
Speaker 4: I'm going.

1949
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 5: And they'd never think to look for you there.

1950
01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 3: He wouldn't be in there.

1951
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't like that tent.

1952
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 3: Your insides turning have nothing to do with the plug.

1953
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,879
Speaker 2: It was. It was a it was a twofer.

1954
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 4: I had to go and release myself and also to

1955
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 4: hide from the cops. So I released myself and I know,

1956
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 4: you go in there because you don't like it there

1957
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 4: right exactly, So I just stayed in there.

1958
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:17,640
Speaker 3: It'll still like, this is this is my punishment?

1959
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 5: Where could he have gone?

1960
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 4: Guys, I thought I was gonna go to jail, and

1961
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 4: I was freaking out. So I was like, I'm gonna

1962
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna hide where I would have gotten

1963
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 4: into that goddamn bucket if I needed to.

1964
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 8: We'd have another oh on the podcast experience.

1965
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 4: Anyway, it was another hunter. It wasn't the cops, but

1966
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 4: we ended up they ended up putting the fire out.

1967
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 4: And then, like an idiot who's like, you know, going

1968
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 4: to the scene of the crime, I'm.

1969
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 2: Like, let's go up there see let's see what this fire.

1970
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 2: Let's see what it looked like, what this thing was.

1971
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 4: So we go up there and there's a firefighter there

1972
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 4: and I start talking to him. It's like, yeah, it's

1973
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 4: not a big deal. We do controlled burns that are

1974
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 4: that are bigger than this. I'm like, yeah, so where

1975
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 4: what do you think happened? Like was it a He's like, oh,

1976
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 4: and we know exactly what happened. And there was like

1977
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 4: an X made with axes like where they thought it started.

1978
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, it was it was around here,

1979
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 4: And like I start walking towards there and like my

1980
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 4: phone reception starts coming on and it was like clearly

1981
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 4: the phone booth area. It was like, I mean, well,

1982
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 4: according to Crown Publishing lawyers, allegedly, we have no evidence

1983
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,600
Speaker 4: of that. But the funny part was I took that

1984
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 4: chapter and I asked you for a recommendation for someone

1985
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 4: to like edit my hunting chapters because because I didn't

1986
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 4: want like, you know, facts in there that were off

1987
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 4: about like public land hunts or whatever. And this dude,

1988
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 4: who was a great guy, he called me. He's like,

1989
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 4: you sure you want to publish this.

1990
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 2: My buddy? Yeah? And I was like yeah, He's like

1991
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: all right, good luck, buddy.

1992
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 4: So but uh yeah, it was Uh I learned I'm

1993
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 4: never going to smoke a cigar when I go hunting ever.

1994
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 2: Again. What kind of cigar was it? Backwards King Eddie?

1995
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 2: It was a nice cigar.

1996
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 4: I wish it was not a Swisher. It was a

1997
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 4: something called a Rows of Sharon. Are you familiar with

1998
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 4: a cigar company?

1999
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 3: You can probably just get that in New York or LA.

2000
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 4: No, they're they're made in Texas, Texas cigar made by Vets.

2001
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Well made by vets.

2002
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 3: You know what?

2003
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 5: It might be worse than going in the ship tent.

2004
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 2: What's that is?

2005
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 5: Going on the can in a jail cell?

2006
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 2: I am scared. I'm still scared.

2007
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to jail, especially now that I

2008
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 4: said this on there, because I'm sure you've got a

2009
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 4: bunch of guys who listened to the podcast, who have

2010
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 4: like ham radios, who are like, we've.

2011
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Got a lot of we've got a lot of people

2012
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,560
Speaker 1: involved in the forest fire fighting, Yeah, a lot of

2013
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:44,959
Speaker 1: people involved law enforcement?

2014
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, And where those two areas meet, that intersection

2015
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 2: of law enforcement and forest fire fighting represented.

2016
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 3: If you had just said, you know what, I couldn't

2017
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 3: control and went out and just took a big old

2018
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 3: dump on the surface of the w and left it

2019
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:02,600
Speaker 3: with my toilet paper.

2020
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 2: Toilet paper blowing in the wind.

2021
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: I watched a guy with a spot and sculpe one time,

2022
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 1: me and Helen cho watched the guy. Watched the guy

2023
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: with the spot and sculpe one time going down a trail?

2024
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,520
Speaker 2: Is that? Who else with? Sorry? Was that with Brittany

2025
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 2: going down a trail? He stops. I'm not kidding, man.

2026
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 1: He stops one hundred yards shy of his truck and

2027
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: drops the deuce at the sick stops on the side

2028
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: of the trail, drops the deuce, cleans himself up and

2029
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: proceeds along his way, with the wind carrying strands of

2030
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: toilet paper off through the sagebrush, not even so much

2031
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: as a cat scratch back in the direction, not so

2032
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: much as even like flicking a little dirt.

2033
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Wow. It sounded very poetic though, the way that I

2034
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 2: wish I had had my all in camera dafter around there.

2035
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: And filmed them and put it up on social media

2036
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: with one of those like do you know this guy?

2037
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even you bury your okay, you bury

2038
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 4: your toilet paper, it's still like, I feel like it

2039
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 4: never really biodegrades. How many time you've been to campsites

2040
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 4: and there's just like toilet paper like like just like

2041
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 4: sticking out of the grass ground always.

2042
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Why does that stuff not biodegrade?

2043
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Why do people who walk their dogs bag the dog

2044
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 1: excrement in a plastic bag, tie in and not set

2045
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: it next to the trail and leave it there as

2046
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: though that's better.

2047
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they say that that that I had a

2048
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 4: friend of it a touch like, yeah, it's biodegradable.

2049
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that plastic bag is there.

2050
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna get it later, is what they say themselves.

2051
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've carried a lot of a lot of both

2052
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 6: of these subject matters out of the out of the woods,

2053
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 6: fucking horrible, horrible. But it's just it's my dislike of

2054
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 6: p well in general that fuels my picking up after them.

2055
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 3: It's a very paradox, will clean up.

2056
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Traces of them. Yeah, like they weren't there. Wait, so

2057
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 2: you'll take other people's toilet paper and take it.

2058
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:11,799
Speaker 4: Out of the woods.

2059
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:15,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Wow, that's commitment is a powerful motivator.

2060
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 3: It is.

2061
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 2: It's like when they're doing a State of the Union,

2062
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 2: they should have cal stand up. You know, people come

2063
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 2: down there like and this man picks up other people's excrement,

2064
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 2: cal like, stand up bull.

2065
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 3: The Chambers would give.

2066
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 2: Him a medal if I was president, it'd be the

2067
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 2: only person I named. Check would be call for that.

2068
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 6: Imagine will check this out the situation where you, as

2069
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 6: a hunter would be like that is a poor representation

2070
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 6: of hunters, right, those situations.

2071
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 5: Or outdoor folks in general.

2072
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 6: Right, And it's the and then I'm always traveling around

2073
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 6: with dogs at this point, and yeah, so I pack

2074
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 6: out a lot of a lot of those dog shit

2075
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 6: bags where I'm like, this is just.

2076
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 4: What's wrong with just what's what's wrong with leaving dog

2077
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 4: shit out in the woods.

2078
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 6: So if it's dispersed, like actually truly dispersed, nothing, I

2079
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 6: leave my shit out in the woods.

2080
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 2: If it's if it's thirty piles at the trailhead, yeah,

2081
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 2: that's a problem.

2082
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: That's a problem.

2083
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2084
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of interesting studies too, just like

2085
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:28,560
Speaker 6: with you're familiar with, like human waste and undigested opioids

2086
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 6: and pills and stuff like that. Right, there's a lot

2087
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 6: of studies that show, like dog feces in waterways have

2088
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 6: serious impacts downstream as far as like sterilization of streams

2089
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 6: or promotion of like big algae blooms and things like that.

2090
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Do you do I need a smear dog shit all

2091
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: over your little cast boot there to if I fit in,

2092
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: to find out why you don't like it.

2093
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 4: I don't know why. This is where the conversation has gone.

2094
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 4: I do not feel like.

2095
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,000
Speaker 2: You're arguing in favor of it started.

2096
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 5: It started with a ship.

2097
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Ten.

2098
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 4: I think wolves should be able to ship wherever the

2099
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 4: hell they want, and no one should be able to

2100
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:13,639
Speaker 4: pick up that ship.

2101
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 6: Wolves do ship wherever they want. They mark their territory

2102
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 6: that way. And if you if you're into picking up

2103
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 6: shd antlers, they will ship on a moose antler, like

2104
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 6: a beautiful moose antler.

2105
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 3: They'll ship right on.

2106
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 6: Top of it, as if to say, like, I know

2107
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 6: other things want this, Like you know, dogs love to

2108
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,640
Speaker 6: chew on them, Wolves love to chew on Kyos love

2109
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 6: to chew on it, and they will ship right on

2110
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 6: top of that moose antler.

2111
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 1: Author of Undercooked, available everywhere books are sold. We're gonna

2112
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: play trivia.

2113
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 2: Okay, do you feel that at the connect?

2114
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,879
Speaker 1: At what question do you feel that Phil will inform

2115
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: you that you're out of the game.

2116
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm actually gonna do a lot better than you

2117
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:00,839
Speaker 4: think a question.

2118
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 2: You don't think Phil will say Dan's out?

2119
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

2120
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that as I a lot of weird no

2121
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:14,480
Speaker 3: his cross section of where he's found himself, comedy hunting,

2122
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 3: what was the third one food food?

2123
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 5: I think we should say conversation for trivia and let

2124
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 5: Dan plug his book a little bit.

2125
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 2: Before I plug my book.

2126
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 4: I just want to say to all the cops and

2127
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 4: firefighters listening right now, I am a huge fan of

2128
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 4: law enforcement. You know how many tickets I've gotten out

2129
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 4: of because of Cobra Kai. There a lot of cops

2130
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 4: love Cobra Kai, and I've gotten out of about eight tickets.

2131
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:47,639
Speaker 4: They'll be like from Cora, yeah or I they they

2132
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 4: they will know, but or sometimes like during in the

2133
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 4: beginning of the pandemic, like you have you.

2134
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 3: On your dad, the picture of.

2135
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's my that's my past for the ober Kai set,

2136
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh here's my Driver's like a bunch of wallet sized headshots,

2137
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:07,760
Speaker 2: just pour out of it all. Yeah.

2138
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 4: No, cops love Cobra Kai and I love cops, so

2139
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 4: please don't arrest me.

2140
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Plug the book one more time.

2141
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 4: Undercooked, How I lit food become my life navigator and

2142
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 4: how maybe that's a dumb way to live. You can

2143
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 4: get the book wherever you can. You want your books.

2144
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 4: The audiobook is great. I did the reading of it.

2145
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 4: It's very fun. Do fun voices, a little more fun

2146
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 4: with delivery and whatnot. But yeah, people are loving the book.

2147
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 4: I hope you do. Two very funny standalone essays. I'm

2148
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 4: being called I'm being called the David Sedaris of food writing.

2149
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 2: WHOA bye my mother? So yeah, no, I help you

2150
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 2: enjoy it.

2151
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,559
Speaker 4: I think I think I would love for the hunting

2152
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:54,679
Speaker 4: community to read this book.

2153
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,560
Speaker 2: I really think they'd love it, have I told my

2154
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 2: funny David Sadaras story thinks.

2155
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought we were going to maybe linger

2156
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 3: on dam finally.

2157
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 8: But wow, it's it's beautifully done.

2158
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 2: It's raw.

2159
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 8: I laughed so like, just within the first few pages.

2160
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 8: I probably laughed two dozen times. You're uh. He says

2161
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 8: that footnotes are his love language, which I find hilarious.

2162
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 8: So it's like peppered with little hilarious footnotes. It's it's surprising,

2163
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 8: it's beautifully done, and is what's revealed is your original

2164
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 8: kind of very early connection to food, which is a

2165
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 8: very sad and touching story. And yeah, I mean I

2166
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 8: just I love I love your book.

2167
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:42,839
Speaker 2: Thank you, Karen the David Saris of food writing.

2168
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 5: Wow, you might be you know, Steve's reading his own

2169
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 5: audio books now, might be able to give him a

2170
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 5: few pointers on spruce things up a bit.

2171
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 4: I will say with my book, it's like a very

2172
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 4: like vulnerable, raw book. And I'm like reading these like

2173
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 4: passages that I would be speaking to like a therapist about,

2174
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 4: but instead there's just like a sound engineer, like some

2175
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 4: weirdo sound engineer on the other side of the glass.

2176
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 2: Who was like, Dan, I think you're crying. Can you stop?

2177
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 3: Take that again? Why are you crying?

2178
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 2: We can hear it, we can hear the crying. I'm like,

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01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Just give me a minute.

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01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 4: But it Yeah, No, I love doing the audiobook. It's

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01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 4: it's it's a labor of love because it's a lot

2182
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 4: better when you read your own stuff. It's always weird

2183
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 4: when someone else reads your stuff, I feel.

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01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 6: But I feel like Steve's repertoire for voices is literally

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01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 6: just high pitch and low pitch and normal.

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01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 2: That's three. That's three. I mean, you got that's what

2187
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 2: everyone has.

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01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:44,839
Speaker 7: That's what everyone's got, But he's got a killer Christopher

2189
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 7: walking though.

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01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, high pitch, low pitch, normal and Christopher walking right. Well, congratulations,

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01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, and then again thank you for

2192
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 4: making this happen.

2193
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: Well, tell people how to go find all your stuff,

2194
01:55:58,320 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 1: so if they want to go see you perform, they

2195
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 1: do what.

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01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 4: You can just find me on Instagram. I post everything

2197
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 4: at Stand Up Dan, Twitter at Stand Up Dan.

2198
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Post all your shows there. Yeah, if they want to

2199
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 2: watch you on TV.

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01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 4: They need to get Netflix or steal a Netflix password

2201
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 4: from someone you know and watch me on Cobra Kai

2202
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 4: or on Discovery Plus Rate the Fridge. I am in

2203
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 4: a new movie called The Donor Party that is yeah,

2204
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:28,879
Speaker 4: with Malin Akerman and Rob Cordrey.

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01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2207
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 4: And if I'm in your town, come come see me

2208
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 4: perform at the at an open mic apparently.

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01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Tuesday night of a mic.

2210
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 3: I just followed you on Instagram.

2211
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Stand up Dan, Stand up Dan?

2212
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 4: Undercooked? Undercooked is the book anywhere books are sold? Yeah,

2213
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 4: anywhe books are sold.

2214
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 1: Now if everyone listened, everyone just buys on Amazon. The

2215
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 1: New York Times will bone you on the list because

2216
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: they don't they it's it's it's a long story.

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01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 3: I know, but in the category books by Dana Duke.

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01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 2: It will still kick some ass. Yeah, they will. Thanks

2219
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 2: for coming on, man, thanks for having me.

2220
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.

2221
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 8: You should host a hunting show with the rest of

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01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 8: the folks who blurbed your book on the back. Phil Rosenthal,

2223
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 8: Hassan Minaj, Jimmy O Yang. I think that would be

2224
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 8: an all star team that would be hunters in the field.

2225
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and stay tuned for trivia. On question eight, Phil

2226
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: will say and Dana's audio running.

2227
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm knocking it down, dude. You're like competition, zerial confidence.

2228
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:30,839
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm just playing.

2229
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:31,919
Speaker 2: I'm already playing.

2230
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 9: Right, Oh seal great shine like silvering the sun.

2231
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 2: Right, ride on alone, sweetheart.

2232
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 10: We're done beat this damp horse to death, So taking

2233
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 10: a new one and ride away. We're done beat this

2234
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 10: damn horse today. M hm, So take a new one

2235
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 10: and ride on.

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01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 8: H