WEBVTT - OJ McDuffie and Seth Levit Crossover Flashback Friday, Shula's Last Win 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.880 Practice Rolphis Paffricks touchdown. What a win for this Miami 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:13.680 Dolphin team. Wow? What is up? Dolphins? And welcome to 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.640 the Drive Time Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins official 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.119 podcast network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins, each and 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.880 every day. How's it going everybody? It is Friday? Who 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.560 on that? I am your host, Travis Wingfield and I'm 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.199 here to bring you your daily dose of Miami Dolphins football. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.000 And on today's show, it is Flashback Friday. We are 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:40.120 going to go back to the Dolphins beat that then St. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.520 Louis rams in St. Louis to get into the playoffs. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.800 We're gonna hear from both Seth Levitt and o J 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.839 McDuffie of the Fish Tank Podcast. O J caught a 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.240 touchdown pass and recovered an offensive fumble in that game. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.800 Will get his perspective on Don Shula's final win as 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.160 the head coach of the Miami Dolphins and in his 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.120 brilliant Hall of Fame co chin career. We'll get to 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.839 John congenmi's takeaways, update you on the latest injuries here 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.080 for Dolphins, and rams on Sunday. 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The Friday the final injury report for Dolphins 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.320 and Rams. For the Miami Dolphins relatively healthy. Two players 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.120 listed with game status is The injury report has several 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.120 players on it, but most players were will participants and 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.560 have no distinction as far as their game status. Cornerback 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.240 Jamal Perry's gonna miss the game he has a foot injury. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.440 Did not practice on Friday. He will miss Sunday's game. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.200 Tight End Adam Shaheen is questionable with a shoulder injury 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.840 for the Rams. Check out Miami Dolphins dot com Top 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.079 news for their Friday latest. On Thursday, only one player 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.880 was limited and that was tight end Tyler Higbee, the 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.360 only player on their injury report for Thursday. And before 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.840 we get to the Friday flashback with O J McDuffie 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.520 and Seth Levitt, let's go ahead and hear from John 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.760 con Gemmi his three keys to the game against the Rams. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.919 Number one, staying ahead of the chains. An easy way 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.760 to gain early momentum is to stack positive plays together, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.320 especially for a rookie quarterback making his first NFL starts. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.960 One of the hardest jobs, John says on Sunday will 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.320 be determining the correct play calls at the most critical 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.560 times for coach chan Gaily, the offensive coordinator. He will 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.480 need some blend of run and pass, some things the 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.200 Rams defense has not seen before, and it could create 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.760 for a creative mix of runs, play action and quick 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.360 time thing throws there for quarterback to a tongue of valoa. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.880 Number two control Aaron Donald and company, Where's number nine 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.320 and how many bodies will take to slow him down? 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.040 That's usually the first question in the offensive meeting rooms 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.040 when facing the Rams and arguably the best player in 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.080 the league, and Aaron Donald, says John the Dolphins offensive 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.720 line cannot allow Donald to build on his eight sacks 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.720 and six tackles for lost this Sunday. Doing whatever it 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.280 takes to slow him down is what's required when facing 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.000 such a dominant player. John writes number three, flipping the field. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.440 My feeling this week, John says, is that in order 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.720 for the Dolphins to win, they must be successful on 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.240 early downs on offense and somehow get Rams quarterback Jared 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.400 Goff to turn the football over. So if you guys 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.040 want to read all of John's three takeaways, the entire 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.080 article up on Miami Dolphins dot com, it's there for you. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.760 As he writes every single Thursday here on Miami Dolphins 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.320 dot com. And it's now my favorite time of the week. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.720 I don't know, I want, I don't want to make 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.840 their heads too big. We'll call it my second favorite 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.800 podcast of the week, The Fins Flashback when I welcome 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.960 in the co host of the Tank podcast, O J McDuffie, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.280 Seth Lovitt Fellas, what's going on to be here? Man, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.000 don't don't apologize. This can be your favorite. There's no 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.840 shame in that, man, there's no shame. But second to 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.080 his though, I think it's I think we're second to his, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.760 but his his work. This is a labor of laws, right, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.599 and you can't make our heads any bigger. Juice and 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.919 I were talking off air about his his wife and realty, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.920 and he said that he's she is his his quarterback. Now, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.080 I said, hey, you can call her your favorite quarterback 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.240 of all time and he said, yeah. Now that Dan's 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.039 not throwing me footballs anymore, I don't have to worry 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.800 about upsetting him. So there you go, right, So we're 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.880 gonna flash listening. It keeps me, keeps us better at 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.600 home to you know what I mean. Dan is not 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.920 cooking dinner, He's not you know, he's not doing work 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.320 around the house, you know. So yeah, she's my my 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.440 number one quarterback, A long time married man right there 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.600 speaking known exactly the language to go ahead and use 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.000 on that, because stuff. The reason we have these guys 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.920 on today is because we're gonna flash this thing back 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.640 a game against the St. Louis Rams, as the Dolphins 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.920 will welcome in the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday to 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.000 hard Rock Stadium for two a tongue of Iloa's first 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.360 NFL start as the Dolphins look to get over five 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.680 hundred for the first time in the coaching career of 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.480 Brian Flores. And the reason we're doing this game fellows 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.720 one because Jews played in it, and too because it 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.440 was the last win in the illustrious career of Don Shula. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.279 And I want to start there with you, Juice and 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.200 ask you, you know, were you guys, Did you guys 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.560 ever think about the win total for Shula going for 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.760 the records? Is that kind of something you guys had 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.360 in the back of your mind or was it just 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.880 one play of time, one series, one game, or was 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.520 there a bigger picture of things that you thought about. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.279 You know, I didn't know much about the record books, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.280 especially when it came to the Dolphins or anybody involved, man, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.039 But it was always about trying to get a win. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.200 You know. We never talked like the teams do nowadays 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.719 about going one and over this week, But we always 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.640 just want to look at the next opponent, whore who 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.279 were playing. It's kind of the same motto of playing, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.520 you know, uh, you know, trying to go one and 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.640 oh for the week. And so any time we got 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.800 out here and we gotta win, you know, it was 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.320 always important. We had such a u such a I 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.040 don't know if it's an arrogance about us that we 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.640 knew that we're gonna be competitive every single game we 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.400 go off to and win a lot of games. We 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.560 also knew that we're gonna make playoffs, so it was 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.479 all about going out there trying to win the division, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.359 win every single game at home or whatever. But you know, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.760 every single win that we won, it was nice to 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.080 see a stack up on on on shoeless Tally, you know, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.320 And I'm sure he appreciated, but he wasn't even thinking 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.280 about it either. He was we're gonna get that record. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.240 He's gonna get that record no matter what. But no 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.840 matter what, it was week by week, game by game, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.359 trying to get onto the next phase and you know, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.520 and trying to get into the playoffs. And it would 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.160 go down to shoot seven career win in that game. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.360 The season finale against the St. Louis Rams. Different back 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.320 then because now you finished the season against a division 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.039 opponent every single year in Week seven team, But back 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.120 then an interconference game, I forget how the phrasing on 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.760 that works. Playing across the conference against the Rams and 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.320 we were trying to figure out a game to do. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.600 Four flashback here, and I was thinking about sixteen, the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.080 two touchdowns late in the game to come back and 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.120 win that game. But a lot of those guys are 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.800 still playing, so it's hard to get them on the 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.240 podcast here. So we're going back. And that was right 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.400 before you got to Miami, right Seth. Yeah, well I 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.440 was right before I got back to my Yeah, so 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.640 obviously grew up down here, but I was working with 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.840 the Cleveland Cavaliers at that point in time. The only 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.440 thing that in my first connection with o J as 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.240 I drove to Cincinnati and watched o J catch a 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.040 game winning touchdown in the fourth quarter there in front 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.880 of all his his Ohio wands, and I think I 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.760 sat up there in the chief seats with with your 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.040 family all all the way back up there wherever Harvey 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.840 stuck us. But at this point in time, I was 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.679 just a fan, just keeping an eye on the team. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.920 And and like you said, I think at that point, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.960 you're just counting the wins for coach Schula to know 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.960 that he's just further, He's putting more, more and more 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.640 distance between him and anybody else who's going to coach 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.720 just one of those records never expected to be broken. Um, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.280 and and you love to see as a fan at 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.880 that point, you love to see Danny throwing it around 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.440 and hitting o J and hitting Friar and putting points 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.920 on the board. Hey o J. Speaking of of the 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.000 Ohio days and going back up to college. Um, you know, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.000 the way I watched Penn Stay football games has kind 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.480 of changed since I met you. And I know the 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.520 last Saturday didn't go your way, But does that take 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.960 away some of the shine from from tomorrow's game against 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:29.000 the buck Eyes? Hell, no way, no way. You know, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.080 we're back in and we beat the buck Eyes, you know, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.920 and that's an important game again against those guys, you know, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.439 and you know we you know that game was as 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.080 a rough game. We didn't play very well. We didn't 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.320 deserve the win in my opinion. But whenever we're playing 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.640 against those those those buck Eyes, man, it's always huge 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.160 for us. And who knows how much we look ahead 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.920 past Indiana to get to that point. But anytime you 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.520 get a chance to play against team that's perennial top five, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.880 top three, you know, been number one in the country, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.600 you know, every single year for last fifteen years, it's 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.280 it's important and they've dominated the big ten. So you 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.040 get those opportunities. It's it's it's it's it's it's huge 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.280 for us and our boys be ready for for a 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.160 great as usual or how State team. That's the kind 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.640 of response I was expecting. Hell, no, I'm not. There's 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.640 no shine away from that game whatsoever. It's it's funny 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.440 you say that because we had Miles Gascon on the 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.640 podcast a couple of weeks ago, and I was all 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.000 charged up to ask him about the Apple Cup and 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.240 how Washington Huskies perceived that game. Was I'm sitting here 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.160 wearing my Cougar's hat right now, and he basically said, like, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.040 you guys are step child man, like Utah Oregon, those 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.600 are the ones that matter. We don't give a crap 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.400 about the freaking the Cougars. Like I guess you lose 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.600 seven straight Apple Cups. That's what that's how it becomes. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.960 But that's it's it's rough that way, man, And I 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.440 think Ohio State has treated everybody in the big tent 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.280 that way. You know for the last probably twenty years 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.559 now you speak doing Michigan that we're back and forth, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.160 but now Ohio State is like they're a creamat the 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.280 crop and everybody's you know, trying to get to where 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.040 they're at, especially in the Big Tent, but you know, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.560 even nationally as well. So that's what we're that's what 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.400 we're aiming for. So anytime we get a chance to 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.640 play them at home, it's not the white out like 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.959 we're used to having, you know, which is always a 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.520 difference maker at night there on with you know, late 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.080 in October with the all white out crowd was always 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.600 an advantage for us. So it's going to be, you know, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.560 are we better them or are they going to you know, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.800 continue to their dominance. Well, it's the Big Ten being back. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.840 I said on Twitter last Saturday that it just made 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.240 me feel like college football was finally back, because there's 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.680 something about those October gloomy Big Ten games that you 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.400 just can't replicate. And I was back home in Washington 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.559 stay and it was like thirty degrees that Saturday too, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.840 so I was like, this is this is where I'm comfortable. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.880 This is my my football comfort zone. Next week we 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.360 get the Pack twelve, So go Coog's baby back on 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.679 the football field. We already had the SEC previously. And 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.720 that's my shameless transition here into a topic about a 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.560 play in this Dolphins Rams game. Getting back on track here, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.560 Oh Ja, you recovered a fumble in this game, and 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.000 I wanted to The reason I mentioned the sec with 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.160 with old Miss and DK Metcalf was he made that 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.760 play on Sunday night that everybody's talking about where he 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.439 ran a hundred yards and ran down Buddha Baker of 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.440 Washington the Washington Huskies. He ran him down and made 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.840 a touchdown saving play that kept seven points off the board. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.600 Now my question for you, o J is when you 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.280 see an interception when you're on offense. I saw I 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.760 was looking at you on the replace. I'm like, I 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.640 want to see how juice reacts to this, and you 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.440 booked it over to the guy that picked off the ball. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.960 Is that mindset like this dude's not gonna get any 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.120 yards on the interception return? Like, what's your mindset when 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.480 the quarterback throws a pick? Yeah, I'm looking for a 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.880 big hit. I'm looking for a big hit right there, man, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.120 I'm trying to get me something, you know what I mean? Like, Uh, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.600 you know, as a wide receiver, you very seldom get 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.080 an opportunities to get a big hit on somebody. But 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.240 you know when that happens, and I wasn't the one 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.920 that calls the fumble there, but I was there on 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.360 the spot. You know. When I played at Penn State, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.440 if you look back, you know the immaculate reception by 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.680 Franco Hares. Joe Paterno takes credit for that. He's always 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.040 telling everybody to go to the ball, go to the ball, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.280 so he thinks that Franco was saying, you know, go 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.840 to the ball, go to the ball, and that's how 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.160 he was able to make that cats. You know, so 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.280 anytime the always turned over. I'm just so used to 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.439 flocking torts of footballs. I had a touchdown with Charles 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.280 Jordan's inside the five, and I picked up against the 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.240 Jets and went into the end zone and score with it. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.400 You know. I ran a DV down against the Chicago 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.960 Bears one time and poked it out, you know, and 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.360 we got that interception. So it's just always about going 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.920 to the ball. So you just never know what's gonna happen. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.400 When when the football is in somebody's hands, you need 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.120 to go to it because as we know, football's bounced 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.840 oddly a lot of times, so you better be ready 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.560 to make a play on it. Yeah, it's like a 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.960 it's like a mindset, right, Like that's that's how you play, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.160 that's how you train. You treat every play and every 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.480 down the same. And I have to imagine that's that's 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.120 kind of what goes into that right. Absolutely, mean you 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.480 just never know. You want to be there support if 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.560 I gotta throw a block, if I gotta recover phone ball, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.360 if I gotta do whatever I have to do. You know, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.120 that's what it's all about. So always, always, always just 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.160 go to the football Seth. You're always the one that 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.880 kind of helps provide some some background to your guests 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.000 for o J. Because he's not going to brag about 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.400 himself ever, but you always been a pretty good job. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.160 He's just telling the truth. He's a spitting facts. You're 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.880 the one that comes in at if it's true exactly. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:05.920 You're the one that comes in with the superlatists. I 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.880 wanted to ask you, like it was was there a 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.880 moment that to find O J's career for you and 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.760 o JAM. Sorry this is awkward for you being on 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.640 the call right here, but was there a moment that 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.679 really defined who o J McDuffie was to you? Wow? 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.040 So I don't know if I could point to one 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.520 specific moment, but I I, well, actually I take that back. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.960 It's funny when he just said, how you know he 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.200 was trying to get a hit in. I never forget. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.120 And I think we talked about it last time against 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.520 the Jets on that punt return and that you signaled 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.400 fair catch and in those days, and the guys looking 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.560 back for the ball and sees o J fair caught 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.079 the ball and he wants to make sure he can 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.160 try and down it. And the guy turned his head 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.920 and o J laid him out. And you know, we 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.319 heard Dan Marinos say that this is the toughest player 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.720 he ever got in the huddle with. And I think 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.480 just the physical nature of the way o J approached 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.600 the game is something that that defined his career in 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.679 so many ways. That and uh, there's no way that 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.440 any of us could forget the spin the first thing, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.360 you know, third down and whatever it is, Juice was 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.360 gonna find a way to get open. And when he 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.160 made that first down, he's gonna let you know that 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.400 he did. And then you know everybody likes to signal 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.960 first down. Juice would just leave that thing spinning. Yeah, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.640 some people want to they want to kick it, said 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.360 they want to play it. They didn't. They hated that. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.880 That's yeah, it was on this point for a long 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:28.440 time to taunting, right, I mean it is anymore? Man, Yeah, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.720 well you didn't. You didn't have a spin in this game. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.600 Maybe you did. I didn't see it on the replay, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.520 but you did have a very emphatic spike on that 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.760 turf out there in in St. Louis. And we were 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.640 talking about this again off air a little bit. I 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.800 was curious because you catch a little slant route in 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.520 between three monsters and let's let's actually go ahead and 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.760 start there, because you catch this pass in between a 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.440 trio of RAMS defenders and on the on the highlight, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.840 you go out of frame and Dan just sticks that 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.840 thing in there and I see a collection of RAMS players. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.800 I'm like, I hope juice comes out of this thing alive. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.200 Of course you did, and you caught the touchdown. Like 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.720 back then, it was different, man, going up into the 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.840 middle of the football field was different than it is now. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.720 What was that like, Man, Like, did you was that 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.680 ever in the back of your mind like footsteps or 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.320 here comes the big shot? It wasn't just I'm going 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.440 to catch the ball. I don't care what happens. Yeah, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.560 I mean, that's the thing. That's a great point there, Travis, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.040 because no matter what catch it or drop it, you're 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.680 gonna get lit up most of the time, you know 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.280 what I mean, So you might as well go ahead 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.360 and make the catch. So for me, it was always 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.120 a focus on the football, you know, in the football alone, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.280 and then I worry about that everything else afterwards. Um. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.040 So you know, especially if Danny's trusting you and and 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.560 throwing the ball in there like that, Um, I think 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.680 in that player, I'm not I think on that player. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.640 I think Danny might have made that play call to 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.080 give me an opportunity to, you know, to to make 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.560 that that that catch. But man, once you get that 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.680 opportunity and he's throwing it, Tam and he's actually saying, look, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.800 I'm throwing the ball. Team, you have to make that 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.800 play no matter what. But guys are gonna light you 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.160 up no matter what. Back then, they're a little a 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 lot safer. Now guys aren't getting hits as as they 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.040 used to when I play. But back then, if I 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.840 dropped it, caught it, whatever, I was gonna get lit 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.440 up anyway. So I might as a way to made 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.400 me catch and that was my mentality all the time 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.760 over the middle, you know, down the sideline, whatever it was, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.520 just go for the ball because you're gonna get hit regardless. Yeah, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.160 that that was That was one of the things that 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.200 really was the selling point for football at that age 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.680 was was the big hits and how can guys you know, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.680 lay the lumber to receivers and offensive players alike. And 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.120 also in the nineties was Dan Marino and man on 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.600 that highlight, there was a couple of plays where I 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.000 was just watching it, like, this guy can still drop 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.360 that release and just get it out in a second. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.760 It never changed for him. It was so much fun 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.400 to watch. Another player in that game who's a little 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.480 bit legendary, reminds me of the nineties, was on the 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.880 other side of the football and Isaac Bruce and they 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.680 said on the replay that that was his ninth yard 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.160 game of the year, a Rams record at that point, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.440 very early on in his career. But after your touchdown, Juice, 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.680 you did this emphatic, you know, kind of windmill type 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.480 of spike where you sent the ball off the turf 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.520 and that thing must have punctured the ceiling there at 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.560 the at the A Stadium because I think went flying 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.680 up into the air. And what I wanted to ask 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.199 you about was later in the game, Isaac catches a 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.880 touchdown and he did the exact same spike. Was that 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.520 one of your guys? The celebration was it like, Hey, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.000 You're not gonna do that in my house? Like what 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.680 happened there? But you know, Isaac was a local kid, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.000 you know, growing up down here in South Florida, So 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.760 he's he's probably trying to emulate the old guy, even 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.639 though it's not I went that old at that point, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.919 you know, trying to get his little spike in, especially 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.040 after you know that they're seeing how you know, I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.159 had a couple of catches in that game, so you 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.679 know I talked I've talked to him a couple of times, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.119 and who knows how, you know, was that imitation is 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.800 the greatest form of flattery. That's what I'm feeling like 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.600 right there in that situation. So, but what a great 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.480 player was mean when I was looking back at this game, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.640 you talk about games in a season that's that's that's unbelievable, 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.000 you know what I mean? And he was yards in 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.200 this game along right. I also saw in that game 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.320 where he had a little chat with his buddy Calvin 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.920 Jackson on the sideline. There two dealer boys, you know guys, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.280 and you know, so I know Calvin was like, man, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.920 stop that. You know, he was children as that game 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.719 now he yeah, he got off and that's that's kind 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.439