WEBVTT - Undercover Newton: William Chaloner 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:05.080 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zaren zaren Yo 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.160 over here, right, we got my hand up over here. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.119 Elizabeth, Hi girl, how you doing doing well? Man? 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:12.959 Oh? You straight? I'm fine. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:13.400 Listen. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.160 I need to know what's ridiculous. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.640 Oh, sit down, I got something that's going to buckle 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.200 your knees. I don't want you to get hurt. I 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:27.520 heard about this woman. Oh Don Brook, she got pregnant. Okay, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.520 she got She is the. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.600 Oldest congratulations or I'm sorry to hear that kind of 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.839 like that, but she either basically it were really for 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:35.279 real though. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.480 She's the oldest person to ever get pregnant without IVF 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.879 or donor eggs. Oh how old those persons get pregnant 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.040 with the in vitro fertilization. The IVF was seventy three? 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.159 Whoa seventy three with IVF? They intentionally said, can we 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.720 get something going in here? And they're like, with enough 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.760 drugs into my ivfs? Yes they did? 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:54.240 Wow? 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.720 Right, but this person, Don Brook, Yeah, in twenty seventeen 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.560 gave birth and was at the age. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.200 Of fifty nine. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:03.560 Wow. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.400 No iv body went through menopause. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:07.959 Elizabeth, Oh wait, she did well? 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.240 Obviously not did went into menopause, went through menopause, and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.560 then started taking a hormone replacement therapy. Yeah, and that 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.479 can kick start the system where it started producing eggs. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.400 Dropped an egg that was still kicking inside. I guess 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.400 it was all the way live got in, it got exminated. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:35.720 Now like a ten year old boy, she's sixty nine. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.520 Kid, I guess he's seventy because you got the nine 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:35.680 ten months older. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.680 You are older when it's born. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.680 But I'm telling it to no. I mean like she's now. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.480 She was fifty nine when she had the kid. Sixty 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.000 nine now, but can you believe it? 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.280 She was? She got thought she was out, and they 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.600 dragged her back down with like we're gonna give you 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.040 this therapy. It's gonna be good for you. She's like, doctor, 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.200 I am pregnant. Would you stop it? I am a 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.960 fifty nine year old woman. I don't made this nonsense. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.320 Oh y nonsense. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.400 Wow, that is ridiculous nonsense us. Do you know what 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:02.280 else is ridiculous? 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.520 I was hoping you'd tell me. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:28.639 Sir Isaac Newton Fighting Crime what this is? Ridiculous Crime? 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.200 A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heis and cons 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.440 it's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.120 percent ridiculous. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.160 I know you heard that. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.639 You did. You watched that Netflix hit Peaky Blinders, Right? 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:45.440 I love that one. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.120 I loerve that show. I love it, especially when Tom 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.280 Hardy came on. Yes, look at how freely I can 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.360 talk about television. I'm like, hi on, all I do 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.280 is talk about TV. Tom Hardy was fantastic. But let's 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:00.560 give it up for killing Murphy. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:01.760 Yes, of course the best. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.760 I've been a fan of his since The Wind That 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.760 Shakes the Barley, which, if you haven't seen it, fantastic film. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:11.000 But anyway, Peaky Blinders takes place in Birmingham, England, after 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.160 World War One. In the show, it's this gritty industrial 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:21.280 city with a dirty underbelly of crime. Yeah, the Peaky Blinders, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.600 the eponymous gang in the show is based on a 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.200 real gang from the late eighteen hundreds. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.840 Aren't all based on gangs in the show? Aren't the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.760 all the gangs in the show based on gangs yet? 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.520 Yeah? And there's a movie coming out, by the way, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.120 It starts filming in September of this year. Let's go 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.760 crush the set. We should record an episode from the 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:47.600 set while Chase. Yes, but it's the movie's supposed to 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 wrap the whole thing up anyway. Birmingham, so it was 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.640 tough in real life back then, and apparently it was 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.200 tough even before then, hundreds of years before then. I mean, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.040 settlement in Birmingham goes back to eight thousand BC. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.280 Does it really? Yeah, that's not a Roman settlement. No, No, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:05.880 I was assumed so many of the big cities. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.480 Of Roman settlement they had their own thing. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:08.920 I know they did, I just didn't know. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.520 I'm talking though about the sixteen hundreds, mid to late 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.120 and so at that time it was known as the 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.200 counterfeiting capital of England. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.320 What counterfeiting, Oh, I was like like you were talking 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.000 like countertops, like they were fitting counters. Like there's pipe fitters, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.280 there's counterfeitters. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:34.240 They like there's something head but like marble countertop. Anyway, Yeah, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.560 it was badfitters. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.320 So money fakers, I got you counterfeits. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.400 I mean. It was also at that time that a 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.440 kid from just outside of town in Warwickshire was born 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.799 to a family of weavers name of William Chilloner. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.640 Okay, William Chillona. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:56.480 Yeah, Chu Loaner Challoner, little homie was a bad one. Really, yeah, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.559 he got into all sorts of troubles. So his parents 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.479 shipped him off to the big city Birmingham to become 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.640 an apprentice nail maker, not like at a nail salon. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.760 But the nails are using construction like the old bang. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.320 Bang Yeah, and you're handmaking nails exactly. A lot of 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.320 them are going into the of horses. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:17.760 Right, So he was not doing acrylics. They sent They 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.600 sent him off to Birmingham a k A brum yeah, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.479 AK a city of a thousand trades a k A 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:26.560 O one two one? 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:27.320 Are you for real? 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.400 Aka Second City aka the pen Shop of the world 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.960 AK Venice of the North. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.720 Second City. They're the Chicago of. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.560 That aka Workshop of the world. Yeah, they're the Venice 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:37.080 of the North. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.440 So no one call, No one calls them like b 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.599 Ham or bro How. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.320 Sure they do? I don't know. This is just what 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:46.680 Wikipedia calls anyway, that's the list on Wikipedia. So they 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.719 send him off to the city, praying that he'll. 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.480 Straighten up and fly right make good nails. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.680 Yeah, well, they like you go out and make your living, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:55.039 make and. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.520 Nails with metal. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.920 But no, no, no, this was the counterfeit in capital 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.760 of it, like working with paper and here's a young 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.600 man of mischief and no integrity. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:06.479 Oh yeah, perfect. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.359 So he of course fell in with a group that 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:09.920 made counterfeit groats. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:11.359 Groats, groats. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.960 Look at the look on your face, Elizabeth, not groats 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:15.599 that are grain. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.080 That's what I was, That's what my face was doing. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:24.520 Yeah, counterfeit grains are intriguing to me. Like saw rolls 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.880 up a little bit. These are coins and they're made 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.960 of silver, and then originally they were all four pence, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.039 but then some were eightpence and others were shilling. A 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.520 pence is basically a penny shillings twelve of those. So 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.120 so there's William making fake coins instead of nails. Tricky. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.640 I'm still working with the metal mak Yeah. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.680 Either way, bang bang groats. They first showed up in 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.400 England in the twelve hundreds and by the sixteen hundreds 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.440 they still weren't very refined. They're basically handmade. Edges are 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.440 rough and while they're supposed to be silver, it wasn't 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.200 always pure. What I'm trying to say is that they 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.680 were super easy to counterfeit. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:02.520 That's what it sounds like. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.640 Yeah, the fakes. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.320 Sounds like they're just like flattened bottle caps. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.200 That's a lot of them look like that. The fakes 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.240 were either not silver at all, or they had just 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.720 a little in there which had been taken from clips 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.840 around the edges of real coins because they weren't super 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.240 smooth on the edge, and so the weight would be 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.560 just slightly off. But you can clip enough off of 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:26.160 a coin to make another coin. William did this for 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.440 a while in Birmingham. He basically like apprentice. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.320 Literally shaving profits. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.240 Yeah, exactly. But he wanted to go straight. He wanted 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.640 to get a real gig doing honest metalwork. 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:36.320 He did. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.560 Yeah, so he went to London on foot. He walked 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.600 to London. Now today, if you wanted to walk from 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.960 Birmingham to London, Google Maps tells you it'll take forty 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.960 hours work week. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:50.760 That real. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.280 Yeah, that's what it said. Did it take him that 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.760 long or did it longer? Historians, keep your answers to yourself. Okay, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.840 I'm going to say it took him longer. Let's double it. 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.040 So so however you slice it, it's like one hundred 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:02.960 and fifteen miles. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.880 Wow, I just know you can do it legally because 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.000 they have all those rules about you. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.960 To someone's yard and be like sorry, trade brow. Yeah, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.239 so he did. He did this in the sixteen eighties. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.440 He's in his thirties, you know. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.880 Good for him in his thirties. Yeah, he still hasn't 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.960 made good yet. Huh. I mean, I'm not judging him. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.040 He had no judgment. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.400 He's just knocking about looking for something that you call 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:23.720 his own. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:24.640 Well, he gets to London. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.480 He's not getting married till he's got something in life, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:27.840 right this period of time. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.240 Right, So he gets to London, he's like, hey, fellas, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.160 I'm here to work on metal, and everyone just like 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.600 stares at him. Come to find out there's a guild 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.520 system in place. Yeah, they're just sworn in. They're tight knit. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.679 And he's aged most of it. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.760 You got to be granted work at the behest of 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.840 the crown. That's William, the third bo hit. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.040 Got a license and stuff. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.600 Yeah, So here's William. He's new in town, he's iced 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.520 out from his profession. He needed work. He found it 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.920 in japanning And that's the fake version of East Asian 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:57.640 lacquer work. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:58.360 Yeah. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.800 So, like the real stuff at the time was super 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.600 popular and also super expensive and so and the real 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.760 stuff is used by coating objects like furniture, jewelry, bobbles 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.440 and such with like a thick coating made from the 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.199 sap of the toxicodendrum vernick flum tree. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.160 Like a super strong lacker. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.679 Yeah and so, and then they'd be like in lays 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:25.880 of precious materials in the design. Well, like that tree 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.160 didn't grow in England or the rest of Europe for 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.920 that matter, so they made do with an enamel paint, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.120 usually black tree or something. And in Europe they did 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.040 the same thing, but they used a shellac and it 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:37.480 came in. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.200 Like greens and blues and reds. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.040 Japan Ors could make pieces on the cheap and then 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.960 sell them as the real deal for. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.440 The the sun exactly. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.520 And that's that's what William did. He also got married 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.440 and he had kids and just lived his life. He 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.800 did try other businesses. One source said that William also 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:04.240 got work making quote, ten watches with dildo's in them. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.200 I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to run that. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.360 You say he made ten watches, Elizabeth, why would I 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.800 want to watch a bit of tin? But what was 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.920 the part of it? 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.920 Also, I'm going to let you thank the ages that 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.880 I'm not about to tell you a picture of it. Yes, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.439 So okay, when we say dildo in the sixteen hundreds, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.160 what we really mean is dildo exactly as we used 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:34.120 it to say. So, Kieran Kanliffe wrote for Headstuff in 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.560 a footnote on an article about William Chill owner quote. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.120 Dildo's had been available in England since at least the 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.280 time of Shakespeare, but had increased in availability over the 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.720 previous decade, mostly in the form of Italian imports. A 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.600 popular ballad of the day, Signor Dildo, drew a link 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.480 between this and the arrival of Mary of Modina, the 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.680 Italian wife of King James the second. Can I read 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.199 to you from that popular ballad of the day. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.599 Oh you got some lyrics of mister Dildo dravus? You 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.080 got it? Bar please hit me? 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.200 So it begins, you ladies of Mary England who have 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.880 been to kiss the Duchess's hand, pray, did you not 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:21.240 lately observe in the show a noble Italian called Senior Dildo. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.640 This signor was one of the Duchess's train and helped 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.839 to conduct her over the main But now she cries 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.000 out to the Duke, I will go I have no 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:37.000 more need for signor dildo. Where there's this verse. Yeah, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.560 the good lady Suffolk, thinking no harm, had got this 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.520 poor stranger hid under her arm. Lady Betty, by chance 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.360 came the secret to know and from her own mother, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.200 stole senior dildo from her own mother. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.120 Yes, do see proof positive my theory. We always been 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.960 the same taking a dilda from her mom. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.360 We've always been the same. What the he be freaky? 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:02.360 Have always been free. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.120 People always act like I can't believe you know, I 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.839 don't want to be like whatever they want to. These 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.680 formers like propriety right. People think like I know I 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.000 want to I don't want to have inappropriate this or 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.920 inappropriate that. I'm like, Look, I hate to tell you this. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.480 Everyone always grass and gross and freaking. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.720 Two things everybody is which is corny and freaky. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.520 Let me give you another another verse. Doll Howard, no 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.800 longer with his highness, must range, and therefore is proffered 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.840 this civil exchange. Her teeth being rotten, she smells best 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:39.199 below and needs must be fitted for senior dildo. Honestly, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.040 most of the other verses, and there are a lot 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.600 of them, are way too filthy for me. To read 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.720 to you. Yes all. Poetry dot Com gives this assessment, 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.200 quote Senior Dildo stands as a unique and controversial example 0:12:55.320 --> 0:13:00.440 of restoration poetry, challenging contemporary norms of propriety and offering 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.080 a glimpse into the libertine culture of the English court. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.320 Say it again for the row and back. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.520 So back to Williams. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.640 Libertine times then and our problems now. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.920 Was like, he's he's apparently making watches with dildo's in them. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.679 I do not know how that works. And googling was 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.720 so unhelpful, like, don't google quote dildo watch. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.520 I just want to know how big these are big watches. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.960 Don't or watch dil don't don't just yeah, I tried 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.720 dildo time pieces as people because watch dildo dildo watch 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:39.960 was like boyl yeah no, I mean it's like I'm 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:44.240 host situation. So dildo time piece. I mean I did 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.240 find one a historical article, but it was no help. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:53.160 I want to see the FBI anyway. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:53.720 That's what he. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.480 Was up What the heck? 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.599 Like, that's what okay, So that's why that's what he 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.040 was up to for a while in London. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.240 Oh good for him. I meant he did well. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.120 Yeah, and apparently it was a brisk business, I tell you. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.160 But then he moved on to other scams. Really yeah, 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:16.080 that he could have retired as a tildo time piece crafter. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.960 He got into the early snake oil biz and he 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.880 sold phony plague cures because you know, they're not going 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.320 to come after you and it doesn't work rip. And 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.280 then he got into fortune telling and like so he 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.040 and this associate would steal things from people and then 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.920 they would go to them and offer to use their 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.960 psychic powers to find the item for a cost. You know, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.520 They're like, give us, like, however much money and I'm 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.200 sure we can, like, oh, we robbed my temples. I 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.920 think I know where it is. In sixteen ninety, that 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.840 game came to an end because like someone was on 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.720 to him and his pal with the theft thing, and 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.160 they went to the authorities. So William he had to 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.840 go into hiding, and exactly he he ditched his wife 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.600 and kids forever he never saw them again. And it's 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.040 not like he left the country or the city. He 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.520 was just like, I gotta go into hiding. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:11.160 Cross the street. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.160 He's like, He's leave you in the dildo watch in 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.160 a farewell. So he hit out for a while and 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.400 then he crossed town. He sold us clothing for a while, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:22.960 clothing and. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.200 Then not like it like not like a store where 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.960 it's like nice, use clothing, this is like it's not warm. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.400 Yeah, so maybe it was. At the same time he 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.280 did a mini apprenticeship under a guy named Patrick Coffee 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.040 who is a goldsmith. Okay, so now we're in sixteen 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.800 ninety one. Sure, what a year I remember it well? 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.440 Oh man, what with me being old because I remember 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:43.280 cassette tapes. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.760 Oh and we just survived that second ice Age, that 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.560 little mini ice age. It's been rough. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.120 So like at this point William has ditched the vintage 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.680 tunic and stockings trade and gone all in on counterfeiting. Really, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.080 this is a big move. It's it's one thing to 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.760 dupe people dying of the plague, but counterfeiting was something else. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.680 Are still alive, right, But in. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.920 Those days, counterfeiting was treason and they could get you 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.080 by the government. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.680 Oh yeah, hang them high capital crimes against the crown. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.720 And that was for men, right, men would get hanged. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.720 For women who were caught making fake coin, the punishment 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.200 was worse. They were burned at the stake, and like, well, 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:25.400 because they're women, the I guess, and the government they're 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.240 just like, you know, these foul women, let's just burn 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.880 them up, but let's do let's do it nicely. They 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.720 thought they would have this humane way to do it. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.400 They would tie a rope around the woman's neck so 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.200 that they could like strangle her before she's fully engulfed 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.840 in flames. Oh god, because they thought that would be merciful. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.160 But the problem is that the rope would burn up 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.320 before it totally choked them out. Did the Romans, they 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.880 suffered even more justice zaren, but that didn't deter William 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.200 hanging or making money, you know, willing to take the risk. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.000 And like I said, it was just so easy. So 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.520 counterfeiters were still doing the thing where they clipped off 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.760 the rough edges of the existing coins, cobbled together metals 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.119 to make new janky looking coins. But change was afoot. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.480 The government was just starting to introduce milled edges to coins. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.639 And then there was also the market itself. These are 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.040 silver coins, and so the silver itself was starting to 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.119 have a greater value than the coin, especially over on 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.360 the continent, So it made illegal sense to melt down 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.840 the groats and then move the bullion to Europe a 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:37.480 little something called deflationary arbitageh So this became more prevalent, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.760 so there were fewer coins in circulation. So William he 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.800 gets to work making dummy coins to circulate in England. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.440 Let's hear some ads and let's think about what we've done, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:51.800 and when we come back, we'll check in with William 0:17:51.840 --> 0:18:14.000 and his coin business. Zaren. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:14.920 That's mister dildo. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:21.080 Thank you, senior dildo. When we last spoke, William Chiller 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:28.800 was making I don't know, I can't ask this dildo 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.680 how to say it. He's melting down English coins and 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.199 he's either selling the raw metal in Europe or actually 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.760 minting European coins himself. I'm guessing with like substandard metal. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:43.359 He was getting paid some. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.120 Can like stamps to get the right press. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.720 Well he would. He's a counterfeiter. You have fake ones, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.760 and then what they'd do is they'd have these dyes 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.679 and then you'd have to like smash it with a hammer. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.120 So he bought this fancy house in knights Bridge. I'm 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.840 wondering where the abandoned wife and kids are, but whatever, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.800 he had this nice whip like this gilded out carriage, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.720 wore all these slick outfits, and he had totally mastered 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.000 creating those dies for the coins, you know, those press models. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.960 So historians, sir John, he's actually very good. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.520 The gold silversmith who trained him really got him rest. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.359 He's very very good at this. There's this historian, Sir 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.440 John Craig. He wrote in nineteen forty six that William 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.280 was quote the most accomplished counterfeiter in the Kingdom. So 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.080 nice an artist of dies that it galled him to 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.560 spoil their perfection by use break them over. Didn want 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.359 to break them. So in sixteen ninety two, one of 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.760 William's buddies was arrested and he squealed. William knew the 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.440 law would be on his doorstep soon, so he got 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.560 to work for two days straight. He minted coins because 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.160 he needed cash to be able to make a run 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.320 for it, and run he did. He headed up to 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.560 Scotland and he waited until his pal was hanged for 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.920 his offenses. Oh and I told you he had no integrity. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.679 Yeah, you didnt tell me the one person coming at me. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:01.760 Yeah, exactly. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.240 So well that's no state. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.480 So while in Scotland he came up with a new plan. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.960 This was a couple of years after the Jacobite Rising 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.000 of sixteen. Yeah, so that's when you know, the Jacobites, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.560 believing in the divine rights of kings and the Stuart 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.160 claimed to the throne, rebell They tried to put James 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.480 the Second aka James the Seventh back in power. He's 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.399 James the Second in England and Ireland, James the Seventh 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.280 in Scotland. In a larger sense, it was part of 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.840 the Nine Years War France versus the Grand Alliance. So 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:38.240 the Scottish Highlands hot bed of Jacobite activity and it 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.920 was while in Scotland that William saw an opportunity. It 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.880 was seen as seditious to support the Jacobites, which meant 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.240 it was illegal to spread the message, like say, printing 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:50.600 and distributing pamphlets. 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.040 Ah, yes, I've seen outlander. 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:58.560 So William he starts paying printers to run Jacobite pamphlets 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.240 and that was in his true crime. He would then 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.520 report the printers and get a reward from the state. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:06.440 Are you kidding me? 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.080 No, It's like basically entrapman. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:14.000 Wow, so in trapper Oh ye, I'll do this for you, don't. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.200 Worry one time, he pays these four Jacobite sympathizers to 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:22.120 print copies of James's declaration denouncing King William. Dudes show 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.720 up to deliver the pamphlets and they were like cops 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:25.280 there waiting. 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:26.359 I got surprised for you. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.600 This was seditions. So they weren't in prison. They were 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:34.680 had and William he collects one thousand pound reward. It's 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.920 a huge amount. He had this guy, this protege named 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.840 Aubrey Price, and the two of them they came up 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.080 with another plan that would exploit the Jacobites. William and 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.239 Aubrey went to some government officials and they told him 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:48.120 they had a hot tip. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.080 Did you have an exploiter named Aubrey in the story? 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:56.280 Isn't that an incredible cursed name. So the JAT they like, 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.960 check it out. We have a hotline on this, a 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:04.480 hotline blank. The Jacobites are fixing to attack Dover Castle. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.680 We have word and they tell the authorities look for 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.240 a fee, we'll go undercover and like report back. We 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.320 can foil the plot. I don't know what do you 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.560 guys have in mind? And the authorities are like, no, 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.520 get out of here. I don't think so Okay, this 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.000 is William. Okay, what about this. I have here a 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:27.639 list of Jacobite sympathizers. How about you hire me and 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.040 old Aubrey here to go investigate these fools. This, by 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.200 the way, was just a random made up list of names, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.200 and they're like, okay, fine, you know what you're hired. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:38.160 That's a long list. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.760 That sounds great. So now William's getting paid to go 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.959 around to quote unquote investigate a fake list of enemies 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.560 of the state. So this gives him like some credibility. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.800 He's not operating on the fringes anymore. He's part of 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.639 the machine, of course. But then it got a little dicey. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.760 He and some bozone named Coppinger they wrote together this 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.320 Jacobite pamphlet to get all printed up, and they planned 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.520 to bust another printer and get the reward. When the 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.040 time came to go to the cops to bust the printers, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.800 Coppinger tried to claim the full reward for himself. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:11.119 Partner. 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.240 Yeah, but not for like the pamphlet thing. He rats 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:19.879 William out for his counterfeiting. But William had like established 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.760 himself he's almost a law man, right, so he's able 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.960 to talk his way out of the jam, and then 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.840 gets Coppinger pinched for writing the pamphlet and soliciting it 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:29.920 to be printed. 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:31.240 So he actually flipped it back. 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:36.639 Coppingers hanged car, and William skates away. So he's just 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:41.680 leaving all these like you know, like co conspirators in 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:46.000 his wake. Back to legal Tender, I told you that 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.200 as people melted down the silver in the English groats 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.479 to sell in Europe, England starts running low on coins. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.920 There just wasn't enough in circulation, and the Crown started 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.400 to notice this. As I said, it's during the Nine 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.159 Years War, William the Third needed cash and this is 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.840 starting to be a big problem everything. Yeah, and then 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.840 so like milling the edges of the coins, and this 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.879 is creating a before and after line. So there were 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.159 hand forged coins made before all the way up to 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:19.359 sixteen sixty two, and then after that it's machine minted ones, 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.720 like on a serious press. And the machine minted coins 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:26.399 had these milled edges to prevent the clipping. There was 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.800 even the text decus et Tutemann, the ornament and a 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.880 safeguard that was added around the coin rooms. 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.720 Okay, it's like the certificate of authenticity, but they. 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:40.000 Could still be melted down and like silver's worth more 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.600 in France and the Netherlands than as a coin in England. 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:44.400 So flames don't care. 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.480 And a lot of people proposed ways to address this issue, 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.520 and then William he chimes in, but he didn't do 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.960 so in his like trademark sleazy, underhanded negative way. He 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.959 didn't and he didn't really propose a solution. He had 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.000 a bunch of pamphlets printed up, like I'm surprised that 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:07.960 printers will still work with him. He accused, he does 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.600 know a paper guy. Okay, so he accused the Royal 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.879 Mint of incompetence, calls we don't have money, question as 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.399 you're messing it up. Then he said that there should 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:21.160 be this great recoinage, that is to say, old clip 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.119 coins collected melted down machine meant it. 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.679 He has a person in mind to run and all the. 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.280 New coins, he said, should have this like deeper impressions 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:37.160 that counterfeits can't counterfeiters can't mimic those lousy counterfeitters. What's 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:41.200 cracked down on them too, So he's in order to 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.879 crack down on them, he himself. He suggests a licensing 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:49.160 system for coiners tools, and remember, counterfeiting is an active treasons. 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.760 He's like, hello, killing these people, why is he going 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.720 so hard on counterfeitters? Calling for his own demise. He 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.719 wanted to rebrand himself as a coin expert, and as 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.600 you said, like he figured that way he'd get access 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.720 to the Royal Mint and fox. 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.200 I'll take a stance, take a stamp, I'll take exactly. 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.560 So the Earl of Monmouth, who just recently lost his 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.440 gig as Lord of the Treasury, totally on board. He's like, 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.200 this guy makes so much sense. I love it, mainly 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.800 because his successor, the Earl of Halifax, he wanted him 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:24.840 to look foolish because if they're like, oh, the mint 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.840 is competent, he loses his job as Lord of the 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.200 Earl of Halifax. Also heard William out politics was that 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.440 he like, he hears what William has to say, but 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.400 then he went and fixed the issues on his own. 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.520 He's like, that's a great idea. I'm just going to 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:39.720 do it. 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:40.280 I'm an expert. 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.600 Am I going to bring this clown into the operation. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.280 Thanks for the suggestions, dude, who needs a you got? 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.680 William's like, okay, cool, cool, huh. Well, he tries another 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.040 tack paper money. So this is a new thing. The 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.280 Bank of England was printing one hundred pound bills on 0:26:55.480 --> 0:27:00.200 specially pattern paper, and William, of course, he gets his 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.720 hands on some of this paper and prints his own bills. 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.199 You know, he knows printers, but he wasn't as good 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.840 at that as he was with like crude coins. 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.080 Yeah, these are new counterfeit skills. 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.879 Yeah, and the phony bills get traced back to him 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.720 when the paper plug grasses him out. Oh, so he 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.399 gets picked up by authorities. But here's the thing. There 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:21.119 were no actual laws on the books about counterfeiting paper 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.680 money for the law. Too new for the law. So 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.520 they had to let him go. And they even let 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.840 him hang on to the cash that he laundered. Like 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:30.439 you know anyway, so. 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.159 I liked it. He didn't have a paper guy, and 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:33.320 the paper guy tried to screw him. 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.080 But then on top of it, he gets in he 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:40.200 makes another two hundred pounds a reward. Zaren remember his 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.960 old pal Aubrey Price. 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:42.840 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.359 While in custody, William ratted him out for forging checks. 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.600 And see William had come up with a perfect way 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.760 to forge checks. He terrible, and he passed that technique 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:57.080 onto Aubrey and he needed a little juice with the authorities, 0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.320 so he said he'd been told of a check. Counterfeitter 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.520 leads him to Aubrey's busted, eventually hanged, and William is 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.880 praised for his fraud busting, like, you are so good, 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.320 you are such a good citizen hacker. Yeah, so he 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.520 got accolades. But now people, people have their eyes on him, 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.840 i'd hope. So one very important person in particular the 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.920 Warden of the Mint, none other than Sir Isaac Newton, 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.719 Deep the applehead gravity him. 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:27.240 Newton. 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.359 There was that great recoining that William came up with. 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.040 Charles Montague, Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time, got 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.040 Newton the gig as Warden of the Mint. And at 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.880 this point the Mint is controlled by Parliament, not the Crown, 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.160 and Parliament wanted Newton. He was the one who was 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.040 going to oversee the whole process of this recoining. He 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:48.920 moved from Cambridge to London. 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.600 To do just that. Really, they got him out of 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:51.120 Cambridge for this. 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:57.800 Yeah, zaren my goodness, yes, I want you to picture it. 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.800 It's March of sixteen ninety six. I remember it like 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.480 it was yesterday. You are a worker at the Royal Mint, 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.040 located within the Tower of London. The mid buildings form 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.680 a narrow horseshoe shape around the three sides of the 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.240 tower that aren't along the Thames. It's a ramshackle place 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:19.000 and it's miserable. It's hot and dark. Your job is 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:22.600 to help turn a screw operated press that stamps the coins. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.360 You are very restricted in being able to get in 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.760 and out of the place. This is a secure facility 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.320 and you have an important job. There's also a lot 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.479 of room for theft, which is why you've been totally 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.480 vetted and are watched like a hawk. You and another 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.440 man take turns pulling on a lever that turns round 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.240 and round, stamping out tuppets. Your dad worked here when 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.720 there were no machines. He was missing two fingers on 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.720 his left hand from accidentally leaving his hand too close 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.040 to the die as the hammer was slammed down by 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:54.000 his coworker. The wood of your press creaks. A horse 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.960 outside the windows snorts and winnies. You are stripped down 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.160 to what are basically your underthings, thin cotton shirt and 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.520 thin cotton long underwhere a man in the corner adds 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.200 coal to the furnace that melts down the precious metals. 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.600 You are sweaty, but you know it's an honest day's work. 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:12.920 You've been told the new big boss will be coming 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.880 by today. Look alive. They said. He's an important bloke. 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.640 You glance up and see a figure standing on the 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:23.880 wooden walkway above you. He's glorious. It's Isaac Newton. He's 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.080 not a sur yet, but you wouldn't be surprised if 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.480 he is one day. He's a famous scientist, you know 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.120 that much, A real genius, with long, wavy gray locks 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.440 down to his shoulders and a distinguished aquiline nose. He 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.320 looks down at the workroom. He's holding a sheaf of 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.280 paper and scribbles notes while talking to the foreman next 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.960 to him. You and your press partner take a break. 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.200 You lift the dyes and sweep the completed coins into 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.320 a bucket. The noise of the room settles a little, 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.200 and you listen in as Newton quizzes your boss. He 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.040 asks the foreman exactly how much coal the furnace burns 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.240 each day, how much ore can each melting pot hold? 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.560 And does that decrease over time. How long can these 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.560 men and these horses work before they're spent? How long 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.640 of a break do you give them? What's the output 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.040 each day? Where did you get those fabulous pants? Newton 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.560 scribbles on the answers on his paper, pausing occasionally to 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.240 scratch his chin, and thought, he looks down at you 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.560 in nods and thanks for your hard work. You nod 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.520 back and then return to the press. These shillings ain't 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:27.720 gonna mint themselves. Boys. So Newton visited the mint, got 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.360 all the data he needed, and then use that data 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.520 to calculate maximum efficiency for the operation. He figured out 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.920 how to best utilize the workforce both man and beast, 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:42.560 to get maximum work without overtaxing them, and he established 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.600 a peak working pace. So he analyzed the infrastructure, the building, 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.600 the workrooms. He also noted like improvements. But then he 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.800 saw it all through he came up. He just crunched numbers, 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.320 and before it looks so like here's the thing. Before 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.080 he came on board, the mint was like barely producing 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.840 fifteen thousand pounds a week in pretty unsafe environs. After 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.480 his overhaul, the place ran smoothly and put out more 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.280 than fifty thousand pounds a week. 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:13.719 No problem, He's an efficiency expert. Henry Ford. Eat your 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:14.240 heart out. 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:18.360 Exactly, Isaac Newton, O g badass. Let's take a break. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.760 Upon our return. I will tell you what happens when 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.200 you cross a virtuous genius like Isaac Newton with a 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.680 craven criminal like William chillowner. 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:50.640 I love that apple attractor, Sir Isaac Newton. 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:51.280 Would you call me? 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:57.360 I called you, Sir, Isaac, your new name Newton. I 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:03.320 love the figs, big fig fan. So perhaps the greatest 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:04.360 genius to ever live. 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:05.880 Definitely in the top three. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.880 Yeah. Please indulge me by allowing me to read his 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:10.360 epitaph from Westminster. 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:10.960 Please. 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.040 Here is buried Isaac Newton Knight, who, by a strength 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.760 of mind almost divine and mathematical principles, particularly his own, 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.640 explored the course and figures of the planets, the path 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.320 of comets, the tides of the sea, the dissimilarities in 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.880 rays of light, and what no other scholar has previously 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.959 imagined the properties of the colors. Thus produced diligent, sagacious 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.800 and faithful in his expositions of nature, antiquity, and the 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:44.200 holy scriptures. He vindicated by his philosophy, the majesty of 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.760 God Mighty and Good, and expressed the simplicity of the 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:52.200 Gospel in his manners. Mortals rejoice that there has existed 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.320 such and so great an ornament of the human race. 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.000 He was born twenty fifth December sixteen forty two and 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.080 died on twenty five March seventeen twenty six. 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:03.040 Dope. 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.720 Now, of course it's actually engraved in Latin. But you 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.560 don't want to hear me butcher that my butchering would 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.240 not surprise my college Latin proposals. But the way, anyway, Newton, 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:13.160 he's amazing. 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.520 I forget how it goes, but I'm fairly certain that 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:20.600 it's like Galileo Newton and Stephen Hawking all have like 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.480 the same birthday or same death day or overlaps it. 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:25.319 To them. 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.920 Either way, Newton, I'm telling you more than just an alchemist. 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.319 That guy, he was amazing. 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.040 Most people are like, oh, a little bit, kind of weird, 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.440 kind of quiet, stuck to himself. But what he did 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.160 with light and gravity, I'm telling. 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:41.360 Incredible, incredible. So there he is later in life, leading 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.000 the efforts of the Royal Mint to enter the modern age. 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:45.560 He done the job. 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.000 I bet he did the challenges. 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.360 Oh yeah, I'll except for one part. The warden was 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:54.560 responsible for both the capturing and prosecuting of counterfeitters. 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.720 Oh he was the UK Secret Service. 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:58.279 Yeah, that was not his jam. 0:34:58.400 --> 0:34:59.279 He's like, I'm not into this. 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.560 He that part of the job was beneath him. I bet, 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.239 and I'm not going to argue with that. Isaac Newton 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:10.480 bounty hunter. So it was in March that he stopped 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.040 by the Mint to assess operations. A few months later, 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:14.439 throw a punch. 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:19.520 No, I don't think so. I don't. Yeah. 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.400 I think he had soft hands, very. 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.360 Soft hands, like like fruit, so soft. 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.200 We could bruise them. So end of July he catches 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.960 his first cases. Ward okay, a set of dies had 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.239 been stolen from the Mint, Sarah, did you steal this? 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:35.680 No? 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.200 I sold them. I didn't steal them. 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.120 Newton's told, like, you got to crack the case. 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.080 Really, you asked the science. You're so good with efficiency. 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.520 Can you ask the scientist to do something and the 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.439 means will be scientific? Totally? So he went to work 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.920 collecting data, nice number crunching. He went to Newgate Prison, 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:56.160 made an offer to the people on death row. You 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:57.719 tell me what you know, and I'll get you a 0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:58.640 stay of execution. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:35:59.520 That's smart. 0:35:59.640 --> 0:35:59.879 Sure. 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.040 Then he goes under so it's efficient exactly. He's like, look, 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.080 I'm not going to mess around like you're dying soon, 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.200 so what do you know? Right, he goes undercover. He 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:10.640 puts on a bad boy costume. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.000 Oh my goodness, like I'm undercover Newton. 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.759 Yeah, I'm imagining a costume that like the dude who 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.239 played Huck on Scandal war for like how he looked 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:19.040 before he joined. 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:24.440 Yeah, the super Afroeddy k Unbomber, Rip van Winkle. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:31.080 Totally. Okay, that's how I imagine Sir Isaac Newton going around. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.360 He goes around all these like dives and dens of inequity, 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.760 kidding where the criminals drink and corrouse, and he chats 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:40.719 up the crowd and gets more intel. Are you he 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:41.680 went undercover? 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.600 Like mister like talking to people? Is out there having 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.520 to chat it up and like divy bars like so, 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:52.080 uh do you see the Ruggers game? So fellow bad person, yeah, 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:54.839 do you also like to throw the die? 0:36:56.719 --> 0:37:00.279 So he just adds all that to his data set, right, 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.040 He just like goes home, amazing, pulls out his excels. 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:06.760 And then going on with the data. 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.680 Yeah. In his quest. He also at one point he 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.640 interviewed William what Yeah, And William took the opportunity to 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.640 rail against the mint and he went on and on 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.480 about how incompetent everyone was. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.680 Did he interviewed as a suspector as an. 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.800 Expert, as like an expert, and he's like, you know, 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.520 such a crappy operation over there. So it just like 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.480 rolls his eyes and ignores him. He's like, okay, William 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:32.480 child loser and so Newton like he gathers all this 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.799 intel and it starts paying off. It would eventually lead 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.800 him to William, just just not yet. So as he 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:43.160 put together the Stuart Restoration period version of a corkboard 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.920 with pins and red thread, he developed a picture of 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:52.360 this large counterfeiting operation and so he had names and 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:54.160 locations and the whatnot. 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.600 He invents a camera we could put photos. 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.319 Like photo realistic draw and. 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:03.680 See what he's done. 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:09.320 He needed to conduct cross examinations of the suspects and 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.520 like serious interviews for these witnesses. So he goes out 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.520 and he becomes a justice of the peace. Are you 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.759 like he gets official? Wow, He's yeah, and in the 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:23.800 process he successfully prosecuted twenty eight criminals that were involved 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.359 in this ring Isaac Newton for the people, dude, I'm 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:32.120 telling you. Like so he's still he hadn't been able 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.320 to connect everything to the mastermind behind the operation, Like 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:40.000 who was that? Yeah, and like so what's William the 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.239 mastermind doing? He's just running his mouth. 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.560 So he's not afraid of Newton. He's got to know 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.400 that he's on his case a little right kind of. 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.360 But like, okay, no one listens to his rants about 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.440 incompetence at the Mint. So he starts saying that the 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.920 die theft was an inside job, and he said that 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.560 the chief engraver at the Mint had sold the missing 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.760 dies to a fellow by the name of mister Chandler. Okay, 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.920 it's like mister Chandler, you say, William William knew him. 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:08.360 He knew him well because he was him. That was 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:09.600 his alias. 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:11.240 John Baron. 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:15.600 He's totally went around sold it to John Baron. It's 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:20.560 totally legal, totally cool. In sixteen ninety seven, William goes 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.480 to the House of Commons, and not to the House 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:24.120 of Common the. 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.560 Rapper, but the House of Commons in Chicago. 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.400 No, and he accuses the Mint of this inside job. Okay, 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.960 Like so he's not just like the Whisper campaign. He 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.120 elevates it. He goes right in there and this proof. 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.840 He brings one of the coins that he himself had minted, 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.880 but he doesn't say that I minted them. He's like, 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.000 you know it's that no good, mister Chandler. 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:45.160 This is on the streets. 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.040 Mister Chandler keeps getting away. He's a handsome guy. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.000 By the way, charming man, beautiful. 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.719 Dancer brings out the coin, gasps ring out. 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.319 I like to see him coming. I like to see 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:56.560 him going. I love the guy. 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.239 They're like, this man has cracked the case that Newton 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:04.239 could not. William's like, look, I just need to get 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.759 into the mint and fix the dies. Like I'll make 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:11.840 the impressions deeper. That would fix everything. So the house 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.120 they go to Newton. They're like, you have to let 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.480 William access the mint. He'll get to the bottom. 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.600 Newton said, no, I just got this running. 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:22.799 Well. 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.200 He was like, legally I can't, because he had taken 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.440 an oath to forbid outsiders from having access to the 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.439 tools in the mint. He's like, I'm good with my word. 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.200 I can't go back on an oath. He also said 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.759 that William's thing about making the impressions deeper was total bulk, 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:39.960 and like they're like, I don't know, it sounds like 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.080 it's pretty logical. He's like, hold up. He does a 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.880 demonstration for them, and it's obvious that Newton's. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:46.840 Right, He's got more patients than they. 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.080 So the House of Comments is like, okay, yeah, never mind, 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:49.920 as you were. 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:51.600 Brilliant. 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.759 Frustrated William, he goes back to his old ways. He 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.040 tries to set up a counterfeiting operation in Surrey, and 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.960 that fell apart when everyone else got bus did. He 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:05.560 tried to fire up another Jacobite conspiracy and he took 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:09.160 that ruse to court. Newton had his number. He had 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.680 finally pieced everything together, and he determined it was William 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.279 that he needed to catch. Like he's at the top 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.160 of the pyramids, so he keeps his eye on William. 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.160 Newton had all the other pieces of the counterfeiting operation 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.279 in place, had arrested and convicted pretty much all the 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:32.200 other players in this except for William Parliament. Newton sees William, 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.279 like this is his chance. William, what is he doing 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.120 just swanning around Parliament. Who knows. So Newton has William 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:43.359 arrested for that Surrey counterfeiting operation Parliament, Yeah, and sent 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:47.200 to Newgate Prison. And the problem is that William still 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.359 had connections, so there were those in power who bought 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.319 his act and there were those who could be bought. 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:57.000 William had someone else pay off witnesses for him and 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.719 like telling him to scram up to Scotland, like run 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:03.120 up to Scotland. The charges are drop, Williams released. So 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:06.560 but William needs money because like all of his operations 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.440 are shut down, he had to spend a lot of 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.719 money getting out of the jam with So he goes 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:18.600 back to accusing the Royal Mint of Malfeasan's contents. So 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.600 then he goes back to Parliament and he's like launch 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.280 an investigation. He said that he'd been arrested and imprisoned 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.719 because he knew too much. They're trying to shut him up. 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:28.760 Oh yeah, flips. 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.359 Newton gets called in front of Parliament and is made 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.120 to answer for these accusations. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.399 Why are you deep state muses? 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.200 Right? So they of course believe Newton and William's claims 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.160 are dismissed, but the whole affair only served to make 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:46.520 Newton white hot with rage. Like he's like me, now 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.480 he's just perpetually angry. So Newton, he's now on this 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.040 mission to destroy William Good He's like, that's it. He 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.600 goes out, he interviews every associate of Williams that he 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.879 could find, and they're all up against Syria charges. Don't 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.040 forget counterfeiting his treason. You can get hanged. The thing is, 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.680 that's why there were so few convictions, because juries didn't 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.080 want to take a life for something like that. So 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.360 like guilty verdicts were few and far between. 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:14.120 They just let them languish. 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.400 Yeah, they just be like, well no, they just let 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.080 him off and just don't do it again. 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:19.400 I was kind of like, oh, I didn't know he 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:20.040 was still in there. 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:20.480 Yeah. No. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.920 So Newton he wasn't going for a high conviction rate 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.840 with these criminal associates. He wanted to gather an insane 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.279 amount of charges against William, just rack them all up 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.960 until a jury would have no choice but to convict. 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.480 So there was there had to be something in all 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.240 that he would have done that would come back as guilty. 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.720 You know, you don't just put before the one charge 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.480 and have that risk. Newton dedicated his life at this 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.239 point to the pursuit. He's determined to take him down. 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:52.960 He set aside all math, all physics, everything, forget gravity. 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:54.759 He gets taken this guy down. 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:59.080 One hundred and forty witness statements, he gathered troves of evidence, 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.480 and then he waited and he knew that William was 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.399 going to mess up. He's going to step out of line, 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.719 and that's when Newton's going to strike. In sixteen ninety eight, 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.239 William dun goofed. So he gets this new scheme going. 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:15.640 He's forging malt lottery tickets. So the malt lottery was 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.440 this like early English state lottery, and the benefits were 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.760 going to be paid out of excise duties on malt. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.600 And the government like they came up with this because 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.680 the nine years of War was not going well. Coin 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.759 supplies dweling economic crisis for. 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.520 Our latest bad joys they had a lot. 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.719 Of which was a disaster. By the I'm sure it 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.960 wasn't whole other story. I mean, like the tickets, they 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.799 tried to use them as legal tender after the lotto. 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.680 Anyway, so selling children for these tickets. 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.320 So William he here's about the Malt lottery, and he 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.360 engraved a copper plate of tickets for it, and he 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.600 thought he'd get away with it and like hide the plates, 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.239 but he got busted coming from two different sides. So 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.760 another counterfeiter ratted him out to the office of Charles Talbot, 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.439 first Duke of Shrewsbury, Secretary of State. That's the same 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.960 guy that William had tried to blackmail the year before, 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.520 so he's especially excited to get At the same time, 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.440 a pawnbroker to whom William had sold a ticket got 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:14.920 busted with the faky and he. 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:17.399 Rats with it where I got it? Yeah, okay. 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.520 March third, sixteen ninety nine, William's case goes to trial. 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.120 Newton figured out a way to get a very specific judge, 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:30.759 assigned Judge Silathiel Lovel. What yeah s A L A 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:36.000 T H I E L Silathiel Lovel interesting a hanging 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:40.960 judge like known known to just like everyone's guilty, everyone's 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.239 hanging old fat Yeah, do mess with them. So I 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.600 told you Newton wants to die of course. Yeah, so 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:52.200 William rope too. Yeah. William thought the whole thing was 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.480 just about the lot of tickets, like no big deal, 0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:58.320 and then Newton said, welcome to the show, son like 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.400 brings him in the court. He proceeds to bring out 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:06.520 witness after witness after witness to testify to crimes committed 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:10.080 by William. He brings out all these former associates, all 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.840 the ones that he's like has you know, they're basically 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:14.520 they're they're cooperating with the state. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:16.200 He brings out everybody but senior Dildo. 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.880 Well, then he brings out all these widows of guys 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.919 that William had double crossed and who'd been said to hang. 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.960 Oh yeah, and so they're like, all these women are 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.239 just lining up telling these. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.560 They got notes and everything, like I can give you 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:31.239 the documentation. 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.360 William's freaking out right, he gets desperate. First he starts 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.440 acting like he's mentally ill and then mentally incompetent, like 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:43.839 just drooling. Then he says that absolutely everyone's lying, every 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.640 last one, right, and then his last move was just 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.320 to beg so he said if they found him guilty, please, 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.080 Well they're like, if you find me guilty, I'm going 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.360 to be sentenced to death. And that means you're basically 0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.920 murdering me. So you're a murderer, now, can you live 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:00.200 with that. 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:04.640 I save you. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.680 The judge and the jury shrugged and we're like, yeah, 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.719 I could be a murderer the rope. I can live 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.080 with that. So, after like no real deliberation at all, 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:19.080 william Is fund guilty. Was like yeah, I mean they 0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.120 look over at all the widows and they're like all right. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:21.719 Uh. 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.320 Williams found guilty of high treason, sentenced to death by hanging. 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.600 Just a couple of weeks later, he's like awaiting his 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.640 fate and he's trying everything. He writes to Isaac Newton, 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.400 he said, quote, oh, dear sir, nobody can save me 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.520 but you. I shall be murdered unless you save me. Oh, 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:40.960 I hope God will move your heart with mercy and 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.080 pity to do this thing for me. Newton, the cold 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.120 blooded g that he has been forced to become through 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:49.600 this gig, didn't answer him. 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:51.359 That's his move. 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.760 Yeah, William told anyone who would listen that he was framed. 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.440 So now he's going on that tack. They send a 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.680 priest out to read him his last He sends the 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.560 guy away like I wouldn't have wasted that chance, brother, 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.239 I would have had that chat. So he goes when 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.560 he goes to the gallows of Tyburn Tree in London. 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.479 He yells out to the crowd that he was about 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.879 to be quote murdered under pretense of law. 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:17.399 Yeah, we all agree on that one. 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:21.839 And he was yeah, and that that was curtains for him. 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.000 So wait, the Tyburn Tree was an actual tree, like 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.640 that was their old hanging tree he turned into like 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:31.439 the place of justice, this wide branch tree being hanged 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:32.120 like three four at a. 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:35.920 Time, right, exactly, that's wild. So the Great Recoinage was 0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:39.759 completed later that year, and with that and William out 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:43.160 of his way, Newton focused more of his time on science. 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:48.080 Seventeen oh four, he published Optics, foundational text on the 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.960 nature and behavior of light. He worked for the Mint 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:52.000 for the rest of his life. 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.920 Whoa, because optics is it's probably my favorite thing he does. 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:57.480 And I was like, wait, I know that that happens 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:58.319 in seventeen. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:01.920 Yeah, he wrote, he's a size Yeah, he's just all. 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.719 That work asides. If he could deal with all this, 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.840 go be undercover Newton. And then he gets back He's like, okay, 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:07.760 now about the sun. 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.080 I'm ready. Yeah, what's your ridiculous takeaway? 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.120 I love Undercovered Newton. 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.120 Oh, I want to see Newton in a bar trying 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:20.160 to turn to someone savory character back from the colonies. 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.880 Yeah, it's like, when was the last time you stabbed 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:24.120 a guy? 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.800 I did like four hours ago. Nice cud piece, buddy, 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.120 So what's yours on Elizabeth? 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.560 My ridiculous takeaway is that I, you know, just out 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.920 of principle, and it's my own personal philosophy. I'm not 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.200 a supporter of the death penalty, but I'm not sad. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.400 It's terrible the number of people that he's set up 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:43.640 to be. 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:46.000 If you think of that as murder, like knowing that 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:47.840 he knew that they were inno center that he was 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.960 not innocent, but that he was basically fingering them for 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:53.320 the guilt, then he basically, yeah, murked a bunch of people. 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:57.040 So yeah, he's not just a counterfeiter. He's a multiple figure. 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:58.920 Not serial murder. I don't want to say that, but 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:00.000 it was a multiple murder. 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.399 I just when you when I start reading about him, 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:04.239 I'm like, oh, this is kind of funny, and then 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.839 you're just like, he's horrible. He's a horrible human being. 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.160 He doesn't deserve one. But Newton led a bad ass. Uh, 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.680 Daves after that, I think I need a talk back. 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:24.080 Oh my god, did you do Seper? 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:32.000 I love you. I'm behind on episodes, but I just 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:36.200 listened to the furry episode. Zaren. You can get a 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.880 tail also ears, but a tail that attaches to your 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:44.719 belt instead of other ways. I know this because I 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.520 have a fox ear and tail set that I got 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:52.080 from Etsy for Spirit Animal Night at Adult Summer Camp, 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:55.360 which is a whole other story, but it comes in 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.479 handy if you forget that, you have a costume party 0:50:58.520 --> 0:50:58.880 to go to. 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.440 Dude, I'm getting to tell Elizabeth, you're gonna look at me. 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.000 You're gonna laugh on a show up here to record. 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:08.360 I got the ears, I got my nose, my tail on, 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:10.080 got some furry slippers. 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:13.640 No, you know, it's the summer of dark Elizabeth and 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.800 yet all, if you all, if you get your giggles 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:16.080 at it. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.040 Show up here in a fur bikini. I'm gonna go 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.560 with a tale. 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