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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zaren zaren Yo

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Speaker 1: over here, right, we got my hand up over here.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, Hi girl, how you doing doing well? Man?

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Speaker 1: Oh? You straight? I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I need to know what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Oh, sit down, I got something that's going to buckle

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Speaker 4: your knees. I don't want you to get hurt. I

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Speaker 4: heard about this woman. Oh Don Brook, she got pregnant. Okay,

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Speaker 4: she got She is the.

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Speaker 1: Oldest congratulations or I'm sorry to hear that kind of

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Speaker 1: like that, but she either basically it were really for

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Speaker 1: real though.

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Speaker 4: She's the oldest person to ever get pregnant without IVF

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Speaker 4: or donor eggs. Oh how old those persons get pregnant

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Speaker 4: with the in vitro fertilization. The IVF was seventy three?

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Speaker 4: Whoa seventy three with IVF? They intentionally said, can we

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Speaker 4: get something going in here? And they're like, with enough

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Speaker 4: drugs into my ivfs? Yes they did?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Right, but this person, Don Brook, Yeah, in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 4: gave birth and was at the age.

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Speaker 2: Of fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: No iv body went through menopause.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth, Oh wait, she did well?

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Speaker 4: Obviously not did went into menopause, went through menopause, and

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Speaker 4: then started taking a hormone replacement therapy. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 4: can kick start the system where it started producing eggs.

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Speaker 4: Dropped an egg that was still kicking inside. I guess

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Speaker 4: it was all the way live got in, it got exminated.

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Speaker 4: Now like a ten year old boy, she's sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: Kid, I guess he's seventy because you got the nine

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Speaker 2: ten months older.

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Speaker 1: You are older when it's born.

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling it to no. I mean like she's now.

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Speaker 4: She was fifty nine when she had the kid. Sixty

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Speaker 4: nine now, but can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: She was? She got thought she was out, and they

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Speaker 2: dragged her back down with like we're gonna give you

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Speaker 2: this therapy. It's gonna be good for you. She's like, doctor,

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Speaker 2: I am pregnant. Would you stop it? I am a

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Speaker 2: fifty nine year old woman. I don't made this nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Oh y nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is ridiculous nonsense us. Do you know what

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Speaker 1: else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I was hoping you'd tell me.

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Speaker 1: Sir Isaac Newton Fighting Crime what this is? Ridiculous Crime?

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Speaker 1: A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heis and cons

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Speaker 1: it's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you heard that.

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Speaker 1: You did. You watched that Netflix hit Peaky Blinders, Right?

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Speaker 2: I love that one.

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Speaker 1: I loerve that show. I love it, especially when Tom

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Speaker 1: Hardy came on. Yes, look at how freely I can

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Speaker 1: talk about television. I'm like, hi on, all I do

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Speaker 1: is talk about TV. Tom Hardy was fantastic. But let's

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Speaker 1: give it up for killing Murphy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course the best.

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Speaker 1: I've been a fan of his since The Wind That

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Speaker 1: Shakes the Barley, which, if you haven't seen it, fantastic film.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Peaky Blinders takes place in Birmingham, England, after

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Speaker 1: World War One. In the show, it's this gritty industrial

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Speaker 1: city with a dirty underbelly of crime. Yeah, the Peaky Blinders,

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Speaker 1: the eponymous gang in the show is based on a

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Speaker 1: real gang from the late eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 4: Aren't all based on gangs in the show? Aren't the

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Speaker 4: all the gangs in the show based on gangs yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And there's a movie coming out, by the way,

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Speaker 1: It starts filming in September of this year. Let's go

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Speaker 1: crush the set. We should record an episode from the

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Speaker 1: set while Chase. Yes, but it's the movie's supposed to

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Speaker 1: wrap the whole thing up anyway. Birmingham, so it was

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Speaker 1: tough in real life back then, and apparently it was

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Speaker 1: tough even before then, hundreds of years before then. I mean,

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Speaker 1: settlement in Birmingham goes back to eight thousand BC.

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Speaker 4: Does it really? Yeah, that's not a Roman settlement. No, No,

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Speaker 4: I was assumed so many of the big cities.

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Speaker 1: Of Roman settlement they had their own thing.

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Speaker 2: I know they did, I just didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking though about the sixteen hundreds, mid to late

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Speaker 1: and so at that time it was known as the

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Speaker 1: counterfeiting capital of England.

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Speaker 4: What counterfeiting, Oh, I was like like you were talking

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Speaker 4: like countertops, like they were fitting counters. Like there's pipe fitters,

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Speaker 4: there's counterfeitters.

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Speaker 1: They like there's something head but like marble countertop. Anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was badfitters.

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Speaker 2: So money fakers, I got you counterfeits.

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Speaker 1: I mean. It was also at that time that a

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Speaker 1: kid from just outside of town in Warwickshire was born

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Speaker 1: to a family of weavers name of William Chilloner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, William Chillona.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chu Loaner Challoner, little homie was a bad one. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got into all sorts of troubles. So his parents

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Speaker 1: shipped him off to the big city Birmingham to become

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Speaker 1: an apprentice nail maker, not like at a nail salon.

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Speaker 1: But the nails are using construction like the old bang.

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Speaker 4: Bang Yeah, and you're handmaking nails exactly. A lot of

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Speaker 4: them are going into the of horses.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he was not doing acrylics. They sent They

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Speaker 1: sent him off to Birmingham a k A brum yeah,

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Speaker 1: AK a city of a thousand trades a k A

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Speaker 1: O one two one?

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Speaker 2: Are you for real?

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Speaker 1: Aka Second City aka the pen Shop of the world

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Speaker 1: AK Venice of the North.

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Speaker 2: Second City. They're the Chicago of.

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Speaker 1: That aka Workshop of the world. Yeah, they're the Venice

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Speaker 2: So no one call, No one calls them like b

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Speaker 2: Ham or bro How.

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Speaker 1: Sure they do? I don't know. This is just what

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia calls anyway, that's the list on Wikipedia. So they

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Speaker 1: send him off to the city, praying that he'll.

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Speaker 5: Straighten up and fly right make good nails.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they like you go out and make your living,

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Speaker 1: make and.

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Speaker 2: Nails with metal.

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, this was the counterfeit in capital

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Speaker 1: of it, like working with paper and here's a young

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, perfect.

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Speaker 1: So he of course fell in with a group that

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Speaker 1: made counterfeit groats.

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Speaker 2: Groats, groats.

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Speaker 1: Look at the look on your face, Elizabeth, not groats

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Speaker 1: that are grain.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was, That's what my face was doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, counterfeit grains are intriguing to me. Like saw rolls

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Speaker 1: so there's William making fake coins instead of nails. Tricky.

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Speaker 2: I'm still working with the metal mak Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Either way, bang bang groats. They first showed up in

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Speaker 1: always pure. What I'm trying to say is that they

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Speaker 1: were super easy to counterfeit.

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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fakes.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like they're just like flattened bottle caps.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of them look like that. The fakes

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Speaker 1: just slightly off. But you can clip enough off of

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Speaker 1: a coin to make another coin. William did this for

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Speaker 2: Literally shaving profits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But he wanted to go straight. He wanted

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he went to London on foot. He walked

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Speaker 1: Birmingham to London, Google Maps tells you it'll take forty

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Speaker 2: That real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it said. Did it take him that

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Speaker 1: long or did it longer? Historians, keep your answers to yourself. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it took him longer. Let's double it.

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Speaker 1: So so however you slice it, it's like one hundred

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Speaker 2: Wow, I just know you can do it legally because

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Speaker 1: To someone's yard and be like sorry, trade brow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he did. He did this in the sixteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Good for him in his thirties. Yeah, he still hasn't

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Speaker 1: He had no judgment.

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Speaker 2: He's just knocking about looking for something that you call

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Speaker 1: Well, he gets to London.

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Speaker 2: He's not getting married till he's got something in life,

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Speaker 1: Right, So he gets to London, he's like, hey, fellas,

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Speaker 1: I'm here to work on metal, and everyone just like

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Speaker 1: system in place. Yeah, they're just sworn in. They're tight knit.

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Speaker 2: And he's aged most of it.

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Speaker 1: You got to be granted work at the behest of

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Speaker 2: Got a license and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's William. He's new in town, he's iced

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Speaker 1: out from his profession. He needed work. He found it

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Speaker 1: in japanning And that's the fake version of East Asian

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Speaker 1: lacquer work.

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Speaker 1: So, like the real stuff at the time was super

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Speaker 1: stuff is used by coating objects like furniture, jewelry, bobbles

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Speaker 1: sap of the toxicodendrum vernick flum tree.

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Speaker 2: Like a super strong lacker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and so, and then they'd be like in lays

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Speaker 1: of precious materials in the design. Well, like that tree

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Speaker 1: didn't grow in England or the rest of Europe for

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Speaker 1: that matter, so they made do with an enamel paint,

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Speaker 1: usually black tree or something. And in Europe they did

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Speaker 1: the same thing, but they used a shellac and it

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Speaker 1: came in.

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Speaker 5: Like greens and blues and reds.

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Speaker 1: Japan Ors could make pieces on the cheap and then

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Speaker 1: sell them as the real deal for.

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Speaker 2: The the sun exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what William did. He also got married

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Speaker 1: and he had kids and just lived his life. He

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Speaker 1: did try other businesses. One source said that William also

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Speaker 1: got work making quote, ten watches with dildo's in them.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to run that.

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Speaker 4: You say he made ten watches, Elizabeth, why would I

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Speaker 4: want to watch a bit of tin? But what was

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Speaker 1: Also, I'm going to let you thank the ages that

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Speaker 1: I'm not about to tell you a picture of it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So okay, when we say dildo in the sixteen hundreds,

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Speaker 2: Oh you got some lyrics of mister Dildo dravus? You

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Speaker 1: So it begins, you ladies of Mary England who have

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Speaker 1: lately observe in the show a noble Italian called Senior Dildo.

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Speaker 1: This signor was one of the Duchess's train and helped

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Speaker 1: more need for signor dildo. Where there's this verse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the good lady Suffolk, thinking no harm, had got this

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Speaker 4: Yes, do see proof positive my theory. We always been

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Speaker 2: Have always been free.

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Speaker 4: People always act like I can't believe you know, I

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Speaker 2: Two things everybody is which is corny and freaky.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you another another verse. Doll Howard, no

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Speaker 1: to you. Yes all. Poetry dot Com gives this assessment,

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Speaker 1: quote Senior Dildo stands as a unique and controversial example

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Speaker 1: So back to Williams.

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Speaker 1: I do not know how that works. And googling was

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Speaker 2: I just want to know how big these are big watches.

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Speaker 1: That's what he.

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Speaker 2: Then not like it like not like a store where

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Speaker 2: Oh and we just survived that second ice Age, that

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Speaker 2: Are still alive, right, But in.

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Speaker 1: Those days, counterfeiting was treason and they could get you

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Speaker 1: And that was for men, right, men would get hanged.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, it was just so easy. So

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Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll check in with William

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Speaker 2: That's mister dildo.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, senior dildo. When we last spoke, William Chiller

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Speaker 1: he's either selling the raw metal in Europe or actually

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Speaker 1: He was getting paid some.

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Speaker 2: Can like stamps to get the right press.

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Speaker 1: Well he would. He's a counterfeiter. You have fake ones,

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Speaker 1: and then what they'd do is they'd have these dyes

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Speaker 1: So he bought this fancy house in knights Bridge. I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering where the abandoned wife and kids are, but whatever,

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Speaker 1: he had this nice whip like this gilded out carriage,

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Speaker 1: So historians, sir John, he's actually very good.

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Speaker 2: The gold silversmith who trained him really got him rest.

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Speaker 1: He's very very good at this. There's this historian, Sir

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you didnt tell me the one person coming at me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So well that's no state.

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Speaker 1: So while in Scotland he came up with a new plan.

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Speaker 1: This was a couple of years after the Jacobite Rising

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Speaker 1: of sixteen. Yeah, so that's when you know, the Jacobites,

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Speaker 1: believing in the divine rights of kings and the Stuart

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Speaker 1: James the Second in England and Ireland, James the Seventh

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Speaker 1: in Scotland. In a larger sense, it was part of

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Speaker 1: the Nine Years War France versus the Grand Alliance. So

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Speaker 1: was while in Scotland that William saw an opportunity. It

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Speaker 1: was seen as seditious to support the Jacobites, which meant

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Speaker 1: it was illegal to spread the message, like say, printing

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Speaker 1: and distributing pamphlets.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I've seen outlander.

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Speaker 1: So William he starts paying printers to run Jacobite pamphlets

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Speaker 1: and that was in his true crime. He would then

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: No, It's like basically entrapman.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so in trapper Oh ye, I'll do this for you, don't.

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Speaker 1: Worry one time, he pays these four Jacobite sympathizers to

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Speaker 1: print copies of James's declaration denouncing King William. Dudes show

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Speaker 1: up to deliver the pamphlets and they were like cops

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Speaker 2: I got surprised for you.

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Speaker 1: This was seditions. So they weren't in prison. They were

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Speaker 1: had and William he collects one thousand pound reward. It's

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Speaker 1: a huge amount. He had this guy, this protege named

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Speaker 1: Aubrey Price, and the two of them they came up

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Speaker 1: with another plan that would exploit the Jacobites. William and

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Speaker 1: Aubrey went to some government officials and they told him

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Speaker 1: they had a hot tip.

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Speaker 2: Did you have an exploiter named Aubrey in the story?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that an incredible cursed name. So the JAT they like,

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Speaker 1: check it out. We have a hotline on this, a

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Speaker 1: hotline blank. The Jacobites are fixing to attack Dover Castle.

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Speaker 1: We have word and they tell the authorities look for

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Speaker 1: a fee, we'll go undercover and like report back. We

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Speaker 1: can foil the plot. I don't know what do you

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Speaker 1: guys have in mind? And the authorities are like, no,

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Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't think so Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is William. Okay, what about this. I have here a

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Speaker 1: list of Jacobite sympathizers. How about you hire me and

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Speaker 1: old Aubrey here to go investigate these fools. This, by

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Speaker 1: the way, was just a random made up list of names,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, fine, you know what you're hired.

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Speaker 2: That's a long list.

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Speaker 1: That sounds great. So now William's getting paid to go

441
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Speaker 1: around to quote unquote investigate a fake list of enemies

442
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: of the state. So this gives him like some credibility.

443
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: He's not operating on the fringes anymore. He's part of

444
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: the machine, of course. But then it got a little dicey.

445
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: He and some bozone named Coppinger they wrote together this

446
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: Jacobite pamphlet to get all printed up, and they planned

447
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: to bust another printer and get the reward. When the

448
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: time came to go to the cops to bust the printers,

449
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Coppinger tried to claim the full reward for himself.

450
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: Partner.

451
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not for like the pamphlet thing. He rats

452
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: William out for his counterfeiting. But William had like established

453
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: himself he's almost a law man, right, so he's able

454
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: to talk his way out of the jam, and then

455
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: gets Coppinger pinched for writing the pamphlet and soliciting it

456
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Speaker 1: to be printed.

457
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Speaker 2: So he actually flipped it back.

458
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Speaker 1: Coppingers hanged car, and William skates away. So he's just

459
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Speaker 1: leaving all these like you know, like co conspirators in

460
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Speaker 1: his wake. Back to legal Tender, I told you that

461
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: as people melted down the silver in the English groats

462
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Speaker 1: to sell in Europe, England starts running low on coins.

463
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: There just wasn't enough in circulation, and the Crown started

464
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Speaker 1: to notice this. As I said, it's during the Nine

465
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Speaker 1: Years War, William the Third needed cash and this is

466
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: starting to be a big problem everything. Yeah, and then

467
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: so like milling the edges of the coins, and this

468
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: is creating a before and after line. So there were

469
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Speaker 1: hand forged coins made before all the way up to

470
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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty two, and then after that it's machine minted ones,

471
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Speaker 1: like on a serious press. And the machine minted coins

472
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: had these milled edges to prevent the clipping. There was

473
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Speaker 1: even the text decus et Tutemann, the ornament and a

474
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Speaker 1: safeguard that was added around the coin rooms.

475
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's like the certificate of authenticity, but they.

476
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Speaker 1: Could still be melted down and like silver's worth more

477
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: in France and the Netherlands than as a coin in England.

478
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: So flames don't care.

479
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people proposed ways to address this issue,

480
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: and then William he chimes in, but he didn't do

481
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: so in his like trademark sleazy, underhanded negative way. He

482
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 1: didn't and he didn't really propose a solution. He had

483
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Speaker 1: a bunch of pamphlets printed up, like I'm surprised that

484
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Speaker 1: printers will still work with him. He accused, he does

485
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Speaker 1: know a paper guy. Okay, so he accused the Royal

486
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Speaker 1: Mint of incompetence, calls we don't have money, question as

487
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Speaker 1: you're messing it up. Then he said that there should

488
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Speaker 1: be this great recoinage, that is to say, old clip

489
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Speaker 1: coins collected melted down machine meant it.

490
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Speaker 2: He has a person in mind to run and all the.

491
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Speaker 1: New coins, he said, should have this like deeper impressions

492
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Speaker 1: that counterfeits can't counterfeiters can't mimic those lousy counterfeitters. What's

493
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: cracked down on them too, So he's in order to

494
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Speaker 1: crack down on them, he himself. He suggests a licensing

495
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: system for coiners tools, and remember, counterfeiting is an active treasons.

496
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: He's like, hello, killing these people, why is he going

497
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: so hard on counterfeitters? Calling for his own demise. He

498
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Speaker 1: wanted to rebrand himself as a coin expert, and as

499
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: you said, like he figured that way he'd get access

500
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Speaker 1: to the Royal Mint and fox.

501
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: I'll take a stance, take a stamp, I'll take exactly.

502
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Speaker 1: So the Earl of Monmouth, who just recently lost his

503
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: gig as Lord of the Treasury, totally on board. He's like,

504
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: this guy makes so much sense. I love it, mainly

505
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: because his successor, the Earl of Halifax, he wanted him

506
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Speaker 1: to look foolish because if they're like, oh, the mint

507
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Speaker 1: is competent, he loses his job as Lord of the

508
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Speaker 1: Earl of Halifax. Also heard William out politics was that

509
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: he like, he hears what William has to say, but

510
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: then he went and fixed the issues on his own.

511
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: He's like, that's a great idea. I'm just going to

512
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: do it.

513
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm an expert.

514
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Speaker 1: Am I going to bring this clown into the operation.

515
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for the suggestions, dude, who needs a you got?

516
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: William's like, okay, cool, cool, huh. Well, he tries another

517
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Speaker 1: tack paper money. So this is a new thing. The

518
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Bank of England was printing one hundred pound bills on

519
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Speaker 1: specially pattern paper, and William, of course, he gets his

520
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: hands on some of this paper and prints his own bills.

521
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: You know, he knows printers, but he wasn't as good

522
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: at that as he was with like crude coins.

523
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are new counterfeit skills.

524
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the phony bills get traced back to him

525
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: when the paper plug grasses him out. Oh, so he

526
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: gets picked up by authorities. But here's the thing. There

527
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: were no actual laws on the books about counterfeiting paper

528
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: money for the law. Too new for the law. So

529
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: they had to let him go. And they even let

530
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Speaker 1: him hang on to the cash that he laundered. Like

531
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: you know anyway, so.

532
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: I liked it. He didn't have a paper guy, and

533
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: the paper guy tried to screw him.

534
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Speaker 1: But then on top of it, he gets in he

535
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: makes another two hundred pounds a reward. Zaren remember his

536
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: old pal Aubrey Price.

537
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

538
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: While in custody, William ratted him out for forging checks.

539
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: And see William had come up with a perfect way

540
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: to forge checks. He terrible, and he passed that technique

541
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Speaker 1: onto Aubrey and he needed a little juice with the authorities,

542
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: so he said he'd been told of a check. Counterfeitter

543
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: leads him to Aubrey's busted, eventually hanged, and William is

544
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: praised for his fraud busting, like, you are so good,

545
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: you are such a good citizen hacker. Yeah, so he

546
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: got accolades. But now people, people have their eyes on him,

547
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: i'd hope. So one very important person in particular the

548
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Speaker 1: Warden of the Mint, none other than Sir Isaac Newton,

549
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: Deep the applehead gravity him.

550
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Newton.

551
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Speaker 1: There was that great recoining that William came up with.

552
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Charles Montague, Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time, got

553
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Speaker 1: Newton the gig as Warden of the Mint. And at

554
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: this point the Mint is controlled by Parliament, not the Crown,

555
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: and Parliament wanted Newton. He was the one who was

556
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: going to oversee the whole process of this recoining. He

557
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: moved from Cambridge to London.

558
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: To do just that. Really, they got him out of

559
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: Cambridge for this.

560
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, zaren my goodness, yes, I want you to picture it.

561
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Speaker 1: It's March of sixteen ninety six. I remember it like

562
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: it was yesterday. You are a worker at the Royal Mint,

563
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Speaker 1: located within the Tower of London. The mid buildings form

564
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Speaker 1: a narrow horseshoe shape around the three sides of the

565
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: tower that aren't along the Thames. It's a ramshackle place

566
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Speaker 1: and it's miserable. It's hot and dark. Your job is

567
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: to help turn a screw operated press that stamps the coins.

568
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: You are very restricted in being able to get in

569
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Speaker 1: and out of the place. This is a secure facility

570
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: and you have an important job. There's also a lot

571
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: of room for theft, which is why you've been totally

572
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: vetted and are watched like a hawk. You and another

573
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: man take turns pulling on a lever that turns round

574
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: and round, stamping out tuppets. Your dad worked here when

575
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: there were no machines. He was missing two fingers on

576
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: his left hand from accidentally leaving his hand too close

577
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: to the die as the hammer was slammed down by

578
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: his coworker. The wood of your press creaks. A horse

579
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: outside the windows snorts and winnies. You are stripped down

580
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: to what are basically your underthings, thin cotton shirt and

581
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: thin cotton long underwhere a man in the corner adds

582
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: coal to the furnace that melts down the precious metals.

583
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: You are sweaty, but you know it's an honest day's work.

584
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: You've been told the new big boss will be coming

585
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: by today. Look alive. They said. He's an important bloke.

586
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: You glance up and see a figure standing on the

587
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Speaker 1: wooden walkway above you. He's glorious. It's Isaac Newton. He's

588
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: not a sur yet, but you wouldn't be surprised if

589
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: he is one day. He's a famous scientist, you know

590
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: that much, A real genius, with long, wavy gray locks

591
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: down to his shoulders and a distinguished aquiline nose. He

592
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: looks down at the workroom. He's holding a sheaf of

593
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: paper and scribbles notes while talking to the foreman next

594
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Speaker 1: to him. You and your press partner take a break.

595
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: You lift the dyes and sweep the completed coins into

596
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: a bucket. The noise of the room settles a little,

597
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: and you listen in as Newton quizzes your boss. He

598
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: asks the foreman exactly how much coal the furnace burns

599
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: each day, how much ore can each melting pot hold?

600
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Speaker 1: And does that decrease over time. How long can these

601
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: men and these horses work before they're spent? How long

602
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: of a break do you give them? What's the output

603
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: each day? Where did you get those fabulous pants? Newton

604
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: scribbles on the answers on his paper, pausing occasionally to

605
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: scratch his chin, and thought, he looks down at you

606
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: in nods and thanks for your hard work. You nod

607
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: back and then return to the press. These shillings ain't

608
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna mint themselves. Boys. So Newton visited the mint, got

609
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: all the data he needed, and then use that data

610
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: to calculate maximum efficiency for the operation. He figured out

611
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: how to best utilize the workforce both man and beast,

612
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: to get maximum work without overtaxing them, and he established

613
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: a peak working pace. So he analyzed the infrastructure, the building,

614
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: the workrooms. He also noted like improvements. But then he

615
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: saw it all through he came up. He just crunched numbers,

616
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: and before it looks so like here's the thing. Before

617
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: he came on board, the mint was like barely producing

618
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand pounds a week in pretty unsafe environs. After

619
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: his overhaul, the place ran smoothly and put out more

620
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: than fifty thousand pounds a week.

621
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Speaker 2: No problem, He's an efficiency expert. Henry Ford. Eat your

622
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: heart out.

623
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Exactly, Isaac Newton, O g badass. Let's take a break.

624
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: Upon our return. I will tell you what happens when

625
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: you cross a virtuous genius like Isaac Newton with a

626
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: craven criminal like William chillowner.

627
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: I love that apple attractor, Sir Isaac Newton.

628
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Would you call me?

629
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I called you, Sir, Isaac, your new name Newton. I

630
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: love the figs, big fig fan. So perhaps the greatest

631
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: genius to ever live.

632
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Definitely in the top three.

633
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Please indulge me by allowing me to read his

634
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: epitaph from Westminster.

635
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Please.

636
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Here is buried Isaac Newton Knight, who, by a strength

637
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: of mind almost divine and mathematical principles, particularly his own,

638
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: explored the course and figures of the planets, the path

639
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: of comets, the tides of the sea, the dissimilarities in

640
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: rays of light, and what no other scholar has previously

641
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: imagined the properties of the colors. Thus produced diligent, sagacious

642
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: and faithful in his expositions of nature, antiquity, and the

643
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: holy scriptures. He vindicated by his philosophy, the majesty of

644
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: God Mighty and Good, and expressed the simplicity of the

645
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Gospel in his manners. Mortals rejoice that there has existed

646
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: such and so great an ornament of the human race.

647
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: He was born twenty fifth December sixteen forty two and

648
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: died on twenty five March seventeen twenty six.

649
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: Dope.

650
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: Now, of course it's actually engraved in Latin. But you

651
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: don't want to hear me butcher that my butchering would

652
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: not surprise my college Latin proposals. But the way, anyway, Newton,

653
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: he's amazing.

654
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Speaker 4: I forget how it goes, but I'm fairly certain that

655
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: it's like Galileo Newton and Stephen Hawking all have like

656
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: the same birthday or same death day or overlaps it.

657
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: To them.

658
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: Either way, Newton, I'm telling you more than just an alchemist.

659
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 4: That guy, he was amazing.

660
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Most people are like, oh, a little bit, kind of weird,

661
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: kind of quiet, stuck to himself. But what he did

662
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: with light and gravity, I'm telling.

663
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible. So there he is later in life, leading

664
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: the efforts of the Royal Mint to enter the modern age.

665
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: He done the job.

666
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: I bet he did the challenges.

667
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll except for one part. The warden was

668
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: responsible for both the capturing and prosecuting of counterfeitters.

669
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: Oh he was the UK Secret Service.

670
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not his jam.

671
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not into this.

672
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: He that part of the job was beneath him. I bet,

673
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to argue with that. Isaac Newton

674
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: bounty hunter. So it was in March that he stopped

675
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: by the Mint to assess operations. A few months later,

676
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: throw a punch.

677
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't. Yeah.

678
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: I think he had soft hands, very.

679
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: Soft hands, like like fruit, so soft.

680
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: We could bruise them. So end of July he catches

681
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: his first cases. Ward okay, a set of dies had

682
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: been stolen from the Mint, Sarah, did you steal this?

683
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: No?

684
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: I sold them. I didn't steal them.

685
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Newton's told, like, you got to crack the case.

686
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: Really, you asked the science. You're so good with efficiency.

687
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Can you ask the scientist to do something and the

688
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: means will be scientific? Totally? So he went to work

689
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: collecting data, nice number crunching. He went to Newgate Prison,

690
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: made an offer to the people on death row. You

691
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: tell me what you know, and I'll get you a

692
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: stay of execution.

693
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: That's smart.

694
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: Sure.

695
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Then he goes under so it's efficient exactly. He's like, look,

696
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mess around like you're dying soon,

697
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: so what do you know? Right, he goes undercover. He

698
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: puts on a bad boy costume.

699
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, like I'm undercover Newton.

700
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm imagining a costume that like the dude who

701
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: played Huck on Scandal war for like how he looked

702
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: before he joined.

703
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, the super Afroeddy k Unbomber, Rip van Winkle.

704
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: Totally. Okay, that's how I imagine Sir Isaac Newton going around.

705
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: He goes around all these like dives and dens of inequity,

706
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: kidding where the criminals drink and corrouse, and he chats

707
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: up the crowd and gets more intel. Are you he

708
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: went undercover?

709
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: Like mister like talking to people? Is out there having

710
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: to chat it up and like divy bars like so,

711
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: uh do you see the Ruggers game? So fellow bad person, yeah,

712
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: do you also like to throw the die?

713
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: So he just adds all that to his data set, right,

714
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: He just like goes home, amazing, pulls out his excels.

715
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: And then going on with the data.

716
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. In his quest. He also at one point he

717
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: interviewed William what Yeah, And William took the opportunity to

718
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: rail against the mint and he went on and on

719
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: about how incompetent everyone was.

720
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: Did he interviewed as a suspector as an.

721
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: Expert, as like an expert, and he's like, you know,

722
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: such a crappy operation over there. So it just like

723
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: rolls his eyes and ignores him. He's like, okay, William

724
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: child loser and so Newton like he gathers all this

725
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: intel and it starts paying off. It would eventually lead

726
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: him to William, just just not yet. So as he

727
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: put together the Stuart Restoration period version of a corkboard

728
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: with pins and red thread, he developed a picture of

729
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: this large counterfeiting operation and so he had names and

730
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: locations and the whatnot.

731
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: He invents a camera we could put photos.

732
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: Like photo realistic draw and.

733
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: See what he's done.

734
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: He needed to conduct cross examinations of the suspects and

735
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: like serious interviews for these witnesses. So he goes out

736
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: and he becomes a justice of the peace. Are you

737
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: like he gets official? Wow, He's yeah, and in the

738
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: process he successfully prosecuted twenty eight criminals that were involved

739
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: in this ring Isaac Newton for the people, dude, I'm

740
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: telling you. Like so he's still he hadn't been able

741
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: to connect everything to the mastermind behind the operation, Like

742
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: who was that? Yeah, and like so what's William the

743
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: mastermind doing? He's just running his mouth.

744
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: So he's not afraid of Newton. He's got to know

745
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: that he's on his case a little right kind of.

746
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: But like, okay, no one listens to his rants about

747
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: incompetence at the Mint. So he starts saying that the

748
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: die theft was an inside job, and he said that

749
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: the chief engraver at the Mint had sold the missing

750
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: dies to a fellow by the name of mister Chandler. Okay,

751
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: it's like mister Chandler, you say, William William knew him.

752
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: He knew him well because he was him. That was

753
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: his alias.

754
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: John Baron.

755
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: He's totally went around sold it to John Baron. It's

756
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: totally legal, totally cool. In sixteen ninety seven, William goes

757
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: to the House of Commons, and not to the House

758
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: of Common the.

759
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Rapper, but the House of Commons in Chicago.

760
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: No, and he accuses the Mint of this inside job. Okay,

761
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Like so he's not just like the Whisper campaign. He

762
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: elevates it. He goes right in there and this proof.

763
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: He brings one of the coins that he himself had minted,

764
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: but he doesn't say that I minted them. He's like,

765
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: you know it's that no good, mister Chandler.

766
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: This is on the streets.

767
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Mister Chandler keeps getting away. He's a handsome guy.

768
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: By the way, charming man, beautiful.

769
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: Dancer brings out the coin, gasps ring out.

770
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: I like to see him coming. I like to see

771
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: him going. I love the guy.

772
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: They're like, this man has cracked the case that Newton

773
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: could not. William's like, look, I just need to get

774
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: into the mint and fix the dies. Like I'll make

775
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: the impressions deeper. That would fix everything. So the house

776
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: they go to Newton. They're like, you have to let

777
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: William access the mint. He'll get to the bottom.

778
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: Newton said, no, I just got this running.

779
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Well.

780
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: He was like, legally I can't, because he had taken

781
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: an oath to forbid outsiders from having access to the

782
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: tools in the mint. He's like, I'm good with my word.

783
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't go back on an oath. He also said

784
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: that William's thing about making the impressions deeper was total bulk,

785
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: and like they're like, I don't know, it sounds like

786
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty logical. He's like, hold up. He does a

787
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: demonstration for them, and it's obvious that Newton's.

788
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: Right, He's got more patients than they.

789
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: So the House of Comments is like, okay, yeah, never mind,

790
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: as you were.

791
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: Brilliant.

792
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: Frustrated William, he goes back to his old ways. He

793
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: tries to set up a counterfeiting operation in Surrey, and

794
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: that fell apart when everyone else got bus did. He

795
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: tried to fire up another Jacobite conspiracy and he took

796
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: that ruse to court. Newton had his number. He had

797
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: finally pieced everything together, and he determined it was William

798
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: that he needed to catch. Like he's at the top

799
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: of the pyramids, so he keeps his eye on William.

800
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Newton had all the other pieces of the counterfeiting operation

801
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: in place, had arrested and convicted pretty much all the

802
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: other players in this except for William Parliament. Newton sees William,

803
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: like this is his chance. William, what is he doing

804
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: just swanning around Parliament. Who knows. So Newton has William

805
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: arrested for that Surrey counterfeiting operation Parliament, Yeah, and sent

806
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: to Newgate Prison. And the problem is that William still

807
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: had connections, so there were those in power who bought

808
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: his act and there were those who could be bought.

809
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: William had someone else pay off witnesses for him and

810
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: like telling him to scram up to Scotland, like run

811
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: up to Scotland. The charges are drop, Williams released. So

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: but William needs money because like all of his operations

813
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: are shut down, he had to spend a lot of

814
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: money getting out of the jam with So he goes

815
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: back to accusing the Royal Mint of Malfeasan's contents. So

816
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: then he goes back to Parliament and he's like launch

817
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: an investigation. He said that he'd been arrested and imprisoned

818
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: because he knew too much. They're trying to shut him up.

819
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, flips.

820
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: Newton gets called in front of Parliament and is made

821
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to answer for these accusations.

822
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: Why are you deep state muses?

823
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Right? So they of course believe Newton and William's claims

824
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: are dismissed, but the whole affair only served to make

825
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Newton white hot with rage. Like he's like me, now

826
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: he's just perpetually angry. So Newton, he's now on this

827
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: mission to destroy William Good He's like, that's it. He

828
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: goes out, he interviews every associate of Williams that he

829
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: could find, and they're all up against Syria charges. Don't

830
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: forget counterfeiting his treason. You can get hanged. The thing is,

831
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: that's why there were so few convictions, because juries didn't

832
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: want to take a life for something like that. So

833
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: like guilty verdicts were few and far between.

834
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: They just let them languish.

835
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just be like, well no, they just let

836
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: him off and just don't do it again.

837
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, oh, I didn't know he

838
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: was still in there.

839
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. No.

840
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: So Newton he wasn't going for a high conviction rate

841
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: with these criminal associates. He wanted to gather an insane

842
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: amount of charges against William, just rack them all up

843
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: until a jury would have no choice but to convict.

844
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: So there was there had to be something in all

845
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: that he would have done that would come back as guilty.

846
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, you don't just put before the one charge

847
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: and have that risk. Newton dedicated his life at this

848
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: point to the pursuit. He's determined to take him down.

849
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: He set aside all math, all physics, everything, forget gravity.

850
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: He gets taken this guy down.

851
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: One hundred and forty witness statements, he gathered troves of evidence,

852
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and then he waited and he knew that William was

853
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: going to mess up. He's going to step out of line,

854
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: and that's when Newton's going to strike. In sixteen ninety eight,

855
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: William dun goofed. So he gets this new scheme going.

856
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: He's forging malt lottery tickets. So the malt lottery was

857
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: this like early English state lottery, and the benefits were

858
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: going to be paid out of excise duties on malt.

859
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: And the government like they came up with this because

860
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: the nine years of War was not going well. Coin

861
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: supplies dweling economic crisis for.

862
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: Our latest bad joys they had a lot.

863
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: Of which was a disaster. By the I'm sure it

864
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: wasn't whole other story. I mean, like the tickets, they

865
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: tried to use them as legal tender after the lotto.

866
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, so selling children for these tickets.

867
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: So William he here's about the Malt lottery, and he

868
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: engraved a copper plate of tickets for it, and he

869
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: thought he'd get away with it and like hide the plates,

870
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: but he got busted coming from two different sides. So

871
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: another counterfeiter ratted him out to the office of Charles Talbot,

872
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: first Duke of Shrewsbury, Secretary of State. That's the same

873
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: guy that William had tried to blackmail the year before,

874
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: so he's especially excited to get At the same time,

875
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: a pawnbroker to whom William had sold a ticket got

876
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: busted with the faky and he.

877
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: Rats with it where I got it? Yeah, okay.

878
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: March third, sixteen ninety nine, William's case goes to trial.

879
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: Newton figured out a way to get a very specific judge,

880
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: assigned Judge Silathiel Lovel. What yeah s A L A

881
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: T H I E L Silathiel Lovel interesting a hanging

882
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: judge like known known to just like everyone's guilty, everyone's

883
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: hanging old fat Yeah, do mess with them. So I

884
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: told you Newton wants to die of course. Yeah, so

885
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: William rope too. Yeah. William thought the whole thing was

886
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: just about the lot of tickets, like no big deal,

887
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: and then Newton said, welcome to the show, son like

888
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: brings him in the court. He proceeds to bring out

889
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: witness after witness after witness to testify to crimes committed

890
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: by William. He brings out all these former associates, all

891
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: the ones that he's like has you know, they're basically

892
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: they're they're cooperating with the state.

893
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: He brings out everybody but senior Dildo.

894
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: Well, then he brings out all these widows of guys

895
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: that William had double crossed and who'd been said to hang.

896
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so they're like, all these women are

897
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: just lining up telling these.

898
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: They got notes and everything, like I can give you

899
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: the documentation.

900
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: William's freaking out right, he gets desperate. First he starts

901
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: acting like he's mentally ill and then mentally incompetent, like

902
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: just drooling. Then he says that absolutely everyone's lying, every

903
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: last one, right, and then his last move was just

904
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: to beg so he said if they found him guilty, please,

905
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: Well they're like, if you find me guilty, I'm going

906
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: to be sentenced to death. And that means you're basically

907
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: murdering me. So you're a murderer, now, can you live

908
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: with that.

909
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: I save you.

910
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: The judge and the jury shrugged and we're like, yeah,

911
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I could be a murderer the rope. I can live

912
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: with that. So, after like no real deliberation at all,

913
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: william Is fund guilty. Was like yeah, I mean they

914
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: look over at all the widows and they're like all right.

915
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

916
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Williams found guilty of high treason, sentenced to death by hanging.

917
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: Just a couple of weeks later, he's like awaiting his

918
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: fate and he's trying everything. He writes to Isaac Newton,

919
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: he said, quote, oh, dear sir, nobody can save me

920
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: but you. I shall be murdered unless you save me. Oh,

921
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I hope God will move your heart with mercy and

922
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: pity to do this thing for me. Newton, the cold

923
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: blooded g that he has been forced to become through

924
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: this gig, didn't answer him.

925
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: That's his move.

926
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, William told anyone who would listen that he was framed.

927
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: So now he's going on that tack. They send a

928
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: priest out to read him his last He sends the

929
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: guy away like I wouldn't have wasted that chance, brother,

930
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: I would have had that chat. So he goes when

931
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: he goes to the gallows of Tyburn Tree in London.

932
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: He yells out to the crowd that he was about

933
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: to be quote murdered under pretense of law.

934
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all agree on that one.

935
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: And he was yeah, and that that was curtains for him.

936
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: So wait, the Tyburn Tree was an actual tree, like

937
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: that was their old hanging tree he turned into like

938
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 4: the place of justice, this wide branch tree being hanged

939
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: like three four at a.

940
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Time, right, exactly, that's wild. So the Great Recoinage was

941
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: completed later that year, and with that and William out

942
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: of his way, Newton focused more of his time on science.

943
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: Seventeen oh four, he published Optics, foundational text on the

944
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: nature and behavior of light. He worked for the Mint

945
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life.

946
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: Whoa, because optics is it's probably my favorite thing he does.

947
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, wait, I know that that happens

948
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 4: in seventeen.

949
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote, he's a size Yeah, he's just all.

950
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: That work asides. If he could deal with all this,

951
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: go be undercover Newton. And then he gets back He's like, okay,

952
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 4: now about the sun.

953
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Yeah, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

954
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: I love Undercovered Newton.

955
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: Oh, I want to see Newton in a bar trying

956
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: to turn to someone savory character back from the colonies.

957
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, when was the last time you stabbed

958
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: a guy?

959
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: I did like four hours ago. Nice cud piece, buddy,

960
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: So what's yours on Elizabeth?

961
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: My ridiculous takeaway is that I, you know, just out

962
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: of principle, and it's my own personal philosophy. I'm not

963
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: a supporter of the death penalty, but I'm not sad.

964
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: It's terrible the number of people that he's set up

965
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to be.

966
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: If you think of that as murder, like knowing that

967
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 4: he knew that they were inno center that he was

968
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: not innocent, but that he was basically fingering them for

969
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 4: the guilt, then he basically, yeah, murked a bunch of people.

970
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's not just a counterfeiter. He's a multiple figure.

971
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: Not serial murder. I don't want to say that, but

972
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: it was a multiple murder.

973
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: I just when you when I start reading about him,

974
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is kind of funny, and then

975
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: you're just like, he's horrible. He's a horrible human being.

976
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't deserve one. But Newton led a bad ass. Uh,

977
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: Daves after that, I think I need a talk back.

978
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, did you do Seper?

979
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: I love you. I'm behind on episodes, but I just

980
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: listened to the furry episode. Zaren. You can get a

981
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: tail also ears, but a tail that attaches to your

982
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: belt instead of other ways. I know this because I

983
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: have a fox ear and tail set that I got

984
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: from Etsy for Spirit Animal Night at Adult Summer Camp,

985
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: which is a whole other story, but it comes in

986
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 3: handy if you forget that, you have a costume party

987
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: to go to.

988
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm getting to tell Elizabeth, you're gonna look at me.

989
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: You're gonna laugh on a show up here to record.

990
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 4: I got the ears, I got my nose, my tail on,

991
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: got some furry slippers.

992
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: No, you know, it's the summer of dark Elizabeth and

993
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: yet all, if you all, if you get your giggles

994
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: at it.

995
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: Show up here in a fur bikini. I'm gonna go

996
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: with a tale. You're right, how is that attached?

997
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Just don't come with a tin watch. That's it for today.

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