1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Laser, and I'm proud to be joined by Look. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 3: I'm a lifelong Nick fan and I don't know if 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: he identifies as a Nick now Rocket or Brooklyn whatever 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: he is. 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: He's in Taiwan right now playing Lynn Savay Jeremy Lyn. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: You know, I definitely identify with being a Nick. I 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: don't need to only have one identity, but I definitely 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: identify it with being a New York Nick. So no, 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: Well. You know, I don't know how it works because 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: you know, I obviously in the NFL, and it goes 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: both ways. Sometimes gods are like, hey, move on from 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 3: a team, they still got love. But sometimes they move 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: on from a team and they're like, man, screw that team, 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: I'll never. 21 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: Like them again. 22 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, for me, my career is so interesting 23 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: because I played nine years in the league on nine 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: different NBA teams, So honestly, like what I identify most with 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: is my most favorite teams or my most favorite experiences, 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: So New York is definitely on there for sure. 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: Well, obviously the Nicks are in the middle of a 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: huge series right now with the Pacers. 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: How close do you keep up with that? 30 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm keeping up. I mean, I'm definitely following every game 31 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: and every box score. I don't a lot of times 32 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't get a chance to watch because it's kind 33 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: of right in the middle with the time difference is 34 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: really hard. But like, for example, I was tuning in 35 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: to the twenty point comeback. Kat scores twenty in the 36 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: fourth and I'm in the middle of my lift, So 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter is in the middle of my lift, 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: and I go straight to practice and then so as 39 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: much as whenever I get to tune in, I'll just 40 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: take a look at the box score, see what's happening 41 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and things like that. But yeah, I'm definitely tuned in. 42 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: Very cool. 43 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: Look, you know, one of the reads, we'rebbing you onto 44 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: your superstar on the court Trooperstore off the Court. Also 45 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: because you've done a great job trying to destigmatize mental health, 46 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: and I want to hit that in a second here. 47 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: But I also, you know, I wrote a book called 48 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: them Breakable counter my Russian anxiety and a motivation you 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: can do. But part of it was I've gone from 50 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: broke to unbreakable. I know, both sides of it. I mean, 51 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: your story is unbelievable about you know, sleep on couches 52 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: when all of a sudden, Lindsay took over. Just give 53 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: our our listeners a you know, kind of a little 54 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: summary of that of both sides. 55 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I grew up you know, Asian in 56 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: the Asian American in the US playing basketball main name. 57 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Literally for the first twenty one years of my life, 58 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I was always an underdog, constantly being laughed at, couldn't 59 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: even get chosen to get onto teams, like no one 60 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: had any expectations for me. All of a sudden, I 61 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: signed into the NBA, and I have like millions of 62 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: people aware of who I am and having expectations now, 63 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, people who have not seen me ever play before, 64 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: like you know, even in Asia, like oh did you 65 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: see that? Like an Asian kid signed with the Golden 66 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: State Warriors, like Jeremy Lynn, let's follow and like, oh 67 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: my god, Asian pride, so you know, being able to 68 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: handle like no expectations my whole life to all of 69 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: a sudden, like I was like championinge this cause, or 70 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I was like a poster boy for I was supposed 71 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: to represent for everybody that really affected me, and I 72 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: didn't know how to handle it. And then you know, 73 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: a year later in insanity happens. And so I thought 74 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: it was already hard when I was like a kind 75 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: of a relatively unknown rookie in Golden State, and all 76 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, You're literally the number one most googled 77 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: person on the planet in that year in twenty twelve, 78 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: and that took me to another level of you want 79 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: to talk about pressure, anxiety, fear, imposter syndrome, like you 80 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: name it, Like, yeah, that was what happened. I went 81 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: on to have a nine year NBA career, my last 82 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: year was able to win an NBA championship, first Asian 83 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: American to win an NBA championship. And now I'm in 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: year fifteen, still playing in Type I play for the 85 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: new Type A Kings right now and so still able 86 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: to enjoy the game of basketball. But that's kind of 87 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: a really quick synopsis of my story. 88 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: It's interesting you said that because my first eleven years 89 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: of my career trying to be an NFL inside, which 90 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: the position didn't exist back it is, before the Internet 91 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: came out. But you know, I was making nine four 92 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks a year, broken, but living in 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: New York City, you know, having to get rides everywhere 94 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: back and forth from giants. Dandy and Michael Strahan had 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: a drive me back to New York City every single 96 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: day for the first seven years of my career. 97 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: So I'm like twenty eight grant and lincol Tunnel Fair. 98 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: That's a different thing, but it was, you know, but 99 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you make it, and you know, 100 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: I tell people like, hey, it turned out my wallet 101 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: wasn't an antidepressant. 102 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: I thought like, man, there's gonna be rainbows and unicorns. 103 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: I got fame, but I got fortunate and man, and 104 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: I've tried to explain to people it comes with a 105 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: whole different sitting problems. And I don't you know, when 106 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: I was broken struggle, but man, you didn't have all 107 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: these other problems. And people are usually like shut the 108 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: fuck up, Gladier, like you have money. I don't want 109 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: to hear it. People don't understand it's there. There's pitfalls 110 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: to both of them, but especially you, which all of 111 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: a sudden it's bestowed on you. Hey, you are an 112 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: analysts in this Asian messia where you're gonna represent everybody. 113 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: It didn't happen yesterday, but now that's New York today. Yeah. 114 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, my and I told a story. 115 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: I told a story many times. But just like even 116 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: when I graduated from Harvard, like I was preparing to 117 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: enter the NBA draft, and you know, my parents were 118 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: so far in debt. They took every last mortgage, every 119 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: last loan. IVY leagues don't give athletic scholarships. So I 120 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: was at Harvard every day, I was eating Subway sandwiches 121 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: because at that time they had the five dollars foot 122 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: long and I was just trying to save as much money. 123 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't even afford textbooks when I was 124 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: in college. I was just you know, borrowing them from 125 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: friends or going to the library or whatever. And so 126 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: my mom was like, hey, like, if you want to, 127 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, do professional sports, you have to eat until 128 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: you're full. And so she actually took whatever was left 129 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: in her four on one k and gave it to 130 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: me to be able to and she gave me two 131 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: years to chase my NBA dream. I was able to 132 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: sign in the NBA, and like you said, it was 133 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: like I understood that financial pressure and then all of 134 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: a sudden, overnight, it seems like I have everything avail. 135 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I was getting deals like, hey, 136 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: come down, sign a few autographs, will give you a 137 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: free BMW or hey, stay at this penthouse New York 138 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: apartment for free for the rest of the season. Like 139 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: you know, normally ten twelve k per month in rent 140 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: and we'll give it to you for free. Just stay here. 141 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: We want the publicity like and so, like you know, 142 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I totally understand this, the thought process of like I've 143 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: been grinding, you know, I couldn't even eat till I 144 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: was full. I couldn't afford a textbook, and all of 145 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, man, it's all at your feet. 146 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: And I would say that through it all I had 147 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: to learn like who am I? And I would say, like, 148 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I had to figure out was who 149 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: am I without all of this stuff? Because you know, 150 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: you watch shows or movies or music or whatever, and 151 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: you think that when that stuff comes, like you said, 152 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: it's like rainbows like rosen rainbow and you're happy forever 153 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: all day, every day. That's not at all the case. 154 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm not downplaying. I'm not saying that like, oh, signing 155 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: those contracts wasn't helpful me. It was great. It was 156 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: allowed me to repay the day is I'll be taking 157 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: care of my family, allowed me to pay back my 158 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: student loans, and I'm so glad, But it isn't. It 159 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: doesn't make my life good forever and solve everything. And 160 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: so I had to go through a really a multi 161 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: year process of figuring out who am I outside of 162 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: my fame, my work, my success, my wealth. Who am 163 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: I at its core as a person? And that was 164 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: that was a journey totally resonates to me. 165 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: I am probably about six or seven years ago. 166 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: Six years ago, I'm on foxing the Bell Sunday and 167 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: I'm talking to everyone home and at the second segment, 168 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: I'll never forget. 169 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: I think I'm a year four of doing ballers. 170 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: I'm the most prolific insider in America. 171 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: I have, you know, host of the UFC. And as 172 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: I'm talking. 173 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: To America giving my report, the roommates in my head 174 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: start saying, what is going on? Why are we still 175 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: so sad? What I thought, Like I said, I thought 176 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: would get here to be rainbows and unicorns, it's not. 177 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: And that's when I really started going on my journey 178 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: to figure out how to get these roommates to play 179 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: along nicely with each other. 180 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: What did you do to go on your journey? 181 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a very vivid moment. It was about 182 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: three to four weeks into insanity and by now it like, 183 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: by now, insanity's at its peak peak and I'm playing 184 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm in Chicago, We're about to play the 185 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls when they had MVP Derrick Rose, and I'm 186 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: sitting in my hotel room and I'm like, all right, 187 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I didn't take my pregame nap, get ready for the game. 188 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I take the nap. I immediately wake up, like within 189 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: thirty minutes supposed to be you know, on and one 190 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: and a half to three hour nap. I wake up 191 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: and I'm just cold, sweating, panic like almost just like 192 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: panic anxiety. 193 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: Just if you're having a heart attack. I get it. 194 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And in that moment, I remember thinking so vividly. 195 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, and if insanity is not enough, 196 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: then what is right, the nothing this world can give 197 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: me is enough. If literally above and beyond my wildest 198 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: dreams is not enough for me, then what is enough? 199 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: And I remember that empty feeling, and the reason why 200 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: so vivid is because it was so piercing. Was that empty, 201 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: hollow feeling. And so that's when I really had to 202 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: strip away the distractions, peel away the onion, the layers 203 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: of the onion that like all the fluff on the outside, 204 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: and I got back to my faith, and I had 205 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: to really lock into my faith and just remind myself 206 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: like Jesus loves me for who I am, regardless if 207 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: I score another point, win another game, regardless if I'm 208 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: insanity or I'm just jere me. Like I am already 209 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: fully loved and approved as is, and that in and 210 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: of itself is a huge weight off my shoulders. And 211 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: so I really had to get back to the basic 212 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: truth of my faith and the basic principles of my faith. 213 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: And I had to spend time with people that didn't 214 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: need anything from me, that didn't want anything from me. 215 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: I just needed to be around people who loved me 216 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: for who I are already was, and not who I 217 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: was going to become or who everyone else thought I was. 218 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: And so I would say faith and family were the 219 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: two things that really grounded me. 220 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: What did you do when you start going on this journey? 221 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: Also realized I get back in my faith my family. 222 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: But then you obviously pick up I guess rituals if 223 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: you will, for when those anxiety and panic attacks happened. 224 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Those Yeah, so you know, later in my career, I 225 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: started going to therapy, and then I started as well 226 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: as getting a sports psychologist. Now again, I'm you know, 227 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: I paved my own way. I had a chip on 228 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: my shoulder, you know. So I had this like pride 229 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: and the people around me were like, hey, I really 230 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: think that therapists would be helpful for you. I really 231 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: think the sports psychologists would be helpul And I'm like, what, Like, dude, 232 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I made it this far on my own. You think 233 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: I need to talk like there's nothing wrong with me, 234 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Like I'm a world class athlete, you know, like it 235 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: is what the pride and the ego was saying. And 236 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: to me, I had to put that aside. You know, 237 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie and say I was open 238 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: from the beginning. I pushed it off for a couple 239 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: of years and then I tried once it didn't really work, 240 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and then I put it off for a few more 241 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: years again. And so to me, or maybe a couple 242 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: more years, but to me, it was really understanding, Like 243 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want to get help from people who 244 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: literally do this day and day out and have years 245 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: and years decades of experience. It's nothing against you, like 246 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: you're still a great athlete, but like you know, you 247 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: say you want to get stronger, and what do you do? 248 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: You find a strength coach. You say you want to 249 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: get better at basketball, what do you do? You find 250 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: a skills coach. You want to be sharper mentally, or 251 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: you want to be able to handle these and be 252 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: equipped for these, you find a mental coach. And so 253 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: that's what I did. And so now you know, there's 254 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: a plethora of things I do, from subconscious questions to 255 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: visualizations to gratitude, words of affirmation. I do breath work, 256 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: like in the midst of like my biggest, my most 257 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: anxious moments, breathing. You know, I do a set in 258 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: second inhale, a seven second exhale you do through your nose. 259 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: You hold inhal inhale through my nose seven seconds and 260 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: a big excel through my mouth seven seconds and it's 261 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: a full belly body breath. And it just when I'm 262 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: focusing on my breath, I don't have time to focus 263 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: on what just happened that's making me anxious, or what 264 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about in the future that is making me anxious, 265 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: a future result that is making me anxious. I'm just 266 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: focused on my breath, and that in and of itself 267 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: has been really helpful. I've done a bunch of different 268 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: types of breath work. I've done different types of a 269 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: bunch of different types of mental exercises from E. M, 270 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: D R and so on and so forth. But to me, 271 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: the slow breath has been really helpful for me. That's 272 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: what kind of landed and stuck with me. 273 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: The breath work was so I didn't learn till about 274 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: three four years ago, which is a game change for me. 275 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: And then, you know, it's funny because you said it, 276 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: and I talked to teams about this all the time. Now, 277 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: you know, Look, you don't just run forties when you 278 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: think you're getting slower, you know lyft. 279 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: When you think you get weed. You're doing it all 280 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: the time. 281 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: But mental health, especially sports, is so reactive you don't 282 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: go see a therapist until the skyfalling. And by the way, hey, 283 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: and too many guys are afraid of going to a 284 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: therapist and they don't look at them my coaches. 285 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: I just look at my up. I got three on 286 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: speed dollar all the time. Dude, I'm not I'm on 287 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: I need I need a. 288 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean it's the stigma, right, And I 289 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: think that's like, it's like, it's just call it a 290 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: mental coach. If you want to call it a mental coach, 291 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's totally fine. Like my thing is like 292 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: and I would even suggest this, and I've said this 293 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: to my teammates. I've made strong pushes for everybody to 294 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: go see a sports psychologist, a leadership director, or some 295 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: type of therapist or somebody an expert. The reason being 296 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: is you don't want to be the smartest in the room, 297 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: surround yourself with people who are smarter than you, and 298 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: like you could be the mentally like you could be 299 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the most mentally strong person in your league. But like 300 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: if you're at operating at a ninety eight percent clip 301 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: and someone could help you get to ninety nine or 302 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: a hundreds, like why not, right, Like, wouldn't you want that, 303 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: Like if you told me from a basketball standpoint, like, oh, 304 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: you're already ninety fifth percentile, or you're already ninety eight 305 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: percent on this, but you could get to ninety seven, 306 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: Like I would never hesitate to go do that. And 307 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: that's the same with the mind, Like if someone can 308 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: take you a little bit higher, man, why not. You 309 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: don't have to be like all the way where it's 310 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: like the ground is falling out beneath you to be like, oh, 311 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: I need help. 312 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: But we're also never at We're not always always at 313 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: ninety eight. Even guys who operatey eight. There's gonna be 314 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: fifty four days, it's gonna be thirty two days, and 315 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: be sixty five days. And you want to have the 316 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: person you know to be, you know, to be able 317 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: to turn into that person at any point. 318 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: I kind of, you know, I kind of going these 319 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: things also. 320 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: I have. 321 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: Once I came out with this, you know, my stuff 322 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: after a book a few years ago. 323 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: Then I realized, man, there was so much at my 324 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: fingertips I never knew, and. 325 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: There was all right next to me, this whole lot. 326 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: You know, the first time I ever opened up, I 327 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: went to social media and I was like, I know, 328 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: so listen, you don't need to have our level of 329 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: clinical anxiety or depression whatever it is. 330 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: Like social media makes us all think our live suck 331 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: these days. 332 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: You don't share ourselves to everybody else's filtered highlight fraction 333 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: of a second of one day, and like, man, how 334 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: does it exist like that? We all feel so they feel, 335 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: but my part doesn't look like that, My food doesn't 336 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: look like that. Or Twitter, you get your ass kicked 337 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: one hundred times a minute. When I got my ass 338 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: kick growing up with the Jersey Shore grown up man, 339 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: it sucked for a month. Now it's happened one hundred 340 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: times a minute, you know. So I decided I'm going 341 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: to go to social media to say, listen, this is 342 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: the truth about me. If you understand it and you 343 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: feel it, put a comment below, because I want to 344 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: build my team up. That was hard five when I 345 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: press in and within one hundred and twenty seconds press 346 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: and said, Mercedes Lewis is going into his twenty three 347 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: in the NFL. I started training in a mixed martial 348 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: arts seventeen years ago. Hits me up and says, coach, 349 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: I knew you were crazy, and that's a Badge of 350 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: Honor in football fighting. But I didn't know you were 351 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: in pain. I'm sorry. I got you and has checked 352 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: up on me every week since. And I said about 353 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: Strayhan before. He was like, why have you never told me? 354 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: I said, dude, I was ashamed, Like we're so competitive. 355 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: You like my brother? 356 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: He said, yeah, but you took away my chance to 357 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: be your best friend for thirty years by never saying 358 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: anything like wow, right, one of deepest thing that's ever 359 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: been said. 360 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: How have your relationships changed now by opening up? 361 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: Have you noticed the difference of these relationships being deeper? 362 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: Do you look at it now, like, oh, man, I 363 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: wish I was able to open up earlier on fill 364 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: me in on your journey? 365 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I start? I mean I resonate with 366 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: so much of that now. 367 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: Cool Man was said that I was a that was different. 368 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: That was a game changing for me. 369 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: Man, That's that's like an epiphany moment right there. There 370 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: was one moment where after the end of my NBA career, 371 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get to leave the NBA on my terms, 372 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Like I just couldn't get a job anymore in the NBA, 373 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: And that was really hard for me and and I know, 374 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: I was really emotional about it, and so I actually, 375 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, every year I gave this this talk around 376 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: like what God has been teaching me this past year. 377 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: So that year I got up on stage and I knew. 378 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: I was like, if I get up in stage and 379 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: I really share truly what's in my heart and I'm vulnerable, 380 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna break down. I'm gonna break down in tears. 381 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: And I was like thinking, like should I do it? 382 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Should not? Should I do it? Shin not, It's gonna 383 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: be really embarrassing. I was like, you know what, like 384 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: I've always prided myself on me and my brand being 385 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: as authentic as possible. So I said, I'm gonna do it. 386 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: Lo and behold, I start talking about my story, this 387 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: dream that's being crushed. Keep in mind first world problems. 388 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I understand that, but it's my dream, right So absolutely yeah, 389 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: So it's my dream and it's how I feel about it. 390 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm in tears. And the next thing 391 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I know, within like twelve to twenty four hours, the 392 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: news cycle is I'm getting like made fun of, Like 393 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: it's a viral moment and I'm getting made fun of 394 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: where people are like, oh, oh, I feel so bad 395 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: for you made so much money, Like, oh, it must 396 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: be so hard, you know, it's like and that was 397 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: one side of it. But on the flip side, I 398 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: started to hear stories I got. I got a letter 399 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: from somebody who was like, dude, I was ready to 400 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: call it quits on life. Wow, And I heard and 401 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: I heard your talk and it saved me, like it 402 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: saved me, and it gave me. It let me, you know, restart. 403 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: I've heard people tell me like you know, And that's 404 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: the thing is, like everybody likes a success story, right, 405 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: like you love the success story of lind Sandy when 406 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: I was playing well. But what is actually the most 407 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: impactful for the people around you, as well as what 408 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: creates deep bonds is not that you're this this uh 409 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: this like high in the sky, petits up up on 410 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: a pedestal like superhero. It's that you fight the same 411 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: human fights that the person next to you are fighting. 412 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: And we just happened to be really good at a sport. 413 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: But we are just as human as everybody else. And 414 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: and so in opening up and being vulnerable, yes, did 415 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: a large portion of people make fun of me and 416 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: not understand what I was trying to Yeah, and that 417 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: comes with it. But I will say that the people 418 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: that really it really resonated with, like to me, it 419 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: made it so worth it. And to be able to 420 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: have somebody look me in the eye and be like, yo, 421 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: I respect you for your vulnerability. You know, this is 422 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: what you know. Thanks for sharing with what you're going through. 423 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: This is what I'm going through. To be able to 424 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: have that level of connection, Like like you said, game changer. 425 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: Game changer, I've got a lot of people, those people 426 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: who did talk shit originally since reach out saying I 427 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: get it, now get it. Thanks for tearing off the 428 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: bandit for all of us. Like, it's been pretty cool 429 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: what you're doing. I hope you're able to love yourself 430 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: up for what you're doing. It goes far beyond basketball. 431 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 3: To have one person say and you saved me, that's man, 432 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: that's incredible. 433 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I'll even say, like, you know, I 434 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: told my mom. When I first told my mom, you know, 435 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: she's she's a you know immigrant, you know, Asian, grew 436 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: up in Asian Asian background. And when I first told 437 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: my mom, I was like, hey, you know I told 438 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: my parents. I was over over lunch. I was like, Hey, 439 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to therapy. I just want to let y'all 440 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: know I'm going to therapy. I found a therapist. My 441 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: mom immediately stops eating her food. She's like, what happened? 442 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: What's wrong? And I was like, I mean, nothing happened. Well, 443 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of things happened, like a 444 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of things are wrong, but like there's no specific 445 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: like it's you know and so. But then she was 446 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: like what like and she had this like you're she's 447 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: she had this thing where she was like, you're not crazy. 448 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: You don't need that, right, Like that's her, that's her 449 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: parental instinct. As I started to continue to talk about 450 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: therapy over time, a year goes by, two years go by, 451 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm sharing how my therapist has been helping me change 452 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: in my perspective, helping me grow. My mom says to 453 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: me two years later, you know, Jeremy, like, I'm really 454 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: glad that therapy is working out really well for you. You know, 455 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: if I had a therapist, I feel like my life 456 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: would have turned out differently. I feel it, but like 457 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: I would have been able to like process things a 458 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: little bit better. And I was like, whoa like talk 459 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: about oh my god. Yeah, no, it was it was. 460 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: It was. It was. 461 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: It was really cool. And she was like and she 462 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of said like and I was like, oh, it's 463 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: not too late. She's like, well, you know, I'm already 464 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: at this age and it's you know, maybe it's not 465 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: it's not worth it. But if I had this resource 466 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: when I was when I was younger, like, it could 467 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: have changed my you know, could have changed my life. 468 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, mom, I respect that. 469 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 2: That's cool. I got I got, I know your short 470 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: on time. I got one question left for you. Give 471 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: me your That was a great story about that. 472 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: That's fantastic, dude, talk about the old issue, right, like, moment, 473 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: give me your break of a moment. 474 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: I asked, all my guess this, give me the moment 475 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: that should have broken. 476 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 3: You could have, but didn't, and as a result, you 477 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: came to the other side of that tunnel stronger forever. 478 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 479 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: So I was signed in the c BA and I 480 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: went over and this is during peak COVID with the 481 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: most strict regulations, and so I went over. I got 482 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: COVID on the way over there, and when I landed, 483 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: we were doing a twenty one day hotel quarantine and 484 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I tested positive for COVID. Long story short, I ended 485 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: up being quarantined for ninety straight days. Oh my god, 486 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: so ninety straight days in a tiny little room. And 487 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: I'll never forget after those three months. I'll never forget 488 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: the first time that the sun hit my skin again. 489 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's what the sun feels like. 490 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, But my mental health was at 491 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: such a low point, like just I was trapped. I 492 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: couldn't go anywhere. I lost twenty pounds because I couldn't 493 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: get enough food in my system. You couldn't order any 494 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: uber eats, or you couldn't order any you know, delivery 495 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: or anything. 496 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: Before you yourself too. So you're left right with those roommates, 497 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: those crazy roomates, talking a bunch of smack. 498 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: And that was the moment when about two and a 499 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: half months into those into that three month quarantine, was 500 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: when I decided I'm going to therapy. I'm no longer 501 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: putting this off. I found my therapist. Then she really 502 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: helped me through a really rough stretch. It could have 503 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: should have broken me. I ended up getting out of quarantine, 504 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: but I had lost twenty pounds. I was trying to 505 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: get back in time. I went there to play a 506 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: basketball season. By the time that I had gotten out, 507 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: I was already so late into the season, I had 508 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: lost so much weight. And then I ended up having 509 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: the worst season of my career. I was getting again. 510 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: That whole year, I was getting destroyed on social media. 511 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: I was trending, going, going, I was on the trending 512 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: list for how bad I was playing, and I was 513 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: being made fun of by everybody who was tuning into 514 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: the CBA. And that was a moment where that whole 515 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: season could have really broken me. And you know, through therapy, 516 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: through again, faith, family just kept sticking with it, and uh, 517 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've played a lot of really good 518 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: basketball since then. I've refound myself, rebuilt my body, rebuilt 519 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: my confidence and uh and now you know, I'm enjoying 520 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: my fifteenth year. 521 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: Jeremy Lynn, I appreciate it. Bro. 522 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: I was a big fan of Linz Hadley, way bigger 523 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: fan after Chalk talking to today, man. 524 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks so much, and a lot of 525 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: a lot of respect for what you're doing as well. 526 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: Keep being a rock star, man, I appreciate you. Jeremy 527 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 3: Breakable podcast