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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Forgotten Seasons, jmak Man. Today we got a

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Speaker 2: special guest, a guy that was a killerback in his day,

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Speaker 2: but we really haven't heard from much. I think I

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Speaker 2: think people are going to be excited for this one.

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Speaker 2: Today we have Josh Howard joining us. Josh, thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining the show Man.

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Speaker 1: How's it going well, BALI, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Josh Howard is one of those players even though you

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Speaker 3: play in the NBA and you can admire from afar

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Speaker 3: because you can see in the way of his game

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Speaker 3: how much he had been through and how much you know,

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Speaker 3: the league isn't handed to all of us at every time.

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Speaker 3: Some of us, you know, like myself, Josh, like myself,

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Speaker 3: fall down in the draft for various a myriad of reasons,

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Speaker 3: and it changes the directory of your career. Not everybody

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Speaker 3: gets a chance to remake themselves. Not everybody is dedicated

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Speaker 3: to them craft, to their craft like a lot like

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Speaker 3: Josh we was. When you're going through the ups and downs,

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Speaker 3: you need a couple of good veterans around, You need

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Speaker 3: a good front office. It takes a lot for somebody too.

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Speaker 3: You know to mean following the draft and then get

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Speaker 3: motivated and catapult themselves back to you know, the aw

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Speaker 3: star and in his case, being an All star some

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Speaker 3: players is just to your normal self of playing you know,

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Speaker 3: just basketball other players is getting back passing that and

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Speaker 3: getting to an all style level. And that's what I've

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Speaker 3: always admired Josh from Afar, you know, throughout his career.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited about this when Dylan appreciation even though

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Speaker 3: you hit us with that old shit about how we

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Speaker 3: can work technology, we gonna that's why, you know, get

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Speaker 3: right into the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel bad for I feel bad for you

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Speaker 2: guys because you know, I've been dealing with this for

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Speaker 2: my whole life. Like I got a phone. I got

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Speaker 2: my first phone in like fifth grade, but I was

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Speaker 2: still on the flip phone back then. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: twenty six, so like I feel like I I'm not

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Speaker 2: quite like the generation that was like an iPad baby,

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Speaker 2: but like for me even sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Just watching Kayu on the iPhone, oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know, in researching your story, like it's hard not

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Speaker 2: to kind of take take a step back and obviously

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Speaker 2: see some of the stuff that's been written and said,

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Speaker 2: and uh, Usually we talk about players that are are

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Speaker 2: and I think you fit that mold a six to

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Speaker 2: is what stuck out to me and somebody that was

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Speaker 2: outspoken about recreational cannabis use in the off seasons.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's nothing that's hidden, nothing about everybody,

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Speaker 4: like in the media world and the sports well noted

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Speaker 2: It's not wanting to stand for the national anthem.

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Speaker 1: Going on right now, mama all.

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Speaker 2: And like today, when when players do that things, oftentimes

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Speaker 2: their careers can catapult. They get speaking engagements, they get

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Speaker 2: brand deals. Uh, we've seen it a lot, and for

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Speaker 2: you it kind of seemed like it went the other way.

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Speaker 2: So when you see kind of the the evolution of

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Speaker 2: how athletes are able to speak about issues and how

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Speaker 2: does that make you feel?

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Speaker 4: I guess for me, I think you mentioned it earlier.

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Speaker 4: Just being ahead of the curve and really understanding who

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Speaker 4: and actually kind of I guess you say, proud that

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Speaker 4: I kind of took one for the team, because at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, you know, I had to

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Speaker 4: that those times people really wasn't ready to hear those.

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Speaker 1: Things I was saying.

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Speaker 4: And like you say, now that it's evolved into more

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Speaker 4: of a you know, understanding the athlete more, you know,

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Speaker 4: as far as them being more than the athlete. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's kind of gratifying to see that athletes are able

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Speaker 4: amazing to see, you know, people not really understanding that

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Speaker 4: I am a person, a human being, afore as an athlete.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have mores and values. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: an African American man for that much. So understanding where

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Speaker 4: to me to understand what I was saying. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: for me, even what you're saying, like my career you know,

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Speaker 4: at it from an athlete standpoint. Yeah, everybody said stuff,

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Speaker 4: but athletically I played ball. And when I got traded

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Speaker 4: that's my first major injury ever in my career. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just going into my seventh year. So that derailed

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Speaker 1: Which every year I played, I mean, if.

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Speaker 4: You check my record and not being funny, I played

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Speaker 4: every year after the situation happened.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I definitely left that behind.

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Speaker 4: I just wish I never got hurt because I loved

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Speaker 4: the game of basketball and like Johnny said, just admiring

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Speaker 4: me from Afar. And I've never been one of those

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Speaker 4: guys that wanted attention, Like you can never say I

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Speaker 4: look for attention, you know, I just let my game

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Speaker 4: do the talking. So that in itself again helped me

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Speaker 4: grow as a man, you know, and understanding that people

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Speaker 1: To know you, so you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: I guess you said at this point because you know,

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Speaker 4: even moving forward, it's crazy that I'm still talking to you'll.

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Speaker 4: I haven't had anybody ask me that question a long time.

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Speaker 4: Being a mentor now to a college team has been

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Speaker 4: like the best thing because they've seen that I've been

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Speaker 1: So to pass that that along and them have a.

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Speaker 4: Physical NBA All Star coaching them at at a lower

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Speaker 4: level where you never would think too many coaches that

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Speaker 1: You know, they're very thankful.

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Speaker 4: And gratify, gratified or thankful excuse me, the same thing

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Speaker 4: that I'm the coach.

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Speaker 3: It should be. And it's funny that a man of

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Speaker 3: out over the beginning of the Internet and a couple

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Speaker 3: person you are. I commend you for just getting to

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Speaker 3: year after year because everybody don't, you know, get back

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Speaker 3: year after year after year after year. So I always

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Speaker 3: admired people that got it, that fell down in the draft,

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Speaker 3: got it, got his place as a starter, got back

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Speaker 3: to an All Star game, got most improved, whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: whatever accolade it was for us in the association. That's

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I always admired people who were cheated

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Speaker 4: Craft, any career. Yeah, man, So yeah, like you said,

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Speaker 4: it's a blessing. Man, I think, like you said something else. Doubtless,

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Speaker 4: Mark Cuban in those times when I was getting a

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Speaker 4: lot of roal culee, he supported me, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I see a lot of that when

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Speaker 4: you know, Kyrie was dealing with his stuff and Cuban

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Speaker 4: that's an inside thing, you know. And I had a

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Speaker 4: of of what helped me continue on and be, you know,

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Speaker 4: the player that I knew I could be, regardless of

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Speaker 4: you know, I had to definitely couldn't drive to the

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Speaker 4: to the league. But you get what I'm saying. It's

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Speaker 4: just continue to fight and continue to play.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned like that the hate mail was that mostly

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Speaker 2: after the national Anthem video came out going on, but

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Speaker 4: Gobama all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely, and

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Speaker 4: it was it was, you know, again for me, it

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Speaker 4: you know, it's really people out here that that die hard,

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Speaker 4: you know, for it for the cause, which you.

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Speaker 1: Know now I understand.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I still don't think it should have

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Speaker 3: But to be honest with you, Josh, even back then,

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Speaker 3: I mean, have camera flows not being invented, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: It just so happens that YouTube is starting to get popular.

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Speaker 3: People are blogging, yeah, yeah, I wanted to be around

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Speaker 3: still still on what you still done? Nothing you said

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Speaker 1: I can't say. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So your intro to the MAVs two thousand and three

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Speaker 2: This is Steve Nash's last year in the MAVs uniform,

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Speaker 2: that they're coming off a really tight and brutal two

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Speaker 2: and there's allegedly some friction between Cuban and Nelly based

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Speaker 2: on playing Dirk. I want to dart with Dirk. He

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Speaker 2: plays the five this year. We hear a lot. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 2: he's one of maybe the best offensive big men ever,

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Speaker 2: maybe the best international player ever. What were your expectations

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Speaker 2: about Dirk before you got to the Maps and then

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Speaker 2: what surprised you or was validated when you first got there?

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Speaker 4: Expectations Bro. Coming from where I'm from, I was just happy.

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Speaker 1: To be in the league. I ain't even know who

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Speaker 1: was on my team.

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Speaker 4: I did know they was good the year previous, and

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Speaker 4: I knew about Fenn, Nash and Dirt, But as far

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Speaker 4: as like just getting to Dallas, man, I was just

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Speaker 4: a kid in the candy store.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Just just you can hear them my voice, Bro, just

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Speaker 4: going back, you know, twenty something my year. So to

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Speaker 4: I can honestly say, once I seen those three guys

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Speaker 4: an international star before I got here, and to see

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Speaker 2: I know of what what veterans on that team taught

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Speaker 1: It's simple, shoot when you're open.

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Speaker 4: And it sounds like, you know, cliche, but again you

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he touched a lot of those throwback

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Speaker 1: So man, and what he did.

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Speaker 3: That was well said, Josh. Yeah, yeah, I was loving

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Speaker 2: Harrison a couple of other people have told us, like Nelly,

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00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 2: all he cared about that year was beating his old team,

439
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Like after that was done, he was cool. He didn't

440
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 2: even care about the next round. So there was a

441
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 2: little something extra in both of those series. I don't

442
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: know if you could feel that at the time.

443
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I could, you know, as far as like,

444
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 4: you know, the situation's going on. But again for me,

445
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 4: it was just like showing them that I was gonna

446
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 4: try to win every game, you know, regardless of that.

447
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 4: But of course with the momentum, definitely those series, like

448
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 4: Nash was lights out and Devin, I wanted to say,

449
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 4: was a rookie. So you know, for him being a

450
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 4: rookie having chased all NBA excuse me, MVP, you know

451
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 4: that definitely was tough for him.

452
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Shit the hell I had to guard him a couple

453
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: of times.

454
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, So you know it definitely,

455
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: you know, show you showed what he could do under

456
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 4: under pressure.

457
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 3: Since you had to guard him. Josh, what's the hardest

458
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: thing about Garden? Still as Steve nash Man, you know

459
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: how to use the chicken wing.

460
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 4: He knows how to use his shoulders and elbows to

461
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 4: get his shot off.

462
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: And then again even when.

463
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 3: You get even when you try to get him with

464
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 3: with being taller and everything and and use and linked,

465
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 3: he's still gonna be able to in them close quarters

466
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: get to where you need to get to.

467
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta I got a picture if I wish

468
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 4: I had it. I got a picture when he was

469
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 4: playing with Phoenix and I'm guarding him and I'm like

470
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 4: kind of like hunked over him, and you can see

471
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: him using his elbow in his foot to like shield

472
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 4: me off, you know, knowing how to use his body.

473
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: So he's definitely like a master of that.

474
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 4: And then like I said, man coming off one two

475
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 4: dribble full up man, that thing going in with Steven

476
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: and his.

477
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Speaker 1: Prime like draws.

478
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 3: Yes, then he's gonna get to play playing with his

479
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: playing with his head and.

480
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Licking off the ball man.

481
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you got to play with him and

482
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: j Kidd? What are they What are the similarities and

483
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: differences on the offensive end of playing off of both

484
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: of those guys.

485
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: I mean, they were definitely an extension of the coach,

486
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 4: if not coaching the whole game without coach having to

487
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 4: say a thing. And again, like I said earlier, just

488
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: knowing where you were supposed to be at and understanding

489
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 4: what type of player with y'all you were.

490
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: Like I say, both those guys knew I would get.

491
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 4: Out on the break and run, so they knew all

492
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 4: they had to do was catch it and see me

493
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 4: take off. They know I'm definitely gonna catch it or

494
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: do the right you know thing.

495
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: With the ball.

496
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: So just having those two guys and their their mindset

497
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 4: about just playing through you know, bullshit because they were

498
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 4: the point guards and they had to wheel us to win,

499
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: was definitely an attribute to both those guys had.

500
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: It's like fighter pilots basically, you know what I mean,

501
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 3: how to make tough decisions real quick, dealing with Itottom

502
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: Jason and Steve Nash might as well be wear the

503
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: top gun.

504
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: Matt.

505
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: You can't. Yeah, you can't shake them. They know where

506
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: like you said, they're throwing you open. They know where

507
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: you're supposed to be. They know what the coach wants,

508
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 3: but they know what the players want, and they know

509
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: everything in between. They're like, you know what I mean, like, nah,

510
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: don't run that, run this. You know, they know how

511
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: to communicate between, like I got you so like those

512
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 3: are high. I played with j Kidd. I never got

513
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: a chance to play with him in the league, but

514
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: I played with him in U C l A and

515
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: the Men's Yeah, and I was like, man, I wish

516
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: I can get on one of your team because he

517
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: got a lot of players, him and Nash, they got

518
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 3: a lot of players. Play just going to your spot

519
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 3: and getting rewarded. That's all you have to do. Figure

520
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: it out, get out on the break. Don't be able

521
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: to get out on the break. You're really going to

522
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: take care of you. But if you don't want of

523
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: them drunker spots, I want to got a little favorite

524
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: spots where they label us, and then that's all you

525
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 3: gotta do.

526
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 4: Man.

527
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: They launched people's whole careers.

528
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: Just being off. Yeah.

529
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: I wonder what if Steve Nash looks like in today's

530
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: game because he was I mean, he was only putting up.

531
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: He wasn't like a score scorer. But if he was

532
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: shooting the volume of a of a guard today, that's

533
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: an easy twenty five, twenty five and thirteen.

534
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, just think about the mid range guys because with

535
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: the Shae Kidd in Oklahoma DeRozan, those mid range guys,

536
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 4: so they get to the spots off the screen and roll.

537
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 4: So he would he would fit, you know, but he

538
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: would pass more like. So with that being said, it

539
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 4: just I guess it depends on the knockdown of the

540
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: three because now the game is faced out even more.

541
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: Like you said a lot of times that we're guys

542
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 4: in the dunker spot, but now you got to hit

543
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: him out to that three, that corner three, that that

544
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 4: wing three.

545
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: Who gave you your toughest introduction to like wing and

546
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: download play because back then a lot of those three

547
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: men will get you down in the post like a

548
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: roun our test. The mash burn T.

549
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 4: Mac, the ones that gave me the worst problem on

550
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: the block would probably be our test because he was

551
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: he was strong, like it wasn't no moving him, and

552
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 4: then he could score an unorthodoxed game. But he could

553
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 4: score like, yeah, you think he going right? He going

554
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: left through you and he telling you he going left. Yes,

555
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: I always tell people Tracy McGrady was the hardest, but

556
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: not because of the block, because he had y'all mean

557
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 4: as a screamer and to negotiate that fellas like you

558
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 4: don't understand until you got to deal with it. And

559
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 4: Dennis Tracy McGrady, who was Kevin Durant before Kevin Durant,

560
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: So saying that to say, as soon as you're getting

561
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 4: over that screen.

562
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: It's bucket like I done.

563
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 4: Been a part of them games where him and Dirt

564
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: were going back and forth. Remember he probably scored about

565
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: twenty of them points on me, and I was a

566
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 4: good defender, you know what I'm saying.

567
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: So you were in the series.

568
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: You were in the series when t mac dunkt and

569
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: Sean Bradley right.

570
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Gets quite on time look at the extension. Yes, I

571
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: thought I was in the game when I seen highlights

572
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: of it.

573
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: I was on the bench. I thought it was my

574
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: mister signing. Definitely was definitely was on the bench.

575
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, hey, why why were they?

576
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: The Mavericks had a certain type of big right Josh

577
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: the airy Dampiers and then and then josh Uh Sean Bradley.

578
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, There was a certain mode

579
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: for the big in Dallas, right. You weren't I am

580
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: I right. You weren't asked to do a lot but rebound,

581
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: clog up, to paint a little bit. You didn't have

582
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 3: to do a lot offensively, you know what I mean,

583
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: A little bit of sexy garbage word, you know what

584
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: I mean, clean up around the basket.

585
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: Was it was?

586
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: Was that because dirt was what he was and there

587
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: was no need for you know, an offense like damp

588
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: used to get a couple of drops. I remember having

589
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: a guard down a couple of times early when they want,

590
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: you know, you feed big dudes early, so we'll set

591
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: screens and ship for the rest of the game. For

592
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: those who don't know, if you ever wonder why the

593
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: random big guy back then got a couple of post

594
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: ups early in the game, is because big guys, if

595
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: we don't get the ball or feel like we involved,

596
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: we don't set screen. Yeah, we don't tell you they coming.

597
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: We ain't rebounding, we ain't running the floor, none of

598
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: that ship. So was that because was that because they

599
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: just Dirk was such a dynamic big that you just

600
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: had to have like a you know, basically standard five

601
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: and y'all were dynamic too because you could play three positions.

602
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: Steve Nash to play a couple of positions. But like

603
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: it was, was the five just had to be five

604
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: a thing in Dallas.

605
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically, and you can kind of see it still

606
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: to this day with the bigs they have now Tyson

607
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: and then Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

608
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: I think that's just something that they stick to.

609
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: And I think, like you said, they got a lot

610
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: of guys that played the four on down in different positions,

611
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: So I think it makes it easier for that that

612
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: five to really focus on rebounding and setting screens because,

613
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: like I said, those guys we named or Hell like Damp,

614
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: Damp and Sagana. Those boys used to get me open

615
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: and I definitely would reward them. I know, sometimes they

616
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: wouldn't want us to throw the ball. I was like, hey,

617
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: I'm giving y'all the ball, like go to work, you

618
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Because you know, if it wasn't

619
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: for y'all and what y'all did, like, we wouldn't be

620
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: successful too. So I think that was another way for

621
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 4: our guys to realize how important they were as far

622
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: as their role, you know, because that that was a

623
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: big role again and me playing, I definitely knew how

624
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: bad we needed those guys to just rebound, set screens

625
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: and then like you said, when it's time for them

626
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: to get those those those buckets that we needed or

627
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: like damp used to dunk and you know, do that

628
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: yell swing like that stuff right there was big because

629
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: it was a big momentum swing. So yeah, that that

630
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: that position is important that they definitely we needed those guys. See,

631
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: the common fam would lead you to believe the guy

632
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: who starts and averages for the six points is trash, right,

633
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You'll see a start that

634
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: you'd be like, he only averaged like seven year old.

635
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, how does he, you know,

636
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: keep ending up in the starting lineup or have a

637
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: long career. It's because those are glue guys. Those let

638
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: you know other people free up to just play basketball.

639
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: That they're out through all positions. There's point guards like that,

640
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: there's wings like that, there's bigs like that. You always

641
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: got to have like a glue guy, per point guard, wing,

642
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: big guy, a group in my opinion, Yeah, you got too.

643
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Uh So you mentioned that you you have two really

644
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: bad knee injuries after you get to Washington. How are

645
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: you able to like stay up at those times? Like

646
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: like you know, you said, the two first big injuries

647
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: of your career happened. Shit, maybe what a year apart

648
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: from each other? A couple of years apart from each

649
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: other both legs? How are you able to stay up

650
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: in that time where everybody everything is going wrong.

651
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: Through my faith and my family because I just started

652
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: having kids too, so for me it was just like

653
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: really living for them at that point. You know, I

654
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: still had a lot left in the tank. Even though

655
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: I knew I couldn't be a dynamic slash or slash

656
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: guy that to get to the basket like I used

657
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: to be. You know, it was still a lot of

658
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: love of the game left in and I knew like

659
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: as far as the rehab, I could bounce back from it.

660
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: So again, just moving forward and understanding that life goes on,

661
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: you know, and I got control of my what I

662
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: can control, you know, So just staying grounded, believing that

663
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: I could come back, which I did, you know, and

664
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: just believing in my agent Derrick Lofaiette did a hell

665
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: of a job, you know, negotiating with these teams to

666
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: keep me, you know, going too. So that's why I

667
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: definitely appreciate Utah, Minnesota d C for you know, continue

668
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: to trust me. It helped even San Antonio because my

669
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: last year was the first year of the G League

670
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: and I played with the Austin to ros So and

671
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: that was that was the last major injury I had

672
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: where I basically had to hang it up because I

673
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: basically had too many surgeries and like I said, kids

674
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: getting older, So just just going about that route and

675
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: you know understanding that you know I got old.

676
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: Basically it happens. Well, you maximized what you maximized, Like

677
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: although you went through what you went through, you maximize

678
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: a lot in your NBA career, Josh, Like you know

679
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: what I don't you know, I don't hear players are

680
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: peers talking about how Josh is this?

681
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Josh is that? You know what I mean?

682
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: You one of the ones that you know, solid, super

683
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: reputation known and solid. You know what I mean. You

684
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: have to follow on the sword for a lot of

685
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: other people to stand on the shoulder of giants. Like

686
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier. Yeah, you know what I mean.

687
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: So I just like it, like I said, like from Afar,

688
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: like I was going through something. I always admire people

689
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: in the league that like jumped the hump and was like, damn,

690
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: I need to figure it out. Like that, man, you

691
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: can get past, you know what I mean, the bullshit

692
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: and then get right back on try because we're all

693
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: the talent level. Stop me if I'm wrong, Josh, but

694
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: the talent level ain't that greater between the fifth and

695
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: eighth person on the bench. Sometimes at most points, it's timing,

696
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of luck, it's availability, injuries, you

697
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And injuries happen at the weirdest,

698
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: damnedest times for whatever reason. Especially it's you know, the

699
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: mental health. It's like opportunity. A lot of goes into

700
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: it when everybody's at the same But then you see

701
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: other players do this. So when somebody like I felt

702
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: like you was one of the one of us for

703
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: my own reasons, because we look like we had something

704
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: in common, you know what I mean, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,

705
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, I'd love to see one

706
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: of us. You can do it, man, let me get

707
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: my shit together. So when I talk to players, especially

708
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: ones who don't always talk. So we're very appreciated if

709
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: you spend time with us, right you know, you got

710
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff to do. But I just want

711
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: to leave you with you know what I mean. For

712
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: I never been a hater in the league, even when

713
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: I was out, and it's easy to be not always.

714
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 3: I had to work on it, but you were like

715
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: a couple of players, and not always, you know what

716
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean. I had to work on it because when

717
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: you out, you know what I mean, and you get

718
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: a little salty, you know what I mean? You like

719
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: really man, watching the games? You like, really man, what

720
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: are we looking at it? You know what I mean?

721
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: So much longer have a label or them trying to

722
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: run with some type of narrative about you and then

723
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: watching the shit on TV and seeing it anyway. I

724
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: ain't gonna get into that. I just want to end

725
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: it on man. We will appreciate of your time, and

726
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm just appreciated. I'm always gonna be a fan of

727
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: the game, and you, to me, was a person ahead

728
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: of your time. Right now, if Josh Howard comes out,

729
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: you're like a three hundred million dollar player, right just

730
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: gonna get another two hundred million dollar bag. You know

731
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: what I mean. You're on every commercial in Wuti Boot

732
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: to boot as a guy who I knew from watching it.

733
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Don't seem like you wanted that. You just wanted to hoop,

734
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, You appreciative of the experience.

735
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: I just wanted.

736
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Speaker 1: Brother.

737
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Speaker 3: I just want to congratulate you on landing on your

738
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: feet for real, for real, because I know it has

739
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: been like you having to you know, carry a bag

740
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: or two, you know what I mean, still trying to

741
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: chang your dream. So I'm just I'm just want to

742
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: congrat situation you landing on your feet. As your kids here,

743
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: you know, happened to watch this. You're being coached by.

744
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: They got a real one. I'm pretty sure that's why

745
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: they respond to you how they do. And then you know,

746
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: and maybe you know this is gonna be the you know,

747
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: sometimes the second life is the best life, you know

748
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: what I mean. We went through, we went through in

749
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: the league, but having to influence kids, helped them navigate

750
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that we did is some of

751
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: the one of the greatest awards that I know I enjoyed.

752
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: So ship Bro, congratulations for real, for real from forgotten

753
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: season facts.

754
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Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all man, thank you for having Man, thanks

755
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: for coming over, ye