1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and he is Armstrong and Getty Strong. 4 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 3: Not live from Studio c Armstrong and Getty. 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This reminds me 19 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: of our friend James Lindsay when he and his friends 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: did the grievance papers. They put out these fake studies. 21 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: They're incredibly over the top and ridiculous, but you couldn't 22 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: tell them for the real thing from the real thing, 23 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: because the real thing is over the top and ridiculous 24 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: to that point. 25 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a mock one. I could switch the mock. 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: One with the Atlantic piece and you wouldn't be able 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: to tell the difference. But the Atlantic has a piece 28 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: out today. The film Jaws came out fifty years ago 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: this month, trace class divisions differently from the novel that 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: inspired it in ways it anticipated a fight that has 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: arguably defined American politics since twenty sixteen. 32 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: What Jaws got wrong is the title. I thought it 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: was about the fish bite and peele it was. 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: It was about a scary shark biting people, and it 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: made people think, oh my god, that could happen to 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: me in the ocean. And the end and they catch 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: the shark and it's a bloody finale and blah blah blah. 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 2: There's nothing else to it but that. That's it. That's 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: And it's hilarious that the Atlantic is turning it into 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: some sort of class division and a commentary on today's politics, 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: or it anticipated today's politics, or whatever the crap. Anyway, 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: Noah Rothman of the National Review decided to write in 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: that style, mocking it. 45 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: Basically. Charles C. W. 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: Cook, who Joe and I both really like responded to 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: Noah's peace by saying, I am in awe. 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: Let me read a little bit from it. 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: The character Quint, that's the guy we just heard from, 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: the guy who owned the boat that says we're in 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: need a bigger boat. He's the salty old dude. The 52 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: character Quinn represents the suppressed male id, which struggles against 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: structural and metasocial taboos, prescribing the full expression of the 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: archetypical masculine ethos. He is consumed by the sleek white 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: metaphor of sexual equality, against which he rages until the 56 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: last minute he bids farewell and adieu, not to those 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: Spanish ladies, but to the shackles of conventional gender roles. 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: Exactly what I thought, exact that's what I took from it. 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, when I watched the Shark movie, I mean, this 60 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: is no more over the top than the Atlantic piece. Really, 61 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: the drive to open the beaches by the fourth of 62 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: July is a classic expression of American jingoism and the 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: blood spilled over his rote commitment to commercialism as an 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: unremarkable feature of the rapacious capitalist enterprise. 65 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: I find that sort of thing. 66 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: Hilarious, and that it is so not even this much 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: different from the actual pieces. 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: Some of these crazy people write about. 69 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: This stuff right right, So easy to bamboozle them if 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: you know the language to throw around. 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: Noah Rothman actually said at the end of he said, 72 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: this is really fun. No wonder so many people do 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: it for a living. One more Jaws a portrayal of 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: the monstrous menacing and potentially violet other foreign, indeed alien. 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: It haunts its pursuers, dominates their conscience, and is subject 76 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: to abuses and indignities until it meets out the righteous 77 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: vengeance of accumulated transgenerational memory. The Shark is the global South, 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: the black and brown daspora of the bun Dung Revolution, 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: whatever the hell that means. And I'll just give you 80 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: one more that I like Martin Brody. Who is is? 81 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: Is that the uh oh Brody is the police chief, 82 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: right okay, the weak and crumbling edifice of the post 83 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: war consensus. Exhausted and plagued by indecision, He serves as 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: our to the fraying social order of the past. 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: His triumph is pyriic. I mean, it wasn't worth it. 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: Perched atop a sinking ship, dealt a mortal blow by 87 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: the rising vanguard of the subjugated and militant. His reprieve 88 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: from the oppressor's fate will be short lived. The Atlantic 89 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: pea is great. The Atlantic piece that I read is 90 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: so not much different than that. Yeah, and it's just 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: who dude are It gets to the previous conversation of 92 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: like Trump and this man, this New York mayor dude 93 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: whatever his name is being in on the joke. Is 94 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: the Atlantic in on the joke that they know it's 95 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: a joke and they're writing it for their readers who 96 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: think it's. 97 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: A joke, or they all taking it seriously. This crap. 98 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: No, you know, it crystallized in my head that in 99 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: the same way that if you want to like get 100 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 4: the tension or sell practically anything to a twenty three 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 4: year old male, at least in the past, appeal to 102 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 4: sexual desire and they'll just buy anything. And to women 103 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 4: it's you'll be beautiful and desirable and people will like you. 104 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 4: They will freaking buy anything. Appeal to the intellectual vanity 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: of a certain crowd, and it's mostly on the left. 106 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: If you make them believe believing this makes you better 107 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: and smarter than everybody else, they will believe freaking anything, 108 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 4: no matter how laughable it is. Lendsy and pluck Rose 109 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: and Bogosian with their experiment. You mentioned the infamous the 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: Grievance study papers. I mean they are the best example 111 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: ever of that. You could not make it so stupid 112 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: that the intellectual vanity of these people wouldn't make them 113 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 4: lap it up. 114 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. The Atlantic piece is actually about the different political 115 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: orientations of the book versus the movie, and how the 116 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: movie got it wrong in portraying class distinctions as opposed 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: to the book. 118 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Nobody watched the. 119 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: Movie and came away from it thinking about class distinctions 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: at all. It didn't get them wrong. It didn't get 121 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: them at all. It's a it's a horror film. 122 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: It's just a short close the beaches, or don't we 123 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: there's tremendous money at stake. 124 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: That's just a really good subplot, sure, exactly. And whether 125 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: it's a guy in a hockey mask coming on campers 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: with an axe or a shark in the water, that's 127 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: what it is. It's got nothing to do with class 128 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: distinctions or any of this other crap. And it didn't 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: foresee our politics fifty years later. 130 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: What is wrong with you people? If you were to 131 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: read more of the Atlantic one and then give us 132 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: all an hour to go about our lives, I think 133 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: it would be impossible for each of us to remember 134 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: which one was the parody and which one was realized. 135 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: Is your point, obviously, But yeah, what a bunch of 136 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: mumbo jumbo. There are some ideas so ridiculous only an 137 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: intellectual would believe them. Thomas Sowell, I'm paraphrasing. 138 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: And talking about the Brody is a recent transplant from 139 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: New York City. 140 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: This is from the Atlantic, the actual piece. Brody the character. 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: You should have just read it and asked us which 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: one of us? They just guess. 143 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: Brody, the character in the movie, is a recent transplant 144 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: from New York City in the film, living a seemingly 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: idyllic life, and Amity went a home with a home 146 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: on the water, although he is not college educated. 147 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: What the hell's it got to do with me? And 148 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: didn't anybody even know that? 149 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: His primary virtue is that he defers to people who 150 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: are and it becomes a foil for Amity's working people, 151 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: who in the film are portrayed as unpleasant or obtused 152 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: and at best well meaning but shortsighted. What are you 153 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: talking about? That was what I said. 154 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 4: I walked out of Jaws and I said, you know what, honey, 155 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: the working people are so obtuse. 156 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: In that movie. I couldn't enjoy it. Yeah. 157 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: And if you ever go to Universe, and we've probably 158 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: most have us done that. If you've ever been to 159 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: Universal Studios in Los Angeles and the old jawsh shark 160 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: comes out of the water and you go ah to. 161 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: Gets you kind of wet, that's exactly what you think. 162 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: The obtuseness of the working class, that's what you're thinking about. 163 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: Wow. 164 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: Just you know what, you peep a fine, do what 165 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: you I just don't want you in charge of anything. 166 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I used to think that too. 167 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: I don't want you to exist dull, or you need 168 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: to be in a camp or okay, fine, you can 169 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: live your free life is in camp, but you don't 170 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: get to be in college teaching kids this crap and 171 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 3: convincing him it's true, because that is a problem for me. 172 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Ugh, so true. Now wow, speaking of delusion, Wow, wow. 173 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it just blows my mind that you watched 174 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: the Shark movie that's what you came away with. 175 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's a great example of if you spend 176 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: your all of your time looking for something, you will 177 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: find it well, whether authentically or not. It's like the 178 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: race of session crowd that sees everything through the lens 179 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: of race. 180 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they'll cook up you know. 181 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: Examples both real and imagine where people have racial feelings 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: that aren't very pretty, but if you don't spend all 183 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: your time looking for them, like plenty of black and 184 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: brown and pink people all over the world, you're just 185 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: not worried about it. Life is fine. 186 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: I just in my mind conflated the two I was thinking. 187 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: I was about to say, in the example of the 188 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: shark as the other representing the brown and black. 189 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: No, that was Noah's thing, right right, Yeah. Did you 190 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: ever have a college class like this? 191 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: This was hot like for our age subliminal message in 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: advertising and how they're doing it all the time. 193 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: I remember the college professor. 194 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: Putting up a can of coke with the water droplets 195 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: on it and saying, you see how this water droplet 196 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: is clearly a woman's body and this one is It's no, 197 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: they're just water droplet's. It's like staring at clouds and 198 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: you can think they are anything. There's no subliminal anything 199 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: going on here. It's just you're making this, this is crap. 200 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: Whatever. 201 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just sound confident and people will buy it, 202 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: particularly if you're you know, within the ivied walls of 203 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 4: the university, and if you're saying the old youngsters they 204 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: don't know better, combined with I just need to remember 205 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: this because you're going to ask me about it on 206 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: the test. 207 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show, The 208 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty Show. 209 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: A question for I guess anybody on the staff, so 210 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: it could be you know, anybody who works with me. 211 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: This is I know, and I know what the answer 212 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: is going to be. Yeah, and there's a point to this. 213 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: They can help you, you the listener, if you suffer 214 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: from RBF resting bitch face, which is a common thing, 215 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 3: do I, Jack, Do I come off as unapproachable when 216 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: really I'm just this is just my normal face. 217 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I see everybody hesitating. Let me lead 218 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 4: the pros a million yea. I have sat in meetings thinking, 219 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 4: oh my god, you're radiating hate visibly. 220 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: So that's the first question on the whole. Do you 221 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: have RBF and what to do about it? Thing that 222 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: I came across. I've been working on this for two 223 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: weeks and I think I'm getting somewhere. 224 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, yeah, so some of it is. 225 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: And I came to this idea on my own, but 226 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: actually did a research and it's a common thing practicing 227 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: neutral expressions. It's the whole resting bitch face is just uh, 228 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: you know, maybe you were born that way or for 229 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: some reason, a lot of people with age you just 230 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: get used to like, you know, your muscles relaxing and falling, 231 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: and you're the falling muscles of your face kind of 232 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: puts you in a frown for a lot of people. 233 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: And I've known. 234 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: Lots of people older people like that happens regularly with 235 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: old people where you see a guy or a woman 236 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: who just looks so grumpy and you engage them at 237 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 3: all and they just light up with a beaming smile. 238 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 3: They're not grumpy at all. That's just their face sagging. 239 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: But why do you laugh at that, kittie? 240 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: Like God, I can just picture you saying that to somebody. Oh, 241 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: you're actually quite pleasant in your face was just sagging. 242 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 4: You're not a nasty human, right, And they're thinking I 243 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: was thinking the same thing of you as psycho killer 244 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 4: looking bastard. 245 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: There are practical things you can do if you're concerned 246 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: about resting bitch face or as friends have told me, 247 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: I've got our mf resting murdery face like a step 248 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: beyond arbah. Whether you're trying to change how others perceive 249 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: you or feel more approachable, and here's a rundown of 250 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: your options, practice neutral expressions. 251 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: In the mirror. 252 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: I had been doing that, and now I've been walking 253 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: around with what I hope is at least a neutral 254 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: expression on my face most of the time. Slightly lift 255 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 3: the corners of your mouth to create a softer, more approachable, 256 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: resting face. You can also practice relax brows if you 257 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: got furrow brows. I don't have that, but I do 258 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: have the mouth thing. Even if your face seems serious, 259 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: open posture and eye contact can off set it also, 260 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: But intentional smiling is a big thing. Try the soft 261 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: smile when you're in social settings, barely upturned lips, not 262 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: no need for a full grin. 263 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: That's the thing. I've been traveled by. Oh okay, so 264 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: it's kind of it was kind of fun. I was 265 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: on vacation, so you know, I'm around people I don't know. 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: So I was able to practice it a lot and 267 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: I got results, and I was comfortable practicing because I 268 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: don't know. 269 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: If I practiced. 270 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: You know, if I first started practicing around here, people 271 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: are gonna say are you okay? 272 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: Are you constipated? Or do you want something? 273 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: Or if you go too far with the silly grin, 274 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's like, are you gonna kill me? 275 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean, what is happening right now? Yeah? 276 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Why do you have that 277 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: look on your face? But I noticed, and this is 278 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: so crazy. I was going around with the kind of neutral, 279 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: slightly upturned expression and getting a noticeably better result out 280 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: of people that I interacted with, whether it's just somebody at. 281 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: The coffee shop or just walking down the street. Yeah, 282 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: it's crazy. I've been doing this my whole. 283 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: Life, walking down the street looking like I want to 284 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: kill you and radiating hate, as Joe said, and getting 285 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: an immediate result by trying to change that. 286 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, wow, that's interesting. 287 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: There's a person who I love very much, who will 288 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: remain nameless, who has the who has had to learn 289 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: not to be completely transparent when you've lost her interest, 290 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: Like she'll tell a story. Then you'll tell a story 291 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: and you'll just see click that moment, I totally lost 292 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 4: interest as the you know, and we have been working 293 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: on a oh my god, cheerfully attentive look. 294 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: Hmmm. Oh, I'm doing it right now, right, So it's better. 295 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 5: I like it. It's better. 296 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: I feel we're no longer afraid. 297 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting about it, the whole just 298 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: it's kind of similar like with stretching, you just get 299 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: used to your muscles being in a certain way. In 300 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: my face, in my mind, it feels like I'm grinning 301 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: like the Joker from Batman. But I look in the 302 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: mirror and it's just completely neutral because my muscles are 303 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: so formed to frown. 304 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna take her. 305 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta make sure I check on a 306 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: daily basis so I don't end up walking the halls 307 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: grinning like a homicidal lunatic. 308 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: Well see that's the idea across the line right here. 309 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah like nice, yes, nice, very good. 310 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: It feels really uncomfortable and unnatural for me, But like 311 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: I said, I've been getting better result results, So give 312 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: it a whirl, see. 313 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: If you can change it. 314 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: And of course the idea with like with stretching and 315 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: lifting rates or whatever or posture is it becomes your 316 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: habit and it just becomes normal and natural and you 317 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: don't have to try anymore. 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Each Ohio class sub 327 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 6: can carry twenty Trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each, 328 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 6: meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one 329 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 6: hundred and sixty cities at once. 330 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: I thought it would be good to play something current 331 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: before we get into a discussion about the anniversary. Eighty 332 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan. We 333 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation. 334 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: People are still willing to fight to the death over 335 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed 336 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: on that front since World War II. World War One 337 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: was going to be the war to end all wars. 338 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger. 339 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: And since World War Two, we have now had more 340 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: people die in wars since World War. 341 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: Two than happened during World War Two. 342 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: And I believe as we speak, we have the most 343 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 4: armed conflicts going on Earth that has been recorded. 344 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: Really, just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's 345 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: like one hundred and forty or something like that. 346 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of 347 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed 348 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: so often, or narratives catch on and they just become 349 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate, 350 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: and it's just the way it is. Like our friend, 351 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote a book a 352 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: couple of years called The World Wars, and he was 353 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: trying to make the argument that it was really separate 354 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: wars that we call it World War Two, but there 355 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 3: were separate wars going on that really didn't have much 356 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: to do with each other. This other book that i'd 357 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 3: been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B. Frank 358 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: It's the most recent book written about Downfall was going 359 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: to be the was the campaign for US to end 360 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 3: the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen 361 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated 362 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: at this point, and we needed to figure out how 363 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy. 364 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't 365 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: really have much to do with each other. There are 366 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: a couple of ins stances when Japan and Germany kind 367 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: of worked together, but if it ever came down to it, 368 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. These are two incredibly racist 369 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist. 370 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: On planet Earth, so at stay the hell away. 371 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: The Nazis would have killed every Japanese person on Earth 372 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan was 373 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior to 374 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States. And 375 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: this Frank's guy is trying to make the argument that 376 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't worked yet. 377 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: That World War Two started in nineteen thirty seven when 378 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: Japan invaded China and started taking over that part of 379 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: the globe. Because we're mostly from Europe and we're so 380 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: Europe focused, and most of our World War two movies 381 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 3: are about Europe and fighting the Nazis, we just we 382 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: don't we think World War two started in September of 383 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and all those 384 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: countries and start doing their thing. But the Japanese invaded 385 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 3: China in nineteen thirty seven and started one hell of 386 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: a war. Eight million Chinese had died at the hands 387 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: of the Japanese. 388 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: Before Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese. 389 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's 390 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 3: ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to 391 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 3: Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened, 392 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 3: I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than Hitler, 393 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan 394 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: controlled twenty percent of the planet what they were fighting 395 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: at the time that we defeated him, a significantly greater 396 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: chunk than the Nazis took over. 397 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: Even though they took over most of Europe and call 398 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 4: it racism or bigotry or just resentment. But I've always 399 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: reacted to the obscention unspeakably stupid statement from progressives that 400 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: only white people can be racist, because ask Korean about 401 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese ferson about the Chinese, 402 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: Ask a Filipino about any of them. Oh my god, 403 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 4: will they bring the hate anyway? But part of that 404 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know, killing eight 405 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: million of our people, often in horrific you know ways. 406 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end, 407 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to 408 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: get close enough to the main island of Japan to 409 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 3: at the time we thought we were going to invade. 410 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because 411 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty 412 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties 413 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: happened in the last year of the war. Half of 414 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months 415 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: as we were fighting island to island. By the time 416 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: we got to Water Canal was the first battle in 417 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: which we lost more people, more men died that were 418 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: US soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just figured 419 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 3: that that was going to continue as we got closer 420 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: to the island and then invading the island, we were 421 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: going to take way more deads than they were going 422 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: to take. So people who make the argument we shouldn't 423 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: have dropped the bomb, why do you think we should 424 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 3: suffer more losses than the people that attacked us? 425 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: What's the argument there? 426 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on 427 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 4: that side. Loyal listener Mikey San Francisco urged us me 428 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for 429 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: two months in three weeks and was one of the 430 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: last big ones before we were either going to invade 431 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa, 432 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties, 433 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 4: also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army. According 434 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: to localists, at least one hundred and forty nine thousand 435 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: Okinawan people were killed, died by course suicide, or went missing. 436 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: So, yeah, the. 437 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: Carnage at the end was Oh, it's unspeakable. It's unthinkable. 438 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: It is a version of total war that is practically 439 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often, 440 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. And then as to the idea that 441 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had 442 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence, 443 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently, 444 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had 445 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: been surrendered in any battle. No matter how defeated they were, 446 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: they would continue to fight until they were all dead. 447 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: That was just to the last span their culture. 448 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: And it's kind of hard for us to get into 449 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: the mindset of It's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked. 450 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: They have a of mindset that we do not have 451 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: of where they would take such great pride to have 452 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: their young son go get in a plane and fly 453 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 3: it into a ship and die. They were perfectly okay 454 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: with that. It made every bit of sense to them 455 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: to serve their God, king Herohido. Thing that they had 456 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: going on that we also can't quite wrap our heads 457 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: around culturally, because it not only was it a monarch, 458 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: but it was a religious figure and we just we can't. 459 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense to us culturally the way 460 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 3: that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a fan 461 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: of World War One, you know the hole stabbed in 462 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany lost 463 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 3: and we left their government, we the Allies left their 464 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 3: government in charge. Then the young Hitlers of the world, 465 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: people that had fought in the warst started this whole. 466 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: Our government stabbed us in the back, and it's the 467 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that grew and grew 468 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 3: and grew and led to the eyes of the anger 469 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: of the German society and Nazi Germany and World War 470 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: two and all that. Roosevelt knew that, and he didn't 471 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: want to leave in Germany or Japan any He wanted 472 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan, every man, 473 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 3: woman and child in the country had to believe they 474 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: were defeated. To make sure that they either one of 475 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: them didn't rise up again. They had to all know 476 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: they were beaten, completely beaten. They were their own government 477 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: didn't stab in the back, None like that happened. They 478 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 3: were soundly defeated, and that was one of the reasons 479 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: they had to take it clear to the end the 480 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 3: way they did, combined with that nobody had ever surrendered, 481 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: so there's no reason to think they would ever give up. 482 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 3: The Japanese we now have we've only had this for 483 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: thirty years. We now have the communications that were going 484 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: on in Japan thanks to Japanese historians, there were only 485 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: six people in control of the whole decision, they called 486 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: the Big Six. Five of them were in the military, 487 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever, and they 488 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: were willing to lose tens of millions of Japanese civilians. 489 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: They believe if we surrounded them and did a blockade 490 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: and tried to starve them out, which ended up that 491 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: was going to be the plan. If we didn't drop 492 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: the bomb, we were going to surround Japan and starve 493 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: millions of people until they surrendered, which would have killed 494 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: way more people than the bombs killed. But the Big 495 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 3: Six in Japan, they figured if twenty million Japanese starved, 496 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: the world opinion will finally turn against the Allies in 497 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: the United States and. 498 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: We'll be very hamas like strategy. 499 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation. 500 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that 501 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 3: there is a way out that would have been less 502 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also mentioned it the other day, 503 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand people were 504 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on where you 505 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: know you do the cutoff because the cancer later and 506 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: everything like that. But around two hundred thousand died from 507 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow, and 508 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: then on the ninth the other bomb. Twice as many 509 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 3: Japanese as that died at the hands of the Russians 510 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 3: in the very same weeks as Russia was coming on 511 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: and taking ground and trying to take it back from 512 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: that much more ruthless than we were. 513 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: When you ever hear anybody say anything about that. 514 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, self hatred is the hallmark of the progressive 515 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 4: and they're proud of it. 516 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: They stoke it, they like it, and it's just it's 517 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: it's a perverse. 518 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion, 519 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 3: some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going 520 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships which 521 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've 522 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: only known this since the nineties, that our Navy decided, 523 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: who ain't going to do this? That's a no. We're 524 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: a no vote on that. So the ground invasion was 525 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: on Gonnam because it would have been too deadly. It 526 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: just absolutely couldn't be done. So it was either starve 527 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: them out or drop the bomb. So I went to 528 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: the Oppenheimer movie with a friend when it was that 529 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: three four years ago that that Oppenheimer. 530 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Movie came out. 531 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: This friend was a super lib But anyway, we're driving 532 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 3: away from the movie theater and we're having a conversation 533 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: about the whole should we have dropped the bomb or not? 534 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: Kind of got started the conversation, and it was very 535 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: funny because it took us ten fifteen minutes of driving 536 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: and saying, I know, can you believe that there are 537 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: some people that believe that Before we realized we were, 538 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: we had completely different positions. We're both saying, I know, 539 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking it's 540 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb. 541 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should 542 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: have dropped the bomb, and at some point and it 543 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh, 544 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those 545 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: of us on whichever side just can't believe the others. 546 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 3: I believed what they believe, and I'm on the side 547 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: of obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't 548 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: have given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people 549 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: that think it's just nuts that we opened up the 550 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: can of worms, and it's one of the great black 551 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: marks in US history that we crossed that line and drop. 552 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: Them atomic bomb on Japan. Yeah, what's the other pushback? 553 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: The best? What's the college kid, college professor pushback on 554 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: dropping the bomb? 555 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: That Japan was prepared to offer a not unconditional, but 556 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: more or less complete surrender, and that it just had 557 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: to be worked out over the course of a couple 558 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: more days of conversation. 559 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no documentation for that. 560 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 4: There are a couple of communications from a couple of 561 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: people that hint that that might be possible, and they 562 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 4: extrapolate from there and feel free. We can talk about 563 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: this as long as you want, But on the at 564 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 4: home sociological why do people believe what your friend did. 565 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: It occurred to me, and I've said this many, many times, that. 566 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: If you are on the left, you get a great 567 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: deal of social reinforcement, a lot of pats on the back, 568 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: acceptance for being a self hating American. 569 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: But it's funny. I hadn't really looked at it from 570 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: the other perspective. 571 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: You cannot be accepted in those circles if you are 572 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: a patriotic American who thinks, by and large, we have 573 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: been a great country doing mostly the right thing. I 574 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 4: mean that is you are drummed out. That's it's like 575 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: committing an act of violence, you know, at a social club. 576 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 5: That's it. 577 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for 578 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: those people. 579 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: Well, just as a response to your thing for we 580 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 3: and we can break and I want to get two 581 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: in the weeds done this. But the Big Six made 582 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: all the decisions for Japan. If there was going to 583 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: be any sort of surrender, they would have to do it. 584 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: There's no indication anybody in that group wanted to surrender. 585 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: And five of the six were in the military and 586 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: they absolutely were into fighting to the last man. So 587 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: it just was never gonna happen, right anyway, I wanted 588 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: to get this on the fifth because I have a 589 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: feeling tomorrow you'll hear a lot of news from mainstream 590 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: media pushing the idea that we did something wrong, and 591 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see how that plays on your 592 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 3: evening newscast, the. 593 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty Show. Yeah, more Jack, your show, podcasts 594 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: and our Hot Lakes. 595 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: And the Armstrong and Getty Show. 596 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: Do you have a compelling reason for why we the 597 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: eighty year anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan 598 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: is tomorrow. Do you have a reason why we focus 599 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: so much more on the fight in the nazis European 600 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: part of World War Two as opposed to the Pacific War. 601 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 4: I don't know that I've perceived that in the same 602 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 4: way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War, 603 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: partly because my father in law served there, and I've 604 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 4: always been acutely aware of it. 605 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: I don't know culturally, I. 606 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: Know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything, like, 607 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I think 608 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: it's because it was just so morally more clear cut. 609 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: Things got so ugly against the Japanese bit by bit, 610 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: island by island where both sides were just so the 611 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 3: book i'm reading read several of them. Twilight of the 612 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the 613 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: definitive books on it. He had a story. Oh, by 614 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 3: the way, we got a text the Japanese. The text was, 615 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: it's cute that you think the Japanese surrendered because of 616 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: the bombs. It was because they knew Russia was coming. 617 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: There's no documentation about that. If you have a book 618 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: that says that's true, that's a common narrative, but there's 619 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: no documentation that that conversation was being had by the 620 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 3: Big Six who made these decisions in Japan. So if 621 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 3: you have a different book that says they were, you know, 622 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: feel free to text me. 623 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: I'd be interested in reading it. 624 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't 625 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 3: remember which one it was, but this became a common thing. 626 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had 627 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths, 628 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the 629 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 3: Japanese soldiers had come across, you know, a wounded marine 630 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: cut off his junk stick in his mouth, So we 631 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: got more and more brutal, and it just it got 632 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: that way to where it was just like freaking Lord 633 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get, 634 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and 635 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 3: the blood and your own feces and everything right across 636 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 3: the islands, And that's what it was going to be 637 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 3: in Japan. And it had a story in there of 638 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would 639 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: collect gold teeth and had a story in there about 640 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: one US soldier coming across a wounded but still alive 641 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: Japanese who he then took his bayonet and started digging 642 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: in the guy's mouth trying to pry his teeth out 643 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: while they're still alive. Of some of his fellow US 644 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 3: soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot 645 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: the guy in the head to put him out of 646 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: his misery. But that's the sort of warfare it was 647 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: there at the end, and it was going to be 648 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches 649 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 3: of Japan if we actually invaded. 650 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 4: Well, and I think Europe got more coverage partly because 651 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 4: a film crew could do what they did then go 652 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you 653 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 4: can't do that in the islands of the Pacific. And 654 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: they said, crisis a legend alls. 655 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 5: A hard time. 656 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: This bad trucker with eliasa bad therapy and a mouth 657 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: they went. They covered it all this morning, and tomorrow 658 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: they'll do even more. 659 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: The arms strong and Getty showed the conscience of any