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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: This week, I'm enjoined again by TPG podcast producer Elise

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Speaker 1: Ellis to talk all things Belair season two and our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Elise and I discuss Will finding a new sense of independence,

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Speaker 1: the continuous complexity of Carlton and Will's dynamic, Hilary and

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Speaker 1: Jazz and their growing relationship, Uncle Phil and Jeffrey and

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Speaker 1: their continued romance fuel drama, and of course, the aspects

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. So we are back with another conversation

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Speaker 1: about one of our new favorite shows here on the

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Speaker 1: podcast bel Air. So we were fortunate enough to talk

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Speaker 1: to Carla Banks Waddles a little while ago and have

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Speaker 1: been very excited to see how season two is unfolding.

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Speaker 1: So as we get started today elist So usually we

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Speaker 1: have our full producer panel here today, but Elise and

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Speaker 1: at least I do want to hear what have you

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Speaker 1: excited to see how they will develop Ashley as a character,

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Speaker 1: because it seems like she's a lot more timid, a

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Speaker 1: Hillary's relationship was one of my favorite in season one,

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Speaker 1: And then Aunt Viv's art career that is a complete

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Speaker 1: So Ashley really wants him to be at her birthday party.

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting because Carlton has kind of like grown

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Speaker 1: on all of that. And I love how we see

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00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil advocate for Will get his contract right. Doc

435
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: is not making as much money as he could off

436
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: of Will, and I think that's also like a very

437
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: important touch point and another part where I mean, we

438
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: know later on that Doc and Will's new love interest

439
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: they're related, but they also might not have the best intentions.

440
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: And so I think with the introduction of Doc, we

441
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: could see another father figure that Will might be looking

442
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: for now that the truth is out about his father,

443
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: and we don't really know if he's settled into that

444
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: or if he's still looking for something externally because of that,

445
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: But that's what it seems like he's doing. But then

446
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: we also see how Will needs to kind of lean

447
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: on Uncle Phil's support, which is something he might have

448
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: a hard time given what happened in season one. I

449
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: agree with you, like it definitely seemed like shady circumstances.

450
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: When Doc is introduced as a character, and in one

451
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: of those early episodes where you know, we first see him,

452
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: he I forget who he was talking to. I don't

453
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: know if it was Jackie or if it was someone else,

454
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: but like you see him pull a newspaper clipping about

455
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil. Yeah, right, And so it seems like, okay,

456
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: like what is this about, Like it doesn't seem like

457
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: it is just about his ability to like even make

458
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: money off of Will. It seems like it is something

459
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: like involving the family, Like is there going to be

460
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: like a kidnapping or like, in what ways is he

461
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: planning to like extort the bank's family. It seems like

462
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: very much there's a plot with him and Jackie to

463
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, lure Will into this web

464
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: of who knows what? We just don't know what it is, right,

465
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: And I guess we have officially talked about who Jackie

466
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: is so for people who may be confused or need

467
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: a refresher. She is a girl that Will meets at

468
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: kind of like an outside pickup basketball game, and he

469
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: obviously likes her. They're flirting, she invites him out, shows

470
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: him her side of La and it seems like there's

471
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be a thing between them. But Will knows

472
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: that she's related to Doc and we know it too,

473
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: But what he doesn't know is that they're kind of

474
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: like in cahoots. Part of her I guess goals with

475
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: hang out with Will is like to get him to

476
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: sign with Doc, which we find out at the end

477
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: of episode four. And so I'm sad because I don't know.

478
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: I don't want Will to get his heart broken or

479
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: like his basketball dreams crushed anything like that. But I

480
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: think it's really cool for people who didn't know, Like

481
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Jackie's character was the character that Tyra Banks played on

482
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: the original Fresh Friend, So I think it's cool to

483
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: see how they brought her back in like a different way.

484
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together into we were talking

485
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: about this episode and I'll be like, oh my gosh,

486
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, So it is interesting that they you know,

487
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: she's a very different because in the Fresh Prince of

488
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: bel Air, like Jackie is a college she works in

489
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: the bookstore in college, right, and so she meets Will

490
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: much later in life. But they've introduced this character now,

491
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: so it be interesting to see like how much we

492
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: see of her. But you're right, like they have this

493
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of like flirty tension and he finds out at

494
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the club that she's actually related to Doc. So the

495
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: first couple of times they talk, he didn't even know

496
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: that there was any connection between her and Doc, and

497
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: then he finds out at the club that she's related

498
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: to Doc. But it definitely seems like a recipe for

499
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: like a heartbreak, which I you know, I'm wondering as

500
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: we go back to or at least thinking about, like, Okay,

501
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: could this be like a second chance for him and Lisa,

502
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: because we definitely know, we definitely know this is going

503
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: to come to a head. You know, I don't know

504
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: if if it's this season we'll see that, but exciting

505
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: they have announced that they've been picked up for a

506
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: season three, so we will get a season three, So

507
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to see it this

508
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: season or next season. Like when he finds out the

509
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: truth about who Jackie is and what's going on with Doc. Yeah.

510
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: So the other thing that we have not talked about

511
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: that I feel like it's kind of huge is that

512
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: we see Jeffrey is back this season, So very excited

513
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: to see him back on our screens. But it does

514
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: seem like there is some weird tension. It feels like

515
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: it's a word we keep using a lot. So there's

516
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: a lot of tension this season between lots of characters,

517
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: but there is this tension between he and Uncle Phil

518
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: even though he's back. So what do you think is

519
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: going on? Because we also see him like snooping in

520
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil's like on his computer, and it's like, what's

521
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: happening here? The bottom line is that they don't trust

522
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: each other and they're trying to act like they trust

523
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: each other. We see Uncle Phil asked Jeffrey to like, well,

524
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Jeffrey's been snooping and he knows that something's going on

525
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: at Uncle Phil's wall firm, and they were talking about it.

526
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: It's very open, but I think for both of them

527
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: it was like a test. It was a test for

528
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: Jeffrey to see if Uncle Phil would tell him and

529
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: use him as a resource. Which he did, and then

530
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: a test for Uncle Phil to see if Jeffrey found

531
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: anything else out he would tell him directly. And so

532
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: I think that's very characteristic of what happened with the

533
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: Will situation. They weren't communicating openly with each other, and

534
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: they had set boundaries, and both of them, I guests

535
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: like crossed the boundaries or like they expressed like, oh,

536
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: I think you should do this, you should do that,

537
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and they were both like no. And so I'm very

538
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: curious as to what the climax is gonna be in

539
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: this new relationship between them, Like when is it going

540
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: to be exposed that they don't trust each other? And

541
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: like how are they going to move through that? I think,

542
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: just knowing who this new Jeffrey is, he's probably not

543
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: gonna get caught snooping or anything like that. I think

544
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on Uncle Phil, who we kind of

545
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: see right now is not trusting his law firm, and

546
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: so it's gonna have to lean on Jeffrey's for support.

547
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: I hope we see them more honest and more candid

548
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: with each other because of that. But yeah, I think

549
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: it's just very interesting. But to me, it makes sense

550
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: Jeffrey went behind Uncle Phil's back, and so having him

551
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: back in the house, even though it was something so small,

552
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: he's trusted him for so long and will shook that up.

553
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: And so I think Uncle Phil almost feels threatened, and

554
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I think Jeffrey understands that, and it's trying to maybe

555
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: like get ahead of anything he can find out for

556
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil. Or I'll stay in the know because Uncle

557
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: Phil might not be telling him what's up. So yeah,

558
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: so I think it makes sense why Uncle Pheel would

559
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: still be kind of distrustful of a mistrustful of Jeffrey.

560
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know what Jeffrey was looking

561
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: for on the computer, though it seems like he's thinking,

562
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: don't find something, And I'm wondering what is his lack

563
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: of trust about. I'm not sure. It seems like both

564
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: of them repeatedly kind of mentioned Jeffrey's relationship with his

565
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: own children, and so I know that's like a small

566
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: tension point that continues to come up. But I think

567
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: what Jeffrey doesn't trust Uncle Phil about is that, given

568
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: that trust is broken overall, is he gonna tell me

569
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: everything I need to know to do my job? Is

570
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: our relationship with the same okay, And so yeah, I

571
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: guess he's trying to get back that trust or get

572
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: back that intimacy in the relationship by snooping. Interesting, you know,

573
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: so you brought up the law firm, and I don't

574
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: think that unless I forgot, I don't know that I

575
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: really understood like what's happening at his law firm. So

576
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: he clearly had stepped away, and had he only stepped

577
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: away to kind of run for da and he had

578
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: been in the firm before. But it seems like there's

579
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: like some you know, like his partner is kind of

580
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: going behind his back. And but we don't ever see

581
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil at the firm, So what exactly is there

582
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: one this season and we saw him there once, and

583
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: so it seems like at the firm they're struggling financially.

584
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil kind of brought in the most clients. He

585
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: was the big fish, the big shark there, and since

586
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: he entered, like the election cycle, the election process, a

587
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of those clients and the attraction to the firm

588
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: kind of wavered. And so now his partner, who looks

589
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: like does more like business development things like that, is

590
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: looking to get bought out, to get acquired or to

591
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: partner with another law firm, and so Uncle Phil, I

592
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: guess there's a little shocked by that, and the guy says, well,

593
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: you weren't here, and like this is what, you know,

594
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: my contribution to the businesses and we can pair up

595
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: and try to get the situation right. But we're in

596
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: a bad situation, and so I'm curious to see how

597
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil will handle that. But yeah, it doesn't seem

598
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: like they've given that storyline some real weight given we

599
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: only aren't episode four. So I hope that we do

600
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: see more of that. But what are you like excited

601
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: to see from Uncle because I feel like there's a

602
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: lot of dynamics going on with him between this season

603
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: and last season, So I'm curious, like what you're most

604
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: excited to see from that character. So I am really

605
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: curious like you to see if we get more like

606
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: meet around what's happening at the firm, because what it

607
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: feels like is there is this dynamic setup between Uncle

608
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Phil and multiple people in his life where they feel

609
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: like they have to go around him, right. So we

610
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: saw this with on vill who went to talk to

611
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Doc instead of like having a conversation with Phil about like, okay,

612
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: Ken will start working with this guy, and then here

613
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: in the law firm situation, we see his partner like

614
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: go behind his back and take these meetings. And so

615
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: to me, it feels like he has some kind of

616
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: dynamic with multiple people in his life where people don't

617
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: feel like they can go to him to like problem solve,

618
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: and so I would like to know more about what's

619
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: going on there, Like why didn't the partner feel like

620
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: he could talk to him and say, hey, we're in

621
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: trouble and let's work together to like come up with

622
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: a solution. So I think that, yeah, very about that.

623
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: And then on Viv's side, like why didn't you think

624
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: you could really talk to him about Will joining the

625
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: AU team or like why did you feel like you

626
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: had to go alone? And so I think it's gonna

627
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: have Uncle Phil reflecting on some of his habits and

628
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: behaviors that make people feel like they can't come to him,

629
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: because I'm also curious and we haven't talked about this.

630
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: Hillary is running her own business or working with Ivy

631
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: on the Influencer House, and it does seem like she

632
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: could come to Uncle Phil for a lot of her

633
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: questions and a lot of the decisions that she's making.

634
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: We haven't seen that much, but I'm curious if their

635
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: relationship will grow in that way. Because he runs his

636
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: own business, Hillary's dealing with influencers. She's always talking about

637
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: contracts and things like that. So I hope there's some

638
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: synergy there and it'll be a good switch up from

639
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: what we got in the Fresh Prince of bel Air,

640
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: where the og Uncle Phil was like really hard on Hillary,

641
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: like get a job, do something serious, and this Hillary

642
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: is doing that until I want to see how she'll

643
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: use Uncle Phil to her benefit. More from my conversation

644
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: after the break, so while we're talking about Hillary, it

645
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: does seem like so it feels like in certain situations

646
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: we see her like very assertive and like in a

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: take charge kind of situation. But it does feel like

648
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in this relationship with Ivy there is some kind of

649
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: like holding back and like not wanting to talk to

650
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: her about like what's happening with the business or that

651
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: she needs her to do certain things. What are your

652
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: thoughts about like the dynamic we see between Ivy and Hillary.

653
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: I think with Ivy and Hillary, Hillary does not understand

654
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: like financially, Ivy has the upper hand, and so she

655
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: can't lose out in that situation because technically, like Ivy

656
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: could fire her from We're Hands the Influencer House. And

657
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: so it seems like Hillary is in a position where

658
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: she knows business wise that like her ideas are the best,

659
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: but she doesn't have the upper hand. And it also

660
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: just seems like Ivy doesn't listen to her and that

661
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Ivy's more focused on growing her brand why Hillary is

662
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: focused on having everyone level up together. The other thing

663
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: that we see, we talked about this a little bit

664
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: with Hillary this year or this season, is that the

665
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: relationship with her and Jazz has become more formal now.

666
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: So they were kind of like sneaking around at the

667
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: end of the the last season, and this season we see

668
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: she introduces him as her boyfriend, he meets the parents,

669
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: she meets his parents, but this only happens after Ivy

670
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: kind of like is making a play for Jazz, Right, So,

671
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: what do you think we're going to see with Hillary

672
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: and Jazz's relationship and what do you what are your

673
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: thoughts about what we've seen so far in terms of

674
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: the meeting the parents and stuff. So it was interesting

675
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: because I first Hillary introduced Jazz reintroduced Jazz her parents

676
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: as her boyfriend, and they you could tell like they

677
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: weren't upset or anything, but there was something going on.

678
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: And so then for it later to be revealed that

679
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: Aunt Viva was just like, no, he's not like other

680
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: guys that you've dated. I think that's really interesting, and

681
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: i think them being linked romantically might bring out a

682
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: lot of themes about it, just like class in general,

683
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: because it did seem like that's what she was hinting

684
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: at a bit. And then on the other hand, we

685
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Hillary meets Jazz's parents and we learned that he's Muslim,

686
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: and Hillary wears a his job and she's like quoting

687
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: the Koran and things like that, and so I think

688
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting seeing Hillary constantly shift herself in different situations

689
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: to fit other people's expectations. I think she did that

690
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: in the original Influencer House, and she kind of did

691
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that with Jazz's parents, And so I'm excited to see

692
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: one Hiller and Jazz like their relationship. Girl, I really

693
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: like them together. But also how she'll stay like authentic

694
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: to herself when like trying to get something from someone.

695
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: It seems like she went through that with her parents

696
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: not in season one, but they kind of alluded to that,

697
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: like she was doing all of these different things like

698
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: please her parents instead of what she actually wanted to do,

699
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: and so it seemed like she did the same thing

700
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: with Jazz's parents, like I'm addressed like this and know

701
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: all of this to impress you guys, but not show

702
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: up as myself. And so it seems like she's battling

703
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: that in her relationship with Ivy, like I'm gonna take

704
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: Jazz's car because I know I really wants it, and

705
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let her drive. But that's not really what

706
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and that's not what I thought

707
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: was best for the situation. And so I think we're

708
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: gonna see it a lot in both of their relationships.

709
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: But I am very curious to how it'll also affect

710
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: like Will, because I know it can be super weird

711
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: and like your family member is like dating a friend,

712
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: And if something bad happens between Jazz and Hillary, how

713
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: will kind of well be wrapped up into that. I

714
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: hadn't even thought of that, but you're right, I mean,

715
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, if it goes left, we see that their

716
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: friendship has gotten even closer because he stayed with him

717
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: while he wasn't in the house, right, So that's a

718
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: good point. We'll definitely keep our eyes open for that.

719
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: But I you know, a part of what I really

720
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: love about Hillary and Jazz's relationship is that I think

721
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: he really helps her to be her authentic self. Right,

722
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: So he tells her like, my parents would have loved

723
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: you even if you didn't do all of that, Like

724
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: why did you feel the need to do that? And

725
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: so it really seems like he helps her to like

726
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: stay grounded and be true to herself. But you're right,

727
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: like she does switch up in all of the different situations,

728
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: and like she shows up as who she thinks other

729
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: people want her to be as opposed to just who

730
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: she is. And originally, you know, when she came to

731
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: the dinner with his parents, I thought, Okay, well, she's like,

732
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, wearing a hee job, maybe as a respectful

733
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and so initially it kind of seemed

734
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: like it was okay. But then when she started like

735
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: doing all these like Qoran facts and like he said,

736
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: like you like a Muslim Wikipedia page or something like that, right, Yeah,

737
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, she's really going too far now,

738
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: So I do hope that we will continue to see

739
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: her like refine her voice as this season progresses in

740
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: into season three. Do you think this relationship with Ivy

741
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: and the Influencer House is sustainable for Hillary? M? I

742
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: do not think. I do not think it's gonna end well.

743
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: So I think either, like you said, Ivy is going

744
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: to fire her, or Hillary is going to realize, you

745
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: know what, like this might not have been a great partnership,

746
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: like just because she has the social media following, Like

747
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: you can't just work with anybody just because you know,

748
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: you think it's a good idea. So I think either

749
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna see her fire Hillary or Hillary is going

750
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: to decide to start her own influencer House and kind

751
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: of do things on her own. Yeah, yeah, I don't.

752
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't really see this kind of going a long

753
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: haul with them too. So the last thing that I

754
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: do want to make sure we talk about is that

755
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: we do kind of cont and you and we've talked

756
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: about it a little bit today. We do continue to

757
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: see this storyline with Carlton and his anxiety concerns. Right,

758
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: so we see like a virtual session it looks like

759
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: that his parents are having with the psychiatrists, So he

760
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: is on medication. I know, did they ever name what

761
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: medication he was on? They never say that, but we

762
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: do see them in a virtual session with the psychiatrist

763
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: talking about keeping him at his dosage and you know,

764
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: thinking about, okay, what happens if we do increase it.

765
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: We do see Uncle Phil talk to Will about, you know,

766
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: if there are any kind of side effects or things

767
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: that you notice, and so it makes me wonder what

768
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: they're like planning, and I definitely feel like the fight

769
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: might have been like one symptom quote unquote of what

770
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: they're trying to build towards in terms of medication and

771
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: like side effects. And yeah, but I do think it

772
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: was interesting that Carlton said, I feel like I'm drugged

773
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: up and I'm out of it all of the time.

774
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: And so it made me wonder like what kind of

775
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: medication or thinking he would be on, because that is

776
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: something you know, you will hear people say sometimes. I

777
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: think typically people who are on things like like an

778
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: anti anxiety or sometimes even antidepressants, we'll talk about feeling

779
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: like they're not really in their life and life is

780
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of just passing them by. And so it felt

781
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: like he was kind of alluding to that. So it

782
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: does feel like we will continue to have conversations around

783
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: like what's happening with his mental health and his medication,

784
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: and I hope we do, and I hope we start

785
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: to see Carlton flip. I'll say this, it seems like

786
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: in his mind he sees the medication as like a

787
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: crutch and something that's very like debilitating, which it can be.

788
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is more how

789
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: like other people perceive him and how he perceives himself

790
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: for taking the medication, like I don't want to be

791
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: on this because of X y Z, how it makes

792
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: me feel like physically, but also how I don't feel

793
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: like as confident or I feel like I see Will

794
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: doing all these things without medication and I have to

795
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: use it. And so you know, we see in the

796
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: fourth episode he's opened up a conversation about mental health

797
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: and he seems like very excited for that, and so

798
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: I kind of hope he leans into that, like people

799
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: are open to talking about mental health. This is not

800
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: a bad thing, that's something that everyone goes through, as

801
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: opposed to like let's keep it on the hutch hutch.

802
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: And so I think we'll continue to see Carlton have

803
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: that tension, but I'm curious if we'll see Carlton talk

804
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: more about very specifically what he's experiencing. I think they've

805
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: like tiptoed around that a bit, especially in a more

806
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if like clinical is the

807
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: right word, but this is the first time we've ever

808
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: seen him talk to a therapist ever, and so I'm

809
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: curious to see if the show will explore more of

810
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: that side of it, because I do think from a

811
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: viewers standpoint, I do have a lot of questions about, like, well,

812
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: why was Carleton like initially on anxiety medicine, and like

813
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: how does he articulate his own anxiety experience. I think

814
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: we see it in very like hiding moments like the

815
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: fight or like the protests, but not kind of like

816
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: the everyday ebbs and flows of what Carlton has experienced.

817
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: And I think we saw some of it in season one.

818
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: So the first instance I remember was him singing in

819
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: the choir, do you remember that? And like he got

820
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: really anxious then, and so it feels like what we

821
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: saw in season one was a lot of him self

822
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: medicating with I think it was cocaine he was using, right,

823
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: and so you know, after it came out how he

824
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: was struggling, it looks like they, you know, got him

825
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: connected to a psychiatrist who started him on some you know,

826
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: prescribe medication. But you're right, like it doesn't seem like

827
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: he really likes to be on it, and he may

828
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: not like the way that it makes him feel. But

829
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: it also seems like he is like trying to keep

830
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: some of that from his parents because he doesn't want

831
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: them to increase the dosage. Right. It seems like he's really, yeah, yeah,

832
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: he's really afraid of like what could happen if they

833
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: increase the dosage or even keep him on, and he

834
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: wants to just kind of come up at all together.

835
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: But you're right. I also think it seemed like when

836
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: he found out that the black student was having conversations

837
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: about mental health and they were going to start all

838
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: these initiatives after what he shared at the Bowling Alley,

839
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: it did seem like he was like, oh, Okay, this

840
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: is not something that you know, they're gonna kind of

841
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: like stigmatize me for like I opened up these conversations.

842
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I hope we see him

843
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: continue to lean into that and like seeing more of

844
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, the way that the school kind of tackles

845
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: mental health concerns through the black Suit Union. Yeah, so

846
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: I have one final question before we go a little game,

847
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: So who is at the top of your bell Air pyramid?

848
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: Like who's thriving? Who are we rooting for? And then

849
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: what two people are at the bottom? We think they

850
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: need some work, We need them to switch up their storyline,

851
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: get their act right. Oh you know, I think it's

852
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: interesting because right now I feel like I am most

853
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: interested in drawn to Carlton's character. But last season I

854
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that. Like last season I was really like, oh,

855
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: what's happening? Like I don't know that I like this

856
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: and he's taken. But this season I do find myself

857
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: really invested in, like what is going to be his

858
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: trajectory and like is he going to get his mental

859
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: health under control and like take good care of himself

860
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: in that way? So I would say, right now, he's

861
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: probably at the top of my totem pole. I think

862
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: at the bottom, oh, at the bottom, I would say

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Speaker 1: So I really feel like she needs some work. And

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Speaker 1: Uncle Phil, I think, you know again, so much mystery

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Speaker 1: around like what's happening? Like I really want to see

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Speaker 1: more there, I agree with At the bottom, definitely Uncle Phil,

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Speaker 1: so much mystery around him, and I think we do

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Speaker 1: see him leaning more into like being compromising a lot more,

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Speaker 1: and so I like that from him, But I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious to see how that will play out with his

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Speaker 1: partner at the law firm, with Jeffrey. With Will and

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Speaker 1: then Hillary, definitely I want to see her assert herself more,

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Speaker 1: be herself everywhere and also just like not be afraid

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Speaker 1: to tell other people know or to like take no

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Speaker 1: am very interested in just Will storyline in general, like

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Speaker 1: his love, why, his social dynamic at school basketball, And

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Speaker 1: so I think I guess Coulos to the entire writing

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Speaker 1: also really like breathe a lot of life into all

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Speaker 1: the characters around him, so it doesn't feel like it's

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Speaker 1: the Will Show. And so yeah, I'm excited for these

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Speaker 1: next We got six episodes, oh, we got that many left,

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Speaker 1: So we got ten episodes. Okay, yeah, so' and then

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Speaker 1: one's releasing this okay, okay yeah, And I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say the same thing, like, I really love that they

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Speaker 1: took a show that was very will focused, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: The Fresh Prince, it didn't feel like we got the

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Speaker 1: depth of story lines that we are getting in mill Air.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I'm just very very excited

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Speaker 1: that we get such you know, meaty stories around so

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Speaker 1: many of the characters. I'm very excited to see where

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Speaker 1: they continue to go this season. Yes, we'll definitely follow

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Speaker 1: this up at the end of the season and hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can have Frieda and Cyndy on and some other

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Speaker 1: team members who watch it outside of the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for our listeners to be introduced to everyone, all

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Speaker 1: the team members. Perfect. Well, let us know at Lease

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Speaker 1: again where we can find you on the socials. I'm

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Elise Ellis, so it's just my first

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Speaker 1: name and my last name, but the ease are connected

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Speaker 1: at the end, and I'm on Twitter at the Elise Ellis,

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Speaker 1: same vibe. All the ease are connected at the end.

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Speaker 1: That's where you can find perfect. Well, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me again today, Atlis. I appreciate it all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I have fun, you know. I love talking

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Speaker 1: about team. I'm so glad Elisa was able to join

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Speaker 1: produced by Frida Lucas and Elise Ellis and editing was

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Speaker 1: done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with our regular episode on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Until then, take it care