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Speaker 3: It is a Monday morning, the first Monday of June
Speaker 3: inside the SWBC podcast studio, our final mix shots until
Speaker 3: the start of training camp twenty twenty four, and we're
Speaker 3: getting you ready for the Cowboys mandatory mini camp this week.
Speaker 3: We got so much to talk about, getting you set
Speaker 3: for the next couple of months as well as the
Speaker 3: Cowboys get set to start the twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 3: As the off season wraps up, Bill Jones with Everson Walls, Savannah,
Speaker 3: Hughmoller and Mickey Spagnola. But we have just learned of
Speaker 3: some tragic news that we first need to pass along
Speaker 3: and Mickey, would you like to do it or you
Speaker 3: want me to read the email? Keepers go the email
Speaker 3: that was just sent out by the Cowboys announcement from
Speaker 3: the Cowboys on the passing of Larry Allen. Cowboys are
Speaker 3: very saddened to share the Cowboys legend, Super Bowl champion,
Speaker 3: Cowboys Ring of Honor member and Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 3: Famer Larry Allen passed away suddenly while on vacation in
Speaker 3: Mexico with his family on Sunday. Larry, known for his
Speaker 3: great athleticism and incredible strength, was one of the most
Speaker 3: respected accomplished offensive linemen who ever play in the NFL.
Speaker 3: His versatility and dependability are also signature parts of his career.
Speaker 3: Through that, he continued to serve as inspiration for many
Speaker 3: other players, defining what it meant to be a great teammate, competitor,
Speaker 3: and winner. He was deeply loved and cared for by
Speaker 3: his wife, Janelle, whom he referred to as his heart
Speaker 3: and soul, his daughters Jayla and Lariana, and son Larry
Speaker 3: the Third. The Jones family and the Cowboys extend their
Speaker 3: deepest condolences, thoughts, and prayers to the Allen family and
Speaker 3: grieve along with the many other friends and Cowboys teammates
Speaker 3: that also loved Larry. Memorial service arrangements and details will
Speaker 3: be announced in the near future. So that is the
Speaker 3: news that we are met with as we walk in
Speaker 3: the door on this Monday.
Speaker 2: Morning, and puts a downer on mix shots, doesn't.
Speaker 4: It puts it down on everything?
Speaker 5: Actually very sad.
Speaker 4: I yeah, as a former player, of course, have to
Speaker 4: give much respect to him. One of the aletic offensive
Speaker 4: lineman that is known in the NFL. Really a feel
Speaker 4: good story because I think he came from a small
Speaker 4: college state Sonoma State and ended up just being one
Speaker 4: of John Madden's favorite And that's when you when you
Speaker 4: hit the when you hit hit the mountaintop is when
Speaker 4: John Madden speaks of you like he did with Nate
Speaker 4: Newton and guys like that. So he's pretty much iconic.
Speaker 2: And they had to go through Butte Junior College to
Speaker 2: get to state.
Speaker 4: What Butte Junior College?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh actually, if I have my story right,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers went there also. It's in north of San
Speaker 2: Francisco or northeast of San Francisco Oroville, California.
Speaker 3: Is where Butte College is.
Speaker 4: It must be one of those, uh like Coffeeville, Kansas.
Speaker 4: You know. It was always known for having big time
Speaker 4: players before they went to the big time schools.
Speaker 2: So in twenty sixteen, hopefully we can resurrect us. On
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, we did a legends piece on
Speaker 2: Larry Allen and we went to California to do the interviews,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was quite a story because they were
Speaker 2: the school was recruiting a couple guys and somehow, some
Speaker 2: way they said, well, bring Larry along.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh by the way, oh by the.
Speaker 2: Way, and they found them.
Speaker 6: In.
Speaker 2: He grew up in south central.
Speaker 3: La Compton, Compton, California.
Speaker 2: As bad as it was. And when he got to
Speaker 2: the junior college, they found out that he never really
Speaker 2: graduated high school. So to get him into even junior college,
Speaker 2: they had to send him to what Larry nickname the
Speaker 2: Pregnant School.
Speaker 4: Everybody was pregnant back then.
Speaker 2: When girls got pregnant in high school, they dropped out,
Speaker 2: and so they developed a program to get your your
Speaker 2: GDE and so ged. And so he had to go
Speaker 2: to that during the summer before he was eligible to
Speaker 2: actually play uh in junior college. And the head coach
Speaker 2: there told me the story about how Larry was working
Speaker 2: for him in the office and they were working late
Speaker 2: one night and he goes, Larry, we need some pizzas.
Speaker 2: Here's my car keys. Go go get a couple. I'll
Speaker 2: order them. Larry goes, well, I can't do that. And
Speaker 2: he goes, what do you mean you can't do that?
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't drive. I've never learned to drive.
Speaker 2: So then he had to take them to driver's ad
Speaker 2: to get his driving degree right. And to add just
Speaker 2: a touch of humor to it, Larry liked the pizzas
Speaker 2: and he kept ordering pizzas from the place that the
Speaker 2: school used, the athletic department used, And finally the guy
Speaker 2: that had owned the pizza place said, hey, coach, we
Speaker 2: got a small problem. And he goes, what's that and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, Larry keeps writing checks for the pizzas
Speaker 2: and they're bouncing and he goes, what do you mean.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, so Larry, Larry didn't understand when you
Speaker 2: had a checking account, you had to have money in
Speaker 2: your account to pay for the checks. Hero he thought
Speaker 2: you just wrote the checks. So not only was he behind,
Speaker 2: you know, from an athletic standpoint, he was behind socially too.
Speaker 3: Went to four different high schools, Yeah, different high school.
Speaker 2: And he and he ended up at oh Napa Napa
Speaker 2: High School and he ended up living and this was
Speaker 2: before the old miss story, uh with the black offensive
Speaker 2: lineman living with a white family. Yeah, Michael or uh blindsight.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Larry ended up Uh. He was commuting from his
Speaker 2: grandmother's place in Napa, far north of this high school.
Speaker 2: And finally the family took him in. And it was
Speaker 2: funny story about how I said something to Gosh, I
Speaker 2: wish I had done my research. But the quarterback he
Speaker 2: befriended him, and Larry in like two months, ended up
Speaker 2: being voted the homecoming king. Living with this white family
Speaker 2: and napp of all things right and yeah, and he
Speaker 2: was the one that got him to Butte Junior College
Speaker 2: and two. I mean, the story is long, but when
Speaker 2: they finished at Butte, Larry was basically giving up and
Speaker 2: he went back home to Compton. And one of the
Speaker 2: coaches at Sonoma State had heard about him and and
Speaker 2: and was like trying to find him. And he went
Speaker 2: down to Compton and found him and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: told him, here's my card, we'd like to talk to you. Well,
Speaker 2: Larry never follows up on it. So the coach uh
Speaker 2: had a wide receiver I believe it was that was
Speaker 2: from that area, and he told him, I want you
Speaker 2: to go to Compton, go back home, go to the
Speaker 2: basketball court and find the biggest guy you can see
Speaker 2: and it's Larry Allen and and and tell him give
Speaker 2: him my card. So he does. Larry puts it in
Speaker 2: his pocket and his mom find washing clothes, finds the
Speaker 2: card and it's like, well, Larry, what's this And he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: some guy wants me to play football. And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: did you call the man? And he goes nahn. And
Speaker 2: so his mom calls, his mom calls the coach and
Speaker 2: they're talking to him and I remember the coach the
Speaker 2: greatest lion ever. You want to take care of my baby?
Speaker 4: And yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And so just to get a workout, he has this
Speaker 2: white kid listening to country music drive up to Sonoma
Speaker 2: State and it's a couple of hours drive right with
Speaker 2: Larry brings them in to the gym and the head
Speaker 2: coach says, yeah, you know, I'll think of the assistant
Speaker 2: coach's name here in a minute. Look the guy can
Speaker 2: dunk standing still, and the coach is like, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, he can't, So they bring him in.
Speaker 2: They're sitting in the gym, Larry walks in with a
Speaker 2: he's got an all white kind of warm up suit
Speaker 2: on and the coach goes Okay, Larry, go go, show
Speaker 2: coach you can dunk. So he goes under the basket,
Speaker 2: doesn't take a step, standing step, and dunks it, and
Speaker 2: the football coach goes, okay, I think we've got a scholarship,
Speaker 2: and the rest is history. But it was it was
Speaker 2: almost a miracle that he ended up where he did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it was quite a remarkable, remarkable story.
Speaker 2: The other and I'll tell you one more, and I
Speaker 2: know we got to move on. When he was at
Speaker 2: the junior college, like he shows up with t shirts
Speaker 2: and shorts and basically had athletic department issue. He didn't
Speaker 2: have clothes. Well, they had a banquet and awards and
Speaker 2: you have to be dressed up. He didn't have nothing.
Speaker 2: So the coach gets his wife to take them shopping
Speaker 2: and he get him a shirt, tie, shoes, suit, and
Speaker 2: so they're looking for shoes and Larry goes, I really
Speaker 2: like these right here, and they were, oh, what were
Speaker 2: the fancy shoes that had the kind of wing tip
Speaker 2: type things and they had the holes in the front
Speaker 2: or whatever. They were really expensive, like one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred dollars, And the coach's wife goes, Yeah, Larry,
Speaker 2: you know what we can buy like three pairs of
Speaker 2: these for what those costs.
Speaker 4: Right? Okay.
Speaker 2: So when he made it in the NFL, got his contract,
Speaker 2: he was a rookie. Every year he brought that coach
Speaker 2: and the family he lived with a NAPA in town
Speaker 2: for a game Cowboys game. So the first time they
Speaker 2: came coach and his wife, he goes, hey, I got
Speaker 2: to show you something. Brings them in to a closet.
Speaker 2: He's got three pairs of wingtips in.
Speaker 4: That's his shoe of choice. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it was. It was a remarkable story tracking
Speaker 2: his history, short of driving through Compton, I guess I
Speaker 2: don't know that we did that, but we went to
Speaker 2: the junior college Sonoma State and then went to his
Speaker 2: house and had the longest conversation ever with Larry Allen
Speaker 2: after what was he here? Twelve thirteen years?
Speaker 3: How many years he was twelve years nineteen ninety four
Speaker 3: through two thousand and five with the Cowboys and then
Speaker 3: finished up his NFL career with the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: in six and seven, which I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But he was actually affable, funny.
Speaker 3: And very very very soft spoken. Yes, during his time
Speaker 3: here or not spoken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he opened up and it was it was amazing.
Speaker 2: And then this is the last thing I'll tell you
Speaker 2: and we can move on the Hall of Fame. When
Speaker 2: he got inducted his second daughter, there was two of them, right,
Speaker 2: she was, she was still in high school. She was
Speaker 2: determined that he was going to get up there and
Speaker 2: give a speech because we figured the over under was
Speaker 2: three minutes, right, And she interviewed her dad for weeks
Speaker 2: to find his life story right, and she basically kind
Speaker 2: of wrote out a script and they practiced right and
Speaker 2: practice and I didn't find this out till afterwards, and
Speaker 2: somebody told me the story where she was. She she
Speaker 2: was on the edge of her seat and she was
Speaker 2: rocking back and forth. Okay, come on, come on, you
Speaker 2: can do this and do it and he actually did
Speaker 2: it right, I mean, it was really good, and she
Speaker 2: was so relieved. Brad and I were taping a segment
Speaker 2: to send back here after the awards ceremony and a
Speaker 2: friend of ours was walking off with his daughter and
Speaker 2: we got to talk to her about what she did,
Speaker 2: and she was near tears, tears that he pulled it
Speaker 2: off right because he wasn't going to get up here,
Speaker 2: but he was good. He thanked everybody told some funny stories.
Speaker 4: And it was I didn't say that, but I'm sure
Speaker 4: that was something. I was shocked.
Speaker 2: But she did one hell of a job preparing.
Speaker 3: Them for that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, fifty two years old, had a son that
Speaker 2: went to Harvard, played football? Was it Harvard?
Speaker 3: I don't recall.
Speaker 2: Larry, Yeah, and one daughter went to Stanford and the
Speaker 2: other one was going to call soow. He and his
Speaker 2: wife raised three really sharp kids. Fifty two.
Speaker 3: Here are the career accolades, not only of course, he
Speaker 3: was a second round draft pick in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 3: played on the Cowboys Super Bowl thirty team, seven time
Speaker 3: first team All Pro, eleven time Pro Bowler, All Rookie Team,
Speaker 3: NFL nineteen nineties All Decade Team, NFL two thousand's All
Speaker 3: Decade Team, NFL one hundredth anniversary All Time Team, and
Speaker 3: of course Cowboys Ring of Honor in Pro Football.
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Crazy. I mean, Luk started trying his
Speaker 4: best not to play best, to just.
Speaker 3: Not he was going to be a two All Decade
Speaker 3: Team in the NFL.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: With the junior college coach. Imagine Larry playing against junior
Speaker 2: college guys, right, and uh, he was just destroying people.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a Grambling State story from way back
Speaker 4: with those guys. It sounds like one of those stories
Speaker 4: and even more outrageous.
Speaker 2: And he basically blocked the guy and just put him
Speaker 2: in the ground, right, And I guess the kid got
Speaker 2: up and started yelling and screaming and cheating and whatever.
Speaker 2: And the head coach does He goes, oh, Son, don't
Speaker 2: do that. You don't want to make Larry mad. And
Speaker 2: the next play they pulled him right, and he just
Speaker 2: knocked the guy out of the game.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They thought they thought they were sheating, that the guy
Speaker 2: was too old and too big.
Speaker 4: Right. You can't find the Larry Allen out there these days.
Speaker 7: Can now?
Speaker 4: Not much too much coverage, too much internet, right, they can't.
Speaker 4: You can't. You can't lose a guy like that anymore.
Speaker 3: And the stories, I mean, you could call him Larry
Speaker 3: the legend. I mean, the stories about Larry Allen are
Speaker 3: just legendary. From bench pressing over seven hundred pounds, chasing
Speaker 3: down the linebacker exactly, and I just looked it up.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Dan Deardorf going crazy on Monday night football Larry Allen.
Speaker 3: I'm really sure she gets to say.
Speaker 4: As slow as I was, I'm pretty sure he would
Speaker 4: have called me.
Speaker 2: Also, Hudson how found out about him at Sonoma State? Oh,
Speaker 2: and he was the one that when they were in
Speaker 2: the second round, basically goes, we got to get this guy, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many guys come out of Sonoma State.
Speaker 8: He had a touchdowns, think, Dary, I mean he gained
Speaker 8: on you.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't like you know, I barely got him. No,
Speaker 4: he like throwing to them a little bit of an angle.
Speaker 4: But this is like a huge man.
Speaker 9: This guy's got a rocket.
Speaker 4: Hoster.
Speaker 3: Alan is still standing there.
Speaker 4: There he is to the left yard screen.
Speaker 3: They've got a running start at us.
Speaker 2: No, he's standing. I remember seeing it. It's like a sprinter.
Speaker 9: I'm telling you, that's one of the most impressive athletic.
Speaker 4: Feats I have ever. That's true.
Speaker 2: I remember watching it and I'm seeing him because he's coming.
Speaker 2: So it's on the left side. If I remember, Larry's
Speaker 2: coming from the right side and he's angling, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there going, are you he's gaining on it. He almost
Speaker 2: beat him to the spot, right, he did because he
Speaker 2: didn't cut from behind.
Speaker 4: That was not no, that was easy, easy tackle.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got so much to get to. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: it was obviously very important to spend the first segment
Speaker 3: talking about Larry Allen, and there would be a lot
Speaker 3: more talk about Larry Allen, but just being our last
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Speaker 4: All right, so.
Speaker 3: Segment number two of big Shots.
Speaker 2: And yeah try this segue. Uh huh, Hey, I'll help
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: Glad they build a big books.
Speaker 2: It's June third. June sixth is the eightieth anniversary of
Speaker 2: D Day, when the troops landed on in Normandy and
Speaker 2: I saw a really neat thing. They do this every year,
Speaker 2: but for the eightieth anniversary, they flew in a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys that are still alive, most of them from
Speaker 2: ninety five to one hundred and five to DFW and
Speaker 2: they were going to fly them to American Airlines, flying
Speaker 2: them to France to commemorate the eightieth anniversary. And these guys,
Speaker 2: they had them in wheelchairs and they had a parade
Speaker 2: basically through the gates to get them to where they
Speaker 2: needed to go to take the flight to France. And
Speaker 2: so my dad landed on Omaha Beach on d Day two,
Speaker 2: so June eighth, and that was eighty years ago. He
Speaker 2: was twenty five years old. After boot camp and serving,
Speaker 2: he was stationed in, of all places, Galveston, Texas. You know,
Speaker 2: have you ever been to Galveston?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 2: On the Gulf Coast. They have those jetties they go
Speaker 2: out into the water. His patrol was on the jetties
Speaker 2: because they were worried that enemy submarines might come through,
Speaker 2: uh the golf and land in Galveston. And I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's got a rifle, what's he going to do if
Speaker 2: a submarine.
Speaker 4: Shows up, right, go get his bow and arrow.
Speaker 2: But he landed June eighth on d D two with
Speaker 2: bodies still floating on It was very sobering. All right, Bill,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hand.
Speaker 5: You know what we're driving today, guys.
Speaker 2: We're going Those guys turned, those guys turned.
Speaker 4: World War two around exactly right.
Speaker 3: And I and I heard someone uh saying the same
Speaker 3: thing on the radio driving in. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if they've already landed, if the eighty or so, I
Speaker 3: don't know how many that were on the flight going right,
Speaker 3: if they've already left or what. But apparently we're I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was at DFW Airport or someplace
Speaker 3: else they got whenever they arrived, they got a standing
Speaker 3: ovation and it's really so go find I haven't found
Speaker 3: it yet. I haven't had a chance to look for
Speaker 3: it yet, but go find that. And it's really it'll
Speaker 3: make your you know, give you goosebumps. Yeah, okay, very briefly,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Savannah about the stars.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but.
Speaker 3: The plague, I mean, they play on and on and
Speaker 3: on the sea. It seems like, okay, they're dustin to
Speaker 3: win it all, and as we find out with Cowboys seasons,
Speaker 3: it ends so abruptly.
Speaker 12: It was a little heartbreaking, but very proud of what
Speaker 12: this team has done and looking forward to another season
Speaker 12: with them.
Speaker 5: And you know, it didn't end how we wanted it to.
Speaker 12: But we have some strong young guys on that team
Speaker 12: and they will persevere in the next few years.
Speaker 5: So lots to come.
Speaker 2: I don't know, as a fan of something that was
Speaker 2: invested in what was going on. I was almost sick
Speaker 2: last night. I mean I was just I just knew
Speaker 2: they were going to tie it up, right, it was
Speaker 2: going to tie it right.
Speaker 4: They kept watch, they kept.
Speaker 3: You talk about it, valiantly trying to get that mayor
Speaker 3: that tying goal in the final seconds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last three minutes, Yeah, right.
Speaker 5: Eight when Mason Marchant got a goal for the Stars.
Speaker 3: At one point the total was thirty five shots on
Speaker 3: goal for the Stars and only ten for the opposition.
Speaker 2: The problem was two of the first three went in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the power plane.
Speaker 4: We couldn't do crap.
Speaker 2: I started looking up those damn officials too, but there
Speaker 2: you go. It's a Canadian. It's a Canadian conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Well I thought maybe they were official.
Speaker 2: We're all board in Canada, damn it.
Speaker 4: At one point you had a guy posted up and
Speaker 4: that was like in the last I think, in the
Speaker 4: last minute, and I just knew he was going to
Speaker 4: get it inside to him and he was going to
Speaker 4: make a play on it.
Speaker 3: In this case, the defense wins championships.
Speaker 4: Yes he did.
Speaker 3: They had a discipline defense on that other side, yep.
Speaker 3: And uh, we still have the Mavericks alive. I'm headed
Speaker 3: to Boston tomorrow and so well, you know.
Speaker 4: My brother knows more about hockey than I do. And
Speaker 4: I said, look, man, the goalie looks pretty good, and
Speaker 4: he said he's okay.
Speaker 3: Was that just the goalie for the other team. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's what I understand.
Speaker 2: You know what happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at sometimes you can have your your your
Speaker 4: teammates can be in there helping you out.
Speaker 2: Of those thirty some shots on goal, I bet thirty
Speaker 2: of them were right at them, Like they weren't good
Speaker 2: score chances. They were getting the puck on goal.
Speaker 4: Maybe he was always positioned well.
Speaker 2: Now they just never had open They didn't have any
Speaker 2: open shots like their second goal and that first one
Speaker 2: the penalty.
Speaker 4: Hey, we had our chances. We had our chances, They
Speaker 4: had many power plays.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: Now we devoted two minutes to that, and now we
Speaker 3: move on to the happiness here for the happiest.
Speaker 2: I just want to know that Cowboys had lots like that.
Speaker 2: Who gets to blame for this?
Speaker 4: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: Because it can't be the other teams better than you?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Happiest man in America today is whom Cede Lamb? Or
Speaker 3: is it Justin Jefferson?
Speaker 2: Because I'm coming right out, I was going to say
Speaker 2: the second half.
Speaker 4: Lamb, it's the same firm.
Speaker 3: Come on, So what were the numbers?
Speaker 5: The numbers?
Speaker 12: We have a sign deal with Justin Jefferson for four years,
Speaker 12: one hundred and forty million dollar extension that includes one
Speaker 12: hundred and ten million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 5: That's thirty five million per year.
Speaker 2: The highest non quarterback contract in NFL history, and he's
Speaker 2: due eighty eight point seven million at signing. So between
Speaker 2: guaranteed base salary and the signing bonus, that's a pretty
Speaker 2: good chunk of change.
Speaker 12: Well, Bill, last week, we were all discussing this as
Speaker 12: to who was potentially going to go in first, and
Speaker 12: Justin Jefferson is obviously the one that took took.
Speaker 5: The bait first.
Speaker 12: So now that really does set ceede Lamb up to
Speaker 12: kind of look at his options, and I would assume
Speaker 12: so that CD's going to go for quite a higher deal.
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be much higher. It'll lead close
Speaker 4: to the same agent. Yeah, that's be Yeah, that's that's agent.
Speaker 4: Be close to it. Yeah. So and we did. That's
Speaker 4: exactly what we talked about last year as well. One
Speaker 4: comes in and the other one was right behind him.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is why Justin Jefferson went first
Speaker 3: is the Vikings aren't paying a quarterback or a top
Speaker 3: defensive player about to pay him what the Cowboys are
Speaker 3: having to pay, and so there it was easier for
Speaker 3: them to fork over the four years one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty million and all the guarantees right now.
Speaker 4: So if you.
Speaker 2: If you look at their careers, I trying to find
Speaker 2: I wrote down Jefferson's numbers.
Speaker 4: Did I do that? Well?
Speaker 2: He had three hundred and ninety two catches in sixty games,
Speaker 2: five and ninety nine yards, which, by the way, is
Speaker 2: the most of an NFL receiver in the first four
Speaker 2: years of a career, thirty touchdowns c D three hundred
Speaker 2: and they were in the same draft class. Remember, wow,
Speaker 2: CD went seventeen to the Cowboys. He went twenty one
Speaker 2: to Minnesota. And if you're wondering who got drafted ahead
Speaker 2: of them, Chase Henry Ruggs.
Speaker 3: You talk of wide receivers, they got dressed to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wide receivers. Henry Ruggs went twelfth, Jerry Judy fifteenth,
Speaker 2: and then after CD went seventeenth, Jalen Rager went twenty one,
Speaker 2: and they were doing handstands in Minnesota to draft him at.
Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Philadelphia drafted Raager
Speaker 3: and then Jefferson went to Minnesota, and then Rager wound
Speaker 3: up in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: So CD in sixty six games had three hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety five catches, five and forty five yards, thirty two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: three more or rusheding rushing. So they are one of
Speaker 2: five guys to start their NFL careers in the first
Speaker 2: four years with five thousand yards receiving, which is rather
Speaker 2: remarkable when you consider the receivers that came before them,
Speaker 2: that they would have two five thousand yard receivers in
Speaker 2: that short of time. Jefferson was first. Michael Thomas five,
Speaker 2: five hundred and twelve and sixty three games, Randy Moss
Speaker 2: three hundred ninety six and sixty four Lamb and then
Speaker 2: Tory Holt five thousand and eighty eight and if you
Speaker 2: can believe this, Jerry Rice four thousand, eight hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty one in sixty games. But think of the difference,
Speaker 2: how many receptions that is in sixteen game season, and
Speaker 2: how the offense changed from what eighty four Terry Rice
Speaker 2: through the nineties.
Speaker 3: Okay, on SPO track or however you say it, Yes,
Speaker 3: the website s p O t r ac dot com.
Speaker 2: They've already got they are the breakdown.
Speaker 3: They already have the breakdown for the cap hit for
Speaker 3: justice justin Jefferson for the next five years.
Speaker 2: Because I'm an eye last looked they must have just
Speaker 2: done it.
Speaker 3: And so, and what's interesting about this is because Jefferson
Speaker 3: was in the same draft, just four picks later than CD.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 3: They are on similar contracts right now, and so there
Speaker 3: it's apples to apples.
Speaker 2: His was two million more fifty year option. I think
Speaker 2: that was nineteen million.
Speaker 3: But so here's the here's the way it's been structured
Speaker 3: by the Vikings. And now compare this to what the
Speaker 3: Cowboys have facing them with a DAC contract looming, with
Speaker 3: a MICA contract looming, which the Vikings don't have, so
Speaker 3: they can just do whatever they want to manage the money.
Speaker 3: The cap hit this year for Justin Jefferson is eight
Speaker 3: point five million dollars, Next year fifteen point three million,
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six thirty nine million, in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: seven forty three point three nine seven million, and then
Speaker 3: in twenty eight forty seven point three eight million.
Speaker 2: Does it show where the guarantees run.
Speaker 3: Out after he's a potential cut after the twenty seven season,
Speaker 3: which would be a four year, one hundred twenty five
Speaker 3: million dollars dead money. No dead money then would be, well,
Speaker 3: they'll let you look at it if you want, but okay,
Speaker 3: look at how they are able to structure that where
Speaker 3: he counts x amount of dollars thirty seven million in
Speaker 3: one year, forty three and another and then times three
Speaker 3: times what cowboys have to do with DAK, which they
Speaker 3: already have money sitting there on DAK, and what they
Speaker 3: have to do with Micah, and try to structure this thing.
Speaker 3: And you can understand why it may be a little
Speaker 3: more difficult to structure the CD contract from a Cowboys
Speaker 3: perspective than what it was for the Vikings here.
Speaker 2: So they can get out in twenty twenty eight when
Speaker 2: the day salaries forty seven to eight for like seven
Speaker 2: point three million dollars. So if you're that fared, the
Speaker 2: CAP's going to keep going up, right, So that basically
Speaker 2: is you know when we were talking about it last
Speaker 2: week after who signed for thirty two?
Speaker 12: Well, it was Aj Brown from well we talked about
Speaker 12: the guy from the Texans as.
Speaker 2: Well, right, and the most was Aj Brown at thirty
Speaker 2: two million, I believe his extension. So this is thirty five.
Speaker 2: So CDs looking at the Cowboys are looking at thirty
Speaker 2: five million on a four year deal. And I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that he's supposed to play for seventeen to nine guaranteed
Speaker 2: on his fifty year option this year, so he's got
Speaker 2: to make They got to hand him at least that
Speaker 2: much money, right, if not more for the first year.
Speaker 2: So it's an investment, and that's why the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, okay, are you good with that?
Speaker 2: Because they agreed the thirty five? Now can you agree
Speaker 2: to thirty five? The other thing is when I looked up,
Speaker 2: we need to point out Bill that June second was yesterday.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Michael Gillo.
Speaker 2: They get the Michael Gallay guys, they can add nine
Speaker 2: and a half million to the salary cap and that
Speaker 2: gives them somewhere between ten and twelve million dollars in
Speaker 2: space for just the top fifty one, because that's all
Speaker 2: they count now when you have a ninety man roster.
Speaker 2: But he still counts four point three to five million
Speaker 2: in dead money this year, eight point seven million next
Speaker 2: year to get that nine and a half million back now,
Speaker 2: so they have the ability now to spend a little
Speaker 2: bit more. And my guess was, depending on what happens
Speaker 2: with CD that they might have been waiting for this
Speaker 2: to possibly re sign Stefan Gilmore, who I understand is hell.
Speaker 3: That was my next question, how are you spending the
Speaker 3: freed up Gallop money?
Speaker 2: So I don't know what my understanding is. He lives
Speaker 2: here now, he wants to stay here.
Speaker 3: Stepan Gilmore, Okay, all right, let me ask Everson here.
Speaker 3: You look at the Cowboys' depth chart at cornerback right now,
Speaker 3: and you have Trayvon Diggs coming back from his injury
Speaker 3: as one starting corner You hope you have Deron Bland
Speaker 3: the starting corner on the other side, and you've got
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis as you're starting slot corner. Beyond that, you
Speaker 3: have Naseean Wright, the third round pick from twenty twenty one, who.
Speaker 2: Is working right now with the first team defense because
Speaker 2: Diggs is still rehabbing, and who.
Speaker 3: Had fifty snaps on defense last year. Eric Scott, sixth
Speaker 3: round draft pick from last year who didn't.
Speaker 2: Play last year, working second team.
Speaker 3: Kaylan Carson, the fifth round rookie draft pick out of
Speaker 3: wake Forest.
Speaker 4: Akuambu is he going, oh, well.
Speaker 3: He's safety safety. Sheldrick RedWine, Josh Butler. There's your corners.
Speaker 4: They kind of like this.
Speaker 2: Josh Butler guy, Okay, just judging from how they're using
Speaker 2: them in the OTA practices.
Speaker 3: So last week they caught by the way, Josh Butler
Speaker 3: is not a youngster coming in here. He's twenty seven
Speaker 3: years old. He'll be twenty eight in November. He came
Speaker 3: into the league out of Michigan State as a college
Speaker 3: free agent in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: And what about red Wine and red Wine is he was.
Speaker 3: A fourth round draft pick of Cleveland in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: So those are more veteran guys, and Red Wine got
Speaker 3: seven snaps on defense last year. He was signed to
Speaker 3: the practice squad and then activated.
Speaker 2: Those guys were practice squad guys.
Speaker 3: So my question to you ever since, could this team
Speaker 3: use Stefan Gilmore?
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, that's easy. I thought you were coming with
Speaker 4: something hard up.
Speaker 3: Seriously, you have three cornerbacks on this roster. You have
Speaker 3: playing experience in this league basically, and Diggs went on
Speaker 3: Lewis but uh didn't lead the league and Digs and blanded. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: now you're talking. If you added Gilmore, then you have boy.
Speaker 3: If you added Gilmore, you feel much better about the cornerback.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm talking about with Gilmore.
Speaker 3: With Gilmore, and let me add this.
Speaker 2: And we're working with the assumption that Diggs is Digs
Speaker 2: right right from the start of the scene.
Speaker 3: Because he did it was in September that he suffered
Speaker 3: the ACL injury.
Speaker 4: So but still I get nervous about that, right. You know,
Speaker 4: these are things I didn't pay much attention to as
Speaker 4: a player. You know, I never really noticed that it
Speaker 4: was tougher for some of these guys to come back
Speaker 4: from these injuries. First year UH and and Gallup was
Speaker 4: one of those that were I saw even Tony Pollard,
Speaker 4: I saw where they did suffer.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 4: In regards to trying to come back. Probably this coming year,
Speaker 4: Polo is gonna look like the same guy he looked
Speaker 4: like two years ago. And you know, maybe Michael Gallup
Speaker 4: will come back and do the same thing. I'm hoping
Speaker 4: it doesn't take Diggs and tell you, I don't want
Speaker 4: that buffer year for for Trayvon back. Now we don't.
Speaker 4: We can't afford it. We can't afford it. We're gonna
Speaker 4: need it.
Speaker 2: And he needs to. Just watching what they're doing out
Speaker 2: there where he's what's he doing compared to overshown who
Speaker 2: got hurt in training guys?
Speaker 4: Right, yes, the.
Speaker 2: Wide receiver, uh, Durton Durden, David Durden toward his A
Speaker 2: c L in training camp. John Stevens, John, Yeah, Steven Stephen.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, no, that's that's Stephen Jones' son.
Speaker 3: That would be John Stevens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is John Stephens. Right, those guys looking they're
Speaker 2: ahead of Diggs. So just from what they're doing and
Speaker 2: what he's doing with his rehab.
Speaker 4: So you would talk about how fatigued he was, You're
Speaker 4: just hoping.
Speaker 2: That he's ready to come September. What is it ninth tenth,
Speaker 2: it's September, September eighth.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, having Stefan Gilmore, you have that additional veteran
Speaker 12: depth at the cornerback position.
Speaker 5: And then I know we mentioned Jordan Lewis and he did.
Speaker 12: He came off that injury from the year before, so
Speaker 12: he's still redeveloping in that position, and.
Speaker 2: He missed the first four games.
Speaker 4: I think he seemed to be a guy that handled
Speaker 4: his rehab very well, and it was that that was
Speaker 4: really career exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and he's he turned twenty nine August thirty.
Speaker 3: First that he had seven hundred and thirty two snaps
Speaker 3: on defense last year.
Speaker 2: And let's point out that Gilmore played that playoff game
Speaker 2: with a harness sign of course, because he had suffered
Speaker 2: the shoulder injury that was presurgerily repaired the end of
Speaker 2: the week, no.
Speaker 4: Doubt, so I would not have played.
Speaker 2: That's that's what to me. That's that's kind of a
Speaker 2: tipping point to what the Cowboys thought of their next
Speaker 2: corner back up that they didn't want to go there,
Speaker 2: and they kind of changed how they played in the
Speaker 2: secondary to accommodate having Gilmore on the field.
Speaker 4: It's hard to hide an experience in the second day.
Speaker 4: It's just because they're coming after whoever they put in,
Speaker 4: they were going to come after him. They came at
Speaker 4: Gilmore knowing that he was injured, right, so you know,
Speaker 4: you do the right thing. You're gonna you're gonna attack
Speaker 4: the weakness. And it didn't matter who was going to
Speaker 4: play that cornerback position, they going to be attacked. It's
Speaker 4: just maybe the only thing I could say, you might
Speaker 4: have might have had a Michael Downs, You might have
Speaker 4: had the Nerrison Walls that might actually step up and
Speaker 4: played better than the veteran did while he was injured.
Speaker 4: So you know, to me, there are times when you
Speaker 4: can't believe the press clippics. You know you have to
Speaker 4: play outside of that. If you look at the way
Speaker 4: we came into nineteen eighty one, no one thought you
Speaker 4: have Michael Downs at safety, and if you did have
Speaker 4: Michael Downs, you would not expect him to play as
Speaker 4: well as he did, so, right, So, sometimes the story
Speaker 4: doesn't match the individual. Throw him out there. You just
Speaker 4: never know what could have happened. I mean, obviously you're
Speaker 4: out there with a guy. It kind of goes to
Speaker 4: his reputation. I don't want to give more out there
Speaker 4: playing like he did. Now everyone's looking at him as
Speaker 4: some type of weakness, not knowing the background of how
Speaker 4: his shoulder was being.
Speaker 2: And who would take his place to thank you?
Speaker 4: And that's the whole point. Who would have taken his place?
Speaker 4: He may have stepped up, he may have done better.
Speaker 4: So sometimes you can't just go with with the resume.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you gotta go with your gun and see what
Speaker 4: the guy can do.
Speaker 2: That's just you know, do we need to take any
Speaker 2: the state of the break?
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Speaker 3: All, right, final segment here before we take a little
Speaker 3: break and Mickey, there are not ninety players on this roster,
Speaker 3: right eighty six eighty six, So there's room to sign
Speaker 3: four players from the United Football League, right Yeah? Well,
Speaker 3: I mean think what happened two years ago? There was
Speaker 3: a player from the USFL in Cavante Turpin who turned
Speaker 3: out to be a Pro bowler. What happened last year
Speaker 3: there was a player from the USFL named Brandon Aubrey
Speaker 3: who wound up being a Pro Bowl player. And so
Speaker 3: do you think maybe there's something the Pro Bowl players
Speaker 3: on on a UFL roster right now? Maybe there's four
Speaker 3: of them that'll be signed by the start of training camp.
Speaker 3: Mickey's nodding an agreement there. He likes that idea.
Speaker 2: But signing those guys, you're signing to Rooking minimums. Although
Speaker 2: the minimums going up, that's right, seven one thousands, So
Speaker 2: if you signed four guys, that's another three million.
Speaker 3: That's what they're saving that Michael Gallup money, right, all right?
Speaker 3: So a position we talked about, cornerbacks is another position
Speaker 3: group that seems like it might be a little light
Speaker 3: as far as the depth goes, would be the wide
Speaker 3: receiver position. You got C. D Lamb, You got Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2: Well, you hope you have CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: Yes, you hope you have.
Speaker 2: Not passing up.
Speaker 3: That's even more to my boint. What if you don't
Speaker 3: have and then you've got Brandon Cooks, you got Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 3: you got Jalen Brooks. It's you got c D, you
Speaker 3: got Brandon, and a bunch of guys named Jayalen.
Speaker 4: I hope they's not forget either.
Speaker 14: You got and you got one as a slot receiver,
Speaker 14: now right. They heard you the other day, Yeah, talking
Speaker 14: about it, that's right, all right?
Speaker 4: So with me, first of all, they didn't hear him.
Speaker 4: I was the one.
Speaker 3: I was the week before. I wouldn't hear last, all right.
Speaker 3: So Savannah, you've talked to a couple of Jalens.
Speaker 12: Yes, So my focus last week was to look at
Speaker 12: that third guy as far as you know, who's going
Speaker 12: to step up to the plate here. And I talked
Speaker 12: to both Jalen Brooks and uh Jalen Tolbert in the
Speaker 12: locker room last week, and uh, I know, one thing
Speaker 12: that we were talking about was the trip that Dak
Speaker 12: plans every year where he takes the wide receivers and they,
Speaker 12: you know, go and bond and do some field work.
Speaker 12: So I asked Jalen Tolbert, he went last year to Atlanta.
Speaker 12: This year they're going to Portland, Oregon. So that's their
Speaker 12: their trip this year. And uh, I asked him, you know,
Speaker 12: his kind of connection to Dak right now and as
Speaker 12: far as what they're doing off the field and outside
Speaker 12: of the Star, and he said he gets with Dak
Speaker 12: about once or twice a week outside of the Star
Speaker 12: and that he said, you can tell that the chemistry
Speaker 12: is continuing to grow. It's special to have a quarterback
Speaker 12: who believes in you, understands you as a person and
Speaker 12: as a player. So I really like their kind of
Speaker 12: bond that they're having right now. And then when I
Speaker 12: talk to Jalen Tolbert, I kind of asked him what
Speaker 12: he's working on as far as his physicality and speed goes,
Speaker 12: because you know, I think that was something that he
Speaker 12: was trying to work on off of his rookie season.
Speaker 12: He said his goal right now is working on his
Speaker 12: lower body strength and conditioning, stabilization. He wants to get
Speaker 12: off the press really well, being able to maintain balance
Speaker 12: after catches, might being able to jump forward a little
Speaker 12: bit more. But he's using a sand pit as his
Speaker 12: outside very nice. So I liked hearing that he gets
Speaker 12: with a couple of the other wide receivers and does
Speaker 12: a sand pitt. Is his kind of off season outside
Speaker 12: of her training, I ran a god, it was horrible.
Speaker 4: I ran a four of your dash on a sand
Speaker 4: based turf.
Speaker 2: Tough to get fast off.
Speaker 4: Way way. The other way much slower, but it's good
Speaker 4: for the It's good for the joints right and your muscles.
Speaker 4: It will help you longevity.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that a guy that wears Jordan's brand shoes
Speaker 3: and other gear would be taking his receivers to Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 4: That's why I want what's the connection? Connection?
Speaker 3: Headquarters are in Portland, track.
Speaker 4: Like, why would you pick Portland?
Speaker 5: I mean the weather though, Arizona.
Speaker 4: Or they go with Atlanta. Where did this come in from?
Speaker 3: Gee?
Speaker 4: I wonder why Oregon?
Speaker 2: Huh, it's not far from U Gene.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that trip that they do is always before
Speaker 5: training camps.
Speaker 3: Let me give you a sleeper guy that caught my attention,
Speaker 3: Ryan Floornoy six round draft pick Racy McMath.
Speaker 15: You know he.
Speaker 2: Did the head racey McMath. I saw this guy out
Speaker 2: there eighty who's huge, he's six three two twenty four,
Speaker 2: went to LSU and probably got overshadowed about.
Speaker 4: Neighbors and those guys.
Speaker 2: Not neighbors, Jefferson and jermal He was a six round
Speaker 2: draft pick of Tennessee in twenty one, and so Jefferson
Speaker 2: came out the year before that, it was and then
Speaker 2: Chase was that year, right, Jamar Chase. So I looked
Speaker 2: up his background and the first two years he had
Speaker 2: injuries hip injury, I think he told me, and he
Speaker 2: was ended up on practice squads, then got released again.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys put him on the practice squad. Uh. Coming
Speaker 2: out for his like pro day, he ran a four
Speaker 2: to three nine.
Speaker 8: Wow at sixty.
Speaker 4: They don't have slow receivers.
Speaker 3: Right, So I don't know where he kind of fits in,
Speaker 3: But I just saw him make a couple of catches
Speaker 3: in a couple of runs, and I'm going, who's this guy?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't worry about blocking. If I need a blacker,
Speaker 2: I'll put a tight end out there taking up.
Speaker 12: Another guy that we were looking at was Princeton Fan.
Speaker 12: He's an undrafted free agent out of Tennessee and he
Speaker 12: is huge.
Speaker 2: Rookie this year, first year, he was a practice squad
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 5: Six to two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 2: He is just built huge, Actually two fifties, Savannah, he's fifty.
Speaker 2: Well that's what they listening on this.
Speaker 4: He got down.
Speaker 3: You probably have his combine weight where he got down
Speaker 3: to he can run faster, and but his true weights
Speaker 3: up to two fifty.
Speaker 2: And because of their missing uh tight ends. So Schoonmakers
Speaker 2: still rehabbing, Peyton Hendershot still rehabing. Uh, Stevens still rehabing.
Speaker 2: This guy's gotten some first team reps because of those
Speaker 2: guys being missing. So he's he's you know, good, that's
Speaker 2: why you noticed his number. Yeah, absolutely. Hmmm.
Speaker 3: So you think maybe we don't have to go outside
Speaker 3: the organization to find some players who can step up
Speaker 3: this year? Huh?
Speaker 2: Young guys.
Speaker 4: I keep telling you.
Speaker 2: Actually, Mike McCarthy keeps saying that that their biggest improvement
Speaker 2: on this roster has to come from within and young guys.
Speaker 2: And they need, by the way, Micah Parsons to get
Speaker 2: his button.
Speaker 3: That's the next thing we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got that off my chest here doing.
Speaker 3: I understand. Listen with Mickey rant I understand, I understand,
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 2: The boxing thing, right. But he came last week for
Speaker 2: the media days stuff, went through all that, but he
Speaker 2: didn't stay. So you know, at some point, if you're
Speaker 2: going to be the leader of this defense, you need
Speaker 2: to bond with these players. And and and they're watching now.
Speaker 2: I know players, they know how talented he was, and
Speaker 2: they won't hold it against them. But still you gotta
Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator with somewhat of a new defensive system.
Speaker 2: And I still get the feeling that Mike Zimmer would
Speaker 2: like to use three linebackers and they would like to
Speaker 2: put him at anbacker at the time.
Speaker 4: But now he's it's a negotiation thing right in the contract.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that's behind it or not,
Speaker 2: or that you know, he never he's never done this.
Speaker 2: He did this last year.
Speaker 4: No, he did last year.
Speaker 2: He trained on his own and he was in good shape,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And and.
Speaker 2: Uh M talked about Yeah, he talked about how he
Speaker 2: you know, he he stays in contact da da da da.
Speaker 2: But he also said something to effect, but you should
Speaker 2: never miss opportunities to be to improve or kind of
Speaker 2: be with your team. So while I thought McCarthy said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, no big deal, but I deep down to
Speaker 2: him it was a big deal. Now he's.
Speaker 4: I think, I think with a new defense, yes he
Speaker 4: should be.
Speaker 3: But he McCarthy did acknowledge that in his press conference
Speaker 3: last week. Publicly, Yeah, they publicly acknowledged what he's missing
Speaker 3: by not being here.
Speaker 4: That's good because has got a few more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his point was, you got to do this
Speaker 2: stuff now so that when we hit the ground in
Speaker 2: Oxnard on July twenty third, by the way, and they're
Speaker 2: there to August twenty second, that you're ready to go.
Speaker 2: You're not playing ketchup and so yeah, so it'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see. Now you get fine for missing mini
Speaker 2: camp practice.
Speaker 3: Now last year, then you don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: You just going to say last year Zach Martin was here,
Speaker 2: he just didn't do anything. He had that hamstring, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well they weren't putting it in new offense either.
Speaker 2: Uh so you can show up and say I got
Speaker 2: an ankle, but at least be here, be in the meetings,
Speaker 2: be with your teammates. That's kind of my point.
Speaker 3: Do you like, ever since this setup where they basically
Speaker 3: have an off season where they start April twentieth or
Speaker 3: so with the official off season program and end they're
Speaker 3: ending this week because he's let's say June tenth, and
Speaker 3: then you have the break before training camp, or do
Speaker 3: you like the proposal that's out there that they would
Speaker 3: not have to do anything until June and then they
Speaker 3: would basically you're doing a three week ramp up to
Speaker 3: training camp. You just go right into training camp.
Speaker 4: That sounds more like old school the latter you know,
Speaker 4: we you didn't have anything.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean back back in the day. We
Speaker 3: have many camp Back in the day, I mean we're
Speaker 3: talking fifty years ago, sixty fifty five years ago. The
Speaker 3: Cowboys would they basically the rookies. The rookies would report
Speaker 3: to training camp in Thousand Oaks basically the fourth of July.
Speaker 3: Fourth of July was to start a training camp. Basically, oh,
Speaker 3: and they would be there for a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: and then the Vets would be there and they would
Speaker 3: they would and even the Vets would still be there
Speaker 3: for like six weeks from July seventeenth until September.
Speaker 15: First or whatever. The regular season, and you had opportunities,
Speaker 15: you know, to work out. You sign in, you had
Speaker 15: the opportunities to work out in the off season all
Speaker 15: off season, and if you did, you well, they had
Speaker 15: a little motivation and things and well I think they
Speaker 15: gave Way.
Speaker 4: Watches and stuff like that for you know, doing well
Speaker 4: and coming for like the sixty days in the off
Speaker 4: season or forty days in the off season, and so
Speaker 4: that opportunity was always there for the veterans. So that
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of the latter proposal that you
Speaker 4: talked about.
Speaker 2: I remember asking D d Lewis. I don't know how
Speaker 2: we got on the subject during the interview, but about
Speaker 2: off season workouts. I said, so, how much did you
Speaker 2: work out in the off season? He goes, oh, he goes,
Speaker 2: My workouts were in the pool and I said, you swam?
Speaker 2: He goes, no, I did twelve ounce curls.
Speaker 4: Well, DD's body because it shows that he played with
Speaker 4: his writing experience. DD was not a guy that was
Speaker 4: gonna go out there and muscle someone. He played with instincts.
Speaker 4: So and I must admit I did not enjoy coming
Speaker 4: up to the practice field and work out. I did
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff on my own.
Speaker 2: Uh did you do it indoors?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I was come on, I was still did swimming, basketball.
Speaker 4: I mean it was micah before. I did a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff.
Speaker 2: I was referring to. Your weight room was outdoors.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't do weights, No, no, no, weights.
Speaker 4: I didn't do wights.
Speaker 5: Sand Pitt, Yeah, sanm Pitt.
Speaker 4: I love sant Pitt. No I did. I did work
Speaker 4: like that, that stuff that could not break you down,
Speaker 4: but build up your muscles, and working in the sand
Speaker 4: pit does that. I wasn't into running four hundred meters.
Speaker 4: How many times you can run four hundred meters and
Speaker 4: all that crap. To me, that is not football. You know.
Speaker 4: When it comes to football, you have to be able
Speaker 4: to play football. And I wanted to do one on
Speaker 4: one coverage. I wanted to do what I was good at.
Speaker 4: Tackling is one thing, but I made my living playing
Speaker 4: one on one. So as long as I did things,
Speaker 4: That's why I played tennis, That's why I played basketball
Speaker 4: because those helped me with my man to man technique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so did you have to run the Landry Mile?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It was a mount and a half, by the way,
Speaker 4: mile and a half. Yes, Dry mile is a mount
Speaker 4: and a half.
Speaker 3: How many game?
Speaker 4: I just hated it, dude, just at that time. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm a half manthon I guy.
Speaker 3: But I hate the best in Everson Walls. In his
Speaker 3: career sixteen games in eighty one strike shortened season eighty
Speaker 3: two nine games. He's a regular season game sixteen games
Speaker 3: in eighty three, sixteen and eighty four sixteen and eighty
Speaker 3: five sixteen and eighty six strike shortened season in eighty
Speaker 3: seven twelve games, eighty eight sixteen games, eighty nine sixteen,
Speaker 3: ninety sixteen games, ninety one fourteen games in ninety two
Speaker 3: sixteen games. So how many games did you miss in
Speaker 3: your career? Two two in that nineteen and the Giants
Speaker 3: in ninety one season, it seemed to worry.
Speaker 4: Got my ReBs cracked.
Speaker 2: Did you do try to make a tackle?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He already said, it's man and man coverage one on one.
Speaker 3: And look how many games players are missing today? You
Speaker 3: got a weightlifting that's it. It's the weightlifting.
Speaker 2: I think the argument for beginning the off season stuff
Speaker 2: in June, middle of June whatever, and then blending in
Speaker 2: the training camp is the quality of play might pick
Speaker 2: up because you're more ready than to take six six
Speaker 2: weeks six weeks off before training camp.
Speaker 3: See, now they're on their own for the next six
Speaker 3: weeks to try to keep what they're already started this offseason.
Speaker 4: And now they're different than we were. You know, they're
Speaker 4: just different.
Speaker 2: Well, guys probably in better shape, don't you think, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Remember you you I don't know if you guys had
Speaker 2: this available, but all of them go to these different
Speaker 2: workout places, like the offensive linemen, the wide receivers.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 3: Specific thrills. Yeah, okay, we're out of time. We're passed
Speaker 3: out of time.
Speaker 2: Covered a lot of all right, and covered it well.
Speaker 4: Yes we did.
Speaker 3: Okay, So next time we chat at y'all, it'll be Oxnard,
Speaker 3: California or beyond.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be done with all this hockey
Speaker 2: and basketball?
Speaker 3: Hockey right now? With basketball? Hopefully in four games? Is
Speaker 3: gonna be done with basketball?
Speaker 2: And if the Rangers keep going, you won't have to
Speaker 2: deal with them.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 3: Number one five out of the last six. Now that's
Speaker 3: players are on the injured list coming back.
Speaker 4: I told you he's gonna he's gonna rap him up.
Speaker 4: He knows exactly what he's.
Speaker 2: Got, an entire tire, starting pitching staff.
Speaker 4: He what he's doing. All right?
Speaker 3: Does it for Mick Shines? We will chat at you
Speaker 3: next time.
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