Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl, Danielle Moody recording from Washington, d C. Folks.
Speaker 1: I had the extraordinary honor of attending Pride at the
Speaker 1: White House this past week, and I will tell you that,
Speaker 1: as hard as I go for this administration, because of
Speaker 1: their lack of understanding urgency of this moment and the
Speaker 1: ability to actually save our democracy, I will say this,
Speaker 1: there is nothing quite like being with a group of
Speaker 1: queer Americans who have dedicated their lives to advancing LGBTQ
Speaker 1: equality and having that be recognized and not only recognized,
Speaker 1: but celebrated by the President of the United States. This
Speaker 1: is the first Pride in person that we have had
Speaker 1: since the Trump administration. When the Trump administration came into
Speaker 1: office following Obama, they erased any visibility, any recognition, any honoring,
Speaker 1: celebration of LGBTQ Americans. As a matter of fact, they
Speaker 1: took us off the website all together. Not only did
Speaker 1: they take us off of the website, but they then
Speaker 1: proceeded to create policies that would harm our community. We've
Speaker 1: seen over the last year plus hundreds hundreds of anti
Speaker 1: trans bills that we've talked about on this show, and
Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about on other shows. And so
Speaker 1: to take a day, to take an afternoon to honor
Speaker 1: and celebrate what it means to have pride, what it
Speaker 1: means to be a proud LGBTQ American is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: To walk through once again the halls of the White House,
Speaker 1: to take in history and understand, by virtue of my
Speaker 1: presence there, I am a part of creating a new history,
Speaker 1: creating a new story. So to walk the halls again
Speaker 1: and to look and see the pictures and to greet
Speaker 1: old friends and new in these beautiful, beautiful halls, it
Speaker 1: was overwhelming. And I didn't realize. You all know that
Speaker 1: I was at Kabej's commemoration in the Rose Garden a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago for her being named to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, but I hadn't been inside the White House
Speaker 1: in quite some time, and so it was like a
Speaker 1: flood of these beautiful memories coming back of a time
Speaker 1: that has long since passed. And I was sat around
Speaker 1: with friends this week and I said, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a thing that I do regret about the Obama years.
Speaker 1: And they said, what, you know, what is it that
Speaker 1: you regret, And I say, I regret that we felt
Speaker 1: at that time that this was going to be the
Speaker 1: beginning of something new. We felt the power, we felt
Speaker 1: the community, we felt the connectivity, and we thought that
Speaker 1: the Obama years were the beginning. And frankly they should
Speaker 1: have been, but we also should have been a lot
Speaker 1: more present. And that's where I have regret is that
Speaker 1: it had become the norm to go to the White
Speaker 1: House for meetings, for events, for parties. It had become
Speaker 1: the norm to be named, to be seen and not
Speaker 1: be ignored or thrown away by our administration. And so
Speaker 1: when Trump came in, it wasn't just like cold water.
Speaker 1: It was like jumping into a pool of acid. You
Speaker 1: went from the White House being turned rainbow to signify
Speaker 1: the passing of marriage equality in twenty fifteen to it
Speaker 1: literally having lights out, lights out on our democracy, lights
Speaker 1: out on anything that was not white, cis straight and
Speaker 1: quote unquote Christian. So to be in the presence of
Speaker 1: the President, the first Lady, the Vice President was an
Speaker 1: amazing experience and it reminded me of how hard fought
Speaker 1: the rights that we have gotten to this point have been,
Speaker 1: but that we can no longer take things for granted,
Speaker 1: because what was one today can be taken away tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And so for us to have real progress, right, for
Speaker 1: us to understand real progress, we have to put in
Speaker 1: the consistent, real work. I posted my pictures on Instagram,
Speaker 1: So if you want to see some of the pictures
Speaker 1: from the celebration at the White House, by all means,
Speaker 1: go and check out my Instagram at D two sense
Speaker 1: d E t w oc e nts, the same as
Speaker 1: my Twitter, and you can see some of the pictures
Speaker 1: and the beautiful spread of food. And somebody had remarked
Speaker 1: and it was hilarious because I'd forgotten. They go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you mean you got actual food at the
Speaker 1: White House and not a pile of fast food for McDonald's.
Speaker 1: If you remember what the President did welcoming basketball teams
Speaker 1: into the White House for their historic win and then
Speaker 1: them being met with cold, hard, dried out fast food.
Speaker 1: That's not how you honor people, and that is definitely
Speaker 1: not how we were greeted at the White House this week.
Speaker 1: The queer community the White House had rainbows going all
Speaker 1: over the place and streamers down and the band was
Speaker 1: playing and there were rainbow roses in the banquet room,
Speaker 1: and it was just a beautiful, beautiful time and for
Speaker 1: a few hours we all got to cheer as each
Speaker 1: other and hug and congratulate one another on a wonderful
Speaker 1: Pride month. But it was also clouded, right, because what
Speaker 1: has happened over the past couple of weeks. We have
Speaker 1: seen a white supremacist terrorist group be disrupted as they
Speaker 1: were headed to a Pride event to go and cause
Speaker 1: I'm certain harm right, who gets pulled over with riot
Speaker 1: gear and shields and smoke bombs and all of these
Speaker 1: things if you're not setting up to ensue some type
Speaker 1: of violence. You had the Proud Boys break into a
Speaker 1: drag story time in California and start hurling transphobic and
Speaker 1: homophobic insults. You have Marjorie Taylor Green's dumbass saying that
Speaker 1: she's going to write legislation to make it a legal
Speaker 1: to have drag queens around children. You know what should
Speaker 1: be fucking illegal, having racist, white supremaci homophobic pieces of
Speaker 1: shit around children. You know what should be illegal carrying
Speaker 1: in AR fifteen in this country because that causes more
Speaker 1: harm than a fucking drag queen reading a story. But
Speaker 1: those are the things that the Republican Party wants to
Speaker 1: concentrate on. You see, they want to create this culture
Speaker 1: war as if the real enemies of this state are
Speaker 1: not the ones that are occupying the title Republican, as
Speaker 1: if the real enemies are not the people who have
Speaker 1: access to their own personal arsenals, and then decide that
Speaker 1: they are going to seek revenge on communities they feel
Speaker 1: like are trying to quote unquote replace them. What should
Speaker 1: be illegal is for a member of Congress to attend
Speaker 1: a white Supremacis rally and still have a fucking job.
Speaker 1: That's what should be illegal. But we don't have those conversations. Instead,
Speaker 1: we allow the right to propagate their bullshit and then
Speaker 1: us sit and couch ourselves in defense. We need to
Speaker 1: be more proactive if we need to call out who
Speaker 1: these people are and what they stand for. We need
Speaker 1: to stop allowing them to make criminals of the LGBTQ community,
Speaker 1: of the black community, of the Latin X community, of
Speaker 1: Indigenous people, of Muslim people. Right, you don't get to
Speaker 1: rewrite what you believe America should look like because other
Speaker 1: people's truth make your bullshit uncomfortable. Because that's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to. Folks fear right, fear, and the desire
Speaker 1: to control. Because, let me tell you something that is
Speaker 1: such an affront to white supremacy and patriarchy. Are people
Speaker 1: defining themselves for themselves. And that's why they see such
Speaker 1: a problem with the LGBTQ community. Why can't you just
Speaker 1: go along with the get along? Why can't you fall
Speaker 1: for the prescriptions that society has put out to you
Speaker 1: based on some story in the Bible. And it's because
Speaker 1: guess what, God made us all and he made us
Speaker 1: all different, and you don't get to tell me how
Speaker 1: I should define myself. You don't get to box me.
Speaker 1: And so when we celebrate pride, this is what it
Speaker 1: is about. It is about holding our heads up high,
Speaker 1: straightening our backs, putting our shoulders back, and saying you
Speaker 1: will fucking see me, and I am no longer ashamed.
Speaker 1: That is the beauty of pride. And it felt so
Speaker 1: wonderful and always humbling to be invited to attend these
Speaker 1: events at the People's House and be reminded of our
Speaker 1: power and our purpose and our pathway towards bending the
Speaker 1: ark a little bit more towards justice. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: my conversation with a woman who came out as transgender
Speaker 1: to her employees in an email. When Noland and what
Speaker 1: the effects of that have been and what made her
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Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome to Woka affadaily for
Speaker 1: the first time. Win Noland, who is the CEO of
Speaker 1: Bradley and Parker and at the age of fifty six,
Speaker 1: came out in an email to her employees as trans.
Speaker 1: When I want to start with what your mental, emotional,
Speaker 1: physical preparation was to make the decision to come out
Speaker 1: at fifty six. When we think about and to have
Speaker 1: conversations about people coming out, whether you're coming out as gay,
Speaker 1: as trans, as bisexual, or so on, we often think
Speaker 1: about young, younger people, right, and so what was the
Speaker 1: walk us through, what the experience was for you to
Speaker 1: be in your fifties and make this incredibly important and
Speaker 1: impactful decision. So, first of all, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: having me. It's it's a real pleasure to be with
Speaker 1: you in your audience today. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that a large part of my late transition had to
Speaker 1: do with with the time period that I was born
Speaker 1: in and that I was raised in. There was really
Speaker 1: very little information out there when I was growing up
Speaker 1: about what being trans was. You know, there was a time,
Speaker 1: and I'm old enough to know this, there was a
Speaker 1: time when we had no Google, we had no Internet.
Speaker 1: You know, you had the World Book Encyclopedia and your
Speaker 1: public library, and neither of those two places were repositories
Speaker 1: for information regarding trans people. So I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people in my generation knew that they didn't fit in,
Speaker 1: knew that there was not and I say this, I'm
Speaker 1: saying this so so I hope that people don't get
Speaker 1: mad at me. Knew that something wasn't quite right, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean that. And you know, we have the
Speaker 1: we all have the right to be where we are.
Speaker 1: But you know, you just knew you didn't fit in.
Speaker 1: Something wasn't quite the same as everyone else. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't that easy to label, you know. So a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of people from my generation who were
Speaker 1: trans kind of initially thought that they were. It wasn't
Speaker 1: so much that they were trans, but maybe that they
Speaker 1: were gay, because there was more information about that. Although
Speaker 1: certainly not as prevalent as it is today, it was
Speaker 1: still light years ahead about where information about trans people was.
Speaker 1: So I think for my own personal story, I think
Speaker 1: that was the case for me that I really didn't
Speaker 1: I knew something was different about me, but it was
Speaker 1: hard for me to quantify it for a long time.
Speaker 1: And then when I was able to quantify it, it
Speaker 1: just didn't seem that there was really anything much to
Speaker 1: do about it because I certainly didn't know anyone who transitioned.
Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't anything in really popular culture or
Speaker 1: media about it. So it really wasn't until the Internet.
Speaker 1: The Internet started to really take hold, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden there was just it was like opening a
Speaker 1: Pandora's box of information that became available to people, and
Speaker 1: you found out about other people experiencing these same kinds
Speaker 1: of things, and that, in fact, there were options to
Speaker 1: do something about it, which is, you know, ultimately what
Speaker 1: I did. So that was kind of the timeline as
Speaker 1: to why I came out so late, And there's the
Speaker 1: reasons that a lot of us who come out have.
Speaker 1: You know, you worry about acceptance at work, you worry
Speaker 1: about acceptance in your family, you worry about acceptance in
Speaker 1: romantic relationships. You know, there's a whole plethora of anxiety
Speaker 1: and angst that goes along with it. So it just
Speaker 1: took me a while to work that all out. How
Speaker 1: did you go through your process? Meaning did you build that? So?
Speaker 1: For me when I came out as as queer, it
Speaker 1: was I was quite young, had finished college, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure for me that I had had
Speaker 1: the support of my friends, my sister like that, I
Speaker 1: had built up my own kind of fortified community before
Speaker 1: I came out to my parents, right because I wanted
Speaker 1: to feel like I had people on my side. And
Speaker 1: so for you, how how did you go through that
Speaker 1: process before you would then tell employees, Yeah, totally totally
Speaker 1: get what you're saying there. And I did something quite
Speaker 1: similar with me. I'm an only child and don't have
Speaker 1: a you know, kind of a large nuclear family. But
Speaker 1: I confided in some close friends and some closed business
Speaker 1: associates who knew for you know, they knew a good
Speaker 1: deal earlier than the rest of the people I told.
Speaker 1: And and for those exact same reasons that you discussed.
Speaker 1: You know, you need someone to kind of be a
Speaker 1: safe harbor. You need someone to kind of bounce things
Speaker 1: off of, you know, once you get them, once you
Speaker 1: get them kind of on your side, to use you
Speaker 1: to use your phase. You can then bounce things off them. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think if I do it
Speaker 1: this way? Or how do you think this is going
Speaker 1: to be perceived? And it just listen to anything we
Speaker 1: do in life, whether it's what we're talking about or
Speaker 1: any other pursuit. Having valuable friends and allies is you know,
Speaker 1: it is just always a game changer. So when do
Speaker 1: you make the decision? Now? How long was it until
Speaker 1: you drafted the email to your employees? Had you told
Speaker 1: other people? Had you told the board? Had you told
Speaker 1: you know, other people that were kind of stakeholders and
Speaker 1: at your executive C suite level? Before then you would
Speaker 1: tell everyone else. So I kind of made the decision
Speaker 1: to do this in I think it. I'm hoping I'm
Speaker 1: getting my own year, right. I think it was January
Speaker 1: of twenty and seventeen, and the email announcement you're talking
Speaker 1: about was sent out in May of that same year,
Speaker 1: after the long Memorial Day weekend. It was the Tuesday
Speaker 1: that we came back. Particularly because of my position and
Speaker 1: legal responsibilities and things of that nature that I have,
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that I did everything as
Speaker 1: correctly as I could from a legal standpoint. So earlier
Speaker 1: in that year. Once I had made the decision, I
Speaker 1: retained an attorney who was an expert does a lot
Speaker 1: of pro bono work. Actually, he's an expert in trans
Speaker 1: issues and getting all your documents right, getting your end
Speaker 1: of markers changed, getting your birth certificate changed. You know,
Speaker 1: here in New York. Here in New York, we're lucky
Speaker 1: because we're able to do all those things. You know,
Speaker 1: in other states people find it much more challenging. Here
Speaker 1: in New York. It's effort, and it should be effort.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you should be able to do
Speaker 1: these things, you know, with a wave of a hand.
Speaker 1: But it's it's the effort is is extremely justified and
Speaker 1: not over It's not a burden. So I was able
Speaker 1: to get all those things done prior to making the
Speaker 1: announcement that I did in after that Memorial Day. So
Speaker 1: it was about it, I guess, like a four or
Speaker 1: five month process of kind of getting ready and getting
Speaker 1: kind of all because you know, as you might expect,
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty organized person. I'm goal oriented. Uh So
Speaker 1: you know I had kind of a I had kind
Speaker 1: of my own pathway this is what I need to
Speaker 1: get done by then, this is what I need to
Speaker 1: get done by this date. Um So I was able
Speaker 1: to accomplish all those things. And during that time, excuse me,
Speaker 1: I did have a couple of conversations, several conversations with
Speaker 1: exactly those types of people you're talking about, um, fellow
Speaker 1: board members, the executives, excuse me, people that I'm just
Speaker 1: friendly with here, um that I wanted to give them
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a heads up because I
Speaker 1: thought they deserved it. So what was the response when?
Speaker 1: What was what was the overall response, and what is
Speaker 1: the response been, Because now it's been roughly five years, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: four yeah, so it's been it's yeah to tell us,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm feeling a coughing episode coming on.
Speaker 1: Bad timing. UM So, I think the most, um, the
Speaker 1: most appropriate way to discuss with you how everyone's reaction
Speaker 1: was is to say there was an initial element of surprise,
Speaker 1: which I personally believe and I know some trance people
Speaker 1: don't agree with me on this, I personally believe that
Speaker 1: that is to be expected, and that's okay. You know,
Speaker 1: in my case, I had years and years and years
Speaker 1: of figuring out what the heck was going on with
Speaker 1: me and making this decision. In the case of these
Speaker 1: other people, I was presenting, I mean, so much differently
Speaker 1: than I am today on this goal with you. This
Speaker 1: is how they knew me for ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if they weren't surprised. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you have to give people that initial you know,
Speaker 1: that initial breath for them to take it all in
Speaker 1: and process it. So there was definitely that, but that
Speaker 1: was very quickly replaced almost universally, with a really tremendous
Speaker 1: level of support. So I have really and truly been
Speaker 1: very blessed in how my transition you know, progressed, and
Speaker 1: how my transition was seen by others. And and I
Speaker 1: know that I am blessed and fortunate because I know
Speaker 1: that a lot of other people have a much more
Speaker 1: difficult time, much more Yeah. And one of the reasons why,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why, you know, a few years
Speaker 1: ago I agreed to to be more public about this,
Speaker 1: and you know, had some really top tier media attention
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal and Fox News, etc. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons I did that was because I wanted
Speaker 1: to show people that there are success stories here, that
Speaker 1: not everything is a horror show, But that doesn't change
Speaker 1: the fact that some people go through those really, really
Speaker 1: tough time. What do you make when now, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years are removed from you coming out,
Speaker 1: and the attacks that you're seeing around the country, particularly
Speaker 1: on trans youth, directed at trans youth, or the parents
Speaker 1: of trans children, particularly in Texas for instance, where they're
Speaker 1: being criminalized for providing the care that their children need
Speaker 1: in order to live full and complete lives. So how
Speaker 1: has that been landing on you? So, you know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned before we were talking about the steps in my transition,
Speaker 1: how living in New York things were considerably easier than
Speaker 1: they would be if I lived, for instance, in Texas,
Speaker 1: right And this is really to me, this is such
Speaker 1: such an unfortunate reflection of a lot that's going on
Speaker 1: in our country right now, where we have just become
Speaker 1: ultra polarized and and everything is now seen in this scene,
Speaker 1: in this red and blue split um and it's just
Speaker 1: I find it. I find it so disturbing that you know,
Speaker 1: we made, we made a lot of strides as a
Speaker 1: country in embracing diversity and being inclusive, and now we're seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, on the part of a lot of these
Speaker 1: kinds of states like Texas of course is in the
Speaker 1: farmat but you know, tennis See has some nasty laws
Speaker 1: on the books, and there's some stuff going on in Florida.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know the statistics, but you
Speaker 1: know it's more than three or four states. This is
Speaker 1: going on a lot of states. It's just so troubling
Speaker 1: because these people, we just want to live our lives.
Speaker 1: We're not trying to inflict my lifestyle and my gender identification.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to inflict that on anybody else. This
Speaker 1: is what's right for me, And you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to live my life the way that I think
Speaker 1: you should be able to live yours, and everybody should
Speaker 1: be able to live theres and the fact that this
Speaker 1: seems to be I think the thing that bothers me
Speaker 1: the most is that it's like being demonized. That you know,
Speaker 1: being trans or different in some respect is being demonized.
Speaker 1: And in reality, you know, the great thing about this
Speaker 1: country to me has always been that it's a melting
Speaker 1: pot of so many different nationalities and cultures and sexual
Speaker 1: identities and everything else. And that's where we get our
Speaker 1: strength from that diversity. And I just I find it
Speaker 1: very very, very troubling. You know, we're both in New York,
Speaker 1: and so to some extent there's like a sheltering right
Speaker 1: that happens. We absolutely, but I think that my concern
Speaker 1: and the concern that I raise on woke f you know,
Speaker 1: have been raising the alarm on for the past couple
Speaker 1: of years, is that I don't believe that we will
Speaker 1: all be safe for long just because we happen to
Speaker 1: be in blue states, particularly if we have those that
Speaker 1: are forcing these anti LGBTQ policies make it to the
Speaker 1: federal level. So you know, that's the depth of fear, right,
Speaker 1: that's definitely the fear. I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I guess it's I guess it's two years ago. It is.
Speaker 1: It's two years ago now. I'm sure you were like me,
Speaker 1: and when that big Title nine case was in the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, I was fully prepared for that to go
Speaker 1: the other way and was really pleasantly surprised, and you know,
Speaker 1: in a way affirmed a little bit that says, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe these people aren't all as crazy as we think
Speaker 1: they are, because you know, they upheld that, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of us in our community thought that
Speaker 1: was going the wrong way. Yeah, so you know, one
Speaker 1: of the one of the things. So I absolutely agree
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, because if these things reach the
Speaker 1: federal level, and of course, right now, if you listen
Speaker 1: to the variety of talking heads, the Democrats, as much
Speaker 1: as some people may not want to admit this, the
Speaker 1: Democrats are in trouble everywhere. Um. And you know it's
Speaker 1: a it's you know, they're in hour now. But you
Speaker 1: know it's a very dare. It's as slim as a
Speaker 1: razor blade, right. I mean, so that's that obviously is worrisome.
Speaker 1: But I think the real challenge, I think for people
Speaker 1: like us, you and I and others that are trying
Speaker 1: to raise our voices in support of these issues and
Speaker 1: kind of like you said, sounding the warning bells, I
Speaker 1: think the job that we have is to reach the
Speaker 1: average member of the American public. And here's what I
Speaker 1: mean by this. It seems to me, it seems to
Speaker 1: me that the narrative, no matter what side of the
Speaker 1: political spectrum you're on, whether you're the far right or
Speaker 1: the far left, the narrative seems to be really driven
Speaker 1: by these two extremes. And you're average American on the street,
Speaker 1: whether they identify as Republican or Democrat, or conservative or liberal.
Speaker 1: You're average American in the street has fairly average values
Speaker 1: and average opinions on these things. Like if you ask
Speaker 1: the average person in the street, do you think we
Speaker 1: should defund all the police, they're like, no, of course not.
Speaker 1: But then if you ask that same person, well, do
Speaker 1: you think we should hold police accountable so that they don't,
Speaker 1: you know, so they don't kill people like Raymond Floyd?
Speaker 1: They say, of course we should. So there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of agreement out there, but there doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be any agreement by the people that are running yet
Speaker 1: the negative. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and I think I
Speaker 1: think it's it's our job to the best that we
Speaker 1: can to get those people to wake up and to
Speaker 1: get them to understand that that by just being silent,
Speaker 1: because none of this really affects them, you know, they're
Speaker 1: going to get a very different place. What a question
Speaker 1: for you, when what advice do you have for somebody
Speaker 1: that is listening that has yet to come out that
Speaker 1: they you know, they in their mind they've reached an
Speaker 1: age where they're just like, Nope, this is just the
Speaker 1: way that life is and I gotta keep you know,
Speaker 1: just keep on keeping on. What advice do you have
Speaker 1: to them? So that a form of that question I
Speaker 1: get a lot and um my answer is always the same,
Speaker 1: and that is, if you if there's a way for
Speaker 1: you to do this, don't delay. If you think it's
Speaker 1: something you want to do, don't delay. This is this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to say now. Is is a
Speaker 1: sentiment that so many people have expressed, and they express
Speaker 1: it because it's true. You can have all the money
Speaker 1: in the world, you can have all the friends in
Speaker 1: the world, You're can have the best relationships, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of things, but one thing you can't
Speaker 1: get more of his time. We're all allotted a certain
Speaker 1: amount of time, and kicking the can down the road
Speaker 1: is not usually a great strategy because it wastes time.
Speaker 1: So another kind of a part of the question you
Speaker 1: asked was, well, what about people who just don't think
Speaker 1: that there's a path right there? They know in their
Speaker 1: hearts that they would like things to be different, but
Speaker 1: they don't think that there's a path. I understand that,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think for some people there isn't a path.
Speaker 1: But I also think there is a path for many
Speaker 1: people that don't think there is one, and my advice
Speaker 1: to them is to really go and seek some help.
Speaker 1: We are, we are much We're in a much better
Speaker 1: position now than we were a generation or two ago.
Speaker 1: There are a number of so many talented gender therapists
Speaker 1: who can help people navigate this. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you think there's no way out, maybe there isn't, but
Speaker 1: maybe there is, and you know, try to do some
Speaker 1: legwork and get some help to make sure that there
Speaker 1: really isn't an avenue for you to progress forward and
Speaker 1: be happier. Yeah, when Nolan, thank you so much for
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