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Speaker 3: Podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Friday, May twenty second.

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Speaker 3: This is film Session, and today we're breaking down nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety eight. Spike Lee joint he got game. I'm Jay

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Speaker 3: Skeets alongside me thanks to the power of technology. Tasmlis Yes, everybody,

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Speaker 3: Hey Tassy, we got the bearded one. Trey Kirby heyo. Hey,

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Speaker 3: of Count the Dings, that NBA Wu Tang collective you

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Speaker 3: guys all know and love. He's a teacher. So everybody

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Speaker 3: sit up straight in his real name Trayvon Edwards, but

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Speaker 3: you likely know him as black Tray Tray. What's up man?

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining us here this morning. Talk a little

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Speaker 3: he got game, but before we lace up our Jordan

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Speaker 3: check out the two classics we dropped on Thursday. We

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Speaker 3: Lee had a huge guest on Popin' Packs yesterday. We

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Speaker 3: old pack of basketball cards and talking about everything. So

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Speaker 3: Lee's exhausted. That's why we had to get Black Tray

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Speaker 3: in here today. And you guys know we're on Facebook

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's official.

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Speaker 3: We're now on Facebook. Okay, into the movie here in

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Speaker 3: film session again. Nineteen ninety eight's He Got Game, written

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Speaker 3: and Ray Allen. The IMDb synopsis a basketball player's father

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Speaker 3: must try to convince him to go to a college

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Speaker 3: so he can get a shorter sentence Black Tray. Earlier

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Speaker 3: this week, I tweeted that He Got Game was gonna

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Speaker 3: be this Friday's movie, and you retweeted it with tag

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Speaker 3: me in for this one. So that can only mean

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Speaker 3: one of two things to me. One, you really love

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Speaker 3: b maybe you dislike this movie and it's one of

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Speaker 3: those movies that's fun to clown. So which one is it?

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Speaker 3: Black Tray?

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Speaker 4: I think I'm in the middle. Okay, So the time

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Speaker 4: when it rolled out, I was like obviously Spike Lee

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Speaker 4: Pick, Well, ray Allen's acting was really bad, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 6: At Skeets, it wasn't just people saying that Ray Allen

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Speaker 6: I think the reputation for the past twenty two years

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Speaker 5: And that's the crazy thing to me, is that.

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Speaker 5: Like, all you're doing is player on your nostrils.

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Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I mean Spike. The story goes that Spike

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Speaker 3: And you know, Kobe liked the script. He was excited

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Speaker 3: then Spike went with Ray Allen. You know, Black Tray.

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Speaker 3: It would be weird to see this. It'd be fascinating,

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Speaker 4: I like the rawness of Ray Allen, so again, I

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Speaker 4: you get what you get ninety eight you can't. It

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Speaker 7: Right, Skeates, you had him in your top five basketball

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but not to do with acting too, yeah my

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's in there, so nothing to do with actors.

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Speaker 3: Definitely nothing to do with acting.

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Speaker 6: No, I had, Oh, come on, there are still not

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Speaker 6: that many professional actors or professional athletes who are better

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said, TK, it's like he's asked

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Speaker 3: decent job. You know, you roll your eyes a couple

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Speaker 3: you're right, it wasn't bad.

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Speaker 3: You've never watched this movie right before, it was your

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Speaker 1: So as far as Ray Allen goes as an actor,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was fine. I mean, having met Ray

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Speaker 7: We were Yeah, that was an All Star weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, I don't see how this guy can act,

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Speaker 1: Like it's he's about He's not an actor, so let's

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Speaker 3: What is your favorite scene in this movie, Tess, did

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Speaker 7: Well, I was just thinking about there's a few I

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Speaker 7: But that's that's who he is, and that's and that's

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Speaker 7: I think what JD's talking about when he just he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Willie, Yeah, he's like he's one of them, of everything,

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Speaker 7: Big Time Willie is big time Tommy before big Time Tommy,

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Speaker 5: Ru Hey, Oh jesus, it's big time Willie.

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Speaker 3: Trey White Trey. Would you do you have a favorite

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Speaker 6: I don't remember exactly who it is who says I

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Speaker 7: Honestly, Rick killed it in that scene. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, JD. I don't want to jump right to the end,

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Speaker 3: Am I missing something? Is it too cheesy? Is it

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Speaker 2: Is it cheesy? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think it is. Was it in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the connection that the father has

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Speaker 2: But I like the ending.

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Speaker 1: As a father, I found I found the story between

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Speaker 3: guys know, but maybe some of the listeners note the

436
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: original script called for Jesus to win that thing fifteen oh,

437
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 3: so for him to kick his dad's ass, and that

438
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: didn't happen because Spike encouraged the actors, you know, Denzel

439
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: and Ray Allen to like, hey, just play you know,

440
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: play real, so this will hopefully come across a little

441
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: bit better on the film, And Denzel started getting buckets

442
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: and you get like he is throwing up some prayers.

443
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: He actually drives on him the one time, which is

444
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: pretty impressive, but he banks home a couple that are

445
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: just prayers, and I think, like the you know, the

446
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 3: crew on set is like starting to laugh, Like I

447
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 3: think Denzel takes a lead in this game and everyone's

448
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: like whoa, whoa, whoa. And then of course Ray Allen

449
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: turns it on a little bit and you get you know,

450
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: him kicking his ass. But I love I love how

451
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 3: it shot. The music. I know we'll get into that

452
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: is incredible and was really I had totally forgotten about

453
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: when I was a kid watching this. That final scene

454
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: is it is fantastic, Tassa. I assume you're fan of

455
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 3: that one on one basketball scene.

456
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 7: I was. I think that was a great decision by

457
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 7: Spike Lee to essentially just use that basketball scene and

458
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 7: then the sexy montage stuff that Black Tray mentioned earlier

459
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 7: about you know, the Aau type stuff like just going

460
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 7: left going right. Basically, you either just got a one

461
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 7: on one move or you got this one on one game.

462
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 7: In this movie, there wasn't a lot of basketball scene.

463
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 7: There wasn't a high school basketball scene where you kind

464
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 7: of just fell asleep, like okay, this guy is going

465
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 7: to pass it over here, you know it was it

466
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 7: was a good decision to just have very very limited

467
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 7: basketball and so I was totally into this scene. The

468
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 7: drive that Denzel scored on Jesus Jesus Round obviously just

469
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 7: let him score. He scored with his left hand on

470
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 7: the right side of the hoop, and it was like

471
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 7: a scoop shot, like he could have blocked it with

472
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 7: his forehead if he really wanted to, but he decided

473
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 7: to just let him score. But yeah, it was powerful.

474
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 7: I think what I didn't like about that scene going

475
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 7: into the endings Denzel gets cuffed up and is being

476
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 7: brought away and he says to him, Hey, the ball's

477
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 7: in your court now, type of type of thing. I mean,

478
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 7: basically like that's that's what he said it if it

479
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 7: wasn't literally something to that effect, and then the ball

480
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 7: gets tossed to him in the final scene. I'm a

481
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 7: man who loves stuff right on the nose, but even

482
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 7: that is a little too on the nose for me.

483
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 7: I mean that's just like but that scene, yeah, extremely

484
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 7: powerful and yeah, I hadn't seen it in so long.

485
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 7: I'd forgotten about the one on one scene, and I

486
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 7: think it trump's the Love and Basketball one on one

487
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 7: scene in the end. It was a little bit more

488
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 7: impactful than Monica and Omar App's going at it.

489
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's I think it's one of the

490
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: best one on one scenes we've seen on film for sure,

491
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: because it feels it does feel real. It's being shot

492
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: on this huge crane and they're talking trash, you know,

493
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: black tray. What do you think of Denel Denzel Washington's

494
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: jump shot? I mean, let's break this down. What do

495
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 3: you think of his release?

496
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 4: I didn't love his form, But again, I'm not a

497
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: shot doctor. I'm not you know what I mean. I'm

498
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 4: big on as long as it goes in. You know,

499
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 4: I don't even think my shot is even like the

500
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: most purest jump shot. I think Prey Allen and maybe

501
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: Ben Macklamore have like a uh uh and Bradley Bill

502
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 4: has like a beautiful form and in this scenario, like

503
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it went in. It was really

504
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 4: og Like I think about the y M c A

505
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: when I think when I see his jumper, but.

506
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: The older guys YEA, his whole.

507
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: Style like even me rewatching it and I was live

508
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: tweeted last night. I'm just like the fashion was just

509
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: kind of crazy, like for Denzel to wear two shirts

510
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: like one then another shirt under like is that to

511
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 4: catch the sweat? Like I don't, I don't know what

512
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: was going on. And then he had like the double

513
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: knee braces which maybe had bad knees or whatever, but

514
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: it was just an interesting look. Then Jesus actually wore

515
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: overall short set.

516
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: What a look that one was, right.

517
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 4: And I actually attempted that, and I overall short set

518
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: that was like oversized with the A shirt under and

519
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: some Timberland boots and I'm just like, I mean, I'm

520
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: I'm from Compton, California, So I look nuts doing it.

521
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it was a thing in New York City,

522
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 4: I don't know.

523
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, those gene overalls, those were so they were cut

524
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: low on ray there. I remember my buddy Griss trying

525
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: to rock the overalls in Strafford, Ontario for a summer,

526
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: but I don't remember being that low. It was more

527
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: the you had the one off right, like the one

528
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: untied or on one on clip to look.

529
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 7: But yeah, those were I thought rays were kind of

530
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 7: more fitted than you'd ever see it as set of overalls,

531
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 7: Like they weren't that baggy. And that's hard to do

532
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 7: for Ray Allen, who's you know, rail Thinn.

533
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the wardrobe person screwed up or something, you

534
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: know what.

535
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 7: I thought he looked pretty good. I thought he kind

536
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 7: of pulled off that overall.

537
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know, let's let's talk about the music, JD.

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm really interested to hear your take on this, with

539
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: your expertise in sound production and all that. What were

540
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: you shocked? Were you surprised with you know, American composer

541
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: Aaron Copeland.

542
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: I was surprised, yeah, considering he had been dead for

543
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: eight years the movie came out. But yeah, I thought

544
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: I when I first viewing, I always just sit blind

545
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: and I watch, not knowing anything. And then I was like, Wow,

546
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: is that hoedown during a basketball montage? I mean, is

547
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: this Aaron Copeland?

548
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 7: Really?

549
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean like, uh, So I went back and I

550
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: and I looked. I looked it up and and I

551
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: had I had a lot, a lot of problems with

552
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: the music in some of the scenes. I thought that

553
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: there were scenes that had that sort of pastoral Americana

554
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: under it, like when Jesus is talking to Mary in

555
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: her bedroom and there's music there and it's like, why

556
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: is music there? Or when Dakota and Jake meet for

557
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: the first time in her room and there's just this

558
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: NonStop it's almost like a drone and it's too much.

559
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: But I thought hodown worked great. I thought the opening

560
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: montage of the people playing basketball across America with the

561
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: most American sounding music of all time. I think that

562
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: that piece is called what is It? I wrote it

563
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: John Henry, and you know I dug a little deeper

564
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: in John Henry African American railway worker folk hero who

565
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: literally goes up against a machine, a literal machine digging

566
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: holes or he would pound a stake into the into

567
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the rock, and there was a steam engine that did

568
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, and they basically had a contest that

569
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: he went up against and he beat the machine, but

570
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: then he died. The effort of beating that machine ends

571
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: up killing him. Is that relevant to the story? I mean,

572
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: you can definitely glean some meaning out of it. I mean,

573
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: Jesus is going up against the NCAA machine and he

574
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: beats it. In the end, I guess, will it kill him?

575
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: Well?

576
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: Probably not. But I think Spike said basically, when I

577
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: think of Aaron Copeland, I think of America, and that's

578
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: what this story is about. America and American basketball and

579
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition of that sort of you know, cowboy dancing

580
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: hoedown music with the with the inner city basketball being played.

581
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. It worked awesome, and at

582
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: the end, as you said, pointed out skeets the final

583
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: one on one.

584
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: The music was so good.

585
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: So for that it was just you're just I don't

586
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: know if they well, they obviously edited that way. I

587
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: don't know if they planned it that way, but but

588
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: just it's like riding the roller coaster of Jake's emotion

589
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: that whole time, and and I love that part of it.

590
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then of course we get the Public Enemy

591
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: songs and I think there's a charras One song in

592
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: the in this movie as well, Black Trade. What'd you

593
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: think of the music overall?

594
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: I mean, look, respect to the legends. Kras One is

595
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: kind of like me hearing that. I don't know, you know,

596
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: Public Enemy, I respect all those legends. It just was

597
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: beyond me because I think at that time I was

598
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: probably like jay z DMX, so it's kind of hard

599
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: to go up against it. This is a different style.

600
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: But I also do understand, like those are spikes guys,

601
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: so he's gonna plug him for sure, and he's kind

602
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: of he's kind of loyal to his core, so I

603
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: get it. I mean, I don't I don't really kind

604
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: of fired up on that. I mean, I think the

605
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: only association to this movie that I really got from

606
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: like hip hop is maybe Joe Sensanna doing what's the

607
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: game been missing? And it has that done done and

608
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: then it wasn't gonna beat and I was just like, Oh,

609
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: that's he got game. But anything else I already associate

610
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: with the you know, but I you know, I guess

611
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't watch that video. Actually I tried to watch

612
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: it last night too, like the public where has Jesus

613
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: shows were palming the ball in the video and stuff.

614
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: I'm just like, nah, I can't, I can't.

615
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: I started this movie, like you said, Jad, that first

616
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: scene where we see, you know, all walks of life

617
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: in America playing basketball and we have that crazy I

618
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: guess it is that John Henry composition from Aaron Copland.

619
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: So that's on and Nora's in the other room, so

620
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: I fired up this movie and she's like, what old

621
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: timey horror flick are you watching? Because it is haunting

622
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: and it sounds old and it's it is weird. It

623
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: is jarring, but it does work. I really liked all

624
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: the music in this movie, to be honest, watching it

625
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: as an older guy. I thought it was pretty cool.

626
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: Task White Tray opinions on the music hate it, liked it.

627
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 6: I thought it was some of the choices were odd,

628
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 6: like trees say, and you would expect to hear Jay

629
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: Z and DMX in a basketball movie in nineteen ninety eight,

630
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: no doubt about it.

631
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: But I also thought it was so effective.

632
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 6: I think, you know, like you guys are saying the

633
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 6: opening credits, you watch that, the music is perfect, and

634
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 6: you want to go play basketball afterwards. The last one

635
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 6: on one scene is perfect. And I even think the

636
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 6: middle one on one scene where we ultimately see Jake

637
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 6: kill Jesus's mother, I think the music is so great

638
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 6: in that too, because they're just playing basketball, you know,

639
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 6: they're having an intense one on one game, and then

640
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: the music and Denzel changed just like a tiny little

641
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 6: bit right, just like five percent different, and suddenly Denzel

642
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: is very scary, and I think that's just the way

643
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: he was acting and the music with it.

644
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: I thought it was perfect.

645
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 6: You went from a dad and a son having fun

646
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: playing basketball to the worst night of both of these guys'

647
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: lives just like that, and I thought that was that

648
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 6: was awesome.

649
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does a great job telegraphing what's about to happen.

650
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: Is just filled with and we haven't even gone back

651
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: to the apartment yet, you know what I mean, we

652
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: know and Jesus has his breakdown, and I wish that

653
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: they had shown Jake was really scary that night. I

654
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: think that they were trying to say that he was drunk,

655
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: and I wish he seemed a little drunker than he was.

656
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: And the I feel like a pardon the punt, pulled

657
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: the punch a little bit when the murder scene happens,

658
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: because it just comes off as just a horrific accident,

659
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: like it's there's no intent to kill, yeah, right, So

660
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: it was just like there's another scene later in the

661
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: movie that I thought would have been a little better beforehand,

662
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: where Jake confronts La La and then he ends up

663
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of DeAndre and he is terrifying

664
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in that scene, and it's so powerful, and I wish

665
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: we had seen that Jake before we saw the mother

666
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: getting murdered scene, only because it could it could still

667
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: play out the way it played out, but we know

668
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: that there is definitely a temper on Jake and a

669
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: violent side to Jake, and he's he can be a

670
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: really scary guy. And I don't think that we really

671
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: saw that until the DeAndre getting beaten up scene.

672
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: Right, So then you're left going, I mean, you get it,

673
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: You're like, damn, he did accidentally kill your mom. But

674
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: you're like, Jesus, come on, like is he that bad

675
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: a guy? I know he's hard on you, and I'm

676
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: with you that I did struggle with that. Watching this again,

677
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, like from all we're seeing, you

678
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: hate him, man, you hate him this much really, Like

679
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: he does seem like he's he's a hard ass. I

680
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: get that, but he seems like a loving father and

681
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: you've got your family there and they seem in love.

682
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: Like what we're what we're getting? Yeah, I don't know,

683
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: Black Trade, did you also feel that way or no?

684
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: M not really.

685
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 7: I mean the guy he's also gone for the majority

686
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 7: of his you know, all his teenage years too.

687
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just you know, that whole absence and

688
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: stuff like that is just it's a gap. It's a gap.

689
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I mean, you got Uncle

690
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: Bubba two who hasn't been mentioned, who reminds me of

691
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: a current father in the NBA. Yeah, I don't let

692
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: the listeners figure that one out. But yeah, he just

693
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, so.

694
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: Just because he's not there, I mean because of an

695
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: accident again and unfortunately the timing of that night where

696
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: he's hates his father and he's done with basketball and

697
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: then the death of his mother again an accident. This

698
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: this works well enough that there would be this very

699
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: very distant and uh, you know, untrusting relationship. I guess

700
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: is what you're saying, like we're all is what you're

701
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 3: at least getting from the movie.

702
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean because because when you're young, the narrative

703
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: is pushed wrong. You know, you never know, and obviously

704
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 4: is uncle stepped in before you know, probably AAU or

705
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: Boosters came in and said, here, Jesus, you know, we're

706
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: just helping you. And normally in certain communities they're like, yeah,

707
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take all the help I can get. But

708
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: what's the catch. And there was no catch until he

709
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: actually found out, you know, Uncle Bob was driving this

710
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: new car and all that stuff.

711
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: But well, because he does, Bubba does ask Jesus to

712
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I want to wet my big like he literally says

713
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: to him, I want you to pay me for all

714
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: everything that I've done so far before the car happens, right,

715
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean.

716
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that you know, Bubba and his

717
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: wife pushed the narrative that you know, Jake is a

718
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: bad man. He did some bad stuff and you should

719
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 4: look at him as you know, this this evil person.

720
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: So when he you know, obviously the daughter has a

721
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: different sentiment towards Jake because she knows that he didn't

722
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 4: she was too either too young to kind of think

723
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: that through, or you know, she just has an undying

724
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: love for him. But you know, with Jesus, it's like, man,

725
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: I've been without you. I don't need you. I've been

726
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: kind of fine. I'm taking care of my sister. We

727
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: got a place to live. You know, I'm making sure

728
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: that she's good. She's going to be good because obviously

729
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna make it to the NBA and things

730
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: of that nature. So yeah, like, don't try to come around.

731
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: And obviously in his situation, he's dealing with tons of

732
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: trust issues too as well. You know, you got his

733
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: girlfriend sneaking out with DeAndre, who's a family friend. You

734
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: got Dom pag Naddi, you know, uh, you got the

735
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: high school coach. You know, I think the only solid

736
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: person was Booger.

737
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's come across that.

738
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have a problem. I don't have

739
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: a problem with anything you just said. But as an

740
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: audience member, you meet Denzel in prison, he's Denzel Washington.

741
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: He's a super charismatic guy. He seems like a good guy,

742
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: and we're not seeing this bad side of him, this

743
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: potentially dangerous side of him, until after we see the

744
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: murder scene and the murders. You know, the aunt Sally

745
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: and uncle Baba. Sure they weren't there that all they

746
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: know is that that Jake killed her sister and his

747
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: sister in law. But but I felt like we needed

748
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: to see Denzel Jake be scary earlier, you know what

749
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. That's the only criticism I have

750
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: in that department.

751
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: But be honest, JD, in watching it for the first time,

752
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: did you think that Jake had shot somebody. Let's say,

753
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: when we find out that he's in prison because he

754
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: killed somebody, we don't know who he killed, right or

755
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: how it happened.

756
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I didn't know. I thought it was serious

757
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: for sure. Whatever he did and then they just sort

758
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: of mention it. I thought the way that it unfolded,

759
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: the way we find out what happened is pretty is

760
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: pretty good actually because it just comes up casually in

761
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: conversation almost it's just like, well, yeah, you know, I

762
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: killed your mother, you know, and it's just like what why?

763
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: You know? And uh and then the we.

764
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Of course find out the circumstances behind it, and it's

765
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: sort of not it's a it's an accident, but but

766
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: still he is responsible. He did push her, but yeah,

767
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: it's it did seem like like it was a more

768
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: serious charge than than than we thought.

769
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: So task besides Denzel's Jake, who is I mean is

770
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: incredible in this Who's your favorite sort of character in

771
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: this movie? From the secondary the tertiary characters? Is is

772
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: it Big Time Willie? Is it Uncle Bubba? Somebody else?

773
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

774
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 7: I loved Uncle Bubba. I thought he was He was great.

775
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 7: Definitely look a lot like Eddie Murphy in Uh, what

776
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 7: the hell is the movie called It's not where he

777
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 7: played every single character. Yeah, he looked like Eddie Murphy.

778
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 7: He there was an Eddie Murphy vibe there. Maybe it's

779
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 7: the glasses, but he was he was incredible. I thought

780
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 7: he uh yeah, he was. He was force full and

781
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 7: he was he was he was asking for what he

782
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 7: wanted and he was pretty pumped about that. Lexus and uh,

783
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 7: you know, I wasn't a fan of you know, some

784
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 7: some of those Spike Lee shots. We got some crazy

785
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 7: shots of like tight Uncle Bubba's mouth and he was

786
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 7: talking and that, like what are you doing? Let's get

787
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 7: off that mouth. We had a double head like there

788
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 7: was a poetry reading happening. There was a spinning camera

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 7: when Denzel was sick. But yeah, Uncle Bubba, I think

790
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 7: you know a lot of a lot of great characters.

791
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: Even Gotti, the the Italian agent. I guess he was

792
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 7: in his uh oh, he had had his little tendencies.

793
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 6: I was forget about it, silver, forget about it, platinum diamonds.

794
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: That's like speed and power in the NBA. You can

795
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 5: tell this guy knows basketball.

796
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: Was that guy an actor or was that guy a

797
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: real agent? What Nora was convinced. She's like, there's no

798
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: way that guy's an actor. He's a real agent. That

799
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: they said, hey, just say agent d things here. I

800
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: don't know what about you Black Trade. You have like

801
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: a secondary character in this movie that you really liked

802
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: Sim Rogers.

803
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sim Rogers man, I just I was. I was

804
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 4: all about Sim Rogers. Man. I can't wait if there,

805
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: if there was a sequel, I would love to know

806
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: what Sim Rogers happened. What happened with Sim Rogers. I

807
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: wanted to know. I wanted him to make it.

808
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 7: He was next up.

809
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: And to answer your question, Don Pagnatty was a fictional character.

810
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: He also was used in NBA t U k Uh in.

811
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: That storyline, same actor.

812
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: Uh. But yeah, you know there's tons of agents like that,

813
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, probably the one that work with

814
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: Lenny Cook. But I don't know.

815
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you JD character? Secondary character?

816
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Like, uh wow, I kind of hated all the secondary characters.

817
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: I liked Rick Fox playing Rick Fox. I guess I

818
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: liked Lala.

819
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

820
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: She's good, Uh, a little one dimensional. I think all

821
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: the women in this movie are pretty one dimensional. A

822
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: lot of the secondary character characters are just sort of, Hey,

823
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: get Central Casting on the phone. We need a we

824
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: need a sports agent. Oh no sports agents, Okay, send

825
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: me a used car salesman.

826
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, but.

827
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if if if Jake is the main character.

828
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: Then Jesus is my favorite other character, because again, I

829
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: really loved the relationship between the two of them. My

830
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: favorite scene of the whole thing is when when Jake

831
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: is telling, uh, Jesus, where the name Jesus came from?

832
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: From? What's it who earl the pearl?

833
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: Right?

834
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I just I love that reveal. And then I love

835
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: that the very next scene is tech you and they

836
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: put up all the religious imagery in the sizzle reel,

837
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: and it's just like, Eh, it's not that Jesus, guys,

838
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: it's and it just it's it's a very powerful way

839
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: to cheapen all of that, you know, to make that

840
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: whole pitch to Jesus feel super cheap and superficial, you know.

841
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: And uh so, yeah, that's what I liked.

842
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: Wait, Trey, what about you?

843
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 5: For a secondary character who I would like? I would?

844
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I agree with jd. You know, who really

845
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 6: is the lead in this movie? Is it Denzel or is.

846
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 5: It ray Allen?

847
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 6: Because it's it's a real toss up between those. I

848
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 6: also thought Jim Brown was pretty good. Yes, he's a

849
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 6: officer speaking of athletes.

850
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.

851
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: Pretty cool to see him in that role. I love

852
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 6: the scene where him and the other the other parle

853
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 6: officer come to visit Jake in his in his hot

854
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 6: telling he's making grilled Jesus with an ironing board and

855
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: an iron and I just thought that was great. I

856
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 6: think for if you're talking about professional act athletes, were actors.

857
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 6: Jim Brown he kills it in this He's effective every

858
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 6: single time.

859
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to spin off movie of just him

860
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: and Crude Up. I would watch the hell out of that.

861
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: I love those two guys together. I love them in

862
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: every season. They're so good. All right, let's get to

863
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: some random observations. I got a first one. It's a

864
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: very important question. I'll start with you, Black Tray. What's

865
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: worse to shoot on double rims or a net with

866
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 3: no mesh? We see both of them in this movie.

867
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: Can I say yes? Double room for me? I've always

868
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: grew up shooting on like no net. It just kind

869
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: of just tears away and no one replaces him. But

870
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: double lie, man. I did everything I possibly could do

871
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: for this shot to go in, and somehow it's still rattles.

872
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 4: So you believe that's Steph Curry and his brother grew

873
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: up shooting on net and that's how they got good

874
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: at shooting.

875
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: It really helps with your arc out shooting on a

876
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: double rim, you got to get that thing perfect for

877
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: it to drop. Okay, I want someone to clarify something

878
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: for me. Maybe I missed it. I might be an idiot.

879
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: Why did Jake get sick in the car? If I

880
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: thought he was I thought he was faking it getting sick.

881
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: Did I miss something? Or was like, did he actually

882
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: get sick because he just ate too much prison food?

883
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Like I guess that makes sense.

884
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 5: I thought they gave him something to make him sick.

885
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: Get out of the h Okay.

886
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: The warden says something like, uh, it's not that I

887
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: don't trust your acting ability, but we have to make

888
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: this convincing.

889
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that's on me though. That makes a little

890
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: more sense.

891
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: But no, but it's it is confusing, and it's like that,

892
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: it's it's so quick cut and we see him in

893
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: the in the in the dining area just wolfing down

894
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: this food and then he's you know, all of a sudden,

895
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: it's just there's a lot happening all at once. And yeah,

896
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: I didn't notice, and I had the same question. And

897
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: then I went back and watched it again.

898
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: It was like, Wow, he's really committed to this bit.

899
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: He's like legit making himself puke in the car. It's like,

900
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: I think you're good, You're out of jail man. But okay,

901
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: that makes a little more sense. Can we talk about

902
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: the font in he got game with those credits. I

903
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: know it's the late nineties, maybe that was cool, but

904
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 3: that font that might be my least favorite thing about

905
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: this movie. I hated it. Maybe I'm alone, I don't know.

906
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: White Yeah, I'm going back looking at the font now.

907
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: It's brutal, not my favorite.

908
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 6: Not my favorite font, but you know, I guess they

909
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 6: were trying to go for something a little more hand drawn.

910
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, it looks it looks weird though.

911
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: Another one a scene I did not remember watching this

912
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: as a kid, and I get it. It is powerful,

913
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 3: it's emotional, but it also a little weird. The scene

914
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: where Jake is making out with his dead wife's tombstone. Yeah, wow,

915
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: I had forgotten about that scene. It is you don't

916
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: see that often. But you know, again again it's supposed

917
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: to be. Of course, he's missing her and stuff like that,

918
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: and dropping the flowers and stuff like that. But he

919
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: like legit, like makes out with the tombstone. There, we'll

920
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: get that cool crane shot. The other thing I have.

921
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: Maybe you guys have random observations. Did you see Spike

922
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: trolling the Bulls with the newspaper headline near the end

923
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: of the movie where it says Jordan held to ten

924
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: points and I assume it's against the Knicks, And you know,

925
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: I had to hit Basketball Reference. I had to check

926
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: MJ only scored ten points or less. Well, I'll make

927
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: it a trivia question. How many times did he did

928
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: MJ score ten points or less as a Bulls player

929
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: not his wizard's ears. What would you guess? Fifteen black

930
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: tray an He guesses, uh, nine tasks.

931
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I gotta go low just because just because it's Michael.

932
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 7: I'll go six.

933
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: Keep going lower, guys. MJ only scored ten points or

934
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: less as a Chicago Bulls player twice man twice in

935
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: his career. And yeah, he did it a lot. I

936
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: think he did it eighteen times as a Wizards player. Unfortunately,

937
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: but we don't we know that doesn't didn't so yeah,

938
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: never against the Knicks. He scored ten against the Hawks

939
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: in March of ninety seven, and he scored just eight

940
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: against the Cavs in eighty six, only sixteen minutes. Plate.

941
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: He may got injured in that one, but anyway, Yeah,

942
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: that was that was Spike. I think troll in there.

943
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: Any other random observations or questions or anything else you

944
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: guys wanted to bring up about this movie.

945
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 6: It's awesome when Jake goes to buy a pair of

946
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 6: Jordan's and he's amazed that they're one hundred and fifty dollars.

947
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 6: That like, his mind is blown that they could cost

948
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 6: us much that same pair of shoes. It's one hundred

949
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 6: and ninety. Now, Jake, you're gonna have to ask.

950
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 5: The parole officers for a little bit more.

951
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 7: And yeah, Danielle was actually watching that scene. She said,

952
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 7: one hundred and forty bucks. At that time, it was

953
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 7: a lot, Like no, actually it was a lot. But

954
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 7: a couple of years later everybody was popping off two

955
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 7: hundred dollars shoes. Vince Carter's were two hundred bucks. One

956
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: hundred and forty was actually, you know, not crazy.

957
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'd love to be able to get him

958
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 6: for one hundred and forty. Now there's no Chubbs in

959
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: this movie, unfortunately, we do, of course, get a booger.

960
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 6: It brings me to the question, would you rather be

961
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 6: named Booger or Jesus?

962
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? I had that in my notes too. Jesus is

963
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: worried about his perceived biblical name and his damn cousin

964
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: is called Booger. You're like, man, you got pretty easy man.

965
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Not to be fair, Jesus is his given name, Booger

966
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: is Yeah, true. Uncle Bubba did not name his son Booger.

967
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: I hope maybe maybe he did. Yeah, that's a good point.

968
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: It's a good point, oh, Jesus, I'd rather be named Jesus. Yeah,

969
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: for sure, Booger. I mean it doesn't, young Jesus point

970
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: outs because you eat all your boogers.

971
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

972
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 6: We also had a great run for nineteen ninety eight

973
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 6: sports center. He got game obviously has the fake nineteen

974
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 6: ninety eight sports center, but the Last Dance has a

975
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 6: fake nineteen ninety eight sports center and a real nineteen

976
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 6: ninety eight sports center. Thought it was very funny to

977
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 6: see George Carl in that montage of people talking about Jesus.

978
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 5: Because George Carl actually did get the coach him later, Yeah.

979
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 7: He was coach right right, right right.

980
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, what'd you think that? Uh,

981
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: the little ESPN piece there, black tray where we get

982
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: all the college coaches, we get some NBA guys, what

983
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: shacks in there? And I think Miller's in there and

984
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: maybe Jordan's. I guess what do you think of that?

985
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 4: I thought it was cool. I mean it showed some

986
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: you know, transparency, like it's kind of like it's kind

987
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 4: of real, you know what I mean. And and then also,

988
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: you know, we actually got a taste of it in

989
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 4: real life with the nickname era when the Jesus Shuttles

990
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: were for Miami Heat jerseys, right right, So that was

991
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: actually a cool experience to kind of like try to

992
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: translate it into something real, you know what I mean.

993
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: And everybody kind of hyping up this kid because at

994
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 4: that time it really was pre internet, and we'll not

995
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: pre internet. We had Internet, but the rankings and exposure

996
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: was just kind of slim to none. You had to

997
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 4: actually go and watch these kids. So here quote unquote

998
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: ESPN talking about a Jesus Shuttles were probably one of

999
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: the wildest names at that time. To be doing this

1000
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: thing out of Coney Island. You know, it's pretty cool.

1001
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then like, not only the ESPN piece, but

1002
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: we see like the Sports Illustrated cover and we see

1003
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: the Slam cover. Yeah, I did like that decision that

1004
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: to really obviously, Yeah, make it as realistic as possible.

1005
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 6: How insane is that Sports Illustrated cover if you really

1006
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 6: think about it. They're putting a high school kid seventeen

1007
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 6: eighteen years old on across with a crown of.

1008
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: Thorns on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

1009
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: Pretty extreme, Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Anything else, guys,

1010
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, before we'll get to grading this movie, so

1011
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: don't worry about that yet. But any other random observations

1012
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: or questions or stuff like that.

1013
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: I want to know why Dakota is in the movie?

1014
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is she there?

1015
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. And so I'm just asking

1016
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: the hooker with a heart of gold that may as

1017
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: well have turned to the camera and say, I don't

1018
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: do drugs, I'm clean, right, Well.

1019
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: Why what's the point of all that?

1020
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: I understand, Like, Okay, it was nice he made a

1021
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: connection with her, I guess, and you know, spent the

1022
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: night with her, and that's nice and stuff, But I

1023
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: don't understand why she was there made the movie way longer.

1024
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the movie is long. The movie is long.

1025
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 7: It was long. It was long, and it was and

1026
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 7: there was premature ejaculation as well.

1027
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, that was that was That was kind of

1028
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: wild going through that. But I did like and sorry

1029
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: to like, I guess jump in on this one, but

1030
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: I did like, uh, Dakota's pimp and him and Jake

1031
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 4: having the stare off. Yeah, that line is one of

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: the I still say that to my friends, like, dang,

1033
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 4: you you know me, Patna, You're looking at all that familiarity.

1034
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm just like, yo, this is the greatest thing ever.

1035
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: Like they had so many like funny one liners like

1036
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 4: when he threw the when Jesus threw the ball and

1037
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: he's telling his boy that's watching him play one on one,

1038
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: that's why he ain't gonna make it. I say that

1039
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 4: all the time too. It's just funny random lines like

1040
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: I'll be watching college basketball and a player makes a play.

1041
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: I'll be like, that's why he ain't gonna make it.

1042
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 6: But I.

1043
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: The most powerful lines is gonna sound maybe a little weird.

1044
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: I love and I think it's only because Denzel can

1045
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 3: deliver it like this for some reason, it gets me

1046
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: every time I watch it when he just says hello

1047
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: son to him for the first time, Holy crap, two words,

1048
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: and Denzel Washington can just like damn, just take the

1049
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: win right out of you, knock it right out of you.

1050
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 7: I love it.

1051
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: I don't know why how he says it. It's just

1052
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 3: so perfectly uh, you know, delivered.

1053
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 7: I love a badass Denzel, So that's why I love

1054
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 7: the When he does end that scene there the first

1055
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 7: time he talks to to Ray, Ray walks off, is

1056
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 7: pissed off, and Denzel throws the ball up like fifteen

1057
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 7: feet ahead of him and it tosses it up. It's

1058
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 7: a lob and he walks into it. On the second bounce,

1059
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 7: it just hits him right in the hip. And yeah,

1060
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 7: corral it just like that because he's badass denzelos.

1061
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1062
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: How many takes did that take? Or was that just

1063
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: like magic right there on one take? I know exactly

1064
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: the part you're talking about, Like, damn, that was cool.

1065
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Does he throw it up or does he bounce it

1066
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: for like a Is it like an angry bounce?

1067
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1068
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is an angry bounce. You're right, Yeah, you're right.

1069
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 7: You're right, and then he walks into it. You're right,

1070
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 7: all right?

1071
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: Before we graad this movie, a quick word from our sponsors.

1072
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,720
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1073
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 7: married on this planet deserves a better experience when it

1074
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 7: comes to finding formal wear, a suit or tuxedo for

1075
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 7: their big day. Did you know the Black Tucks was

1076
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 7: actually started by two guys who had one of the

1077
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,839
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Speaker 3: All right, guys. Critics score on Rotten Tomatoes eighty one

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Speaker 3: percent pretty good, pretty good. Audience score based off of

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Speaker 3: nearly forty five thousand user ratings, so a whole lot

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Speaker 3: eighty three percent. Critics and the audience both agree this

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Speaker 3: is a you know, really an a movie. Here. Roger Ebert,

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Speaker 3: he did say he Got Game is Lee's best film

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Speaker 3: since Malcolm X. But there are a lot of people

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Speaker 3: that you know, and going through some of the reviews

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Speaker 3: that did not like this movie at all, it did

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00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: it didn't work for them for whatever reason. A lot

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: of criticisms I saw were like the idea that it

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Speaker 3: was too long, and a big part of that and

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Speaker 3: maybe this is what you were talking about JD. There's

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Speaker 3: almost enough material here, it feels like for two films,

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Speaker 3: and Spike Lee is deciding to make them both simultaneously.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of that, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: that results in sort of a scattershot film for for

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Speaker 3: some people. But let's break it down what we think.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start with tasks. We'll get you start

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Speaker 3: us off. How do you want to grade this? What's

1142
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 3: your scale? What do you think?

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Speaker 7: I liked the movie a lot. I think of everything

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00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 7: we watched here through our film sessions, this one was

1145
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 7: able to be carried by drama, and of course Denzel

1146
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 7: plays a huge part in that and being able to

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 7: carry it. But there's such little basketball. There is just

1148
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 7: the sexy one on one moves in that montage, some

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00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 7: street ball play and the one on one game at

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 7: the end, no team play whatsoever. And I was I was.

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Speaker 7: I was into it because it was really was the

1152
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 7: relationship between between Jake and re Allen's care. So I

1153
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 7: was very much into it. Of course, there's there's a

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Speaker 7: ton of holes in the plot. There's there's no doubt.

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Speaker 7: But when when you look through the archive that we

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Speaker 7: watched and Eddie and Above Room and Teenwolf, The Way

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 7: Back Love and Basketball Airbud Coach Carter white Man Can't

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Speaker 7: Jump On Cut Gems is a different category because it's

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Speaker 7: not a basketball movie whatsoever. I thought it was the

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Speaker 7: best movie we've watched, and I was into it very much.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I'll I'll go a nice, nice eight

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Speaker 7: out of ten, and let's throw on some some overalls.

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Speaker 7: Eight out of ten sets of overalls for me, and yeah,

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Speaker 7: we'll drop the button off off all those eight. So

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Speaker 7: just a single button overall eight out of ten.

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Speaker 3: All right, White Trail, would you think I'm right there

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Speaker 3: with tasks.

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Speaker 5: I loved He Got Game in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 6: I had He Got Game poster on my wall all

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Speaker 6: through high school, and I'm not ashamed that I had

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Speaker 6: it up now that I've watched again as a grown man,

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Speaker 6: And you know, I think I would rather have somebody

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Speaker 6: be an actor, be okay at acting and very good

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Speaker 6: at basketball than the other way around. Like I think,

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Speaker 6: if you try to do this with you know, Michael J. Fox,

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00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 6: he can barely play basketball, but he's an actor, I

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Speaker 6: think it's a much different movie.

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Speaker 4: To me.

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Speaker 6: The best acting of the movie that that Jesus Ray

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Speaker 6: Allen does at all is in that final one on

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Speaker 6: one game to not break character when Denzel Washington is

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00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 6: unexpectedly scoring on you, I think that's actually impressive, right,

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Speaker 6: Like if you were gonna go and you're like, Okay,

1184
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna beat you fifteen to zero, and then he

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Speaker 6: goes out and scores five baskets and you're actually playing

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Speaker 6: against each other. Ray doesn't break, Denzel doesn't break, Like,

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Speaker 6: how is Denzel not?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: I just scored on an NBA player. I really did it.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was amazing.

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Speaker 6: So I'm with Tass, I'm with the critics. I'm giving

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Speaker 6: this eight this is the biggest decision of your life's

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Speaker 6: out of ten.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nice? All right, JD you go next? What do you got?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I I enjoyed it more than I thought

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Speaker 1: I would. I like anything that makes me think and

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Speaker 1: makes me want to read more about something. I loved

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Copland music half of the time that it

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Speaker 1: was playing. I didn't mind the Public Enemy stuff. But

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Speaker 1: I'm an old guy, so there you go. I did

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Speaker 1: find a lot of the characters one dimensional, but but

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Speaker 1: ultimately I liked it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: There, Spike Lee likes to likes to pontificate, and he

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Speaker 1: likes to preach a little. And I found although I

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Speaker 1: did love the Big Time speech, I did hate all

1209
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Speaker 1: the cutaways when he's talking about you know you're gonna

1210
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Speaker 1: you gotta watch out for the crack and we cut

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Speaker 1: to a crackhouse, and then we go and and an

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Speaker 1: opium den and watch out for alcohol or is it gambling?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: And then it's just like the most extreme situation each time,

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: and and that just that kind of bugs me and

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: takes me out of it. But again, I loved You

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Speaker 1: have to love Denzel Washington. He's just he is h

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Speaker 1: one of the most electrifying actors on screen, and and

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Speaker 1: I just love watching him. And I thought Ray Allen

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Speaker 1: was decent. I thought he held his own. Uh so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this. This is a recommendation. Uh it's

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Speaker 1: it's six out of ten Nathan's hot Dogs out at

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Speaker 1: Code Amends.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know.

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Speaker 5: It's good.

1226
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: You liked it. I liked it.

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Speaker 5: I liked it enough.

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Speaker 3: All right. Our guest here today on film session Black Trade,

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Speaker 3: would you think.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna go seven point five?

1231
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: Okay, had some some.

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Speaker 4: Bright spots again, Ray Allen's acting sore for side Eyes,

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Speaker 4: you know, the prostitute. What else wasn't needy? Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: just mean the ending, the whole ball, tosting to catch

1235
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Speaker 4: in the guard, you know what I mean, wherever he

1236
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Speaker 4: was working out Big State. Just just you know, reviewing

1237
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Speaker 4: some of them, things like a lot of stuff wasn't needed,

1238
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Speaker 4: you know, But overall, I mean, it's a part of

1239
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Speaker 4: my childhood, and you know, I do like I took

1240
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: some positives from it and then uh, you know, it

1241
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 4: kind of outweighed the negatives, so you know, overalls, to

1242
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Speaker 4: you know, if I was to tell somebody to watch

1243
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 4: this movie, I'd definitely tell them to watch it. But

1244
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not in my top top through top

1245
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Speaker 4: five movies basketball movies ever.

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Speaker 3: Mm yeah, because you do see, well that's interesting because

1247
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Speaker 3: you do see some people say this is the best

1248
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Speaker 3: basketball movie. Yeah you disagree with that. Yeah, okay, that's fair.

1249
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Speaker 3: I'll finish it off here. I'm on the same page

1250
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: as you guys. I think this is a powerful movie. Uh,

1251
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Speaker 3: even if it is uneven, there's no doubt it's damn

1252
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: it's too long. I mean, take takes thirty minutes off

1253
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: this thing, and I think it's much much better. Like

1254
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Speaker 3: you guys were saying, I I like the cinematography. I

1255
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Speaker 3: actually disagree with you JD. I like when Spike sort

1256
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Speaker 3: of does that, you know, someone's talking about doing drugs

1257
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: and we see of, you know, a scene about it.

1258
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Speaker 3: I sort of like how that's edited at times.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not saying I don't like it the way

1260
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: it's edited. I just don't like what they're cutting to sure,

1261
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Speaker 1: I think it's just a sledgehammo over my head.

1262
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that is a Spike thing at times for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure, Yeah, absolutely, yea. But the style of it,

1264
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Speaker 1: I'm all in on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought the editing is great. The cinematography is

1266
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Speaker 3: pretty cool, beautiful at times. I love the score. As

1267
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: we talked about, I thought it was jarring at times,

1268
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: been in a good way. It works. Denzel is Denzel

1269
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Speaker 3: ray Allen's good enough. I'm giving it. I'll go eight

1270
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Speaker 3: out of ten. Accidentally banked in Denzel Washington numbers because

1271
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: that's those things where prayers dropping. But so overall we

1272
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: like it. Maybe not the greatest basketball movie of all time,

1273
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: but we're high on it. What do you guys think?

1274
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Speaker 3: Let us know on Twitter at No Dunk's Inc. Trey

1275
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Speaker 3: black Tray, thank you, thank so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: And as I said, you're on the Here's the Deer

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Speaker 3: podcast Bucks podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for your daily Dean for the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: Nice, nice, nice. We'll keep up the great work. We're

1284
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Speaker 3: big fans. Really appreciate you coming on. Get your questions

1285
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Speaker 3: and comments in guys for beach stepping next week. No

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Speaker 5: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 5: Love you guys, awesome.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for joining us. And this is usually when I

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Speaker 7: recite a quote from the movie but Black Tray, I

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Speaker 7: love the way you recited that Pimp and Denzel line

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Speaker 7: from the Hallway. Do you mind giving it to us again?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Brother?

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Speaker 4: Do you do you know me or something? You staring

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Speaker 4: at me at my lady like you got some for

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Speaker 4: Melli Everything with

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Speaker 3: Embrace the day people