1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: I had a sense of how much other musicians respect 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: to them, but the extent of it, I don't think 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: I realized, you know, so many of these you know, 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: people from household name bands. When I reached out and like, hey, 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: would you be, they were just like absolutely, like I 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: love Red Cross and and you know the you know, 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: there are people I didn't even get to, but you know, 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: Dave Davies from The Kinks is like a fan. I mean, 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: it just goes pretty wide, and I'm still discovering people 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: that I had no idea were Red Cross fans. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. Thanks for checking 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: out the podcast, and check out the Music Save Me podcast, 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: produced by Buzznight Media Productions and hosted by Lynn Hoffman. Today, 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: buzz Night speaks with Andrew Reich, the director behind the 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: documentary Born Innocent, The Red Cross Story. If you missed 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: Jeffrey and Stephen McDonald on our previous episode of this post, 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: to check that one out, there really something. Andrew is 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: no stranger to the entertainment world, having made his mark 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: as an emming winning television writer and executive producer for 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the hit show Friends. Here's Andrew Reich with buzznight on 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: taking a Walk. 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, thanks for being on Taking a Walk. It's 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: really a pleasure to. 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: Have you on. Oh I'm so, I'm so excited to 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 4: be here. Thanks buzz. 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: So it is called taking a walk, as you know, 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: and I do want to ask you the question, which 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: is if you could take a walk with anybody living 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: or dead, doesn't have to be a music figure, but 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: it could be who would you like it to be 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: and where would you take that walk? 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I cheated a little bit because 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: I listened to the episode you did with Think of 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: Jeff and Ce from Red Cross, So I knew this 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: question was coming. 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: And I was like thinking about it, and I'm going 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, David Bowie or like Iggy Pop. 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: I always had this feeling like that I would get 40 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: along with Iggy, like if we ever could meet, like 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: I felt like I feel like we would, you know. 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: And then this is and then I was really thinking 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: about it because and this is gonna seem like such 44 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: a sort of lamem in a way. But but like 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: walking through Hollywood with Jeff and Steve McDonald and hearing 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: them just tell me stories about all the stuff that 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: used to be there and the like the crazy adventures 48 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: they got into, like on every block of Hollywood Boulevard 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: and that I'm like, I think as much time as 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: I've spent with them, that would probably be the best. 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: That'd probably the most fun fun walk I could take, 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: because there's an infinite number of stories those guys have. 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: And uh, and. 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: It's funny because I was like, well, I could make 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 2: that happen like that, you know, walking walking with David 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: Bowie through London or whatever is impossible, but and as 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: cool as that would be, or with Iggy through you know, 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: Detroit or something like, it might just be walking through 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: Hollywood with Jeff and Steve McDonald. 60 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: Oh. I think it'd be great. I would absolutely love it. 61 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: And you know, one of the great things about them 62 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: is the rabbit holes that conversations go down with them. 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: It's just it's incredible. It's so much fun. 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, infinite, infinite rabbit holes to go down. 65 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: So tell me how you got inspired to make your 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: directorial debut. 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 68 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: It is your director's correct debut with Born Innocent The 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: Red Cross Story. 70 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 4: You know, it was never a. 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: Goal of mine to make a documentary. It was never 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: an aspiration or anything. It really was just, you know, 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: been a fan of Red Cross since I was in 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: high school, since nineteen eighty four, which was, you know, 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: the first time I really heard them, which was their 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: teen Babes from Monsanto EP, which I got because I 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: was like this punk rock kid in New Jersey who 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: had become a DJ on my public high school radio station, 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: which a friend the other like punk kid in my school, 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: and I did really just so we could get free records. 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: We thought like, hey, you know, we get our FCC licenses, 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: we get this radio show, we can like get the 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: letterhead and we can write to these little record labels 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: and maybe they'll send us free records. And it worked 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: like so well, and then Teen Babes just came in 86 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: a package one day, and it was really not like 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: the other stuff I was listening to at the time, 88 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: which was just mostly pretty you know, minor threat, bad 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: brains inspired, speedy hardcore, and I didn't know any. 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 4: Of the songs. They're all covers pretty except. 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: For one, but I didn't know any of them because 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: I didn't listen to Kiss, I didn't listen to The Stones, 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: you know. I really the first music I paid attention 94 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: to was punk rock and then hardcore. 95 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: But there was something about that record. 96 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: That I'd just loved so much, and then that just 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: started this kind of lifelong fandom of this of this 98 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: band and all the permutations, as different as every record was, 99 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: I just loved all of them and always just found 100 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: them more interesting than the rest of the groups of 101 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: the scene that they came out of, Like you know, 102 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: whatever I loved. 103 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 4: I loved the Circle Jerks. 104 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: That was my first concert I ever saw, but they 105 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: weren't as interesting to me as Red Cross. And so 106 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: lifelong fan, and you know, moved to LA in nineteen 107 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: ninety and got to see them. 108 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: And and just felt and. 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: In later years, you know, we saw a show like 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: ten years ago and it's just like this band, this 111 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: is the ultimate LA band. Really when you think about it, 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: like every other LA band connects to Red Cross in 113 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: some way. You know, it's going back to whatever, to 114 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: the Beach Boys, like they're both you know, bands of 115 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: brothers from Hawthorne to whatever. You know, the Runaways, the Germs, 116 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: the Go Gos, the Bengal Jane, Red Hot, Chili Peppers, 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: you name it. 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: Like there's gonna be there's gonna be. 119 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: Some connection to Red Cross, and so I was sort 120 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: of having that thought in my mind. And then I 121 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: heard Steve MacDonald tell this incredible story of this sort 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: of abduction that happened to him when he was young 123 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: on this other podcast and this turned out a punk 124 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: podcast that Damian Abraham does, And I heard that story 125 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: and I told my wife about it. I was just 126 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: like recounting the story, and I was like, someone needs 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: to make a documentary about this band, like it would 128 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: just make such a good documentary, And she said, well, 129 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: why don't you do it? And I just, you know, 130 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: I just started thinking, like, you know, maybe this isn't 131 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: as crazy as an I did, as as it sounds. 132 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: It ust it's just like, you know, I'm not a 133 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: director or documentary filmmaker, but I've been a writer in 134 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: TV for twenty five years or so, so you know, 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: I can tell stories. 136 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 4: And I did have these mutual friends, so I knew could. 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: Introduce me to the band, and I don't know, I 138 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: just sort of like made my pitch to them, which 139 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: they responded to, and then it was just a process 140 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: of figuring out how to do it. But I think 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: what helped is just this long time fandom and not 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: just of them, but of all the other musical worlds 143 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: that they were a part of. So everyone I interviewed 144 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: I could talk to I think musicians and music people's 145 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: sense like are you really a music person? 146 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: And with everyone they you know, I. 147 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: Know, I've been an obsessive for long enough that any 148 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: of these people I met quickly got a sense of, Okay, 149 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: this guy kind of knows what he's talking about. And 150 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: when they were at a loss, like they can't remember, 151 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: like wait, you know whatever, who was the who played 152 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: drums for this band? 153 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: Like often I would know that. And there's just that. 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Language right that you know, you know you're a music person, 155 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: you know when you find someone who speaks the language. 156 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: And so yeah, So that was how I just sort 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: of stumbled into this thing, which is, you know, taking 158 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: up the last like eight or nine years of my 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: life and has been the most fun rewarding thing probably 160 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: I've ever done. 161 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: Really all Right, but tell me how your experience as 162 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: a TV writer and producer, particularly your work on Friends, 163 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: how it influenced and prepared you for the work on 164 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: this documentary. 165 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think that knowing Red Cross and 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: knowing Jeff and Steve not personally knowing them, but knowing 167 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: them via you know, reading interviews and fanzines and you know, 168 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: YouTube clips. I knew they were really funny, and I 169 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: think it was part of what drew me. I was 170 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: just like, a movie about these guys has the potential 171 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: to really be funny because they're just they just are 172 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: naturally funny people, and so in any you know, I've 173 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: tried writing dramas over the years, but it just never 174 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: feels right, like I just want the laughs, like I 175 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: just you know, there's something about writing comedy where it's 176 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: a it's very clear whether you got the answer right. 177 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's like did the audience laugh. If you did, 178 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: then that was correct, you wrote it correctly, right. So 179 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: so I think I was drawn to this because I 180 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: sensed that this movie could be funny. 181 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: It's not exclusively funny. 182 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: There's dark moments in it, and there's you know, there's 183 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: heartfelt moments. 184 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: But but I think if I didn't. 185 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: Feel like the movie could be funny, it wouldn't have 186 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: have been interesting to me and what I had to 187 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: So there are a couple of things. You know, you 188 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: write network TV, you've got very strict time guidelines for 189 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: how long something can be. You know, it's like you, 190 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: this thing is gonna have you when you're talking about 191 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: a network sitcom, it's gonna have to be about twenty 192 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: one and a half minutes. 193 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 4: Like, whether you like it or not. It's even gotten 194 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: shorter now probably, But. 195 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: And so you learn to cut things that you really 196 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: love and just get over it, you know, not be 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: too sentimental about it, and you know, I love this 198 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: joke or this scene, but it's got to go. And 199 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: so I think that helped me once I decided with 200 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: making this based on seeing some other music documentaris I 201 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: thought just overstayed their welcome. I was just like, this 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: movie is gonna be under ninety minutes, because I was 203 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: just sort of fast forwarding in time to imagining this 204 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: movie living on a streaming service somewhere and some music 205 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: documented a music fan coming across it, not knowing Redcup 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: Red Crosses, but maybe seeing like wait, okay, there's members 207 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: of Pearl Jam and the Go Gos and Black Flag 208 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: and Soundgarden, and you know, like, huh, this seems like 209 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: maybe it would be interesting. 210 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 4: How long is it? Oh, it's under ninety minutes. I'll 211 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: check that out. Whereas if it's like, wait, it's two 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 4: hours and twenty minutes. Forget it. 213 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spend that much time 214 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: on a band I've never heard of. So I just 215 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: had this, you know, I was thinking about that imaginary 216 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: viewer going like, huh, eighty nine minutes. I'll yeah, I'm 217 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: gonna check this out. And I know once they had 218 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: a feeling, once they started it, they would get sucked in. 219 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: So I was just like, it's got to be under 220 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: ninety minutes. And that involves cutting a lot of stuff 221 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: out that I really love. But I think that training 222 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: of being a sitcom writer helps train you. 223 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: And then the other thing was just it was frustrating 224 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: because I wanted to have. 225 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: The movie just be told by the interviewees and the 226 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: archival footage, not have a narrator, not have a lot 227 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: of text on the screen telling you the story, just 228 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: telling it just through soundbites of the people I interviewed. 229 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: And then so there's times where you're just like, well, 230 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: I wish I could write, you know, my instinct would 231 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: be to write a punchline or a joke or whatever, 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: but you can't do that. 233 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: You have what you have. 234 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: But I learned, Oh, the images contrasted with the audio 235 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: can something. 236 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: You can get it laugh. 237 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: That way, And so it was this sort of new 238 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: comedic language of learning through the editing. And people see 239 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: the film, I think we'll better understand discovering. Okay, I 240 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: can just I can find a new language of comedy 241 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: sort of in these editing techniques. And so when I 242 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: watch it with an audience and I see where the 243 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: laughs fall, it's just like, Okay, that worked. You know, 244 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: I just figured out a different way that's not exactly writing, 245 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: but is a kind of writing. So and the timing 246 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: of that is again something that I've learned over just 247 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: many years of doing TV. You know, half hour comedy 248 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: is you know, timing is so precise. Like I've sat 249 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: in lots of editing rooms, editing shows, and it's just 250 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: like the cut has to go like right there. If 251 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: we're a few frames early or late, it's no longer funny. 252 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: It's like right there is where the cut has to happen. 253 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: And so when I was working with my editor, there 254 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: was a lot of that same thing, like, no, we 255 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: have to cut here and that's where that'll produce a laugh. 256 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: But if we let it linger a little bit longer. 257 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: Suddenly it's not going to be funny. So I think 258 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: that timing, that editing timing, you know, that was supponed 259 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: over years of being a comedy writer. Really did you 260 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: know was helpful? 261 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: Uh? 262 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: And was reassured because I whin it's its like I 263 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing, I have no idea, and 264 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: then it was like, wait a minute, I kind of do. 265 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: It's just a little bit different, but some of the skills, uh. 266 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: And the experience does apply. It comes across, it's it's legitimate. 267 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: It has an amazing flow to it. It keeps you engaged. 268 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 4: And wanting, wanting more of it. I have to ask you. 269 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: The McDonald brothers talked about their parents, who are such 270 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: an instrumental part of, you know, of their life and 271 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: part of the documentary. And they talked about the the 272 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: bickering nature. 273 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: Of the parents as well. 274 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: Uh, they which they I believe said that the parents 275 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: have mastered the art of bickering. Did you witness this firsthand? 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 4: You know, maybe a little there wasn't you know? That 277 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: interview with the parents, which is such a key part 278 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: of the. 279 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: Film, took me a while to get you know, it 280 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: was years of sort of saying to Jeff and Steve, hey, 281 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: could do you think I could talk to your parents? 282 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: You think? 283 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: And they're just like putting me off and putting me off, 284 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: and I think they were worried about them doing it, 285 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, not wanting to do it. They're you know, 286 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: somewhat shy, and you know, I just felt it was 287 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: really important, you know, especially in terms of this sort 288 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: of abduction story that I'm going to keep hinting at 289 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: with and try not. 290 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: To spoil for viewers. 291 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: And so they were quite nervous in that interview for sure, 292 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: and you know, you do what you can. But I 293 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: certainly didn't start the interview like let's talk about when 294 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: Steve got kidnapped, you know. 295 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 4: It was just like, let's talk about. 296 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: Happier things and plentier things and talk about the grandkids 297 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: and trying to get them at ease, you know. But 298 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: they were not at ease. They you know, they were 299 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: not really comfortable being on camera. I think I kept 300 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: having to tell Terry their dad, like that that fidgeting 301 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: thing you're doing is we're hearing that. 302 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: You know, the mics are picking up this. 303 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: Like fidgety thing that you're you're doing and and and 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: there were things like that, but ultimately, you know, you 305 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: do get a real sense of who the who they 306 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: are and that they're just these you know, kind of 307 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: souls of the earth, working class people who were good 308 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: parents and not checked out. And you know, yeah, their 309 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: kids ran wild a little bit, but not totally. They 310 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: always had this sort of loving, you know, family to 311 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: go back to. And maybe there was a little bit 312 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: with the two of them of of of bickering back 313 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: and forth, but not like Jeff and Steve. 314 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: You know, there was way. 315 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: More big that I captured in the interviews with Jeff 316 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: and Steve then with Janet and Terry, so I didn't 317 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: see as much of that. A few you know, there's 318 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: a there's a moment in the film where you know, 319 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: they're going through all these Red Cross T shirts that 320 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: they've collected over the years, and Terry, their dad's it's 321 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: like it's a good shirt. Maybe I'll wear it, and 322 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: it's like, no, no, you will not. So there was 323 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: a few moments like that where you you know, you 324 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: see that that dynamic, but no, they weren't really at 325 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: each other, and you know, and I did make them 326 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: relive the worst, the worst months of their life, you know, 327 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: that time when Steve was gone and they had no idea. 328 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: Where he was or alive or dead or whatever. 329 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's a traumatic thing that I was asking 330 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: them to really, you know, go back and relive, which 331 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: was not fun for for anyone. But they finally did 332 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: see the movie. They hadn't seen it until just a 333 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: few weeks ago. They came to the santam A screening 334 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: that we did, and I was really nervous, you know, 335 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: to have them there and finally see it and what 336 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 2: they were going to think. And I talked to them 337 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: after and they they loved the movie, and you know, 338 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: they were all good with their appearances in it, and 339 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: so that was really a relief. 340 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: And regrettably, I had so much hysterical laughter from me 341 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: in my episode with the Brothers that I did not 342 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: really touch on the kidnapping. 343 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: I apologize. So I'm glad you're. 344 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: Coming, because I just I wanted to. But we were 345 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: clearly going in this other direction of euphoria that I 346 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: just couldn't resist, you know. 347 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: I get it. 348 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was talking about divine and whatever. Yeah, you know, 349 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: and it's okay, It's like I. 350 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 4: Don't wanna. 351 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: It's an important part of the story, obviously important part 352 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: of the story, and yet you know it's not in 353 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: the trailer. I just didn't want to be exploitative about it. 354 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: It is important, it had to be told. 355 00:17:58,920 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: A lot of. 356 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: People who are fans of the band didn't know the story, 357 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: just like I didn't until, you know, probably ten years ago. 358 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: But so it's understandable you guys were having too much 359 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: fun to talk about, you know, unpleasant things like that. 360 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: So what as a fan did you learn ultimately in 361 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: the process of doing this about Red Cross that you 362 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: didn't know? 363 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 4: I mean, there are there there are little things like 364 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: I had I had never seen that Rock Against Drugs 365 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 4: MTV spot that Jeff did with Vicky Peterson from the 366 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: Bengals when they were dating, which is. 367 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: Just this incredible like bit of footage that I could 368 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 2: not believe when I saw it. So there's there are 369 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: little things like that. But I probably mostly what I learned, 370 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: they were always kind of Jeff and Steve McDonald to me, 371 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: this this entity, you know, Jeff and Steve, and I 372 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: didn't quite have the sense of how very different they 373 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: are and just their personalities are are. 374 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: So completely different. 375 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean, they have so much in common, but they're 376 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: completely different people, and so I think that was the 377 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: main thing, was really getting to know them and the roles, 378 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: the different roles that they play in the band. And 379 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: and I think by the end of the film, I 380 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: from lots of people that they really do feel like, Okay, 381 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: we feel like we know these guys, and we get 382 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: their dynamic, the sibling dynamic, and it's familiar to a 383 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, who have siblings. And that was, 384 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, the main thing that I think I really learned, 385 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: and becoming friends with each of them, you know, you know, 386 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: the friendships are sort of very different because they're such 387 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: different people, and so I think it really was the 388 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: distinct personalities where I really just thought of them as 389 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: this total unit growing up listening to them. That was 390 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: the main thing that I took away. And I think, 391 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: and I guess too, like I had a sense of 392 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: how how much other musicians respected them, but the extent 393 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: of it, I don't think I realized you know, so 394 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: many of these you know, people from household name bands. 395 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: When I reached out and like. 396 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Hey, would you be they were just like absolutely, like 397 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: I love Red Cross and and you know, these you know, 398 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: there are people I didn't even get to get to, 399 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: but you know, Dave Davies from the Kinks is like 400 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: a fan. I mean, it just goes pretty wide. And 401 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm still discovering people that I had no idea were 402 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: Red Cross fans are, you know, I said from the beginning, 403 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: like even the Kickstar material, and like they're always been 404 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: the sort of secret handshake band among real sort of 405 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: music obsessives. And and but the extent of that, how 406 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: the Red Cross fans kind of come out of the 407 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: woodwork is really cool for men that never sold a 408 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: ton of records or you know, had any hits, Like 409 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: they've got fans in all kinds of places. 410 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taken a 411 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: Can you talk about a couple of the key interviews 413 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: you did with the musicians and how they felt about 414 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: the impact that Red Cross made on them, because there's 415 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: a bunch of them, but a single a few of 416 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: them out. 417 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I. 418 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: Guess the easiest to talk to is just the Seattle 419 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: grunge scene. Pretty Much everyone from that scene was a 420 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: Red Cross fan, and they were very important to that movement, 421 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: and I think it does surprise a lot of people 422 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: because they don't exactly sound like a grunge band. But 423 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: when I talked to you know, Mark R and Steve 424 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: Turner uh from Mud Honey and you know, and and 425 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: Green River before that, you know, the beginnings of that 426 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: grunge movement was you know, it was Green River and 427 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: the Melvins and Malfunction and there you know fewbends that. 428 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: Those guys really do, say, like Red Cross. 429 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Uh, teen Babes from Monsanto and Eurotica particularly, Uh. You 430 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: know what that movement came out of was there were 431 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: like the punk rock kids, you know, who were big 432 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: Black Flag fans and and and metal kids, and the 433 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: coming together of those two groups. 434 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 4: Is what sort of begat grunge. 435 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: And they all say, you know that teen Babes from 436 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: Monsanto and Eurotica were records that both sides could agree on. 437 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: So you're at a party and there's this commingling starting 438 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: to happen of these two sides which had been sort 439 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: of kept separate and at odds, and they're starting to 440 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: hang out together. 441 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 4: But you got to decide, like what do you play 442 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: at those parties? 443 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: It was like Red Cross like the metal kids, the 444 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: punk kids were like, we all like Red Cross, and 445 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: so when they came to Seattle to play in nineteen 446 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: eighty seven, that to me to talk. 447 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 4: Into these guys. 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: There are these moments, like you know, when the sex 449 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: Pistols play at the Manchester Free Trade Hall and everyone that's. 450 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: Going to go on to form bands from. 451 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: Like the Buzzcocks to the Smiths are at that show 452 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: and it has this big bang kind of effect. I 453 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: think that Red Cross concert in nineteen eighty seven at 454 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 2: the Crescent ball Room in Tacoma is another one of 455 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: those moments where everyone's in the room. So Kurt Cobain's there, 456 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: and you know, the opening bands are Green River and 457 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: Sound Garden and Malfunction and so those are the roots 458 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: that will you know, obviously those bands, but also Pearl 459 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: Jam and you. 460 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 4: Know, so so every major figure that's. 461 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: Going to be in this huge thing that's going to 462 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: change rock music in the nineties, they're all there and 463 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: they're all agreeing, like this band is incredible. 464 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: I think that's really important. 465 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: And I think the guys who started subpop will say 466 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: that that Red Cross was one and Neurotica was one 467 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: of the things that that inspired them to start sub 468 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: pop records, So you know, I think that that's a 469 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: huge contribution that few people know about, and you know, 470 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 2: you know, so that's one. I mean, I think there 471 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: are others. I think each phase of Red Cross's career 472 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: they've inspired different groups of bands. You know, obviously their 473 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: first incarnation, you know, their drummer becomes the lead singer 474 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: of Black Flag, and their guitarist starts the Circle Jerks, 475 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, so you know, they're a big part of 476 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: that Southern California hardcore, the inception of Southern California. It 477 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: wasn't even called hardcore when they started. They're just thinking 478 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: of themselves as a punk rock band, but they're there 479 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: right at that moment that Southern California hardcore starts, which 480 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: you know goes on to have a huge impact on 481 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: music as well. And I do think even I wasn't 482 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: able to document this as much. But I think they 483 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: were an influence on the britpop movement too, because in 484 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: the early nineties they played a lot in the UK, 485 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: and I think just the way they looked got copied 486 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: by bands like Swede and The Verb and and I 487 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: think their sound did have an influence on paulp and 488 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: Blur and Oasis in those bands, But it's something that 489 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: I can't you know, I wasn't able to get the 490 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: proof by talking to those bands, but I do think 491 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: that time they spent really gigging a lot in the UK. 492 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: The sound they had at the time I hear and 493 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: a lot of the bread pop bands. 494 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: You know what's also fabulous about the documentary, it's not 495 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: only the story of Red Cross and Born Innocent, but 496 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: it really takes you through a moment in time that 497 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: some of the things I remember and so I don't 498 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 3: remember in terms of the way that you. 499 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 4: Captivate us with with that. 500 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: What was the job like with archival footage and finding it? 501 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 4: How long did that take? I mean it took the 502 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 4: whole you know. 503 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: I guess we could say the movie took like seven 504 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: years to make, and that whole time I was always 505 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: seeking out more you know, footage. 506 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: You know. 507 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: I started with a big box of VHS tapes that 508 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: Jeff MacDonald gave me. I got another box from the 509 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: guy who runs the Red Cross website, Robert Hecker, their 510 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: longtime guitarist, gave me a box. So there's you know, 511 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: so that was a lot of material, and I had to, 512 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, get a VCR and go through each those 513 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: tapes and see what's on each of them. 514 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 4: And then it was just sort of putting the word out. 515 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: However, I could to see who else out there, what 516 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: other fans maybe taped the show at some point, and 517 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: there were incredible discoveries like all throughout. I mean, the 518 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: good thing about it taking so long to make was 519 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: I was finding really great stuff, like right up until 520 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: the end, and stuff that if I had made it quicker, 521 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't wouldn't be in the film. So when you know, 522 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: Greg Hetson, their first guitar player who started the Circle. 523 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: Jerks and played in Bad Religion, and I was asking him. 524 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, you know, for the part where 525 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the formation of the band, like it'd 526 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: be cool if if I could get like a high 527 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: school graduation photo or something like do you have something 528 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: like that? And he was like, you know what I've 529 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: got is my dad came to our first show at 530 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: the Hong Kong Cafe and he took a bunch of 531 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: pictures of there's slides in a box somewhere. 532 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 4: Would you be interested in that? And I was like, 533 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 4: are you kidding me? 534 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Like, there's a photographic record in color of the first 535 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: Red Cross show, and it took me a while to 536 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: get him to dig him up and scan them. But 537 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: so in the film there's these incredible photos of, you know, 538 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: of their first show that you never see color photos 539 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: of that early punk roxy. They're all black and white. 540 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: All the main photographers were shooting black and white. 541 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: So that was like a crazy cool thing. 542 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: And there was also at some point I was like 543 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: talking to this company that licenses a lot of public 544 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: access music shows and stuff like that, and I was 545 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 2: talking about this footage of a later concert that had 546 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: been shot by this French TV show, and I was like, hey, 547 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: I also have the Red Cross's first TV appearance. 548 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: Would you be interested in that? I was like, what 549 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: are you talking about? 550 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: And I guess they had been on New Wave Theater, 551 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: which is this kind of you know, famous public access 552 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: show in LA was started on public Access and then 553 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: went to the USA network where a lot of underground 554 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: bands played, and it's the only existing footage of a 555 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: lot of these bands. But I had no idea that 556 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: Red Cross had been on it, and no one had 557 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: ever seen this sort of the guys hadn't seen it, 558 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: and it was at this early moment before they made 559 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: the first full length, the Born Innocent album, and it's 560 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: professionally shot and it looks great, and you know, so 561 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: that's in the film. 562 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 4: There was another incredible discovery. 563 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: So you know, part of the job of being a 564 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: music documentary filmmaker is being an archaeologist. That's a big 565 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: part of it. The archaeology part of it is is 566 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: big and a band like this, an underground band started 567 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: in the eighties, Like, it's a hard job. They weren't 568 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: on MTV. You know, there's not a lot of professionally 569 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: shot stuff. It was like I watched that Wham documentary, 570 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: which I thoroughly enjoyed, but I was like, oh my god, 571 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: they have so much TV footage to choose from, Like 572 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: this band was so well documented by professional camera people. 573 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 4: I didn't have any of that. 574 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's there's a few professional music videos 575 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: from their brief major label moment, but the early days, 576 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: it's really hard to find anything. And even you know 577 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: that Crescent Ballroom show and Tacoma I'm talking about it 578 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: was a major moment. I still haven't been able to 579 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: find a single photograph, bit of video anything from that show. 580 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: I'm just and it kills me because I know it's 581 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 2: out there. There had to have been someone in that 582 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: crowd with like an instematic, you know, who took a 583 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: few shots. But I asked everyone I could think of 584 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: in Seattle, and no one was able to come up 585 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: with a single photo from that era. So you know 586 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: that digging was a It was a big part of 587 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: the job, and it was great when you found stuff. 588 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: But there'll always be frustrations of shoot like I wish 589 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: I had. You know, Thurston Moore's talking about their first 590 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: show in New York and it sounds so incredible. There's 591 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: just no documentation of it that I have been able 592 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: to find. It doesn't mean it's not out there, it's 593 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: just like, you know, it could be in a box somewhere, 594 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: but I didn't find it. 595 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think you're gonna find more so now that 596 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: the McDonald brothers have corrupted you forever in this life 597 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: of being a music documentary and what's up your sleeve next? 598 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: Ye know, people I've gotten asked that a bunch I 599 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: don't know. Part of me just feels like, I think, uh, this. 600 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: Could be it. You know, it could be like, come on, 601 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 4: it'd be like. 602 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: You know, Charles Lawton directs Night of the Hunter and 603 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: that's it. That's his only movie you ever directed. He 604 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: just you know he's got to that's a thousand, right. 605 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: It's just like. 606 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm a bit spoiled because I like those guys so much, 607 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: you know. 608 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 4: Like they're they're good people. 609 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: They're so smart, they're so fun funny, they're so fun 610 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: to be around. 611 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: So they're great. 612 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: They're only makes the great protagonists for a movie. But 613 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: the process was just really pleasant. When I would ask them, hey, 614 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: could you maybe connect me to Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth, 615 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: Like great, you know, get me on a text thread 616 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: with Kim Gordon. 617 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 4: Whatever I needed. 618 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: Whenever I needed an intro to someone, they were happy 619 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: to do it. And even now as the movie's coming out, 620 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: it's like, hey, you know, you guys the Las Vegas screening, 621 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: they want us to be there in person. 622 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: Like cool, let's road trip to Las Vegas together. So 623 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: they're so. 624 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: Engaged and cooperative, and they were okay with me saying 625 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: to them like, hey, this is my movie. You guys 626 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: don't have final cut. You don't really have say I'm 627 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: going to make the movie. Just know, my intention in 628 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: doing this is I love you this band. I'm not 629 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: trying to, you know, do some kind of takedown. I'm 630 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: just trying to make you guys better known. But I'm 631 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: going to do that my way, and I may include 632 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: some stuff that you don't particularly love. 633 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: And they were like, we get it. 634 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: You got to make your movie to the The experience 635 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: of working with them has been so great that it's 636 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: hard for me to think of another, you know, and 637 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: obviously I could make another documentary that's not a music documentary, 638 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: but in terms of just making another music documentary, like 639 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: there's something about making one about a band where they're 640 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: still alive, you know, like where it's not talking about 641 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: someone who's passed and it's got to all be archival footage. 642 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: Something great about having the people just there to tell 643 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: you their story. And you know, I was thinking of 644 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: a band I love this much where I think I 645 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: would like the people, because there's a lot of music 646 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: I like made by people who I probably really wouldn't 647 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: want to spend time with. And then on top of that, 648 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: you got to find a band that doesn't already have 649 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: a documentary, you know, and. 650 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 4: So it's kind of hard at this point. 651 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: It's not like there are no plans and I still 652 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: still you know, i have a day job as a 653 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: TV writer, and I've got a pilot that I'm hoping 654 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: is going to go and I'm going to get to make. 655 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 4: So there's that. But but on the other hand, I feel. 656 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: Like I learned so much about how to do this, 657 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: and I would love to put that knowledge, you know, 658 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: into use. I think it would go a lot smoother 659 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: the second time, because I just there's so many things 660 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 2: I did out of just complete ignorance of what I 661 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 2: was doing, and now I think I know a little 662 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: bit better. I'm sure it's the kind of thing where, 663 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: you know, I always say, like writing pilots or whatever, 664 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: each each script you write, you have to learn how 665 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: to write that script. It's not like you're ever at 666 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: a point like I know how to write, so I'm 667 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: going to write this thing and I know how to 668 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: write it. 669 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 4: Like, no, you don't know how to write. 670 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: This story, and you have to learn how to write 671 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: that particular story. And so I'm sure any movie you make, 672 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: any documentary, it's like you have to learn how to 673 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: make that documentary. 674 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 4: But certain basic things about how it's done. 675 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 2: I now know, and it would probably go a little 676 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: bit smoother, so we'll see. It's just, you know, it's 677 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 2: you have to be so interesting in the subject to 678 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: do this, And luckily I'm still just as interested, uh 679 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: in in these guys in this in this band. I'm 680 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: just sort of endlessly amused and fascinated by them. 681 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 4: And it's also, as. 682 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 2: You sort of pointed out, I think talking them it 683 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: is a bit of you get a bit of a history. 684 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 4: Of Los Angeles and Los Angeles. You know, I love the. 685 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: City so much, you know, right, you know, as we're talking, 686 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: it's it's a very rough time for la that we're 687 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 2: all going through. But it's also a reminder of just 688 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: like how much I do love It's not my it's 689 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: not my hometown, it's my adopted town, but but I 690 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: love it and I'm and I think there's you know, 691 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: the history. 692 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 4: Gets erased here and a whole ton of history. 693 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: Just got wiped off the map. But there's so much 694 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. So you know the beginnings of the Red 695 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: Cross story, which is like whole neighborhoods being destroyed to 696 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: build freeways. You know, that's been forgot, and everyone drives 697 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: on these freeways, no one thinks about what was what 698 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: was cleared to make room for them, and how it 699 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 2: was done, and just eminent domain taking people's houses and 700 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 2: in some cases just like picking them up and moving 701 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: them somewhere else. And what it was like for Jeff 702 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: and Steve to be the last inhabited house in their 703 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 2: neighborhood where every other house had been torn down or moved, 704 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: you know, things like that. There's just a million, like 705 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: great La stories, and so that was really fun because 706 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: telling their story you have to tell a lot of 707 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 2: the story of Los Angeles over the last you know, 708 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: four or five decades, and so I loved I loved 709 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: that about it too. So I don't know, you know, 710 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: I think it will be just like this was just 711 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 2: this sort of moment of inspiration of like I want 712 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 2: to see this, like I wanted to see this movie, 713 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: and that's always the best. And when you're making something 714 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: because it's you just want to see it, that's always 715 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 2: the best. And so it's why I'll often at these 716 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 2: screenings be like I'm just gonna sit and check the 717 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: sound and picture and then I'm gonna go, and then 718 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, now, the movie's over. I 719 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: just sat through the whole thing, you know, because it's 720 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: the movie I wanted to see. And so that's what 721 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: needs to happen, is I have to think of like, 722 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, I wish I could see that, but 723 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. So I guess I'll have to make 724 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: it like that feeling will come with something else, and 725 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully I'll make another one. But for right now, 726 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get as many eyes on this 727 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 2: one and get people to see it and make them 728 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: some new fans and just you know, hopefully you know, 729 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: get people who are it's okay if you don't know them, 730 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: it's okay if you haven't heard of them. 731 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,479 Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's still a good time. 732 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 4: It's really a good time. 733 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 3: And by the way, I cannot imagine what that ride 734 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: to Las Vegas with you guys going to the Punk 735 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 3: Rock Museum was, Like I'm just like laughing so much 736 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 3: inside about the thought of that. 737 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 4: That must have been a riot as well. 738 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: Can I could just say that we've spent probably a 739 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: good hour and a half talking about Martha Stewart, just 740 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 2: you know, just to give you a sense of you know, 741 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: like what kinds of topics are are discussed. 742 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: That's great, I love it. 743 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: Congratulations Andrew. Everybody should check it out. It's going to 744 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: be available on various platforms right for a while. 745 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, it's like we're doing I mean, it 746 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: is so much like a sort of indie band tour, 747 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: like the rollout of this of this film, which I 748 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 2: think is just appropriate. But yeah, red crossfilm dot Com 749 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 2: has all the screenings listed and we're adding more all 750 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: the time. So the best thing is to go there 751 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 2: and just sign up for the emails and check back 752 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: every now and then, because you know, things, things get added, 753 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: and they're getting added in some cases just due to 754 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: a demand of fans like getting in touch and saying like, hey, 755 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, we think we could promote a screening here, 756 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: and so so yeah, we're gonna be doing that for 757 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 2: the next couple of months, and then it will live 758 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: at that red crossfilm dot com website and be available 759 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 2: to rent or buy, you know, directly from there. And 760 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: and beyond that, I think once it's there exclusively for 761 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: a period of time, you'll be able to rent it 762 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: on your Apple and Amazon and all those kinds of 763 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: places and then we'll see you know, I hope that 764 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 2: down the road there will be a Netflix or whatever 765 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 2: who wants to you know, buy the film, to put 766 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: it to make it available to screen for free. But 767 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 2: you know that I think will depend on how much 768 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 2: word of mouth is built from these theatrical screenings and 769 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: and and that you know, it's it's a challenge to 770 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: you know, pitch this movie to a Netflix or whatever 771 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: where people might not have heard of the band, like 772 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: what and and a lot of people don't get it 773 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 2: until they see it. 774 00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 4: You know. 775 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 2: It's just like you know, I say, like, you don't 776 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 2: need to know them, you don't, you really don't. Like 777 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,959 Speaker 2: just I guarantee it's it's going to be a good time. 778 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 2: And so I think that word of mouth, every little 779 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: bit of word of mouth, is going to help the cause. 780 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 4: And what I like too, I do think people the 781 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 4: movie makes people happy. 782 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 2: You know, it's just you come out, you smile through 783 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: most of it, and you come out in a good 784 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 2: mood and there's no tragic ending, and you know, this 785 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: is just yeah, it's not the typical rock and roll 786 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 2: success story, but it's a total rock and roll success 787 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: story because they're still going and making amazing music and 788 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: playing and bringing joy to people. And so I think 789 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 2: in what feels like some dark times like the movies, 790 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 2: is it's fun. 791 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 4: It puts me in a good mood. Still, so same here, 792 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 4: same here, without a doubt. 793 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 3: Congratulations Andrew Raich on it for being on Born in 794 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: a Scent The Red Cross Story. What a blast, and 795 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 796 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you bus, 797 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: Thanks so much. 798 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 799 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. 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