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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena, and we are back for part

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Speaker 1: two with Carolina. Carolina, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Do you think if you had gone all the way

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Speaker 2: to the very end, it would have been enough time

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Speaker 2: for you to feel confident in getting engaged?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think I really wanted I listen.

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Speaker 3: If Grant thought he was gonna get lucky with me

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Speaker 3: at Fantasy Suites, he was so wrong. I was gonna

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Speaker 3: yap his year off. I was gonna ask him so

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Speaker 3: many questions. I really was holding on to him, asking

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Speaker 3: me to trust him until Fantasy Suites, where we could

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Speaker 3: have time off camera to really enjoy each other and

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Speaker 3: have these serious conversations that you, unfortunately can't really have

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Speaker 3: during these group dates where you have like maybe ten

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes to talk to him. So, I it's crazy

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Speaker 3: because I liked Grant so much and I thought that

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Speaker 3: we I did have my doubts, but I thought that

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Speaker 3: we could figure them out. And I just remember in

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Speaker 3: the moment, thinking when Juliana's coming at me, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: she's self eliminating right now. Like that's how delusional I was.

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Speaker 3: I was like she's going to go to him with

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Speaker 3: some drama and he's going to be so against this

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Speaker 3: because I was telling her he knows where I stand.

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Speaker 3: I was clear with Grant. I would always tell him like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm still not convinced because this happened, and

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Speaker 3: this happened, you know, I held him accountable. I was like,

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Speaker 3: you did tell me that you weren't going to do that,

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Speaker 3: and you did it, So it's natural that I have

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Speaker 3: my doubts. But it's like I wanted to be convinced

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Speaker 3: because I did like him and I did really care.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I mean, you're shooting yourself in

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Speaker 3: the foot by starting drama with me because he knows

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Speaker 3: where I stand. And she's like, I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, well do you talk to him about me?

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Speaker 3: Like how do you know where we stand?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like after everything he went through with Grant,

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Speaker 2: you felt like he needed to prove himself to you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But I think everyone needs to prove themselves to me,

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Speaker 3: and I think I need to prove myself to anyone

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Speaker 3: that I want to be with. Two Like, trust is earned,

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Speaker 3: And he kept asking me to trust him, and he

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Speaker 3: kept letting me down, like he would say one thing

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Speaker 3: really did like him, you know. We had so much

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Speaker 3: fun on that one on one and that's what I want, Like,

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Speaker 3: I want a partner that I can just like be

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Speaker 3: myself with, how like be my best friend dance with,

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Speaker 3: even if I don't know how to dance like we

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy because look at the person that I

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Speaker 3: was the first like two episodes or three episodes, versus

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Speaker 3: like the person that I became. It's completely different. But

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Speaker 3: I thought that that happy version of myself and him

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Speaker 5: That one on one date you mentioned you opened up

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Speaker 5: about your journey with epilepsy.

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Speaker 1: How did you go in to.

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Speaker 5: This journey knowing how you were going to approach that,

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Speaker 5: Like were you expecting to talk about that early on

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Speaker 5: waiting or did you talk to the women about it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't talk to the women about it at all. Again,

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Speaker 3: not a lot of people in my life even knew

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Speaker 3: myself that I needed to address sooner in my next

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Speaker 3: relationship and it was something that, again I felt so

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Speaker 3: understood during the casting process because you open up about

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Speaker 3: everything and it was so refreshing, and it's something that

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Speaker 3: I had always wanted to be able to do for myself,

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Speaker 3: you know, and it was really scary. But I also

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Speaker 3: felt like, kind of like what I said about the

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Speaker 3: casting process in the beginning, like if it flows and

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Speaker 3: it's easy, like I want to challenge myself to do

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Speaker 3: from all of this, and who knows if it also

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Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if I was only going to address

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Speaker 2: So can you just tell us more about how epilepsy

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Speaker 2: affects kind of your daily life and if it was

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Speaker 2: and maybe how it affected you throughout the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, even going through the process, I was

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Speaker 3: really worried that having atpilepsy would prevent me from being

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Speaker 3: try so hard to keep it a secret. It's affected

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Speaker 3: me in jobs before, and I didn't want to feel

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Speaker 3: like a liability. I didn't want to not be chosen

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Speaker 3: because of that because I've managed to control it, but

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Speaker 3: I know that people make assumptions and they might think

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Speaker 3: having to let everyone know what medications you're on or

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Speaker 3: so understood by production and it felt so liberating as

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Speaker 3: well to just be able to talk about it like

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Speaker 3: I'm now talking about it without crying. This was never

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Speaker 3: So production being so supportive made me want to try

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Speaker 3: to open up more. And it was scary for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely like I need more rest than

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Speaker 2: How do you feel like it was received by Grant

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Speaker 2: when you opened up to.

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Speaker 3: Him, Oh my god, that I will like, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: did great. He really took it like a champ. He

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Speaker 3: made me feel so seen. He made me feel like

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Speaker 3: it was genuine. I remember when I was you know,

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Speaker 3: when you do your interviews, they're like, how does it mean?

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Speaker 3: How does it feel to have received a rose after

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Speaker 3: send you home after you like sob about your trauma story,

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Speaker 3: you know, so I kind of almost like expected that,

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Speaker 3: but it was him, Like the way that he took it,

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Speaker 3: the way that he cried with me, it felt so

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Speaker 5: Looking back, now, do you regret not telling the other

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Speaker 3: I don't regret it because it's not easy for me

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Speaker 3: and how is this going to affect me, like again

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Speaker 3: with employment and things like that, where you google me

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Speaker 3: we could dive into this, you know, like I used

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Speaker 3: a big thing for me. And I didn't tell them

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Speaker 3: They didn't understand why maybe I was more tired and

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Speaker 3: So I do think maybe it would have been different,

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Speaker 3: But I also think that people need to just let

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Speaker 3: Like like people saying that I had a bad attitude

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Speaker 3: know that I need to take an app, and why

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Speaker 3: I was never you know, I believe in like rotten

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Speaker 2: What do you want People who maybe don't know someone

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Speaker 2: do you wish was more common knowledge about what you

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Speaker 3: Well, I think everyone's epilepsy is different, and that's a

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Speaker 3: good place to start. For example, And I know, Joe,

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Speaker 3: It's connected to your like that is all in your brain.

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Speaker 3: It can affect so many, so many things like uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: Something that you mentioned about epilepsy is it's something that

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Speaker 5: you've kept basically private your whole life. And now you

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Speaker 5: that you you have epilepsy.

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Speaker 1: Are you.

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Speaker 5: Comfortable or happy about that now that it is public

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Speaker 5: and you know, maybe you are helping people that do

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Speaker 5: is it something you wish no one knew.

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Speaker 3: Still I have mixed feelings. In the moment of my

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Speaker 3: break your promises over like over and over and over again.

436
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 3: And I kept telling him my biggest thing is I

437
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 3: hate when people over promised and under deliver it when

438
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: they could just shut the fuck up, and he laughed,

439
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, just stop making promises that you

440
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: can't keep. And it sucks that, like I genuinely was

441
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: just trying to protect everyone. I was like for the girls,

442
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: and somehow that made me the bad person. Like I

443
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: don't know, it's why do.

444
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: You think he did that.

445
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: Why do I think he.

446
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: Did what, like made all these promises to all these women.

447
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: Because he's a man. I don't know, Like I can't

448
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: imagine a woman ever doing that, especially after being corrected,

449
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 3: because that's the thing, Like clearly me and Latia both

450
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: told him to please stop, and he kept doing it.

451
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: He kept giving you reassurances. I don't know if he

452
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: just genuinely felt it in the moment. But like, and again,

453
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: I don't think he's like a terrible person. Like I

454
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 3: said before, I don't typically believe in like cancel culture.

455
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to say, like screw him, but I

456
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: just think he was really irresponsible. Like to be the Bachelor,

457
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: you have to have a backbone and you have to

458
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: stand her ground, and you have to want not let

459
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: yourself be easily influenced by other people and to know

460
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: that like your words have meaning. And that's another thing

461
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: he Oh, he literally told me from the very beginning.

462
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: I was like, don't make promises you can't keep, and

463
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: he was like, I'm a man of my word. So

464
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: like I wanted to believe that so much, and you know,

465
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: you just can't. You can reassure people that you like

466
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: them right now or that you care about them right

467
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: now without making future promises. And that's what I wish

468
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: he had done a better job job of.

469
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean it's it's it's

470
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 6: still a situation where it's like it is.

471
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 5: It is still a television show, right, Like if he

472
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 5: just is like I like Juliana from the beginning, he

473
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 5: can't just walk out with her, you know, like he

474
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 5: has to has to have relationships.

475
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 3: With Okay, by the way, sorry no, no, no.

476
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 5: But he has to have relationship with multiple women. But

477
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: I do understand like the you know, over promising or

478
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 5: promising or telling women like I'm gonna do this.

479
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: And then not doing it. So I get it.

480
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 3: It's just if you want to sign up for this

481
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: process as the Bachelor, you should if you want to

482
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: do it right, you should know that you're gonna keep

483
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: your mind. You're going to keep an open mind, right,

484
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: that's the right way to do it. So you shouldn't

485
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: really know until the end who it is because who

486
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: you like today might change tomorrow. And that's you know,

487
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: I think really, if you were the Bachelor and you're

488
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: like I knew from day one that it was going

489
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: to be her that in my mind, you weren't a

490
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: good person, because if I was in that position and

491
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: I was so sure about someone so early, then I

492
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: would just have to like cut the show I made.

493
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: I made a joke at the at our one on

494
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: one when he was so reassuring, I was like, are

495
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: we about to pull Claire Crawley here? Because he was

496
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: so reassuring and morally ethically, that's the only way that

497
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: I could have ever done it. But I think if

498
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: you want to be the Bachelor, you need to let

499
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: be real with yourself and be like, there's no way

500
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: that I know everything about this person in one day.

501
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: I need to give it that time and and and

502
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: let it all play out. So then why are you

503
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: making these promises Like it's just not I don't know. Yeah,

504
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: leading leading people on for the sake of TV is

505
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: to me is insane and cruel and I could never

506
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: do it, and I don't respect people who can do

507
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: that either. I think he has the right to change

508
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: his mind as the Bachelor, and that's fine. He just

509
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: you know, he shouldn't upset what he said.

510
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: Jumping to tell all before we play a quick game

511
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: with you and let you go chat with us about

512
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: the outfit decision, and also just your overall thoughts on

513
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: how then I.

514
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: Went so the outfit decision. I don't want to keep

515
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: fighting with people. I don't want people to think that

516
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: I actually want to be crazy and evil. But I

517
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: always have to lean into everything with humor. And if

518
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: I stayed home and cried about it, some more people

519
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: would be mad, and they're still mad that I made

520
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: the outfit. I kind of have to lean into the

521
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: joke at this point, try to own it. It's never

522
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: my intention to be crazy or evil, but you know,

523
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to try to make a laugh, trying

524
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: to get a laugh out of it. And then overall,

525
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: what was your other question?

526
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: How did you feel that the night went?

527
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: I thought that night was awful. However, I've been surrounded

528
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: by people that I love and that loved me and

529
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: that know me, and even at least like in the crowd,

530
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: there were people supporting me. I feel like the tell

531
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: all was a kind of a turning point to the people.

532
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: To some people. Obviously not everyone, but some people who

533
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: really just liked me still felt like that was too much.

534
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: And I can tell you that living with them in Spain,

535
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: and Scotland was worse than the Women Tell All.

536
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had a hard night. You had a hard night,

537
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: for sure.

538
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, though, it seemed like the

539
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: girl's biggest frustration with you, specifically at the Women Tell All,

540
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: was they felt like you weren't taking accountability for your actions.

541
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: How did you feel about that?

542
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: I felt like I didn't mean to hurt Rose. I

543
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: had already apologized to her so many times. It felt

544
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: like we were cool. You know, you don't see everything

545
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: on the show, right, but like someone else was tried

546
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: to have a conversation with me, and that conversation went

547
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: really well. And I do think that I can take

548
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: accountability for my mistakes when people aren't attacking me, Like,

549
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: if you want to have a conversation with me, I'm

550
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: happy to I want to listen. I even told Dina

551
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: this in Scotland. I'm happy to listen and try to

552
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: see your point of view. But I just don't think

553
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: the approach is ever appropriate. Of attacking anyone is ever appropriate.

554
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: And that's what it felt like. And I think I

555
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: did take accountability for the Rose situation. I don't think

556
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: that I felt bad about the Rose situation. I think

557
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: that everything else that everyone else had a problem with

558
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: was just a testament to how mob mentality works. Like

559
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: I was attacked for being in my room, which is

560
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: not even true. But okay, like why is that personal?

561
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: You know? People? I don't know? They when when you

562
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: live with a group of women that can only talk

563
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: about the same group that is already there, and they

564
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: find someone that they dislike, they just want to they'll

565
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: find anything. And that's what it felt like at the

566
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: women tall and living there.

567
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: All right, Well let's end this on a lighter note.

568
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 5: We're gonna play a quick game with you. Oh yeah,

569
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: get to know Carolina rapid fire. It's really easy, just

570
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: simple questions. Okay, gold jewelry or silver jewelry.

571
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: Both favor gold in the summer, like gold when I'm tan,

572
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: silver when I'm like pale. I don't know whatever.

573
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, favorite perfume?

574
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: M hold on, I don't want to tell you because

575
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: it's like like my my one that is just I

576
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: don't I don't know that anyone else has it.

577
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: No, you're gonna gate keep it.

578
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: I have no.

579
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: I will not gay keep anything else. But like I've

580
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: tried hard to have I've always wanted to be a

581
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: person that like, you know it's them when you smell it.

582
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: And this one is one that I found that isn't

583
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: like a very common brand. So I'm sorry. I'm not

584
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: a gatekeeper ever, I promise it's just like this is

585
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: the one that, like.

586
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's fair. Okay, go to comfort movie or

587
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: TV show?

588
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Ooh, movie is either She's the Man or White Chicks

589
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: TV show? The office?

590
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Favorite way to unwind after a long.

591
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: Day checking all of the hate comments on Reddit about me? Oh, no,

592
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: totally kidding. I don't know. Just like hanging out with

593
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: my family, my friends, my dog.

594
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Go to cocktail or mocktail.

595
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, there's so many. This is bad. Okay, either aperol, sprits,

596
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: Moscow mule or alice to Martini.

597
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: What are your three essentials you keep?

598
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm really bad at this game, you're what was

599
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: your next question?

600
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: What are three essentials you keep in your purse?

601
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: Lipliner, lip gloss and.

602
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Like a travel perfume, dream vacation destination.

603
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: Oh this is too hard. You guys are going to

604
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: sect if I can't do this. Uh uh Okay, I

605
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: really want to go to Japan. But if you mean

606
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: like something like, uh.

607
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Now, Japan, it is okay, You're like.

608
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: We really want to wrap this up. Let's go.

609
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

610
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: And if you were to strand it on a deserted island,

611
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: it could only take two girls from your season.

612
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Who would they be?

613
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: I would take people from production?

614
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right?

615
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Before we let you go, Carolina, is there anything that

616
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: you want to say or share or let people know?

617
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to say We're all human, we

618
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: all make mistakes. I hope that people can take this

619
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: and learn from it, give everyone grace and just move forward.

620
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: You know, like I just because even I had a

621
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: bad experience doesn't mean that I want to hold resentment

622
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: against anyone. And I want everyone to just be happy.

623
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: And I hope that everyone also sends me all the

624
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: positivity and you know, we can just all walk out

625
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: of this feeling like we're better after it, and.

626
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: NICI like that. Actually, quick question before we let you go?

627
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Would you do Paradise if they ask you? Eh?

628
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: Uh, this is a tough question. I don't want to

629
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: say no. I don't want to say yes. I you know,

630
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 3: I really struggled a lot socially there, and I don't

631
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: know if I ever like if I could ever be

632
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: in a room where I feel so low ever again,

633
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: where everything I say is an issue, or or even

634
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: anything that I don't say. So I'm not sure it

635
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: sucks because I really like, I want to find my

636
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: person and it sounds like such a fun opportunity and

637
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: even being like now that we know the Goldens are going, like,

638
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: I want to hang out with but I'm not sure yet.

639
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: I think you know, I don't know.

640
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: I can't.

641
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: I haven't made up my mind yet.

642
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine, Okay, Well, Carolina, thank you so much

643
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 5: for taking time out of your day.

644
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Thank you guys coming on this podcast.

645
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: Thank you for not screaming at me.

646
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: Not what we do here, And to all our listeners,

647
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: thank you so much for tuning in the Better Happy Hour.

648
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 5: Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

649
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: We will have lots more expensive interviews coming your wife.

650
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.

651
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Bye,