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Speaker 1: Welcome back in an hour number two Clay Travis, Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us

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Speaker 1: on a Friday. We got a couple of guests coming

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Speaker 1: your way. Heather McDonald at one thirty in about what

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Speaker 1: twenty five minutes or so from now, and then Julie Kelly,

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Speaker 1: who has been great on January sixth and more in

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Speaker 1: the third hour of this program. I'm going to duck

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Speaker 1: out in the third hour, about thirty minutes early, Buck,

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Speaker 1: because I'm going to go to Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: Last time you went to Chicago, Buck, you had never been,

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, there was a shooting at at

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Speaker 1: the park right just a few hours after you were

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Speaker 1: there in.

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Speaker 3: Millennium Park, two hours after we were there. Yes, the

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Speaker 3: food was amazing. It's a beautiful city. I love it.

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Speaker 3: It just has a crime problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to a family wedding there on Saturday, so

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Speaker 1: I'll be up there for a couple of nights, so

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Speaker 1: that should be entertaining. Okay, Buck, I want to circle

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Speaker 1: back around on the way we finished the first hour,

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Speaker 1: because several of you reached out and pointed out what

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Speaker 1: I think is actually really important here, and I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen anybody make this argument, and I credit as I

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Speaker 1: always do this audience again eight hundred and two two

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Speaker 1: two eight a two will also take some of your calls.

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Speaker 1: A lot of intelligent people out there. It's a big audience,

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Speaker 1: a lot of intelligent, creative thinkers out there. Buck, Let's

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Speaker 1: kind of go down the path here of the cocaine

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Speaker 1: and why it matters. They shut down the White House

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Speaker 1: because they were concerned this was anthrax, which is how

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Speaker 1: we became aware that this story existed in the first place.

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Speaker 1: They knew they had found a white powder, they were

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Speaker 1: concerned that it might be anthrax.

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Speaker 2: They shut it down.

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Speaker 1: If the White House, which is using its media allies

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Speaker 1: to say we may never know who brought this cocaine

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Speaker 1: into the White House, if they are going to make

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Speaker 1: that argument, then Buck, it raises this question. That would

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Speaker 1: then mean that if someone had brought anthrax into the

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Speaker 1: White House, if this had been determined to be a

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Speaker 1: legitimate terror attack, that the White House wouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to uncover who brought anthrax into the White House. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that's true, but if it is true, it

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Speaker 1: would mean that the most secure building that a residence

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Speaker 1: in the United States is actually so insecure that someone

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Speaker 1: could bring in anthrax, undertake a legitimate terror attack inside

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Speaker 1: of the White House and we would be unable to

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Speaker 1: know who did it. So this to me, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who work in the White House Press.

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Speaker 2: Corps who listen to this show.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear Karine Jean Pierre pressed, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, you thought this might be anthrax? Does that

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Speaker 1: mean that someone could bring anthrax into the White House

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Speaker 1: institute a legit terror attack, and the Biden administration is

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Speaker 1: telling us it would be impossible to figure out who

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Speaker 1: that person was. That's a really good angle that deserves

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Speaker 1: to be explored because I think not only one would

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Speaker 1: it be awful if it were true, but it also

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Speaker 1: exposes the illegitimacy of the argument and the deceitfulness of

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Speaker 1: it to argue to the American public, Oh, we may

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Speaker 1: never know who brought this cocaine in.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they will ever tell us who did it?

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 1: I think the pressure should be ratcheted up to the

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Speaker 2: And let me say this, I'm not do you think

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Speaker 2: they're actually gonna tell us? Though? You think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: I think that it is if it's Hunter, Buck, I

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Speaker 1: think they could spin it if it's Hunter, And I

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Speaker 1: said as I finished off the first hour, the evidence

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Speaker 1: on on social media funny analogy. They were like, this

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Speaker 1: is like McDonald's saying when they had Hamburgers stolen, we

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Speaker 1: have no idea who might have stolen the hamburgers, And

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Speaker 1: like the hamburglar, you know, like sitting right out there

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Speaker 2: Who took the hamburgers either.

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Speaker 1: If you have a drug addict in the White House

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Speaker 1: I think the number one suspective who might bring cocaine

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Speaker 1: I think they might come out Buck and say, this

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Speaker 1: is this is what addiction does. The President lovesbook, the

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Speaker 1: President loves the sun, the whole. That's what they always

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Speaker 1: they always say something along those lines. Whenever we find

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Speaker 1: this is about some personal animis toward a hundred. I

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Speaker 1: don't really care how many strippers Hunter by and hangs

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Speaker 1: The fact that he has a security clearance should trouble

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Speaker 1: every American you know. Think about this buck. They are

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Speaker 1: arguing right now to the American public, Donald Trump having documents,

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Speaker 1: years old documents in his private residence under Secret Service

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Speaker 1: protection in locked private areas of his clobe is such

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Speaker 1: an American security threat that he should go to prison

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Speaker 1: for millions of dollars in ill begotten gains, who is

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Speaker 1: also a drug addict, who is engaged in reckless behavior

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Speaker 1: should be able to just come in and out gallivant

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Speaker 3: Why the Chinese give him millions of dollars to play

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Speaker 3: right right, This is why because he's he's like the

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Speaker 3: perfect vessel for influence peddling and perhaps even information trans practice,

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Speaker 3: not something else that you.

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Speaker 2: Were in the CIA.

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Speaker 1: Can you think of a better potential asset if you

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Speaker 1: were China? Then the drug addled, reckless son of the

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Speaker 1: think of any more of a security threat than Hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden being allowed to hang out for all of these

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Speaker 2: Saying from one moment to the next.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were in charge of recruiting assets, Buck,

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Speaker 1: can you think of a better asset like if China

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Speaker 1: do everything we could to get our fingers into Hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden's world if it was China.

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Speaker 2: This is why no one is No one looks at China.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Chinese Communist Party carve out who was

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Speaker 3: sending him money.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they doing they're so silly. Why

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Speaker 3: No, the problem is Hunter Biden taking the money, because

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Speaker 3: we all know what he's offering in respect, It's not

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Speaker 3: what with barisma. This is the crazy part that ever

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Speaker 3: needs to remember. That was money well spent. The Chinese

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Speaker 3: Communist Party bribes to Hunter, money well spent. From their perspective,

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's a perfect a perfect person to be

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Speaker 1: I would love if I were trying to corrupt the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government to have the equivalent of Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: That we could be corrupting.

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Speaker 1: If Kim Jong un had a son in North Korea

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Speaker 1: Korean government. That would be money well spent by our Chinese,

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Speaker 1: by our security apparatus. The Chinese know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine knew what they were doing. The fact that we're

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Speaker 1: put Donald Trump in prison for the rest of his

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yet I have been perhaps a little salty

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Speaker 3: and a little cynical all along, but I've said they're

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Speaker 3: not gonna Hunter's not going to I mean, and I

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Speaker 3: think it was surprising for people because it was so blatant,

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Speaker 3: the cover up sweetheart deal thing that Hunter got. But

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Speaker 3: that's why when I look at this, at this cocaine situation,

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Speaker 3: this is too much of a liability for the powers

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Speaker 3: taken to the endpoint here of who is responsible for this,

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Speaker 3: So they will the system will cover it up. And

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Speaker 3: Epstein thing, like how is it that that guy was

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Speaker 3: able to get at well, once you see that his

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Speaker 3: just think that that's maybe the only way we find

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Speaker 3: out who the cocaine belongs to. Wasn't there a cocaine

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Speaker 3: bear movie? As an assign? Didn't make a cocaine bear

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Speaker 3: don't see it happening. I think they're gonna say we

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Speaker 3: could never know. We'll never know who the real cocaine

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Speaker 1: If that's true, and it could be, that's where the

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Speaker 1: media needs to grill Kareem John Pierre and just say, okay,

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Speaker 1: pretend this was anthrax instead we shut down the White House.

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Speaker 1: For people out there who say, oh, it's just cocaine,

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Speaker 1: why should we care about that much, Well, they shut

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Speaker 1: the White House if they're telling us they can't find cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Second part on this, Buck, you may be right about

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Speaker 1: low level staffer. And this is where the Democrats play

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Speaker 1: the game. Well, they'll have some low level staffer say,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I brought cocaine. I've had addiction issue

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Speaker 1: you know what'll happen, Buck, That low level staffer will

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Speaker 1: come out and get a two hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: where they're taken care of going forward, right, That's what

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Speaker 1: there won't be any significant crime brought. Somebody will say hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the good of the party, where you

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Speaker 1: be snorting coke off off strippers, Hunter Biden style.

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Speaker 3: the real challenge that you're setting up there.

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Speaker 2: If we were to extrapolate this all the way.

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Speaker 3: We're speaking to Heather MacDonald, author of the War on Cops,

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Speaker 3: and she's got an article out Affirmative action was hurting

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Speaker 3: black students.

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Speaker 2: It's in the Spectator.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what do we know about the way this has

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Speaker 3: played out with something that you know, you want a

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Speaker 3: good lawyer, right, I mean, you know, just talk to

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Speaker 3: Hunter and Biden, like you want to have a good lawyer,

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Speaker 3: but you really want to have a good doctor.

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Speaker 2: You really want to have the best possible heart surgeon.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about the way the MCATs, which

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Speaker 3: is the standardized test for medical school have been changed

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Speaker 3: or not not change the test, but you know they

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Speaker 3: changed the standards based on affirmative action in the past.

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Speaker 5: Well, black students wouldn't be admitted to medical schools with

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Speaker 5: MCAT scores and from college that would be automatically disqualifying

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Speaker 5: if presented by whites or Asians, and as predicted by

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Speaker 5: this mismatch theory, they end up at the bottom of

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Speaker 5: their class. And so what we're now doing is changing

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Speaker 5: the standards for licensing doctors. After the second year of

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Speaker 5: medical schools, students take medical students take something called Step

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Speaker 5: one of the US Medical Licensing Exam that used to

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Speaker 5: be a graded test, and it would be used by

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Speaker 5: hospital residencies to select their residents. Because black students scored

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Speaker 5: so poorly on the Step one exam, again predictably because

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Speaker 5: they've all been catapulted into schools for which they are

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Speaker 5: not competitively qualified, the licensing board decided to get rid

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Speaker 5: of scores on step one and just go to a

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Speaker 5: pass fail basis, so that residencies selecting their residents would

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Speaker 5: not know how students rank. And the pressure is now on,

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Speaker 5: of course, to change step one step two, and pressure

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Speaker 5: is on. We are already getting rid of the traditional

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Speaker 5: standards for medical society honor societies, moving away from academic

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Speaker 5: achievement into community involvement, which basically means you're agitating for

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Speaker 5: more racial preferences in medical schools or more racial hiring

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Speaker 5: in medical faculty as a student.

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Speaker 3: You know, Heather, I know you're up on this too.

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Speaker 3: In the recent or firmative Action decision that came down,

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Speaker 3: Justice Jackson had this line about how I think it

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Speaker 3: was a black baby has doubled the survival rate if

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Speaker 3: that baby has a black doctor delivering it versus a

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Speaker 3: white doctor.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the passage I'm talking about? Yes?

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Speaker 5: And it was completely misread. The study itself was wrong,

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Speaker 5: and she misread this. It's preposterous. This is a topic

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Speaker 5: that is really taboo to study. But I was recently

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Speaker 5: told about a health economist at Harvard who figured out

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Speaker 5: a way to come up with some randomized control sample

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Speaker 5: to see how people with heart attacks that were driving

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Speaker 5: on the roads did in hospitals and managed to correlate

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Speaker 5: it to race of doctors. And the results were so

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Speaker 5: damning that the guy didn't publish the paper because he

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Speaker 5: knew that if he did, his career would be over.

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Speaker 5: And so it just goes to short. You know, either

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Speaker 5: we really do not believe that there's such a thing

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Speaker 5: as academic merit, and that it's actually possible that there's

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Speaker 5: some people that actually no calculus, and I don't there's

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Speaker 5: some people who actually understand physics, and I don't. If

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Speaker 5: we don't believe that, then les, let's get rid of

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Speaker 5: all testing. Let's just admit students based on a lottery.

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Speaker 5: You know, if the schools really believe this, they're complete hypocrites.

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Speaker 5: They take absolutely contradictory positions that on the one hand, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: we don't really want to pay too much attention to scores.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, they continue to do so. But

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Speaker 5: if they really didn't believe that the scores matter, they

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Speaker 5: should just admit students by lottery. But of course it

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Speaker 5: does matter. We all experience there's people who are better

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Speaker 5: at academic tasks than others, and those are the ones

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Speaker 5: that we should be selecting, as you say, for our doctors,

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Speaker 5: for our pilots. And right now everywhere we look rass

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Speaker 5: trumping merit and we have decided as a society that

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Speaker 5: we would rather have diversity than meritocracy, because at present

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Speaker 5: you can't have both. The academic skills gap is so

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Speaker 5: great that any time at an institution proudly proclaims we

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Speaker 5: are pursuing diversity, here's how you uncode that statement. It

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Speaker 5: means we have jettison to meritocracy.

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Speaker 2: I think this is also important, Julie.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back to the first bit of

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Speaker 1: information you were sharing, that Duke study. Sorry, Heather, Julie's

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Speaker 1: coming up next, Heather, that first study that you shared

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Speaker 1: with us. What you're saying, I think this is so

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Speaker 1: important and I want to hammer at home. Is if

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Speaker 1: you are a black kid who's admitted, let's say, to Duke,

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Speaker 1: and you go in thinking, hey, I did pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I want to be a doctor, and you go in

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Speaker 1: or scientist, and you go into that first year biology

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Speaker 1: class and you get a d because you are going

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Speaker 1: head to head with the most supremely talented kids who

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Speaker 1: all want to be doctors. Right, there's a huge percentage

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Speaker 1: of kids that go into Duke thinking I want to

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Speaker 1: be a doctor, and then you get the cold, hard

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Speaker 1: slap of reality in physics, or you get it in

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Speaker 1: high level biology, and you end up dropping back and

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Speaker 1: you're a major in some soft social sciences because it's

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Speaker 1: harder to get exposed. I think this is true, and

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Speaker 1: I was a history major. I think it's harder to

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Speaker 1: get exposed in history or English, which is why a

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Speaker 1: lot of you out there ended up history or English

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Speaker 1: majors like me, then you would if you went into

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Speaker 1: a hard science or a hard math. But if that

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Speaker 1: kid had not gone to Duke. Let's say instead, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take a shot here, but let's

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Speaker 1: say that kid who goes to Duke instead goes to

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Speaker 1: NC State.

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Speaker 2: He might end up a.

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Speaker 1: Doctor because the quality of the class in math, in science,

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Speaker 1: the difficulty of it is better matched with his or

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Speaker 1: her academic I think that's so key. You're actually penalizing

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Speaker 1: the kid and he's not achieving what he otherwise would

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Speaker 1: have by going to a school that's so far above

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Speaker 1: his academic ability.

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Speaker 5: It's an absolutely cruel and heartless and self involved policy

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Speaker 5: on the part of these academic administrators that are determined

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Speaker 5: to look out on their faces. You know they're suitably

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Speaker 5: diverse faces. It's putting black students at a disadvantage. It

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Speaker 5: is subjected them to psychological stress. And the real key

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Speaker 5: here is that this whole discourse is so nauseatingly elitist.

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Speaker 5: The heads of Harvard and Yale and UC Berkeley all say, well,

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Speaker 5: where will we get the future leaders of tomorrow if

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Speaker 5: we can't have racial affirmative action. That catapults black students

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Speaker 5: into our schools who are not prepared. The idea is

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Speaker 5: is that if they do go to North Carolina State University,

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Speaker 5: or you see Riverside or you see a Santa Cruz

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Speaker 5: or Irvine, that that's just the end of the world.

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Speaker 5: They can't possibly compete, they can't possibly become leaders. That's

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Speaker 5: just a lie. And the mystery in this whole debate

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Speaker 5: is why these colleges that are not the name brand

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Speaker 5: IVY leagues haven't stood up for themselves and said, excuse me,

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Speaker 5: if students go to my school, they will be just

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Speaker 5: as prepared to go to medical school or law school.

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Speaker 5: They will be just as prepared to be leaders in

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Speaker 5: their community. We offer a completely sound and excellent education.

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Speaker 5: But we're all supposed to believe that if it's the

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Speaker 5: end of the world for black students to go to

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Speaker 5: a school for which they are academically matched with thousands

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Speaker 5: and thousands of other white and Asian and Hispanic students,

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Speaker 5: why should any student suffer that disability. Why don't we

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Speaker 5: shut down North Carolina State University, Bates College, you know,

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Speaker 5: you name it, North Carolina, any of them, all the

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Speaker 5: whole California state university systems shut them all down because

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Speaker 5: it's the end of the world for somebody who goes there,

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Speaker 5: and so that everybody can go to Harvard and Yale.

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Speaker 2: Excellent point, Heather McDowell.

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Speaker 3: Everybody check out her piece in the Spectator on how

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Speaker 3: firmative action was hurting the black students.

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Speaker 2: Heather, thanks so much for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, claim, But look, this could go down

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Speaker 3: as the worst government powagram in history. According to brilliant

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Speaker 3: economists and author in doctor Nomi Prince, our financial system

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Speaker 3: could soon spiral into chaos. She's speaking about a dangerous

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Speaker 3: new program put forward by the blind administration. This isn't

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Speaker 3: about banning gas powered cars, but about a total ban

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Speaker 3: on cash itself. She sees the launch of a new

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Speaker 3: technology called fed now. It's an attack on our cash,

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Speaker 3: according to doctor Prince, and also on an attack on

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Speaker 3: your privacy. May well affect your ability to spend your

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Speaker 3: money when you see fit. Soon, something as simple as

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Speaker 3: buying a cup of coffee may cause an alarm at

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Speaker 3: the irs. Huge changes are coming this summer, starting as

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Speaker 3: early as this month July. You should get the facts,

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Speaker 3: and you should do so at a specially built website

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Speaker 3: with a lot of information. The website address is disappearing.

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Speaker 3: Dollar dot com again, that's disappearing dollar dot com. Go

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Speaker 3: there now paid for by rogue Economics.

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Speaker 2: Get to know the guys outside the issues. Sunday hanged

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Speaker 1: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. That was fantastic, Heather McDonald. I love how

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Speaker 1: she just brings facts because we're all entitled to our opinions.

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Speaker 1: My mom used to say all the time, Buck, you know,

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Speaker 1: opinions are like butts. Everybody's got one. And I think

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Speaker 1: even in today's post biological reality, I think that's still true.

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Speaker 1: But facts matter, and facts have to be the essence

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Speaker 1: of any argument. And what she said is so compelling

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Speaker 1: and no one will address it. And that is that

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Speaker 1: actually being mismatched, which does make sense if you just

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Speaker 1: think about it intuitively and take away race if you

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Speaker 1: are trying to do and I think it's math and science,

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Speaker 1: which is a perfect example of it, because you can't

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Speaker 1: b es it. Listen to Kamala Harris talk. Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: could graduate with a degree in philosophy or a degree

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Speaker 1: in psychology, or a degree in history, or a degree

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Speaker 1: in English, the soft majors in college and a lot

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Speaker 1: of you that's where your skill set is. That's where

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Speaker 1: my skill set was. But if I had rolled into

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Speaker 1: high level, you know, math and science courses, my lack

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Speaker 1: of knowledge would get exposed there. And that makes total

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Speaker 1: sense to me that these kids who get into Duke

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Speaker 1: that have no business being there up with far worse outcomes.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to take a shot at NC

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Speaker 1: State because we're number one in Raleigh and we love

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Speaker 1: everybody listening in Raleigh. But it's not the same academic

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Speaker 1: heavyweight that Duke is. They could succeed there.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: The point is also not about giving people opportunity, really,

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Speaker 3: and this is what she's getting at. Fundamentally, the point

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Speaker 3: is to hand out Harvard and Yale and Duke degrees

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Speaker 3: like a spoil system, and that the point is not

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Speaker 3: you're black, you're Latino, you're Native American, you're white, whatever

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Speaker 3: you know. Did you earn your point? Did you get

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Speaker 3: a great education at Duke. It's you have a Duke degree.

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Speaker 3: Now you're gonna get great jobs because remember the affirmative

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Speaker 3: action pipeline doesn't stop in college.

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Speaker 2: So you get the Duke degree.

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Speaker 3: You know what comes next, the affirmative action hiring at

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Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs. You get the affirmative action hiring Goldman Sacks.

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Speaker 3: You know what comes next, the affirmative action promotion to

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Speaker 3: you know, VP or menity director. And then if you

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Speaker 3: don't make it beyond that, you know what comes next.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, So maybe a lawsuit about racial discrimination.

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Speaker 3: You get your ten million dollar payout. That is the

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Speaker 3: spoil system that everybody who knows how it functions understands,

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Speaker 3: and that is what they are trying to maintain. This

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Speaker 3: is not about the best education possible for minorities. This

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Speaker 3: is not you know that are applying to these schools.

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Speaker 3: This is not about you know, making sure that people

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Speaker 3: are as well equipped as possible to be leaders of

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Speaker 3: the future. As she pointed out, this is I want

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Speaker 3: a fancy degree. I didn't earn it. I think society's unfair.

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Speaker 3: So society has to give some people who didn't earn

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Speaker 3: it through skill a degree based on social justice. That's

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Speaker 3: all this is. It's credential handouts.

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Speaker 1: Also, buck it leads to a lower quality of doctor because.

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Speaker 2: That's why I've brought up the doctor things. Well, but

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Speaker 2: our heart surgeon matters.

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Speaker 1: I think it's so important because that kid who went

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Speaker 1: to Duke probably does have a higher academic credentialing than

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Speaker 1: the kid who went to a lower level school. But

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Speaker 1: the kid who goes to the lower level school may

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Speaker 1: fit better there, and so he ends up with a

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Speaker 1: better outcome, but it's not the better outcome for society.

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Speaker 1: We want the smartest doctors imaginable, right, so.

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Speaker 3: We want to keep they keep chasing this down and

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Speaker 3: trying to to the point that was making trying to

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Speaker 3: get rid of, you know, the corners of meritocracy that

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Speaker 3: are left, you know, even within medicine specialization and residency

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Speaker 3: and there's all these other you know, how good are

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Speaker 3: you at this?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yep? And this is.

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Speaker 3: Why you say, okay, uh, do you want somebody who's

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Speaker 3: going to be a brain surgeon to be the best

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Speaker 3: possible or do you want somebody who is an inspirational

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Speaker 3: story to others and to like, you know, corporations that'll

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Speaker 3: prove I think you just want the best brain surgeon.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to hop on an airplane, buck, You know what,

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Speaker 1: I care about the person landing the plane.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a damn about anything else.

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Speaker 1: Slavee Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of

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Speaker 1: truth

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