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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist put on your radar.
Speaker 5: Yes, indeed on our radar for sure. And we're going
Speaker 5: to hear from Beth W. When we come back from
Speaker 5: this quick word, and we're back with a message from
Speaker 5: Beth W. Hipping us to a quite disturbing story, the
Speaker 5: kind of thing that would not feel out of place
Speaker 5: on like an episode of American Horror Story or something
Speaker 5: along those lines. And not to make light of this
Speaker 5: type of tragedy at all, it's just the level of
Speaker 5: macabre ness of the story really does kind of make
Speaker 5: your mind wander in those directions.
Speaker 6: So a little bit of a trigger warning here.
Speaker 5: This does involve a pretty disturbing death of a young
Speaker 5: woman in Halifax, Nova, Scotia. And here comes Beth's note, Hey, guys,
Speaker 5: maybe for your strange news segment. Aha, we preempted it
Speaker 5: by putting it on our listener mail segment to honor you, Bell,
Speaker 5: you could share that an employee of a Halifax Nova
Speaker 5: Scotia Walmart died and what appears to be an incident
Speaker 5: where she was baked alive inside the bakery oven on
Speaker 5: Saturday nights.
Speaker 6: As we read this, this would have been last week.
Speaker 5: Very perplexing as these usually have fail saves allowing an
Speaker 5: employee to get out while inside and the door is
Speaker 5: don't automatically locked when shut, it needs to be manually
Speaker 5: turned on. You can definitely use my name and info
Speaker 5: on air. BETHW Did you guys heard about this?
Speaker 2: I did. I heard that it had happened, but I
Speaker 2: was honestly too nervous to read the article because this
Speaker 2: sounds like a true horror story as you're saying, and
Speaker 2: couldn't be a better day to be talking about it.
Speaker 5: No, it's very true, and our thoughts are with the
Speaker 5: mother of this young woman, who, unfortunately and even more disturbingly,
Speaker 5: was the one who found her daughter after having been
Speaker 5: exposed to this horrific situation that took her life.
Speaker 6: So young too, absolutely nineteen years old.
Speaker 5: Halifax Regional police have now released more details about the
Speaker 5: workplace death of a nineteen year old woman at Walmart.
Speaker 5: The woman this is coming from by the way CBC
Speaker 5: article written by staff. The woman, who was an employee
Speaker 5: of the store, was found in a large oven belonging
Speaker 5: to the store's bakery department. A Lease said in a
Speaker 5: news release on Tuesday afternoon. The investigation has not reached
Speaker 5: a point where cause and manner of death have been confirmed,
Speaker 5: and they have not released her name. There is information
Speaker 5: floating around that this woman and her mother are members
Speaker 5: of the Sikh community and had actually moved to Halifax,
Speaker 5: Nova Scotia from India to kind of start a new life.
Speaker 5: That's all we have currently as far as their identities
Speaker 5: and their community background. Sources have told CBC News that
Speaker 5: the oven bakery or does not lock. It is a
Speaker 5: commercial oven, commercial model that is large enough for a
Speaker 5: human being to step inside for mass bakings of bread and.
Speaker 6: Pastries and what have you, a commercial kitchen situation.
Speaker 5: A statement from a Walmart spokesperson said that the store
Speaker 5: has been temporarily closed while we cooperate fully with the investigation.
Speaker 5: This is from Amanda Moss, who is a representative of Walmart.
Speaker 5: She said that employees will continue to be paid for
Speaker 5: their shifts they have been scheduled to work while the
Speaker 5: store is closed. In an email to CBC, she said,
Speaker 5: we will consider alternate work arrangements in the event the
Speaker 5: store remains closed for longer than anticipated period of time.
Speaker 5: The Provincial Department of Labor said that it was providing
Speaker 5: twenty four to seven virtual care to employees, including grief
Speaker 5: counseling and trauma counseling at an off site location. There
Speaker 5: have been tributes to the young woman. Balbears seeing Is,
Speaker 5: the secretary of the Maritime Seek Society, said on Tuesday
Speaker 5: that they the organization has been in touch with the
Speaker 5: mother of the nineteen year old girl and again had
Speaker 5: learned those details of their immigrating from India to Canada
Speaker 5: around three years ago. Her statement reads, it's a really
Speaker 5: tragic incident. Everybody is deeply hurt by this and we
Speaker 5: were waiting for the police investigation to come out. Constable
Speaker 5: Martin Cromwell said of the investigation that it is complex.
Speaker 5: We just want to encourage the public be patient with
Speaker 5: our investigation, to be mindful that there are family members
Speaker 5: and co workers involved, and there was another piece that
Speaker 5: I found by Rebecca Lao writing for the Global News
Speaker 5: that indicated.
Speaker 6: What I had said. The mother of the young woman
Speaker 6: is who actually found her.
Speaker 5: It says here in that piece of quote, a young
Speaker 5: beautiful girl who came to Canada with big dreams. Is
Speaker 5: how a nineteen year old Halifax Walmart employees being remembered
Speaker 5: as her friends and family struggle with the devastating details
Speaker 5: of her death. A lot of this information is again
Speaker 5: coming from the maritime seek community. The officials involved in
Speaker 5: the investigation have urged members of the public and employees
Speaker 5: fellow employees at the Walmart to not be tempted to
Speaker 5: read into Internet rumors. As we know in a situation
Speaker 5: like this has been often says in the absence of facts,
Speaker 5: speculation thrives, So that.
Speaker 6: Is absolutely happening.
Speaker 5: I found a pretty robust Reddit page citing some of
Speaker 5: the articles that I mentioned, and with a lot of
Speaker 5: folks chiming in about the preventable nature of this death.
Speaker 5: One user wrote in I work in a bakery with
Speaker 5: a walk at oven. It should have been unplugged before cleaning.
Speaker 5: There is also a handle release on the inside. This
Speaker 5: is absolutely a preventable track. A couple that were really
Speaker 5: stood out to me. Again, I hate that I just said,
Speaker 5: don't lean on internet speculation, and then I go about
Speaker 5: reading several pieces of internet speculation. But I do think
Speaker 5: there's something to be said about people who have worked
Speaker 5: in these types of environments before giving their personal perspective.
Speaker 5: So let's not be rumor mongering here, but I do
Speaker 5: think some of these posts are of value. The craziest part,
Speaker 5: one other users said, is that it happened at nine
Speaker 5: thirty PM. No baking or cooking in either Delhi or
Speaker 5: bakery should be taking place at any Walmart at that time. Cleaning, yes,
Speaker 5: the walk in ovens have multiple steps before they are
Speaker 5: turned on. Here's a speculation this has to be foul play.
Speaker 6: A lot of the.
Speaker 5: Speculations coming from TikTok. As another user points out, this
Speaker 5: is the first that I've seen mention this idea of
Speaker 5: this should not have been plugged in, and this is
Speaker 5: after hours. I never worked for Walmart, so I don't know,
Speaker 5: but that's crazy. If the oven wasn't even supposed to
Speaker 5: be on at that time, one makes you wonder how
Speaker 5: this can happen. How does one get trapped in a
Speaker 5: walk in oven? What's the safety protocol? Who was responsible
Speaker 5: to make sure nobody was in the oven before turning
Speaker 5: it on? My deepest status goes out to her family,
Speaker 5: rip Walmart employees, pray for her that this.
Speaker 6: Never happens again.
Speaker 5: A lot of these things are very valid, and it
Speaker 5: does kind of, you know, attract the mind to the
Speaker 5: notion that this could well have been orchestrated in some
Speaker 5: way because of the whole how you get locked in
Speaker 5: unless it was just like a perfect storm of malfunctions.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are calling for this closure period
Speaker 5: of Walmart to extend to other Walmart bakeries and then
Speaker 5: incorporate a new regime of training to reassess these kinds
Speaker 5: of safety protocols.
Speaker 6: So I'll leave it at that. I think that sums
Speaker 6: up the story pretty well.
Speaker 5: We don't have a whole hell of a lot of
Speaker 5: additional detail, But guys, where does your mind jump to
Speaker 5: when you hear some of these initition reports.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking for the in this time of tremendous tragedy,
Speaker 3: maybe we could add something that is at least slightly positive.
Speaker 3: It is very smart to institute a new training regimen.
Speaker 3: Right A young lady has died in a preventable death.
Speaker 3: In slightly positive news, if you go to the go
Speaker 3: fund me for the family for the surviving family members,
Speaker 3: you will see that they have raised quite a bit
Speaker 3: of funding to help support the family. And I think
Speaker 3: it's terrible that there has to be a GoFundMe in
Speaker 3: these kind of situations. But if you were listening, you're
Speaker 3: familiar with this story and you have donated, thank you
Speaker 3: for doing, you know, the right thing and helping. I
Speaker 3: just can't imagine, you know, finding your own child in
Speaker 3: that of an And it reminds me no a bit
Speaker 3: of the terrible what's the word used earlier? The macabre
Speaker 3: historical situation of refrigerator death right right, which launched an
Speaker 3: overall comprehensive redesign of refrigerators. That was when people, often children,
Speaker 3: would go into a refrigerator and then find themselves locked in.
Speaker 3: But we're saying this is not the case. We know
Speaker 3: that the body burned, but was there has there at
Speaker 3: this point been any indication of maybe cause of death before?
Speaker 3: Was there suffocation or asphyxiation involved?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have that level of detail yet, though
Speaker 5: from everything that I'm seeing, it does appear that this
Speaker 5: was a not burning alive, but like death by you know, overheating.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine what the state of her body would
Speaker 5: have been. You know, even if it was on a
Speaker 5: low heat and the and the door was locked, you
Speaker 5: could absolutely die from you know, a heat stroke of
Speaker 5: some kind, even if you weren't actually burned alive. I mean,
Speaker 5: I sure hope it wasn't that, but either way, it's
Speaker 5: a horrible, slow, and terrifying way to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know yet, but we do know. It's
Speaker 2: an intensive investigation. That's why the Walmart is still closed, fully, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's the whole point, yeh, gathering as much
Speaker 2: details as they possibly can. I want to point one
Speaker 2: thing out, guys. There are over four thousand, six hundred
Speaker 2: Walmart locations inside the United States. Correct bakeries have been
Speaker 2: included in many, if not most, of those stores that
Speaker 2: are called like a supercenter, you know, that have all
Speaker 2: the food, like the grocery section and everything. And this
Speaker 2: is the first time I've heard of anything happening like this.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean to be on Walmart training side,
Speaker 2: but like, obviously they're doing something right. That constitutes a
Speaker 2: whole lot of workers who are dealing with the ovens
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. Right, this is the first time
Speaker 2: we've heard of something like this. It does feel like
Speaker 2: something is going well there. People understand how everything functions
Speaker 2: for the most part. I think maybe in my mind
Speaker 2: that's why this makes me lean towards something was off
Speaker 2: and it wasn't just a malfunctioning piece of equipment. That's
Speaker 2: what it. I mean, that's what makes me feel that way.
Speaker 3: And just for a further context there, I love that
Speaker 3: you're pointing out the numbers in the US. There are
Speaker 3: four hundred and three Walmart stores of some sort in
Speaker 3: Canada overall. So again I think despite that lower number,
Speaker 3: the point earlier established does hold. This is highly anomalous.
Speaker 2: Exactly because there's going to be small differences just on
Speaker 2: building code and things like that right between a US
Speaker 2: Walmart and a Canadian Walmart. But ultimately a lot of
Speaker 2: the equipment is going to be similar, if not exactly
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 5: Number sent this is something that we will definitely be
Speaker 5: keeping an eye on.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Another thing that's seems to be pretty common in the
Speaker 5: discourse around this is that there would appear to be
Speaker 5: a pretty good case for legal action here.
Speaker 6: No matter what might have happened, wrongful death, what have you.
Speaker 5: Because if it was foul play, you know, who knows
Speaker 5: what that will amount to. But if it was just
Speaker 5: some sort of horrible malfunction or breakdown in safety protocols,
Speaker 5: safety procedures, or training, that's going to ultimately be on Walmart.
Speaker 5: But we also know that Walmart and companies like them
Speaker 5: have access to top notch stables of attorneys that will
Speaker 5: likely get this settled out of court and then, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of make it go away, which is sad, you know,
Speaker 5: when these companies don't have to answer for things like this.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that there's some systematic neglect of
Speaker 5: this magnitude, you know, on a you know, company level
Speaker 5: with Walmart.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously they've got a lot of issues, but I.
Speaker 5: Don't think that they're intentionally trying to burn employees alive
Speaker 5: and walk in ovens. But whatever the case might be,
Speaker 5: some is going to fall to Walmart to answer for this. Well,
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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and guys, we're jumping to the emails again,
Speaker 2: this time to a message from Fatigued and Flying. And
Speaker 2: here is our message. Fatigued and Flying says Fatigued and Flying.
Speaker 2: Here thought y'all would like to see this. A Boeing
Speaker 2: manufactured satellite quote exploded after experiencing a quote anomaly. Barring
Speaker 2: any current expectation of Boeing, does this say anything about
Speaker 2: a foreign assets ability to remove satellites of opposing forces?
Speaker 2: Something we've talked about. Fatigued and Flying keep the greasy
Speaker 2: side down. Fatigued and Flying, it's fun.
Speaker 6: To say that.
Speaker 2: Oh and and we got a link you guys. It's
Speaker 2: a link to a CBS News article from October twenty third,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four by Carrie Breen. And here's the title.
Speaker 2: Boeing satellite explodes in space after experiencing and quote anomaly.
Speaker 2: So let's just go through it real quick. Well, first
Speaker 2: of all, have you guys heard about this? Did it
Speaker 2: pop up on the news feeds?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mentioned I mentioned briefly in our Strange News
Speaker 3: earlier this week. The yes, yeah. First off, fatigue of flying, man,
Speaker 3: I love it when you write in. And you guys know,
Speaker 3: I've got this aviation session going. One of the most
Speaker 3: cynical but still chuckle worthy terms I've heard for this
Speaker 3: in the industry is r u D Rapid unplanned disassembly.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great, that's really great.
Speaker 3: It makes you wonder how often stuff like that has
Speaker 3: to happen for there to be an abbreviation for it.
Speaker 2: But or the way they describe explosions sometimes as instantaneous
Speaker 2: and high energy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I dated, I dated someone like that. Okay,
Speaker 3: but like to your earlier point, Yeah, we've talked about
Speaker 3: some of this in the past. There's a lot going
Speaker 3: on in space, and we know that rival powers have
Speaker 3: been kind of diplomatically showing each other that they possessed
Speaker 3: the technology to knock something out of orbit. But Matt,
Speaker 3: from my understanding, the reporting seems to say this is
Speaker 3: not the case, at least what I've read.
Speaker 6: What have you seen?
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to the article that fatigued and Flying
Speaker 2: sent us. It says that the US Space Force is
Speaker 2: tracking debris in space after this Boeing satellite exploded. And
Speaker 2: they say it exploded, Okay, very clear about that. It
Speaker 2: didn't malfunction and turn off and they couldn't access it
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 3: No declining orbit or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, the satellite went boom, So keep that
Speaker 2: in mind as we're going on here. The satellite is
Speaker 2: titled the Intel Sat thirty three E. It was launched
Speaker 2: back in August twenty sixteen. It provides communications of ross Europe,
Speaker 2: Asia and Africa. And again they keep describing it as
Speaker 2: experiencing an anomaly, and that is according to Intel Sat.
Speaker 2: That's the people who manufactured and control this satellite. They
Speaker 2: put out a press release as it happened, and we
Speaker 2: can get to that too. We can tell you how
Speaker 2: to find that, but we're staying in CBS News for
Speaker 2: a moment. Attempts were made to work with Boeing to
Speaker 2: repair the satellite, but on Monday, US Space Force said,
Speaker 2: no on, I'd exploded, right, okay, so what do we
Speaker 2: try to repair what's happening? You have to imagine sometimes
Speaker 2: the way a satellite works, Like if you're working with
Speaker 2: this SYNC, you don't have a video feed of the
Speaker 2: satellite flying through the air. Generally, maybe on some of
Speaker 2: the newer ones, you could attach cameras to the satellite
Speaker 2: itself that you would use and get a you know,
Speaker 2: continuous feed from the satellite itself. I mean especially as
Speaker 2: a spy satellite or something. You're gonna see, Oh okay,
Speaker 2: I've got a video feed, but you're not gonna have
Speaker 2: a camera on the satellite. Does that make sense? You
Speaker 2: can't watch it flying through space. You just have to
Speaker 2: connect to that satellite systems to confirm that it's still
Speaker 2: up there working properly. And I imagine on the Intel
Speaker 2: Sat side, you're like, oh, guys, we can't seem to
Speaker 2: connect to the Intel Sat thirty three E. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what's going on. We're not getting any readings, we're
Speaker 2: not getting I can't send anything to it. What's happening?
Speaker 2: And then you know, somebody like Space Force comes along
Speaker 2: and just says, oh, yes, we've been tracking the debris field.
Speaker 2: Or you would listen to ross Cosmos, which is the
Speaker 2: Russian side that stated on October twenty second that they
Speaker 2: have been tracking eighty pieces of wreckage that they say
Speaker 2: constitute the destroyed Intel Sat thirty three E. I don't know, okay,
Speaker 2: So then it makes you wonder Intel SATs people didn't
Speaker 2: understand immediately what was happening. They didn't understand that this
Speaker 2: satellite had exploded. What are the mechanisms that can just
Speaker 2: make a satellite like that go boom, And the first
Speaker 2: thing that comes to my mind, you guys, is running
Speaker 2: into some kind of wreckage the way of the way
Speaker 2: we've talked about the space debris that already exists in
Speaker 2: orbit and done, you take much exactly a fairly small piece.
Speaker 2: And we should even mention this, guys, this is a
Speaker 2: huge satellite. This isn't a tiny little one like you
Speaker 2: imagine some of the newer ones that have been going
Speaker 2: up with SpaceX where they're launching, you know, dozens of
Speaker 2: smaller satellites. This thing, according to Intelsat's own press release
Speaker 2: when they talked about it in July twenty sixteen, this
Speaker 2: thing had to be shipped on an antonov An one
Speaker 2: twenty four now, ben through car stuff and through your
Speaker 2: other expirations. Have you heard of that one in particular?
Speaker 2: That plane?
Speaker 3: Yes, not an expert, have never been on one myself.
Speaker 2: But it's it. It reminds me of the sea, is
Speaker 2: it the C one thirty? No, what are they called
Speaker 2: the giant the giant cargo planes.
Speaker 6: That the US uses.
Speaker 2: See big boys, the big boys. Yeah, it's like that,
Speaker 2: but then even larger. It's it's Russian made It was
Speaker 2: actually designed you guys, by the USSR back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, but it was flown on one of those
Speaker 2: and it was the only way the satellite could get
Speaker 2: from the Boeing manufacturing facility to French Guiana, where it
Speaker 2: ended up being launched for the European Space Agency. So
Speaker 2: it was it filled the entire cargo space of the
Speaker 2: largest plane available in the world.
Speaker 3: Oh and this is the thing, folks, even if you're
Speaker 3: not aviation nerds like us, it's good to look up
Speaker 3: the ant ANDOV because I believe, Matt, that is the
Speaker 3: one where the whole it's like, I think it's the
Speaker 3: whole front opens up. I almost said the whole butt,
Speaker 3: but the whole front opens up like a deep sea fish.
Speaker 2: Both sides can open up, so you can like really
Speaker 2: pack that baby in and then close it up. It's
Speaker 2: it's crazy looking and it's absolutely massive, and this satellite
Speaker 2: basically filled the entire thing. So this is a huge
Speaker 2: thing flaw like just flying through space up there and
Speaker 2: it just explodes, which just leads to more speculation, obviously,
Speaker 2: and we can't who knows what happened will likely never
Speaker 2: know because it will probably be classified to some extent
Speaker 2: if there's actually something nefarious that happened. But if if
Speaker 2: it was just a malfunction, what the heck was the
Speaker 2: satellite doing? What were its capabilities? It seems to be
Speaker 2: just a communications satellite, at least on paper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the uh, that's the badger in the bag, right,
Speaker 3: that's our space pickle. It can be difficult. It's almost
Speaker 3: like nuclear energy development versus nuclear weapon development. The same
Speaker 3: capabilities that a satellite can have for communication can be weaponized.
Speaker 3: So unless you're inside those meetings or you're read onto
Speaker 3: whatever they're actually doing, you just sort of have to
Speaker 3: take them at their word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, I feel like we're gonna find out that
Speaker 2: there's some kind of clandestine and hey, I'm joking when
Speaker 2: I say this, Okay, I feel like we're gonna learn
Speaker 2: that there's some clandestine airbus agency that exists, and their
Speaker 2: entire existence is based on taking down Boeing in every
Speaker 2: possible aspect, right, So like taking out the satellites, making
Speaker 2: sure there's space capsules don't function, making sure their planes
Speaker 2: fall out of the.
Speaker 3: Sky, just getting a ticket by a window seat and
Speaker 3: fusing with the seal. Yeah, they're called the Airbusters.
Speaker 2: No, we are joking. That is not real.
Speaker 6: We are joking.
Speaker 2: Gosh, man, it's they just couldn't have worse luck or
Speaker 2: the worst business practices that you know, end up coming
Speaker 2: to light like.
Speaker 3: This, those poor Russians in the windows man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh. And why is it Boeing? Is because
Speaker 2: Boeing made this satellite. It was manufactured by in there Elsagundo, California.
Speaker 3: Facility, and like you said, in partnership with Intel SAT, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and then in partnership with the European Space Agency.
Speaker 3: Also brought to you by Church's Chicken.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, and quarter pounders with cheese only sometimes
Speaker 2: do you get sick?
Speaker 3: That's the new tagline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So well, is it possible then without casting aspersion? I
Speaker 3: know all four of us have been reading about this,
Speaker 3: Is it possible then that some of the same manufacturing
Speaker 3: defects or issues with quality control on Boeing commercial craft
Speaker 3: could have transferred over to like is there is there
Speaker 3: something nefarious of foots like in you know, a foreign
Speaker 3: power or the Airbuster's attacking or is it a problem
Speaker 3: with design?
Speaker 2: Right, well, let's learn a little bit more about Intel
Speaker 2: SAT to think about that. This is from one of
Speaker 2: their press releases when they put out on October nineteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. And actually let's go over this press
Speaker 2: release in a little more detail. As we get to
Speaker 2: that thing, we're just discussing their bin, like what could
Speaker 2: have been the problem? Why would somebody even target them?
Speaker 2: First of all, they noted that there was a service
Speaker 2: outage for their customers, and this was on October nineteenth,
Speaker 2: So what who are their customers and was the service
Speaker 2: outage under the about intel sat peace there on the
Speaker 2: press release, it says Intelsat's global team of professionals is
Speaker 2: focused on providing seamless and secure satellite based communications to
Speaker 2: government okay, NGO and commercial customers through the company's next
Speaker 2: generation Worldwide network and managed services.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a vague at all.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. With a giant satellite that's up
Speaker 2: there providing communications to always I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: think after our episodes on NGOs, every time I see
Speaker 2: that phrase show up, I see something show up where
Speaker 2: it's a non governmental organization, my brain says, oh, spine,
Speaker 2: but it's not that, and that's not what that means.
Speaker 2: My brain has that association.
Speaker 3: I think we're a little programmed at this point. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: our immediate what if questions and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3: There's a reason we hang out on this show. But also, Matt,
Speaker 3: just to give you the reassurance there and for all
Speaker 3: of our fellow listeners this evening, that is not an
Speaker 3: implausible or unreasonable question. It has a very good one
Speaker 3: when it comes to satellites.
Speaker 2: Well, especially considering certain hot conflicts that are occurring in
Speaker 2: Europe right now. You know, there's this country called Ukraine,
Speaker 2: this other one called Russia, and in North Korea.
Speaker 3: There's as Israel.
Speaker 2: Whatever, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I can't wait till Liechtenstein comes in.
Speaker 2: Man, there's some stuff going on, is what we're saying.
Speaker 2: And having satellite communications when you're operating, let's say, away
Speaker 2: from major cities in hot conflicts, it's really nice to
Speaker 2: have that satellite communication available. Well, if it's not available,
Speaker 2: you could disrupt operations in the air, on the ground
Speaker 2: and the CEE whatever. So there's a potential motive for
Speaker 2: somebody to want to take that satellite out if you could.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, but this was the thing from that October nineteenth
Speaker 2: release that we were into. Sorry I got lost a
Speaker 2: little bit, guys, but it says the satellite experienced an
Speaker 2: anomaly on the nineteenth, resulting in a loss of power
Speaker 2: and service to customers. We're working closely with Boeing, the manufacturer,
Speaker 2: to address the situation. Based on the information available to
Speaker 2: us in this moment on October nineteenth, we believe it
Speaker 2: is unlikely that the satellite will be recoverable. So they
Speaker 2: really it seems as though they didn't know it had
Speaker 2: fully failed and turned into you know, bits.
Speaker 3: And this didn't happen immediately, Matta believe the satellite was
Speaker 3: only it was like halfway through it's expected what we
Speaker 3: will call service life. So they this has been up
Speaker 3: for a minute. They didn't shoot it out and then
Speaker 3: see a catastrophic failure.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah. August twenty sixteen is when it was launched,
Speaker 2: so it's been operating for quite a while now. So
Speaker 2: weird one, guys. I don't have much more but besides
Speaker 2: to say thank you so much, Fatigued and flying, what
Speaker 2: a great story. Thanks for putting it in front of us.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got to follow up on this after
Speaker 2: we talked about it on Strange News. That makes me
Speaker 2: very happy, and we will We'll be right back with
Speaker 2: more messages from you.
Speaker 3: And we have returned. You know, folks, we often use
Speaker 3: our listener mail program as an opportunity to discover episodes
Speaker 3: with you in the future. We're grateful for your help.
Speaker 3: One thing to stay on the Boeing conversation here this
Speaker 3: really quickly. This is coming to us from Anonymous. Anonymous says,
Speaker 3: I am a Boeing employee and the layoff news is
Speaker 3: not going well. We haven't really talked about the timing
Speaker 3: of the layoffs and the reported losses of Boeing in
Speaker 3: conjunction with the unfortunate events up there in the rarefied air.
Speaker 3: Anonymous says, my area won't be affected until the second round.
Speaker 3: This means we won't be notified until December twenty first
Speaker 3: Great Christmas Present. We are trying to pick up rate
Speaker 3: on my program shortly after that time. So it makes
Speaker 3: perfect sense to fire a bunch of people right when
Speaker 3: you need to hire people. As you can imagine, morale
Speaker 3: is high. The way layoffs are being handled, it appears
Speaker 3: that it is totally a short sighted way to make the
Speaker 3: shareholders happy now without looking at the future of the company. Oh,
Speaker 3: we planned to make planes, faster, cut labor, save cost.
Speaker 3: Not really going anywhere with that. That's just an addendum, Anonymous.
Speaker 3: You've asked us to protect your identity there. We just
Speaker 3: want to share this because we're hearing from a lot
Speaker 3: of folks who are associated with Boeing in one position
Speaker 3: or another. And one thing I think we can agree
Speaker 3: is unfair is the way this stuff is often getting reported.
Speaker 3: It seems to imply that what's going wrong is the
Speaker 3: fault of the employees, and that could not be further
Speaker 3: from the truth for sure. Yeah, So with that, we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about some software you should bear apparently
Speaker 3: some stuff, some stuff that is clearly bad. This comes
Speaker 3: to us from our pal who has not chosen a moniker.
Speaker 3: So to protect your identity, we are going to call
Speaker 3: you agent Zanzibar Love. It is that cool? Yes, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know them, you know them? So Zanzibar says, Hey, guys,
Speaker 3: listening to strange news in the lap today and had
Speaker 3: a few thoughts. First. Within the last few years, I
Speaker 3: have started diving into the world of sUAS sUAS small
Speaker 3: unmanned aerial systems drones drones for us the uncool and
Speaker 3: drones in the FAA acquiring a Part one O seven
Speaker 3: pilot's license. Congratulations zans Bar for drone commercial operation. One
Speaker 3: of the biggest discussions, says zan's Bar, is that the FAA,
Speaker 3: the Federal Aviation Administration, is considering a ban on all
Speaker 3: Chinese made devices. And this reminds me of our earlier
Speaker 3: conversation about those mystery drones out there of Virginia Way.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly how this is legal or you know,
Speaker 3: whatever the calculus is, but Zanzibar says, the alphabet soup
Speaker 3: agencies may be concerned that a company named Dji has
Speaker 3: been mining information gathered from drones operating in the US
Speaker 3: land surveying building three D models of structures, monitoring construction,
Speaker 3: and that drones may have chemical spray tanks for agricultural
Speaker 3: applications that might be might be weaponized potentially. Why might
Speaker 3: ask sans Bar, certain individuals owning manufacturing companies in this
Speaker 3: drone space or autonomous vehicle space in general, Why would
Speaker 3: the folks doing that in the US be interested in
Speaker 3: a ban on Chinese devices? Could they be pushing governmental
Speaker 3: agencies to adopt a ban? Okay, first question, Chinese software hardware,
Speaker 3: drones where we at guys for it, or again, well.
Speaker 2: Remember we talked about this when we talked about vehicles, right,
Speaker 2: or we at least mentioned it in one of these episodes.
Speaker 2: Pretty recently, I think strange news where the US was
Speaker 2: considering banning all Chinese parts in all cars and trucks
Speaker 2: that are in use in the United States, right for
Speaker 2: some of the same reasoning at least, Right, So, I
Speaker 2: wonder if this is like a blanket thing that's coming
Speaker 2: across all the federal agencies, or at least an attempt
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is fascinating because we have to ask
Speaker 3: ourselves what is the line between innovation and protectionism?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, there is, Like, look, if you're a fellow gearhead,
Speaker 3: then you know that Chinese auto manufacturers have some amazing
Speaker 3: vehicles that will never be sold here. Like they're crazy
Speaker 3: cool looking. I guess I have not just I have
Speaker 3: not entered one.
Speaker 2: Is maybe not safe?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know.
Speaker 5: It's everything's a trade off, right, Hey man, what's a
Speaker 5: little risk of bodily injury to looking cool?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sometimes just also try to have a feeling.
Speaker 2: You know, this isn't aside. My sister owns a Korean
Speaker 2: manufactured vehicle, and it is one of the coolest vehicle
Speaker 2: I guess I can say. It's an Ionic five. It's
Speaker 2: from Hyundai, and it just got in a terrible wreck,
Speaker 2: like a really bad wreck, with my sister in it.
Speaker 2: She and the kids who were in the car walked
Speaker 2: away just fine. They're fine. Well, I think my sister
Speaker 2: had like you know, whiplash and stuff, but that's just
Speaker 2: what happens when you get in an accident. But it
Speaker 2: was so safe in this pretty devastating wreck. So I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like I think, vehicle safety this is a
Speaker 2: whole other conversation, But I wonder how much of that
Speaker 2: is smoking mirrors to some extent, or how much of
Speaker 2: it is really, you know, an actually safe vehicle.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's a great point. It's kind of like the
Speaker 3: conversation about live golf, right, which is the criticisms from
Speaker 3: rival agencies back in the day not too long ago,
Speaker 3: seemed to come on two fronts. First, yes, valid concerns
Speaker 3: about human rights and sports washing, and then second, donate
Speaker 3: our lunch. And so I think you're quite astute to
Speaker 3: bring up the idea that there may be there may
Speaker 3: be ulterior motives in pushing for a software ban, especially
Speaker 3: in a world where you already have satellites everywhere, as
Speaker 3: long as they don't explore, or as long as they
Speaker 3: don't experience rapid unplanned disassembly like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a we have to question the motive here. We
Speaker 3: also have to give a shout out to Tennessee pal
Speaker 3: mister Fagan, who in the chat just alerted us to
Speaker 3: a big fan of Chinese made cars. The CEO of Ford,
Speaker 3: Jim Farley, is driving a Shaomi SU seven and he
Speaker 3: loves it.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: It's a really cool car.
Speaker 2: L Yeah, Dylan just shared a link and I just
Speaker 2: saw a picture of it. It is a nicely sweet
Speaker 2: looking sports car.
Speaker 3: And it's from a company that is primarily known for
Speaker 3: making consumer electronics and smartphones. The technology war is real, folks,
Speaker 3: or at least the cold technology competition, right. We also
Speaker 3: see that, Zanzibar, you have some really smart questions and
Speaker 3: concerns here. In one of the big ones that you note,
Speaker 3: again we're summarizing your letter. One of the big ones
Speaker 3: that you note is the following. It seems, as with
Speaker 3: many other things, there are certain people with unreasonable amounts
Speaker 3: of money that can push alphabet agencies to adopt bands
Speaker 3: to benefit their company, which may be a more valid
Speaker 3: reason to ban Chinese equipment than that the Chinese are
Speaker 3: actually using these things to spy on us while acquiring
Speaker 3: very limited data. Because again, satellites are already you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Satellites are already already up there. Satellites
Speaker 3: are blow it up ouch. So with this, I got
Speaker 3: to ask you, guys, do you think that the United
Speaker 3: States government should ban Chinese software and hardware on a
Speaker 3: large scale due to these concerns? HM shout out, TikTok.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 5: You know, I heard an interesting perspective on this, this
Speaker 5: notion that we hold popular foreign software companies, whether it
Speaker 5: be you know, things like social media or this type
Speaker 5: of thing, to a different standard than we like hold
Speaker 5: our own social media companies and software companies. Where it's
Speaker 5: almost like all of these accusations that are being hurled
Speaker 5: around at like byte edance or whatever. Let's say, TikTok,
Speaker 5: Facebook's been doing that stuff for years. You know, all
Speaker 5: of these these like there is no benevolence towards the
Speaker 5: consumer from domestic software companies. It's just not a thing
Speaker 5: it's all userists and trying to capitalize on people's vulnerabilities
Speaker 5: and whatever it might be. And then you get the
Speaker 5: product out as quickly as possible, make as much money
Speaker 5: as possible, and you know, safety and mental health be damned.
Speaker 6: I just don't. I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 3: I'm really stoked that you bring this up. I think
Speaker 3: it's a tremendous point. It's something that's been on one
Speaker 3: of my minds for a time as well. Like, so
Speaker 3: we know we can socially engineer and we can manipulate
Speaker 3: people through algorithms. To your point about mental health, Why
Speaker 3: right now is there not at least beat me here, Dylan?
Speaker 3: Why is there not at least one app that is
Speaker 3: social media in a way that is good for you? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Something that shows you affirming stuff,
Speaker 3: something that doesn't try to manipulate your base impulses. Is
Speaker 3: it just not profitable? Has just had? Did all the
Speaker 3: tech moguls wake up and say, nah, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: in today?
Speaker 2: I just asked Google, are there any social media apps
Speaker 2: that are good for your brain and the AI overview?
Speaker 2: I guess that I got back from Google says no
Speaker 2: social media apps are not good for your brain.
Speaker 3: Just one, just give us one. We've got a lot
Speaker 3: of disaffected aristocrats and decay billionaires in the crowd. You
Speaker 3: guys do it. You know we don't have the acumen there.
Speaker 3: We're leaning on you and we want you to keep
Speaker 3: us honest. And that is why we're going to end
Speaker 3: our Halloween listener mail with a bit of a maya culpa, gentleman,
Speaker 3: a letter from home. We have offended our fellow conspiracy
Speaker 3: You realis Brock.
Speaker 6: Not Brock, not the brocnest monster, not Brockampton.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no.
Speaker 6: Not broccoli with cheese sauce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the brocconado, not broca flower.
Speaker 2: He goes Brock. Uh. Well, you may not know this, Brock.
Speaker 2: You called in twice in a row a little while back,
Speaker 2: and I guess you maybe butt dialed us or something.
Speaker 2: But there's a couple of messages where it's just background
Speaker 2: stuff happening, and it's highly entertaining.
Speaker 5: But I analyzed all of it with a very advanced
Speaker 5: set of audio tools, and I know what you're up to, bro.
Speaker 6: And if not me tell you, oh, I know.
Speaker 3: If my satellite was still up there, this would be
Speaker 3: a very different conversation. I said it whatever, Dylan, keep
Speaker 3: it in all right, But Brock, you are keeping us honest.
Speaker 3: We are a big fan of the Brock Andado. I
Speaker 3: don't know why I like that word, but we want
Speaker 3: to you know, we want to take accountability here. So
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, rock and sponsor. And I'm calling because, uh,
Speaker 7: you reached an episode of the check Harbor UFO incident.
Speaker 2: That was a classic, right, Yes.
Speaker 7: Ben made uh dispairy dream or mark about somebody basically
Speaker 7: facing he's not at huff puffing maniac m someone who
Speaker 7: is a paint huffing maniac to defense. Oh no, reformed,
Speaker 7: still very taged, very tacked, very very uh very uh
Speaker 7: very defensive. H Anyway, good episodes, guys. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think our reputation is repaired. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's a fatal wound. But yes, apologies to all
Speaker 3: paint huffing maniacs, which is why I thought that conversation
Speaker 3: was interesting.
Speaker 5: It would have been a nice in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brock, Brockanado.
Speaker 6: Not here. Brock, I think you're a silly goose.
Speaker 3: I don't you can't look being a maniac does not
Speaker 3: mean you huff paint, and huffing paint does not automatically
Speaker 3: make you a mania. It does kind of for a second,
Speaker 3: for like eight minutes maybe, right, But you know, uh,
Speaker 3: there's there's some great paint out there. That's our main takeaway,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Who are we to judge?
Speaker 3: But we have miles to go before we sleep. We
Speaker 3: are keeping this one relatively brief. We hope everyone who
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