1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: your host, Mark kenyans episode number two fifty two, and 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: today in the show, I'm joined by Josh Further Hilliard 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: and my father to discuss the history of our family 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: deer camp and some of our favorite stories from along 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: the way. All right, we are back in the log 9 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: cabin with the wood burning stove and the propane lights, 10 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: and almost exactly one year or go, we're here, me 11 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: and Further talking about deer camp. And that was a 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: good chat, right, Josh, it was a good chat. It 13 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: was a good chat, but it was it was an 14 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: incomplete chat because it was it was just you and me, 15 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and we're missing a very important part of any deer camp. 16 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? Further, I think I've 17 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: got a pretty good idea. Yeah, it's the senior citizen regroup. 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: It's the senior member of the camp. We do have 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: a senior member of the camp, one of the senior 20 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: members of our camp. We don't have them all here today, 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: but we do have special guest, first time appearance on 22 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: the podcast many time appearance in My Life David Kenyon, 23 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: my dad. Welcome to the show. Dad, Thanks Mark, glad 24 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: to be here. And I gotta say, um, this is interesting, right. 25 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I haven't had the father's son dynamic on the show yet, 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: So I just gotta tell you. You can't go you 27 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: can't get too much into like proud dad mode like 28 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: you do sometimes. What am I going to talk about, Yetta, 29 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: try to stay unbiased, um, otherwise people are going to 30 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: turn this off real quick. I'm sure you can throw 31 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: a few things in there that will help. Yeah, yeah, 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you can. You can share the other side of things. UM. 33 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: But no, I'm really excited because you know, so much 34 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: of what makes this place special where we're at right 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: now is the history. And that is something that I 36 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about today because last time, when we 37 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: talk Deer Camp, me and further, we're kind of just 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: talking about the recent history, talking about our hunts up 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: here just recently, what was going on. Um. But there's 40 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: so much about this place that steeped in the past 41 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and one of my favorite things growing up. And I 42 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, if it's annoyed you 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: at all, it probably annoyed some people. UM, but I 44 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: just remember every time we were driving up to camp, 45 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: whoever I was sitting with in the backseat. Sometimes it's Terry, 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it was maybe you or Uncle Steve or Uncle 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: Bill or whoever might be. I was always asking him 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: to tell stories, like tell me about the first time 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: you got a dear, tell me about this one time 50 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: up at camp, or tell me about this year what 51 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: happened this time. I just loved all the stories at 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: the old days, um, and I still love the stories 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: the old days. So I'm hoping you can share some 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: of those stories of the old days. Um. So is 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: that something you're up for it? Yeah? Um, well good. 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: We're sitting here, we're drinking cold beverages. We got the 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: fire going. We just had um my wife's famous venice 58 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: and chili, and Josh made some great dear heart, so 59 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: we are borderline food coma. Yeah, So hopefully we can 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: stay awake for this one, um, because I think it's 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: it's it's always fun to talk about this stuff. But 62 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I guess before we get into those good old stories, 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: we should at least talk about what's happened here so far. Um. 64 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of a quick trip up 65 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: here to camp kind of two Jewish days too quick days. 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Um and dad, you and me, we have not seen 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: it a deer at all. Right, Um, so we don't 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: have a whole lot to share. But first you've been, 69 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: you've been kind of the star of the show. Yeah, 70 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: I've seen ten deer you guys, zero which is pretty 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: good for up here. He walk us through your runs. 72 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: What's happened so far? Yeah, well I got up here, 73 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: what a night A night before you guys. Um, I 74 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: got up Sunday night and uh not in time to hunt. 75 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: But my first hunt was Monday morning, and um, I'm 76 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: trying to remember what all even happened that morning. I 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: guess I saw. I saw four deer that morning. I 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: saw like a little four corn, a spike, a button buck, 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: and a dough. Um throughout the morning, just kind of slow, 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: slow morning, even though seeing those deers all kind of 81 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: um in a short time period where they came through, Um, 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: that was fun. I sat, I sat where Mark usually sits. 83 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I've snaked his spot since he wasn't here yet. He 84 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: couldn't say no, so he didn't set one of the 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: food plots that he usually sits, so that was fun 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: to sit somewhere. I hadn't I hadn't said. And interestingly, 87 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: the one time I let you hunt there, you hunt there, 88 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: and then all the subsequent hunts has been dirt. I 89 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: haven't seen a single deer, So you've you found some 90 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: way to really disturb the walk. I walked through the 91 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: whole food plot. I didn't wash my clothes. I could 92 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: dump in the middle of the field exactly. You turned 93 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: that star whole real quick for you. No, I didn't 94 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: do any of that. I snuck in there and snuck out. Um. 95 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: But um, yes, that was That was a good first morning. Um. 96 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we just don't We don't see a ton 97 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: of deer up here. So seeing four and once it 98 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: is pretty good and a good day. Two antlerd bucks 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: is is a in one set is a good day. Um. 100 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out that from the time I can 101 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: remember coming hunting up here, so if I have my 102 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: memory serves right, probably from the time I was like 103 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: six or seven is when I can start remembering hunts. 104 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: You know that I was up here dead right. I 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: was up here at six seven, eight years. You were 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: up here much earlier than year. But that I can remember, well, 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: I can't tell you what you can remember. I remember 108 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: about three years old at the bottom of the block. Yes, yes, okay, 109 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: So so I can remember though around like seven or 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: eight years old, because I remember I was seven at 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: ninety five, I remember that was the year that GP 112 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: killed a big one and Terry kills a big one. 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: So I remember that year, and I remember the year 114 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: before that, which is and Steve killed that night's eight 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: point So maybe six years old is when I can 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: remember those hunts. So from six all the way until 117 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: um until like I was like eighteen or nineteen, so 118 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: let's let's call it that whole time period, um, ten 119 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: twelve years or whatever. Um. I can remember seeing one, two, two, 120 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: I think two antler bucks. All those years of you 121 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: and me hunting together. I think we only got two 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: or three antlered bucks in a ten or twelve year period. 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: So it doesn't totally shocked man. It was probably the 124 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: two that you and I saw when you wanted to 125 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: pull the gun away and shoot him yourself. That was 126 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: That was one of the stories, and we'll tell that one. 127 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: We'll get to that story soon. Um. But yeah, I 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: mean so in general, we have not seen the last 129 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: couple of years have been a little bit better. Um, 130 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: so this trip being indicative of that. Even though you 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: and me dead didn't see anything, Josh, you saw a 132 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: lot of bucks relative too. But you know, it wasn't 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: always that way. So back when Grandpa and I and 134 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Uncle Steve and the rest of us came up here, 135 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: back in the late sixties and seventies and eighties, Um, 136 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: there were a lot of deer up here, I thought. 137 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: So the uh, the the area that we used to 138 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: hunt in a mile or so from where our camp 139 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: is now for your out what we call the oil road. UM. 140 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: At that time, it was just a two track. And 141 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: then the oil well companies came in. They widened the road, 142 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: they did a lot of clear cutting, they put in 143 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: the oil wells themselves. Suddenly, over the course of the 144 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: next two or three years, we had all this undergrowth 145 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: that grew up in the deer. And then a number 146 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: of people came in from the outside, from the oil, 147 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: from the drilling companies and hunted. So now we had 148 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure than we never had before. And 149 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: there were probably five years, maybe ten years where we 150 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: were seeing lats of deer and it was it was 151 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: pretty cool. It was pretty fun. And then, um then 152 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: for whatever reason in the late nineties and early two thousands, 153 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: things slowed down again. Yeah yeah, um so I want 154 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: to get back to all that. But I guess let's 155 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: look finish your story, Josh, and I want to jump 156 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: back to where you were just at their dead uh, 157 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: because yeah, so in the past they had been better, 158 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: and then there was a basically once I showed up, 159 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: things started going down to the two. Once I started coming, 160 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: things really slowed down. And then maybe we've been on 161 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: a little bit enough to take the last couple of years. 162 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: Um So, Josh, you saw a little Bucks. Yeah, a 163 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: couple of little Bucks that morning, Monday morning, Monday afternoon, 164 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: you guys got here. Um when I see I saw 165 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: five doze Monday afternoon, and it felt like it was 166 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a really good night for me to I 167 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: was thinking, to me, great, and then I start hearing 168 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: all this blowing behind me a couple hundred yards away. 169 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Just yeah, for about thirty things turned into a bit 170 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: of a cluster. Yeah. They never they never got down 171 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: wind to me. I don't think they smelled me. But 172 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: I was sitting on the ground, this this spot, it's 173 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: not really conducive for a tree stand or saddle sitting 174 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: on a pipeline trying to look down this pipeline. It's 175 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: on the edge of this big hemlock stand. Hemlocks are 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: like an evergreen tree, right, so they got a lot 177 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: of a lot of branches, a lot of low hanging 178 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: branches hanging over this pipeline, and so really are the 179 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: best bet is to sit in the ground there for 180 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: for visibility and shooting lanes, and then you can kind 181 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: of see into the hemlocks too, because there's there's zero 182 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: understory in there because it's there's no sunlight in the 183 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: floor in there. Um. So sitting on the ground and 184 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: that lead dough, she she knew something was up. She 185 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: never smelled me, but I think she she knew something 186 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: wasn't right. Um, And she started blowing, and then one 187 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: of the other doughs started blowing. They didn't really run off, 188 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: They just kind of bounced off to about forty yards 189 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: and just looking at me, and you know, bobbing their 190 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: heads and stomping their feet and blowing. And that one 191 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: on the worst when they just sit there and every 192 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: time they make that noise, like a little part of 193 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: my heart dies, and I think to myself, just leave, 194 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: just if you're soap set, just leave. I was seriously, 195 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: I was seriously ready to just stand up and start 196 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: waving my arms just to get him to run away, 197 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: because I mean it was just it was getting ridiculous. Um, 198 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: I wonder about that if sometimes that might be the 199 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: better way to go about it, right, just get him 200 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: out of here, Yeah, just go. And um, so they 201 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: just kind of hung around from it. I don't know, 202 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: ten minutes maybe, Yeah, it was like thirty Yeah, I 203 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: mean you could hear him the whole time, you, um, 204 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: because we weren't. We were sitting maybe a couple. Um. Yeah, 205 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: it was just it just turned into a cluster and 206 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: I ended up seeing one more dough I don't know, 207 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: maybe twenty minutes before shooting light was over. And um 208 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: that was that was that. Um but that was I 209 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: mean seeing five dolls in a night again, I mean, 210 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: that's that's a good night. Um. So, I mean that 211 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: was a good day. I saw she's nine deer just 212 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: in that one day. And then um, we pulled trail cameras, 213 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: pulled trail cameras. We looked at some pictures last night, 214 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: and fortunately two of the three cameras didn't take pictures. 215 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what happened. If if 216 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: I it appears that the cards were not formatted so 217 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: that the cards were full keeping, because when you look 218 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: at the pictures, it's a bunch of old pictures of mine, 219 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: So it would seem that I put the card and there, 220 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: turned it on and didn't reform at the cards. But 221 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: I just cannot see myself doing it. It's I do 222 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: this so many times, and that's like, I don't even 223 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: turn on the camera without first format. It's it's just 224 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: it's as much of a process as it is to 225 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: pull on your pants for going on the bathroom. Um, 226 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: hey man, it happens. Interesting analogy. I've made that mistake. 227 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure I can good dump for me. And it's 228 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: been going back and forth like this the whole time. Yeah, 229 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't know what happened, but something happened 230 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: which kept our two best cameras. There are two best 231 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: spots that traditionally the past few years we've been getting 232 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: good bucks on camera. Those didn't take any pictures from 233 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: mid October through mid November, which is that the one 234 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: time period during the year we usually get good bucks. 235 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: So I was kind of devastated last night. I was 236 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: really upset about it. There's a there's a couple of 237 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: decent bucks on on the one camera that we had, 238 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of critters, just you know, bears, I 239 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: mean dozens dozens of bears, a couple of coyotes, a 240 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: couple of bob cats, um, and some bucks, mostly young bucks. 241 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: There was one buck maybe that could have been three 242 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: year old. A couple of small eight pointers, a little 243 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: six that kind of stuff that are maybe one or 244 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: two year old. Um. It was good to see bucks. 245 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, to the earlier point in 246 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: the past, we didn't see any antler bucks, so it's 247 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: nice to know there are antler bucks running around. Um. 248 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: And I gotta believe if we had the food plot 249 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: cameras running bets, you at least one nice buck with 250 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: a show up. Well, there was one nice buck on 251 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: that one camera, like a you know, maybe a three 252 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: year old tight kind of tight and tall look at 253 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: a pointer. Um. So that was good to see, I guess. 254 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: And then that takes us to this morning, right, yeah, 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: and this morning I think I saw that tall and 256 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: tight eight pointer that was on the trail cameras. I 257 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: saw one deer this morning, and it was the first 258 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: deer that has made me pick up my gun since 259 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: I've been coming up here for what seven years? This 260 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: is seven I think this is a seven seven something 261 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: like that. And as the first time I picked up 262 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: my gun and I was looking through my scope and 263 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: ready to pull the trigger. Um, it's not happening. Well, 264 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm sitting and I was sitting in the same spot 265 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: us at the day before that, the evening before, and 266 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: because it works so well with those doughs, Yeah, it 267 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: worked worked really well those Yeah. I was just I 268 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: was just hoping that they wouldn't come back through there. 269 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: They're they're just spooked and wouldn't come back through. And 270 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: it was a slow morning, there's really nothing going on. 271 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: And then jeez, what was that maybe nine fifteen is 272 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: nine thirty maybe, Yeah, sometime around then, I just caught 273 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: a flash of something working through the hemlocks and um, 274 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: moving quick. It's just is one of those like moments 275 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, that's a buck, like you know, 276 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: it's not a dough It was is cruising. It was 277 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: just walking like a buck. Um are kind of cruising 278 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: like a buck. And I got my binoculars up and 279 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: as you was going through the hemlocks and all the 280 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: the trees everything, I could just make out his antlers, like, oh, 281 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: that's a nice that's pretty nice. That's a nice book. 282 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And um, he got to the edge, he got to 283 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: the edge of the hemlocks. I didn't have a shot yet. 284 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: I needed him to take a couple of steps out 285 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: into this pipeline, and instead of doing that, he had 286 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: stopped at the edge of the hemlocks. And then he 287 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: started working due west of me, right straight away from me, 288 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: right down this pipeline, and uh just walked walked away. 289 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Tried grunting at him a couple of times, and he 290 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: did not care. He just zanas was on a mission 291 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: or something. This was a buck that you were like, 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: definitely shoes, Yeah, yeah, especially for up here. I was 293 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: like that, that's a shooter for up here. You know, 294 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: I thought he was probably judgment judging his body coming 295 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: through the woods, Like he looked like he's probably three 296 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: and a half. Um looked like he had a had 297 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: some some good antlers on him. Um, I thought, for sure, 298 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: he's a shooter for up here. So pretty excited he 299 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: would have been. You know, we're looking at a wall 300 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: of racks here, um, and the top rows is all 301 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: the bigger racks that have been shot up here. And 302 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: he definitely would have been a top row bucke, that's 303 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I feel like, even though our top 304 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: row is not terribly impressive across the board, there are some, um, 305 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: but if you get a shot at something that would 306 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: be a top row buck these days, it's it's hard 307 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: not to pull trigger on that. Yeah, just an editorial 308 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: comment there. This used to be that top row used 309 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: to be full of big racks, bigger racks than what 310 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: we're there. Um. Back in the late nineties, we had 311 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: a break in and they took many of our bigger racks. 312 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: So now we're kind of kind of refilling it. Yeah. Um, 313 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: well we almost had one to put up there today. 314 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: That would have been nice. Yeah. So they walked away 315 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: and that was it. And that was that basically into 316 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: the morning. And I was in your your guys boat tonight. 317 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I didn't see a deer this afternoon, So yeah, no 318 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: no such luck for us, I see I did I did? 319 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: I remember thinking yesterday and this morning I hadn't seen 320 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: any here, but I did see two of the does 321 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: that spooked from you. They came running sort of by me, 322 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: and I saw him back behind me. But otherwise nothing. 323 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: I did have a fresh set of bear tracks that 324 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: came past me this morning. They had not been there 325 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: in the evening before. And then we end up getting 326 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: pictures of him. I think we went and checked the 327 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: camera again today because you thought that buck maybe walked 328 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: past it. Yeah, pulled that card tonight because I thought 329 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: that buck he did walk. I know he did. I 330 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: know he probably did. Um, But I don't know what 331 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: happened to that camera because now it's like interesting batteries 332 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: are did? I know I probably did well he was 333 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: he was heading in that direction unless he unless he 334 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: cut in um to the swamp on the other side 335 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: of the clear cut before he passed that camera. Um. 336 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: But but my guess as he was working down the 337 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: edge of that swamp, you know. So we got the picture, 338 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: didn't get the picture of the buck because the batteries, 339 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: but got the little bear on camera. It's kind of cool. 340 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Lots and lots of bears, a lot of bears. And 341 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: then well I talked about us in podcast Aret, I 342 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: didn't talk about with you guys. But I did see 343 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: that bear last time I was up here, a bear, 344 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: which is really cool to see. Um, how would you 345 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: have reacted, Dad, if you were sitting out here in 346 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: a bear came walking up on the Uh. Probably can't 347 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: say what I would do. I feel like you're a 348 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: little bit more on edge about the bears than I am. Yeah, yeah, 349 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah yeah. I think you know I 350 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: won't go in the woods without a weapon. Um. You know, 351 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: I know that most of the time, you know, especially here, 352 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: the black bear are probably more afraid of us than 353 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: where them. But do I really want to take that 354 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: chance and be the one time when you know I 355 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: have a piste off bear. I get that, I get that. Um. 356 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, we've certainly have seen a lot more bear 357 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: evidence and bear themselves, and we've had some sightings. Our 358 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: neighbor next to us a couple of years got a 359 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: picture of a bear that he claimed was and that 360 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: DNR apparently confirmed it was a seven eight hundred pound bear. 361 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, very large black bear. Um. I'm 362 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: pretty sure that can't be right in retrospect, because I 363 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: remember seeing numbers of like world record bears. But but 364 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: all that to say, is we're just gonna get an 365 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: email from someone's gonna say there's no way those it 366 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: was a big dear yea. Um, but yeah we did 367 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: see Also speaking of big bears though, the sixth largest 368 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: black bear killed in the state or something that was 369 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: recently killed not too far from here, so certainly, um, 370 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: history would indicate some big bears around here for mission 371 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, and we've had a number of cougar 372 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: sightings as well, and you know animals that have been 373 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: killed by by them as well. So yeah, we've got 374 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot of wildlife. There are some critters. So that's 375 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: been our deer camp as far as deer sightings, animal sightings. Josh, 376 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: you let us down, good thing I'm here. Well, no, 377 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: it's almost worse when it's right that close, so close, 378 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: and then you just couldn't make it happen. It's like 379 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: your teasing. Thus that's the story of my my season. Close. 380 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: But no, cigar, do you have like three different We 381 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: won't get too much into it now, but I've had 382 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: three different like shooter bucks just not offering your shot. 383 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Can you give us like the thirty second cliff notes, 384 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: h thirty second cliff notes? Um A couple of days 385 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: before a gun season, last time hunting one of the 386 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: properties I have access to in Jackson. Um. Just a 387 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: really nice buck was about seventy yards out and coming in, 388 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: and he had another trail and went went a different direction. 389 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: And I was debating on the tree stand where I 390 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: was sitting in a tree stand about or setting a 391 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: stand about thirty or forty yards further towards where he 392 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: came from. And if I would have set to stand there, 393 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: I probably would have killed him. That night, got a 394 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: text message from the other guy that hunts that property 395 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: on opening day guns season, he killed that buck, really 396 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: nice eight pointer. That was a bummer. UM happy for him? Um, 397 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: opening day a guns HEAs really yeah, why not? I mean, 398 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't mean that's that's the it's 399 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: a it's a buck that I had no history with. 400 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: You know, it's you know, it's a it's a property 401 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: that of access with with Corey and um, you know, 402 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I have no history with that buck. And hey, someone 403 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: someone shoots a good deer. I'm happy for him. I 404 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: don't get too worked up about that kind of stuff. Um. 405 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: Opening day I was hunting with Dustin and uh, nice 406 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: like a nice ten point came just sprinting out into 407 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: the into this bean field, and he's coming out right 408 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: across and I looked at the holy color a nice 409 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: buck out and where this thing come from? And he 410 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: was probably like a hunter and yards out and I 411 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: grabbed my gun. I was getting ready, and I think 412 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: what happens is he caught Dustin's scent and then he 413 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: stopped on a dime and right back the way he 414 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: came from. And so that that could have happened if 415 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: you would have gaven me another I don't know, fifteen 416 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: seconds to get settled in on him, probably would have 417 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: had a shot at him. I probably blame Dustin, I should, 418 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: but no, no, and then tonight, I mean this morning. 419 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: So I mean that's three opportunities that at good Michigan 420 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: deer that just wasn't quite able. You could even add 421 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: that North Dakota close call yet that came out just 422 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of arrange that seems just like a 423 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: wholenother season. Yes see a little long time ago now, 424 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: but yes, I mean she's four different, four different opportunities 425 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: this year that just haven't been quite right. So that 426 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: is yep, deer hunt, deer hunting good good news is 427 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: still got I don't know, a little over a month 428 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: left and maybe something will maybe something will come together 429 00:22:53,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: for me. So you never. So that's our that's our 430 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: sad story, I guess, the the slow couple of days 431 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: and the tragedy of Josh Hilliard's two thousand eighteen deer 432 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: hunting season. But the good news is that we are 433 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: enjoying one of the best parts of the deer hunting 434 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: season right now, which is deer camp. And even without 435 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: seeing many deer, it's still one of the absolute best 436 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: times of the year, isn't it. Sure as sure as 437 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: I mean, dad, My dad is not a big drinker, 438 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: but he's having a beer for lunch. He's having a 439 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: beer podcast. Sorry, he had one o' duels and uh. 440 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: And one of my favorite things we always do is 441 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: we always stop at the grocery store in the way 442 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: up here, right and it is the only guilt free 443 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: grocery shopping trip of the year where anything that looks 444 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: good you just throw it in there, no questions asked. 445 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: So we've just been hammering food. Um, Like I said, 446 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: we had chili, and we had the deer heart, and 447 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: we had how many cookies and cheetos and oh yeah, 448 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: a diet food, yes, exactly, sugar free stuff. So so 449 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: that's whe're at today. But we do we gotta go 450 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: back to what you're talking about. Dad, Go take us 451 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: back to the beginning. You don't need to talk about, 452 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, any specifics as far as location stuff, right, Um, 453 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: But but walk us through what's the story of Um, 454 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: you know how we ended up here, right, You started 455 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: hunting with your dad, your brother, and you started hunting 456 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: with your dad a long time ago. Um, where did 457 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: that start? And then how did you guys eventually get 458 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: to this point? You know? We uh, we used to 459 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: hunt further down state, um, in an area that you know, 460 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: my dad knew about because of some friends and and 461 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: his brother that had hunted there for a long time. 462 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: And um, you know we'd go there every year. And 463 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: this is back when I was six, seven, eight years old, 464 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know we'd go there and had a 465 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: Hunting was so different back then, right, you didn't have 466 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: tree stands, he didn't do all the things we do today. 467 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: We'd basically find a tree, literally, find a big tree. 468 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: I'd sat on one side, he'd sat on the other, 469 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: and you know, the funniest things. We still saw a 470 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of deer, and we killed a lot of deer. 471 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, sometimes I wonder what's really changed. 472 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: But at that time, we hunted, uh public land, and 473 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: in that part of the state, it was really heavily hunted. 474 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: There was a large deer population, so we saw a 475 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: lot of deer, but she saw almost as many hunters, 476 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: and you know, it was just kind of it just 477 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, it got a little old after a while. 478 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: So one point, I think my uncle um had come 479 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: up in this part of the state and had been 480 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: hunting up here and told my dad about it and 481 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: told me about this, you know, big chunk of public 482 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: land and um so and it wasn't real heavily hunted 483 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: and real thick. And so back in the late sixties, 484 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: we started coming up here instead of going to the 485 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: other place, and uh almost immediately started getting deer. And 486 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: you know, we we've never had you know, we're now 487 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: talking about Boone crock in one fifties or anything like that, 488 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: but still big deer from Michigan and a lot of deer, 489 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: and um, you know, this time, I'm eight years old, 490 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: ten years old, and uh, my brother who's eleven months 491 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: younger than. We would always compete for who's going to 492 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: go up with dad to go hunting, you know. Um, 493 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: and so my dad would take one of us up 494 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: one weekend and then the other up the following weekend 495 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: and always had a great time. And back in those days, 496 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: we were in an old pop up trailer. You know, 497 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: night's like tonight when it's you know, twenty five degrees 498 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: or twenty degrees and you'll be sleeping in a pop 499 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: up trailer with just a little caressing heater to keep 500 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: it warm, and we're little kids, and we're just freezing 501 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: our butts off. You know, remember in those kind of 502 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: scenarios in the moment, did you enjoy it? Where was 503 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: the situation? In the moment you and Steve were just like, 504 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: this is horrible. We're freezing a little you know, it's both. 505 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest, there there were a lot because 506 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: we also had a little tent set up, a nice 507 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: fishing shanny set up behind the trailer, which is where 508 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: we did our dude, you know, and uh that's where 509 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: they did the dude continue. So you know, I mean 510 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: an eight year old kid having to winder out there 511 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and of course it 512 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: had to be away from the trailer. Wasn't right next 513 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: the trailers was ways away, and um, that wasn't so great. Um, 514 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: but in in this little carrossing heat didn't really keep 515 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: that that canvas you know, tent or the pop up 516 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: that we eventually had, very warm at all. So we 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: froze our butts off all the time. But you know, 518 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: there was nothing like going in the woods and sitting 519 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: down and what we called the potholes, which we were 520 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: these you know, uh, hardwood stand with really kind of 521 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: rolling little bumpy hills and stuff that you said, and 522 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: that would ran along the swamp and you see, you know, 523 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: and Grandpa would like, I said, be on one side, 524 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: and I'd be on the other, and you know, I'm 525 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: freezing my butts off, and you know he wrap us 526 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: up and and what you know. That's the other thing. 527 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: Clothing has come so far. All we had back then 528 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: was you know, a flannel shirt and a red sweatshirt 529 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: and you know, my mom would would hand knit scarfs 530 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: and hats and gloves for us and that sort of thing, 531 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: and those were great, but they did do a whole 532 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: lot to keep you a warm. I mean you froze 533 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: every once in a while, you know. And my dad 534 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: was my dad was really hardcore. So we'd get up 535 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: in the morning, you know, three o'clock in the morning. 536 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: We'd have our two three cups of coffee, you would, 537 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: uh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. My dad fed 538 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: me coffee is pretty early. Uncle Steve not so much, 539 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: but I like it. And uh, and we'd be out 540 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: in the woods, you know, or before it got light, 541 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: and uh we'd find our you know spot by the 542 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: one of the trees and um, and Grandpa also build 543 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: his own blinds. We'd build ground blinds and uh, you know, 544 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: we'd be out there early in the morning. And Grandpa, 545 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, I mean good good hunting technique. Keep you know, 546 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: you'd had to be really quiet, and you had to 547 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: be really still, and you always had to be looking. 548 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: And he'd always encourage us and said, Dave, Dave, look 549 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: at that. Look do you see that there? And you 550 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: know there'd be something moving through the woods. And so, 551 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, going back to your question, mark, Um, there 552 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: were lots of things about hunting for an eight year 553 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: old that that you know, weren't all that much fun. Um, 554 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, but it's kind of like that old adage 555 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: of if I can remember it, you know, um, incredible 556 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: periods of boredom accentuated by moments of glory and delight. 557 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: That's kind of the we deer hunting was for me. 558 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: But but you know, there's some of the best memories 559 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: of my life and being there with Grandpa and then 560 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: just like us, we're telling stories all night, we're playing cars. 561 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: We always you know, at the end of the day, 562 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: we'd usually go in, um, if we've made dinner at camp, 563 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: we would, but sometimes we go into town and have 564 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: a burger or something, come back to camp and play poker, 565 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: you know. And so our eight ten year old boys 566 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: and grandpa, you know, we played like everybody else, and 567 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: he teach us the rules of the game. We had 568 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: a few other adults there with you two. Yeah, we 569 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: typically have four or five of us typically be there. Yeah, 570 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, we just have great stories, 571 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: always talking about stories of the camp and stories from 572 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: people's past and stories from the hunt. And you know, 573 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, Mark, I think you know, 574 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: the um ent of of the joy of being here 575 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: is is the camaraderie and and where we are in 576 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: this beautiful cabin and and being in God's creation and outdoors, 577 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, and UM being able to relate that and 578 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: share that with each other, that that's what it's all about, 579 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: and and doing that, I think in the context of 580 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: really trying to um find just that right opportunity to 581 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: kill the big deer. And Uh, but you know Grandpa 582 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: was also and taught me, and I think we taught 583 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: you that. You know, there's a there's a tension and 584 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: a real respect that we have to have for for 585 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: our prey and for the deer that we hunt, and 586 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: for you know, nature that we're part of. And as 587 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: much as we we want to get that big deer 588 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: and and put venison on the table, there's also you know, 589 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: we love that animal and we love the privilege that 590 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: we have for being able to partake in that. Yeah, 591 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: that's definitely something that it was always really hammered home 592 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: for me growing up between you and GP Grandpa, UM, 593 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: just that the seriousness of what we were doing. It 594 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: was never something you would do carelessly. It was never 595 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: something that was frivolous in any way. UM. Taking animal's life, 596 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: as you said, was something to to to respect and 597 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: to do with as much care as possible. Um, something 598 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: that I never got to experience, or at least never 599 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: um I could remember, was was what Grandpa was like 600 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: in the moment, you know, um, after having shot a 601 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: deer and walking up on or something that. Do you 602 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: remember any experiences? You know? What was what was he 603 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: like in that moment, because as a kid, I can 604 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: remember him just being so serious, and you know it 605 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: was it was just very very serious. Whether him um 606 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: really expressed like joy or anything or something like that. 607 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: You never saw Grandpa's ace thirty seconds after he shot 608 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: a deer. I've never seen that. What was that like? 609 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: And what was tell me about? Tell us? Yeah, well, 610 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: so I'll tell you one story. I can tell you 611 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of different stories, and these are 612 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: all when I was ten years old, twelve years old, 613 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, young, and typically Grandpa would have wed set 614 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: with him. We'd we'd go during hunting Susan either myself 615 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: from my brother Steve would be out with with Dad 616 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: and we had a like you mentioned, Mark, we had 617 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: a group of my dad's friends that we also went 618 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: hunting with and they were great so that I would 619 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: hunt with one of them and Steve would hunt with 620 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: the other, and again we just usually sometimes we'd have 621 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: a blind that we make it, but a lot of 622 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: times we just walked through the roods, find a place 623 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: where we see runs coming through, where the evidence looked positive, 624 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and we'd sit and uh uh and yeah, Grandpa was 625 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: real serious about his hunting. But you know, I can 626 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: think of one time in particular, and it was just 627 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: on the other side. This is before we got the cabin, 628 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: but in the same area as I was kind of 629 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: um walking through my story, I didn't get that fire. 630 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: But anyway, um, so overall the oil road, we were 631 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: back and back off the maybe a couple hundred yards 632 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: to three hundred yards from the road, back in a swamp, 633 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: and we've been there all day, all morning with the 634 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: I remember, um that morning as the snow started to 635 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: fall in really big flakes, you know, the half inch 636 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: inch size flakes, just just floating down through the sky 637 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: and covering everything. And you know how you kind of 638 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: get that uh um, that hush that falls over the landscape. Yeah, 639 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's just really kind of surreal almost, And um. 640 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: And I'm you know, and I did as much sleeping 641 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: out in the woods because I did look something. So 642 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm having a good nap, you know. And and suddenly 643 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: Grandpa reaches over real quietly and just bumps my shoulder 644 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: and says, Dave, David, Dave, Oh my god, I see something. 645 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: And so I wake up, you know, And of course 646 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: I had to be really careful not to make any 647 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: noise or anything like that any points. And I see 648 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: this deer just kind of just spunking his way through 649 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: the pines and working his way towards it, his head 650 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: down and um, he's coming closer and closer, and Grandpa 651 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: brings up his rifle and puts it on his shoulder, 652 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and he he says, watch, pulls the trigger 653 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: and this darned deer. It turns out that this deer 654 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: had really a typical set of antlers, and one of 655 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: the antlers is about ten inches long, a perfect spike 656 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: pointing straightforward, and it ran right at us at a 657 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: full run, and just just ten yards fifteen yards maybe 658 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: ten yards, and when it was really close, um, Grandpa 659 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: shot again, and the the deer just veered off to 660 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: the right, literally a few yards from us. And so 661 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: there was a combination of the really cool experience and 662 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: getting the deer and kind of feeling like we just 663 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: missed being scared. So yeah, another story real quickly, and 664 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: I leg it continued. You never never told us about 665 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: how Grandpa expressed himself after what's crabby and said, Dave, 666 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: we got it, we got it, and jumped up and 667 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: down and this big smile across his face. And like 668 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: you said, Grandpa was a pretty serious guy. And those 669 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: were the times when we got our deer um or 670 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: when we went fishing, and when we were when we 671 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: were doing outdoor um hunting or fishing activities. Those are 672 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: the times when I really saw the real Grandpa, because 673 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: that's when he could be really relaxed and really enjoy 674 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: himself and really seemed like that was when he was 675 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: the happiest. And I saw that that day. Okay, so 676 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: your next door well, so real quickly. Um, kind of 677 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: going back to the you know, the my brother and I, UM, 678 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember how old I was again, maybe ten 679 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: twelve years old, and Grandpa had gone up with Uncle Steve. Yeah, 680 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: this is the two first story. So this is back 681 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: on the oil road on the other side of the railroad. 682 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: And um, again late November had been snowing. Um, I 683 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: think Grandpa had to go to some um Academy you 684 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: had to go to in Massachusetts, so wasn't able to 685 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: be there for open opening day. So we went up 686 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: the weekend after Thanksgiving and uh that weekend, or maybe 687 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: it was the middle weekend, I guess, because Uncle Steve 688 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: went with him, and so they went up again and 689 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: we had the campers stay at the camper. They went 690 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: out into the pines and UH came home that night 691 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 1: with the biggest deer I've ever seen, and Uncle Steve 692 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: is all excited, big big eight point um you know, 693 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: by today's standards, probably three and a half maybe a 694 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: four year old dere. I mean, there's a big deer 695 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: for for up here. Uncle Steve is so excited and 696 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: he's jumping all around and he's bragg and you don't 697 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: like you what about Yeah, I got to deer. Look 698 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: at this wood and he's walking up this time. We've 699 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: got movies of I'm, you know, walking in from the 700 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: bottom of the deer because we hung our We always 701 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: hung our deer in the garage and then typically we'd 702 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: come back around a few days later and we'd skinned 703 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: them and we'd bowne them on ourselves and all that 704 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But you know, and I'm I'm I'm 705 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: little older than Steve, so of course, not only am 706 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I jealous, but I'm kind of thinking, hey, I'm the oldest. 707 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: I should have gone first, you know what gives? So 708 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: Grandpa felt bad, so, you know, and I keep saying 709 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: to him, Hey, Dad, you know, let's go up. We're 710 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: gonna go hunting, right, We're gonna get our own eight 711 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: point right, And he's thinking to himself, how can I 712 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: do that? There's no way I can, you know, top this. Well, 713 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: so the following weekend we went back up and again I'm, 714 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, continue to hound him, and I'm continuing to say, man, 715 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. This is great, Dad, We're gonna get 716 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: another big deer, right, And he's kind of, you know, 717 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of thing like, sure, Dave, we're gonna do our best. 718 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: He was definitely. So we get back up and we 719 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: went back almost to the same spot. Um. I don't 720 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: know why we went to the same area, but it 721 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: was along a little bit of a field and swamp 722 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: on one side, and um um hardwood and the pines 723 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of a um, you know, kind of a half 724 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: square square kind of a configuration. We're walking down the 725 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: edge of the swamp and suddenly I hear Grandpa said, Dave, Dave, 726 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: get down. We were walking, okay, so I didn't really 727 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: expect to see much on the way a deer at 728 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: that point, and uh so I went down, and you know, 729 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: he brings up his right and was, Dave, it's a deer. 730 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: Looks just like the one I shot last week. It 731 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: must be his brother, you know. So I'm excited, you know, 732 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: and I think Dad was just a Grandpa was just shaking. 733 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you could just tell he was. He was 734 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: really excited, but also kind of it's the surreal thing, 735 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: like how can this happen twice in a week? You know? 736 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: But he you know, again, he put the beat on 737 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: and pulled the trigger, and we ended up bringing home 738 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: too big a points or the second a point for 739 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: two um in a week time, and hung it up 740 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: right next to the second and the thing that it 741 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: literally looked like the other deer's brother, about the same size, 742 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: about the same size rack, almost the same configuration. Um, 743 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: two beautiful deer. And I got the opportunity to say, hey, 744 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: I told you to my brother. It did. It was great. Yeah, 745 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: it's funny. Um. Speaking of always hanging your dear in 746 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: the grabs, Grandma always listen tell a story about how 747 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: um she used to be appalled by that all time, 748 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: like the smell of it made her sick. And then 749 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: the smell of cooking venison. She cooked venison your whole 750 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: lives made a lot of ves. But she always talks 751 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: now about how she can't stand the smell of it 752 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: and how when she was pregnant, and I guess she 753 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: was pregnant, you know, she had three kids, and she 754 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: always talked about how whenever she was pregnant, it would 755 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: make her cry. She cried because the smell was so horrible. 756 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: Is that is that right? You know that was to 757 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: have happened before before I can remember, because I don't 758 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: remember that. I mean Grandma was a great cook, and 759 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: Graham would make venison chop suey and venison barbecue and venison. 760 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean, she just came up with all these great 761 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: ways to make venison. And like you said, we had 762 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: venison for almost every meal, many many meals. And the 763 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: meals we didn't have venison, we'd have you know, lake 764 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: trout or coho or whatever, because we we ate a 765 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: lot of game. And Grandma got really good at cooking 766 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: all of that. Um Now, I think there's something to 767 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: be said that you tend to like your your mom's 768 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: cooking better than whether whether it's good or not. But 769 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: I think in Granma's case, it really was good and 770 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: it was good, and uh I loved it. As a 771 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I keep nagat her because I wanted 772 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: her to make chop suey again, Venison Chop suey. She 773 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: hasn't made that in thirty years, and uh I really 774 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: miss that. You gotta you gotta give her some venicine. 775 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: The way things are going, I'm manna have to give 776 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: her some of your venis. Yeah. Um, hopefully changed as soon. Um, 777 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: So continue with the original line of the story though. 778 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: So you guys had started, you start hunting this northern 779 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: public land. You had some great experiences. One of the 780 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: stories you didn't mention that was one you guys are 781 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: always sleeping in the pop up camper and how your 782 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: brother one time? You know, there's the beds on either 783 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: side the camper right the stick out and then it 784 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: sounds like there's kind of canvas walls that we were 785 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: very loosely attached and crap if I'm wrong, But didn't 786 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: he roll one day far enough over the edge of 787 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: the bed and the canvas walled unattached, and he rolled 788 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: right out of the camper. Yeah, yeah he did. Now 789 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: that one actually happened up in Canada when we're up 790 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: on a fishing trip in Canada. But yeah, yeah, it 791 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: may have happened a couple of times. But when I'm 792 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: thinking of happened up in Canada, and yeah, so we're 793 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: all looking around for Steve where Steve returns off Steve's house. Yeah, 794 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: we got a lot of stories. But yeah, going back 795 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: to how we found this place. We uh, we'd always 796 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: come up there every year we come up and it's 797 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: just like just like you guys do, right, we were 798 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: We would come up in June and July and August 799 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: and scout and you know, dream about the season and 800 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: talk about our plans and talk about all the things 801 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna do, and you know, we're gonna try this, 802 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try this technique, and we're gonna go 803 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: over here and so and so forth. But we you know, 804 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: we were always hunting public land and um and the 805 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: land was was much more heavily hunted back then than 806 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: it is today, and especially when I mentioned the oil 807 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: wells and the drillers that came in and split things out, 808 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: and um really really improved the habitat for the deer 809 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: in many respects. But but again, one time we you were, 810 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: we have a stream that runs right through the middle 811 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: of this property, this area of state land that we 812 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: were hunting, and we followed that stream one time through 813 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: um some lowlands in the swamp and a big swamp 814 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: when I say swamping, a lot of down trees, big 815 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: down trees, big um uh spruces and and conifers and 816 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. UM very difficult train to get through, 817 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: especially as a kid. Okay, so this is back in 818 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: and you know, the early sixties or late sixties, early seventies. 819 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: But we'd still kind of make our way through. And 820 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: I remember one time it would be an hour maybe 821 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: two hours of trou during our way through. And we 822 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 1: came across this little opening, came through the opening after 823 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: we got across the stream, and we saw this cabin 824 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: and we're looking at this cabin and it was just 825 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: all by itself in the middle of nowhere. There was 826 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: nothing around it. Um. And at that time we didn't 827 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: even see the road or the little two track. They 828 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: went to it and we kind of walked around and said, boy, 829 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: this is really cool once you love to have that, 830 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: and uh uh you know, kind of joked about a 831 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: little bit. It was obviously somebody else's and we didn't 832 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: want to bother it all, so we just went back 833 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: in the woods and hunted. Well. Um ten years later, 834 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: my dad ended up retiring early and um, you know, 835 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: he was looking to get some property up here and 836 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,479 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and he happened to be looking 837 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: in the classified and saw that this that there was 838 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: a cabin that was for sale a place where the 839 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: sale very close to the public land that we used 840 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: to hunt. So we came up and checked it out 841 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: and it turned out to be the same cabin that 842 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: we saw as we walked through that one time, and 843 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: uh I was on a little bit of disrepair. Um 844 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: the owners, the current owners of it had had it 845 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: it was originally built. As a matter of fact, there's 846 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of interesting uh history to this land, 847 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: the property that we have. So we have forty acres 848 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: that's kind of embedded in eight thousand acres of state land, 849 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: and but this area used to be um cattle farmed 850 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: back in the eighteenth century. And uh, one of the 851 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: things that my dad has as a deed, the history 852 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: of all the deeds as was turned from generation to 853 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: generation and the one of the deeds was signed by 854 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln back in eighteen sixty four or something like that. Um, 855 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a little bit kind of interesting history 856 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: to it. But any rate, um uh the uh we 857 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: ended up the current owner of the property, his wife 858 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: was ill. He was looking to sell it. My dad 859 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: made an offer and it ended up being a really 860 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: good thing on both sides. He wanted to sell it 861 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: for a good price. My dad was was really eager 862 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: to get the property. And um, we did a lot 863 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: of work to it because it was in pretty bad 864 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: disrepair at the time. But you know, as you've probably 865 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: described in the past, Mark, you know, it's a it's 866 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: a it's a sixteen by twenty four uh log cabin, 867 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: naughty pine interior, really really simple propane lights. Um. You know, 868 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: it's it's nothing fancy at all but big fieldstone fireplace 869 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: in the middle. Um. But for us, it's it's just 870 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: got so many memories and so we've hunted and that 871 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: was when we at the cabin and Uh, I did 872 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: a lot of work to it, put in a shed, 873 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 1: did some other things, and we funded her ever since. 874 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: Before moving on, let's take a quick break to thank 875 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: our partners at White Tailed Properties this week. With white 876 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: Tail Properties, we are drawn by Ben Harsheine, a land 877 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: specialist out of Iowa, and Ben is going to be 878 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: talking to us about buying a property with the intentions 879 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,959 Speaker 1: of hunting white tails as well as having cattle. Well, 880 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: I think that, uh, you can only get so far 881 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: if you want to have great hunting and and have cattle. 882 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: Um In my area, I really don't have uh too 883 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: many cattle operations in my area of expertise, but what 884 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: I've seen, and I've hunted some some cattle ground here, 885 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: I think the most important part would be to separate 886 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: where your pastures are and where the cows are are 887 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: are mainly going to spend most of their time versus 888 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: where you want to hunt. If you can, if you 889 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: can have timber that's actually fenced off from that pasture, uh, 890 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: that's going to allow the timber to to get nice 891 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: and thick and and and separate those two environments between 892 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: the white tails and in the cattle. A lot of 893 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: guys will say that that, uh, you know, cows don't 894 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: affect big gear and in you know, I think it's 895 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: a really case by case, but I do know that 896 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: whenever cattle or pastured in the timber that keeps the 897 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: undergrowth and the first uh, you know, say three or 898 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: four feet of of important growth for a white tail, 899 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: that keeps that trimmed down. So most timber that's pastured, 900 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: uh is not ideal white tail habitat. So if somebody 901 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,879 Speaker 1: is really looking to buy a farm and they want 902 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: to run cows, I would try to find something you 903 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: know and and have good hunting. I would try to 904 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,240 Speaker 1: find something where those two are separated with good fencing. 905 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the 906 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,959 Speaker 1: properties that Ben currently has listed for sale, visit white 907 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: Tail properties dot com. Backslash hardshine. That's h A R 908 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: s h y n E. So do you do you 909 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: remember then? And this is what I can't remember. I'm 910 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,280 Speaker 1: trying to remember your first gun of your first deer. 911 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: Did that happen at ken Raven or that happened pre 912 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: ken Raven and ken Rovns what we call our camp? Right? Sorry? Um? 913 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: So can you walk us through that store. So that 914 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: was black on the public land then right it was Yeah, 915 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: so it was over off the oil world again. And 916 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old, I guess I had. I 917 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: had bought my first gun, which was UM over and 918 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: under four twenty two, which I was really proud of, right, 919 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: really cool gun. And I used to, like I said, 920 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: I used to hunt with Grandpa until I turned fourteen, 921 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 1: and then it started hunting on my own. Um and uh, 922 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: either because Grandpa wanted to make sure that you know, 923 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: he was fair down all the all the kids or 924 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. But um, my sister Sue would come went 925 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: hunt with me for a lot of that time. And 926 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: so Sue is seven years younger than me, and uh, 927 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: and she's a real trooper, right, she would she get 928 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: bundled up, and you know, all the scarfs and the 929 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: sweatshirts and the you know, the cheap Walmart boots and 930 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: all the other things that you know, frankly was really 931 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: hard to get clothing and and that sort of thing 932 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: for for adults, much less kids. At that time it 933 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: was really warm, but for kids it was really tough. 934 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: You just had to kind of find snowsuits and that 935 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and and bundle them up as best 936 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: you could. So Susie was bust bundled up, and and 937 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 1: so was I. But anyway, so I can remember one 938 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: time we're out hunting. Can I put the time out 939 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: of here? Yeah? So why did you get stuck taking 940 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: your little sister off? Well that's what I've been trying 941 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: to figure out. Your dad. So your dad just eventually 942 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pawn her off. Now, ye did Steve ever 943 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: have to take her? You know, I don't think so. 944 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: I think either I was the nice one, never figured 945 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: that out. She probably would say that I wasn't. But 946 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: any right, Um, so, like I said, was sixteen, had 947 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: my over and under four two and my Yeah, so 948 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: Susie would have been Yeah, she would have been nine 949 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: at that time. And um, so she's hunting with me 950 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 1: and we're going off the Royal Road back by the 951 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: river the stream that runs through that that area of 952 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: the of the property. Real. Um it was I think 953 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: it was opening morning, or either opening morning or maybe 954 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 1: the day after one of those really beautiful, um early 955 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: mid November days. Um, really cold and crisp. The you know, 956 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 1: you could see for a long way. I was sitting 957 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: in on a kind of a mound underneath a clump 958 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: of pine trees, big pine trees, looking off over the 959 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: stream to my um my front to the left, and 960 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: then behind us was the swamp. And um, I remember 961 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: it really clearly because we're there, Susie's next to me, 962 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: kind of behind me, and Susie Susie was a real trooper, 963 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,839 Speaker 1: but she wasn't a really good sitter, Okay, So part 964 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: of why Susie would probably say that I wasn't a 965 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: really good hunter with her, it was I constantly was 966 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: telling her to be quiet, sometimes using stronger language, and 967 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: then she get mad at me, and I get mad 968 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: at her, and so and so forth. Well, anyways, so 969 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: we're sitting there and um, Grandpa had dropped us off 970 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: maybe an hour hour and a half before, and we've 971 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: been sitting there a long time. And it's again real cool, 972 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: crisp November morning, and you could hear the one of 973 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: those mornings when you could hear the deer because the 974 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: leaves were so crispy and and that sort of thing. 975 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, about nine o'clock in the morning. 976 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: I remember it as as if it was yesterday. Um, 977 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,839 Speaker 1: I hear this crashing out to my right, and uh, 978 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, I immediately bring up my rifle. I had 979 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: a nice scope and my my rifle. My brought it 980 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,280 Speaker 1: up and and pointed in the direction of the crashing 981 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: because I really couldn't see because it was behind the 982 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: brush and that sort of thing, and uh, you know, 983 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: I kind of could tell there were multiple deer back there. 984 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: Suddenly I started seeing flashes and white, you know, the 985 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: els and that sort of thing coming through. So I 986 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: just brought my gun over to a to an opening, 987 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: and the whole time I'm saying to Susie, Susie, be 988 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: really quiet, I see there's some deer going through. And okay, right, Dave, 989 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: sure there's still coming through. So I, you know, put 990 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,319 Speaker 1: my put my scope in looking through this opening, and 991 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: literally in in a second or so, this nice big 992 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: five point steps right into the to the opening, and 993 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: it was just, you know, one of those things that 994 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: just brought the cross stairs on his shoulder, pulled the trigger, 995 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: he ran. The funny part is Susie immediately stood up 996 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: and started beating me, so you killed Look reston, I 997 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: didn't shoot a fall, so she So what I think 998 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 1: happened is there was a group of deer and she 999 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: thought I was shooting at one of the other deer. 1000 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I was shooting another. But you know, he 1001 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: ran fifty yards and Grandpa came over and we um, 1002 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, we were really big and and letting the 1003 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: deer set and lay and and bleed out and that 1004 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: sort of thing. So when you know, took up and 1005 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: run again. So you know, a few minutes later we 1006 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: walked over and there it was a nice big deer, 1007 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: and uh and so and I of course, by that 1008 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: time Susie realized what had happened, and we're celebrating and 1009 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, really cool thing and gosh, I got a 1010 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,399 Speaker 1: chance to shoot a deer with my brother kind of thing. 1011 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 1: So the last time I think Susie wanting she didn't 1012 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: she didn't stick with it. No, she didn't know. But 1013 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 1: she was a real trooper. I mean, just the fact 1014 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: that she was out there with us, and you know, 1015 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys. So it was five or 1016 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: six guys and a you know, on a trailer and um, 1017 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, nine year old little girl was was out 1018 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: there with us and and putting up with all the 1019 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,720 Speaker 1: all the guy stuff and the poker and the cold 1020 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,240 Speaker 1: night with a kerosene heater and you know, the outdoor 1021 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,800 Speaker 1: to latrine and all this other stuff. She did really well. 1022 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: So you guys got the cabin years later. Yeah, how 1023 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: did stuff change afterally it? Did things change? Do you 1024 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: feel like, did the did the camp changed, did the 1025 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: culture change, did the hunting change? What was different after 1026 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: that point? Yeah? I think it changed a lot for 1027 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: a number of reasons. I mean, you know, up until 1028 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: that point, we're a little like, uh, you know, like wanderers. 1029 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: I mean, we we had our areas where we'd like 1030 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: to hunt, and we kind of scouted them and we 1031 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: knew them, but they really weren't our own and and 1032 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: any given time you could go to someplace that was 1033 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: your favorite hunting spot and there'd be somebody else sitting there, right. 1034 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how hunting is, especially on public land. 1035 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: And um. But once we had our own property, and 1036 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: like I said, we have forty acres that's adjacent to 1037 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: and kind of embedded in eight thousand acres of public lands, 1038 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: and that public land you can't get to that public 1039 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: land except going through the private property. So it's really 1040 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: pretty pretty private and um uh, so it was really 1041 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: nice to be able to you know, build permanent blinds 1042 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: since this before the time of you know, tree blinds 1043 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,959 Speaker 1: and stuff tree stands, but you know, to be able 1044 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: to scout and and have some confidence that you can 1045 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: hunt the area is that you're scouting, and that you're 1046 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can start being more strategic about your honey, 1047 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,799 Speaker 1: you could tire, you know, start doing those kinds of things. 1048 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: So I think it changed a lot. And then of 1049 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: course having a cabin to stay in every night and uh, 1050 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, with a nice big fireplace and stove and 1051 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: all the other things made a world of difference as 1052 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: far as the comfort and and you know, having a 1053 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: deer camp, having a place to call our own, as 1054 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: modest as it is, and it is very modest, Um, 1055 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 1: it was really nice. Yeah. Did you guys have a 1056 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: buck poll? Yeah? Did you guys make a temporary buck pole? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 1057 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,839 Speaker 1: we did, And we have a buck pole that we 1058 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: we've made, um less temporary, more permanent. Um. We you know, 1059 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,879 Speaker 1: there are many times we'd have two three four deer 1060 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: hanging from that buck pole, as you know. Um. And 1061 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: one of the stories that I remember is you had 1062 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: to be so so I gotta go back and mark. 1063 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: So we had the cabin obviously when Mark started coming 1064 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: up here, and um uh so Mark was born in 1065 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: eighty seven, Mark started coming up here and probably ninety 1066 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: so about three years old. Um, those first couple of years, 1067 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 1: and Mark was just I mean he just um adored 1068 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: my dad, right, and he looked up to him and 1069 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: hopefully me to some extent. But my dad was really 1070 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of the patriarch of the family and the patriarch 1071 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: of hunting camp, right, And he was the one who 1072 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: told all the stories about you know, uh um uh 1073 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 1: you know the hunting up up here, the things we 1074 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: used to do, that, all the things we saw on 1075 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 1: all the hunting trips up here. And then Katie remember 1076 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 1: ka team Mark. I'll let you tell that story. Well, Katie, 1077 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: it's I don't think we Maybe I don't think we 1078 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: told the story last year, did J I don't think so. 1079 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't know this one, so, Katie, UM, which stands 1080 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: for Ken Rove until I don't know where GP, I 1081 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 1: don't know what. But you know what's funny is I, 1082 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: as I sit back and try to think about why 1083 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: I am the way I am in a lot of ways, 1084 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: I do think that g P was the storyteller of 1085 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: the family, right, He was always a storyteller. I think 1086 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: that probably wrapped up on me. And one of the 1087 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: stories he always used to tell me was about Katie. 1088 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,240 Speaker 1: And I don't remember what her name was originally, um, 1089 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 1: but it was this young girl who went out hunting 1090 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: with her dad right here. She went on hunting out here, 1091 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: a little local and her and her dad went out 1092 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 1: hunting on an opening day and they went out sitting 1093 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: and it was one of those nights where it's like 1094 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,719 Speaker 1: really cold and snowy and everything, but you could tell 1095 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,359 Speaker 1: there was a front blowing in. You're sitting there and 1096 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: there's a there's a snoise and this deer comes walking 1097 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,080 Speaker 1: out and Dad shoots, the shoots the buck, gets the deer, 1098 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: and the the deer runs off though, but for whatever reason, 1099 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,520 Speaker 1: Katie's dad says, well, hey, you stay right here. I'm 1100 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: gonna go get the buck. You just stay here, don't 1101 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: leave this log. And when he leaves that log and 1102 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 1: leaves Katie and her name is I don't know, Karen, 1103 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,439 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll call her Karen says on the log. Dad 1104 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: goes look for the buck, but it ran off at 1105 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: a distance. Well, as soon as he leaves, that front 1106 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: pushes through to start snowing, and it's snowing and snowing 1107 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,959 Speaker 1: and snowing. And the dad never does find that buck, 1108 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: but he tries to come back to find Karen. He 1109 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: can't find Karen either, and he walks all over the place, 1110 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,320 Speaker 1: can't find Karen, goes back to town, gets the locals. 1111 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: The locals come out and they walk and walk and walk, 1112 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: and they can never find Karen. Again. Well, Karen had 1113 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: been lost out there in the woods, and she didn't 1114 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 1: wondered what happened to dad, and she starts walking around 1115 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: and trying to find him, and she's lost in the snow, 1116 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: and she ends up getting really cold and scared. Obviously 1117 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: she's like seven years old or something, and um, she 1118 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm kind of paraphrasing and embellishing a 1119 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: little bit as I remember the story. Um, but as 1120 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: I remember the story going in one way or another, 1121 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember if she got cold and she snuggled 1122 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: up into a hole or what happened. But but one 1123 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: way or another, this little baby girl got hum found 1124 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: by a pack of coyotes, and the pack of coyotes 1125 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: adopted her and took care of her and a little 1126 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: Karen grew up with the coyotes and became the wolf 1127 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: Laby of the woods out here. But she never forgot Ken. 1128 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: She never forgot Ken Rovan, and so she she then 1129 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: became Ken Rovan Tilly What when When Mark was young, 1130 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: he used to say, you know, Mark, be really careful 1131 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 1: because sometimes in the middle of the night, if you 1132 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: look out one of the windows, you'll see Ken. You'll 1133 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: see Katie looking up with her hands up on the window, 1134 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: looking in, trying to find out, trying to get in 1135 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,960 Speaker 1: to get the worm, you know, the warmth by the fireplace. 1136 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: So Katie at this point, by the time I was 1137 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: seven or years old, Katie was an old lady that 1138 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: ran around with long gray hair. And so yeah, I would. 1139 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: I would sit here. These used to be a used 1140 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: to be a couch, my favorite couch until my dad 1141 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: took it through it away the other year, which I 1142 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: will still not forgive before. Now it's a lousy cot um. 1143 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: But this big window right across the way. I would 1144 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: always sleep here, and that window was right in front 1145 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 1: of me, and every night I'd be afraid to look 1146 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: out that one day because I just knew that Katie 1147 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120 Speaker 1: would be staring in at me. And one time I 1148 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 1: was sitting here by myself for some reason. All you 1149 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: guys were gone and I wasn't here by myself, and 1150 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: it was just about dark, maybe for summer, and I 1151 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: hadn't gun hunting one night, but everybody else did and 1152 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 1: I stayed in here, so it was like last light. 1153 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,840 Speaker 1: And it's that edge of daylight in the evening where 1154 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: a dark shape can morph into anything, you know, Like 1155 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,640 Speaker 1: you see that sometimes when you're sitting out there in 1156 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,479 Speaker 1: the morning and it's just about daylight. But at this point, 1157 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 1: is that a deer coming and then it finally becomes daylight? 1158 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: He rose as the bush or it's you know, something 1159 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: that's obviously not. I dear, what was that time of night? 1160 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,439 Speaker 1: And I swore, I mean, I swore Katie was sitting 1161 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: here at the edge of the pines, about seven yards away, 1162 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: standing in the corner, just kind of almost like a coyote, 1163 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: sitting on his haunches, that's what she was doing. And 1164 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: you can see this long gray hair and looking right 1165 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: at me, and I just put remember running back to 1166 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: the couch and burying my head in the couch and 1167 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: not wanting to move till you guys got back. You know, 1168 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old, and you know, it was 1169 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: bad night. I think I figured something out. I think 1170 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 1: I now know why, Um, your aunt Sue never came 1171 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 1: back up hunting stories. Maybe yeah, all right, I ask 1172 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: a question. Yeah, I feel like I should know this, 1173 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: and I feel like I probably did know this at 1174 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,640 Speaker 1: one time. But Kelly asked me, where does Ken Rovan 1175 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 1: come from? Where's the name of the camp come from? Yeah? 1176 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: And I couldn't answer. I I can't remember dead. Wow. 1177 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 1: I wish I could say for sure, But I think 1178 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,240 Speaker 1: I know why for sure? Do you know? Yeah? Why 1179 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: don't you say? Well, okay, what the story I know? 1180 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: And you correct me if I'm wrong. But the story 1181 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I know is that there is a fishing lodge off 1182 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: of a river around here. I think it's Pire Marquette 1183 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,040 Speaker 1: or some other river. And um, he had flowed to 1184 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 1: the river and fished by it, knew of this lodge 1185 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: and seen it, and it was called Grandpa Grandpa, and 1186 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,160 Speaker 1: the lodge is called dun Robin. And when they bought 1187 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: this place, he thought, you know, you gotta have a 1188 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: name for this place. And that kind of popped in 1189 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 1: his head and he liked that name Done Robins, so 1190 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,520 Speaker 1: he's like, well, why don't just take Kenyan and Don 1191 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 1: Rovan and put him together, and he called Ken Roan. 1192 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: That's the story I know as well. Okay, and for 1193 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,160 Speaker 1: your your listeners. So we have coming into our our camp. 1194 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: We have this big um you know, western ranch style 1195 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: entryway that used to have this big I don't know, 1196 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 1: maybe six seven ft wide by a foot or two 1197 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: deep um sign hanging from it with a big wooden 1198 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: letters spelling Ken Rovan. So it made a real kind 1199 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: of a unique kind of setting as you came in, 1200 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: and you know, we're ways off any road, We're half 1201 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 1: a mile off in many roads, and just a little 1202 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,440 Speaker 1: tiny two track with nobody else around us. So it's 1203 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: really kind of a kind of cool. Yeah. Um, so, 1204 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,560 Speaker 1: where the heck we're before that? Oh so, so we 1205 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 1: talked about Katie talked about how we got the name. 1206 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,439 Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, yeah, So what I was curious about 1207 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 1: you were starting to talk a little bit about what 1208 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 1: I started coming up here, and that was something that 1209 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm always curious to hear a little bit more about. 1210 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: So you said it was about three when I started 1211 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: coming up here. Yeah, Yeah, So those first few years. UM. 1212 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,960 Speaker 1: So we had built a blind out north of our 1213 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 1: property out maybe three yards on the edge of the 1214 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,120 Speaker 1: swamp and um, and we built it was a ground blind, 1215 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: but it's a really nice blinds was you know, it 1216 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: was pretty well built up and um with walls that 1217 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, he provided some cover and then a top 1218 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: grant was really big into top, so we always had 1219 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: top covered, which was kind of nice. A little bit 1220 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,680 Speaker 1: like I feel like we need to paint this picture 1221 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 1: a little bit better than because today when people think 1222 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 1: ground blinds, yeah, ground blends are much different than a 1223 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: canyon ground ground blends now or like fiberglass manufacture buildings. 1224 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: The ground blinds of the Canyon household were um usually 1225 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: maybe now he did. He would put a few like 1226 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: four by four posts in the ground and then sometimes 1227 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 1: there'd be like a strip of metal across the top 1228 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: or like somegated plastic on the top. And then he'd 1229 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,480 Speaker 1: like to use like astro turf carpeting. They would go 1230 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,240 Speaker 1: around the wall, so your walls would be astro pain 1231 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: And then for some reason then he would take gutter 1232 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,960 Speaker 1: mesh the metal gutter fencing or whatever it is, and 1233 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: you put that all over the top and bottom of 1234 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: the window openings, um, which you couldn't see through. You 1235 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 1: couldn't see through. There's a little gap obviously for you 1236 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: shoot through. But I think I think he wanted to 1237 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,320 Speaker 1: add that. They're my assumptions that it was somewhat see 1238 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,920 Speaker 1: through for you, but it would break up your outline 1239 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: for the deer yet. Um. And then sometimes he put 1240 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 1: like a chain link curtain almost for the dentry way, 1241 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,760 Speaker 1: like that's what's on his blind Those were fireplace fireplace screen. Yeah, 1242 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,840 Speaker 1: that's right. Um, So that is the type of ground 1243 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: blind that we're talking and those are those are the 1244 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: top end ground blinds. We had, we lower end ground blinds, 1245 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000 Speaker 1: but these are the top end ground blinds. Had the 1246 01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: astro turf carpet. So we had a top and ground 1247 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: online that we had built and it was as a 1248 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: two fer, so we intentionally built it so we can 1249 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 1: put two chairs on there and that sort of thing 1250 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,080 Speaker 1: with the intention of sometimes Grandpa would hunt with you know, 1251 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: either my sister if my sister came up, or or 1252 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,960 Speaker 1: some of the young cousins and that sort of thing. 1253 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,120 Speaker 1: And this is after your sister, Yeah, this is after 1254 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the sister. Yeah. But anyway, but this is big enough 1255 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: for for you. And so the first memory I have 1256 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 1: of Mark, um, you know, hunting with me is is 1257 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,480 Speaker 1: getting into this blind. He's about three years old. We 1258 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,840 Speaker 1: got him all bundled up, and you know, clothing proved 1259 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: a little bit then, so we had some better clothing 1260 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and some boots. We bought 1261 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: surrells from Meyer or whatever. And um, we brought a 1262 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,560 Speaker 1: bag of toys, you know, to kind of keep Mark entertained. 1263 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: And I remember that it's really happening. For the first 1264 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 1: season or two that you know, got in there, he's 1265 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: really excited to get out in the woods. And he's 1266 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,919 Speaker 1: sitting next to me and he's asking me questions, Dad, 1267 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, what do I do now? And where are 1268 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 1: we looking? And so forth, and well about you know, 1269 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 1: we talked. And but within about in half an hour 1270 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,320 Speaker 1: or so, Marks on the bottom of the ground in 1271 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,480 Speaker 1: front the you know, in the blind, planning with the 1272 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 1: toys and planning airplane. You know, that's you know, that's 1273 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: really funny. Is that's what Josh still does. But I 1274 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 1: gotta tell you that changed, so you know, and and 1275 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,680 Speaker 1: and Mark just always loved being parted deer Camp and 1276 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I can't really can't forget. Um it was about that age, 1277 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: maybe four, and we had a particularly successful year. We 1278 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: had three deer hanging on them on the buck pole 1279 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 1: and um, three yeah, three deer. Yeah, one or two 1280 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: of them were pretty good sized, pretty good size box 1281 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know Mark, I've got you've got movies 1282 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,480 Speaker 1: of this of Mark walking out in his you know, 1283 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,160 Speaker 1: flame orange sweatshirt and bundled up. You know, he looks 1284 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: like a little like a Michelin man and dressed in orange. 1285 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: He's walking underneath the deer, you know, when he's pointing 1286 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: up with them, when he's looking up and you know, 1287 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,480 Speaker 1: you can just tell when we'd all be inside the cabin, 1288 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, playing poker, and that's sort of Mark. We 1289 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Mark would disappear and we'd go outside. Where's Mark. We'd 1290 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,439 Speaker 1: go out with a flashlight in China, and here's Mark 1291 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 1: standing under the deer, you know, looking up at the deer, 1292 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I can just imagine he's thinking, you know, 1293 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot me one of them. So but you know, 1294 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 1: the real seminal moment for me, the time when I 1295 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,760 Speaker 1: knew that it was all over for me, was about 1296 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 1: maybe five years later, Mark was maybe nine years old, 1297 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe ten, and we're actually back in the same same place, 1298 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,920 Speaker 1: same blind and um uh it was another cold mooring. Uh. 1299 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Mark and I were hunting together. You know, Mark's a 1300 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 1: little bigger, um, little little outerer. Um. So at this 1301 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: particular time, we're in the woods, um, and we're hunting, 1302 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 1: and we're out there and and you know, for whatever reason, um, 1303 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, Mark had gotten pretty aggressive. And at that 1304 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:05,280 Speaker 1: point he said that he's been reading. He thinks he 1305 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,400 Speaker 1: knows everything there is to know about deer hunting, you know. 1306 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: And so he's telling me about you know, Dad, you 1307 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: have to make sure you do this, and you make 1308 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,920 Speaker 1: sure you do that. And he's eight years old or 1309 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: nine years old. Okay, by the way, something's never changed. 1310 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,800 Speaker 1: But I'll never forget. So so you know, um, I 1311 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: I have a vision challenge, so for me, it's sometimes 1312 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 1: hard to see things distance, right. So I'm there and 1313 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,840 Speaker 1: we're hunting, and and Mark suddenly Mark kind of you 1314 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: know Jazzine the sciences. Dad, Dad, there's a deer coming 1315 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,280 Speaker 1: right through there. And so and of course I'm you know, 1316 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 1: I still think I'm a father. So I said, Okay, Mark, 1317 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: you don't be really quiet, and Dad, I'm quiet. Okay. 1318 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: So so I'm waiting and I'm waiting and Mark's Daddy's 1319 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: He's getting closer. Daddy, He's right behind it. It's a buck, 1320 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,960 Speaker 1: wasn't dear it was? It was a big buck. Yeah. 1321 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 1: It was the first buck that we had ever seen 1322 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,360 Speaker 1: together with hunting right right, And and I, for whatever reason, 1323 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't see it right. And I, you know, 1324 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,520 Speaker 1: brought my rifle up and I was pointing in the 1325 01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,960 Speaker 1: wrong direction because I didn't see the deer and it 1326 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,320 Speaker 1: wasn't making any noise. And Mark's just finally, after about 1327 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: ten minutes of this sneaking well whatever it probably it 1328 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: felt like ten minutes, it felt like I felt like longer. 1329 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160 Speaker 1: So finally you could just see the virtual Mark puts 1330 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,680 Speaker 1: his hands on his hips and says, okay, yeah, just 1331 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,599 Speaker 1: give me the gun. And I did. I mean I did. 1332 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I remember being like, Dad, just give 1333 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,280 Speaker 1: me the gun. Just give me the gun. Dad, just 1334 01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,560 Speaker 1: give me the gun. Um. And he wouldn't give me 1335 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,320 Speaker 1: the gun. Um. You were eight years old, and I 1336 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,920 Speaker 1: remember coming back to camp, and as my older self 1337 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,600 Speaker 1: now looking back on it, I feel really bad about it. Actually, Um, 1338 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 1: I imagine you probably felt bad about the situation, and 1339 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,599 Speaker 1: then you have your little snot nose punk eight year 1340 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,040 Speaker 1: old son come back to camp and tell everyone I 1341 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,200 Speaker 1: always saw this buck. Couldn't you couldn't see it. I 1342 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,360 Speaker 1: couldn't see the buck, telling the bucks right there, and 1343 01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to go. He wouldn't give me the gun. 1344 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,799 Speaker 1: Couldn't see it. So if I were you, I would't. 1345 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,559 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been surprised. You could have knocked me 1346 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 1: over the head and I probably deserved it. Um. But 1347 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I do remember that. I remember, I can I can 1348 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,519 Speaker 1: see exactly where that buck walked through in my mind's 1349 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,400 Speaker 1: eye right now. Well, but there's another another seminal moment. 1350 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,360 Speaker 1: So there's there's these things, you know, just like you 1351 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,640 Speaker 1: have kind of milestones in your life, which that you 1352 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,840 Speaker 1: think about it, the whole world changed when you got 1353 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,960 Speaker 1: to that milestone. So that that event with the with 1354 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the g dad, just give me the gun, I'll shoot 1355 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,960 Speaker 1: that was one of those. But there was another one, 1356 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: and it was actually a little bit before that, maybe 1357 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: sex maybe seven. So always at that point, you know, 1358 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,839 Speaker 1: I would lead the way as we went into the woods. 1359 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,840 Speaker 1: I would forge the trail and I'd find my way 1360 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,439 Speaker 1: through the brush and back to the blind and Mark 1361 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,639 Speaker 1: would diligently and dutifully follow me. Well, something happened around 1362 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:54,200 Speaker 1: seven years old. He decided he wanted to lead, and suddenly, 1363 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,880 Speaker 1: instead of me saying Mark and I gotta be really quiet, 1364 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, make sure look for dear Mark was saying, 1365 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Dad too loud, very quiet, look for dear Dad. I 1366 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 1: know it's all over. I don't remember when I remember, 1367 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 1: but I do remember at some point after the gun 1368 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,519 Speaker 1: give me the gun incident. It was sometime after that 1369 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 1: incident when I I don't even know. I don't remember 1370 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 1: when it was that I remember, but at some point 1371 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: it definitely the role shifted in my mind where it 1372 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:26,920 Speaker 1: went from you telling me what to do to me 1373 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: telling you what to do. And it definitely was before 1374 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,280 Speaker 1: it probably should have. So Dad coughs so loud, he 1375 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,519 Speaker 1: sniffles so loud, he moves so loud, he moves too much. 1376 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:47,720 Speaker 1: Somethings haven't changed, oh man. But but yeah, a few, 1377 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,439 Speaker 1: a few of the moments that stand out to me. 1378 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 1: I definitely remember to give me a gun incident, and 1379 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 1: then you talked about that when I was standing out 1380 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: there looking at the buck pole. I the year I 1381 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: remember was the year that I've I've told this story 1382 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,200 Speaker 1: many times in the podcast. Everybody probably knows the store, 1383 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,439 Speaker 1: but it was it was the year that GP shot 1384 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: his big seven point the biggest, the biggest buckets on 1385 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 1: the wall right now. And that's the year I remember 1386 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: walking out and recovering that buck in the snow, and 1387 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,760 Speaker 1: then there's the two big bucks on the buck pole, 1388 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,400 Speaker 1: and I remember that you're looking at those just for days, 1389 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: just going out there and standard looking. Um. But um, 1390 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,120 Speaker 1: you know the other thing I say, Mark, just just 1391 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,040 Speaker 1: another thought. You know, you were always a really important 1392 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,479 Speaker 1: part of deer camp for us. So you know, I 1393 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,360 Speaker 1: guess one of the one of the call outside make 1394 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,599 Speaker 1: to all the listeners is, you know, bring your kids 1395 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: with you. It is such a such an important thing 1396 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,480 Speaker 1: to have your kids to be part of the experience. 1397 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 1: And uh, I think for you, um, for us. You know, 1398 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 1: this group of men, multi generational group, you know, five, six, 1399 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: seven of us, UM, some of us you know, as 1400 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,880 Speaker 1: old as seven years old probably at that point, and 1401 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,840 Speaker 1: then there was you and UM. And I think that 1402 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,479 Speaker 1: just that it brought freshness and the spirit and the 1403 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,759 Speaker 1: joy of hunting. Because you're passing it onto the next generation. 1404 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 1: And you see, you see the excitement and the um, um, 1405 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,719 Speaker 1: just the fascination that a young person has as they're 1406 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,080 Speaker 1: they're going out in the woods and they're shooting their 1407 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: first year and they're experiencing all these things. I just 1408 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,920 Speaker 1: can't say how important it is enough. Yeah, we did 1409 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: a podcast couple months ago, me and two of my friends, UM, 1410 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: talking about introducing your kids to the outdoors and trying 1411 01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,800 Speaker 1: to you know, help create a new hunter. And all 1412 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 1: of us were speaking, um, far ahead of our turns 1413 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,400 Speaker 1: because I had only been a dad for like five 1414 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,920 Speaker 1: months at that point, and one friend had only been 1415 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,720 Speaker 1: a dad for like five or six years. Another guy 1416 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,960 Speaker 1: been a dad for ten years. UM, So they hadn't 1417 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,919 Speaker 1: they hadn't had a successful end result. Yet you raised 1418 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,840 Speaker 1: a son who really got into hunting so much so 1419 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,200 Speaker 1: that his whole life basically revolves around it now. So 1420 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,680 Speaker 1: you really won that one. You figured that out. So 1421 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,519 Speaker 1: what do you think you did right when it came 1422 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,240 Speaker 1: to raising a young kid to become a hunter that 1423 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 1: maybe you could pass on to folks that would hope 1424 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 1: to do this same. Do you remember the what I 1425 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: used to say feed the habit, feed to have you 1426 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: have it. What did that mean? Well, you you were debt, 1427 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,000 Speaker 1: you had you had a tough love um way of 1428 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,400 Speaker 1: raising me in a lot of ways, and it was 1429 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: really important to you, um that I had to worked 1430 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,720 Speaker 1: for just about everything, all right. You weren't going to 1431 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,519 Speaker 1: give me a car, you weren't gonna give me this, 1432 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was like. So nothing, very few 1433 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: things were given to me easily. But one thing that 1434 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,040 Speaker 1: I was spoiled on was hunting or fishing gear because 1435 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,559 Speaker 1: he said it was one thing that you wanted to 1436 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,360 Speaker 1: feed the habit. That was something that you thought was 1437 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: really positive, that you thought was productive for me to 1438 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,680 Speaker 1: be to be spending my time doing. So that was 1439 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,680 Speaker 1: one area where you would, um, if I showed an 1440 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,040 Speaker 1: interest and really wanted to get involved with something, you 1441 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,040 Speaker 1: would definitely make sure that that could happen, you know. 1442 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,400 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing we try to do 1443 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,479 Speaker 1: is we always try to buy um decent gear because 1444 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: I think one of the one of the things that 1445 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: I remember going back to my childhood, um, you know, 1446 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: trumping through the woods with clothing that was just terrible 1447 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,760 Speaker 1: clothing to be on the woods with, right, I mean 1448 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I got cold as almost as soon as I walked 1449 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 1: out of the camper, I was called, um, you know 1450 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,679 Speaker 1: it boots that your feet constantly frozen, UM field field 1451 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,640 Speaker 1: glasses that were you know, Kmart specials. I mean, just 1452 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think you don't have to go out 1453 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,519 Speaker 1: and buy the best equipment, but I think there's a 1454 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,000 Speaker 1: lot to be said. We all, as hunter and hunters 1455 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,400 Speaker 1: and fishermen were always looking at the greatest gear and 1456 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the gear that we ourselves can go out and use 1457 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,040 Speaker 1: to to do our our hobby. But don't forget your kids. 1458 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: And and again you don't have to buy the best equipment, 1459 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,120 Speaker 1: but don't buy the cheapest. Give them given gear that 1460 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 1: that they're going to get excited about and it's going 1461 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: to allow them to have that kind of experience. And 1462 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I think that's what we tried to do with you. Yeah, 1463 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean I definitely. Oh though, to tell you the truth, 1464 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,120 Speaker 1: I remember having to buy my own first real seven 1465 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 1: like camouflage gear, and I bought it myself. I remember, 1466 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm sick of wearing this lousy hand me down orange 1467 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:17,160 Speaker 1: jacket or something. I remember exceptions. Remember when I started 1468 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: working at Gander Mountain is when I really up to 1469 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,559 Speaker 1: my hunting quality gear. I took it to a new 1470 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,679 Speaker 1: level there. Well, and you know when I stay buying 1471 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,760 Speaker 1: good gear. I mean some of that came later and 1472 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 1: largely because of my discount probably discount. Absolutely that was great. 1473 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,120 Speaker 1: That was one of the worst days of my life 1474 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: when you quit. I think I have helped makeup for 1475 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 1: since a little bit. Um but uh, funny um. Another 1476 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 1: story that just popped in my head that now we're 1477 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,400 Speaker 1: really fast forward in that clock. But now I don't 1478 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,000 Speaker 1: know I'm a teenager or something like this, And I 1479 01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,120 Speaker 1: can't remember I've told this story to many people. I 1480 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,760 Speaker 1: don't remember how I told the podcast. But one of 1481 01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 1: my favorite Ken Rovan stories that involved you actual remember 1482 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 1: if I told this story? Do you know the story 1483 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 1: of men? Tell? It's the walk, the night Walk story. 1484 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I know that night Walk story. I 1485 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,200 Speaker 1: don't think so. I think you'll know when to tell him. Um. So, 1486 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,479 Speaker 1: And this this is has to do with my grandpa. 1487 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,920 Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about previous about how he's 1488 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,320 Speaker 1: a pretty serious individual, like he was not, at least 1489 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:27,880 Speaker 1: at least around me. I never knew Grandpa's like a jokester. Um. 1490 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,880 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, he could have a 1491 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,760 Speaker 1: good time, but he was not traditionally that type. So 1492 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,880 Speaker 1: we're all in here in the cabin late at night 1493 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,800 Speaker 1: after hunting and sitting around the fire, just like we're 1494 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,559 Speaker 1: doing right now. And my dad and my uncle I thought, 1495 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's hot in here, right The fires really 1496 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,720 Speaker 1: really warmed it up in here, beautiful night outside, the 1497 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,599 Speaker 1: stars were out. One of the two of you said, 1498 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: you don't want to go for a walk down the road, 1499 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: down the two track. So Bill and Dave go and 1500 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna go for rock down the two track, all 1501 01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,160 Speaker 1: the rest of us staying here sitting around talking. Ten 1502 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,200 Speaker 1: fift minutes goes by, we're chit chatting. GP goes out 1503 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,200 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. We're still sitting around here and you know, 1504 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,479 Speaker 1: telling stories and restoking the fire and everything. And another 1505 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 1: five minutes goes by, and then all of a sudden, 1506 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: her boom bum bum bum boom, and footsteps come running 1507 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,280 Speaker 1: up the deck and the door flies open, and my 1508 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,120 Speaker 1: dad and Bill running here, and my dad's bent over, 1509 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 1: hands on his knees. You guys wouldn't believe it. What 1510 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 1: in the world has happened? And then Bill and Dad 1511 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,519 Speaker 1: go on to say that they're walking down the road 1512 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,080 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they hear, well, what did 1513 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,760 Speaker 1: you hear? Tell us, what did you hear? Heard this 1514 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:42,639 Speaker 1: blood curdling screech just where I don't think you hears screech. 1515 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,640 Speaker 1: I thought you heard the crashing and like the growling 1516 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,160 Speaker 1: was both. It was both. It was the screech and 1517 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,880 Speaker 1: then the growling and then crashing after that. Well, how 1518 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,240 Speaker 1: do you explain the screech? I don't know. I mean, 1519 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,320 Speaker 1: it was just Grandpa making a noise. Like well, because 1520 01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 1: when you guys came running in here, you thought that 1521 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 1: there was a oh yeah, oh yeah, we did. So 1522 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,240 Speaker 1: you described this bear having been like crunching through the woods, 1523 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,800 Speaker 1: making a bunch of noise and coming towards you. And 1524 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,240 Speaker 1: then you and Bill come and running all the way 1525 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,080 Speaker 1: down the road, all the back to Cam freaking out. 1526 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Maybe his Bill that screamed yeah, not like but but 1527 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,320 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We looked at each other and we 1528 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,439 Speaker 1: we had flashlights, but they were both I think the 1529 01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,559 Speaker 1: batteries were prolo because we didn't really have much light. 1530 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things where you know, 1531 01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,240 Speaker 1: it was already kind of a it was a beautiful night, 1532 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:30,920 Speaker 1: but it was also kind of a creepy night. And 1533 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, that was the time 1534 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,559 Speaker 1: when we had the coyotes and large quantities around us, 1535 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,680 Speaker 1: so we had, you know, um um groups of coyotes 1536 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,560 Speaker 1: that that seemed like they were just a couple of 1537 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,760 Speaker 1: hundred yards away. So I mean, just this the atmosphere 1538 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,719 Speaker 1: was really kind of spooky and just kind of you know, so, 1539 01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, Uncle Bill, it's pretty hard to scare Uncle Bill. Right, 1540 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, here's a he's a pretty uh, pretty big 1541 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,000 Speaker 1: burly and not big, but it's certainly a strong and 1542 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:04,280 Speaker 1: powerful wrestler type, and not much would scare him. But 1543 01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,439 Speaker 1: we both we heard that, and we don't remember what 1544 01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about. We must have been talking about 1545 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,599 Speaker 1: something that kind of set us up for it, because 1546 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,200 Speaker 1: I remember hearing that. We looked at each other wide eyed, 1547 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, saucerers for eyes, and we just and Uncle 1548 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Bill and I just did a dead heat back to 1549 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,760 Speaker 1: the cabin. Did you ever think that obviously couldn't have 1550 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,679 Speaker 1: been a bear, because we know that Bill is faster 1551 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,880 Speaker 1: than you, so you would have been eating probably if 1552 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: it had been a bear. Alright, you only need to 1553 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,680 Speaker 1: out run on persons. I just need to out run 1554 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,559 Speaker 1: the slowes guy. So Bill won the race back to 1555 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,000 Speaker 1: camp and you come running in here and you tell us, 1556 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,720 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's a bear or something out there, like, 1557 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,439 Speaker 1: oh man, that's crazy. And then a couple of minutes 1558 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,720 Speaker 1: later we hear steps on the deck again, and then 1559 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,720 Speaker 1: we realized, oh jeez, Grandpa hadn't come back from the 1560 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,759 Speaker 1: bathroom yet. And he opens the door and he looks 1561 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 1: and here at us, and then he just starts laughing, 1562 01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,800 Speaker 1: didn't he starts That's the first time time in my 1563 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:05,320 Speaker 1: life I can remember Grandpa doing a practical joke. And 1564 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,639 Speaker 1: so I don't know which was worse, just the shock 1565 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,320 Speaker 1: of what had happened or knowing that his grandpa that 1566 01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,960 Speaker 1: did it. That's the Grandpa snuck out into the woods, 1567 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,439 Speaker 1: works his way around you guys. And then yeah, it's yeah, 1568 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:26,600 Speaker 1: it's so unlike him and so hilarious. Yeah, yeah, that 1569 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 1: was very funny. We got a lot of good laughs 1570 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,799 Speaker 1: out of that one. Um, are there any other moments 1571 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,960 Speaker 1: up here that stand out? You know, you talked about 1572 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,599 Speaker 1: different seminal moments with me or or with him or 1573 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,840 Speaker 1: with anyone else, and any others that stand up for. 1574 01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,360 Speaker 1: So this is maybe one an example that of one 1575 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 1: that stands out for. Relatively recently, we've joked about this. 1576 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 1: This happened was last year or the year before. Um so, 1577 01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, having had a deer up here in a while. Um, 1578 01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,160 Speaker 1: I think it was two years ago. I guess it was. 1579 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,320 Speaker 1: So I have a blind I called the trench line, 1580 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,400 Speaker 1: which is down from the cabin hundred yards or so, 1581 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,519 Speaker 1: and um it's it's a you know for us old guys, 1582 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:11,639 Speaker 1: it's an easy walk. We'll we'll we'll say the dad 1583 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,000 Speaker 1: is very particular about his entry and exit routes. Well 1584 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,920 Speaker 1: we'll spend it that way for your dad. You're really 1585 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,320 Speaker 1: good at entry and exit. So a smooth, quiet hundred yards. 1586 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: So so let's say it's a beautiful, beautiful evening. Um uh, 1587 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: Mark and Josh went out to south. It was just yeah. 1588 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,960 Speaker 1: So so it was about three o'clock. Mark and I 1589 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,880 Speaker 1: finished up what we were doing, had dinner or lunch 1590 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,040 Speaker 1: brother and Mark takes off and goes south, goes to 1591 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,719 Speaker 1: a tree stand over the food pot and U uh, 1592 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 1: So I decide I'm gonna go out and hunt the 1593 01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,760 Speaker 1: trench bline at night and I've I've seen a lot 1594 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,280 Speaker 1: of deer at the trench bline. It's been a pretty 1595 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,240 Speaker 1: good place for deer. Despite the easy access and etcida. 1596 01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,000 Speaker 1: It's been a good line. So I get over there. 1597 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,880 Speaker 1: It's about maybe, you know, four o'clock or so quarter 1598 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,680 Speaker 1: to three, because of course I don't go in quite 1599 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,200 Speaker 1: as early as Mark does. So I get out there 1600 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and it was first five or quarter No no, no, no, 1601 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,880 Speaker 1: not that bad. But I get out there and I 1602 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,519 Speaker 1: noticed that, you know, now, this is a this is 1603 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,000 Speaker 1: a kind of similar kind of blind of what Mark 1604 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,640 Speaker 1: was describing before. So it's a Grandpa blind. It's you know, 1605 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: it's got the corduinated top, and the four by four 1606 01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,439 Speaker 1: is on the corners, and the AstroTurf a on the side, 1607 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,080 Speaker 1: and you know, etcetera. And it used to have the 1608 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:37,479 Speaker 1: cutter and cutter together, but I've torel that down. But 1609 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: are you right? Um? And so I get there and 1610 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,880 Speaker 1: I noticed that that some of the carpeting had fallen 1611 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,880 Speaker 1: down on the side. So you know, I mean, I 1612 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,920 Speaker 1: look at my watch and it's quarter to four. And 1613 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,400 Speaker 1: I said, why, you know, I got some I got 1614 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,800 Speaker 1: plenty of time. Of course, Mark would tell you that 1615 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,160 Speaker 1: Dad's not quite the hard core hunter that he is 1616 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,800 Speaker 1: not just not quite just not quite quite yeah, just 1617 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I go, you know, I'm close 1618 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,760 Speaker 1: to the cabin. So I go back to the cabin. 1619 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 1: I get the staple gun. Can you imagine what I 1620 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,000 Speaker 1: would have done if I'd been there and seeing this. 1621 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: That's why I did it. After your left. Mark will 1622 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,879 Speaker 1: never know, you know, you know things have really changed 1623 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,439 Speaker 1: when you gauge everything you do by what Mark would do. 1624 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,479 Speaker 1: So I sneaked back out to the blind. You didn't sneak, 1625 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,920 Speaker 1: and I staple up the carpet. I'm surprised Mark didn't 1626 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,120 Speaker 1: hear that from here. Probably I could have. I was 1627 01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,960 Speaker 1: I was busy class I was in the climber so 1628 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,400 Speaker 1: I was climbing up at this moment. I was climbing 1629 01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,000 Speaker 1: up in my climbing trees stand. And you didn't hear anything. 1630 01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: I didn't hear. But yeah, that's because I was making 1631 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,519 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of noise. So you know, so I 1632 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,840 Speaker 1: made the very discretionary wise move. She started not bring 1633 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,679 Speaker 1: the staple gun back to the cabin. I should put 1634 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,840 Speaker 1: around of the chair and I sat down and you 1635 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,320 Speaker 1: get settled and bring my rifle up. You know, I 1636 01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,680 Speaker 1: kind of starts scanning with my glasses and you know, 1637 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,400 Speaker 1: looking for deer, and suddenly here's some crashing off to 1638 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,880 Speaker 1: my right, and look over and here's a beautiful turned 1639 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 1: out to be a five point nice, beautiful deer, you know, 1640 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: sneaking his way through towards from the right towards my 1641 01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: center and literally just one of those things that was 1642 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,439 Speaker 1: really close to me. Frankly, I didn't. I thought he'd 1643 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,519 Speaker 1: see me and take off. Mind you, this is five 1644 01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 1: minutes after I stapled the carpet. And what I love though, 1645 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,680 Speaker 1: is that you had the audacity too. You see the 1646 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,800 Speaker 1: buck he's walking in and then you know us that 1647 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,120 Speaker 1: one of the one of the Caster turf car class. 1648 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,800 Speaker 1: It was still flapping. See grabbed the staple then really 1649 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:47,680 Speaker 1: fixed that. I didn't do that, but anyway, so I 1650 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,920 Speaker 1: brought the scope up and put the crossars on his 1651 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,559 Speaker 1: shoulders and pulled the trigger and um, deer runs off 1652 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,360 Speaker 1: and um and I text mark the story, you pull 1653 01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,920 Speaker 1: the trigger, you shoot this deer. I had just gotten 1654 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,240 Speaker 1: and settled in my climbing tree stand. It's like three 1655 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,759 Speaker 1: thirty or something like that. I had just gotten settled 1656 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting down. I think I just pulled 1657 01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,840 Speaker 1: up my gun. And then I was like, boom, jump 1658 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,680 Speaker 1: out of my pants. I mean, so close to me, 1659 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,160 Speaker 1: so loud, and it's three thirty in the afternoon. It 1660 01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,160 Speaker 1: came from right where you're sitting. And the first thing 1661 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,840 Speaker 1: I thought was, oh my god, my dad fell and 1662 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,880 Speaker 1: the gun went off and he shot himself or something like, 1663 01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,920 Speaker 1: there's no way he shot a deer at first of all, 1664 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:36,880 Speaker 1: my dad, second of all, and he's a hundred yards 1665 01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,320 Speaker 1: from the cabin. Yeah, like, there's no way this could 1666 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 1: be a good thing. So immediately I was I panicked. 1667 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, something really bad just happened. 1668 01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,360 Speaker 1: And I was about to climb down, and I thought, 1669 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him one No, I was either going 1670 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,920 Speaker 1: to give you one minute and call you, or maybe 1671 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,560 Speaker 1: I called you immediately. I think I called you immediately, 1672 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,800 Speaker 1: and if he was an answer, I'm I'm running over there, 1673 01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,559 Speaker 1: like we un fair, what's going on? But I was scared. 1674 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't excited. I was like scared, and I call 1675 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,080 Speaker 1: you and then then we picked up, like what just happened? 1676 01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Good shot a bull? It blew my mind absolutely blew 1677 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,599 Speaker 1: my mind. I couldn't believe it was crazy, blew your mind. 1678 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,800 Speaker 1: And you had no idea about the staple. Yeah, I 1679 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,680 Speaker 1: didn't even know about the staple incident yet. If I 1680 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,680 Speaker 1: had known him, that color me surprised. The whole thing 1681 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,000 Speaker 1: was pretty wild. But yeah, we went over there and waited, 1682 01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,760 Speaker 1: waited an hour, and then tracked him right to where 1683 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,040 Speaker 1: he's at. And that was a cool moment. That was 1684 01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,720 Speaker 1: the first I mean as the first moment like that 1685 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,680 Speaker 1: we got to share together, um a long time, in 1686 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,639 Speaker 1: a long time, and I guess we had we killed 1687 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,920 Speaker 1: the buck with me a few years before that back 1688 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,200 Speaker 1: in southern Michigan. Um, but that was the first one 1689 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:58,000 Speaker 1: up here, So that was that was really cool. Um, 1690 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:03,120 Speaker 1: that was a good one, Ash. Do you have any 1691 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,320 Speaker 1: of some further stories, Do you any further stories you 1692 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,280 Speaker 1: need to share, or any questions about any other questions 1693 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:12,920 Speaker 1: about the history of this place stories? I mean, my 1694 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,360 Speaker 1: my one story from up here as when I'd rather 1695 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:20,800 Speaker 1: not share, I think you spendenty of times. Yeah, um, 1696 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,519 Speaker 1: not one of my finer moments. But that's really the 1697 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,240 Speaker 1: only dumb thing I've thinking I've done up here, And 1698 01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. For me, I was gonna say, you 1699 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,320 Speaker 1: mean you you calendar your events by how many dumb things? 1700 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,439 Speaker 1: I try to focus really hard when I'm here, so 1701 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,599 Speaker 1: I don't do anything stupid. I'm just really glad I'm 1702 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,799 Speaker 1: not alone. Yeah. Do you guys like when I'm not around? 1703 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,599 Speaker 1: Do you just like commiserate about what an asshole I have? Something? 1704 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,960 Speaker 1: Is that basically what you guys talk about? That Mark 1705 01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:58,760 Speaker 1: who brought him along? Oh? Man? Oh, well, let's is uh. 1706 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,120 Speaker 1: It is always always good to be up here, and 1707 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,200 Speaker 1: I love I mean, I could keep asking you to 1708 01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,639 Speaker 1: just tell story after store. I just love hearing all 1709 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: the old stories. And I was like that when I 1710 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,280 Speaker 1: was seven years old, and I'm still like that now 1711 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,800 Speaker 1: at thirty one, and hopefully at forty seven, I'll still 1712 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,559 Speaker 1: be the same way. Well, he as a as a 1713 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,479 Speaker 1: dad and a new grand father. My excitement is being 1714 01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,479 Speaker 1: able to share that all over again with your son, Everett. Yeah, 1715 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,639 Speaker 1: I am very very excited. I was already thinking about 1716 01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,799 Speaker 1: that tonight. I told you earlier today that thinking about 1717 01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: um kind of taking Grandpa's old ground blend. He had 1718 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,439 Speaker 1: a spot that he he used to hunt and hear the most, 1719 01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,280 Speaker 1: and that's I hunt around that area. Now it's kind 1720 01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:37,880 Speaker 1: of become my little zone that I hunt a lot. 1721 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,800 Speaker 1: We've been working on these food plots around there, and 1722 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,479 Speaker 1: I killed my first buck kind of oven near there, 1723 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,160 Speaker 1: and so I kind of inherited that spot. And um, 1724 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,320 Speaker 1: his old ground blend, though we haven't really done anything 1725 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,240 Speaker 1: with since grand passed, and it's kind of fallen under 1726 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,240 Speaker 1: disrepair and the bears have kind of tore it up. 1727 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,920 Speaker 1: And so the foundation, like the poles are still there 1728 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,680 Speaker 1: and the roofs still there, but all the carpeting has 1729 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,800 Speaker 1: fallen down, and the gut arest I was fallen down, 1730 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 1: and the little fireplace screens still there. Um, but I was, 1731 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,320 Speaker 1: I was standing out in front of it. And actually, interestingly, 1732 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,840 Speaker 1: it's weird. You know I told the start a couple 1733 01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and you had told me this well 1734 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,040 Speaker 1: mid October, mean further are here we're hunting. I'm sitting 1735 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,840 Speaker 1: this tree stand overlooking this field, a little food plot. 1736 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,880 Speaker 1: Now you can see the ground blind. And as I 1737 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,519 Speaker 1: was sitting there, I was thinking about Grandpa and thinking 1738 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,400 Speaker 1: about all these memories, and thinking about the first set 1739 01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I ever had out here, which had been in that 1740 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,240 Speaker 1: ground blind. In that first moment I remember seeing dear 1741 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,360 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about all these things, and then this 1742 01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,240 Speaker 1: black bear shows up undernathing. First time I've ever seen 1743 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,040 Speaker 1: the bear appear. Really cool moment, and you know, I 1744 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,800 Speaker 1: did a video about it and things like that, and 1745 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,800 Speaker 1: then you Dad texted me a couple of days later 1746 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,120 Speaker 1: or a week or so later, and you said, what 1747 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,760 Speaker 1: was the date of that? And I said it was 1748 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:53,000 Speaker 1: October fift and you said, well, that was exactly six 1749 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: years to the day of his passing, right, it was 1750 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,040 Speaker 1: a six year anniversary was passing. So that was that 1751 01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, Like that was like such a 1752 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of a wild thing to have happened that day 1753 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:04,960 Speaker 1: as I was thinking about him and all that stuff 1754 01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,960 Speaker 1: right there. And interestingly, today, um, I am back out 1755 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,920 Speaker 1: there again, and I go out there to hunt, and 1756 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm walking across the plot in the morning and I 1757 01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,080 Speaker 1: noticed fresh bear tracks walking across the plot and I 1758 01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,200 Speaker 1: follow us fresh bear tracks and they literally walk two 1759 01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,600 Speaker 1: steps away from the ground. One they walk right to 1760 01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 1: the blind and just divert right around it by two steps, 1761 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,559 Speaker 1: walked right by Grandpa's blind. And so it's almost like 1762 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,559 Speaker 1: the bear walked me to the blind. And then I 1763 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,800 Speaker 1: was like, well, I should hunt there to night. And 1764 01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,600 Speaker 1: so I sat there tonight thinking about more, and I 1765 01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,640 Speaker 1: told you Dad that, you know what, I think I 1766 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,160 Speaker 1: should fix it back up again, and that should be 1767 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,400 Speaker 1: the first place that ever hunts when he comes up 1768 01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,960 Speaker 1: here with me, kind of full circle, the first place 1769 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,880 Speaker 1: that's at and now I can take my son to 1770 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,400 Speaker 1: sit there again. Um, And it's it's kind of like this, 1771 01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it is, spirit animal 1772 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. The bear kind of led me to it 1773 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,400 Speaker 1: again after that cool earlier. I don't know, it's all 1774 01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,599 Speaker 1: kind of strange coincidence or something, but kind of cool. 1775 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,920 Speaker 1: So I think that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna 1776 01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,479 Speaker 1: get that fixed up again. And I can't wait to 1777 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,439 Speaker 1: take my son up here and to introduce him to 1778 01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:18,400 Speaker 1: all these things and these stories and you know, and 1779 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about how Grandpa buying large was 1780 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,360 Speaker 1: a pretty serious guy. But you know where Grandpa was 1781 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,400 Speaker 1: the happiest, where he really was himself and really enjoyed 1782 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,680 Speaker 1: things the most was when he was out in the 1783 01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,799 Speaker 1: woods or in a boat with you, fishing or hunting. 1784 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,760 Speaker 1: He was always it's it's you know, there's all sorts 1785 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,680 Speaker 1: of stories about Grandpa and some you know, he was 1786 01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:46,320 Speaker 1: a tough guy sometimes, but I will always remember those 1787 01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,600 Speaker 1: moments that he just was, you know, taking me to 1788 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,040 Speaker 1: do all these things with him and you and him 1789 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,960 Speaker 1: and me, going places and hunting and fishing. I mean 1790 01:31:53,960 --> 01:32:00,360 Speaker 1: that those are like the the foundational experiences of my life. Um, yeah, 1791 01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:04,200 Speaker 1: did you ever think you'd be doing this? No? No, 1792 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,559 Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, all those things made me 1793 01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,040 Speaker 1: who I am today, which had made it just led 1794 01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,840 Speaker 1: me to have the opportunities I've had. Have you ever 1795 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:18,240 Speaker 1: told the story about sitting in your your dorm slash 1796 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:23,360 Speaker 1: apartment near Columbia University in Manhattan and interning at Fleishman 1797 01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,400 Speaker 1: Hillard and Board and out of your tears and decided 1798 01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,600 Speaker 1: to start up Wire to Hunt. Yes, I have. I 1799 01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,559 Speaker 1: had told this story. So people are probably sick of 1800 01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,120 Speaker 1: this story. I won't regale that one again. But yeah, 1801 01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's been a lot of interesting things that 1802 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,280 Speaker 1: led to let us here now, which is pretty cool, 1803 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,439 Speaker 1: and it all started here. It's a little Kevin with 1804 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,559 Speaker 1: that's largely just about the dang same as it was 1805 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,519 Speaker 1: when I was here at three years old. I mean, 1806 01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,519 Speaker 1: the same pictures on the wall, the same deer on 1807 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,960 Speaker 1: the wall. There's still no electricity, there's still no running water, 1808 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,320 Speaker 1: there's still no running toilet. The woman folks still don't 1809 01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,240 Speaker 1: want to come up here. First thing that happens when 1810 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:13,599 Speaker 1: I get home is your mother says strip. Yeah. But 1811 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:24,200 Speaker 1: unfortunately it's not for any good reasons. I'm sorry this 1812 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:29,599 Speaker 1: is it's not because they're trying to make kidnap before. 1813 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,840 Speaker 1: If we're going down that road, Mark and I could 1814 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,680 Speaker 1: keep this podcast going if we want to tell the 1815 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:41,880 Speaker 1: embarrassing Yeah, there's there's all sorts of embarrassing stories that 1816 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,000 Speaker 1: we won't tell about you, Dad, Um, but we will 1817 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,920 Speaker 1: say that that the cabin does have a little bit 1818 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,960 Speaker 1: of a unique odor to it. Supposedly that all of 1819 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,360 Speaker 1: our wives claim that when we come back, we have 1820 01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,280 Speaker 1: a smell of ken robin to us. And so yeah, 1821 01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Mom always makes you take all your clothes is off 1822 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,960 Speaker 1: in the garage, and then my wife now does the 1823 01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,000 Speaker 1: same thing. I had to keep all my stuff in 1824 01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,200 Speaker 1: the mud room. It's a mixture of the fire and 1825 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,200 Speaker 1: those middle of the night buck grunts that go on. 1826 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,880 Speaker 1: You know what's the worst, Josh is when you're laying 1827 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,559 Speaker 1: on the couch and then the and then the elder 1828 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,799 Speaker 1: statesman of the cabin comes walking by and then happens 1829 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,880 Speaker 1: to pause for a moment right in front of your face, 1830 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,120 Speaker 1: and then there's a buck grunt mysteriously and then like 1831 01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,800 Speaker 1: you feel the hair on the side of your head 1832 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,320 Speaker 1: to kind of shifts to one of the song It's 1833 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,640 Speaker 1: a bad night. You know. I'm really glad this podcast 1834 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:39,519 Speaker 1: is not nationally citicated those old buck grunts. I would 1835 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,839 Speaker 1: have rather gone cold than have the fire get stoked 1836 01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,519 Speaker 1: that night. Yeah, that was one of those nights that 1837 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,680 Speaker 1: the fire wasn't then port I'm on that note. I 1838 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,920 Speaker 1: think we will. I think we'll wrap it up unless 1839 01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,479 Speaker 1: uh any final thoughts. First, just thank you guys for 1840 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,760 Speaker 1: allowing me to come up and inviting me to come 1841 01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,840 Speaker 1: up every year. This is one of the favorite my 1842 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,599 Speaker 1: ever times of the year is getting to come up 1843 01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,880 Speaker 1: here and hang out for a couple of days. It's 1844 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,040 Speaker 1: never long enough, but it's always a great time when 1845 01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,559 Speaker 1: we get up here, and and uh man, it's just uh, 1846 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,600 Speaker 1: I can't thank you guys enough for your part of 1847 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,240 Speaker 1: the including me in this. It's this is a lot 1848 01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:18,519 Speaker 1: of fun, So thank you and uh Dad, any final thoughts. Well, 1849 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,960 Speaker 1: just thanks for the opportunity. It's nice to listen and 1850 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,839 Speaker 1: here all your podcasts and here you're all the questions 1851 01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,760 Speaker 1: that your audience asks and to have a little opportunity 1852 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,840 Speaker 1: to just play a little part of that's cool. It 1853 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,479 Speaker 1: is cool. It's uh, it's fun to have you on 1854 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:37,559 Speaker 1: the show. It's a it's fun to also be able 1855 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:39,040 Speaker 1: to be here and do all the things. And I 1856 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,880 Speaker 1: suppose on the topic of thanks, I should thank you 1857 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,880 Speaker 1: father for having done such a great job introducing me 1858 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,760 Speaker 1: to hunting and fishing in the outdoors and all these 1859 01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,280 Speaker 1: things that have become the foundational element of my life. 1860 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,200 Speaker 1: So thanks to that. Thank you Grandpa, Thank you Ken Rovin, 1861 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,800 Speaker 1: and uh, thank you everyone for listening to us share 1862 01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,400 Speaker 1: these stories, dear camp, and with that we'll shut this 1863 01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,080 Speaker 1: one down. So thank you for joining us, especially on 1864 01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,080 Speaker 1: this holiday week. I hope you had a great time 1865 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,479 Speaker 1: with friends and family over the Thanksgiving break and maybe 1866 01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,320 Speaker 1: you get to hit the tree stand or the ground 1867 01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,960 Speaker 1: blind as well. So I will just give you a 1868 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:19,040 Speaker 1: couple quick reminders. Number One, the wired hunting merchandise. We've 1869 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,240 Speaker 1: got hats and t shirts. Those are available again over 1870 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,240 Speaker 1: at the Meat eater dot com. If you go to 1871 01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,080 Speaker 1: our shop, you'll find all that stuff in there. Speaking 1872 01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,280 Speaker 1: things in this shop, Steve Vanilla's new cookbook is available 1873 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,360 Speaker 1: that Steve and j Honest and the whole team worked on. 1874 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,040 Speaker 1: It's the new Hunting and Fishing cookbook, full of recipes 1875 01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:43,479 Speaker 1: for everything from deer, elk, alligator, squirrels, salmon, all sorts 1876 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,519 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's it's really an incredible book. Would highly 1877 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,920 Speaker 1: recommend you check it out. Last I saw it was 1878 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,639 Speaker 1: number four of all books on Amazon, which is pretty incredible. 1879 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,679 Speaker 1: So heading over to Amazon or Barnes Noble or wherever 1880 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,240 Speaker 1: you pick up books and check that out. And with 1881 01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,400 Speaker 1: that last plug out of the way, I will let 1882 01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,599 Speaker 1: you all go enjoy the rest of your holidays. Best 1883 01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,599 Speaker 1: of luck in the woods, and until next time, stayed 1884 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,120 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt. M. H.