WEBVTT - Driverless Cars from 2007 to Today

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works in iHeart radio and I love all

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<v Speaker 1>things tech. And in our last episode, I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand seven Urban Challenge as the autonomous car

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<v Speaker 1>competition that DARPA held, and they were specifically trying to

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<v Speaker 1>spur on innovation in driver less car technology. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the elements I didn't really talk about was how cooperative

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<v Speaker 1>the experience was. I mentioned that there was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>this air of cooperation, and I talked about how Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Hall had created a lidar tool that ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>used by lots of the teams, but it went well

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that. Teams were eager to share their approaches and

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<v Speaker 1>their technologies each other, the algorithms they were using for

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<v Speaker 1>decision making processes. There was a lot of excitement as

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<v Speaker 1>these different, very intelligent groups of people got together and

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<v Speaker 1>began to cross pollinate their ideas. The real goal wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily to beat out everyone else, although of course everyone

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<v Speaker 1>would have liked to have been on the winning team.

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<v Speaker 1>But really the real goal was to overcome this huge

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<v Speaker 1>engineering challenge of developing technologies that would be necessary for

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<v Speaker 1>a car to maneuver through an urban environment safely under

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<v Speaker 1>its own power, following all applicable traffic laws, and integrating

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<v Speaker 1>with human driven vehicles in that space. Some people like

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<v Speaker 1>Sebastian Throne of Stanford Racing Team, would say that the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest achievement to come out of the challenges wasn't winning

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<v Speaker 1>top prize. It was when teams would share their knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>and their experience with one another, allowing separate lines of

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<v Speaker 1>research and development to start to converge, and it's set

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<v Speaker 1>the ground for what would come next. Now, the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand four, two thousand five, and two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven proved that autonomous cars could exist on some level,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the technology that went into making

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<v Speaker 1>cars navigate and operate independently would go into other systems

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<v Speaker 1>and other applications, stuff like various driver assist technologies like

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<v Speaker 1>lane detection or automatic breaking. And it also encouraged some

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<v Speaker 1>big companies to continue supporting efforts to making driver lest

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<v Speaker 1>cars a reality. So one thing to acknowledge is, even

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to say we're never going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at a time where truly autonomous cars, ones that could

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<v Speaker 1>take us from any starting location to Indy, any ending

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<v Speaker 1>location that's connected by roads to our starting point. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if we say that's never going to be possible, not

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<v Speaker 1>truly rely Apple, what we can say is we've already

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<v Speaker 1>seen numerous technologies that were spawned by these competitions that

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<v Speaker 1>are we're not only going into cars today, but are

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<v Speaker 1>saving lives in the process. So that's that's already a

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<v Speaker 1>great outcome to this DARPA challenge, even if you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>again agree that ultimately this was to make more more

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<v Speaker 1>automated military ground combat vehicles, and even in that case

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<v Speaker 1>that was intended to help save soldiers lives. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a noble endeavor as well. But let's talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the companies and organizations that formed in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of these grand challenges. You had General Motors and Carnegie

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<v Speaker 1>Mellon University get together. They launched a research and development

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<v Speaker 1>program called the Autonomous Driving Collaborative Research Lab. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>also had Volkswagen establish a similar effort with stand For University. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>those academic research programs didn't receive nearly as much public

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<v Speaker 1>attention as the other really big entity that got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the field not long after the challenges, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would be Google, later known as Alphabet or way Mo.

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<v Speaker 1>So Alphabets, the parent companies, the holding company under which

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<v Speaker 1>UH the smaller companies and smaller by smaller, I just

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<v Speaker 1>mean hierarchically would spin off. So you have like Google,

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<v Speaker 1>which continues to focus on the core business of the

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<v Speaker 1>overall company, but you have these other subsidiaries that are

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<v Speaker 1>subsidiaries of Alphabet, not of Google anyway. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>would be a division that was specifically in research and

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<v Speaker 1>development in the area of autonomous cars. So in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven, Sebastian Throne took a sabbatical from being a

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<v Speaker 1>professor at Stanford to go work at Google for a

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<v Speaker 1>short while. Turned out to be longer than a short while,

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<v Speaker 1>but he and a team were hired on essentially to

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<v Speaker 1>help develop Google's street view tool. That's the tool that's

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<v Speaker 1>integrated into various maps systems that Google does and allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to take a street level look at different locations.

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<v Speaker 1>It was done by driving special cars outfitted with special

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<v Speaker 1>cameras through all these different streets and all these different locations.

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<v Speaker 1>They had about a year UH scheduled to try and

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<v Speaker 1>map out all the roads they could in various major cities,

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<v Speaker 1>and they ended up doing it in nine months, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty impressive anyway. That project has had plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>news coverage, not just because of its utility, but also

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<v Speaker 1>because of concerns about privacy and security. Not everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>super crazy about the idea of using an online tool

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<v Speaker 1>to virtually coast down streets and take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>different addresses, not to mention possibly spying people that you

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<v Speaker 1>recognize in places they should not be, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>topic for another time. In two thousand nine, Google would

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<v Speaker 1>go a step further and secretly began testing autonomous vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had been in development of that for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years as well, and Sebastian Thron had worked

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<v Speaker 1>on that. They were retrofitting Toyota Prius cars at first,

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<v Speaker 1>and the goal was to conduct ten one hundred mile

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<v Speaker 1>trips in those cars without interruption, So uninterrupted one mile

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<v Speaker 1>trips with Toyota previous is ten times. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand nine, Google would rack up more autonomously

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<v Speaker 1>driven miles than had been accumulated over all previous years

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<v Speaker 1>of experimentation among all autonomous car programs, so in one

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<v Speaker 1>year they eclipsed everything that had come before it. In

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<v Speaker 1>Sebastian Throne would officially join Google as a Google Fellow

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<v Speaker 1>and found a secret research and development division within the

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<v Speaker 1>company called Goal X. Now, among the many projects that

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<v Speaker 1>division would focus on, the autonomous cars was just one

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<v Speaker 1>would be the self driving cars, and Thron, having participated

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<v Speaker 1>in all three of the DARPA challenges, had really deep

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<v Speaker 1>contacts in that field, and he could call upon them

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<v Speaker 1>to help solve difficult problems that remained in pursuit of

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of a truly autonomous car that could interoperate

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<v Speaker 1>with human society. So Thron ended up hiring people from

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<v Speaker 1>the various competing teams of the DARPA challenges to join

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<v Speaker 1>him at Google in developing further autonomous car technologies. Technically,

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<v Speaker 1>the company had been doing this since two thousand seven. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Hall, the guy who suited up lidar to make

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<v Speaker 1>it an indispensable tool, became a billionaire through his work

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<v Speaker 1>at Velo Dine. In the meantime, and read Whittaker over

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<v Speaker 1>at Carnegie, Melon would continue teaching at that university, effectively

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<v Speaker 1>training the next generation of roboticists and compute of scientists

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the entire industry were continuing to develop machine learning

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<v Speaker 1>strategies that would become useful in multiple applications, including teaching

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<v Speaker 1>a car how to drive itself. There were numerous groups

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<v Speaker 1>that thought, this is the real secret to developing a

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<v Speaker 1>truly autonomous car is through machine learning. Not programming a

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<v Speaker 1>car on what to do in any given situation, but

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<v Speaker 1>teaching a car, sort of akin to how you would

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<v Speaker 1>teach a young driver about how to conduct him or

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<v Speaker 1>herself in a car. By this stage, Google's tests had

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<v Speaker 1>drawn attention from the press. The New York Times published

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<v Speaker 1>a piece in October twenty ten titled Google Cars drive

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in Traffic. The article revealed that Google had been

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<v Speaker 1>conducting tests in plain site for several months, but at

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<v Speaker 1>that point had not commented on what those tests were

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<v Speaker 1>all about, and the company was content with people just

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that it was another Google street view car. There

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<v Speaker 1>were fifteen engineers working on the project, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>hired a dozen or so drivers whose job it was

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<v Speaker 1>to monitor the performance of the vehicles and to take

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<v Speaker 1>over if necessary. The engineers testing the vehicles had three

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<v Speaker 1>main ways that they could take control back from the car.

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<v Speaker 1>In each test vehicle, engineers had installed a button, a

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<v Speaker 1>nice candy like red button that was on the right

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<v Speaker 1>hand side of the driver so they could easily hit

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<v Speaker 1>the button and that would switch controls to manual. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can also do it if you tapped on the

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<v Speaker 1>brakes or if you turned the steering wheel, the car

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<v Speaker 1>would hand over a control to the driver. Google had

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<v Speaker 1>a little hiccup in two thousand eleven, a public hiccup

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<v Speaker 1>that was when one of its driver less vehicles was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in a low speed car crash, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>time everyone assumed this was the first uh in real

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<v Speaker 1>world car crash with an autonomous car. However, this particular

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<v Speaker 1>incident was only a very tiny hiccup because it soon

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<v Speaker 1>became public that the car, the autonomous car, was actually

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<v Speaker 1>in manual control mode at the time. The human driver

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<v Speaker 1>behind the wheel was responsible for the accident, not the

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<v Speaker 1>driver lest car technology. Google's driver lest cars would maintain

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect safety record in autonomous mode until publicly. That's

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<v Speaker 1>assuming if you say perfect safety record in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that the autonomous vehicles were not found to be at fault.

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<v Speaker 1>There were incidents where autonomous cars were involved in car accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>but in every case until two thousand sixteen, every public

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<v Speaker 1>case it was determined that the other driver was at fault. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>stress on public. I'll back to what I mean in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes. In two thousand twelve, Google began

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<v Speaker 1>to expand its fleet of driverless cars. It added a

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<v Speaker 1>Lexus r x f H to the mix, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just Toyota Prius is Uh. They had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of others as well, and the company began to develop

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<v Speaker 1>its own sensors and began to replace the off the

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<v Speaker 1>shelf kind of stuff it was buying. I mean off

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf if you know which shelves to look at,

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<v Speaker 1>and still pretty exclusive materials, but now the company was

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<v Speaker 1>developing stuff in house purpose built for their own cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand twelve was also when a few Google employees

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<v Speaker 1>were allowed to start testing this technology on highways around

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<v Speaker 1>Google's campus, so it was outside of just the direct

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<v Speaker 1>team working on the project. Now other Google employees could

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<v Speaker 1>end up driving an autonomous car and allowing it to

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<v Speaker 1>operate an autonomous mode in specific regions and under specific

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<v Speaker 1>sets of circumstance answers. There are a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>rules in place to participate in this, so you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>just turn it on autonomous and sit back all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And two thousand twelve was when the state of Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>made history by becoming the first state to license autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>cars for use on state roads. California would follow suit

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<v Speaker 1>that same year, but the bill that Governor Jerry Brown

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<v Speaker 1>had signed would only take effect starting in two thousand fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>In January two thousand thirteen, Audi and Toyota both showed

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<v Speaker 1>off autonomous vehicle concept designs at c S, so it

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<v Speaker 1>showed that lots of UH entities were still very much

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<v Speaker 1>interested in driverless cars, not just Google. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen, Google unveiled a prototype electric car that had

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<v Speaker 1>a top speed of twenty five miles per hour. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no steering wheel, no break, no accelerator, no controls

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<v Speaker 1>to allow a human driver to actually take manual control

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<v Speaker 1>of the car. Inside the car, the car did have

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<v Speaker 1>some control, but there were buttons that would tell it

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<v Speaker 1>when it could go and when it should stop. So

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<v Speaker 1>these vehicles were not intended for commercial use. They were

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<v Speaker 1>part of Google's R and D to to test out

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of a vehicle that doesn't even have manual controls.

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<v Speaker 1>It requires a lot of trust be put into the system. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, these were very limited in their scope.

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<v Speaker 1>Top speed of twenty five hour suggests that you would

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<v Speaker 1>use them on like residential streets and stuff. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>use them on a highway. They wouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get up to speed. In two thousand and fourteen, the

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<v Speaker 1>state of California past legislation requiring any company operating autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles in the state to submit reports on any accident

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<v Speaker 1>involving a vehicle operating an autonomous mode that would result

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<v Speaker 1>in quote damage of property or in bodily injury or

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<v Speaker 1>death end quote. After that point, Google would report several accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>like more than three dozen. Most of those appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be the fault of human drivers, not the autonomous systems.

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<v Speaker 1>But according to some Google executives, there were some accidents

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<v Speaker 1>that happened between two thousand eleven and when this piece

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation was signed in two thousand fourteen that Google

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<v Speaker 1>chose to keep quiet, and the logic that the company

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<v Speaker 1>used was that, well, those accidents happened before that law

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<v Speaker 1>was passed, so it doesn't really apply to those. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to talk about accidents that have already happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Just from this point forward, we'll talk about it. One

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<v Speaker 1>of those accidents involved someone who had participated in two

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<v Speaker 1>of the DARPA Grand Challenges, someone who was working for

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<v Speaker 1>Google and who had become something of a thorn in

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<v Speaker 1>the company's side, and that person was Anthony Lewandowski. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain more in a second, but first let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break to thank our sponsor Lewandowski. If you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the previous episodes, he was the guy who competed

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<v Speaker 1>using a self balancing motorcycle in the two thousand four

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<v Speaker 1>and two thousand five Grand Challenge competitions. The name of

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<v Speaker 1>that motorcycle, by the way, no big surprise, was ghost Writer.

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<v Speaker 1>He had joined Google in two thousand seven to work

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<v Speaker 1>with Sebastian Thrun on the Google street View project, and

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<v Speaker 1>Lewandowski started a few companies related to autonomous cars. He

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<v Speaker 1>had developed these technologies for ghost Writer, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>started some startups that were focused on specific elements that

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<v Speaker 1>he had created for a ghost Writer, including one that

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<v Speaker 1>used spinning light AR as a sensing technology. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>invent that, but he did develop our start up a

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<v Speaker 1>company that specialized in that then he pushed Google to

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<v Speaker 1>buy the tech his other companies happened to be making,

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<v Speaker 1>which you might think is a little questionable. Lewandowski was

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to market his own company's products for

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<v Speaker 1>a project he was working on with Google, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was in charge of hardware for autonomous cars over at Google,

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<v Speaker 1>and then said, well, for us to outfit these cars,

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<v Speaker 1>let's buy this tech from this these two companies. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to own those two companies, So I'm using

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<v Speaker 1>the money from the company I work for to funnel

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<v Speaker 1>into companies I own. People began to have questions about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it totally worked. As people at Google learned about

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<v Speaker 1>what had gone on, they started to get a little

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about this and about Lewandowski. Uh. It got worse

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<v Speaker 1>when it became known that Lewandowski was talking to some competitors,

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<v Speaker 1>some other companies outside of Google about selling them the

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<v Speaker 1>same technology. This was complicated because he was operating those

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<v Speaker 1>businesses outside of Google. He was a business owner and

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<v Speaker 1>and those technically didn't belong to Google. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time he was working for Google, so it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like he might be undercutting Google or helping out their competitors,

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<v Speaker 1>which was complicated. Larry Page, the head of Google, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>directed the company to acquire Lewandowski's businesses rather than risk

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<v Speaker 1>him leaving the company to oversee the businesses himself. Lewandowski

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<v Speaker 1>had indicated that he might leave Google in pursuit of

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<v Speaker 1>leading up these these two companies that he had founded,

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<v Speaker 1>although his commitment to that course of action is something

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<v Speaker 1>that people have questioned that perhaps he just said this

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to encourage Larry Page to shell out

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<v Speaker 1>millions and millions of dollars to acquire these companies. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a report in The New Yorker, several people in

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<v Speaker 1>Project Chauffeur, which was the name the code name for

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<v Speaker 1>the driver less vehicle program at Google, felt that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a mistake to get so tightly connected to levindal Ski.

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<v Speaker 1>Several of the team members questioned his commitment to Google,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as his ethical sensibilities, and this would get

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<v Speaker 1>pushed further after an alleged incident in two thousand eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's how the story goes. There was a Google

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<v Speaker 1>executive named Isaac Taylor who was working on Project Chauffeur,

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<v Speaker 1>and he took a leave of absence from the project

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<v Speaker 1>it was a paternity leave when he became a new

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<v Speaker 1>father in two thousand eleven. When he got back to Google,

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<v Speaker 1>he found out that Lewandowski had made some unauthorized changes

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<v Speaker 1>to the software that guided the driverless cars. So up

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<v Speaker 1>to that point, Google had really placed some pretty tight

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions on the routes that these driverless cars would be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to take an autonomous mode. This is a type

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<v Speaker 1>of geo fencing, where you restrict the operating parameters for

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle. The goal was to gather data through many

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<v Speaker 1>miles of travel, but to control that process by limiting

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<v Speaker 1>where the cars could actually drive under a top aymous mode.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewandowski apparently felt this was not satisfactory, so he made

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<v Speaker 1>changes to the code to let the autonomous cars drive

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<v Speaker 1>on routes that previously had been forbidden. Taylor and Lewandowski

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<v Speaker 1>had a rather spirited argument by all accounts, over at Google,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that point Lewandowski demanded that Taylor accompany him

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<v Speaker 1>on a ride in an autonomous car to show that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a good idea. So, according to the story,

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<v Speaker 1>the two people left in a retrofitted Prius and then

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<v Speaker 1>hit the California Rhodes now I'm going to quote the

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<v Speaker 1>New Yorker piece directly here. This is from an article

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<v Speaker 1>titled did Uber steal Google's intellectual Property? And it was

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<v Speaker 1>written by Charles Duig, and it was published October twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eighteen, so you can find this. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very recent article. And here's Charles Dwig's description of this incident.

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<v Speaker 1>The car went onto a freeway where it traveled past

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<v Speaker 1>an on ramp. According to people with knowledge of events

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<v Speaker 1>that day, the Prius accidentally boxed in another vehicle, a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>A human driver could easily have handled the situation by

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<v Speaker 1>slowing down and laying the camera merge into traffic, but

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<v Speaker 1>Google software wasn't prepared for this scenario. The cars continued

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<v Speaker 1>speeding down the freeway side by side. The cameras driver

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<v Speaker 1>jerked his car onto the right shoulder, then, apparently trying

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid a guardrail, he veered to the left. The

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<v Speaker 1>camera pinwheeled across the freeway and into the median. Lewandowski,

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<v Speaker 1>who acted as the safety driver, swerved hard to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>colliding with the camera, causing Taylor to injure his spine

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<v Speaker 1>so severely that he eventually required multiple surgeries. The Prius

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<v Speaker 1>regained control and turned a corner on the freeway, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the camera behind. Lewandowski and Taylor didn't know how badly

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<v Speaker 1>damaged the camera was. They didn't go back to check

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<v Speaker 1>on the other driver or to see if anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>had been hurt. Neither they nor other Google executives made

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<v Speaker 1>inquiries with the authorities. The police were not informed that

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<v Speaker 1>a self driving algorithm had contributed to the accident. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not a great story. I mean it's written very well.

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<v Speaker 1>No offense to the New Yorker or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not a great thing to have in

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<v Speaker 1>your historical record, no matter who you are, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>particularly bad for a company that used to have the

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<v Speaker 1>motto don't be evil. Now Lewandowski would actually double down

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<v Speaker 1>on the results of this incident. Rather than saying, whoops,

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<v Speaker 1>my bad, I done did something terrible that caused damage,

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<v Speaker 1>impossibly injury, certainly injury to his coworker, he ended up

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the incident actually provided proof that there was

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<v Speaker 1>work needed on the algorithms, and that Google could learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the mistake, and that this was kind of that

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<v Speaker 1>Silicon Valley philosophy of failure is good because you learn

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<v Speaker 1>from failure, okay well. The article from The New Yorker

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<v Speaker 1>also states that there was at least one accident that

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<v Speaker 1>happened while a driverless car was in autonomous mode that

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<v Speaker 1>did not get reported to to the police or to

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<v Speaker 1>the press. According to the article, a car nicknamed Kit

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<v Speaker 1>after good Old Night Writer, was rear ended at an

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<v Speaker 1>intersection when the autonomous car breaked suddenly after being unable

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<v Speaker 1>to differentiate a yellow light from a red light, so

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<v Speaker 1>they stopped short or stopped too suddenly, and the car

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<v Speaker 1>behind them was unable to stop and ran into them.

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<v Speaker 1>As for Lewandowski, he would stay at Google until two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and sixteen, when he'd leave in order to go

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<v Speaker 1>found a new company called Auto O t t O.

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<v Speaker 1>Auto would consult with Uber for their driverless car program.

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<v Speaker 1>Google executives would allege that Leven Owlski took proprietary information

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<v Speaker 1>and trade secrets with him in this move. They had

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<v Speaker 1>proof that he had downloaded and transferred an enormous number

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<v Speaker 1>of files, though there were questions about how valuable those

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<v Speaker 1>files actually were, and Uber would ultimately fire Lewandowski as

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<v Speaker 1>this case developed. The actual trial happened in early two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eighteen and it was marked with a lot of messy,

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<v Speaker 1>complicated legal maneuvers on all sides. One day I may

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<v Speaker 1>have to do a full episode just on that lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>and what came out of it. But we can skip

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<v Speaker 1>to the end. Google's Weymo, because that's what the that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Project Chauffeur evolved into, was a subsidiary company called

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<v Speaker 1>Weymo would have ultimately settled out of court with Uber.

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<v Speaker 1>All right back to driverless cars in the same year

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<v Speaker 1>that Lewandowski would leave Google. We get to that publicly

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged accident that was the fault of Google's autonomous technology.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was the first time that the public heard

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<v Speaker 1>about a traffic accident that was quote unquote caused by

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<v Speaker 1>Google's driverless car tech. It happened at another intersection, No

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<v Speaker 1>big surprise there. Here's the description from the incident report

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<v Speaker 1>with the California Department of Motor Vehicles and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>like this. A Google Lexus Model autonomous vehicle Google a

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<v Speaker 1>V was traveling in autonomous mode eastbound on El Camino

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<v Speaker 1>Real in a real I guess in mountain view in

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<v Speaker 1>the far right hand lane, approaching the Castro Street intersection.

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<v Speaker 1>As the Google A V approached the intersection, it signaled

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<v Speaker 1>its intent to make a right turn on the Red

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<v Speaker 1>onto Castro Street. The Google a V then moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the right hand side of the lane to pass traffic

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<v Speaker 1>in the same lane that was stopped at the intersection

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<v Speaker 1>and proceeding straight. However, the Google a V had to

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<v Speaker 1>come to a stop and go around sandbags positioned around

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<v Speaker 1>a storm drain that was blocking path. When the light

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<v Speaker 1>turned green, traffic in the lane continued past the Google

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<v Speaker 1>a V. After a few cars had passed, the Google

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<v Speaker 1>a V began to proceed back into the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the lane to pass the sandbags. A public transit bus

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<v Speaker 1>was approaching from behind the Google a V. Test drivers

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<v Speaker 1>saw the bus approaching in the left side mirror, but

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<v Speaker 1>believed the bus would stop or slow to allow the

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<v Speaker 1>Google a V to continue. Approximately three seconds later, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Google a V was re entering the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the lane, it made contact with the side of the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>The Google a V was operating in autonomous mode and

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<v Speaker 1>traveling at less than two miles per hour, and the

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<v Speaker 1>bus was traveling at about fifteen miles per hour at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of contact. The Google a V sustained body

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<v Speaker 1>damage to the left front fender to the left front wheel,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of its driver's side sensors. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>injuries reported at the scene, so, in other words, this

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty minor crash all things considered, and the

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<v Speaker 1>report even managed to make it sound like while Google

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<v Speaker 1>would not dispute that this was the fault of the

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<v Speaker 1>driverless car, there were still some shade to cast at

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<v Speaker 1>the bus driver, who was quote unquote expected to stop

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<v Speaker 1>or slow down. So publicly it sounded like driverless cars

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<v Speaker 1>were doing really well around six though in self limited

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<v Speaker 1>tests we weren't seeing autonomous cars sent into unfamiliar territory

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and assuming the New Yorker article is accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have no reason to assume otherwise, there were

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<v Speaker 1>at least several incidents that could have changed public perception

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<v Speaker 1>about how safe those cars really were. They were just

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<v Speaker 1>being kept on the hush hush. I've got more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about Google and other companies and driverless cars in

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<v Speaker 1>just a second, but first let's take another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. We'll come back to Google in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, but first let's chat a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other companies that are pursuing driverless car technology.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them I've already mentioned a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be Uber. Now. At the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen re Slash Code conference the Code Conferences was known

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<v Speaker 1>as Travis Kalenik, who is CEO and or was the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO and the co founder of Uber, talked about autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>cars in a pretty ominous way, I would say. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>quote the reason Uber could be expensive is you're paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the other dude in the car when there is

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<v Speaker 1>no other dude in the car. The cost of taking

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<v Speaker 1>an Uber anywhere is cheaper even on a road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. And by dude in the car, kalen Nick

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the driver. So here's a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is the head of a ride haling service, a company

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<v Speaker 1>that employs thousands of drivers, say yeah, but man, can't

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<v Speaker 1>you just imagine what the world would be like if

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have to pay those drivers. The message was

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<v Speaker 1>that trips would cost less for customers. It would also

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<v Speaker 1>mean that Uber would be able to keep more of

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<v Speaker 1>the money. It wouldn't have to share any cash out

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<v Speaker 1>to any employees, at least not any drivers, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would put the company's own drivers out of work. If

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<v Speaker 1>such a future were to come true, it was more

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<v Speaker 1>than a little harsh. I would say, I would call

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<v Speaker 1>it demoralizing if I were driving for Uber and I

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<v Speaker 1>heard that the company's leadership was saying, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to replace you with a robot. It makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>not so great about my job. Klinik also put forth

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that frequently comes along with the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous cars, which would be the end of private car ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than purchasing a car, at least in a densely

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<v Speaker 1>in populated environment, you would just use a driver less

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle to take you places. The cost per trip could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially be low enough that you would actually be saving

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<v Speaker 1>money compared to purchasing your own car, plus paying insurance

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<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff, not to mention maintenance

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and parking and that kind of thing. All of those

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>payments would be gone. You would just be paying on

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<v Speaker 1>a per trip basis. And in fact, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the futures involving driverless cars, a lot of the future

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>scenarios that various people project, assume that we're mostly going

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<v Speaker 1>to be interacting with fleets owned by car hailing services

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<v Speaker 1>like Uber and Lift. We won't own these driverless cars

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and these visions of the future, because why would we

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>We would just use a ride hailing service. Again, this

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<v Speaker 1>only makes sense if you're living in a fairly densely

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>populated area, UH city or a suburb. It makes less

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>sense the further out from a city you live, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could see it working at least in some scenarios.

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<v Speaker 1>Uber's pursuit has made plenty of headline over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>including some very grim ones. In March two thousand eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman crossing Mill Avenue in Tempe, Arizona, was struck

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<v Speaker 1>by a self driving Uber vehicle. It was actually in

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous mode, and the woman died from her injuries. The

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<v Speaker 1>car was a Volvo x C nine suv. There were

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<v Speaker 1>no passengers in the vehicle apart from the human operator. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>The human operator was supposed to act as emergency backup,

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<v Speaker 1>but again, the car was in self driving mode at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the accident. UH. Google would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to say that the driver was distracted and that Google's

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<v Speaker 1>system would have been able to respond appropriately in time,

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>which maybe true, but I'm not sure as the classiest

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>thing to say in the wake of someone's death. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Uber would suspend all autonomous testing in Arizona as well

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>as in Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Toronto. In response, and

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the state of Arizona was essentially really come down on

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Uber and Uber would just completely pull the plug in

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Arizona for the time being anyway, as far as autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>cars go. An investigation revealed that the possible cause of

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the accident was that the vehicle's emergency braking system had

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>been disabled when an autonomous mode. Again, since that accident,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Uber has pulled out of Arizona. They've also laid off

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>some of the employees who are working in the autonomous

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>car division. UH they have petition to renew testing and

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>other cities. But UM and they're not done, you know.

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Even though they had a setback, they're not out of

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the driverless car business. They're still working toward developing a

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>driverless car fleet. In fact, the company had ordered twenty

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>four thousand self driving Volvo SUVs, which are scheduled to

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<v Speaker 1>begin shipping in two thousand nineteen. Toyota also announced it

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<v Speaker 1>would invest a half a billion dollars in Uber. This

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>was an addition to a obviously existing partnership between the

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>two companies, and that Toyota was going to incorporate Uber

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>self driving technology into its C and M and events

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>for its own sort of a ride sharing fleet service. Meanwhile,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Lift is also chasing after a self driving autonomous fleet.

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>UM they made a partnership with General Motors and GM

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>has its own initiative for a self driving fleet that

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<v Speaker 1>one's called Cruise. That on was scheduled to launch also

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nineteen. Ford also has plans for self

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>driving cars and a ride sharing capacity. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be the the big model is the

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>idea that these cars would be prohibitively expensive for most consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't make a whole lot of business sense

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>to build them out for your average private car owner.

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It makes more sense to build them out for a

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<v Speaker 1>ride sharing service where you will generate revenue over a

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<v Speaker 1>long term, as opposed to trying to sell them for

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a profit to a single person. And uh Ford, however,

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>they're there, uh their timelines a little more modest. They're

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>looking at starting in twe Then there's Tesla and it's

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>autopilot feature, which I should add has been marketed as

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a driver assist feature. It has not been marketed as

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<v Speaker 1>a truly autonomous vehicle option, or at least that's not

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the official corporate messaging. Tesla can get a little cheeky

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>with the way they message stuff out, but all the

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>official use cases state that as a driver, you're supposed

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to keep your hands on the wheel at all times.

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.479
<v Speaker 1>You're not supposed to give up control. Uh, you can

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>allow it to take over, but you aren't to just

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>sit back and watch it happen, which, of course has

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>not stopped people from doing just that thing, despite the

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>fact that the company has said don't do that thing.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>The company initially rolled out the autopilot feature as a

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 1>software update, which is actually really cool. The idea of

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>rolling out a software update and sending it out to

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>cars and suddenly they have this autopilot feature that's really neat.

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>That's something that you wouldn't have seen, you know, five

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>years ago with cars. So that happened back in two

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand fifteen, so I guess you'd see it three years ago,

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>but not five years ago. But this semi autonomous system

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>has been involved in at least two fatal car crashes

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>over the last few years. The first happened in Steen

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>when a Tesla car and autopilot mode collided with a

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>truck that was turning across the path of traffic. The

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Tesla failed to detect the truck was there and was

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>unable to stop in time. The second fatal accident happened

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in when a Tesla vehicle and autopilot collided with a

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>concrete highway lane divider at high speed. Then we get

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>back to way MOW. That's spinoff from Google that's probably

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the most famous of all the autonomous vehicle projects. According

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 1>to the company, it's test vehicles have driven more than

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>ten million miles in autonomous mode, though to Lewandowski's point,

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>some considerations should be dedicated to the fact that many

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 1>of those miles were over very specific routes. So yes,

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>millions of miles traveled, but if they are millions of

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the same miles, that has limited utility. In December two

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand eighteen, Weymo is launching, or perhaps has already launched,

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>depending on when you hear this, a self driving service

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>available to people who have opted into the company's early

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>writer program and the services in Phoenix, Arizona, which I

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>assume is a delicate matter in the wake of the

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>tragedy that happened in Tempe, Arizona in spring of with

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>that Uber crash. The service is called Weymo one and

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>like other ride hailing services, customers will use an app

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 1>to hail a car. They will designate where they want

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to be picked up where they want to be dropped off.

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>The cost of the ride will be dependent upon actors,

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>like what time of day it is and how far

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>away the trip or how how much distance the trip

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 1>will take. The cars are Chrysler PACIFICA minivans, and they

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>do have some controls on the inside for passengers to

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>use in various situations. There's a button that can initiate

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 1>essentially an emergency pull over, so you can have the

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>car pull over at any point during the ride. UH.

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>There's also a contact support button that will put a

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>passenger in UH in contact with customer support. So it

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds like two thousand nine is going to be a

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>really big and potentially scary experiment to see if autonomous

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>cars are really ready to enter into real service, at

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>least in limited markets, and it may well be that

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the results will see will show these vehicles are more safe, reliable,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and efficient than vehicles that are operated by human drivers.

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>But if there are more accidents or evidence of companies

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to cover up at SENS. That's gonna be a

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>big problem. It also shows how there's a huge disconnect

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>between that Silicon Valley philosophy of fail big, fail fast

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>fail often, you know, making risky decisions, and Silicon Valley

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>is considered to be a really good trait, not a

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 1>bad one. Being risk averse is a bad trait in

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Silicon Valley. It's better to keep throwing yourself out there

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>as hard as you can without any fear of failure,

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>because if you do succeed, you've gotta reap incredible benefits.

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And if you fail, well, you just you learn something

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>in that process and then you just do better the

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>next time. You know, people like Lewandowski appear to embrace

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that philosophy. But on the other hand, when you get

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>to your average schmos like me, then you have the

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>reality of the situation sync in. Because these aren't just

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.959
<v Speaker 1>lines of code in software. These are technologies that could

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 1>dramatically change someone's life in really horrible ways if something

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>is wrong. See if I use an app, Let's say

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm using I don't know a pizza delivery app, and

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>let's say something screws up and my pizza is lost

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>in the ether like that, that order never really goes through,

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm staying around waiting for pizza and I'm hungry. Well,

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>that sucks, but I'm gonna live. I can order another pizza.

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>But if an autonomous car messes up, someone could die.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So failing big failing often in the in the sense

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 1>of autonomous cars in the real world, is what I

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>would argue an irresponsible approach. And yes, we learn more

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>through our failures than we do through our successes, but again,

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to human lives, you can't be too

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>cavalier about that. Now, this naturally leads into what will

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>be the topic of the next episode of tech Stuff,

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>which is a broader, more philosophical discussion about autonomous cars

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<v Speaker 1>and ethics, not to mention realistic versus un balistic views

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of where we are with the technology and where we

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>should be or where we need to be in order

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>to have a broad rollout, so to speak, of the tech.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the next episode, I'm going to spend more

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>time talking about those sort of big picture ideas, everything

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>from the different levels of autonomy two where we are

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>two various problems with some of these approaches even Weymo,

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>which I would argue despite the the alleged incidents that

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>went underreported between two thousand eleven and two thousand fourteen,

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>it appears to be the most responsible of the the

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>large projects I've read about again Big Picture of You,

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:52.439
<v Speaker 1>even Weymo. Their approach has certain drawbacks that will talk

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>about in the next episode. Things that UH mean that

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it may work in most situations. When you get into

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>unusual situations, which happen all the time, uh, it doesn't

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>work nearly as well. But that's what we'll talk about

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