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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome Jimmy Westbrook, one of the guys in a

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Speaker 1: little big town. He actually quit doing music for a

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Speaker 1: long time and then got a call was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: about a group? So he talks about that here. It's

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Speaker 1: a pretty cool story. He's also the final puzzle piece

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Speaker 1: in this because over the last five or six years,

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Speaker 1: one by one, we have gathered the little big town

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Speaker 1: tokens and now we have them all, so it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: He's also got one non negotiable while on tour, He's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a diva, but this is the one thing

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Speaker 1: I gotta have. And I felt that although I am

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Speaker 1: a diva, So I felt that they got a new

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Speaker 1: song out. I won't say the title of it here

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Speaker 1: or ever, and I talked about that. So what do

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Speaker 1: you learn from this? Uh? Whenever he talked about quitting music.

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Speaker 1: The thing that his girlfriend at the time didn't know

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Speaker 1: about him was insane. Yeah, yeah, I was like, how

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Speaker 1: did she not like? Yeah, it's interesting. And then the

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Speaker 1: fact that we had never sat with him one. I've

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Speaker 1: never sat with him one on one ever in my

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Speaker 1: whole life. I've been with them a lot or two

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Speaker 1: of them or three of them, but never just Jimmy

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Speaker 1: and I. And he's like tatted up, cool dude. When

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Speaker 1: It's like the good looking guy because him, I felip

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Speaker 1: both good looking. But Phil's get the long here. He's

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Speaker 1: like the rebel. Yeah you know, he's like the the

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Speaker 1: bad boys. Can you get along here? I don't even

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Speaker 1: if it's a bad boy, but Jimmy's like all tatted

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Speaker 1: up and I don't know. This is a little gritty.

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Speaker 1: You're in person, which is pretty cool. So you didn't

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Speaker 1: think so? No? I got that too. Yeah, UM, enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you check it out. Him and Karen the

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Speaker 1: we'll called the lead, the lead, we'll called the lead vocalist. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've been married for twelve years. They got a sound.

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Speaker 1: Who's twelve now. And I hope you enjoyed this because

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Speaker 1: I did, he says. Jimmy from a little big town

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Speaker 1: here you go. I was just talking with that Jaren

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Speaker 1: from cat like three, and I asked him. I said, hey, man, uh,

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Speaker 1: I saw a picture with you and you have you

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Speaker 1: didn't have a short on You may not have had

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Speaker 1: think trying not to do that too often. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think all you guys are in a pool. And he's said, uh,

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Speaker 1: he said, it was like nine in the morning or something.

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Speaker 1: You guys were in a pool, have Margarita's Is that

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Speaker 1: story accurate? It is accurate. Well, I didn't get up

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Speaker 1: I think is genius in the venue. And yeah, at

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it used to be there, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: they put in a nice pool. So about eleven twelve o'clock,

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Speaker 1: most everybody on the tour was out there, and oh

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Speaker 1: my god, by the time the show rolled around. That's

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Speaker 1: what I asked him, That's what I said. I said,

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's let it be, do you guys do

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Speaker 1: you know what, the melody was there, but the words

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Speaker 1: weren't there. It happens, man. We had such a That

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Speaker 1: was a great day though. That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We we all got to hang out and we've been

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Speaker 1: a little extra that day. Do you guys find now

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she could totally do that. So and I

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Speaker 1: yeah you're inside baseball? Well, I mean I can act

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Speaker 1: horn section, um, multiple guitars, draw it was it was

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00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: a big production. The music part of it. We had

427
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: really super talented people at our church, uh, instrumentally, vocally, everything.

428
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: It was a big yeah, oh yeah. It absolutely set

429
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: me on the path of I remember sitting with my

430
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: choir director and just dreaming about being on stage and singing.

431
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: I knew that's what I wanted to do from the

432
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: first time a singer. So your parents at all musical,

433
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: Your dad musical, brother, my my mom uh sings. Her

434
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: whole family is super musical. We would go to two

435
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: um family reunions and they would break out the amps

436
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: and the keyboards and my my uncle Jim was fantastic

437
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: piano player. Um my dad could sing. He didn't he

438
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: wasn't really that his side of the family wasn't really

439
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: big into music, not as much as my mom's side.

440
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: But everyone around me saying my sisters singing, yeah, sure, everybody.

441
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's you get to see with your own eyes. Example,

442
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: to people playing instruments and and the church that we

443
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: go down two down here they are they're really really good.

444
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable to me. They're like as good as the

445
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: people that come in the studio. And so I would

446
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: imagine being a kid and seeing this it It allows

447
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: you to know that that can be attained. Just that

448
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: even to see that is would be great for a

449
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: small town kid. I just assume and feel like we

450
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 1: grew up in a similar place and there's not a

451
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: lot of well a lot that you're exposed to being

452
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: in a small town. So to be musical and see

453
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: that around you, I think would be just so fantastic.

454
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: But you go and you talk to your your choir

455
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: director and you say, hey, I want to do music.

456
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: How long until you actually get to do something in

457
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: the church where people see you as you like solo

458
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: or play or something. It was, Yeah, I think it

459
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: was in those early um instances of me stepping out

460
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: for the first time with the choir taking solos. You know,

461
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: we had big musical productions that we did for Christmas,

462
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: and I would have featured parts that I felt like

463
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: I was being seen for the first time in a

464
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: way you know where you advanced as a kid, or

465
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: you have an advanced singer, and that you kind of

466
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: had control of it before a lot of other kids did. Yeah,

467
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: I did. I've it felt very natural to me, and um,

468
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: I felt like I could connect with people when I

469
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: sang that was what really attracted What do you mean

470
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: by that you can connect with people, you're connect Well,

471
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: I just I know, I think I know, and this

472
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: is all, of course hindsight, but I think back and

473
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, I saw when I sang people

474
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: were moved by it. Um, you know whatever I felt

475
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: like that was. I was like, oh, I think this matters,

476
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's what attracted me to it,

477
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: just seeing how people connected with me when I was

478
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: doing something like that. So you sing at church, But

479
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: when did you go, this is what I want to

480
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: do for my payment rent in the food. That's because

481
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: it's a different commitment. Yeah, And you know I didn't.

482
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the time, it was all

483
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: always just showing up at anything that I could do,

484
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: like whether it was singing at a wedding or a

485
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: funeral or wherever. That's really probably the first money I

486
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: made singing was singing at weddings and um. But you know,

487
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I never really did anything that made any kind of

488
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: money at that time. My I knew that I wanted

489
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: to to be in music in some way, I had

490
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: no idea what that was gonna look like. I think

491
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: probably at first I figured it would be in the

492
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: church realm Um, I sang in gospel groups. It's at

493
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: some at some points, did you listen to second of

494
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: music at all when you were UM? I did, but

495
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm a lot later on some of the classic music

496
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: that I love now. I was a lot later coming

497
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: into those kinds of things. So you were really and

498
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: I didn't really get into UM. You know, I listened

499
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: to there. My main exposure to different kinds of music

500
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: was UM. Because of my siblings and my mom and dad.

501
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: They had There was this box of records in and

502
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: one of our closets that had Stevie Wonder, It had

503
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: Elton John, UM, it had um uh, Dallas Davidson, Christian music,

504
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: there was Alabama Records. There was this eclectic box of

505
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: music that I would put on the forty fives or

506
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: whatever and listen to. UM. That really kind of exposed

507
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: me to other things. But a lot of times it

508
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: was Christian music or country music, UM, you know whatever

509
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: eight tracks my parents were listening to. UM. Don Williams

510
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: is a is a big memory for me of country

511
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: music at that time. UM. But I did sing and

512
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of gospel music, and I listened

513
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: to country music, but there was a period of time

514
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of in my late teens that I didn't. So

515
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: there's like a span of country that I really didn't.

516
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I kind of lost out on it, but just because

517
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: I kind of found other stuff, you know, I was

518
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: really into rock stuff. You know. It's funny you mentioned

519
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: like the gap because I was raised hardcore on country

520
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: music and and even some of the gospel stuff because

521
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: my grandmother raised me right and so she had a

522
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: lot of pride of people from Arkansas. So it was

523
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: obviously Johnny Cash, you know a lot, and then the

524
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: gospel stuff, uh Andy Griffith, which is odd because I

525
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: knew him as a singer before I knew him as

526
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Andy gif Show. Yeah. Um, but there was a time

527
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: because growing up for me in the nineties when Naster

528
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: came out and digital music was allowed, and I missed

529
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: on like that late I guess people were like two

530
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: thousand one to like two thousand eight. That's an empty

531
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: period for me to like know. I know it now

532
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: because one, I know a lot of people that made

533
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: music then and I just kind of re check in.

534
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: But there's a big gap for me there. I remember

535
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: once I was watching I wonder what show it was,

536
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: and you guys were on doing maybe Tornado it was

537
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: when I come back to it, but you guys were on,

538
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'll look at these four four

539
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: fine looking folks here, like they seemed nice because Tornado

540
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: was one of the early ones that was um. Maybe, yes,

541
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: we we had two hits. There's some big gaps in

542
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: our We had Boondocks was two thousand five, bringing on

543
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Home two thousand six, and then we didn't have another

544
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: radio hit until two thousand ten, which was a Little

545
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: White Church, and then the Tornado record was after that,

546
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: So that was Pontoon was on that record, and of

547
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: course that was the biggest and maybe it was that,

548
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: maybe it was the record, but it was my first

549
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: exposure to you get yeah, and that was we probably

550
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: gained the biggest audience that we had ever had at

551
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: that point with that, It's Crook and Chase. It was

552
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: the Crooking Chase TV Show. Now that I remember, it

553
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: was the Yes, I saw you guys on the Crook

554
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: and Chase TV Show. And because I always loved Crooking Chase,

555
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: I listened on the radio as a kid and I

556
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: would just check back in occasionally and I saw you guys,

557
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I'll get the off. They're all

558
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: four good looking. What kind of group is this? Where's

559
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the ugly one? I remember taking like, there's gotta be

560
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: at least one ugly when they hide somewhere, and that

561
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. And then then is about when I

562
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: re checked back in just a couple of years before

563
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I came to Nashville, I was kind of dial back in.

564
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: But it's funny, I've never thought about the gap before,

565
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: and to you said that mine was in the nineties

566
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: when it was the biggest heyday of country music. I mean,

567
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, I knew of those artists at that time

568
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: surface level, but I wasn't really listening to it a lot.

569
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Then it was more rock and yeah, when he was

570
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: an alternative, Yeah like that Joe Nichols, this era the

571
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: beginning of that. I don't know what I know all

572
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: those songs now, but I don't you know, Broken Heartsville

573
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: didn't know when I was lying. Listen to it now.

574
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: When did you move to Nashville? What age I moved

575
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: in ninety nine when we started we you mean, uh

576
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: did I say, well? Because I moved with a buddy,

577
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I said that. But yes, I

578
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: moved in uh nine. So we had been I was

579
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: working in Birmingham doing I was making copies. I was

580
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: a copy guy. Um. I had actually started on the

581
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: night shift. I worked the third shift night shift at

582
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: this little company in downtown Birmingham and then kind of

583
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: worked my way up to sales rep where I had

584
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: actual lawyer clients and that I serviced for their legal

585
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: documents and such. Um. But I had done that for

586
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years and I was so I was like,

587
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: I've got to get back to music. Which it sounds

588
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: like you were in your twenty early twenties and so,

589
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: and you would pursued a profession even though it wasn't

590
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: there for a film it wise you had pursued a

591
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: professional job. Yeah, I was paying off bills from prior

592
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: musical failures. Were you still put it all on credit cards?

593
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: So I had to pay it off? Are you still

594
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: singing a little here and there? But not a lot?

595
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: In fact, the girl I was dating at the time

596
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: and had been dating for a long time, I had

597
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: no idea I could sing, and that's all I've done

598
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: prior to that time in my life. But there was

599
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: a couple of years where I was paying off credit

600
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: card bills and working. Didn't really know what I was

601
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna do and work my way up in this job,

602
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: and I decided internally, I didn't even really tell anybody

603
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: that I was like, I've got to I've got to

604
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: get back in music. Um. I knew a guy that

605
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: had just moved to Nashville who was cousins with Chuck Cannon.

606
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Chuck Kennon. He's a

607
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: incredible songwriter, had some really huge hits back in the day.

608
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: I Love the Way You Loved Me he wrote loved Um.

609
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: He heard one of my Christian songs that I had

610
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: written and wanted to talk to me, and that kind

611
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: of I was like, oh wow. And I went and

612
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I went to his house and he had just one

613
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: song of the year. I mean, I couldn't believe that

614
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: he had taken an interest in something that I had written.

615
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: We had a conversation. It was it was terrible. I

616
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: had no idea what I was doing, but he was

617
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: very kind and but that kind of sparked something into

618
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: me that I was like, I've got to get back

619
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: to singing again. So I decided, and probably two weeks

620
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: after that that I had mentally thought, Okay, I'm done.

621
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out a way to move on.

622
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Karen called me and said, hey, what are you doing?

623
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm working in Birmingham, but

624
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I just started doing some demos and I wanna I

625
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: want to move to Nashville. Why would you call you?

626
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: How does she know you? She we knew each other, um,

627
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: from when she was in her the Christian group she

628
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: was in. I knew of her in that. UM I

629
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: filled in. This is crazy. I filled in a few

630
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: weeks UM in this Christian group. UM. One of their

631
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: members quit and I filled in for maybe a couple

632
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: of months. And Karen was on that tour opening up

633
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: with the duet that she was in in Christian music.

634
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: So I met her then and then So this was

635
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: years after that. Did you guys ever have conversations though

636
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: about doing something a collective or getting to Nashville even

637
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: individually or No, we didn't really know each other that well.

638
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean we would chit chat, you know, hey, passing

639
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: each other, but I didn't really know each other that well. So, UM,

640
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: there was a college group that I had sang in.

641
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: One of the guys that was in that was in

642
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: Nashville and was friends with Karen, and she was talking

643
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: about doing this group with Kimberly and that they felt

644
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: like they wanted to have some male voices, and Neil is,

645
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: that's our friend, actually said Hey, why don't you see

646
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: what Jimmy's doing. He's he's a really good singer and

647
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: you should check out and see what he's doing. So

648
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: he kind of prompted her to call me. And so

649
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: when she called, that's when I was like, wow, actually

650
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: kind of I want to go to Nashville. She's like, well,

651
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: come up and hang out with me and Kimberly and

652
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: meet her and see what you think about this. And

653
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of how that all started. And and the weird,

654
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: the crazy weird thing is like still told nobody at

655
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: my work that I had that conversation or anything, And

656
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: about three or four weeks later, they offered me a

657
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: transfer to Nashville to open up a new brand. Did

658
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: you do so you can so me? And that's what

659
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: me and my buddy that worked at that place at

660
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: the time moved here and opened up this copy place.

661
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: But you still working, which is really cool. Yeah, you're

662
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: still there every day Monday there. So what struck me

663
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: when you were talking is that you obviously love music,

664
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: you love this thing. You spent a lot of time

665
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: doing it, but there for a while you just quit.

666
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Was what was the moment where you went, all right,

667
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: either this isn't gonna work out, or I can't do

668
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: it anymore because it sounds because that is big to go,

669
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: I just gotta stop for a minute. Yeah, I don't

670
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: think it was that. It wasn't that conscious. I wasn't

671
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: that conscious of that move that I was. I wasn't

672
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: saying you're never even saying for your girlfriend, so you

673
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: can you know. It was a slow move, but that's drastic,

674
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: it is. But it was just, you know, it's a

675
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: matter of doing what you gotta do. And I was

676
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: so under student loans and all these credit card bills

677
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: that I'd piled up in a in a band in college. Um,

678
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: I was going under financially. I had no no way

679
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: to pay that, and so it was I just had

680
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: to get a real job. So maybe it was less

681
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: of you being like, screw it, I'm getting out of here,

682
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: going to a real job, and more of I'm gonna

683
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: after the practical and pay off these bills and eventually

684
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: I can get back to it. Yes, got it? Yes, Okay,

685
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: that makes the heart feel better about He didn't up

686
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: and be like, no, I'm getting music, No, no, no, no.

687
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: It was that was a period in my life where

688
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: I just had to figure out how to pay my bills,

689
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: which you know that happened again many times after that.

690
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: But UM, just trying to figure it out and survive.

691
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: You come up, you hang out with Kimberly and Karen. Uh.

692
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: There is no Philip yet, he hasn't even born yet.

693
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: And so what what's the vision because obviously they have

694
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: some sort of vision for the group or the two

695
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: of them with guy voices when you get up here,

696
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: what's the vision as described to you? And was it

697
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: appealing to you? At first? It was? It was it

698
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: was all harmony based. UM. At that time, we weren't

699
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: sure that there was gonna be a fourth we UM.

700
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: The three of us sang together. UM. I remember many

701
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: nights sitting in Kimberly's living room and working up songs

702
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: and and UM. But it wasn't long after I came

703
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: into the whole process that it was. It was a

704
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: discussion that we were having, like Dewey, add one more

705
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: voice for versatility, And actually there was a producer in

706
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: town that was showing interest in what the three of

707
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: us were talking about doing UM, and he kind of

708
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: solidified that, Hey, maybe you should think about one more voice.

709
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: That gives you the possibility of one person singing and

710
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: then you have a triad behind them. UM gives you

711
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: a lot of versatility. And that was about the time

712
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: that we were Okay, yeah, I think that's the right

713
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: way to go. And there was a friend of Karen's

714
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: that introduced us, introduced us to Philip at that time.

715
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, if I'm going through this and

716
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, we have three, we're gonna add another.

717
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: But that's another We weren't even thinking about money, man,

718
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: we didn't know that could even happen. But it's like eventually,

719
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: because again I didn't make money for fifteen years, so

720
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to struggle. But in my mind,

721
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, eventually, I'm gonna make money. Like we're gonna

722
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: hang in there. I'm gonna get better at it before

723
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: people splitting it. That is, it's it's a bigger deal.

724
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: That's a bigger deal. Did you guys audition people? Did

725
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: you have people seeing and not like an informal audition?

726
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Is that was that kind of the plan Earlier the

727
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: three of us sang with jod On. That's the only

728
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: person I sang with in the auditioning process. I think

729
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: Kimberly and Karen actually did sing with Gary at one point. Um,

730
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: but he didn't have the chops and I figured love

731
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: Ox didn't have the chops. Yeah. Um, But you know,

732
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't long. It wasn't Probably a couple of months later,

733
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: I met Philip. I came up, drove up and met

734
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: him at a restaurant and hung out. Um, and we

735
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: figured out that that felt like the right blend. When

736
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: we all sang together, it felt right, And from that

737
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: point on it was it was going to go that way.

738
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: When did you not a year but from that point

739
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: where you meet Philip, when did you have to create

740
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: the LLC or that Now it's an entity, like we

741
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: aren't just friends that are singing making forty bucks and

742
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: four of us to split. We're now going to pursue this.

743
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: And if we're going to pursue it, it's got to exist.

744
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: So when did that happen? It was right right around

745
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: that same time. I mean it all happened, like from

746
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: the time that I said I was going to do

747
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: this to the time we um That was maybe at

748
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: the end of ninety eight when we were having these conversations.

749
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I moved in February of ninety nine. We were a

750
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: four person group, all the four existing members, and just

751
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: a few months later had a record deal. So that

752
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: was all super fast. I moved here in February and

753
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: we started. I remember I just opened up that branch

754
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: of that company, and I was already going, hey, I'm

755
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: not going to be able to come, We're gonna go

756
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: sing for some labels and that kind of thing. They

757
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: were super I was really up front about all that.

758
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: When I moved. I'm like, I have this intention, so

759
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna run into this issue with me. And

760
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: so when it happened, they were intention to watch the game,

761
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna run into this issue the buses at park

762
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: where I can get signal, thinking ahead, yes, that's pretty

763
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: quick to get a record deal. Yeah, I mean we

764
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: sang for six labels. We took a one guitar. I

765
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: didn't even really play guitar at that time. UM took

766
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: it in and saying live in front of all the

767
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: record exects, and we got about five offers out of

768
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: the six cheese. So if i'm you, I'm going well

769
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: or one step away from Fay, it's on. Yeah, when

770
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: did you realize that that's not quite how it works? Well?

771
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: We um, We got our record deal. We in fact

772
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: the signed the night we signed with Mercury Records, which

773
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: lasted about four months maybe. UM. We got a spot

774
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: at the Opery to play. We only knew three songs,

775
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: we played all of them. Um, and then they immediately

776
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: whisked whisked us away in a limo to the airport

777
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: to go sing at the De la Hoya fight for

778
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: the national anthem. And when we were getting picked up

779
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: in limos at the airport in Vegas, I was like, oh,

780
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: this is on and then we lost our well we didn't.

781
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: We walked away from that. It was a handshake walk away.

782
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: Not many months after that, so it was quickly like, oh,

783
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: this this is not going how I thought it was

784
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna go. Well, I'm gonna ask you and I have

785
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: you expand on both of these. But the harshest reality

786
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: once you get a deal and then but then actually

787
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of the greatest fairy tale that because you've been

788
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: able to experience both, I'll say that you guys are

789
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: in my mind if I'm just speaking of my thoughts

790
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: and feelings here, which is often what I do. Like, Um,

791
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you guys have really worked. Everybody works hard. You guys

792
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 1: have worked hard, and you've had a boom, big song.

793
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: I like what you guys do, though you try to

794
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: push in different directions and at all times it's not

795
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: always People aren' always receptive of new things, and I

796
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: always admired that you guys continued to try that regardless.

797
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: And so you say there's a gap, But in my mind,

798
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, probably gap because people don't understand what

799
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: you guys are trying in the time, right, Like, that's

800
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: how I interpret You're not saying it. That's how I'm

801
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: interpreting because I've been able to experience a lot of it,

802
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: not beside you, but running in a parallel path. So

803
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: when I say harshest reality, biggest fairy tale, you've got

804
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: to have them both. Let's start with the harshest reality

805
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: of what it is that you do and and what

806
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: you've had to experience. Well, I mean I think I

807
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: immediately go to to the time when I was just

808
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: telling you that, Um, the Mercury deal started going awry. Um,

809
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: how do you know what's going awry? Did you feel it?

810
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: It was made very we were made aware that it was.

811
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: We without going into too much of the backside of

812
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: of all that, we we basically signed at Mercury, cut

813
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: a few sides, and when the powers that be at

814
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: that time at Mercury heard the sides that we did,

815
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: we cut about four songs. UM. They basically said, Hey,

816
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: if if any of this is who you are, we're

817
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: not interested. They were just were not interested, And so

818
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the harshest reality was UM. I think in that moment

819
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: I remember them saying all of that UM, and basically

820
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: felt like we had an ultimatum like our So I

821
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: I just remember going to the parking lot after that

822
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: conversation and all of the four of us sitting in

823
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: a car shell shocked. I mean, we just signed our deal.

824
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: We had did you know the day Lahoya fight this

825
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: is and then all of a sudden, now that's about

826
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: to be yanked out from unders. We're about to lose

827
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: our record deal. But I'll tell you this in that moment,

828
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: and I think that was a pivotal moment for the

829
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: band as far as what you're talking about of pushing

830
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: and following our gut and our heart and where we

831
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: musically want to go. We had that decision to make

832
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: that day, and it was the hardest decision probably well

833
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: I know at that time that we've made. It was

834
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult because we were we were sitting there having

835
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: to ask ourselves, is any part of what we just

836
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: presented them us? And it was, you know, some of

837
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: the production might not have been quite the right direction,

838
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: but we're still experimenting, trying to figure out who we are.

839
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: But the harmony, structures and all of that of what

840
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: we presented was us. So we made the decision ourselves

841
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: that we were going to walk away from it because

842
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: if they're telling us that they don't want any of that,

843
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: then we can't stay here. That's that's not going to

844
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: be true to ourselves and and but it also set

845
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: the ground work for who we became as a band

846
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: as far as living and dying by our own decisi Jews. Now,

847
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: when I mentioned on the other side of that, like

848
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: the grid, like it's so great. It's weird, like they're

849
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: they're You're like, Wow, this is going so wonderfully that

850
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: it feels like it's the dream because I'm lucky enough

851
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: to get those moments too. I mean where you're just like,

852
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's happening. I feel like I have

853
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: so many of those moments. But um, it's always to

854
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: me the unexpected, unbelievable moments, like collaborations that you do

855
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: with people, or the being asked to be an Opery member.

856
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: It's the things that you didn't even take the time

857
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: to dream up because you're like, oh, I didn't know

858
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: that was possible. Um, it's kind of all of those

859
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: moments of um, you know, singing on John Mellencamp record

860
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: like we we ended up doing non songs on one

861
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: of his records, is the vocals for his thing. It's

862
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: it's those kinds of moments that you get to share

863
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: the stage with people that you're just like, I don't

864
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: how I'm from Somerton, How did I? How did I?

865
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: How am I standing up here on this stage with

866
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: this person? And those are the moments that I'm so

867
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: grateful for and that you can't plan. Um that they

868
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: just kind of worked themselves out and happened, and it's

869
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: you just walk away going, man, what a what an

870
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: incredible blessing this has all been. We had a guy

871
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: called our show probably a month or so agost. Name

872
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: is Gary from Wisconsin, and Gary said that he had

873
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: been to over seventy five little big town shows. Gary. Yeah,

874
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: I saw a picture that Gary had posted because he

875
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: tagged because we were talking with him about it, and

876
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: he said he'll drive five hours. His first show was

877
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I I asked you this in a loving,

878
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: extremely respectful way, why would someone come to sevent show?

879
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: Our fans are incredible. It's the country music fan, man.

880
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: They they buy in and and I think it's more

881
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: than just the music. They buy into who you are

882
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: and or at least you know who they feel like

883
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: you are. You know, the your story, um, and I

884
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: think that's that's been the big thing of that. But yeah, man,

885
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: I think about that too. I'm like, man, I have

886
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: to sometimes I don't want to get up here either

887
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: just to do it, you know, you get tired or whatever.

888
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: But man, what that's that's our fans there, incredible. You

889
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: guys have very very passionate it's it's incredible. The Bandwagon

890
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: Tour Miranda A Little Big Town with special guests of

891
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: Catalact three. A Little Big Town dot com if you

892
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: want to get tickets. Are you still enjoying playing shows?

893
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, is it still there? Is it still there?

894
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: Is having a blast? I love it and I love

895
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: all of it still, And I think that's something that, UM,

896
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: I kind of look at all the time, like when

897
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: we're in the studio, like, man, I still love this

898
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: as much. I'm still as passionate about all the different

899
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: parts of this UM business that we're in that I

900
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: just I just love it. I just being out with Miranda.

901
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: There's nothing better than this tour right now. UM, I

902
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: think for all of us just showing up in the

903
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: the friendship and you know, it's like we're talking about

904
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: hanging out at the pool at noon. A lot of

905
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: tours you go on done it's not like that, UM,

906
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: But we have some really great friends and this has

907
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: been a blast, and I absolutely can't wait to get

908
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: up there and play the and we'll wrap with this

909
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: but the end, I still think A Little White Church

910
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: holds up with any song ever I played all the

911
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: time on him like a dance party, and uh, it

912
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: just feels good. It's a beat. It's the end of that,

913
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: which is probably my favorite thing that you guys do

914
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: when you're all it almost feels a bit uh Doobie

915
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: Brother's dish, I think exactly. I'm not confused, confused. I

916
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: played a little white church this morning. Yeah, the vocal realm,

917
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like that a lot. What is just

918
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: your part by itself in the round with nobody else who? Uh?

919
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: Because Philip starts off the round and he goes, you

920
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: get okay, I'll do that. Okay, you get a line,

921
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: I get a pole. We're gonna go fishing in the

922
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: cravat five got bogger a Saturday night church on Sunday morning.

923
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: You get fishing. I come in on that. You get

924
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: a lot? Yeah, you got to be a little more dynamically,

925
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you. One part is never dynamic.

926
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Well let's and it's I thought about that. What if

927
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: I just showed up sometimes some somebody asked me to sing,

928
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: and I stepped up and I only sang the background

929
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: vocals hilarious and please record it because that's the content.

930
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: They're like, Hey, once you play one of your songs

931
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: that you and I only sing. Yeah, they're like, hey,

932
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: jimmen do a girl crush and You're like, I'll lay

933
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: off the entire verse and then um taste lips tastes

934
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: like you. Wouldn't that be great? That would be TikTok

935
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: viral versure Uh follow Jimmy at Jimmy Westbrook on Instagram.

936
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: J I M I and at a Little Big Town

937
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: and the new single. I don't say the name of

938
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: the new single because I don't curse. So I will say,

939
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: here's the song about a little big town, but I

940
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: will never say the name of it. So there you

941
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: have it. Wow, I'm impressed you don't cuss. I haven't

942
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: for six years. Well, I didn't do it because I'm

943
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: a good person. I did it because writing, if I'm

944
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: writing stand up, I don't curse. I'm a stand up

945
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: writing kids books, writing, I don't. I won't allow myself

946
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: to curse there. So I just said I don't need

947
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: to use it all the time because I'll crutch it.

948
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. I hear so much music right

949
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: now that I'm like, there are a lot more words

950
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: to choose, and I know we have some words in ours.

951
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a crutch for some. I like it.

952
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: I like to hear it. I just a lot. I

953
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: don't like to hear it because it pops up on

954
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: my kids playlist and I'm like, bro, he can't be

955
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: listening to that. Well, Jimmy, it's been a pleasure. Thank

956
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: you very much, ma'am. And bye. We just did basically

957
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: an hour here and you and I have just not

958
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: been able to tell you're the way. It's the last

959
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: piece over the past five years individually. You were the

960
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: last part to talk to you like this. I appreciate it.

961
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: So all right, we're talking to you man. I got

962
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: a bath running. We'll hop over just alright, Jimmy Westbrook,

963
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: all right, by everybody.