Speaker 1: Alzon Media.
Speaker 2: Holy balls, it's executive dysfunction.
Speaker 3: That's what we call this, right, right, executive disorder, a
Speaker 3: rectile dysfunction?
Speaker 4: Right, what do we do?
Speaker 2: Who are we?
Speaker 5: This is? It could happen here. Executive Disorder are weekly
Speaker 5: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 5: and what it means for you.
Speaker 2: Robert Evans, I'm sorry, Garrison.
Speaker 3: I thought we were anarchists, and being an anarchist means
Speaker 3: never knowing what you're doing or why.
Speaker 4: Yes, kank of Phim.
Speaker 5: I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by James Stout and Robert
Speaker 5: Evans and Sophie Lichterman.
Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on being in MIC but it was
Speaker 2: very apll. It happens very able.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't plan for shit, Sophie. It's
Speaker 4: always chaos here.
Speaker 5: This week we are covering the week of July twenty
Speaker 5: thirty July thirtieth. Robert Evans, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: You know what? I'm chillin like Gillan.
Speaker 3: I'm not because I am not in a max security
Speaker 3: prison in Tallahassee, Florida, a federal prison. It's actually not
Speaker 3: maximum security. So let's let's talk about friend of the
Speaker 3: Pod Gilan Maxwell. We all love Gillan you know you.
Speaker 4: Speak for yourself.
Speaker 3: You LOVERR I lover Jeffrey Epstein loved her, but I
Speaker 3: don't love her. So Gillan Maxwell is the daughter of
Speaker 3: a guy named Robert Maxwell. We've done it behind the
Speaker 3: Bastards on him. It was a fun one Bartley amazing character.
Speaker 3: Basically a guy who in his early life was a
Speaker 3: character from Inglorious Bastards, like a Jewish refugee who signed
Speaker 3: up to fight the Nazis for the Brits and killed
Speaker 3: his way across Western Europe, murdering dozens of SS men.
Speaker 3: And then after the war he became a financier and
Speaker 3: destroyed Scientific Publishing and also tried to ignite a rivalry
Speaker 3: with Rupert Murdoch and failed so bad at it that
Speaker 3: he stole a billion dollars from his company's own pensions
Speaker 3: funds and then killed himself when all of that was
Speaker 3: coming out.
Speaker 5: So he really is like the average Quentin Tarantino character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I would describe him as if Quentin for
Speaker 3: some reason did a sequel to Inglorious Bastards and it
Speaker 3: was just based on Brad Pitt's character becoming like a
Speaker 3: crooked finance executive in the seventies.
Speaker 5: Becoming like the Wolf of Wall Street type guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly like that, that's his backstory. Did you use
Speaker 3: to murder Nazis? Yeah, but now I'm like foreclosing a
Speaker 3: children's hospital. Anyways, So Gillan had a rough upbringing because
Speaker 3: like her older brother had a car accident when she
Speaker 3: was very young, and he was in a coma for years.
Speaker 3: Her mom basically spent a whole year just at the
Speaker 3: hospital with him. She was ignored for a period of time,
Speaker 3: and then her parents tried to overcompensate and massively. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she has the kind of upbringing you would kind of
Speaker 3: expect for a socialite who winds up both poor as
Speaker 3: a young adult when her dad dies, not real person poor,
Speaker 3: but rich person poor. When her dad dies and the
Speaker 3: family is disgraced and all their businesses fail, and she
Speaker 3: flees to New York to try to start a new life,
Speaker 3: and the thing that makes sense to her, based on
Speaker 3: her background, being the kind of person that she is,
Speaker 3: is to find a rich man and cling to him.
Speaker 3: And that rich man happens to be Jeffrey Epstein, who
Speaker 3: starts off by kind of renting her a luxury apartment.
Speaker 3: They begin dating. At some point they stop dating. It's
Speaker 3: unclear to me how they would have defined their relationship
Speaker 3: at any point. Internally, the way they would always say
Speaker 3: it is they dated for a while, and then Jeffrey
Speaker 3: had a thing where he would say, like he never
Speaker 3: he doesn't have exes. He promotes his exes to friends. Right,
Speaker 3: and Gilan Maxwell was like his best friend and his
Speaker 3: business partner. She helped him run not his actual businesses
Speaker 3: that made money, the finance stuff, but his life, right
Speaker 3: like she ordered his houses, she managed his housekeepers, and
Speaker 3: she helped recruit girls and women because they recruited both
Speaker 3: for the stuff that Jeffrey is famous for, right, both
Speaker 3: to give him massages and in the context of Epstein,
Speaker 3: massage always means sex. And also recruit the girls that
Speaker 3: they flew around on the Lilita Express and you know,
Speaker 3: handed off to different prominent men who wanted to have
Speaker 3: sex with teenagers or very young women.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Gillan was intimately involved in all of this. She was
Speaker 3: convicted in twenty twenty two after Epstein's suicide and sentenced
Speaker 3: to twenty years in prison for all of, you know,
Speaker 3: the sex crimes that she had a part in. She
Speaker 3: was transferred to a federal prison in Tallahassee, Florida in
Speaker 3: July of twenty twenty two. She was initially held in
Speaker 3: the normal dorm like in general population, right, and the
Speaker 3: prison wing that she was in is was kind of
Speaker 3: colloquially known as the snake pit because it was a
Speaker 3: very nasty place with quite a lot of violence. To
Speaker 3: quote from an article in the Tallahassee Democrat, quote, Maxwell
Speaker 3: created a ruckus when she had a falling out with
Speaker 3: several women. After Maxwell reported two other inmates known as
Speaker 3: Los Cubanas for trying to extort her. Epstein's partner in crime,
Speaker 3: refused to use the shower stalls where violent attacks are
Speaker 3: more common, and was escorted by a guard to and
Speaker 3: from her prison library job. So she has a kind
Speaker 3: of rough early time in prison because she's in general pop.
Speaker 3: She rolls on these other inmates and that starts the
Speaker 3: process of her getting special treatment. She has since been
Speaker 3: moved because of her good behavior to an honor dorm
Speaker 3: where there are thirty or forty quarters for the best
Speaker 3: behaved inmates. She's we don't really know for sure, but
Speaker 3: it's very likely that she has a private room with storage.
Speaker 3: She's teaching yoga classes at the prison. She has at
Speaker 3: some period of time volunteered at the library. She also
Speaker 3: teaches etiquette classes. And I want to make it clear
Speaker 3: I don't have an issue actually with the fact that
Speaker 3: she's teaching yoga or doing etique class. I think if
Speaker 3: we're going to have prisons, prisoners should have access to
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I think that's all perfectly fine. I
Speaker 3: think her getting special treatment for good behavior I don't
Speaker 3: really love. But I also don't think we should have
Speaker 3: prisons that can be described as a snake pit. So
Speaker 3: I'm kind of on the mixed end here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's kind of come out during her time
Speaker 3: in prison is that she has become a vegan. She
Speaker 3: was not for most of her life, but she did
Speaker 3: when she came to prison. She's complained a lot about
Speaker 3: the quality of the food, which is never spiced and
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like unflavored tofu, and Peta has
Speaker 3: advocated on her behalf, which is pretty consistent for Peta.
Speaker 3: She's also said, and there's significant evidence that this prison
Speaker 3: regularly serves rotten food that is bad for inmate health.
Speaker 3: It is a Florida prison. When Gillan talks about it,
Speaker 3: she has in several interviews the bad conditions in her prison.
Speaker 3: She's not lying or whining. These prisons are not acceptable quality, right,
Speaker 3: Like the Florida Department of Corrections and the Federal Department
Speaker 3: of Corrections are horrible and they're doing a horrible job
Speaker 3: of run these places. The fact that I don't feel
Speaker 3: specifically compassion for Gilan Maxwell doesn't mean I want to
Speaker 3: like minimize the reality of the conditions in these prisons,
Speaker 3: because most of the prisoners there were not massive sex
Speaker 3: child sex traffickers, you know, Yeah, sure, So anyway, FCI Tallahassee,
Speaker 3: which is where she's at. She's now in the prison's
Speaker 3: on or dorm and is still trying to get out
Speaker 3: of prison. So she's made a couple of claims prior
Speaker 3: to the most recent stuff that is in the news
Speaker 3: right now that we're talking about. One of the things
Speaker 3: she's tried to argue is that the terms of Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein's when he was initially prosecuted back in like twenty
Speaker 3: and seven, two thousand and eight, the terms of his
Speaker 3: plea bargain should apply to her basically like she was
Speaker 3: included in that and so she shouldn't be liable for
Speaker 3: the things that she got sentenced for. More recently, I
Speaker 3: am not familiar with the exact legal ease her lawyer
Speaker 3: is using to make that argument, but that is the
Speaker 3: gist of the argument her lawyer is trying to make.
Speaker 3: It's not going to work. What might work is her
Speaker 3: getting a pardon. So that's probably the thing you've seen
Speaker 3: about Gillen in the news most recently is that she
Speaker 3: is basically asking Congress, if you want me to testify
Speaker 3: about Epstein and about the client list and everything. I
Speaker 3: can't talk openly if I'm in prison. And there's a
Speaker 3: degree to which, like, again, I don't support this at all,
Speaker 3: but she's not wrong that, like, well, yeah, you really
Speaker 3: couldn't talk total, Like it really isn't reasonable unreasonable to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: someone's probably not going to be able to talk openly
Speaker 3: about all of the wealthy, powerful people they saw committing
Speaker 3: sex crimes while they're locked up in prison, right, Not
Speaker 3: that prayinger is the right thing to do either. I'm
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I mean, I bet someone could have
Speaker 3: you killed. I bet there are people that you have
Speaker 3: dirt on that could have you killed in that prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and she's currently appealing her conviction to this room
Speaker 5: court and she's arguing, yes, that if she were to
Speaker 5: testifying for Congress, she would need immunity for anything that
Speaker 5: she says.
Speaker 3: Right, So that's what she's asking for now. That said,
Speaker 3: she has already very recently been talking with the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice.
Speaker 5: Yes, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch.
Speaker 3: Todd Blanche had nine hours of meetings over two days. Wow, Okay, yes,
Speaker 3: Now there are no public statements about what she said
Speaker 3: during this, Like, we don't know what this was about.
Speaker 3: We do know there was some sort of immunity agreement.
Speaker 5: A limited immunity agreement for those meetings and what she
Speaker 5: was saying in those meetings.
Speaker 3: Okay, and we don't know precisely what it covered, but
Speaker 3: it probably means that basically, you're already in for twenty years,
Speaker 3: if you talk to us about stuff that may implicate
Speaker 3: you in crimes you haven't been charged for yet, you
Speaker 3: get immunity on That is what I would guess, right,
Speaker 3: but we don't actually know precisely, like what was happening here,
Speaker 3: And yeah, there's Barrett Berger, a former federal prosecutor in
Speaker 3: New York told NBC News that he thinks that the
Speaker 3: interviews Blanche did were probably performative. Quote, it may just
Speaker 3: be a way of being able to say, look, we
Speaker 3: dotted every eye and crossed every t There's value in
Speaker 3: being able to say that we've tried to speak to
Speaker 3: everyone that we possibly could, including the co defendant.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's her argument is basically, yeah, Blanche met with
Speaker 3: Gillan so that they could say they're talking with her
Speaker 3: because she's not going to talk to Congress and they're
Speaker 3: probably not going to offer her immunity.
Speaker 5: And it's hard to imagine that, like Donald Trump's own
Speaker 5: Department of Justice is going to be investigating Donald Trump's
Speaker 5: connection to Jeffrey Epstein. So whatever comes of these meetings,
Speaker 5: I do not think that through these meetings she's going
Speaker 5: to incriminate Donald Trump and that's going to be handled
Speaker 5: in any serious way. If anything, something like the opposite
Speaker 5: is happening, where she's talking about people who are not
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, yes, and in doing so trying to gain
Speaker 5: some sort of favor with the President. As Trump has
Speaker 5: said like last week, that he's quote unquote allowed to
Speaker 5: pardon her not saying that he will, not saying that
Speaker 5: he plans to. He's a loud ton. I can play
Speaker 5: that clip here for the audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 4: Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Kelan
Speaker 4: Maxwell if.
Speaker 6: Something I haven't thought about, it's really don't recommending that something.
Speaker 6: I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not.
Speaker 2: Thought of, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: Rule it out here.
Speaker 4: I'm by it.
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, he's made a couple of
Speaker 2: weird comments about Gillan over the years. When he's asked
Speaker 2: about Jeffrey Now, he's pretty negative about him. He tends
Speaker 2: to be like, look, we knew for a while, like
Speaker 2: we were never close, and you know, we had a
Speaker 2: falling out. He's a bad guy, right, That's what he said.
Speaker 2: More recently, He's never really been negative about Gillan. More recently,
Speaker 2: the thing that I recall him saying is that like
Speaker 2: he wishes her well when she was sentenced, Yeah, which
Speaker 2: is kind of weird, right, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's kind of a result of the fact that she
Speaker 2: has something on him and he's trying to you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know that seems unlike that seems less likely
Speaker 2: to me than like maybe he actually just kind of
Speaker 2: liked Gilan Maxwell. But I don't actually know. And anyway,
Speaker 2: that's the situation. We don't know.
Speaker 3: Is Trump going to pardon her. He hasn't said he's
Speaker 3: going to. But as Garrison noted, it's weird of him
Speaker 3: to insist that he has the right to just kind
Speaker 3: of randomly, Why would you do that if you weren't
Speaker 3: thinking about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can just say no, Like you can just say.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna like, I'm not going to pardon her. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and Trump has continued to make weird comments about
Speaker 5: like Epstein, and has elaborated on his falling out with
Speaker 5: Epstein the past week, first stating that they broke up
Speaker 5: their friendship because Epstein was just poaching hotel staff, which
Speaker 5: contradicts Yeah, earlier state was Trump made, And then on
Speaker 5: July twenty ninth, he had this much more elaborate conversation
Speaker 5: on Air Force one about how Epstein was taking employees
Speaker 5: from his spa and specifically like naming known vics of
Speaker 5: sex trafficking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he specifically named Virginia Jeffrey fairly recently too, when
Speaker 3: talking about white people.
Speaker 5: It was yeah on the twenty nine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a reporter asked if she was one
Speaker 4: of the people, and he said, yes, I believe she was, right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 5: Said, I think so. He stole her as the quote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a reporter who introduced the name into
Speaker 4: the conversation. This Sweeklear.
Speaker 3: So you know, do I think she's going to get pardoned?
Speaker 3: It seems really unlikely to me, And it seems really
Speaker 3: unlikely to me in part because how would the like
Speaker 3: I have trouble imagining even that not causing huge problems
Speaker 3: for him, Right, I'm not one of these This is
Speaker 3: guys who's constantly like, ah, Trump's Trump's finally you know,
Speaker 3: we've got Donnie on the road, finally got But this
Speaker 3: is this is a big one, right, This is a
Speaker 3: big one to his followers, to just Americans in general.
Speaker 2: Something like seventy percent of the country or more.
Speaker 3: Is following this story actively and has a strong opinion
Speaker 3: on it, and there's zero electoral gain and pardoning Gillen
Speaker 3: fucking Maxwell right, like it's a It strikes me as
Speaker 3: unlikely because it seems like a serious damaging risk.
Speaker 5: The only thing they might try to do is if
Speaker 5: they try to paint like her herself as like a
Speaker 5: victim of Epstein. Right, there's been like a Newsmax segment
Speaker 5: trying to argue this. So like you can see some
Speaker 5: sectors of the right who are trying to like create
Speaker 5: room for Trump to maneuver here. But I don't know
Speaker 5: if that will be a compelling narrative nationwide.
Speaker 4: He's got to lose some people if he does that.
Speaker 2: It seems unlikely, And.
Speaker 5: I don't know. He seems annoyed that this is still
Speaker 5: a news story. He had this little Scotland vacation to
Speaker 5: finish a trade deal with the EU, which we'll talk
Speaker 5: more about next week, but throughout this Scotland vacation he
Speaker 5: was quite upset that reporters there were still asking him
Speaker 5: about one Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rush as the o'don's normal.
Speaker 8: Jeffrey hte story.
Speaker 6: How you got to be kiddy with it?
Speaker 7: No, I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 6: Only you would think that not had nothing to do
Speaker 6: with it.
Speaker 1: That is that why he cheated at golf?
Speaker 5: You know, that's a good a good call, Sophie. Maybe
Speaker 5: he was off his game because of all of these
Speaker 5: Epstein questions, and that's the only reason why he cheated
Speaker 5: at golf this one time and definitely no other times ever.
Speaker 5: Truly his his most heinous crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's kind of where we end off.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he wouldn't, right. I'll never say
Speaker 3: there's no way Gilan Maxwell gets pardoned because this is
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and he'd be crazy. It's like, there's
Speaker 3: there's credible evidence that he is considering a pardon for
Speaker 3: fucking P Diddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Deadlon reported that yesterday.
Speaker 2: And again if it if it is right, it's if
Speaker 2: he does. We know why.
Speaker 3: It's because P Diddy probably has some shit on Trump, right,
Speaker 3: and P Diddy has the kind of resources that he
Speaker 3: could have, like a a dead fall system setup, right that,
Speaker 3: like if something happened depends to him, the info gets
Speaker 3: out Like that is not beyond the kind of guy
Speaker 3: that P did he is, Whereas I don't know that
Speaker 3: Epstein ever really prepared for that eventuality.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. Like Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother
Speaker 5: was interviewed by the BBC last week and mentioned how
Speaker 5: Jeffrey was talking about like possible information he has regarding
Speaker 5: to the twenty sixteen election. But it does not sound
Speaker 5: like there was any kind of like system for this
Speaker 5: information or that even any other people knew besides Jeffrey.
Speaker 5: I can play that clip here too.
Speaker 4: Did he tell you who he knew things about it?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 7: In the twenty sixteen election, we were talking about the election,
Speaker 7: and Jeffrey told me that if if he said what
Speaker 7: he knew about the candidates, they would have to cancel
Speaker 7: the election.
Speaker 4: That's a quote, it's exactly what he told me.
Speaker 7: He said, if I said what I knew about the candidates,
Speaker 7: they'd have to cancel the election.
Speaker 4: He didn't tell me what he knew, but that's what
Speaker 4: he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in general, was like a very compartmentalized guy. And
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with all of these cases. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be worth following. But it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: going away the way that a lot of Trump stuff does,
Speaker 3: because I mean, it's Epstein right, You've gotten too much
Speaker 3: of your base hooked on this story for them to
Speaker 3: just give it up because it's inconvenient now. So I
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen, but we'll keep watching,
Speaker 3: and you keep listening to these ads, beautiful. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: those ads were so good. I feel like that picture
Speaker 3: of Bill Clinton getting a back massage from Nope.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we should do that in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, what's next? What do we talk about next?
Speaker 5: Speaking of pardons and Epstein, I'm gonna play one other
Speaker 5: clip from Trump's Scotland vacation where he's trying to reiterate
Speaker 5: his whole Epstein hoax narrative and in doing so invokes
Speaker 5: something that relates to our next topic. But I'll play
Speaker 5: I'll play this clip here.
Speaker 6: So hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. I
Speaker 6: can say this. Those files were run by the worst
Speaker 6: come on earth. They were run by uh Comy, they
Speaker 6: were run by Garland, they were run by Biden and
Speaker 6: all of the people that actually ran the government, including
Speaker 6: the Autopen. Those files were run for four years by
Speaker 6: those people. If they had anything, I assumed they would
Speaker 6: have released it.
Speaker 4: The whole thing is a hoax.
Speaker 6: They ran the files. I was running against somebody that
Speaker 6: ran the files.
Speaker 5: The auto pen. That's going to be our first mini
Speaker 5: mini story this episode. So, the autopen is this tool
Speaker 5: that helps with the signing of documents. It automates the
Speaker 5: process by replicating a signature. And this is a machine
Speaker 5: long used in the White House. It's for like hundreds
Speaker 5: of years. Barack Obama was the first one to officially
Speaker 5: use it to sign led legislation. But this is a
Speaker 5: regular tool, right And the past few months, Trump has
Speaker 5: been increasingly obsessed with the autopen in trying to attack
Speaker 5: Biden's administration and somehow take some of the blame away
Speaker 5: from Biden and onto the people who Biden was surrounded by.
Speaker 5: In June, Trump ordered an investigation into Biden's alleged use
Speaker 5: of the autopen and if other figures in Biden's White
Speaker 5: House were using the autopen without Biden's knowledge acting as
Speaker 5: shadow president. I'm going to play a clip here from
Speaker 5: Fox News discussing the possible ramifications of the autopen's use.
Speaker 10: Mister Chairman, you mentioned that you're looking at some of
Speaker 10: the pardons that were done under President Biden and the
Speaker 10: use of the autopen, doctor Fauci being one of them,
Speaker 10: talking about whether they were legitimate or not. Are you
Speaker 10: also looking into Biden's judicial appointments as well.
Speaker 9: Absolutely everything that was signed with the autopenive, especially in
Speaker 9: the last year of the Biden presidency. This is when
Speaker 9: all the books that are being written, all the tell
Speaker 9: all interviews that are being recorded from his former disgruntled
Speaker 9: staffers and staffers who are trying to preserve the reputation
Speaker 9: for future employment, They're all saying that Joe Biden was
Speaker 9: in a deep mental decline. This raises an issue whether
Speaker 9: these pardons, whether these judicial appointments, and whether these executive
Speaker 9: orders are legal. I believe that if this investigation keeps
Speaker 9: going in the way that it's going, that's going to
Speaker 9: very serious concerns about whether or not Joe Biden even
Speaker 9: you what was going on around him, much less whether
Speaker 9: he authorized the use of his signature on all of
Speaker 9: this stuff. I think all of these are in jeopardy
Speaker 9: of being declared null and void in a quart of
Speaker 9: And that's a big deal for the Trump administration because
Speaker 9: so much of what Trump is up against in court
Speaker 9: now with these liberal biased Biden appointed judges is the
Speaker 9: fact that they're using and citing some of these executive
Speaker 9: orders as reason to throw out President Trump's agenda and
Speaker 9: President Trump's executive orders.
Speaker 5: So that gets into the scope of things that we're
Speaker 5: dealing with here. It's not just pardons. This this started
Speaker 5: by talking about Biden's pardons this past March on a
Speaker 5: truth on Truth social Trump claimed that Biden's preemptive partons
Speaker 5: of members of the January sixth Investigation House Committee are
Speaker 5: quote hereby declared void, vacant, and of no further force
Speaker 5: of effect because of the fact that they were done
Speaker 5: by auto pen unquote, and like, this just isn't true
Speaker 5: that there is no constitutional requirement that pardons even be signed.
Speaker 5: He cannot void pardons like this allegedly, right, Who knows
Speaker 5: what they'll try to like do by like enforcement. But yeah,
Speaker 5: according to like the legal systems currently in place, this
Speaker 5: this like isn't real. But if they do try to
Speaker 5: legitimately go after like judicial appointments and try to create
Speaker 5: this conspiracy of this like shadow cabinet that was secretly
Speaker 5: running the government, I will be interested to see where
Speaker 5: that goes and the extent to which they think they
Speaker 5: can pull that off, especially as a way to like
Speaker 5: bypass judges who are blocking various Trump policies from being
Speaker 5: put into effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've just always been of the opinion
Speaker 3: that we shouldn't even be allowing these people to use pins.
Speaker 2: You know, niform.
Speaker 3: We already had the perfect way of putting law on
Speaker 3: the books, and we need to go back.
Speaker 2: We need to return.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then to books exist send or is it all
Speaker 4: in the clay tablets?
Speaker 3: As god all clay tablets, James, We've got him the.
Speaker 2: Whole internet clay tablets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because none of these laws are actually written on clay,
Speaker 4: and therefore, I, for one belief that they do not
Speaker 4: apply to me.
Speaker 3: That they're not valid. You know, you've heard of e
Speaker 3: inks screens. We need eat play.
Speaker 4: That is the only way that a law could be
Speaker 4: passed in these United States. Otherwise I retain my sovereignty
Speaker 4: as a citizen.
Speaker 2: That's that's what it's about.
Speaker 5: Trump does pride himself on always using the pen to
Speaker 5: sign things himself, except for like fan mail and like
Speaker 5: thank you cards, and which he gets his staff to
Speaker 5: use the auto pen to sign those can Avail supporters.
Speaker 5: But for all serious matters he prides himself on only
Speaker 5: using the pen.
Speaker 4: Not just the pen garrison. I believe he has a
Speaker 4: special Trump edition Sharpie has a big bucket of them
Speaker 4: on his desk. If I re call correctly that he
Speaker 4: then did they sell them off after it?
Speaker 5: My mistake he uses his special sharpie to sign all documents,
Speaker 5: including the next two topics, which are some executive orders. Shit.
Speaker 5: So there's been a number of executive orders in the
Speaker 5: past few weeks that are forming what's what the White
Speaker 5: House is calling the AI Action Plan, which largely seeks
Speaker 5: to loosen restrictions and regulations on AI and accelerate the
Speaker 5: building of data centers to power AI training so that
Speaker 5: American companies can better compete in the global market. But
Speaker 5: there was another AI executive order signed last week on
Speaker 5: July twenty third, which is titled preventing Woke AI in
Speaker 5: the Federal Government.
Speaker 1: Wow. Incredible.
Speaker 5: I'm going to read the first two sentences which are
Speaker 5: which are long sentences of the AI executive Order on
Speaker 5: woke AI. Quote. In the AI context, DEI includes the
Speaker 5: suppression or distortion of factual information about race or sex,
Speaker 5: manipulation of racial or sexual representation in model outputs, incorporation
Speaker 5: of concepts like critical race theory, transgenderism, unconscious bias, intersectionality,
Speaker 5: and systemic racism, and discrimination on the basis of race
Speaker 5: or sex. DEI displaces the commitment to truth in favor
Speaker 5: of preferred outcomes and as and history illustrates poses an
Speaker 5: existential threat to reliable AI. For example, one major AI
Speaker 5: model changed the race or sex of historical figures, including
Speaker 5: the Pope, the Founding Fathers, and Vikings when prompted for images,
Speaker 5: because it was trained to prioritize DEI requirements at the
Speaker 5: cost of accuracy. Another AI model refused to produce images
Speaker 5: celebrating the achievements of white people, even while complying in
Speaker 5: the same request for people of other races. And yet
Speaker 5: another case, an AI model asserted that a user should
Speaker 5: not quote unquote misgender another person, even if necessary to
Speaker 5: stop a new killar apocalyse Official White House Executive Order documentary.
Speaker 4: The last one is one of the fucking funniest things
Speaker 4: I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: Would you suck off one hundred apes to save one
Speaker 5: human life?
Speaker 3: Well that absolutely not absolutely, but I would do the reverse.
Speaker 5: This is this is like, this is crazy stuff, right,
Speaker 5: This this is stuff that you would see like daily
Speaker 5: wire posters talking about like four years ago.
Speaker 4: This seems like debate me bro like blue tick Twitter stuff. Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but even even talking about you know, like how
Speaker 5: like things like unconscious bias and systemic racism cannot be mentioned, right?
Speaker 5: Those are things that that specifically Ben Shapiro has like
Speaker 5: led their charge on attacking and mainstream in mainstream like
Speaker 5: political disagreement for a while now, like arguing that that
Speaker 5: systemic racism is not a thing. Yeah, and now you
Speaker 5: have orders specifically targeting systemic racism being used in AI outputs.
Speaker 5: So part of what this executive order actually seeks to
Speaker 5: do is make it so that the government can only
Speaker 5: use large language models that are developed with the principles
Speaker 5: of quote unquote truth seeking and ideological neutrality, requiring that
Speaker 5: these are nonpartisan tools that do not manipulate responses in
Speaker 5: favor of ideological dogmas such as DEI. In a f act,
Speaker 5: the order seeks to use government contracts as bribes to
Speaker 5: make companies ensure that their AIS are not woke, with
Speaker 5: the Trump administration serving as the judge of what is
Speaker 5: and isn't woke and threatening to pull contracts and force
Speaker 5: companies to pay cancelation fees if their AI language model
Speaker 5: is deemed to be too woke.
Speaker 1: I never want to hear the word woke again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so fucking tired.
Speaker 1: That's exhausting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Jim Crow for the for the computer. These
Speaker 4: ways what this.
Speaker 5: Is like as a part of this AI action plan,
Speaker 5: Like they're like third or fourth main principle is quote
Speaker 5: unquote upholding free speech in frontier models, updating federal procurement
Speaker 5: guidelines to ensure that the government only contracts with frontier
Speaker 5: large language model developers who ensure that their systems are
Speaker 5: objective and free from top down ideological bias. That's the
Speaker 5: opposite of free speech.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you.
Speaker 5: We will like make sure that they only do this
Speaker 5: specific thing that we want, and we're calling that upholding
Speaker 5: free speech.
Speaker 1: Just say you want Mecca Hitler Rock.
Speaker 2: Just just he has groc has indeed said that.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. So that's the first executive order
Speaker 5: that I want to talk about. The next one is
Speaker 5: less brain roddy and more horrific actually scary. Like I'm
Speaker 5: sure the WOKEI one will turn out to be bad,
Speaker 5: but this next one is like extremely extremely fascistic, and
Speaker 5: I don't use that word lightly. This order is titled
Speaker 5: ending crime and Disorder on America's Streets. I'll start by
Speaker 5: quoting one paragraph quote Endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior, sudden confrontations,
Speaker 5: and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe shifting homeless
Speaker 5: individuals into long term institutional settings for humane treatment through
Speaker 5: the appropriate use of civil commitment will restore public order.
Speaker 5: The Attorney General shall prioritize available funding to support the
Speaker 5: expansion of drug courts and mental health courts for individuals
Speaker 5: for which such diversion serves public safety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is bad, this is yeah. Some again, people
Speaker 4: like to like to use fascism a lot, but the yeah,
Speaker 4: this is some Nazi shit like this, this is a
Speaker 4: thing that the Nazis did.
Speaker 5: Yep, let's get more into what this order outlines. So
Speaker 5: this executive order directs the Attorney General to reverse quote
Speaker 5: unquote judicial precedents prohibiting involuntary institutionalization and to seek the
Speaker 5: quote termination of consent decrees that impede the United States
Speaker 5: policy of encouraging the civil commitment of individuals with mental
Speaker 5: illnesses who pose risks to themselves or the public, or
Speaker 5: or are living on the streets. It starts but you know,
Speaker 5: if someone's at risk to themselves, and then expands that
Speaker 5: to just include everybody, if they're deemed to be at
Speaker 5: risk to the public or just happen to be living outside. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you can now get put in what is essentially Trump's
Speaker 5: new version of a scene asylums.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like we shouldn't not mention that a
Speaker 4: lot of this shit, it's directly downstream from democratic mass
Speaker 4: in large cities and especially in California, pushing frint voluntary
Speaker 4: commitment of bunt house.
Speaker 5: No, this is like Gavin Newsom's wet dream. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is Todd Gloria's shit.
Speaker 3: Honestly, this is unfortunately very bipartisan when we are at
Speaker 3: least talking about the political elite, and to a sizeable
Speaker 3: extent when we're talking about the electorate. Right, Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is an issue on which the left has catastrophically lost,
Speaker 3: just like immigration. Unlike immigration, it is not an issue
Speaker 3: in which we're starting to see the pendulum swing back.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, number one, I mean, I guess we have
Speaker 3: not yet seen the kind of violence deployed against the
Speaker 3: House US by agents of the state at scale in
Speaker 3: public that we're seeing right now on migrants. Right, Like,
Speaker 3: there's not a federal agency going to war on the houseless.
Speaker 3: It's the same kind of islence that's existed previously. But
Speaker 3: also like there's a huge amount of propaganda against this,
Speaker 3: Like every City Business Association, you know, is constantly complaint
Speaker 3: because they see this as like, oh, this is why
Speaker 3: people don't want to come into stores anymore.
Speaker 2: It's the houseless, you know, it's not fucking Amazon or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's absolute bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean some of that might change, though, because
Speaker 5: Trump is seeking to mobilize federal resources to start doing enforcement. Yes,
Speaker 5: the order direction Trump's cabinet to be giving grants to
Speaker 5: state and local governments to help enact civil commitment and
Speaker 5: institutional treatment, with the priority of grants being directed to
Speaker 5: states and municipalities that already have and enforce strong anti
Speaker 5: homeless policies. The order allows for emergency federal law enforcement
Speaker 5: assistance funds to be used for encampment removal, and directs
Speaker 5: the Secretary of Health and Human Services to remove federal
Speaker 5: funding from quote unquote harm reduction or quote unquote safe
Speaker 5: consumption programs, as well as quote ending support for housing
Speaker 5: first policies that deprioritize accountability and fail to promote treatment, recovery,
Speaker 5: and self sufficiency. So not only are they increasing enforcement
Speaker 5: capacity to apprehend mentally ill or houses people and put
Speaker 5: them into institutional facilities, but they are cutting all federal
Speaker 5: funds from programs that are deemed to be harm reduction
Speaker 5: or safe consumption, which are programs that have been shown
Speaker 5: to work across the globe, as well as ending housing
Speaker 5: first policies, which is what most homeless advocates actually push
Speaker 5: for as a way to solve homelessness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there evidence based and they work.
Speaker 5: The order also requires that recipients of federal housing and
Speaker 5: Homelessness assistance to force participants who suffer from substance abuse, disorder,
Speaker 5: or serious mental illnesses into quote unquote treatment or mental
Speaker 5: health services as a condition of participation unquote, and that
Speaker 5: the recipients of these petrol funds are now required to
Speaker 5: collect quote unquote health related information from everyone who has
Speaker 5: provided assistance, and is required to share that data with
Speaker 5: law enforcement quote in circumstances permitted by law.
Speaker 1: Don't love that. That's horrible. Yeah, that's really just not
Speaker 1: aligning one across.
Speaker 5: That's so scary, yeap, the weaponization of health data for
Speaker 5: law enforcement, yes services.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And unfortunately it's exactly the thing that like
Speaker 3: for years, advocates for mental health care have been trying
Speaker 3: to get across, like, hey, it's okay to go in
Speaker 3: to seek treatment like this is stuff isn't going to
Speaker 3: be weaponized against you, And.
Speaker 4: That's not true anymore.
Speaker 3: Like the degree to which, outside of the actual danger
Speaker 3: of law enforcement getting this data and using it, the
Speaker 3: setback to mental health care to people feeling having any
Speaker 3: chance of feeling safe to pursue it is like incomprehensible,
Speaker 3: Like it's so bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And not only are they seeking to go after users,
Speaker 5: the recipients of federal housing and Homelessness assistance that operate
Speaker 5: drug injection sites or quote unquote safe conception sites will
Speaker 5: be reviewed by the Attorney General for violation of federal
Speaker 5: law and bring civil or criminal action in appropriate cases.
Speaker 5: Literally going after people who try to create environments where
Speaker 5: people who use drugs can do so in a method
Speaker 5: that will not kill them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people who are handing out clean needles, you know,
Speaker 3: safe injection sites, that sort of thing, any kind of
Speaker 3: harm reduction.
Speaker 5: Which will now be under investigation by the Attorney General.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which is going to get people killed. It's
Speaker 3: going to imprison people who have been doing nothing but
Speaker 3: helping other people. Like it's just comprehensively a nightmare.
Speaker 4: It's going to lead to more communicable diseases. Spreading that
Speaker 4: we don't like that some of these safe injection sites
Speaker 4: have prevented spreading right, needle exchanges have prevented when we
Speaker 4: combine it. R of case, stuff like this is going
Speaker 4: to be a made to public health issue on top
Speaker 4: of everything else, So.
Speaker 5: On top of expanding drug courts and mental health courts.
Speaker 5: I will will end with one final quote from the order. Quote,
Speaker 5: they will ensure that homeless individuals arrested for federal crimes
Speaker 5: are evaluated to determine whether they are sexually dangerous persons
Speaker 5: and certified accordingly for civil commitment. And finally, Trump's Cabinet
Speaker 5: is directed to quote assess federal resources to determine whether
Speaker 5: they may be directed towards ensuring that detainees with serious
Speaker 5: mental illnesses are not released into the public because of
Speaker 5: the lack of forensic bed capacity at appropriate local, state
Speaker 5: and federal jails or hospitals. Unquote, it remains to be
Speaker 5: seen this scale in which this will be implemented. Usually
Speaker 5: these orders have a series of months in which the
Speaker 5: cabinet members will then propose actual implementation policies that then
Speaker 5: can be implemented across the country. But certainly is in
Speaker 5: the order itself is incredibly worrying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, we probably shouldn't let this guy become president again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh well, do you know what we should do right now?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, ads, just good to ads. Sure have
Speaker 2: fun with that.
Speaker 8: Everyone talking of shouldn't have let that guy become president again.
Speaker 8: One of the reasons that I did become president again
Speaker 8: is because the Democrats were incapable of fielding a candidate
Speaker 8: who could say genocide bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That might have helped.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a fucking low bar and it failed
Speaker 4: to clear it.
Speaker 2: It might have helped.
Speaker 5: It might have helped. According to new data from New York,
Speaker 5: where two thirds or more of New York Democratic primary
Speaker 5: voters agree with Zora Mondomny's positions on Israel and arresting
Speaker 5: Benjamina Yahoo, and the fifty seven percent say that they
Speaker 5: might oppose Democrats who do not endorse Momdani for mayor. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because so it seems like, yeah, maybe the Democrats should
Speaker 5: have done something about that.
Speaker 2: It seems like the majority of their base wants that. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those.
Speaker 3: I always hate it when people are like, try to
Speaker 3: reduce the loss to one thing, because there's a number
Speaker 3: of but like one. Yeah, like Michigan. We can probably
Speaker 3: blame the loss of Michigan on Kamala's failures to call
Speaker 3: Gaza a genocide or to take any kind of a
Speaker 3: stance separating her from Biden on that matter. Right, Like,
Speaker 3: there's a decent amount of evidence to suggest that maybe
Speaker 3: other states, you know, other things went wrong, but like this,
Speaker 3: that was a significant reason why the Democrats failed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at look at the way if we're about
Speaker 4: to discuss how the Hirety Canada, while we have been
Speaker 4: recording this is announced that it is joining the UK
Speaker 4: and France and plans to conditionally recognize a Palestinian state. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the reason that is happening is because Israel's genocide
Speaker 4: in Gaza is continuing. July has been the deadliest month
Speaker 4: for the past year and a half. One person has
Speaker 4: died every twelve minutes. One hundred and ninety nine people
Speaker 4: have died every day. Four hundred and one of them
Speaker 4: have been injured. We saw this week nineteen people died
Speaker 4: of starvation. None of these people are dying because of
Speaker 4: a famine that's caused by the weather or some other
Speaker 4: natural cause. Right, this is entirely a choice, and it's
Speaker 4: made by people in the Israeli state, very chiefly by
Speaker 4: Benjamin net Yahoo to quote Netyaho. Israel has been forced
Speaker 4: to allow some aid into the strip, but only a
Speaker 4: tiny fraction of the required aid has made its way
Speaker 4: in One in five children in Gaza is suffering from
Speaker 4: acute Mault nutrition. That figure has tripled since last month,
Speaker 4: according to the World Health Organization. Not only is there
Speaker 4: not enough food, but there are also not enough medical
Speaker 4: supplies to treat people with acute Mault nutrition. Right, when
Speaker 4: somebody is acutely malnurried, you can't just like hand them
Speaker 4: a sandwich and fix a problem.
Speaker 3: This was a major problem when liberating the concentration camps
Speaker 3: at the end of World War Two. American soldiers would
Speaker 3: see these people who were just as I mean, can
Speaker 3: you've seen pictures of Auschwitz survivors and stuff and just
Speaker 3: act with immediate human compassion and give them whatever they wanted? Right,
Speaker 3: And then people got sick and died because you literally can't.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 3: There's a very specific way when someone is that far
Speaker 3: gone that you have to slowly renourish them whatever, yeah.
Speaker 4: Refeed them, ensure that they are maintaining adequate hydration. Levels
Speaker 4: right therapeutic formula for babies that are malnourished.
Speaker 3: It's more it's I think there's this like mystic understanding
Speaker 3: that like, oh, starving people are just hungry, so you
Speaker 3: just feed them and like past a certain point, No,
Speaker 3: they're not just hungry.
Speaker 2: Something else is going.
Speaker 4: Their bodies are failing and beginning to die, and that
Speaker 4: requires medical attention because they have a very serious medical condition.
Speaker 4: Those medical supplies are a lot getting into Gaza. The
Speaker 4: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification generally referred to as the
Speaker 4: IPC is student alert for what it calls quote the
Speaker 4: worst case scenario of famine in Gaza this week. In
Speaker 4: their alert, they said, quote, over twenty thousand children have
Speaker 4: been admitted for treatment for a cute malnutrition between April
Speaker 4: and mid July, with more than three thousand severely malnourished.
Speaker 4: Hospitals have reported a rapid increase in hunger related deaths
Speaker 4: of children under five years of age, with at least
Speaker 4: sixteen reported deaths since the seventeenth of July. That's not
Speaker 4: really much that I think we can say about this
Speaker 4: other than that it's absolutely despicable and disgusting. As a
Speaker 4: result of Israel carrying out a genocide in the open.
Speaker 4: The UK, France and Canada have indicated, as I said,
Speaker 4: they're willing to recognize a Palestinian state with some conditions.
Speaker 4: Statehood will not feed these children, rightly, these people will
Speaker 4: be dead long before the state is recognizing as something changes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole recognizing statehood for me is less meaningful
Speaker 3: because I care about states than it is as a
Speaker 3: symbol of the fact that France, you know, and the
Speaker 3: UK and an increasing number of nations who were not
Speaker 3: like imagining them ten years ago, like taking the stance
Speaker 3: of being as critical of Israel as they are would
Speaker 3: have been a stretch, right, would have been difficult to comprehend.
Speaker 3: And I think what it really does showcase is how
Speaker 3: rapidly international opinion has changed and the very dangerous situation
Speaker 3: Israel has gotten itself into where I don't think it
Speaker 3: is a matter of immediate danger because the weapons aren't
Speaker 3: going to stop flowing and no one is going to
Speaker 3: stop them militarily, but they are sabotaging the ground underneath themselves,
Speaker 3: and I do think I mean, maybe this is me
Speaker 3: being unreasonably hopeful here, but yeah, like this is I
Speaker 3: think they're setting up their own downfall here, you know,
Speaker 3: not quick enough to save any of these lives, but like,
Speaker 3: this is not a good position for them to be
Speaker 3: in a country that's this dependent upon foreign trade, upon
Speaker 3: foreign weapons, upon foreign support for its survival. Like they're
Speaker 3: sabotaging themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're becoming a paria state, far too slowly given
Speaker 4: what's happened over the last couple of years, But it's happening.
Speaker 4: I'll just finish, I guess by saying that Israel has
Speaker 4: agreed to make tactical pauses, which is I don't know
Speaker 4: what that really means, to allow it to enter the
Speaker 4: IPC report suggesting media actions to protect life, but it
Speaker 4: concludes a quote, none of this is possible unless there
Speaker 4: is a cease fire, and there is no sign of
Speaker 4: that in the immediate future. Let's talk about immigration, shall
Speaker 4: we something something that is also pretty much a downer.
Speaker 4: I guess the State Department is rolled back it's visa
Speaker 4: interview waiver. This was a pandemic era thing, right that
Speaker 4: people didn't have to come into the consulate and actually
Speaker 4: do an interview with a physical human for their visa.
Speaker 4: This will result in massive delays at consulates around the
Speaker 4: world and will mean that visas are inaccessible for some
Speaker 4: people entirely right because getting to a consulate alone is
Speaker 4: a barrier for them, right or another expense, and it's
Speaker 4: a risky expense if you think you might be turned down.
Speaker 4: The government has been canceling hearings, according to NBC Miami
Speaker 4: of people in the Everglade Detention Facility AKAA Alligator Alcatraz
Speaker 4: right it makes are also being denied the right to
Speaker 4: meet with their attorneys. The government asserted that everyone there
Speaker 4: has a final removal order. However, at least one attorney
Speaker 4: with two clients there the NBC Miami spoke to said
Speaker 4: that this was not the case for their clients. They
Speaker 4: don't have final removal orders, but nonetheless they are not
Speaker 4: able to access their due process rights. There is a
Speaker 4: lawsuitanwn this and many other issues at the center that
Speaker 4: will be held on the eighteenth of August. Talking of removals,
Speaker 4: we are beginning to see first hand accounts from the
Speaker 4: Venezuelan people who were detained as Sicotte. Two hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty Venezuelan detainees there were traded with Venezuela in a
Speaker 4: three way trade for the US citidents detained in Venezuela. Right,
Speaker 4: three way trade. I mean very clearly the people in
Speaker 4: Seccott were really under US custard. Yes, right, so it's
Speaker 4: just a workaround for a direct trade.
Speaker 2: Well, or at least I mean they were under the
Speaker 2: custody of a US contractor, right, Like, that's I think
Speaker 2: the accurate way to describe this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I think that's probably yeah. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 4: US had control over their comings and goings, as it's
Speaker 4: demonstrated by this prisoner exchange.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: These reports indicate that the plane landed and immediately Salvatory
Speaker 4: and police entered and beat the men so civily that
Speaker 4: flight attendants on the plane cried and agent told them
Speaker 4: in Spanish quote, this will teach you to enter our
Speaker 4: country illegally. Many of the men, I should point out,
Speaker 4: did not enter the country between ports of entry or
Speaker 4: without inspection. They entered via CBP one, the only legal
Speaker 4: way for them to claim asylum at that time. The
Speaker 4: men said they were beaten, kicked, and shot with rubber pellets.
Speaker 4: They were never allowed outside, and guards would mock them
Speaker 4: and refuse to tell them the time when they asked.
Speaker 4: Several of them mentioned a fellow detainee who began cutting himself,
Speaker 4: writing messages on the wall in his own blood. Those
Speaker 4: messages include, stop hitting us, we are fathers, we are brothers,
Speaker 4: we are innocent people. Shortly before their release, they say
Speaker 4: they were treated better, allowed to shower and shave, and
Speaker 4: given medicine. When one of the men returned, his neighbors
Speaker 4: clapped together to raise twenty bucks for his mother to
Speaker 4: decorate the house and make him a meal of chicken,
Speaker 4: rice and plantains. That one was particularly hard for me
Speaker 4: to read for some reason, because that specific meal is
Speaker 4: one I've eaten with the people within carakas the people
Speaker 4: I was with in the Darian Gap. Right, it just
Speaker 4: seemed very personal to me. They also noted that many
Speaker 4: of the men well detained, parade and read the Bible.
Speaker 4: They use food packaging and even food to make dice
Speaker 4: and playing cards to play games. The things that I
Speaker 4: read in this are actually like, really heartbreaking, because I've
Speaker 4: seen folks from Venezuela go through really horrific things. Right,
Speaker 4: they were in the Daryan Gap when I was in
Speaker 4: a Darian Gap. I've seen him in outdoor attention. I've
Speaker 4: also spent time living in Venezuela and throughout that like people,
Speaker 4: Venezuelan people have shown incredible capacity to continue to smile
Speaker 4: and have joy and have a joke and have a laugh.
Speaker 4: So like, seeing these men so thoroughly beaten down by
Speaker 4: the Salvadarrian state is really hard. I'd encourage you all
Speaker 4: to read the pro public apiece, which I will link
Speaker 4: in the show notes. But yeah, it's yeah, it's as
Speaker 4: bad as we expected it to be. Right, I don't
Speaker 4: think for a minute that else Albert or expected them
Speaker 4: to leave. So it treats them like I'm sure it
Speaker 4: treats everybody else there. Yeah, right, Like that's that's that's
Speaker 4: what you have to assume. And that's why it's important
Speaker 4: not to limit the discussion or the anger to the
Speaker 4: case of you know, the Garcia and you know this
Speaker 4: couple of people who are quote unquote obviously.
Speaker 2: In essence individual people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like nobody should be in Seacott and quite frankly,
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden's right, you know we should. We should invade
Speaker 3: El Salvador if that's what it takes to close this
Speaker 3: place down. Yeah, like fuck them, like it's it's I mean,
Speaker 3: or someone should invade us. I don't fucking know whatever
Speaker 3: it takes to stop this shit, but like it's unacceptable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's inhumane. Like a world where this suxists is
Speaker 4: not a world we should want. No, I guess maybe
Speaker 4: and with some good news and a little fundraiser if
Speaker 4: people want to donate good news, is it. A judge
Speaker 4: has ordered the release of Kilmar Abrego. I guess he
Speaker 4: prefers to just use the first part of his last
Speaker 4: name Spanish. Last names come from your mother and father.
Speaker 4: Some people use both on PBS one.
Speaker 2: Oh, I hadn't got that. Actually, thank you, James, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you are welcome.
Speaker 4: Judge Enis ordered that he be returned to Maryland, not
Speaker 4: be immediately detained by ICE on his release, and the
Speaker 4: seventy two hours notice be given if they try to
Speaker 4: remove him. I have seen reporting that says she has
Speaker 4: ordered that he can't be deported. That's not true. She
Speaker 4: ordered that he have his due process rights if they
Speaker 4: attempt to remove him, right. I've also seen reporting that
Speaker 4: he is like out and about on the street. That
Speaker 4: is not true. A Tennessee judge did deny the government's
Speaker 4: attempts to detain him while he awaits criminal trial, but
Speaker 4: at the request of his legal team. His release has
Speaker 4: been stayed by thirty days. I believe this is to
Speaker 4: prevent ice grabbing him and deporting him immediately when he's
Speaker 4: released or thereafter, right until they got their clarification from judges. Genis.
Speaker 4: This comes after Trump administration or the DOJ has failed
Speaker 4: to persuade any for federal judges that he was a
Speaker 4: leader of MS thirteen. His lawyers have also asked a
Speaker 4: judge to stop DHS posting about this and prejudicing a
Speaker 4: potential jury pool. So, at least in this one case, right,
Speaker 4: this man is moving closer to being back with his family.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about a fundraiser and then we can finish up. Yeah,
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