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Speaker 1: Alzon Media.

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Speaker 2: Holy balls, it's executive dysfunction.

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Speaker 3: That's what we call this, right, right, executive disorder, a

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Speaker 3: rectile dysfunction?

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Speaker 4: Right, what do we do?

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Speaker 2: Who are we?

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Speaker 5: This is? It could happen here. Executive Disorder are weekly

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Speaker 5: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 5: and what it means for you.

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Speaker 2: Robert Evans, I'm sorry, Garrison.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were anarchists, and being an anarchist means

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Speaker 3: never knowing what you're doing or why.

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Speaker 4: Yes, kank of Phim.

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Speaker 5: I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by James Stout and Robert

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Speaker 5: Evans and Sophie Lichterman.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on being in MIC but it was

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Speaker 2: very apll. It happens very able.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't plan for shit, Sophie. It's

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Speaker 4: always chaos here.

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Speaker 5: This week we are covering the week of July twenty

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Speaker 5: thirty July thirtieth. Robert Evans, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: You know what? I'm chillin like Gillan.

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Speaker 3: I'm not because I am not in a max security

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Speaker 3: prison in Tallahassee, Florida, a federal prison. It's actually not

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Speaker 3: maximum security. So let's let's talk about friend of the

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Speaker 3: Pod Gilan Maxwell. We all love Gillan you know you.

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Speaker 4: Speak for yourself.

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Speaker 3: You LOVERR I lover Jeffrey Epstein loved her, but I

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Speaker 3: don't love her. So Gillan Maxwell is the daughter of

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Speaker 3: a guy named Robert Maxwell. We've done it behind the

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Speaker 3: Bastards on him. It was a fun one Bartley amazing character.

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Speaker 3: Basically a guy who in his early life was a

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Speaker 3: character from Inglorious Bastards, like a Jewish refugee who signed

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Speaker 3: up to fight the Nazis for the Brits and killed

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Speaker 3: And then after the war he became a financier and

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Speaker 3: he stole a billion dollars from his company's own pensions

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Speaker 5: So he really is like the average Quentin Tarantino character.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I would describe him as if Quentin for

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Speaker 3: some reason did a sequel to Inglorious Bastards and it

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Speaker 3: was just based on Brad Pitt's character becoming like a

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Speaker 3: crooked finance executive in the seventies.

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Speaker 5: Becoming like the Wolf of Wall Street type guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly like that, that's his backstory. Did you use

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Speaker 3: to murder Nazis? Yeah, but now I'm like foreclosing a

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Speaker 3: children's hospital. Anyways, So Gillan had a rough upbringing because

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Speaker 3: like her older brother had a car accident when she

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Speaker 3: Her mom basically spent a whole year just at the

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Speaker 3: and then her parents tried to overcompensate and massively. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: she has the kind of upbringing you would kind of

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Speaker 3: expect for a socialite who winds up both poor as

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Speaker 3: and the thing that makes sense to her, based on

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Speaker 3: And that rich man happens to be Jeffrey Epstein, who

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Speaker 3: starts off by kind of renting her a luxury apartment.

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Speaker 3: They begin dating. At some point they stop dating. It's

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Speaker 3: unclear to me how they would have defined their relationship

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have exes. He promotes his exes to friends. Right,

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Speaker 3: and Gilan Maxwell was like his best friend and his

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Speaker 3: like she ordered his houses, she managed his housekeepers, and

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Speaker 3: she helped recruit girls and women because they recruited both

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Speaker 3: to give him massages and in the context of Epstein,

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Speaker 3: they flew around on the Lilita Express and you know,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Gillan was intimately involved in all of this. She was

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Speaker 3: created a ruckus when she had a falling out with

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Speaker 3: refused to use the shower stalls where violent attacks are

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Speaker 3: She rolls on these other inmates and that starts the

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Speaker 3: process of her getting special treatment. She has since been

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Speaker 3: it's very likely that she has a private room with storage.

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Speaker 3: She's teaching yoga classes at the prison. She has at

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. I think that's all perfectly fine. I

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Speaker 3: Another thing that's kind of come out during her time

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Speaker 3: She's also said, and there's significant evidence that this prison

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Speaker 3: she has in several interviews the bad conditions in her prison.

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Speaker 3: She's not lying or whining. These prisons are not acceptable quality, right,

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Speaker 3: child sex traffickers, you know, Yeah, sure, So anyway, FCI Tallahassee,

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Speaker 3: It's not going to work. What might work is her

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Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I mean, I bet someone could have

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, and she's currently appealing her conviction to this room

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Speaker 5: court and she's arguing, yes, that if she were to

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Speaker 3: Right, So that's what she's asking for now. That said,

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Speaker 3: Todd Blanche had nine hours of meetings over two days. Wow, Okay, yes,

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Speaker 5: A limited immunity agreement for those meetings and what she

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Speaker 3: Okay, and we don't know precisely what it covered, but

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Speaker 3: it probably means that basically, you're already in for twenty years,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, there's Barrett Berger, a former federal prosecutor in

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Speaker 3: So that's her argument is basically, yeah, Blanche met with

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Speaker 3: Gillan so that they could say they're talking with her

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Speaker 3: probably not going to offer her immunity.

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Speaker 5: And it's hard to imagine that, like Donald Trump's own

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Speaker 5: Department of Justice is going to be investigating Donald Trump's

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Speaker 5: connection to Jeffrey Epstein. So whatever comes of these meetings,

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Speaker 5: I do not think that through these meetings she's going

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Speaker 5: in any serious way. If anything, something like the opposite

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, yes, and in doing so trying to gain

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Speaker 5: said like last week, that he's quote unquote allowed to

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Speaker 5: pardon her not saying that he will, not saying that

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Speaker 5: he plans to. He's a loud ton. I can play

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that.

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Speaker 4: Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Kelan

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Speaker 2: And in addition to that, he's made a couple of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can just say no, Like you can just say.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna like, I'm not going to pardon her. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, and Trump has continued to make weird comments about

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Speaker 5: It was yeah on the twenty nine.

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Speaker 5: Said, I think so. He stole her as the quote.

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Speaker 3: So you know, do I think she's going to get pardoned?

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Speaker 3: It seems really unlikely to me, And it seems really

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Speaker 2: Something like seventy percent of the country or more.

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Speaker 4: He's got to lose some people if he does that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. He seems annoyed that this is still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the rush as the o'don's normal.

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Speaker 6: How you got to be kiddy with it?

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Speaker 7: No, I had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a good a good call, Sophie. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's kind of where we end off.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he wouldn't, right. I'll never say

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Speaker 3: there's no way Gilan Maxwell gets pardoned because this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Deadlon reported that yesterday.

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Speaker 2: And again if it if it is right, it's if

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Speaker 3: It's because P Diddy probably has some shit on Trump, right,

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Speaker 4: Did he tell you who he knew things about it?

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Speaker 7: In the twenty sixteen election, we were talking about the election,

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Speaker 4: That's a quote, it's exactly what he told me.

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Speaker 7: He said, if I said what I knew about the candidates,

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Speaker 4: He didn't tell me what he knew, but that's what

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with all of these cases. It's

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we should do that in this episode.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of pardons and Epstein, I'm gonna play one other

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Speaker 6: So hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. I

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Speaker 6: the Autopen. Those files were run for four years by

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Speaker 4: The whole thing is a hoax.

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Speaker 6: They ran the files. I was running against somebody that

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Speaker 5: The auto pen. That's going to be our first mini

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Speaker 5: In June, Trump ordered an investigation into Biden's alleged use

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Speaker 10: Mister Chairman, you mentioned that you're looking at some of

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Speaker 9: Absolutely everything that was signed with the autopenive, especially in

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Speaker 5: So that gets into the scope of things that we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've just always been of the opinion

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Speaker 2: You know, niform.

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Speaker 3: We already had the perfect way of putting law on

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Speaker 2: We need to return.

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Speaker 3: As god all clay tablets, James, We've got him the.

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Speaker 2: Whole internet clay tablets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because none of these laws are actually written on clay,

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Speaker 4: and therefore, I, for one belief that they do not

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Speaker 4: apply to me.

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Speaker 3: That they're not valid. You know, you've heard of e

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Speaker 3: inks screens. We need eat play.

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Speaker 4: That is the only way that a law could be

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Speaker 4: passed in these United States. Otherwise I retain my sovereignty

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Speaker 4: as a citizen.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what it's about.

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Speaker 5: Trump does pride himself on always using the pen to

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Speaker 5: sign things himself, except for like fan mail and like

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Speaker 5: thank you cards, and which he gets his staff to

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Speaker 5: use the auto pen to sign those can Avail supporters.

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Speaker 5: But for all serious matters he prides himself on only

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Speaker 5: using the pen.

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Speaker 4: Not just the pen garrison. I believe he has a

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Speaker 4: special Trump edition Sharpie has a big bucket of them

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Speaker 4: on his desk. If I re call correctly that he

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Speaker 4: then did they sell them off after it?

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Speaker 5: My mistake he uses his special sharpie to sign all documents,

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Speaker 5: including the next two topics, which are some executive orders. Shit.

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Speaker 5: So there's been a number of executive orders in the

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Speaker 5: past few weeks that are forming what's what the White

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Speaker 5: House is calling the AI Action Plan, which largely seeks

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Speaker 5: to loosen restrictions and regulations on AI and accelerate the

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Speaker 5: building of data centers to power AI training so that

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Speaker 5: American companies can better compete in the global market. But

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Speaker 5: there was another AI executive order signed last week on

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Speaker 5: July twenty third, which is titled preventing Woke AI in

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Speaker 5: the Federal Government.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Incredible.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to read the first two sentences which are

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Speaker 5: which are long sentences of the AI executive Order on

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Speaker 5: woke AI. Quote. In the AI context, DEI includes the

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Speaker 5: suppression or distortion of factual information about race or sex,

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Speaker 5: manipulation of racial or sexual representation in model outputs, incorporation

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Speaker 5: of concepts like critical race theory, transgenderism, unconscious bias, intersectionality,

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Speaker 5: and systemic racism, and discrimination on the basis of race

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Speaker 5: or sex. DEI displaces the commitment to truth in favor

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Speaker 5: of preferred outcomes and as and history illustrates poses an

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Speaker 5: existential threat to reliable AI. For example, one major AI

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Speaker 5: model changed the race or sex of historical figures, including

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Speaker 5: the Pope, the Founding Fathers, and Vikings when prompted for images,

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Speaker 5: because it was trained to prioritize DEI requirements at the

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Speaker 5: cost of accuracy. Another AI model refused to produce images

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Speaker 5: celebrating the achievements of white people, even while complying in

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Speaker 5: the same request for people of other races. And yet

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Speaker 5: another case, an AI model asserted that a user should

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Speaker 5: not quote unquote misgender another person, even if necessary to

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Speaker 5: stop a new killar apocalyse Official White House Executive Order documentary.

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Speaker 4: The last one is one of the fucking funniest things

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Speaker 4: I've ever heard.

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Speaker 5: Would you suck off one hundred apes to save one

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Speaker 5: human life?

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Speaker 3: Well that absolutely not absolutely, but I would do the reverse.

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Speaker 5: This is this is like, this is crazy stuff, right,

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Speaker 5: This this is stuff that you would see like daily

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Speaker 5: wire posters talking about like four years ago.

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Speaker 4: This seems like debate me bro like blue tick Twitter stuff. Now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but even even talking about you know, like how

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Speaker 5: like things like unconscious bias and systemic racism cannot be mentioned, right?

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Speaker 5: Those are things that that specifically Ben Shapiro has like

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Speaker 5: led their charge on attacking and mainstream in mainstream like

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Speaker 5: political disagreement for a while now, like arguing that that

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Speaker 5: systemic racism is not a thing. Yeah, and now you

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Speaker 5: have orders specifically targeting systemic racism being used in AI outputs.

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Speaker 5: So part of what this executive order actually seeks to

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Speaker 5: do is make it so that the government can only

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Speaker 5: use large language models that are developed with the principles

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Speaker 5: of quote unquote truth seeking and ideological neutrality, requiring that

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Speaker 5: these are nonpartisan tools that do not manipulate responses in

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Speaker 5: favor of ideological dogmas such as DEI. In a f act,

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Speaker 5: the order seeks to use government contracts as bribes to

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Speaker 5: make companies ensure that their AIS are not woke, with

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration serving as the judge of what is

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Speaker 5: and isn't woke and threatening to pull contracts and force

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Speaker 5: companies to pay cancelation fees if their AI language model

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Speaker 5: is deemed to be too woke.

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Speaker 1: I never want to hear the word woke again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so fucking tired.

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Speaker 1: That's exhausting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Jim Crow for the for the computer. These

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Speaker 4: ways what this.

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Speaker 5: Is like as a part of this AI action plan,

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Speaker 5: Like they're like third or fourth main principle is quote

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Speaker 5: unquote upholding free speech in frontier models, updating federal procurement

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Speaker 5: guidelines to ensure that the government only contracts with frontier

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Speaker 5: large language model developers who ensure that their systems are

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Speaker 5: objective and free from top down ideological bias. That's the

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Speaker 5: opposite of free speech.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you.

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Speaker 5: We will like make sure that they only do this

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Speaker 5: specific thing that we want, and we're calling that upholding

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Speaker 5: free speech.

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Speaker 1: Just say you want Mecca Hitler Rock.

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Speaker 2: Just just he has groc has indeed said that.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know. So that's the first executive order

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Speaker 5: that I want to talk about. The next one is

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Speaker 5: less brain roddy and more horrific actually scary. Like I'm

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Speaker 5: sure the WOKEI one will turn out to be bad,

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Speaker 5: but this next one is like extremely extremely fascistic, and

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Speaker 5: I don't use that word lightly. This order is titled

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Speaker 5: ending crime and Disorder on America's Streets. I'll start by

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Speaker 5: quoting one paragraph quote Endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior, sudden confrontations,

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Speaker 5: and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe shifting homeless

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Speaker 5: individuals into long term institutional settings for humane treatment through

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Speaker 5: the appropriate use of civil commitment will restore public order.

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Speaker 5: The Attorney General shall prioritize available funding to support the

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Speaker 5: expansion of drug courts and mental health courts for individuals

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Speaker 5: for which such diversion serves public safety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is bad, this is yeah. Some again, people

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Speaker 4: like to like to use fascism a lot, but the yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is some Nazi shit like this, this is a

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Speaker 4: thing that the Nazis did.

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Speaker 5: Yep, let's get more into what this order outlines. So

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Speaker 5: this executive order directs the Attorney General to reverse quote

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Speaker 5: unquote judicial precedents prohibiting involuntary institutionalization and to seek the

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Speaker 5: quote termination of consent decrees that impede the United States

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Speaker 5: policy of encouraging the civil commitment of individuals with mental

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Speaker 5: illnesses who pose risks to themselves or the public, or

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Speaker 5: or are living on the streets. It starts but you know,

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Speaker 5: if someone's at risk to themselves, and then expands that

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Speaker 5: to just include everybody, if they're deemed to be at

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Speaker 5: risk to the public or just happen to be living outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you can now get put in what is essentially Trump's

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Speaker 5: new version of a scene asylums.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really scary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like we shouldn't not mention that a

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Speaker 4: lot of this shit, it's directly downstream from democratic mass

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Speaker 4: in large cities and especially in California, pushing frint voluntary

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Speaker 4: commitment of bunt house.

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Speaker 5: No, this is like Gavin Newsom's wet dream. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is Todd Gloria's shit.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, this is unfortunately very bipartisan when we are at

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Speaker 3: least talking about the political elite, and to a sizeable

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Speaker 3: extent when we're talking about the electorate. Right, Yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is an issue on which the left has catastrophically lost,

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Speaker 3: just like immigration. Unlike immigration, it is not an issue

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Speaker 3: in which we're starting to see the pendulum swing back.

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Speaker 3: Because yeah, number one, I mean, I guess we have

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Speaker 3: not yet seen the kind of violence deployed against the

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Speaker 3: House US by agents of the state at scale in

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Speaker 3: public that we're seeing right now on migrants. Right, Like,

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Speaker 3: there's not a federal agency going to war on the houseless.

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Speaker 3: It's the same kind of islence that's existed previously. But

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Speaker 3: also like there's a huge amount of propaganda against this,

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Speaker 3: Like every City Business Association, you know, is constantly complaint

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Speaker 3: because they see this as like, oh, this is why

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Speaker 3: people don't want to come into stores anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's the houseless, you know, it's not fucking Amazon or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's absolute bullshit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean some of that might change, though, because

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Speaker 5: Trump is seeking to mobilize federal resources to start doing enforcement. Yes,

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Speaker 5: the order direction Trump's cabinet to be giving grants to

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Speaker 5: state and local governments to help enact civil commitment and

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Speaker 5: institutional treatment, with the priority of grants being directed to

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Speaker 5: states and municipalities that already have and enforce strong anti

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Speaker 5: homeless policies. The order allows for emergency federal law enforcement

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Speaker 5: assistance funds to be used for encampment removal, and directs

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Speaker 5: the Secretary of Health and Human Services to remove federal

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Speaker 5: funding from quote unquote harm reduction or quote unquote safe

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Speaker 5: consumption programs, as well as quote ending support for housing

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Speaker 5: first policies that deprioritize accountability and fail to promote treatment, recovery,

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Speaker 5: and self sufficiency. So not only are they increasing enforcement

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Speaker 5: capacity to apprehend mentally ill or houses people and put

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Speaker 5: them into institutional facilities, but they are cutting all federal

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Speaker 5: funds from programs that are deemed to be harm reduction

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Speaker 5: or safe consumption, which are programs that have been shown

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Speaker 5: to work across the globe, as well as ending housing

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Speaker 5: first policies, which is what most homeless advocates actually push

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Speaker 5: for as a way to solve homelessness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because there evidence based and they work.

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Speaker 5: The order also requires that recipients of federal housing and

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Speaker 5: Homelessness assistance to force participants who suffer from substance abuse, disorder,

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Speaker 5: or serious mental illnesses into quote unquote treatment or mental

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Speaker 5: health services as a condition of participation unquote, and that

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Speaker 5: the recipients of these petrol funds are now required to

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Speaker 5: collect quote unquote health related information from everyone who has

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Speaker 5: provided assistance, and is required to share that data with

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Speaker 5: law enforcement quote in circumstances permitted by law.

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Speaker 1: Don't love that. That's horrible. Yeah, that's really just not

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Speaker 1: aligning one across.

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Speaker 5: That's so scary, yeap, the weaponization of health data for

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Speaker 5: law enforcement, yes services.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And unfortunately it's exactly the thing that like

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Speaker 3: for years, advocates for mental health care have been trying

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Speaker 3: to get across, like, hey, it's okay to go in

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Speaker 3: to seek treatment like this is stuff isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be weaponized against you, And.

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Speaker 4: That's not true anymore.

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Speaker 3: Like the degree to which, outside of the actual danger

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Speaker 3: of law enforcement getting this data and using it, the

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Speaker 3: setback to mental health care to people feeling having any

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Speaker 3: chance of feeling safe to pursue it is like incomprehensible,

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Speaker 3: Like it's so bad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And not only are they seeking to go after users,

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Speaker 5: the recipients of federal housing and Homelessness assistance that operate

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Speaker 5: drug injection sites or quote unquote safe conception sites will

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Speaker 5: be reviewed by the Attorney General for violation of federal

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Speaker 5: law and bring civil or criminal action in appropriate cases.

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Speaker 5: Literally going after people who try to create environments where

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Speaker 5: people who use drugs can do so in a method

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Speaker 5: that will not kill them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people who are handing out clean needles, you know,

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Speaker 3: safe injection sites, that sort of thing, any kind of

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Speaker 3: harm reduction.

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Speaker 5: Which will now be under investigation by the Attorney General.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which is going to get people killed. It's

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Speaker 3: going to imprison people who have been doing nothing but

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Speaker 3: helping other people. Like it's just comprehensively a nightmare.

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Speaker 4: It's going to lead to more communicable diseases. Spreading that

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Speaker 4: we don't like that some of these safe injection sites

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Speaker 4: have prevented spreading right, needle exchanges have prevented when we

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Speaker 4: combine it. R of case, stuff like this is going

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Speaker 4: to be a made to public health issue on top

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Speaker 4: of everything else, So.

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Speaker 5: On top of expanding drug courts and mental health courts.

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Speaker 5: I will will end with one final quote from the order. Quote,

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Speaker 5: they will ensure that homeless individuals arrested for federal crimes

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Speaker 5: are evaluated to determine whether they are sexually dangerous persons

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Speaker 5: and certified accordingly for civil commitment. And finally, Trump's Cabinet

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Speaker 5: is directed to quote assess federal resources to determine whether

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Speaker 5: they may be directed towards ensuring that detainees with serious

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Speaker 5: mental illnesses are not released into the public because of

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Speaker 5: the lack of forensic bed capacity at appropriate local, state

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Speaker 5: and federal jails or hospitals. Unquote, it remains to be

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Speaker 5: seen this scale in which this will be implemented. Usually

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Speaker 5: these orders have a series of months in which the

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Speaker 5: cabinet members will then propose actual implementation policies that then

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Speaker 5: can be implemented across the country. But certainly is in

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Speaker 5: the order itself is incredibly worrying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, we probably shouldn't let this guy become president again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, do you know what we should do right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, ads, just good to ads. Sure have

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Speaker 2: fun with that.

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Speaker 8: Everyone talking of shouldn't have let that guy become president again.

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons that I did become president again

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Speaker 8: is because the Democrats were incapable of fielding a candidate

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Speaker 8: who could say genocide bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That might have helped.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a fucking low bar and it failed

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Speaker 4: to clear it.

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Speaker 2: It might have helped.

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Speaker 5: It might have helped. According to new data from New York,

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Speaker 5: where two thirds or more of New York Democratic primary

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Speaker 5: voters agree with Zora Mondomny's positions on Israel and arresting

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Speaker 5: Benjamina Yahoo, and the fifty seven percent say that they

690
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Speaker 5: might oppose Democrats who do not endorse Momdani for mayor. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: because so it seems like, yeah, maybe the Democrats should

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Speaker 5: have done something about that.

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Speaker 2: It seems like the majority of their base wants that. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those.

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Speaker 3: I always hate it when people are like, try to

696
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Speaker 3: reduce the loss to one thing, because there's a number

697
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Speaker 3: of but like one. Yeah, like Michigan. We can probably

698
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Speaker 3: blame the loss of Michigan on Kamala's failures to call

699
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Speaker 3: Gaza a genocide or to take any kind of a

700
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Speaker 3: stance separating her from Biden on that matter. Right, Like,

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Speaker 3: there's a decent amount of evidence to suggest that maybe

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Speaker 3: other states, you know, other things went wrong, but like this,

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Speaker 3: that was a significant reason why the Democrats failed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look at look at the way if we're about

705
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Speaker 4: to discuss how the Hirety Canada, while we have been

706
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Speaker 4: recording this is announced that it is joining the UK

707
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Speaker 4: and France and plans to conditionally recognize a Palestinian state. Yeah,

708
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Speaker 4: and the reason that is happening is because Israel's genocide

709
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Speaker 4: in Gaza is continuing. July has been the deadliest month

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Speaker 4: for the past year and a half. One person has

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Speaker 4: died every twelve minutes. One hundred and ninety nine people

712
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Speaker 4: have died every day. Four hundred and one of them

713
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: have been injured. We saw this week nineteen people died

714
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Speaker 4: of starvation. None of these people are dying because of

715
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Speaker 4: a famine that's caused by the weather or some other

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Speaker 4: natural cause. Right, this is entirely a choice, and it's

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Speaker 4: made by people in the Israeli state, very chiefly by

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Speaker 4: Benjamin net Yahoo to quote Netyaho. Israel has been forced

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Speaker 4: to allow some aid into the strip, but only a

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Speaker 4: tiny fraction of the required aid has made its way

721
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Speaker 4: in One in five children in Gaza is suffering from

722
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Speaker 4: acute Mault nutrition. That figure has tripled since last month,

723
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Speaker 4: according to the World Health Organization. Not only is there

724
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Speaker 4: not enough food, but there are also not enough medical

725
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Speaker 4: supplies to treat people with acute Mault nutrition. Right, when

726
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Speaker 4: somebody is acutely malnurried, you can't just like hand them

727
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Speaker 4: a sandwich and fix a problem.

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Speaker 3: This was a major problem when liberating the concentration camps

729
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Speaker 3: at the end of World War Two. American soldiers would

730
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Speaker 3: see these people who were just as I mean, can

731
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Speaker 3: you've seen pictures of Auschwitz survivors and stuff and just

732
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Speaker 3: act with immediate human compassion and give them whatever they wanted? Right,

733
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Speaker 3: And then people got sick and died because you literally can't.

734
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Speaker 2: You have to.

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Speaker 3: There's a very specific way when someone is that far

736
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Speaker 3: gone that you have to slowly renourish them whatever, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Refeed them, ensure that they are maintaining adequate hydration. Levels

738
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Speaker 4: right therapeutic formula for babies that are malnourished.

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Speaker 3: It's more it's I think there's this like mystic understanding

740
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Speaker 3: that like, oh, starving people are just hungry, so you

741
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Speaker 3: just feed them and like past a certain point, No,

742
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Speaker 3: they're not just hungry.

743
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Speaker 2: Something else is going.

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Speaker 4: Their bodies are failing and beginning to die, and that

745
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Speaker 4: requires medical attention because they have a very serious medical condition.

746
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Speaker 4: Those medical supplies are a lot getting into Gaza. The

747
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Speaker 4: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification generally referred to as the

748
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Speaker 4: IPC is student alert for what it calls quote the

749
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Speaker 4: worst case scenario of famine in Gaza this week. In

750
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Speaker 4: their alert, they said, quote, over twenty thousand children have

751
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Speaker 4: been admitted for treatment for a cute malnutrition between April

752
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Speaker 4: and mid July, with more than three thousand severely malnourished.

753
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Speaker 4: Hospitals have reported a rapid increase in hunger related deaths

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Speaker 4: of children under five years of age, with at least

755
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Speaker 4: sixteen reported deaths since the seventeenth of July. That's not

756
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Speaker 4: really much that I think we can say about this

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Speaker 4: other than that it's absolutely despicable and disgusting. As a

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Speaker 4: result of Israel carrying out a genocide in the open.

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Speaker 4: The UK, France and Canada have indicated, as I said,

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Speaker 4: they're willing to recognize a Palestinian state with some conditions.

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Speaker 4: Statehood will not feed these children, rightly, these people will

762
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Speaker 4: be dead long before the state is recognizing as something changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole recognizing statehood for me is less meaningful

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Speaker 3: because I care about states than it is as a

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Speaker 3: symbol of the fact that France, you know, and the

766
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Speaker 3: UK and an increasing number of nations who were not

767
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Speaker 3: like imagining them ten years ago, like taking the stance

768
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Speaker 3: of being as critical of Israel as they are would

769
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Speaker 3: have been a stretch, right, would have been difficult to comprehend.

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Speaker 3: And I think what it really does showcase is how

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Speaker 3: rapidly international opinion has changed and the very dangerous situation

772
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Speaker 3: Israel has gotten itself into where I don't think it

773
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Speaker 3: is a matter of immediate danger because the weapons aren't

774
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Speaker 3: going to stop flowing and no one is going to

775
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Speaker 3: stop them militarily, but they are sabotaging the ground underneath themselves,

776
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Speaker 3: and I do think I mean, maybe this is me

777
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Speaker 3: being unreasonably hopeful here, but yeah, like this is I

778
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: think they're setting up their own downfall here, you know,

779
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Speaker 3: not quick enough to save any of these lives, but like,

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Speaker 3: this is not a good position for them to be

781
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Speaker 3: in a country that's this dependent upon foreign trade, upon

782
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Speaker 3: foreign weapons, upon foreign support for its survival. Like they're

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Speaker 3: sabotaging themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're becoming a paria state, far too slowly given

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Speaker 4: what's happened over the last couple of years, But it's happening.

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Speaker 4: I'll just finish, I guess by saying that Israel has

787
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Speaker 4: agreed to make tactical pauses, which is I don't know

788
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Speaker 4: what that really means, to allow it to enter the

789
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Speaker 4: IPC report suggesting media actions to protect life, but it

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Speaker 4: concludes a quote, none of this is possible unless there

791
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Speaker 4: is a cease fire, and there is no sign of

792
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Speaker 4: that in the immediate future. Let's talk about immigration, shall

793
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: we something something that is also pretty much a downer.

794
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Speaker 4: I guess the State Department is rolled back it's visa

795
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Speaker 4: interview waiver. This was a pandemic era thing, right that

796
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Speaker 4: people didn't have to come into the consulate and actually

797
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Speaker 4: do an interview with a physical human for their visa.

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Speaker 4: This will result in massive delays at consulates around the

799
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Speaker 4: world and will mean that visas are inaccessible for some

800
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: people entirely right because getting to a consulate alone is

801
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: a barrier for them, right or another expense, and it's

802
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: a risky expense if you think you might be turned down.

803
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Speaker 4: The government has been canceling hearings, according to NBC Miami

804
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: of people in the Everglade Detention Facility AKAA Alligator Alcatraz

805
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: right it makes are also being denied the right to

806
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Speaker 4: meet with their attorneys. The government asserted that everyone there

807
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 4: has a final removal order. However, at least one attorney

808
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: with two clients there the NBC Miami spoke to said

809
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Speaker 4: that this was not the case for their clients. They

810
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: don't have final removal orders, but nonetheless they are not

811
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Speaker 4: able to access their due process rights. There is a

812
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Speaker 4: lawsuitanwn this and many other issues at the center that

813
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Speaker 4: will be held on the eighteenth of August. Talking of removals,

814
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Speaker 4: we are beginning to see first hand accounts from the

815
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Speaker 4: Venezuelan people who were detained as Sicotte. Two hundred and

816
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: thirty Venezuelan detainees there were traded with Venezuela in a

817
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Speaker 4: three way trade for the US citidents detained in Venezuela. Right,

818
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Speaker 4: three way trade. I mean very clearly the people in

819
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Speaker 4: Seccott were really under US custard. Yes, right, so it's

820
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Speaker 4: just a workaround for a direct trade.

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Speaker 2: Well, or at least I mean they were under the

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Speaker 2: custody of a US contractor, right, Like, that's I think

823
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Speaker 2: the accurate way to describe this.

824
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I think that's probably yeah. Yeah, Like the

825
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Speaker 4: US had control over their comings and goings, as it's

826
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Speaker 4: demonstrated by this prisoner exchange.

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Speaker 5: Right.

828
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Speaker 4: These reports indicate that the plane landed and immediately Salvatory

829
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Speaker 4: and police entered and beat the men so civily that

830
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Speaker 4: flight attendants on the plane cried and agent told them

831
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Speaker 4: in Spanish quote, this will teach you to enter our

832
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Speaker 4: country illegally. Many of the men, I should point out,

833
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: did not enter the country between ports of entry or

834
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Speaker 4: without inspection. They entered via CBP one, the only legal

835
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Speaker 4: way for them to claim asylum at that time. The

836
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: men said they were beaten, kicked, and shot with rubber pellets.

837
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Speaker 4: They were never allowed outside, and guards would mock them

838
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Speaker 4: and refuse to tell them the time when they asked.

839
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Speaker 4: Several of them mentioned a fellow detainee who began cutting himself,

840
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Speaker 4: writing messages on the wall in his own blood. Those

841
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 4: messages include, stop hitting us, we are fathers, we are brothers,

842
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 4: we are innocent people. Shortly before their release, they say

843
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 4: they were treated better, allowed to shower and shave, and

844
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: given medicine. When one of the men returned, his neighbors

845
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: clapped together to raise twenty bucks for his mother to

846
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Speaker 4: decorate the house and make him a meal of chicken,

847
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: rice and plantains. That one was particularly hard for me

848
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Speaker 4: to read for some reason, because that specific meal is

849
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Speaker 4: one I've eaten with the people within carakas the people

850
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Speaker 4: I was with in the Darian Gap. Right, it just

851
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: seemed very personal to me. They also noted that many

852
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: of the men well detained, parade and read the Bible.

853
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 4: They use food packaging and even food to make dice

854
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: and playing cards to play games. The things that I

855
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 4: read in this are actually like, really heartbreaking, because I've

856
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: seen folks from Venezuela go through really horrific things. Right,

857
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Speaker 4: they were in the Daryan Gap when I was in

858
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Speaker 4: a Darian Gap. I've seen him in outdoor attention. I've

859
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: also spent time living in Venezuela and throughout that like people,

860
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Speaker 4: Venezuelan people have shown incredible capacity to continue to smile

861
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Speaker 4: and have joy and have a joke and have a laugh.

862
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: So like, seeing these men so thoroughly beaten down by

863
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Speaker 4: the Salvadarrian state is really hard. I'd encourage you all

864
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Speaker 4: to read the pro public apiece, which I will link

865
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Speaker 4: in the show notes. But yeah, it's yeah, it's as

866
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Speaker 4: bad as we expected it to be. Right, I don't

867
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Speaker 4: think for a minute that else Albert or expected them

868
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Speaker 4: to leave. So it treats them like I'm sure it

869
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: treats everybody else there. Yeah, right, Like that's that's that's

870
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Speaker 4: what you have to assume. And that's why it's important

871
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Speaker 4: not to limit the discussion or the anger to the

872
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Speaker 4: case of you know, the Garcia and you know this

873
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 4: couple of people who are quote unquote obviously.

874
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Speaker 2: In essence individual people.

875
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like nobody should be in Seacott and quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden's right, you know we should. We should invade

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Speaker 3: El Salvador if that's what it takes to close this

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Speaker 3: place down. Yeah, like fuck them, like it's it's I mean,

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Speaker 3: or someone should invade us. I don't fucking know whatever

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Speaker 3: it takes to stop this shit, but like it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's inhumane. Like a world where this suxists is

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Speaker 4: not a world we should want. No, I guess maybe

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Speaker 4: and with some good news and a little fundraiser if

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Speaker 4: people want to donate good news, is it. A judge

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Speaker 4: has ordered the release of Kilmar Abrego. I guess he

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Speaker 4: prefers to just use the first part of his last

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Speaker 4: name Spanish. Last names come from your mother and father.

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Speaker 4: Some people use both on PBS one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I hadn't got that. Actually, thank you, James, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you are welcome.

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Speaker 4: Judge Enis ordered that he be returned to Maryland, not

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Speaker 4: be immediately detained by ICE on his release, and the

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Speaker 4: seventy two hours notice be given if they try to

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Speaker 4: remove him. I have seen reporting that says she has

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Speaker 4: ordered that he can't be deported. That's not true. She

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Speaker 4: ordered that he have his due process rights if they

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Speaker 4: attempt to remove him, right. I've also seen reporting that

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Speaker 4: he is like out and about on the street. That

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Speaker 4: is not true. A Tennessee judge did deny the government's

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Speaker 4: attempts to detain him while he awaits criminal trial, but

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Speaker 4: at the request of his legal team. His release has

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Speaker 4: been stayed by thirty days. I believe this is to

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Speaker 4: prevent ice grabbing him and deporting him immediately when he's

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Speaker 4: released or thereafter, right until they got their clarification from judges. Genis.

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Speaker 4: This comes after Trump administration or the DOJ has failed

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Speaker 4: to persuade any for federal judges that he was a

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Speaker 4: leader of MS thirteen. His lawyers have also asked a

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Speaker 4: judge to stop DHS posting about this and prejudicing a

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Speaker 4: potential jury pool. So, at least in this one case, right,

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Speaker 4: this man is moving closer to being back with his family.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about a fundraiser and then we can finish up. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So I want to talk about Hose Juron and I

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Speaker 4: will just read here from the fundraiser page. Jose was

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Speaker 4: taken from his family and detained O Timeser Detention Center

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Speaker 4: over thirteen months ago. Like many friends, parents and siblings

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Speaker 4: in prison at OMDC, Josse has received no medical care

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Speaker 4: despite having concerning symptoms for colon cancer. Visibly in pain.

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Speaker 4: During his previous hearing, Jose showed the judge Ajar with

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Speaker 4: one point five to two inches of blood that he

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Speaker 4: reported had come out of his rectum. No one should

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Speaker 4: have to supper these indignities. If you would like to

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Speaker 4: support Josse, you can go to give butter dot com

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Speaker 4: slash free Horse Jiron. That's f E E J O

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Speaker 4: S E G I A O N.

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Speaker 5: I think that's all for us. We reported the news.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, We reported the news.

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