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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, I'm joined by Mark Drury, or a masterclass

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Speaker 1: on all things related to wind and its impact on

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Speaker 1: hunting mature bucks. All right, welcome back to the Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and their

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Speaker 1: Camo for Conservation Initiative. Today we have an absolute gem

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Speaker 1: of an episode. I'm joined by the one and only

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Speaker 1: the mad Scientist himself, Mark Drury. Some of our very

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Speaker 1: best episodes of this podcast ever over the long history

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Speaker 1: of this show have been with Mark Drury. He is

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Speaker 1: a wealth of information. He's a terrific educator and communicator

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Speaker 1: about deer and deer hunting. If you haven't listened to

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Speaker 1: our past episodes with him, go ahead and do that.

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Speaker 1: If you want to have a true, deep, mind blowing

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Speaker 1: white tail experience leading up to your next hunt, go

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Speaker 1: and binge listen to some of our past episodes. Episode

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Speaker 1: sixty three, which was our first one with him about

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Speaker 1: predicting deer movement. I've listened to it so many times

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Speaker 1: and had so many people reference it that I can

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Speaker 1: just think of it off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: Episode sixty three is one we have a follow up

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Speaker 1: to that about predicting deer movement. I think that's called

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Speaker 1: like a master class on predicting deer movement. That one's

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Speaker 1: maybe even better because it just gets right into the

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Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of that. We did an amazing episode

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Speaker 1: recently about patterning deer. We did another really good one

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Speaker 1: about everything he thinks about in the Moment of truth

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Speaker 1: and right after shots. So just go and google Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt Mark Dreury and listen to those past episodes

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Speaker 1: and then, or maybe right after what we're about to

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Speaker 1: do today, listen to this one, because this is on

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Speaker 1: that same level. Today is a masterclass with Mark Dreury

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Speaker 1: on win and there's maybe nothing more important to hunting

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Speaker 1: mature deer, hunting deer of any age or type than

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Speaker 1: win because their number one survival tool is their nose.

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Speaker 1: If you can't beat their nose, you can't kill them.

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Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. Today we discuss exactly

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Speaker 1: how Mark Drury uses his understanding of wind and a

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Speaker 1: deer's nose to close the distance and fail tags. So

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Speaker 1: we are going to ask him, or or I do

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Speaker 1: ask him, so many ridiculously nitty gritty questions about the

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Speaker 1: impacts of thermals aerometric pressure, how that impacts wind and thermals.

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Speaker 1: How deer use thermals, how we as hunters can use thermals,

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Speaker 1: How terrain features impact thermals, How ditches and rivers and

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Speaker 1: creeks and ponds impact wind and thermals. We talk through

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Speaker 1: how deer use the wind to make decisions about where

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Speaker 1: they bed, how they approach their bed, how they decide

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Speaker 1: go feed in the evening, how they use wind during

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Speaker 1: the rut, how they use wind toscent check, how Mark

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Speaker 1: thinks about all of this when choosing where to hunt

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Speaker 1: on any given night, or how to account for the

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Speaker 1: risk of being winded when deciding where to hunt. This

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Speaker 1: is fascinating stuff. If you are a white tailed geek

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Speaker 1: like I am, this episode is gonna be right up

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Speaker 1: your alley. I'm just gonna get right into it. I

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Speaker 1: think we should jump into this episode as fast as

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Speaker 1: possible because it is a banger. It's full of information.

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Speaker 1: It will help you on your very next hunt, I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you so. Thanks for tuning in. Enjoy this chat

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Speaker 1: with Mark Drury. Make sure to go check out those

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Speaker 1: past episodes that we did with them. They are terrific

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Speaker 1: as well, and best of luck on your next hunt.

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Speaker 1: All right with me on the line now is the

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Speaker 1: one and only mad scientist, mister Mark Drury. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show.

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Speaker 2: Mark. I'm Mark. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm great. I gotta tell you, I'm very appreciative of

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Speaker 1: the fact that you made time for this amidst the

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Speaker 1: first big cold front of the year, So thank you

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Speaker 2: You know, there's some benefits to not hunting, a lot

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Speaker 2: we had a late night, as I indicated via my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first cold front it turned up pretty

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Speaker 2: We went with three different crews last night, one in Iowa,

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Speaker 1: So well, it's especially sweet. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: Case in point, we had three scripts last night, all

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Speaker 2: So there's still that that numbers game with white tailt hunting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the truth. So so many people have been

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Speaker 1: So you know you hunted that spot you said four

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Speaker 1: So so you know, when it comes to stretches where

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Speaker 1: If we sit this five lousy days in a row,

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Speaker 2: Had we been having poor luck with deer blowing and

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Speaker 1: And I think that sometimes people assume that thermals are

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Speaker 2: I think, first of all, understanding thermals as as the

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Speaker 2: and barometric pressure also helps that accentuate them going up

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Speaker 2: That's high pressure high pressure, I think there is a

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Speaker 2: On a low pressure day, it might only be ten

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Speaker 2: but it's just in my mind, I know that it

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Speaker 2: It's not nearly as distinct either like low pressure day

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Speaker 1: So do you think is that part of why you

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Speaker 2: I think it kind of goes hand in hand, you know.

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Speaker 1: So is there ever a time when you will set

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? If you're up in topography high on the ridge

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Speaker 2: Is it just it alleviates a lot of problems for

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it matters a heck of a

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Speaker 1: What do you think about like the thermal effect in

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Speaker 2: Same of the morning, when it's warming up, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Those thermals are heavy. That's the one thing about a

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Speaker 1: So can you walk me through how you think about

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Speaker 2: As a general rule of thumb, of a morning, I

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Speaker 2: I will hunt low intopography, but my preference is to

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Speaker 2: You know, it's more about probabilities and trying to put

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Speaker 2: B we had the thermal effect pushing it away from

436
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: this ridgetop where he was. He was walking based on

437
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: last year's trail pictures and it worked out quite well,

438
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 2: although the deer gave them a curveball and came out.

439
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: Was walking this long ridgetop that we had a green

440
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: field on, and then all of a sudden cold front.

441
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: He's been walking that ridge in the green warm weather.

442
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: Cold front, he did a yui and went straight into

443
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: this beanfield down the bottom. The colder weather green turned

444
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: the grain and luckily he was within range of the

445
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 2: blind when he made when he threw him that curveball,

446
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: and Wade was able to make a great shot on him. So,

447
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: and I was sitting there last night. I was in

448
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: a bottom field on a green field, and I told Taylor.

449
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I just wonder if I didn't make

450
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 2: a mistake given the some verity of this coal front,

451
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: and I should have sat grain, which is another general

452
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: rule of thumb of mine. When it's cold, I sit

453
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: close to grain. When it's warm, I sit close to green.

454
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: And again it's not always or never, it's just something

455
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: I've seen tendencies where they'll do that, and luckily Wade

456
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: and Kundall got one. But you know, we sat that

457
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: greenfield and we saw a decent movement of no age.

458
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: What do you think about setting up on small depressions,

459
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: counting on that thermal drop like a ditch or a creek.

460
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: Love it.

461
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: So that's something you sometimes will do.

462
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: I do it a lot, But I will say this,

463
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll fool you in what those thermals will do

464
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: once they get into that depression. They'll snake around and

465
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: come back out and whatnot. And it really can only

466
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: be proven or disproven through time. In other words, I

467
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: think this is going to work, but boy, until you

468
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: sit there through a ver i different temperatures, wind speeds,

469
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: leaves on, leaves off, time of the year, you really

470
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I talk a lot about wind scouting, where

471
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: you're also thermal scouting. When you're out there, what exactly

472
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: is happening to my win? And I'm a wind checker

473
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: maniac man. I'm constantly checking it, constantly checking it, and

474
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: it freaks me out when I see it doing all

475
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: these weird different things. And I don't think you could

476
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: check your wind enough when you're in a hunting situation.

477
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Whether you're on your way to the stand, whether you're

478
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: sitting in the stand, whether you're trying to get out

479
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: of the stand, know where it's going because oftentimes what

480
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: you feel isn't necessarily what it's doing. So through time

481
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: you find those little spots you're like, holy cow, this

482
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: worked on an east southeast wind at ten mile an

483
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: hour with a high of fifty degrees and pressure above thirty.

484
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 2: You might go there the next time leaves off pressure lower,

485
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: different wind speed, and all of a sudden, it doesn't

486
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: work for you. So you can only learn that through

487
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: time and taking good notes and remembering the conditions that

488
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: it that you had when it worked versus didn't work,

489
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: and avoid those in the future.

490
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: He speaking of you just mentioned, oh, with such and

491
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: such barometric pressure, it worked back to what we were talking

492
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: about just a minute ago, which was the when high bear.

493
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: When bear metric pressure is high, it will accentuate thermals.

494
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: Have you found there's like a threshold, like how high

495
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: is high for that to be the case? Have you

496
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: seen anything we can make our well it's over thirty

497
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: point two, or if it's over thirty or anything.

498
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: Barometric pressure is relative to the time of the year.

499
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: This time of the year, twenty nine point nine five

500
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: is pretty high, you know, you get to December twenty nine,

501
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: twenty nine point nine five is not overly high. You

502
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 2: know that winter air just brings in much higher pressure,

503
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: and I think they almost have an internal system that

504
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: reacts to the time of the year. I mean, clearly

505
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: their coats change from now till December, you know, and

506
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: pressure that's high now is like twenty nine point ninety

507
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: five to thirty point one, thirty point one five. You

508
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: get up thirty point two to thirty point three, you're

509
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: really high, whereas in December you might consistently get thirty

510
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: point one to thirty thirty point two five, you know,

511
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you get this day

512
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 2: where it's thirty point six to thirty point seven and

513
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: it's like the deer walking around with their head about

514
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: to explode. But you do get those wild days. We're

515
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: really really high barometric pressure, So it's not the same

516
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: throughout the year this time of the year. I love

517
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: twenty talking about the early season year September and up

518
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: through mid October twenty nine point nine five, thirty point

519
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: five thirty point one right there is a real sweet

520
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: spot for optimization of deer movement. In my opinion, I

521
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: see a lot of deer on their feet in that

522
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: pressure range.

523
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: So one last thermal ish related curiosity have I guess

524
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: I want to confirm some of my thoughts would be

525
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: the impacts of water, so standing water or moving water.

526
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: So one thing I've always thought is is if I'm

527
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: in a situation where I have low and variable winds,

528
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: I've always thought about trying to set up if there's

529
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: a creek or a river or something that if I

530
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: were set up close to that water, I could have

531
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: a thermal that might drop into that water or into

532
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: that creek or river, and that the movement of that water,

533
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: whatever the direction the river or creek is moving, would

534
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: likely suck my wind down along with that. Is there

535
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: any have you seen that? Have you experienced that? I've

536
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: seen that in some experiences.

537
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: I've also seen it play the opposite effect that I

538
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: thought I wanted it to do, because with that river

539
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: comes aflow and almost a flow of thermalization and wind.

540
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed that along a river like you

541
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: can stand next to it without any wind, yet you

542
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: feel a flow that the water is pushing these thermals

543
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: one way or the other. So again it would only

544
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: come through time that you would you would learn whether

545
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: that works or doesn't work. The other thing that I

546
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: notice around water ponds or creeks, or especially if it's

547
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: it's reasonably deep, you have a much more accentuated change

548
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: in pressure, so that really cool cool water. Will look

549
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: at a pond in the morning that's warm on a

550
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: cool morning, there's fog coming up off of it, right,

551
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: and yet you don't see that fog anywhere else. So

552
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: the temperature of that water can perhaps help you, but

553
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: it could also hurt you because it's different thermal activity

554
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: in and around that that body of temperature versus the

555
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: grass or the ground or rocks or trees, if that

556
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: makes sense. So they can be trickier around water. They

557
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: may be tricky to the point that it helps you

558
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: more because it's doing something very consistently, taking your thermals

559
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: down into a creek and moving them on to your example.

560
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: But then again it may have a flow to it

561
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: that curls it back up on top, and a deer

562
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: gets you way up when that you didn't anticipate, you know, Yeah,

563
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: that's a tricky thermal pool in and around water, it's

564
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: different than land.

565
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Is there any other terrain feature or habitat feature that

566
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: has a unique thermal effect I'm wondering, like a very sunny,

567
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: open hillside versus a dark, cool forest. Do you ever

568
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: have like a different strategy about how you're thinking about

569
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: winding thermals based on those two sets or something else

570
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: like that?

571
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, again, based on the temperature of the earth. If

572
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: it's cooler, as you start to have evening thermals dropping down,

573
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: it's not going to be as accentuated as if it

574
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: was a hot, open area and those thermals go down dustly.

575
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: You'll also see a touch of a delay in the

576
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: thermals cooling that area off. Do you ever notice if

577
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: you're hunting a bottom and you're walking out of it

578
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: and it's really cool down in that bottom and about

579
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: halfway up that hill, boom, it's like a ten degree

580
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: difference in temperature, Like it just takes much longer for

581
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: that stuff that was that was warmed by the sun

582
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: all day to cool off as opposed to the shaded

583
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: bottom where the tree tops were. That's just an example,

584
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: So again I keep going back to you only learn

585
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: those things through experience. As to whether something's going to

586
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: work or not. And I've had spots that I stopped

587
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: hunting because my thermals would get me on the way out,

588
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: like I would hunt a bottom and I'm trying to

589
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: get out of a steep hill. Yet this thermal's pouring

590
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: in and alerting the deer that I just escaped the

591
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: field from, because it's pushing my thermal down the hill

592
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: from the top that's still warm, whereas in the bottom

593
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: and it all equalized and my set was on the ground.

594
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: Then I started my ascent out of there, and boom,

595
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: a new set of thermals is pushing me down into

596
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: where they just came from. So I've had a few

597
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: stands like that that I just quit hunting, especially in

598
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: the early season.

599
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: With all this in mind, like all these effects that

600
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: the that the thermals are having on where our scent goes,

601
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories that hunters have about how

602
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: deer might be using this. What do you think about

603
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: how deer are using thermals to their advantage? Have you

604
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: seen like, hey, they're oftentimes going to travel to this

605
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: area or in this way because of thermals. Are there

606
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: any kind of rules that.

607
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: You've seen absolutely. I think when you see a deer

608
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: circling down wind to check out a calling position, or

609
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: perhaps they caught movement in the tree and like, what

610
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: is it, I'm going to go check that they may

611
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: have you ever had a deer catch you bicircling you

612
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: know what she's doing or he's doing. He's trying to

613
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: get my position. Yet they don't reach your downwind side,

614
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: but they still catch you.

615
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: They went down Sure it's happened.

616
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: They went down thermal as opposed to downwind. So yes,

617
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: they use it as a very powerful force for them.

618
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: If you catch them of an evening is when most

619
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: of this happens. Of a morning. If it's a decent,

620
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, warm up day, that stuff's going up, and

621
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: they have a much tougher time catching you. When you've

622
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: got a nice day that's warming. Of a morning, they

623
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: can circle you and circle you because they saw a

624
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: movement in the tree, and yet they can't detect you

625
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: because everything's going straight up. But evening's a little trickier.

626
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: But they will down thermal you as quick as they

627
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: will downwind you, So yes, they use them to their advantage.

628
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: What about this is kind of getting to some of

629
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: the other ways that deer are relating to wind in general.

630
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: But there's some you know, anecdotes around deer going to

631
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: low spots like what some people refer to the thermal

632
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: hubs these days. Imagine like a low bottom with a

633
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: bunch of points dropping down into it. The idea being

634
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: during the rut a buck and cruise down in some

635
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: place like this where all the scent pools from all

636
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: the ridges and points around it, and that's a place

637
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: to very quickly scent check larger areas or something like that.

638
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Have you seen deer using that, you know, thermals in

639
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: that kind of way before.

640
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. I mean I don't get into the weeds

641
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: on it quite to that degree, you know, to where

642
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: sometimes I think, and I think the advent of all

643
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: the different mapping programs out there on X or deer

644
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Cast or hunt Stand, whichever the once. Sometimes I think

645
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: that off season is a long period of time, and

646
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: we spend so much time creating theories in our mind

647
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: off of the three D topography and everything, but in

648
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: reality it might not necessarily be that way once you

649
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: get out there and watch the deer's activity. So I

650
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: don't know that I've ever witnessed that per se in

651
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: terms of where I processed it and thought, well, that

652
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: buck just went to the bottom where all these points

653
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: came together, because that was a thermal pool. You know,

654
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: perhaps he did right. But one thing's for sure. As

655
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: the earth cools down and he's low and topography, he's

656
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna get more scenting done than if he's

657
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: up on a ridge.

658
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some more wind theories. Then

659
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: there's some more theories, and there's a lot about wind.

660
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: You have some that I've heard you share over the years.

661
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to review a few of those. Sure changes

662
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: in wind direction. We just had one that happened where

663
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of south winds and we just

664
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: got a big north, a big shift. How have you

665
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: seen changes in wind direction impacted deer population in their movement?

666
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, again, it goes back to what I was talking about.

667
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: A lot of these things accompany other weather factors. So

668
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: it's cold front and we went from south to a north.

669
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: So was it the wind direction switch? Or was it

670
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: the ushering in of high pressure? Was it the wind

671
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: speed switch? A lot of these things work collectively. What

672
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: I do notice with regularity is where deer bed based

673
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: on wind direction, and especially with wind speed. I always

674
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: think back to a field I used to have on

675
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: this giant ridge in Iowa, and it was about the

676
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: size of I'm gonna say, three or four football fields together.

677
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: It was a big field, five acres. It ran north

678
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: to south as true as it could possibly run, and

679
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: I had a blind on one end and a blind

680
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: on the other with access in both ways. That worked

681
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: quite well. But when the wind was out of the

682
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: north and I was on the south end of the field,

683
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: all the deer were always on the north end of

684
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: the field. And then when the wind was opposite and

685
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I was on the other end of the field, they

686
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: were where I was on the north wind. So I

687
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: never forgot that, and I was like, how do they

688
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: know where I'm at? It I was younger, right, It

689
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: wasn't that they knew where I was at. It was

690
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: that the wind direction switched where they were betting for

691
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: that day. Wind speed will also do that to them.

692
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: I always think in terms of how high is the

693
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: wind speed? How low do you think they'll bet in

694
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: topography to get out of that wind? How low is

695
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: the wind speed? The bed all of a sudden expands

696
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: in terms of the options for a buck, So it's

697
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: more about where they'll bed when it comes to a

698
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: wind switch, in my opinion, and that also differs early

699
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: season of late season, and it's food predominant activity versus

700
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: the rut, when the activity is throughout the day, so

701
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: bedrooms could pop up literally anywhere during the rut. This

702
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: time of the year, they're much more defined. Early season.

703
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Late season, they're much more defined. They're much more much

704
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: more opportunities for a deer to bed with security this

705
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: time of the year than late season, when all the

706
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: leaves are off the trees. They're seeking thermal units. So

707
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: it changes as the leaves come off the trees, it

708
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: changes with temperature, it changes with what phased the deer

709
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: in at the time of the year. So some of

710
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: the scouting that you do, it's always great, I think

711
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: for anyone to take lots of notes and any little

712
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: thing they learned that day, keep track of it because

713
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: I can, as I'm sitting here today, bet you one

714
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: hundred dollars that same occurrence is going to happen to

715
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: you in future years. And that's how you end up

716
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: eliminating a lot of mistakes and things that you did

717
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: that did not succeed, and start doing more of the

718
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: things where you had success based on those notes and learning.

719
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: It's it's so nuanced it's impossible to remember it all,

720
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: but it is possible to note it all and then

721
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: read through those notes in the off season.

722
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I want to unpack a little bit a few things

723
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: you said there in a little bit more detail. One

724
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: was wind speed impacts on betting, and I want to

725
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: repeat what you said and make sure I got this right.

726
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Higher wind speeds you typically see bucks betting or deer

727
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: in general betting lower intopography to get out of that

728
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: high wind speed.

729
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: Is that correct or at least in a fold within

730
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: topography to relieve themselves of that wind speed? I see.

731
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: I see that a lot when it's heavy, heavy winds,

732
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to go bottom somewhere that that afternoon and

733
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: oftentimes that morning.

734
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: Okay, but a low wind speed they'll bed wherever.

735
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little more expanded if you will, And

736
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: again it's not always. These are tendencies I've seen with deer.

737
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Now to direction. You mentioned that on that one big

738
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: north south field you described there, you saw them bet

739
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: on one side of it with a certain wind direction

740
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and the other side of it with the other direction.

741
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: What do you what do you attribute that to? I

742
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: know you mentioned it's like where they're betting, but why

743
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: are they betting on one side or the other? Do

744
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: you think it was because or did you Is it

745
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: your assumption that's because of the way they wanted to

746
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: approach the feeding, Like did they say, well, I'm going

747
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: to bet on this side because for me to use

748
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: this wind to go out and feed, I need to

749
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: come wet this way or is it no? Because when

750
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I want to go into my betting aar, I want

751
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: to smell my betting ear as I move into it,

752
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: so I bet here.

753
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: It's about when they bet it, you know, it's about

754
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: the morning. What was the wind doing this morning and

755
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: where might they have betted? You know, So it's more

756
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: about using the wind of a morning when they're going

757
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: and approaching their secure area than it is where the

758
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: wind's at when you go win. You know, yes, you

759
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: know if you thick back, well, why is he in

760
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: that bed? When did he get there? Wait a minute,

761
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: what were the conditions? Win he went there? And then

762
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: that'll help you pan through that.

763
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: So how do you think a buck moves into his

764
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: betting eear? What have you seen? I know you've watched

765
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: bucks go into their bedrooms before, and maybe even seen

766
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: them bed down. How have you seen them use win?

767
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of theories, there's a lot of

768
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: beliefs that all they always do this, they always do that.

769
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: What have you seen?

770
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: I've I've noticed a couple of different things. One thing's

771
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: for sure. As a buck ages, he moves much more,

772
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: much more slowly through the topography, and much more careful,

773
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: and he doesn't move as far. From a linear standpoint,

774
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: you take a buck that's five, six, seven, eight years old,

775
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: chances are he's not moving very far. His bedrooms are

776
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: very distinct. And if you can get lucky enough to

777
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: get a pattern on a deer in previous seasons, that's

778
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: putting some age on Chances are you can make plans

779
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: the following year to take advantage of that buck's weaknesses.

780
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: And by that, I mean he's not going to move

781
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: very far. His home core to me, just shrinks right

782
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: up when they get to six, seven, eight years old.

783
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: They know where they've been safe in the past, and

784
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: they eliminate problems just like we try to eliminate problems

785
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: while we're hunting them. They're eliminating problems of coyotes and

786
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: tractors and cars, and they know where security is. So

787
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: that's one thing I've noticed. Younger deer seem to be

788
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more random a two year old or

789
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: three year old buck. You watch them, watch their actions

790
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: when they come out into a field or when they're

791
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: walking through the topography. They're a little bit more careless

792
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: than an older buck, and they move at a much

793
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: faster speed because it's kind of like a I think

794
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: a pet lab or a pet dog. If you watch

795
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: them through their life. By the time they're old, they're

796
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: not moving a whole heck of a lot. They're spending

797
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: a lot more time in their bed laying down than

798
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: they are run and after ball that you're throwing off

799
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: the porch, you know. So it I think whitetails do

800
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: the same thing as they age. They just don't move

801
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: as far or as fast. But if you can find

802
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: where they're at and have an access point in and

803
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: out with the right weather conditions, you can kill there.

804
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: It's exactly what we did last night. We've killed that

805
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: dear for that exact reason.

806
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen them, you know, mature bucks in particular.

807
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: Have you seen them use the wind when going into

808
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: their bedroom in a particular way, like some folks will

809
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: say they'll always win check their bed before heading in,

810
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: or that they will j hook into their bedroom. Have

811
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: you seen anything like that? That's that's somewhat consistent.

812
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Certainly, And I see them do it more frequently later

813
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: in the year. When you take this time in the year,

814
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: they're not quite as spooped up, but all of a

815
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: sudden you put you know, coyote pressure, hunter, pressure gun seasons,

816
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: all these things occur. They get much more skiddage skiddish,

817
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: and they're much more alert throughout the day than they

818
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: are right now. Summer patterns leading into early fall are

819
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: a little bit more laxadaisical. They haven't been pressured very

820
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: heavily yet in terms of the hunting pressure. But by

821
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: the time you get to the end of the year,

822
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: they're wary and all alert and checking every wind and

823
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: their noses up in the air, and they'll go way

824
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: out of their way to check a bedroom or check

825
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: another buck, check other does. So they don't have to

826
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: do that quite as much right now because their interest

827
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: is different now, it's just more about food. Of course,

828
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: they're always interested in staying safe. But once they get

829
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: through the rut, and they've been using that sniffer each

830
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: and every day, you see them use it more often

831
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: than you do right now.

832
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about when things switch up midday? So they

833
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: choose where they're going to bed for the day based

834
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: on what the wind and thermals are doing at that time,

835
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: as they go in there and make sure they're safe.

836
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: But then if there's like a midday significant wind switch,

837
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: like this cold front coming through, like for me it's

838
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: hitting late morning, it's actually hitting today as we're talking.

839
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: It was southerly winds this morning, and then around like

840
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: nine ten o'clock, all of a sudden the storm pushed through,

841
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: the temperature start following, and it switched to a north.

842
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: So is that gonna do something funky to the deer

843
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: today where they bedded with the south, but for this evening,

844
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they have a north. How have

845
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: you seen that impact things?

846
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think in certain situations like

847
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: that the weather ticks over, their urge to go feed

848
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: is still going to be there. And they used the

849
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: wind as they navigate through the terrain more so than

850
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: they follow, you know, go you know, into the wind

851
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: all day long. You know. So I think they might

852
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: circle a little bit to catch a wind favor, or

853
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: they might enter slightly different than they would have if

854
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: the wind had stayed the same. But it's not it's

855
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: not a huge, huge difference. I think they're still going

856
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: to enter in their entry trails and exit those you know,

857
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: exit trails.

858
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen bucks shift midday where they bed

859
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: with a wind change. I've heard some anecdotes of peace

860
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: people seeing bucks that bet it on one side of

861
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: a ridge with X wind and then the wind switched,

862
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, soon after that wind switch, the

863
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: bucks stood up and moved fifty yards over and revetted

864
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: in a better wind positions.

865
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: That certainly, when wind can do that, some sort of

866
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: interference like a kyot can do that, or a dog.

867
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: And I more often than not, when you see that

868
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: buck on your trail cameras that's up and walking at

869
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: twelve thirty and nothing else is walking, I think it's

870
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: oftentimes something scurried around got him up, or the sun

871
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: aspect changed and therefore he's like, I'm going to rebt

872
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: so of course they'll rebt based on wind speedwind direction, sun,

873
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: other things that get them up and cause them to rebt.

874
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 2: Are they going to bet a lot further away? Might

875
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: be fifty yards, might be two hundred yards, It might

876
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: not be that far, but yeah, they certainly. They certainly

877
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: switched beds throughout the day. I think sun does it

878
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: as much as anything.

879
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: Movement. You just start talking about how they kind of

880
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: use the wind partially throughout their day as there moving.

881
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: And I know this is different from it's they use

882
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: wind in one way during the rut and then maybe

883
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: it's a little bit differently pre and post. But let's

884
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: first talk about this time, either early season or late season,

885
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: when it is basically a bed to food existence for

886
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: these deer. How do you see them using the wind

887
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: as they move in the evening to go feed? Because again,

888
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: there's like all of these Oftentimes people try to put

889
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: a rule on a deer like, hey, they're always going

890
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: to travel with the wind in the to their nose

891
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: or quartering to their face. But then I've seen bucks

892
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: head out into a food source with the wind at

893
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: their tail on occasion. But I'm curious, are there any

894
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: trends that you've seen enough that impact how you hunt

895
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: them in the evenings. Given like, hey, x wind, that

896
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: means they're probably going to come from this direction or

897
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: something like that.

898
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: In the fact that I'm very disciplined with where I'll

899
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: go on what wind speed and wind direction. When I'm

900
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: at a spot that i've I've had for a long time,

901
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: I often see them doing the same things, if that

902
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: makes sense, because I'm in there on the same conditions.

903
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: Otherwise I wouldn't be going to that spot. So I

904
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: don't frequent spots very often in conditions that don't favor

905
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: my access in and out. And then while I'm sitting there,

906
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: so I've already honed through that Otherwise I wouldn't be

907
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: going there. So I think as you sit and watch

908
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: a spot, if you can hunt it on a variety

909
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: of different wind directions, you might start to see, oh,

910
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: that's the direction I need to be here in because

911
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: they're betting one hundred yards off the field, not fifty

912
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: off the field, because that betting area is a little

913
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: bit more secure in this wind speed. I also think

914
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: the weather that morning plays a huge part in how

915
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: far off the food they bed, So it's more about

916
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: weather conditions in general? How well did they move the morning?

917
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: I think through that all the time. So are they

918
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: up because it's great weather, beautiful, high pressure, They're meandering,

919
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: going all over the place, and suddenly they've betted three

920
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: hundred yards off the field as opposed to just a

921
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: scenario where you're hunting a feet field of an evening,

922
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: as opposed to it's hot, they're not moving very far

923
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: and they PLoP down fifty yards off the field. So

924
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: I think through what what did he experience this morning?

925
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: You know, is he betted quite a ways off? Or

926
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: do I feel like he betted just off this field?

927
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Based on the weather conditions for us here this morning

928
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: we had a high pressure brning deer on their feet

929
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: all morning. There's no telling where they ended up betting.

930
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: It's not going to be nearly as defined as what

931
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: we've seen the previous two weeks when it was hot,

932
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: movement was at a minimum and they weren't moving very

933
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: far between bed and feed. I think that as weather

934
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: improves and we see more deer movement, you also see

935
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: a scattering approach of the of the betting because they're

936
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: they're just lingering longer, they're acorning they're you know, hitting masks,

937
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: they're checking dose, they're starting to check scrapes, and suddenly

938
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: they're starting to move a little bit more. So I

939
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: see that as much as I do. You know, wind

940
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: speed of affecting it.

941
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: You hear a lot about people, you know, I was

942
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: I was just reading a book for another podcast I'm

943
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: working on by Roger Rothar, and he described it was

944
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: Whitetail Magic, and it was either that or in pursuit

945
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: of trophy whitetails one of the two. But he described

946
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: in that book, and I've heard many people echo this

947
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: that the best setup to kill mature book is one

948
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: where the wind is almost wrong for you and almost

949
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: right the deer right. So how do you try to

950
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: do do you try to do that? And what does

951
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: that look like? Because I'm what I'm what I'm trying

952
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: to get at here is how you go about determining

953
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: how the wind is right for that buck?

954
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: You know. I read that book in nineteen eighty six

955
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: or eighty seven, and Roger Rar, Roger roth Are and

956
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: Gene Winsel really had a huge influence on myself and

957
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Terry when we first started we first started Dree Outdoors

958
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine, and I was. I read through

959
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: those books and I had yellow markers right where I

960
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: was going through and making you know, comments in there

961
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: and highlighting certain things that I wanted to remember, and

962
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: they were huge influences to Terry and I. But the

963
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: one thing that I read in Roger's book, and I

964
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: don't know if you've gotten to that point about how

965
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: he would only go into a stand after like eight

966
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: a m. Have you gotten that?

967
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I read them all the way through, so yes,

968
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: I remember that.

969
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So that always you know, I got the premise,

970
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: but I didn't get the premise like, man, I'm of

971
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: a different school and not saying Roger's wrong, because he is.

972
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: He was killing deer, giant deer in Ohio and Illinois

973
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: back before anybody else got to making this popular. He

974
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: and Jean were way ahead of the time and their

975
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: theories and the things they wrote about and much of

976
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: it is golden standard, right, But that one I was

977
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: always like, Man, I want to see the woods wake up,

978
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: and I want to have a position where I'm safe

979
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: that first hour or two. And how many giants have

980
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 2: you seen walking through the first fifteen to twenty minutes?

981
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to walking in when many of

982
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: the deer start to get up and be on their feet.

983
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: So I always I always felt like that didn't detail

984
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: the way I wanted to hunt, especially of a morning.

985
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: So in terms of the winds, you know, just kind

986
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: of right for me and kind of for the deer

987
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: and that type of stuff. I'm so disciplined. And it

988
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: goes back to the answer I gave just a little

989
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: bit ago. I want the wind perfect for me. I

990
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: want the winds and the thermals perfect for me as

991
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: I go in and go out, because there's such a

992
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: variance with wind cones, because if you look at it

993
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: and you go, Okay, I'm gonna hount this on a

994
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: northwest wind, when in reality you can spread that out

995
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: to ninety degrees or greater because everything on the south

996
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: side and everything on the east side is probably out

997
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: that day. Dependent on the speed. There's certain speeds that

998
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: are optimal for us, and there's certain speeds that are

999
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: optimal for the deer in terms of when they'll actually

1000
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: move the most. So I want the wind perfect for me,

1001
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: and I'll take my chances on what the deer are doing,

1002
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, because they'll move through the topography and they'll

1003
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: they'll switch course over one cent that they catch, you know,

1004
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: So it puts it puts white tails into the always

1005
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: a never category. And I just like to protect myself

1006
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: because I know this. If I'm not getting detected, I

1007
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: have a much greater chance of success that day.

1008
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it brings to mind another quote from Roger's book,

1009
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: which I loved, and I'm gonna paraphrase the quote. The

1010
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: quote was so good, I'm gonna I wish I could

1011
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: perfectly quote it. But he said something along the lines

1012
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: of the mature whitetail buck will always do exactly whatever

1013
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: he damn well pleases. Basically, it was coming down to

1014
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: we always try to put always and never on a

1015
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: white tail buck. He's always going to do this, I'll

1016
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: always do that, but there is no there's no way

1017
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: to actually do that. He's just gonna do whatever he

1018
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: feels like doing in that moment, and oftentimes it will

1019
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: surprise us. And you have to have a certain amount

1020
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: of respect for that randomness. To a degree you do.

1021
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: And it's it's why I always talk about having the

1022
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: access in and out and the condition's perfect for me,

1023
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: like I want it to where I don't get detected,

1024
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: because if you could go without letting deer detect you,

1025
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: you're you're going to be a very successful white to honor.

1026
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably the takeaway from from today's episode.

1027
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 2: Do everything you can to never let them know you're there.

1028
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: If you can do that, you're going to succeed a

1029
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: lot more than you're going to fail.

1030
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little uh, and then.

1031
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: Let the deer damn. We'll do what they want right

1032
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: and sooner or later you're going to get your shot.

1033
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say a little teaser. Next week's episode

1034
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: for Wired to Hunt is going to be basically a

1035
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: book report on Rogers books. I'm going to do a

1036
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: deep dive into the lessons of Roger Roth are that

1037
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, today's generation of Hunters doesn't know anything about

1038
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: him except for the fact that people like you or

1039
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: Don Higgins or Bill Winki mentioned his name, and all

1040
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: of us of my generation are like, who's this guy?

1041
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: Why do they keep bringing him up? So I went

1042
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: and found old copies of his books from used booksellers,

1043
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: got the books, have tried to get everything I can

1044
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: from them, and I'm going to try to share all

1045
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: that with today's generation. So that's next week.

1046
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: On this point, we should do one on Jeen Winzil's

1047
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: stuff too. From back in that Setuarajen and Roger were

1048
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: both cranking out incredible, incredible information. I always loved the

1049
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: chapter of Jean's book. I think it was One Man's

1050
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: White Tail, and he talked about the power of thinking

1051
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: so positively that he was able to make the deer

1052
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: get up and move because he would think about a

1053
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: buck coming through at eight thirty, and that's all he

1054
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: would think about the entire morning, and then boom, a

1055
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: buck would walk by at eight thirty. Like that chapter

1056
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: fascinated me. But in reality, I think the moral that

1057
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: story was just the power of a positive attitude and

1058
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: being ready for something to happen in any second.

1059
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1060
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: That's another thing I think happens to guys so often,

1061
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: whether they're on their cell phone, whether they got other

1062
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: thoughts in their mind, Like if you get home from

1063
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: a hunt and you're not fairly mentally fatigue, you probably

1064
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: weren't quite focused as much as you should be, especially

1065
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: during the rut where the sits are longer. Like that,

1066
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: mental focus and mental preparedness, being ready for the moment

1067
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: at any second, because they are fleeting. When a big

1068
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: bucks on his feet and comes by. I think about

1069
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: the times you've seen them. They don't linger, they don't

1070
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: You don't give you many shots. You better be ready

1071
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: for the one chance you're gonna get, or you're gonna

1072
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: blow it every single time.

1073
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: Man, They're tough, is the truth.

1074
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna blow it every time. So that mental preparation

1075
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: is we talked about that in that podcast you mentioned earlier.

1076
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: So yep, you got to make sure you're a little

1077
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: fatigued when you get done hunting.

1078
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: So so a couple more quick questions on these on

1079
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: these little win questions I have. I think that based

1080
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: on everything you've said so far, that you would say

1081
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: mostly no to the question I'm about to ask you,

1082
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: But I want to confirm because I'm always thinking to myself,

1083
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to predict where this buck's gonna go

1084
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: on a given day or hunt. We'll say for an evening,

1085
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: and if I have like a best guess of where

1086
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: I think he's probably better like, I will tell you

1087
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: exactly my scenario for tonight's hunt. My target buck has

1088
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: got a little zone that I think is probably the

1089
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: zone he beds in the most handful of acres, a

1090
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: couple of acres, two, three acres. I know he's not

1091
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: there all the time, but if I had to say,

1092
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, my best guess that he might be on

1093
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: most days, I'd say he's probably bedded somewhere around here.

1094
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: But then he has food sources to the north, to

1095
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: the south, and to the west, and I'm trying to think, Okay,

1096
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: where do I think he's going to go tonight? And

1097
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm oftentimes trying to think, you know, in some cases

1098
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: it's the same food source. He could go north to

1099
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: a cornfield, he goes south to a cornfielder, or he'd

1100
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: go west to a cornfield. There's acorns in between, and

1101
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: then there's green food plot in two different directions too,

1102
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of options in any different direction.

1103
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to sit here and think, well, how

1104
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: do I predict which one of those directions he's going

1105
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: to go today? And I oftentimes find myself trying to

1106
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: use wind to help me predict that, or I wonder,

1107
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: can wind help me predict that? Have you ever found

1108
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: the wind direction be able to help you predict whether

1109
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: he will go north, southwest, east, etc. And we've talked

1110
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: about We've kind of talked around this a lot, but

1111
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering explicitly, does the wind direction ever

1112
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: help you predict if a buck will go to food

1113
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: source A or food source B or anything like that.

1114
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: I think it does, but not every day or all

1115
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: the time. But I think it can be one of

1116
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: those factors that helps you tilt the odds in your favor.

1117
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot of factors that equal success. If you

1118
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: look back on your successful hunts and you break down

1119
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: everything you did, you go what all went right? Boo

1120
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: boom boom boom boom, and anticipating where a buck might

1121
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: move to a source. I think it's kind of like blackjack,

1122
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: if you always stay on sixteen or always hit on

1123
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: sixteen right. It depends how you play the game. Uh, Like,

1124
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm pretty consistent in the fact that if I go

1125
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: the theory, I'm going to go with it over and

1126
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: over and over and over again and stack the odds

1127
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: in my favor to where it succeeds. So, in other words,

1128
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: if you think on the north wind, I'm assuming you're

1129
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: win switched out of the north that he's going to

1130
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 2: use that win and come out the you know, one

1131
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: side or the other. And my guess is he's probably

1132
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: not going to use He'll squirt out the side. If

1133
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: I had a guess, because I think they often sent

1134
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: check stuff on their way as opposed to set checking

1135
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: the same thing all the time. Yeah, you know so, uh,

1136
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: I would my anticipation would be he's going to squirt

1137
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: out the side as opposed to squirting going north right

1138
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: into the wind. That would be my guest, because I

1139
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: think he's gonna set check as he's combining that with

1140
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: his ears and his eyes. We talk about their nose

1141
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: a lot, but they're good at seeing and hearing, and

1142
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: they depend on those two senses as much as they

1143
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: do their nose. And I think that's why when you

1144
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: when you try to bottle all this up and go

1145
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: what's he doing in certain wins? Well, what can he

1146
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: see in that terrain? And what can't you see? How

1147
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: high is the wind speed? How low is the wind speed?

1148
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: In other words, how well is he able to hear

1149
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: or how much might he not here based on the

1150
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: wind speed. So those other two senses, it's really a

1151
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: trifecta in terms of what he's using to live on

1152
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: a day and a doubt basis, and he has to

1153
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: use all three of those every single second of the

1154
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: of the day, year round. So it's not just wind.

1155
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: But if I had to guess partially, he's going to

1156
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: use the wind and go out, go out one side

1157
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: of that block or now that'd be my guess. Just

1158
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: I hope you're right, just for a cent. That's that's

1159
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: the way you're playing. Good, that's the.

1160
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Way I'm playing. I'm hoping that you're right because I

1161
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: can hunt just west of his betting area where my

1162
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: win I'll be just just a little bit on the

1163
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: southern side of it, and just west of it there's

1164
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: a big scrape that he's been already coming out and

1165
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: hitting pretty frequently right off the edge of that betting

1166
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: area is on his way to basically this spot I

1167
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: can hunt, he will pass through an open oak stand

1168
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: with a bunch of acorns in the ground. He could

1169
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: then hit a green food plot just past that or

1170
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,959
Speaker 1: a cornfield right next to it. So I think there's

1171
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: a strong chance of him wanting to use that crossing

1172
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: wind as you described it, and hopefully either the acorns,

1173
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: the green or the corn will be something he's interested

1174
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: in and he'll be pinching by in a little standard

1175
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: timber back there that I can get into uniquely because

1176
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: of the rain and the wind, today is the only

1177
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: day I think I could safely get this close to him,

1178
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: and so I'm going to take a little bit of

1179
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: an aggressive swing to get in there, because every other

1180
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: day coming up is going to be crunchy and loud anyways,

1181
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: So it's a kind of a one time shot. I

1182
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: think I have here for a while with this cold front.

1183
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's.

1184
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: Very wise and something you might do or consider is

1185
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: looking at previous I assume you have a little history

1186
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: with this deer from last year. Ye look at some

1187
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: of those nights he went that way. Go into deer

1188
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: Cast Past, which is a new feature for us on

1189
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: deer Cast, and go I love it. What were the

1190
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: conditions the days he did that? You know, because dear

1191
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: cast pass well, you go in and enter the date

1192
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: that you're looking for. You can enter any date going

1193
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 2: back three years and it'll tell you the conditions that day,

1194
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you match up where

1195
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: he's going and with a condition and when that repeats,

1196
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: trust me, they'll they'll do the same thing. They're very

1197
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: repetitive and redundant from that standpoint if nothing else affects them.

1198
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I love the fact that you guys added that.

1199
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: That's been something that I've wanted for years for you

1200
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: guys to have since since you know, in particular, you

1201
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: and Terry have been such advocates for looking back in

1202
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: the past and that you know, so I've had to

1203
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: always use the Weather Underground website to find the stuff.

1204
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: Now that you guys have it there in the app,

1205
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a happy camp. So thanks for adding that.

1206
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: You put the data and it spits out all the

1207
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: factors for that day. It's it's pretty cool.

1208
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's terrific. Real quick wind use by deer during

1209
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: the rut, either using wind to check dobetting and feeding

1210
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: area and or scrapes. Those are three different things that

1211
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: you oftentimes hear people saying, well, deer will use the

1212
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: wind to check one of those three things, doze on food,

1213
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: doze in the bed, or a scrape. How important has

1214
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: that been for you when setting up and what are

1215
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 1: the specifics of what you've actually seen.

1216
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: It's it's very important because I think they probably use

1217
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: that sniffer a little bit more then than they do

1218
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: any other time. It's like a dog trying to find

1219
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: a rabbit, or a blood tracking deer trying to or

1220
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: butt blood tracking dog trying to find a deer. And

1221
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: I learned so much about deer by hunting and tracking

1222
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: with tracker John and his bloodhounds and just watching how

1223
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: they work the terrain and figure out the scent not

1224
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: necessarily in the wind or the thermos, but set that's

1225
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: on a twig or a branch. And I see deer

1226
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: doing a lot of the same things that I've witnessed

1227
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: those dogs doing as they're trying to track a deer.

1228
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: So when it comes down to them this time of

1229
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: the year, they're a little bit lazier, a little bit slower.

1230
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: They're going one of the food source. Then they're coming

1231
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: back as we get into late October and their mind switches,

1232
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: their attention span switches, they start using that nose owes

1233
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: so much more. It's a totally different ballgame. It's like

1234
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: hunting a different species, if you will, than the one

1235
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: you're hunting now. It's one of the reasons we did

1236
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: thirteen because there's so many different light switch events where

1237
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 2: the deer just changed drastically their demeanor and what they're

1238
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: doing and how they're interacting. And I think as you

1239
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: get into the rut, it's all about that nose and

1240
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: all about set checking and covering ground and trying to

1241
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 2: jump that rabbit, if you will. A couple of things

1242
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: I've watched dear do consistently. Number One, you get into

1243
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: the rut and you see all that movement at seven

1244
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: thirty five to about or seven thirty to about eight

1245
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: forty five or so nine o'clock and the rest of

1246
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: the herd beds down. It gets a little slow, and

1247
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: then boom, the mature bucks are up on their feet,

1248
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: and then there's zig zag and all those betting areas,

1249
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: they're checking all those trails. They wait for all the

1250
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: other deer to bed down, and then they go those

1251
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: betting areas and check what just occurred. If they're without

1252
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: a dough, they're looking for a dough and they're gonna

1253
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: go find one, and they're smart enough to wait until

1254
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: the does are all down and then they go check them.

1255
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: I've watched them do that. The other thing, they are

1256
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: creatures of edge, and if you I love hunting edge,

1257
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: whether it's a thick cover inside of a big block

1258
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: of timber, or it's the hardwood edge on the on

1259
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: the downside of a betting area. The same place we

1260
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: want to be is often where they want to be.

1261
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 2: But you got to be a little further down wind

1262
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: than they are. And just watch through time, where do

1263
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: these deer downwind this betting area? How far are they?

1264
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: Are they just inside and the transitional zone or are

1265
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: they out here on this field edge? Can I mow

1266
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: a path that perhaps incentivizes them to use the edge?

1267
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: Could I put a path just inside the woods to incentifie,

1268
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: incentivize movement there? And through time you'll catch how they're

1269
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: using the terrain and the wind during certain phases of

1270
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: the rut, and then you it could be just a

1271
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: little further downwind than they are. Same thing with scrape lines,

1272
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: same thing with just about everything. They'll downwind everything throughout

1273
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: the rut, So you want to be on that same

1274
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: down wind side. So it does work, but you can't

1275
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,959
Speaker 2: be so far down when you're out of the game.

1276
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: Like I always felt like during the rut, if I

1277
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: could fool seventy five percent of the noses and get

1278
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: caught by about twenty five percent, I was pretty close

1279
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: to where I need to be within the terrain to

1280
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: take advantage of it and kill a big buck. Sometimes

1281
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: that guy's going to be in the twenty five percent,

1282
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: but oftentimes he's in that seventy five percent. Because one

1283
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: thing about being caught by a deer this time of

1284
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: the year, I think it is far more detrimental to

1285
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: your overall hunt right now to get caught by a

1286
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: dough Domino's everything back. It's it's really bad in December, man,

1287
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: there's so many deer. It doesn't take much to convince

1288
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: the whole herd to get up and domino back. But

1289
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: during the rut, can spook a deer, and ten minutes later,

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Speaker 2: because they're covering more ground, a new deer comes along,

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Speaker 2: especially if there's wind speed where it's covering a lot

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Speaker 2: of what's going on. So I always relied on that

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Speaker 2: seventy five twenty five rule when I'm when I'm run hunting,

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, if I have a few deer get down

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: on to me, I'm not that tore up about it

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: because it tells me I'm right on the edge of

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Speaker 2: where I want to be.

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Speaker 1: That's that's really helpful. I found myself many a time

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Speaker 1: standing in the woods, debating exactly which tree to pick

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 1: and thinking, oh, geez, this is the right spot to be,

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01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: but you know, there's a twenty percent chance that one

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01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: of them might slip back on that one spot there,

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: And then back and forth between like do I need

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: to be absolutely wind proof but off the ax a

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01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: little bit, or right on the ax but be a

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Speaker 1: little bit exposed. And it sounds like you're willing to

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01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: take a little exposure to make sure you're on the X.

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Speaker 2: During the rut type setups this time of the year,

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Speaker 2: I want I want zero percent because it's going to

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Speaker 2: ruin the whole hunt. Yeah, during November, call it October

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: twenty fifth or Thanksgiving that month, I'm a little bit

1312
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: it more. I'm getting in their face a little bit more.

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: I've had I've had pretty good success getting getting in

1314
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: there a little tighter now. I don't want to be

1315
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: right dead center in the middle of all the activity

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01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: or there's deer blowing you all day. But if I have,

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01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, if you see five deer and one of

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Speaker 2: them catches in the other the other four dome, I

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Speaker 2: think you're probably in a pretty good, pretty good spot.

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Speaker 1: All right, last wind question of the day talk a

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Speaker 1: bunch about deer getting down wind you, and you alluded

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Speaker 1: to this earlier, but one of the risks of calling

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: is that you might cause a deer to downwind you, because,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, oftentimes that's what they do. They hear

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Speaker 1: something they're interested in and then they want to circle

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Speaker 1: down wind of it. Given that, how do you think

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01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: about wind and that tendency to downwind you when you're

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Speaker 1: trying to call out a buck? How do you come

1329
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: for that?

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Speaker 2: The older I get, the less I call, but the

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: more success I have when I'm calling. So I'm I'm

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01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: choosing my darts right. I won't throw a dart at

1333
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: him until I know that he's in the right place, mood,

1334
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: the right position, and I've got the right area for

1335
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: him to come and approach my stand. Oftentimes it's on

1336
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: a day where the weather is ideal. They're in a

1337
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: better mood those days, and they're more likely to respond

1338
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: to a call, and the lighter I call. I used

1339
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: to get out there and bang those antlers in every

1340
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: thirty minutes I try to get them. You know, is

1341
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: there a buck that's come within your range? And boom?

1342
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: Then circle way down when because they're trying to figure

1343
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: out who's fighting. And then I don't rattle a terrible

1344
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: amount anymore. I do a lot of soft grunts. Snort

1345
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: weeze is probably my go to. I've called more deer

1346
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: in with a snort weez than any of the call.

1347
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 2: It's kind of that that little warning shop. You could

1348
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: give a deer and kind of play on his ego

1349
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: a little bit and see if he comes over there

1350
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 2: and check you out. You know. Decoying is kind of

1351
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: the same theory. But I just don't. I don't call

1352
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: a lot. But if I see the right buck in

1353
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: the right position, I will try them, and I generally

1354
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: have pretty good success.

1355
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: So what's the right position to make sure that they

1356
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: don't win? You? Does it have to be.

1357
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: Nearby the state up wind with a decent path for

1358
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: him to get to me. If he's if he's at

1359
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: my ninety, I'm not even I ain't even considering it,

1360
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, unless he's really in a good food you know,

1361
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 2: if he looks like he's ready to fight at that second,

1362
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: I'll hit him a little bit and hope that he

1363
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 2: comes straight to my tree. Or if it's a really

1364
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: mature deer, that is the difference, Like if it's a

1365
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, it depends on the population dynamics in the area.

1366
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 2: But if you know there's two or three monsters in

1367
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: the area are really matured deer, uh, and then there's

1368
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: a three or four year old that you'd still shoot.

1369
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: Chances are the three or four year old, if he

1370
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: hears a call, he's got that other big bully deer

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: or those other big shooters on his mind. He's not

1372
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: coming straight to you, you know, Whereas if you see

1373
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: the big bully deer, he might come straight to you

1374
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 2: because he's the king in the area. So it depends

1375
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 2: on the population dynamics in the area as well. You know.

1376
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: I've seen herds where there are no big mature deer,

1377
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: best deer in the herds of three year old, and

1378
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: he'll come straight to you, you know. But if there's

1379
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: some big ones out there that's on the back of

1380
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: his mind, because chances are he's already run into him,

1381
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: and chances are he already knows his his level in

1382
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 2: the pecking order.

1383
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Mark, I feel like you've armed me, as

1384
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: always with a few new ideas, a lot of new

1385
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: ideas and things to just continue to stew on which

1386
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: I will be doing today after slipping in during this

1387
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: reign and setting up right next to a big Bucks

1388
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: bedroom for an early October strike, taking a taking an

1389
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: early swing given this cold front. So we'll see, if

1390
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: we'll see if I've got a good story to share

1391
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: with the time.

1392
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're in the right place. I hope,

1393
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: I hope you're killing Do you have self cams in

1394
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: that area? Do you know he's in that bedroom?

1395
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: I do, he's been. I have daylight or like just

1396
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: off the edge of daylight photos of him five days

1397
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: in October already, So five out of the last seven days,

1398
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: I have a daylight of him in this zone, not

1399
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: not like all of them. I think two or three

1400
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: of those were on the edge of that bedroom, and

1401
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: then two of them were in food sources, just you know,

1402
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: off out of it. So he's definitely in that zone.

1403
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: He's right there somewhere. I mean, if he's not on

1404
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: the walk about, he should be close this evening. You know,

1405
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: whether you're daylight or not. You do have a late

1406
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: rising moon. Last night was the last rising moon that

1407
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: I felt like was optimum. The later it rises as

1408
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: we go into the full moon, I find the later

1409
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: that they the later that they move, So it won't

1410
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 2: surprise me if he's a touch late for you this evening.

1411
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: I hope he's not. But last night was the last

1412
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: really good night. Tonight, it's not bad. It rises I

1413
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: think close to about seven pm, so it's not terrible.

1414
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would have typically hunted him not

1415
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: as close to his bedroom as I'm going to get tonight.

1416
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: I've had hunted him closer to the food source he's

1417
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: been hitting the most. But I just got to thinking, man,

1418
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: with his cold weather and the fact that I have

1419
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: this one rainy, windy day, this is the only day

1420
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: I could try to get closer to him. Otherwise there's

1421
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: no way I could do it. I'd be so loud

1422
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: to be impossible. So my thought was, why don't we

1423
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: try one time to get a little bit closer in there,

1424
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: right where it's happening, where these pictures have been that

1425
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: I that I wouldn't have been able to get any

1426
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: other day in October so far, and looking at the forecast,

1427
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: I don't see any other days I could try that.

1428
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,520
Speaker 1: So maybe take advantage of this unique set of circumstances.

1429
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: And you know, as it does, probably doesn't work out

1430
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: because they're dear and they're gonna do what they damn

1431
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: well please.

1432
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: But maybe I hope you kill him. Send me a

1433
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 2: picture what you do.

1434
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: I will try mark before I let you go. There

1435
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: are a number of cool new things with the deer

1436
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: Cast app that you guys have been working on. You

1437
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: touched on deer Cast past, which I was so excited

1438
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: about I had to just text you, like in pure

1439
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: Joy the other day, I'm so happy when it's not that,

1440
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: But can you tell us about anything else new with

1441
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: the app or anything else with One of the other.

1442
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 2: Cool things I think is it lays out the information.

1443
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: Just from an organizational standpoint. We now have the list

1444
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 2: view where you can see all fourteen days boom ba boom,

1445
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: and you can like this prediction, uh last night. We've

1446
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: been waiting for two weeks for it because we could

1447
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: see it out there at the tail end, and day

1448
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: by day it would get closer and you know, it

1449
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: said slow all the way up to yesterday, and what

1450
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: do you know, you know, Wade kills this giant. So

1451
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: that list view I think helps you play in your

1452
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 2: schedule a little bit better, like, oh, there's there's my

1453
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: green out there in about you know, ten days. I've

1454
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: got to make sure I'm available right then as opposed

1455
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 2: to paging through it. So I do like that. The

1456
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: three D you know, topography that we put into our

1457
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: maps is fantastic. I'm still a huge fan of the

1458
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: rain stations. I want to know how much rain I got.

1459
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: The wind checker, I think is the best one out

1460
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 2: there in the industry. You know, put it on your

1461
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: spot and it'll show you what the wind's doing, and

1462
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,799
Speaker 2: the wind cones, how they change with the wind speed.

1463
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 2: You know, all the other little bells and whistles. It's

1464
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: it's amazing. Deer cast is as accurate as it's ever been.

1465
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: It's as useful as it's ever been. And now with

1466
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: deer cast past, I mean, and and of course the

1467
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: you know, the ability to help you when you need

1468
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: it the most, the tracking, you know, deer cast track,

1469
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just nothing else like it. Like Terry

1470
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: and I sat down and we were like, what do

1471
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: we want to solve for hunters, Like we're deer hunters.

1472
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: How do we solve these problems? And that's what dear

1473
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: cast is just a bunch of problems solving from our

1474
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 2: minds to put it all together. So it's a very

1475
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: rich app right now in terms of white tone knowledge.

1476
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not blowing smoke up your tail. I

1477
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: am a real paying user who has benefited from it

1478
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot ever since you guys launched it. So thanks

1479
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: for putting that together because it is a great tool.

1480
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate that mark. That's high praise. Thank you.

1481
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: Of course, anything else from Drew Outdoors we should know

1482
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: about right now as far as content, YouTube channel, anything

1483
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: else or should we just keep on following the YouTube

1484
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: channel and Socialist absolutely.

1485
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, our television shows are all airing

1486
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: right now, Bow Madness and Critical Mass and thirteen, and

1487
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: we're cranking out content right now. The semi live stuff

1488
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: on Deer season twenty five is just awesome. Jeff Propes

1489
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: just kill a giant moose up of the Yukon. They're

1490
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: working on our Catcher dream episode that we had with Will,

1491
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: They're working on My Missouri Buck. They will start on

1492
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: Wade's Missouri Buck, and all that stuff will come out

1493
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: here in the next few days. So all of it's

1494
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 2: in my live. It hits dear cast first, and I'm

1495
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: very abbreviated version and then it'll be a full story

1496
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: on on YouTube and dear cast here within generally within

1497
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: a week of when when the animal hits the ground.

1498
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: So our views are very good. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: everybody that takes the time to watch them, or if

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Speaker 2: you've downloaded dear cast, thank you so much. And of

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Speaker 2: course you can always follow us on Instagram and Facebook

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Speaker 2: and Twitter as well or x well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's always changing. But hey, Mark, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking the time to do this, to have

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Speaker 1: this chat after a late night last night, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I'm guessing you're probably off to another spot tonight

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Speaker 1: with this weather continuing to be pretty good. So thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for everything.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Absolutely, I got my mom in camp and I'm

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Speaker 2: taking mom out tonight, so that's going to be a blast.

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Speaker 2: We will through this whole, this whole podcast.

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Speaker 1: She did, ye, there's Lucille all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for very educational. It was I am interesting.

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Speaker 2: I hope for the best, but.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it will be, this is true. That is that's amazing,

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Speaker 1: that's the best.

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Speaker 2: She's ninety two and a half. So I mentioned she

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Speaker 2: was ninety two the other day. She said and a half.

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Speaker 2: So she's ninety two and a half and we're climbing

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Speaker 2: up into a box lind this evening. You know, ten foot,

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Speaker 2: she's gonna climb that ladder, get up there. She goes

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Speaker 2: through physical therapy daily where she lives. She's an independent

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Speaker 2: living there in Saint Louis, and she makes us also proud.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, I wish you and Lucille amazing luck tonight.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys are able to do this.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that the whole family's in town, so have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thanks Mark, I appreciate your own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, you're welcome. A great evening, all right, and

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Speaker 1: that's going to wrap it up. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this one. I found it fascinating. As I mentioned at

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Speaker 1: the top, go listen to the rest of those Marjory episodes.

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Speaker 1: The patterning dear one and the predicting movement based on

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Speaker 1: factors like wind, weather, bear, metric pressure, moon all that.

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Speaker 1: Those are a couple of my absolute favorites. Truly fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Check them out. Thanks for being here, Good luck on

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Speaker 1: your next hunts. Until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.