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Speaker 1: And welcome to episode number seven of Bird Noises Alanna

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Speaker 1: Talkins podcast about football and mostly everything else. And today

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Speaker 1: we are joined by a player who had perhaps the

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Speaker 1: best nickname ever for a linebacker, The Hammer, Jesse Tuggle.

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Speaker 1: Awesome to be here, Matt. How are you? Awesome man?

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. And before I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start right there with the Hammer nickname. But I've asked

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Speaker 1: everybody who comes on, what do you think of the

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Speaker 1: Bird Noises names. I like that, be honest, be honest,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's catchy. I like it. I like it

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Speaker 1: a lot. Give I like it because they give a

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Speaker 1: fan of perspective and from a different point of view,

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Speaker 1: a player or someone around the falcons that you can

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Speaker 1: hear something that's going to be totally different. I love

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Speaker 1: that standard. So it just like Burton Nois, so you

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Speaker 1: get to hear from an inside source how a person

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Speaker 1: is feeling and what he's going through. You know what,

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Speaker 1: there's our promo. Thank you, Jesse Tagal. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: gonna well, I'll still ask you for another promo at

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Speaker 1: the end, but can we just like just record that,

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Speaker 1: put that somewhere. The producers are nodding saying yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thumbs up. All right, So let's let's talk about the Hammer.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like we have to start right there.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Where did the nickname? Let's get the

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Speaker 1: definitive story behind the origin of the nickname the Hammer.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, and I can sort of remember

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Speaker 1: it pretty well too, because I I came to the Falcon,

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Speaker 1: I was an unknown player as far as not being drafted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it, all right. You grew up

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Speaker 1: all that. But I was always a hard hitter. And

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Speaker 1: so when I first got here the Falcon undrafted and

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of guys in camp. You gotta

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Speaker 1: think that's nineteen eighty seven, so a lot of linebackers,

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Speaker 1: then Buddy Curry, maybe Buddy and Birdie Curry, John Rady,

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Speaker 1: to come about. It's like being my second or thirty year.

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Speaker 1: They start off with like a rag doll and called

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Speaker 1: throwing people around all the time. And he said, man,

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Speaker 1: that a little short linebacker. Man, that guy he's pretty tough.

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Speaker 1: He's throwing everybody around and we did what you were like,

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Speaker 1: what five eleven? Thank you. I'm sorry for always tell

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Speaker 1: him a little. I'm just under six feet tall, okay,

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Speaker 1: but anyways, uh yeah, five eleven and I played at

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Speaker 1: and the rag dolls and man guys, he throwing people

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Speaker 1: to him. And then they moved me to inside and

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Speaker 1: that's my natural spot, middle linebacker. Yes, and then I

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Speaker 1: started really having some hammer hits, you know, it's nailing people,

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Speaker 1: He kept saying the hammer, Meg, dude, we hit you

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Speaker 1: With me and UM and all my buddies, they don't

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Speaker 1: It's an awesome nickname. Um. And it's like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's like for middle linebacker. You can't get, you can't

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Speaker 1: get better than It's pretty cool. Yeah, I love it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So just just to I was going to get into

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Speaker 1: That's continue to run to the ball. Well you did,

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Speaker 1: and it's a great Griffin High has a an awesome

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Speaker 1: why I had to learn as fans, fans, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the that's their right, and that's their weapon to say

429
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: things when not they don't meant to be harmful. But

430
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: at the same time they're just as the aggravated as

431
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: the players and their coaches. All right, So we all

432
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: knowing five, you know, Chuck Smith and I you know,

433
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: we talked to the team and we go to New

434
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: Orleans and I'm telling you right now, Chuck Smith put

435
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: on the performance that I don't think I've seen no

436
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: defensive players since in the history of the Falcons put

437
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: on and be honest with you. He know he was

438
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: went to New Orleans and and Willie Rove was the

439
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: huge he's a Hall of Famer now. At that particular time,

440
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: he might have been a three or four time Pro Bowler,

441
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: big guy, and and you know he went up against

442
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: some great pass rushers, and but Chuck came in with

443
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder. And this guy had five sacks,

444
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: three forced fumbles, ten tackles, and we got our first

445
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 1: win in New Orleans. And that led us up. I mean,

446
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: let me up. And I had a few good plays too,

447
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: but but tho, that's I don't know if I've been

448
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: with a guy that had that many big plays in

449
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: a big game that had to set the team on

450
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: fire just to get that monke helf All back from losing.

451
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: And then we lost the next two, and you're right,

452
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: at that point was one and seven, one and seven,

453
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Speaker 1: And when we finished the season off, we won five

454
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Speaker 1: at the last six and wind up being seven and nine. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: so it's nothing to brack about. It's nineteen it's nineteen

456
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: ninety seven, nothing to brag about. But that's a civil

457
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: lining to this dude, because when you win that mini

458
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: games at the end you know, you think about it

459
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: for the next season. So nineteen ninety eight comes and

460
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: men ninety eight was something special. Fourteen and two, I

461
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: want to tap the brakes there because you're not. Chuck

462
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: Smith said something pretty incredible about you at one and seven,

463
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: just like this team is right now. He said that

464
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: he likened you. He called Jesse Tuggle the Falcons. You

465
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: were their version of Julio Man. I appreciate that in

466
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: that you're not a big rob rob guy, he said.

467
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: And he said that it was you who came into

468
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: the locker room at one and seven, and I don't

469
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: know what was slammed or what was said, but he

470
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: basically said that you challenged players as men. Yeah. To

471
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: quote him, he said, call the scrubs. Yeah, And you

472
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: guys went on to win that you want six and

473
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: two down the stretch and then you went fourteen into

474
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: the next season and went to the super Bowl. Absolutely,

475
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: So that really was the turning point. It was a

476
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: turning point. What made you What happened there? You know,

477
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: when you when a team, your teammates look at you

478
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: as a leader, and you don't ever want to lose

479
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: the locker room. And I wouldn't ever talk about my

480
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: teammates the coaches. Quarterback Alway would say, you know, we

481
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: might have could have won if I played better, because

482
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Speaker 1: I'm the only one that I can control what I

483
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: can do, and I can't control noone else. And and

484
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to lead by example. And that's account of

485
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: player I was, and as a person type type of

486
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: person and a player that wanted to lead by example.

487
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: And thinking back to that moment, I know I mentioned

488
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: that we all stood up, and I might have been

489
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: the first one to stand that day and say something,

490
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: but I wanted to grab the locker room so they

491
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: know that we in this thing together. We win together,

492
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: we lose together, we cry together, we laughed together. And

493
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: if you can stay together on the tough circumstances, man,

494
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: particularly when you're a professional athlete, and in football is

495
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: the ultimate team sport. You know, you gotta trust the

496
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: guy who's playing right beside you, you gotta trust the

497
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: guy who planning on the opposite side of you from

498
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: offensive defense. So I call it the ultimate team sport.

499
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know it's something happened to us.

500
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: You know, Chuck went out and played his best game.

501
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: I think I ever seen an individual play, like I said,

502
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: and that motivated me and to go do something and

503
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I try to play astremely hard as I possibly could.

504
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Or Dan read first year and then and then everything

505
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: just it's just snapped and we just had a we

506
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: went off in nineteen ninety eight start off. You know,

507
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Speaker 1: I think we started off when a great start might

508
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: have been two and one and two and one or

509
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: something like that. But then we get on a ten

510
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: game winning streak and like everything eels man, it's snowball,

511
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: and it's kept winning out the win out to win,

512
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: and then we trust in each other and we would

513
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: go out to Minnesota and we beat the Vikings win

514
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: the one thought we could beat them there for the

515
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: NFC Championship and that was almost like our super Bowl,

516
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, unfortunately we lost the Super Bowl

517
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: and two weeks later, but just to get there, the

518
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: journey there was an awesome journey, and it was a team,

519
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, without superstars. For the team that I thought

520
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: they had a lot of guys, a lot of character.

521
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: You know Canadians been at myself, Chuck Terren Smith, Bob Winfield,

522
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on, the guys who

523
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: truly bleeded in each other and would really you know,

524
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: Jamal Anderson having his best year, who truly bleeded in

525
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: each other? And we're out there and did something special

526
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: that ninety seven year you guys had Correct me if

527
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Were there lofty expectations for that team? Team

528
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: you guys had, you had a lot of talent, a

529
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: lot of the same players, right, yea, So it was

530
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: trying to compare that team to this team a little bit.

531
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair to you tell me

532
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: the expectations. You know, I truly believe the team here

533
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: today obviously is more talented than we were in nineteen

534
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: ninety seven. But this team in nineteen ninety seven team

535
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: really have so much in coming, you know, expectations play

536
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: extremely high before they started season, and the same thing

537
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: for this year. And and now they find themselves at

538
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: one and seven. And when you go back to nineteen

539
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: ninety seven mid season that we all zach record. But

540
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: what they're gonna have to do what I talked about

541
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: earlier in Chuck and then that they're trying to control

542
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: the locker room. You know, you need to go into

543
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: locker room and don't lose it and don't lose it.

544
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: You want to talk to Jared, I would ask him,

545
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you do, don't lose locker room. You know,

546
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: you need to be a leader. They're gonna you look,

547
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna look up to you, and you played by

548
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: you lead by example. Um so that's the way I

549
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: I was building and that's where I am. And then

550
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: and if I look at these two team and you're

551
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: starting to see that, so now and then the second

552
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: half of the season, they can't worry about the outside.

553
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I knew it was. There's a lot of it right now.

554
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it. Just focus on getting better

555
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: each and every play, each and every day. And then, um,

556
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: are you glad you didn't have Twitter back then? Oh

557
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: my god, I don't know. I would have made it

558
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: with social media. I would It is so crazy. And

559
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: even now they called me a Donald Saw because I'm

560
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: not much on social media as far as ums. Okay,

561
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't have any I know not so so you know,

562
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: with that being said, I know it's tough on the

563
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: player because they can hear it, they can see it,

564
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: they can hear it. And I don't care how much

565
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: money you make. I don't care how many years you

566
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: played in the league, you do have a sense of

567
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: pride and a sense of awareness when things not working

568
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: right and people expecting something out of you but you're

569
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: not producing, you know, particularly as the individual or as

570
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: the team and um, and it's tough and mean, tough,

571
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: funny players because I believe or not, those those guys

572
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: out there who practicing right now, those guys who want

573
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: to win more than anybody. And when you can't do it,

574
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: when you're going through tough time normally, I think, Um,

575
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: when you're winning and the snowballs losing like snowballs, you know,

576
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna lose. And when you're winning and

577
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: you're in a close battle, it's gonna be a battle

578
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: on Sunday when when the Falcons go to New Orleans

579
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: and it's gonna come down to the fourth quarter and

580
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the score gonna be tight. When you're losing,

581
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: you're thinking, how can I not lose this game today?

582
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: How can we not lose this game? When you're winning,

583
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna win the game. You're want to

584
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: finish it. You're gonna finish I'm about you know this.

585
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: This is why I want to be and I want

586
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to be in a dog fight. And that is confidence.

587
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, you're going to have confidence in yourself and

588
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: your and your teammates because the dog fight is gonna come.

589
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna get it right there in it to win it.

590
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: You just can't think about don't screw it up, don't

591
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: lose it, don't screw it up. I don't know, we

592
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: need this win better than anything. No, you almost just

593
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: got to go out there and do it. Almost like

594
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: a golf swing. You think about it too much. You

595
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: stand on that ball, you're gonna shank the ball. If

596
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: you know you got confidence, you're gonnaknock it right down

597
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: the middle. And to me, I think they gotta stand

598
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: in there on Sunday and when they when they get tough,

599
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: and you're right there, and you right there in the

600
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: dog fight to win it, you go go take it,

601
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: Go take it. Don't be afraid to lose, Go and

602
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: take it and get to win. And that changed the

603
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: whole season. I mean, you'll think, man, it's only two

604
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: wins on the season. Though, you gotta start somewhere. I mean,

605
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: to me, you would love to win five in a row,

606
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: but to get five in a row. You got to

607
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: win one first, so you know, let's break this losing

608
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: streak and just focus on the big picture. I'm ready

609
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: to go break and losing streak right now. I don't

610
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: know about anybody else, but I'm ready to run through

611
00:30:54,120 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: that brick wall behind you. Um, that's pretty awesome. So

612
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: you think this team can make a similar turnaround? Oh yeah,

613
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: they got They got all the child in the world

614
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: at this point. Did you got to focus on the

615
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: little things? I mean the little things means a lot.

616
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: You know. That goes all the way from still to

617
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: come to the meetings on time. Still do all of

618
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: those things you need to do in the locker rooms.

619
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Still continue to trick, care of your body, continue to

620
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: work out and focus, vice film and execute. On game day,

621
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: it's time to execute. And believing the guy who's playing

622
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: right beside you, if that can just do all the

623
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: little things, you know, from catching, running, tackling, all the

624
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: stuff you think it comes natural for Approprier, you know,

625
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: believe it or not, you still have to focus and

626
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: do it. And and it's all a little things. They're

627
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna take them a long way, you know, even guys

628
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: that are playing, Uh, if you have a team that's

629
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: running the ball against you, whatever, and the thing that's

630
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: not working, Just focus on the little thing, Focus on

631
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: your technique, focus on your effort, and just make the

632
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: little thing. Just do it. And then it sounds so simple,

633
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: and it is when you sit behind this microphone talking,

634
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: But I know how this is on game day when

635
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you're dead tired and put someone pushing the ball down

636
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: on you and he like you're thinking, well, how do

637
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: I stop them? How to stop? And just stay strong

638
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: to your technique and give a ton of effort, and

639
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: if you do that, you will stop them. Plays you

640
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: made big plays to me as a defensive player in

641
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: the linebacker. Some of my best players I made was

642
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: time when I was dead tired and really letting my

643
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: natural ability take over. The drilling is pumping, and you're

644
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: doing things that you've been trained to do without thinking

645
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: about it. If that makes sense, and if you do that,

646
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: you may you make a ton of big plays. But

647
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about I gotta make a play, I

648
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: gotta make a play. I gotta make a play. It's

649
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: hard to think about it and gotta make a play.

650
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: This do your job and let the play come to

651
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: you and it'll happen. Just let you're everything that you

652
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: learned and your interestincts take over absolutely. And that's why

653
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I tell some people know about what the difference between

654
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: the day's player and yesterday player like myself, there's no difference.

655
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: The difference. We all want to win. And it's funny say, guys,

656
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: get let's start comparing generations. And you know from the

657
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: skill level to the size, to the speed, to the

658
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: money to everything, you know, this guy is so much

659
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: fasten your words, got here, this guy that And it

660
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter. What matters is the size of your heart.

661
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: And if you want to go out there and make

662
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: a play, you'll make that play. If you think if

663
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: the play gonna just come to you. Because you know

664
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I run a four foward. I don't mean nothing. You

665
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: know I'm six foot four. That's what mean nothing. You

666
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean I make to me, it all

667
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean nothing. On game day now, that counts. What

668
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: counts is effort, effort, and want to do it. Particularly

669
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: as a defensive player, you gotta want to make a tackle.

670
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: I used to have coach coach you tell us that

671
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: all the time. He guess, I know you got the

672
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: NFL players and your professionals, but don't getting on Sundays

673
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: when they run the ball. You gotta want to make

674
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: a tackle. You can't wait and think I'm gonna let

675
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: somebody else make the tackle. You gotta want it, and

676
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: if you want it, you're gonna get well. You epitomize

677
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: that for fourteen seasons you end up in the Ring

678
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: of Honor. Your jersey here and Valdasa retired. Um should

679
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. Thank you very much.

680
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Hopefully you know they're the centennial classes coming up right there,

681
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: trying to get some extra guys in. Uh, let's hope

682
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: they start doing the right thing with the hammer. UM.

683
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: I got to ask you, since you were talking about

684
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: yesterday's players and today's players, who was the toughest guy

685
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: you had to bring down? Were there any guys that

686
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: you just did not want to I mean, if you're

687
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: on your in your first game, if you hammered Christian mccoye,

688
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: I gotta believe they were all easy after that. I

689
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: knew right because he was a load and believe that

690
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: some great I played with a generation. The guys that

691
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: played with mostly all Hall of famers. Now, you know

692
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: from my favorite growing up Tony dors I didn't get

693
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: a chance to play against Tony though, Door said, but

694
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: he was one of my favorites growing up. Two Peyton

695
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I played with Dickerson, didn't get a chance to play

696
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: against Payton and m Emmett. Emmett was ununbelievable and out

697
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: of all the guys, and that was a ton of

698
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: guys I played with and played against him. Sorry, and

699
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: the toughest one, I would think, not the largest one,

700
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: the toughest was Barry. Centers say he was elusive. I

701
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: mean he was like I always thought he was double

702
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: joining his ankles. We should slow his tape down, and

703
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: literally watched him move lateral and it was unbelievable. And

704
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: they got an out of play of us. We're planning

705
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: in Detroit and I'm the first one to get the

706
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: barrier and I beat the center and go across the

707
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: center face hit buried in back feard. He spans on me,

708
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: throw me off. I'm on the floor on the ground.

709
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I get up on the turf. I'm looking at him

710
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: fake other guys out, and then I go and jump

711
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: on his back and make the tackle. So I'm like,

712
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy'll mate like eight guys miss

713
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: and I'm still able to get up and go make

714
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: a tackle. It was unbelieved with I mean he was

715
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: like a really playing against a video game. Yeah, and

716
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: so I have a lot of respect for him. You know,

717
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: he retired before his time, and I think he are

718
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: obviously the all time leader those two guys. Man who

719
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: was it was incredible to play against? Yeah. I would

720
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: say if you ever asked Barry Sanders, who had linebacker

721
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: hit him the hardest? To If you don't say me,

722
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you name three guys, I'm not

723
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: one of the top three guys, I'd be surprised because

724
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: I have some pretty good hits against Beard. You really

725
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: have to those up. That's pretty cool, and that's really cool. Yeah,

726
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: anybody that can hit Sanders square if we should accomplished

727
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: with itself? Um yeah, I was dying to know that one.

728
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Um what about have you ever been on

729
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: the receiving end of the hammer? Oh? Yeah, many times?

730
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Who who hits you the hardest? Okay, let me think

731
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: about it. We had sometimes when you're a middle backer

732
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: and you take a you give out a lot of abuse.

733
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean tons of big hits the weekend week out,

734
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: but it's still I'm the hitter. But that still affects me.

735
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I can feel I can feel a ton of that.

736
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Um so um um. We love telling a story. We're

737
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: hidding people and just knocking people out. But I played

738
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: against the offensive linement that I had a bunch of

739
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: trouble against too, So you know, a lot of time

740
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm playing against cowboys when they had large, huge Larry

741
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: Larry Ellen was unbelievable. The thing I can remain the

742
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: most about Larry Ellen and that we were playing on

743
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: Monday night, which we didn't play too million games on

744
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Monday night. He's a guy like you, another small school,

745
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: another state. You know, big big Larry probably weighed about

746
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: three twenty and I normally, I'm sure, and I got leverage. Now,

747
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I was always stronger than everybody, you know, I probably

748
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: in my in my peak and my prime, I could

749
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: be impressed five hundred and twenty five pounds. But and

750
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: I was like a lot stronger than the bigger guy.

751
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: The fact guys all sensive linement, right, so hilarious. Larry

752
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: was almost a six hundred pound being pressure, and so

753
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: he was equally strong. But he weighed seventy five pounds

754
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: more and he was a load. He hit me one

755
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: time so hard on Monday night. They lifted me up

756
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: and the sort of slammed me down my bag. Which

757
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: was that that Monday night game in the Georgia Dome.

758
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't the Georgia Dome. Listen and out of all

759
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: the plays of you know how you do this the

760
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: replayed he put it in slow motion. I can't stare

761
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: recall and my brother don't tell him. Hey man, John

762
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: Madden put it in slow motion slow motion and said,

763
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: watched Larry Ellen live Pro Bowl A linebacker Jesse chuck

764
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: her up and slammed him on his back. I'm like

765
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: out of oh all the time he caught me in

766
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: between steps. Yeah, and it was just so hilarious to

767
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: me afterwards because I'm like, if that had to happen,

768
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad Larry it happened. Right. So, so when you

769
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: asked me after hammer had been hammered before. Yes, but

770
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: it's the nature to BC. You know, it's pro football. Um,

771
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: so what are you doing these days? I know, walking

772
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: into the studio you talked about we're talking about the weather,

773
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: and you mentioned just golfing a little bit, but I

774
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: love the golf right, So my free time, I like,

775
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: I still like to play golf maybe once or twice

776
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: a week. And I get to play a lot of

777
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: retired players here too, which is real as if you

778
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: stay in touch. Yeahs Roughing Hamilton and you know Victor

779
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Green's lived here that played with the Jets. There's so

780
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: many guys that you know still here. Occasionally I'll play

781
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: with Chuck Smith sometimes and so we still you know,

782
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: we got it and we play skins and we have

783
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: fun with that and um and that. Since I'm from here,

784
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, I do a lot of my community, you know,

785
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Donn and Griffin, my mom's my mom still lives there.

786
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: A lot of my wife family there and my family

787
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: is there. So we still spend time in church and

788
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: Griffin and area. And you know, I'm fortunate enough to

789
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: have three great kids that they all played play sports.

790
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: And that's by the way. Yeah, that's pretty and it's

791
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: pretty cool, you know professional yeah, which is which is great.

792
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: You know, um start hung my daughter she's played college

793
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: tennis when she goes to school, I'm sorry, but also staged.

794
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Then she went to grad school at Syracuse and and Justin.

795
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: I went to Boston College, Kansas State, played for the

796
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Now here in CFL Hamilton, right, Hamilton, number

797
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: one team in the CFLO fourteen and three. Man that

798
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: they're the favorite to win the Great Cup. I'll say that,

799
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: and it's been awesome. And yeah, he has one Great

800
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Cup on his belt already. He played with when in

801
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Toronto wanted two years ago. All right, so and then

802
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: and then you got Jared you know right here. You know,

803
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: I tell everybody I might have been the first person

804
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: in history that during the draft was on stage and

805
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: when they got to me and say, well, named the player.

806
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, Jesse I was invited to come to do

807
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. You know, Jared was expected to

808
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: go early, but he still wasn't around, so it wasn't

809
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: playing at all. And so I tell people the story

810
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: all the time. So I'm on stage and I'm down

811
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: at the College Football Hall of Fame and I got me.

812
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: So we down to signing autographs and all of a sudden,

813
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and say, hey, listen, Falcons made a trade. We're about

814
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: to get it. We're about to get a kid. He

815
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: told get on stage. You know, NFL Network is shooting

816
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: it live. So I said, we got about a minute

817
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: before we announced it. So I'll turn to the side

818
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: and say, hey, hey, give me the name. I don't

819
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: want to be a name I can't pronounce, so you

820
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, so I don't

821
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: look crazy on TV. What is the name? And then

822
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: he killed us her about thirty seconds, twenty second, fifteen seconds,

823
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: someone else to me, hey, the defensive tackle out of Clemson,

824
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Grady Jared, And I look and I said, he's that

825
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: playing around with me. You know that's my son, right,

826
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, Jesse, seriously, the Falcon's about the draft,

827
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: um about about the draft to son. So at that time,

828
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the pride that everything, it was crazy, So I'm like,

829
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: are you serious? So so finally, you know, he was

830
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: so upset at first because he was still around for

831
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the third day, but sometimes things happened to it that

832
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: was meant to happen. And I think he couldn't have

833
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: been in a better situation, you know, here with the

834
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: Falcons right here at home, a team that I played for,

835
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: and and you see what he had he'd done since

836
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: he's been drafted, so he always had a chip on

837
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: his shoulder. You know, as at barely six feet tall,

838
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: he probably should short detaclay the league, but I was

839
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: the shortest linebacker, so one of the shouldest. But besides

840
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: his heart, and the kid knows leverage, you know, and

841
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing, you know, Um, And they've been

842
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: and I think wrestling, you know, been a two time

843
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: state champion in wrestling. That all that stuff helped him

844
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: a ton as far as power and leverage. And he

845
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: was blessed with some good jeans. And I would always say,

846
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the fruit don't fall far from the tree. I think

847
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: he's the strongest player on the team. And I was

848
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: the strongest player on the team when I played. So

849
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: with that being said, you know, he's um. You know,

850
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: take nothing from him as for his work ethics, what

851
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: it took to get here and the desire. Um. But

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00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, when you come from good gene

853
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: you and you got a good character, and you got

854
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: the work ethic and you got everything that it takes

855
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: to be successful, it helps a ton and um. But um,

856
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: but I'm proud of I'm proud of all three of them.

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00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm proud of all everything he accomplished him, you know,

858
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: particularly the big game he had in the Super Bowl

859
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: a few years ago that sort of put him on

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00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: the map and put him on the map, and um

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00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: and um, and I think I think he's in a

862
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: good situation right here. Um seemed like the owner like

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00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: him a lot of here, the coaches like him a lot.

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00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: But more so than anything else, you know, he's a

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00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: good kid a lot. I was gonna say, there's a

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00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: lot to like there. Not only does he is he

867
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: really good on the field, but he's just a great person, right,

868
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: really good kid. And the thing about it, you know,

869
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: all my kids, they get along with all, they they

870
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: agreed man out of never I'll look back if someone

871
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: who told me thirty five years ago, you know, I've

872
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: had three you know, great kids on any circumstances, doesn't matter.

873
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: And they all, you know, really accomplished a lot in

874
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: the careers as far from high school to college and

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00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing now. It means a lot to me

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00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: as a parent when you're raising no matter what, your

877
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: kids might up doing lot, as they're doing something positive,

878
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: it means a lot. And that's why I feel. But

879
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: since I played pro football and then they have two

880
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: sons to play pro football, it makes it even better

881
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: for me because I now I'm a I'm a dad.

882
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan too. I'm a big CFL fan,

883
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm a big NFL fan. And when I watch my

884
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: daughter playing, my big tennis fan. So so with that

885
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: being said, you know, sports is really big in our

886
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: house and it's cool. Man. We like it a lot,

887
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: and and it keeps me busy, you know, I get

888
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: to travel a lot. Well, I gotta tell you, after

889
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: today and just everything I've read, I'm a huge fan

890
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: of you, and um, I hope we get you. Uh.

891
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: I hope you're in Kent in one of these days

892
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: because you deserve to be. But to man, just thanks

893
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: for coming on. Bird Noises toy. It was pretty awesome.

894
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 1: Hey man, thanks for having me. Man, you're so cool,

895
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: and you know what, I appreciate that, all right. Well,

896
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, on that's gonna make some people a building.

897
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: It's really happy, you know, every time you say bird

898
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: noises and there's like this this bird screaming. I like it, man,

899
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: I like the luck. So all right, well, thanks for

900
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: coming on, Hammer, I do appreciate it. Thanks man. Thanks

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00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: Jesse take here. I am Jesse Togal former Atlanta Falcon

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00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: five time Pro Bowl known as the Hammer. You are

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00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: listening to bird noises,