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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody, it is Monday. It is

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Speaker 1: time for Clay and Buck all across the land. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here with us. We've got, as always as

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Speaker 1: the case on Monday, because it all comes together from

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, a lot to discuss. We've got Trump

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Speaker 1: on Meets the Press with its new host Kristen Welker.

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Speaker 1: We've got Speaker McCarthy proceeding with the impeachment inquiry without

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Speaker 1: much pushback from Republican stories on that over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: so it looks like so far unity on the impeachment inquiry.

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Speaker 1: Numbers from the Border, Customs and Border Patrol telling Fox

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Speaker 1: News how many thousands of encounters. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: tell you the number now you've got to stay with us,

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Speaker 1: but just think in your head, how many in one weekend,

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Speaker 1: how many people entered into America at our southern border illegally.

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Speaker 1: So that's certainly something we will dive into. A lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff from the Trump Meet the Press interview, some

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Speaker 1: of which we'll dive into here outlining his Trump's positions

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Speaker 1: on Ukraine, on abortion on I obviously talked about the

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Speaker 1: trials January sixth. Stuff, a lot of things, so I'll

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Speaker 1: have some time for that in a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: first up, one thing that we've been processing here on

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Speaker 1: the show is the new reality that Hunter Biden is

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Speaker 1: facing three felony indictments related to a gun charge. This

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Speaker 1: news broke last week. Clay, I actually managed to do

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Speaker 1: a backflip while still seated in his chair. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know what was possible. But when the news broke,

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Speaker 1: he had been calling it for a long time, this

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Speaker 1: could happen. So we're going to see if it turns

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Speaker 1: into a reality that Hunter Biden could face prison time.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I still think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways they're going to try to make this go away.

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Speaker 1: But the crazy world we live in now we've got

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy enough, Clay that Trump is facing

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Speaker 1: four indictments when you add to this though, that the

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Speaker 1: president's son is facing a multiple count indictment. So Trump

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Speaker 1: is facing four different criminal trials and also a civil

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden facing three felony charges in one indictment around

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Speaker 1: the gun charge. The son of the sitting president we

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Speaker 1: got a lot of things to dive into. This was

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Speaker 1: a strategy that I'm not sure that many people saw coming,

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Speaker 1: and it was Hunter Biden over the weekend. This just broke.

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Speaker 1: Has sued the IRS for allegedly breaching his privacy. He

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Speaker 1: says that the whistleblowers is twenty seven page lawsuit Clay

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's lawyers say that a couple of IRS agents,

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Speaker 1: the whistleblower Shapley and Zieglert, have created problems for hunters privacy,

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Speaker 1: effectively putting the trying to put the whistleblowers on the

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Speaker 1: hot seat in this instance. What do you take from this?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this strategy? Is it something

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly brazen and reckless. And if we had an

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Speaker 2: honest Department of Justice, immediately they would file felony charges

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Speaker 2: against Hunter Biden for income tax evasion.

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Speaker 1: I I just want everybody out there to think about

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Speaker 1: what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden is not saying, hey, these these releases are inaccurate,

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Speaker 2: because remember he hasn't paid millions of dollars that he

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Speaker 2: Buck he tried to write off hookers on his tax returns.

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Speaker 1: Right off hookers.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason why he didn't get away with

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Speaker 2: this sweetheart deal was because the House was won by Republicans.

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Speaker 2: And these two IRS agents step forward and told us

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Speaker 2: exactly how rig the investigation was into Hunter Biden. So

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Speaker 2: I think this is an incredibly reckless legal strategy. At

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Speaker 2: a minimum, buck it would require that Hunter Biden testify

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Speaker 2: under oath and be aggressively deposed. This is a civil suit,

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Speaker 2: but anything that he said in a civil suit would

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Speaker 2: that could even point out what the legal strategy could be.

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Speaker 2: Because but as soon as I saw this this morning,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's part of a broader attempt here

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Speaker 2: like the opposite team from all the stuff up against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. In essence, Hunter's team is trying to say,

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Speaker 2: this is all political too, This is a hit job.

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Speaker 1: Just like the stuff against Trump they say is a

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, this is I think their goal. So that

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Speaker 1: then that gives Democrats the ability to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: mean to dismiss because legally he's guilty, right, Like, from

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Speaker 1: a statutory perspective, Hunter Biden's a criminal, full stop. We

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Speaker 1: with is is, oh, this is politicized too, just like

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Speaker 1: as whether there's four crazy indictments, the Hunter stuff, they

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Speaker 1: what's political. Yeah, well, so what's weird about this to me? Buck?

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Speaker 2: Is they're not even arguing like Trump is arguing, I

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Speaker 2: didn't commit these crimes. Right, Trump said, I didn't mishandle

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Speaker 2: January sixth, Trump said, and again I'm just paraphrasing. In

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Speaker 2: wasn't involved. I'm not criminally culpable. And in Atlanta he's

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Speaker 2: saying I didn't do anything wrong. What's interesting about this

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Speaker 2: everything wrong because basically what he's trying to sue for

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Speaker 2: is invasion of privacy. But in order for your privacy

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Speaker 2: have seen, he is saying that accurate information has been

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Speaker 2: the failure to pay taxes, the gun charges, all these

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Speaker 2: So the difference is to me, yes, I can see

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Speaker 2: the political angle. But the political angle for Trump is

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Speaker 2: this is all politics. I didn't commit any crime. What

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden is saying is, okay, this is all politics.

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Speaker 2: My privacy was invaded well, which I remember a pretty

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Speaker 2: substantial distinction I would see there.

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Speaker 1: The pitch is not to convince a single Republican in

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Speaker 1: It's to create a narrative that Democrats can use to

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Speaker 1: and the crime family. Right, So this is just it's

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Speaker 1: like a fallback. This is the talking point. And so

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Speaker 1: to what you're saying, Yeah, Trump is saying I didn't

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Speaker 1: already said this, Oh, Hunter's gotten such harsh treatment. Whenever

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Speaker 1: They're going to try to bring some of I'm just

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Speaker 1: it for some level of strategy. It's I think it's flailing,

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Speaker 1: but I I'm trying to see what their you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's that they can say that this

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Speaker 1: and it's a it's crap, but it is the line, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta remember they went with Russia collusion

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Speaker 2: That's not I'm actually that's what I'm surprised by. I guess, Buck,

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Speaker 2: is they're not as they're not as aggressive in the

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Speaker 1: Because here's what I would say if I Hunter Biden's lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Right, I've represented convicted murderers, I've represented drug dealers, I've

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Speaker 1: Okay, so did the murderous get off? You always tell

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Speaker 1: me about this, but you never tell me did you

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Speaker 1: get the murderer of Oh no, so far as I know,

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Speaker 1: I believe he's still in jail. But but.

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Speaker 2: Why would the defense not be to build on what

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Speaker 2: you're saying, Buck, My client didn't do anything wrong. Like

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Speaker 2: if I were advising Hunter Biden and I were his lawyer,

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Speaker 2: my defense would be my client did nothing wrong. The

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Speaker 2: only reason why he's being investigated is because his dad's

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Speaker 2: a president of the United States, and the only reason

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Speaker 2: we agreed to a plea agreement at all was because

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Speaker 2: we wanted to take this distraction away from my father's

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Speaker 2: re election campaign in twenty twenty four. That would be

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Speaker 2: my defense. Now I think it's bs right, but that's

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Speaker 2: what I would defend him. That's far more effective.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're suing the irs is a part

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Speaker 1: is trying They're trying to create the paper trail, so

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Speaker 1: you know, this is all a big political circus. Now

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Speaker 1: it's it's become a function of you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: I don't know how well it's really going to work,

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Speaker 1: being prosecuted because of who his dad is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden clearly broke the law, as much as we

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Speaker 1: else is there? I know we have a presumption of innocence,

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Speaker 1: and it is an important principle. I think it gets

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Speaker 1: lost a lot. But the presumption of innocence in the

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Speaker 1: on a formality with that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm looking at it again. I always

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Speaker 2: like take away the politics everything else. The last thing

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Speaker 2: I want to do, Buck is put him in any

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Speaker 2: because that would create the largest possible criminal culpability for him.

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Speaker 2: When you are voluntarily suing you are and they're suing

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Speaker 2: the irs. If this case were to proceed, then it

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Speaker 2: would lead to Hunter Biden being directly under oath deposed

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Speaker 2: about every single detail of his tax return.

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Speaker 1: To the point that we always make about the processes

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Speaker 1: here and the machinery of the I'm assuing the irs.

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Speaker 1: This this is not going to the front of the line, buddy,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? This is good, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So it's just this creates This is for the media

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Speaker 1: to have something to chew on. This is not for

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Speaker 1: the actual defense of Hunter via a lawsuit against whistleblowers

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Speaker 1: that's going nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Anger is not a legal strategy When I see this, Buck,

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Speaker 2: this looks like a as a legal strategy. Hunter is

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Speaker 2: angry because he didn't get his plea deal. Hunter is

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Speaker 2: angry because he's now got an indictment against him. And

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Speaker 2: when your client is angry, and every lawyer out there

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Speaker 1: And that was not coincidental. It was Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: a space. He waited and waited. They were finding classified

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Speaker 1: documents in the corvette next to the old tennis rackets,

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Speaker 1: and I mean that the whole thing is crazy. He

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Speaker 1: has been holding out for the Bidens at every step.

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Speaker 1: He the Bidens want him on that wall, Clay, they

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Speaker 1: need him on that wall. The notion that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: is like, why it up cleaning up the mess here

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Speaker 1: of the Biden White House is absurd. And that's why

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Speaker 1: when I see this piece, I look at it, I go,

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Speaker 1: why would anyone in the Biden orbit right now going

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Speaker 1: to selection year present this to the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely not going to fire Merrick Garland, right, there's no,

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Speaker 1: you can't do it right? So what what really is

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Speaker 1: the play here? And if it's in a deep freeze?

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Speaker 1: Is this gonna make the relationship better?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: So I think this is really interesting. I think that

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Speaker 2: it's possible this is spy stuff.

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Speaker 1: Clay.

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Speaker 2: I'm going full seeing and I'm analyzing because I see

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Speaker 2: this story and I'm like, this is a Monday Morning story.

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Speaker 2: That's a really strong opening paragraph. I see the story

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Speaker 2: and I think, so, why would it be in a

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Speaker 2: deep freeze? Let's pretend that it is. Let's pretend that

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Speaker 2: they're correct and that that they are not getting along.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be that the Biden administration has

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Speaker 2: finally embarrassed Merrick Garland to such an extent. Let me

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Speaker 2: give you a couple of examples of that. When they

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Speaker 2: got the sweetheart deal for Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what they did? They invited Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: and Hunter to that I think it was India. At

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Speaker 1: the state dinner. There's only like one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty people or whatever it is there, and

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Speaker 2: you've got your Attorney general mingling with the president's son

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Speaker 2: that he just gave a get out of Jael free

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Speaker 2: I can see Merrick Garland saying that is reckless. They

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Speaker 2: put me in a really bad position. I think the

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Speaker 2: way that the thing the hearing went down with Judge Noriyeika.

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Speaker 2: Even if you are doing the dirty work of the client,

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Speaker 2: which you could argue Merrick Garland has been, there is

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Speaker 2: a point where you move from advocate to shameless partisan.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if Merrick Garland believes that the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration has put him into the role of shameless partisan

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Speaker 2: and he's unhappy and uncomfortable with it. That's the only

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Speaker 2: reason I could see it be in deep freeze.

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Speaker 1: I think Merrick Garland has wholeheartedly embraced his role as

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Speaker 1: shameless partisan. Let's not forget Merrick Garland. His DOJ was

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Speaker 1: involved in the threat that parents pose by objecting disaster.

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Speaker 1: He's as an Attorney general, and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people even years ago, I remember speaking to Andy

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Speaker 1: McCarthy about this back when he was back when Merrick

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Speaker 1: Garland was up for that Obama appointed Supreme Court seat

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Speaker 1: if it could get through the Senate didn't get through,

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Speaker 1: and they were all telling us, and even in some

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Speaker 1: conservative if I remember correct, they pardon me Andy if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but he said that Merrick was a pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty middle of the road guy. And since then, since

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Speaker 1: he's been Attorney General, everyone on the right I know

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Speaker 1: has said, this guy is a hack and this guy

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Speaker 1: is a scoundrel. And so it's with that in mind

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Speaker 1: that I see this as I mean, to the point

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Speaker 1: that you're making, is it possible that they've pushed him

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Speaker 1: so like people do have a breaking point? Is a

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Speaker 1: break Even lib media journals we've discussed this, have their guys.

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Speaker 1: I'll lie for you, but I won't abjectly humiliate myself

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Speaker 1: to my own audience. For you, right, there's a line

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Speaker 1: that they won't necessarily willingly go past. They'll go past it,

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Speaker 1: but they'll whine about it. But for me, I still

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Speaker 1: see this as White House aids trying to create the

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Speaker 1: perception of the public's mind that justice will be done

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Speaker 1: here about Hunter Biden, when there's plenty of indicators that

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Speaker 1: the furthest possible thing is going to be the end.

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Speaker 2: So your take is an interesting one. It's that the

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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal reporters got played.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, because I don't see why would these

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Speaker 1: aids give the Wall Street Journal this story at this time?

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Speaker 1: If it's true, how many other times have we seen

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Speaker 1: Biden White House aids come forward to give what could

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Speaker 1: be I don't think it is, but could be damaging

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Speaker 1: information about the regime. I can't remember the last time

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Speaker 1: that happened.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I see this, And the other question

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Speaker 2: I would have is from an editorial perspective, did the

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Speaker 2: editors question it too?

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Speaker 1: Because it's not on the front page. So when I

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Speaker 1: read it, I was like, oh, this is interesting.

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Speaker 2: They put it on page four, like if they truly

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Speaker 2: thought they had a big scoop about discord between Biden

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Speaker 2: and his attorney general. That feels like to me, a

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Speaker 2: you know, a one top of the top of the

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Speaker 2: fold story. So I'm curious on that too.

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Speaker 1: Just putting it out there, folks, I think this could

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Speaker 1: have This could have been a stealth operation, a propaganda

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Speaker 1: mission through the through the journal. I We'll continue to

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Speaker 1: watch this one. I just I don't see if you're

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Speaker 1: in a reality based world, Clay, if you're Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: you are thanking Merrick Garland every day for doing everything

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Speaker 1: possible to give Hunter every opportunity to completely escape without

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Speaker 1: any consequences. I mean, short of I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I wonder, like, what else could he have possibly done

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Speaker 1: at this point? Remember the prosecutors tried to get that

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Speaker 1: deal through. Yeah, the federal prosecutors tried to give Hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden a deal. I mean that was like an Epstein

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Speaker 1: level deal for those of you who know about the

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Speaker 1: original Epstein deal with the Feds that actually cost a

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Speaker 1: Trump appoint his job in the Trump administration from when

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Speaker 1: he was US Attorney. I believe it was a cost. Well,

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Speaker 1: I gotta check in the name, but it was the

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Speaker 1: most sweetheart deal imaginable. So anyway, I will watch this one.

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Speaker 2: Helping you separate truth from fiction every single weekday, the Clay,

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Speaker 2: Travis and Buck Sexton Show Welcome back in and Clay's

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Speaker 2: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out

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Speaker 2: with us. We're joined now by Ovic Roy, President of

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Speaker 2: the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity Policy editor at Forbes.

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Speaker 2: It's done fantastic work for a variety of different issues.

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Speaker 2: I think the last time I saw you OVIC was

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Speaker 2: down last year in Austin for the Alabama Texas game,

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Speaker 2: which is a lot of fun. And I think you're

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Speaker 2: still in Austin where your organization is based. But you're

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Speaker 2: a big Michigan Wolverine fan. So before we dive into

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Speaker 2: healthcare policy issues, how would you assess we just got

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Speaker 2: a brand new affiliate in Detroit nine ten am. We're

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Speaker 2: blowing up all over the state of Michigan. How would

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Speaker 2: you assess the University of Michigan start to the season.

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Speaker 3: Well, those Lions fans are going nuts in Detroit. That's

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Speaker 3: been the hot topic out there. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: you know, so far the non conference schedule, I can't

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Speaker 3: say that Michigan has overperformed. There's been I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of lack of chemistry on the offensive line. The

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Speaker 3: perimeter blocking in the run game hasn't been great, whether

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Speaker 3: it's the tight ends or particularly the wide receivers. They

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Speaker 3: did a little bit better on that against Bowling Green,

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Speaker 3: so that was a good signed. Korm seemed to get

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Speaker 3: his legs back. But then JJ McCarthy had a couple

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Speaker 3: of brain dead throws and very unlike him was flashbacks

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Speaker 3: the TCU, So they obviously have to get that cleaned up.

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Speaker 3: But they've got all the pieces. Look, they have great

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Speaker 3: offensive line in theory, they have great two great running backs,

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Speaker 3: first round caliber running backs. They have a first round

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Speaker 3: caliber quarterback. They have fast receivers, they have great tight ends.

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Speaker 3: On defense, their defensive line is awesome Georgia level perhaps

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Speaker 3: uh and uh, and their secondary is banged up a

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Speaker 3: little bit but looking pretty good. So they've got they've

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Speaker 3: got all the pieces to go very far, but they

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Speaker 3: just have to put it all together, and they haven't

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Speaker 3: done that yet. And the Rutgers next week is gonna

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Speaker 3: be an underrated test because Rutgers is looking pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So Ovid, I'm gonna do the nerd here, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you about healthcare policy if I can. I

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Speaker 1: know you guys are having fun.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking of you all of that with that

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Speaker 3: Alabama Texas game though the week before last, because that

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Speaker 3: would have been a fun one to see. I bet

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Speaker 3: you guys, if you were there, I had a great time.

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Speaker 1: That was a phenomenal I was a phenomenal game, especially

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Speaker 1: because it was almost such a such a big upset.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people out there have too much

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Speaker 1: that they're paying for healthcare premiums, healthcare visits across the board.

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Speaker 1: You know, I pulled this up right beforehand, Ovic, and

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Speaker 1: I know you're you're a health care policy expert, have

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Speaker 1: been for many years that affordability of healthcare when you

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Speaker 1: average it between Democrat and Report public in most of

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Speaker 1: the major polls that you can pull for the last

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Speaker 1: well probably a long time. It's certainly in the last

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Speaker 1: twelve months, affordability of healthcare is a top two or

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Speaker 1: three issue, and poll after poll for people right now,

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Speaker 1: usually just behind inflation and jobs. Those are the ones

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Speaker 1: that inflation, jobs, and then affordability of healthcare pops up

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Speaker 1: right alongside them. I thought Obamacare was supposed to fix

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Speaker 1: all that. What happened? What happened? How are things getting

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Speaker 1: more expensive? Ovic? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: They called it the Affordable Care Act, right, and healthcare

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Speaker 3: In fact, Obama you'll remember this, Buck and Clay you

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Speaker 3: might as well. In two thousand and eight, when Obama

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Speaker 3: was campaigning for president, he promised repeatedly on the campaign trail,

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Speaker 3: and I've got the video to prove it that his

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Speaker 3: plan would reduce the average family's healthcare premiums by twenty

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Speaker 3: five hundred dollars per year. He kept repeating that promise,

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Speaker 3: which came out of a random, you know, liquid back

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Speaker 3: of the envelope estimate from a couple of Harvard professors

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Speaker 3: that just kind of guessing basically.

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Speaker 1: But he ran with that, and.

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Speaker 3: Instead healthcare premiums for the average consumer average family four

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Speaker 3: went up by twenty five hundred dollars for a family

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Speaker 3: four in year one, and it's only gotten worse over time.

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Speaker 3: And now we have to say that healthcare was expensive

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Speaker 3: before Obamacare. Its prices were growing faster than inflation before Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: Obamacare made it worse if you had to buy insurance

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Speaker 3: on your own. So if you weren't getting it from

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Speaker 3: your employer, you weren't getting it from the government, you

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Speaker 3: were shopping for it. In the old what was called

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Speaker 3: the individual market for health insurance, it used to be

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Speaker 3: a lot cheaper. Under Obamacare, those premiums doubled and tripled,

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Speaker 3: and they've continued.

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Speaker 1: To go up.

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Speaker 2: So Ovick, this is part and parcel of I think

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Speaker 2: a failure of the American health care system. And you

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Speaker 2: tell me if I'm wrong here, But the data that

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Speaker 2: I have seen suggests that if we had half as

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Speaker 2: much medical treatment, there would be no change really in

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Speaker 2: the amount.

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Speaker 1: Of years of average life that are added.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: In other words, the quality of the healthcare results would

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Speaker 2: not change with half of the amount of healthcare spending.

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Speaker 2: Do you buy that or do you think that's an

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Speaker 2: exaggerated analysis of our current system. I do buy that.

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Speaker 3: There's stuff we do at the end of life that

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Speaker 3: you know, to kind of be heroes that may not

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Speaker 3: make much of a difference. But the problem is it's

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Speaker 3: really hard. It's easy to look at that in hindsight

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Speaker 3: and say, oh, we shouldn't have done that, or we

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have done that that didn't work. But you don't

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Speaker 3: know until you try it, right, And who's going to

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Speaker 3: tell that seventy five year old or that eighty year

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Speaker 3: old don't do that, don't do that thing that might

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Speaker 3: save my life. Right. So that's a hard thing to solve.

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Speaker 3: But what you can solve, and what's clearly true in

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Speaker 3: the United States is that unit price of every piece

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Speaker 3: of healthcare we deliver to people is way higher here.

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Speaker 3: Most people know that what you pay for prescription drugs

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Speaker 3: in the US is two to five x what it is.

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Speaker 1: In other countries.

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Speaker 3: That's true of hospital care too, the average hospital stay

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Speaker 3: in the US. We actually are very good at getting

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Speaker 3: people out of the hospital. A lot of the surgeries.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I tore my achilles five years or

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Speaker 3: seven years ago, it was done in a day. I

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Speaker 3: was in and out of the hospital a day, So

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Speaker 3: in a lot of other countries that's a five day operation,

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Speaker 3: or you're in the hospital for seventy So really good

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Speaker 3: at getting people in and out of the hospital, which

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Speaker 3: would save a lot of money. The problem is, each

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Speaker 3: day we spent in an American hospital costs five times

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Speaker 3: as it does five times as much as it does

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Speaker 3: in Switzerland or Germany or Scandinavi or any other wealthy

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Speaker 3: country that you can think of. So the problem in

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Speaker 3: America is that the price of the healthcare that we

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Speaker 3: deliver is way higher than it is elsewhere. And the

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Speaker 3: reason for that is because we've made eighty years of

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Speaker 3: policy mistakes at the federal level that have incentivized drug

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Speaker 3: companies and hospitals and doctors and lab test companies to

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Speaker 3: charge you more and more every year because you don't

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Speaker 3: pay directly for those services. You know, you think you

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Speaker 3: bought insurance, your employer bought it for you, and you

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Speaker 3: have no sense of what anything costs or what you

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Speaker 3: paid for anything, because you didn't directly pay for it.

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Speaker 1: So what are the parties offering right now for Democrat

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Speaker 1: Republican twenty twenty four healthcare solutions? One thing I asked

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Speaker 1: Clay about I was talking about this off Ara, is like,

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Speaker 1: does anything even have a healthcare plan that they're talking

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Speaker 1: about right now? What is it and what should it be?

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Speaker 1: Maybe more importantly, Yeah, so far, not much.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Biden hasn't really talked about much on healthcare other than,

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Speaker 3: you know, continuing to bail out Obamacare with more subsidies.

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Speaker 3: They did pass the Inflation Reduction Act Medicare prescription drug

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Speaker 3: price negotiation provisions last year, which I actually think is

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Speaker 3: reasonably good policy, and I can get into that if

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Speaker 3: you want, so. I'm different from a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 3: on that particular piece. I think it's actually the pro

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Speaker 3: free market thing to do to let Medicare negotiate drug

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Speaker 3: prices to a limited degree. But if you talked to

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Speaker 3: the Republican field, there's not a lot at all now

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Speaker 3: that could change. You know, it's still early in the campaign.

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Speaker 3: It's possible that you'll see some of the candidates in

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Speaker 3: the Republican field talk about healthcare more as the as

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Speaker 3: the campaign goes along, But as of now, we don't

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Speaker 3: have a lot of details from the candidates. The closest

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Speaker 3: we've gotten, I think is Nikki Haley, who said at

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Speaker 3: the last debate that she's very concerned about the federal

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Speaker 3: deficit and debt and flagged healthcare is one of the

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Speaker 3: causes of that. But she didn't get into a lot

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Speaker 3: of details as to what her plan would be.

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Speaker 1: So how do we fix it?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, at my think tank, the Foundation for

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Speaker 3: Research on Equal Opportunity, we've talked about how to fix

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Speaker 3: it for a long time. In fact, there's a bill

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Speaker 3: that's been introduced in Congress in both the House and

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Speaker 3: the Senate based on our work called the Fair Care Act,

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Speaker 3: and it's the main sponsors in the House are a

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Speaker 3: congressman from Arkansas and Bruce Westerman, one from Indiana named

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Speaker 3: Jim Banks, and then in the Senate it's an Indiana

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Speaker 3: Senator named Mike Brawn and basically the idea of the

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Speaker 3: Fair Care Act is pretty simple. Let's make healthcare less

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Speaker 3: expensive by unleashing the forces of competition innovation so that

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Speaker 3: people are competing for your business as a consumer. Let's

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Speaker 3: make sure that we're only subsidizing people who really need

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Speaker 3: to help. So one of the real things that we

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Speaker 3: do that's a mistake in America is you and I

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Speaker 3: pay taxes, and all your listeners pay taxes so that

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Speaker 3: Warren Buffett admit Romney can get some government subsidized healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Why don't we actually subsidize healthcare only for the people

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Speaker 3: who truly struggle to afford it, whether it's because they're vulnerable,

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Speaker 3: or they're sick, or they're low income or even middle

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Speaker 3: income people who just can't afford it. And let's stop

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Speaker 3: subsidizing healthcare for rich people. If we just stopped subsidizing

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Speaker 3: healthcare for rich people and allow people to buy the

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Speaker 3: insurance they want to buy instead of having it forced

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Speaker 3: upon them by their employer or the government, you'd unleash

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Speaker 3: enormous synergies in terms of savings. Because at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, what we all know about everything in

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Speaker 3: life is that if you're spending your own money, you're

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Speaker 3: going to be a lot more careful about how you

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Speaker 3: spend it. But if somebody else is spending somebody else's

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Speaker 3: money on your behalf, no one's going to care how

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Speaker 3: it's spent. And that's what allows everyone in the healthcare

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Speaker 3: industry to raise prices on you. So the left wing

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Speaker 3: solution to that is have the government run it even

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Speaker 3: more right, have price controls, restrict access to expensive things,

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Speaker 3: all the things that you see in all those single

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Speaker 3: payer countries. But there's a free market way to do this,

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Speaker 3: which is you should control the healthcare dollars that are

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Speaker 3: spent on your behalf. If you spend the money, just

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Speaker 3: like on everything else you do in life, you're going

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Speaker 3: to spend it wisely. And yes, let's make sure that

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Speaker 3: we help the people who truly truly need the help,

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Speaker 3: but that's a fraction of who we're subsidizing today.

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Speaker 1: Oviik easy question.

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Speaker 2: Example of that. I've had three kids. Fortunately they have

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Speaker 2: all had relatively smooth deliveries. We went and toward all

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Speaker 2: of the places in Nashville where you have children, you know, hospitals.

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Speaker 2: None of them could tell me what it was going

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Speaker 2: to cost. They could tell me that they were going

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Speaker 2: to have Wi Fi. They could tell me that they

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Speaker 2: were going to have bamboo floors, they could tell me

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Speaker 2: that we were going to have private waiting rooms. None

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Speaker 2: of them could tell me what having a.

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Speaker 1: Baby was going to cost.

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Speaker 2: And I just I couldn't get ask that when you

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Speaker 2: would tour and this is discretionary, right, I could choose

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Speaker 2: to go to this hospital or that hospital. In every

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Speaker 2: other facet there would be price competition. They couldn't even

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Speaker 2: tell me the cost.

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Speaker 3: Right, And there's no law preventing them from telling you

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Speaker 3: the cost. They just have no incentive to do so.

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Speaker 3: How crazy all the government distortions. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And if you.

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Speaker 2: Showed up to Conservaick, if you showed up to buy

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Speaker 2: a car and you just walked onto the car lot

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Speaker 2: and no one told you what a car cost, it

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Speaker 2: would be madness. Right, That's basically what happens oftentimes with healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Even when it's a discretionary time. You know, it's not

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Speaker 2: like this was an emergency. You can pick where you're.

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Speaker 3: Going absolutely, and so you know, one of the things

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Speaker 3: I tell conservative Republicans all the time is you hear

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Speaker 3: some people say it's not the federal government's job to

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Speaker 3: fix healthcare and make it more affordable for you. I

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Speaker 3: understand that sentiment, But what people need to understand is

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Speaker 3: the reason healthcare is so stupid and expensive and opaque

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Speaker 3: to the patient and the consumer is because the federal

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Speaker 3: government has been messing it up for eighty years. And

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Speaker 3: so it is important for members of Congress and senators

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Speaker 3: to fix the things that the federal government has messed up.

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Speaker 3: That Congress has messed up about healthcare for eighty years.

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Speaker 3: And price transparency is part of it, not just price transparency,

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Speaker 3: so you, as a patient or as a parent, can

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Speaker 3: know how much it's going to cost you to get

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Speaker 3: your baby delivered. But one of the things that the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration did that I think is a really positive

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Speaker 3: development that's going to improve healthcare over the next several

816
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Speaker 3: years is the Trump administration passed some a series of

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Speaker 3: regulations that force insurers and hospitals to be transparent about

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Speaker 3: the prices they negotiate with each other. So if Blue

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Speaker 3: Cross are United or at N or whichever insurance plan

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Speaker 3: you have, has negotiated a certain price for that delivery

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Speaker 3: of a baby at a particular hospital, now that has

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Speaker 3: to be disclosed to the public. Now, the hospitals have

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Speaker 3: been dragging your feet and disclosing that data, and that's

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Speaker 3: an area where the government has to be more. It

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Speaker 3: has to do more to enforce the transparency rules. But

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Speaker 3: once you have that data out there, then as an employer,

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Speaker 3: you can see whether or not your insuran has done

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Speaker 3: a good job of negotiating on your behalf, because sometimes

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Speaker 3: insurers are lazy, they don't actually do a good job

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Speaker 3: of negotiating on your behalf. Because actually, if healthcare prices

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Speaker 3: are higher and their operating margin is five percent of

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Speaker 3: a bigger number, they make more money. They actually make

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Speaker 3: more money if healthcare is more expensive in a paradoxical way.

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Speaker 3: So as a business, or as a consumer, or as

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Speaker 3: an individual, what you need to know is whether those

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Speaker 3: insurers are doing good job negotiating on your path. And

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Speaker 3: one way for you to do that is to pay

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Speaker 3: for the premium yourself instead of having someone pay the

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Speaker 3: premium for you. So another big reform and part of

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Speaker 3: the fair care is instead of what we do now,

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Speaker 3: which is given a big tax break to the employer,

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Speaker 3: if the employer buys health insurance for you, why not

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Speaker 3: give the money to you to buy the health insurance

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Speaker 3: that you want to buy. Then you really unleash these

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Speaker 3: forces of competition, just like the exists in other parts

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Speaker 3: of the economy. And that's what we got to do

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Speaker 3: if we want to not have a socialized system. And

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Speaker 3: I think the thing that Republicans do that concerns me

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Speaker 3: is they're so scarred by the experience of twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 3: not failing to repeal in replace Obamacare in seventeen, that

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Speaker 3: they just don't want to touch it. They're like, you

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Speaker 3: know what, we tried doing healthcare in seventeen. We got

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Speaker 3: our fingers burned on the stove. We don't want to

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Speaker 3: deal with it again. And that's a mistake, because healthcare

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Speaker 3: keeps getting more expensive. Just as you said, the polls

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Speaker 3: show that it's a top concern of voters. And if

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Speaker 3: Republicans and Conservatives don't have a reform that's going to work,

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Speaker 3: then people are going to turn to Democrats. And we

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Speaker 3: know what Democrats are going to support. They're going to

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Speaker 3: support public options, they're going to support single payer, they're

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Speaker 3: going to support removing even further the role of the

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Speaker 3: private sector in healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Ovic Roy, president of the Foundation for Research on equal opportunity.

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Speaker 1: OVIC always a pleasure, sir, Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Great to see both.

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Speaker 1: You're part of an audience that has plenty of entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: in their airspace? So we're looking into that. And then

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Speaker 1: Clay had mentioned the uh, the it's getting a lot

907
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Speaker 1: of attention on a few different levels out of questions. Okay,

908
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: So the congresswoman Bobert, who won a very very tight

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Speaker 1: re election race. Remember she was counted out and then

910
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: actually came back and won when they counted all the votes.

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00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: She is, to my recollection, a great vote in the Congress, like,

912
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Speaker 1: very solid, very reliable as a conservative. I've interviewed her

913
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I don't really it has. We've

914
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: had her on the show. We've had we've had her

915
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of times.

916
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: I think maybe we should reach out now invite her

917
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: on again to see what she wants to say about

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Speaker 2: this Ali.

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00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, So here's the thing. So she's all of

920
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, the media is getting very puritanical over some stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean what I say, Clave, cand I get I'll

923
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: give you credit for this, but it's amazing there's a

924
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: woman running for state office in Virginia, for the State

925
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Speaker 1: House in Virginia who was effectively doing online pornography for

926
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Speaker 1: a profit, and that is that is fine, and it

927
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: is somehow feminist to vote for this woman. According to

928
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Speaker 1: Democrats Lauren Bobert. There's some video and you know, a

929
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: guy's getting a little getting a little handsy with her.

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00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: I think, is that's what we was a little handsy

931
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Speaker 1: in a theater, in a darkened theater and a beetlejuice.

932
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Speaker 1: Here's what I did not know this. This is the

933
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Speaker 1: first thing that I think about at do they have

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Speaker 1: Do they have night vision cameras going in theaters all

935
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Speaker 1: across America? Like a Broadway plays and things like this,

936
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Speaker 1: Like so when the lights go down, are they recording

937
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: everything going on with night vision in the theater? Because

938
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Speaker 1: how else? Because I mean, it's it's not a binladen raid,

939
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Speaker 1: Like where did this night vision come from? They must

940
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have no own that either.

941
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Speaker 2: I mean, and I you know, if I'm in a Broadway,

942
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Speaker 2: I can see why they might do that because for

943
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Speaker 2: lawsuits or security related reasons they may be. I guess

944
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Speaker 2: they do have some sort of night vision cameras. Maybe

945
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Speaker 2: they have security monitoring the audience to make sure that

946
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Speaker 2: everything's same.

947
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even thought about this, but.

948
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Speaker 2: They leaked this video and Bobert is in a you know,

949
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Speaker 2: what I would describe as a sexy dress on a date.

950
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Speaker 2: I believe she got divorced in the last year or so,

951
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Speaker 2: and she and her She and her date are a

952
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Speaker 2: little bit handsy in the dark during the theater, and

953
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Speaker 2: then she got kicked out, I think for vaping or something.

954
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Speaker 2: We'll invite her on. We'll see if she wants to

955
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Speaker 2: take us through the They went to go see Beetlejuice,

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Speaker 2: I think in a Denver area.

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Speaker 1: Theater, not a movie the play. I didn't know Beetlejuice

958
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Speaker 1: was a play.

959
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Speaker 2: But the thing that is interesting to me about this

960
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: buck is there are lots of people on the left

961
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Speaker 2: who have said Bobert has to resign over this. If

962
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: you haven't heard this controversy, it's out there. But they

963
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: simultaneously are saying it's very brave of this woman in

964
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Speaker 2: Virginia to have been making sex tapes and selling them,

965
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Speaker 2: and that she is a victim. And so I don't

966
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Speaker 2: understand how your standard for behavior for Bobert can be.

967
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Speaker 2: You aren't allowed to basically kind of get a little

968
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: bit handsy in a theater. Again, the only reason we

969
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Speaker 2: know about it is because of night vision, but that

970
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: that is unacceptable behavior for a congress person. But simultaneously,

971
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: it's wrong to judge a woman who actually made sex

972
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Speaker 2: tapes and sold them online and now wants to represent

973
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 2: the state of Virginia. Like, to me, your standard should

974
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: be the same on this, and at a minimum, you

975
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: should be tougher on the on the person who actually

976
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Speaker 2: made sex tapes as opposed to the person who may

977
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Speaker 2: have gotten a little bit of handsy during a play.

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Speaker 1: Right, to be clear, Bobert has apologized, so she has

979
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Speaker 1: apologies or a conic because I'm gonna say something. I

980
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: think she's been a very good vote in Congress and

981
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: has has won some really interesting races.

982
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Speaker 2: I am.

983
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Speaker 1: I am ferociously protective of the theater goer environment. And

984
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Speaker 1: you do you do hate people with pull out for anything?

985
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: This is not political for me. People that are people

986
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: that start talking on their phones during the movie. People

987
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: who all of a sudden think that the hey, no

988
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: recording allowed means well, but I have to record for

989
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: my Instagram whatever's going on on stage. Like I am

990
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: the voice that shouts out from the darkness. Literally, I

991
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Speaker 1: am the voice that shouts out from the darkness in

992
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: those situations, because you know, the civilization needs rules. Clay,

993
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner in New York and if

994
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Speaker 1: I remember, you had to go do like a television

995
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Speaker 1: hit or something and me, my wife, you're talking about

996
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: tables because there was a loud table of Ruffians nearby.

997
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of guys that I hate to

998
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: cast dispersions. They felt like they were from New Jersey

999
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: in the steakhouse. Wow, I feel like, hey, this is

1000
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: a common thing in New York City, right, the Bridge

1001
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Speaker 2: and Tunnel crowd. These did not feel like Manhattan natives.

1002
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Speaker 2: And I went to GW. I know a lot about

1003
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Speaker 2: the Jersey, the Jersey universe, all right, so, uh, these

1004
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: loud I would call them New Jerseyans. We're sitting there,

1005
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: the three of us, Buck walked. I can't tell you

1006
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Speaker 2: how loud they were. I mean, this is like a

1007
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Speaker 2: table of fifteen they were. It was all dudes, and

1008
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Speaker 2: they were super loud. To be fair, they were very

1009
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: very loud. But Carrie was like, Buck is going to

1010
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: lose his mind when he comes back in. Like I'm paraphrasing,

1011
00:53:59,239 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1012
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: That was exactly I think she said that. I think

1013
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: she said that, yeah.

1014
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: And so but.

1015
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: Sits down.

1016
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: It might have been forty five seconds and he immediately

1017
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: stands back up and he's like, I can't do this,

1018
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: and so we got we got moved. So to your

1019
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: point on I can only imagine that if Bobert had

1020
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: been vaping and you would have lost it Democrat or

1021
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: Republican behind her, I will say this, I think that

1022
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: I would have had I would I would have had

1023
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Speaker 2: no issue with this, like in the grand scheme of things, right, Like,

1024
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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge I I am more troubled by

1025
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: having to sit through a musical than I am by

1026
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: people making out in the crowd during the musical.

1027
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Right, I hate musicals for everybody out there.

1028
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: Hopefully we don't have a huge musical audience that's you know,

1029
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: a huge Broadway Broadway listenership. When people sing on the stage,

1030
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: I just think all the time this immediately like people

1031
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: don't do this, and maybe I'm weird on this.

1032
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: I can't do a musical.

1033
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: As soon as people start singing and dancing around on

1034
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: the stage, I'm like, this would never happen in real

1035
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: real life.

1036
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: I can't. It takes me completely out.

1037
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Speaker 2: Of the play, actual play where people you know, talk

1038
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: and there's a story and there's no singing. I have

1039
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: no issue with so I would have no issue with

1040
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Bobert and her date making out. I would have more

1041
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: of an issue with the Beetlejuice musical in general, which

1042
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: sounds miserable to have to attend to me. But if

1043
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: your standard is what is the proper decorum for someone

1044
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: who seeks to represent others, it seems like sex tape

1045
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: would be like far more significant in terms of a

1046
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: disqualifying event than making out during a during a play.

1047
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Speaker 1: Can I throw this out there? I feel like we

1048
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: are entering a period in politics where increasingly the contingent

1049
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: of people who will make the case that personal conduct

1050
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: short of illegality. And I mean really, and people are

1051
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, what about hundred hunters not in office? But

1052
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, and Joe, we haven't proven yet, but you know,

1053
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: give it time. But basically, personal conduct no longer matters

1054
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: for elected for people that are going to be an

1055
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: elected office, or et cetera. I think that you'd have

1056
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people that make that claim now, which

1057
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: is different than it used to be. You know, we

1058
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: had the standard here has shifted, you know, you can

1059
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: your personal life can be a little bit more what's

1060
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: the word, a little more common scene.

1061
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Speaker 3: Here.

1062
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: Here's what I here's what I would say, Buck. I

1063
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: agree with that on some level. I actually think it's

1064
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: worse than that. I think it's whatever my side does

1065
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: is okay, no matter what it is, whatever the other

1066
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Speaker 2: side does.

1067
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm a hanging judge.

1068
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: So you have absolutely no leniency at all for the opposition,

1069
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: and yet for your side, you will allow basically.

1070
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Speaker 1: Anything to give be given. Package. I'd co sign that

1071
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: if you let me. That. That is where we are. So,

1072
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people that will excuse

1073
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: it's situational excusing. But if a Republican does something and

1074
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: you're you know, you'll get a lot of Republicans down

1075
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, it's not illegal. It's not you know,

1076
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: it's well impeachable, and it's a whole other thing, but

1077
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: it's not illegal. So not my problem as long as

1078
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: they vote the way that I want, or as long

1079
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Speaker 1: as they stand for the things that I like. Democrats, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats have kind of always been there. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm not sure they really had much of a

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Speaker 1: standard where it came to this stuff. You look at like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Kennedys, and there's.

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Speaker 2: Not caring, but these and the Clintons get away, but

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Speaker 2: then they kicked over this stupid me too thing out

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Speaker 2: Franklin like pantomimes grabbing somebody's boobs and they kick him out.

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Speaker 1: So like it's very like that was a politically expedient

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Speaker 1: panic button for them. Yeah, that's it right. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: like the standard change permanently. It was just okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll push frankin aside on this one. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Franken is a jerk. But do I think it?

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Speaker 4: Well, you think Teddy Kennedy killed round a woman in

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Speaker 4: his car that he was clearly driving drunk and we

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Speaker 4: all know it, and he tried to concoct an alibi,

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Speaker 4: and you know, heaven knows what was if he was

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Speaker 4: trying to make a move on this young woman or whatever,

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Speaker 4: and they didn't even care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't even care. There's actually a chap equitic

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Speaker 1: movie that came out a few yearsgo. I think it

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Speaker 1: was made by some conservatives. It was a good movie.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it. They did adsport on my

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Speaker 1: radio show Clay and I saw it because I was like,

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Speaker 1: this sounds interesting, and Democrats were totally fine with it.

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Speaker 1: So your point about the situational nature of it is

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Speaker 1: absolutely true. But Democrats used to say, we have standards

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Speaker 1: of moral conduct for politicians, and then they would selectively

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Speaker 1: excuse I think now it's democrats.

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Speaker 2: They don't even pretend to have those standards for democrats.

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Speaker 2: It's just what's happening. Is the way I would assess it,

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Speaker 2: Buck is, this is sports. This is how sports fandom works.

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Speaker 2: Your star quarterback can do almost anything, and you will

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Speaker 2: excuse his behavior and say, as long as he plays like,

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Speaker 2: we'll defend it.

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Speaker 1: I have seen this because you know, I'll see when

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Speaker 1: Clay is Clay likes to get very feisty on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You know, I tend to be a little more low key.

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Speaker 1: Clay likes to throw down with with with you know

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Speaker 1: user number seven two five nine, who's given. I used

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Speaker 1: to do it more.

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Speaker 2: I used to get in more scraps, but I've I've

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Speaker 2: dialed back my social media usage.

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Speaker 1: But I'll see this in the Clay scraps sometimes, and

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to see that people will if like a

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Speaker 1: accused of a major crime or role in the fans

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Speaker 1: of that team are like all of a sudden, don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear it, Like you're a bad person for

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Speaker 1: bringing that up. That's that's a surprise, that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: the situational ethics. It's basically fandom come to politics. Where

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Speaker 1: as long as somebody makes yours team more likely to win,

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Speaker 1: you will defend anything they do. And the moment that

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Speaker 1: you'll defend them to the degree. And then the minute

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Speaker 1: be a hanging jury. To me, what should happen is

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Speaker 2: Used to be the media did that buck. Now the

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