WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 041622 Are Black People Overcharged for Housing? (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now watching my mic back, you're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:14.280 You can strikes with waters from headquarters behind him and the. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.120 Word if you're just tuning in the civic cipher, I'm 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:20.439 your host, Rams is Jah and my name is Quintin. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.480 But since we're friends and you guys listen to the show, 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:26.360 I guess you can call me que. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.600 Yes, indeed, stick around because we still have a lot 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:34.159 more to talk about, not the least of which is housing. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.279 I want to talk about housing, man. These prices are 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.000 out of control, man, This inflation rate is I mean, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.360 I got two V eight's, so you know I'm filling 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.520 them gas prices man. But yeah, housing obviously is something 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.920 that we need to talk about, and I think that, uh, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.000 this is National Fair Housing Month or the anniversary of 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.760 the Fair Housing Acts, so I definitely want to talk 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.920 about that as well, and a few other things that 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.160 are worth sticking around for. So stay tuned. But first 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.720 we are going to talk about how to become a 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.240 better ally. Bye by So I'll start us off. This 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.840 one comes from inside themagic dot net, which I know 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.319 doesn't sound like the most reputable of sources, but I 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.840 can assure you there are other reputable sources I just 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.240 like the way this was written. We're going to talk 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.959 about Disney become a better ally. How about that Disney 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.520 with all the racist cartoons and all the They've had 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.160 a long road right to get where they are. But 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.120 it just shows that, you know, there's a there's a 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.759 redemption arc in the story here. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.360 Once you become a multi billion dollar corporation, then yeah, 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.680 I guess you can start trying. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.840 To be nice. Yeah, well, you know, we'll take it though. Man, Hey, listen, man, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.960 we all got to get there together, all right, So 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.160 I'll read. In a groundbreaking statement for the Walt Disney Company, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.720 corporate president Carrie Burke has shared that she is committed 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.520 to having fifty percent of all Disney characters be lgbt 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:08.600 QIA and racial minorities. Disney Corporate President Gary Buke says quote, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.679 as the mother of one transgender child and one pan 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:17.000 sexual child, she supports having many, many, many lgbtqi A 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.400 characters in our stories and wants a minimum of fifty 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:25.280 percent of characters to be lgbtquia and racial minorities. Now, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.800 the interesting thing here is there are a lot of 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.280 people who feel like Disney is being too woke and 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.480 they try to attack Disney. I found this in this 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.320 article and I just want to share it. Normally I 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.880 don't do this, but I think it makes an excellent point. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.359 So there's a Twitter user, we'll shout her out. It's 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:47.080 at Lori Hirip says, quote she wants fifty percent of 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.520 characters to be LGBTQUI A plus and racial minorities. This 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.080 is the US perspective. Forty two percent of the US 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.360 is not white, five point six percent of the US 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.680 is openly LGBTQI A plus, and Disney is a global company. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.280 Around eighty four percent of the world is not white. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.679 Around ten percent of the world is lgbtq IA plus 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:11.320 and fifty movie representation is fair. So shout out to 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:21.040 them for becoming a better ally. Now you're a homeowner. Indeed, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.000 I'm a homeowner. It's kind of a good time to 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.760 be a homeowner. Yeah, it's tough time to be in 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.560 the market. Oh no, no, not at all, not at all. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.040 We did a story this might have been about a 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.800 year ago. Man, it's crazy how we're reminiscing so much 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.320 the show. But you know, this goes to show you 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.800 that these are this is the path we have to walk. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.360 We can't do an episode or pass a piece of 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.840 legislation and then everything changes overnight. This is you know 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.720 that we're in this for the long game. But we 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:02.960 did do an episode where we talked about whitewashing. I 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.040 believe a home. I have some notes here a little later, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.880 so I'll touch on it a bit more. But effectively, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.440 what it was is black people listing their house for 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.200 sale or sorry, getting the appraisals on their house. That 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.159 was what it was, and it would appraise at whatever 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.680 dollar amount, and then they would go through and take 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.640 all their pictures of their family and replace it with 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.880 pictures of a white family, and then have a white 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.760 woman or man meet the appraiser at the house, and 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.479 then lo and behold, the appraisals shot up in value. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.279 So we did this story before, but now we're going 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.920 to talk about renting as well. So I'm going to 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.080 read a bit. This comes from CBS News. The author 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:50.520 is Christopher J. Brooks. I got this on April thirteenth. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.039 Black and Hispanic Americans are paying extra money to secure 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.599 rental housing in the US compared to compared with whites, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.200 according to Zillo. For those who don't know, Zilo is 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.080 kind of an app that helps you find a rental 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.760 I believe, and also if you want to buy a house, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.520 I have the Zillo app on my phone. It's actually 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.920 pretty cool, all right. In a report this week, the 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.800 real estate data firm said that, regardless of race, Americans 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.320 paid an average of seven hundred dollars in security deposits 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.840 when renting an apartment, Yet renters of color paid seven 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.560 hundred and fifty dollars, while white renters paid six hundred. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.160 White renters typically paid fifty dollars for a rental application fee, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:37.000 while black Americans paid sixty five. Hispanic applicants paid eighty dollars, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.320 and Asian Americans paid one hundred dollars. People of color 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.000 also typically must submit more rental applications in order to 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.279 find a place to live, as well as pay more 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:54.360 in related fees than white renters. Zillo concluded. Zilo attributed 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.160 the higher fees and number of housing applications for renters 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.400 of color partially to their noting that they tend to 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.080 be two years younger than the median white renter. White 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.120 Americans also are more likely to rent in rural areas 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.640 and in the Midwest, which are typically cheaper, but racial 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.159 disparities and rental costs also suggest many landlords often violate 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.760 federal law, said Dan Carbett of Housing Opportunities Made Equal, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.760 a nonprofit in upstate New York that fights housing discrimination. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.400 For example, some housing providers can sidestep fair housing laws 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.600 by charging higher application fees for people with subpar credit scores, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.880 which tends to disproportionately affect lower income renters. Real quick 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.640 to any surprises here so far, anything jump out of 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:45.680 you is like, Wow, I couldn't have possibly imagined that. Sadly, no, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:50.680 my friend, you know what, while I'm here, I want 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:56.920 to share a quick story. When I was about seventeen 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:02.080 years old, I got a job at a place called 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.920 Brown and Brown Nissan, and my job was to sell 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:15.400 ex Terras and Maximas and Frontiers and Centras. Two people. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.679 You know, people would come in on the lot after 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.840 we sent out like the Sunday paper. They'd come in 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.280 and say, hey, you have one of these cars. I 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.240 want a blue one. I want it for this price. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.320 They'd walk on the lot. I was the person that 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:27.840 would go and greet them and say, all right, let's 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.480 go check out your car. I'd get the keys, take 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.840 them on a test drive the whole bit car salesman. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.400 And as I've shared on the show many times, you know, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.480 I've always been this version of myself. I was very 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:45.480 fortunate and that I was raised by. My father was 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:51.240 a minister, very educated minister. He had earned his doctorate, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.720 and he knew who he was. He stood in the 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.480 middle of his blackness, and he stood in the middle 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.360 of his faith, and he taught his son to stand 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.920 in the middle of his blackness, in the middle of 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:12.880 his faith. I found something out while I was working 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:18.360 there that troubled me. It still troubles me to this day. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:26.640 Nissan was guilty of charging higher interest rates to black 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:32.480 people who bought cars from them across the board, all 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.440 things being equal, if you had more melanin, you paid 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:41.360 more an interest on your car loan. They had to 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.440 eat that and we all knew it. And then guess 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.040 who didn't work at Brown and Brown Nissan anymore. Now 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.920 that wasn't Nissan Corporate that handled all the financing. But 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.600 still one of those things that just kind of eats 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:59.040 at you, you know, and you know, for me, I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.000 carry this burden with me. At some point I pray 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.840 that I won't have to carry it anymore. But I 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:13.160 carry this burden with me which tells me that I 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:19.000 need to make sure that I'm working with someone who 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:24.800 is white and not working for someone who is white. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.800 And I'll break that down because I know that's that 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:32.800 might be a lot to hear, but working for somebody 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:39.320 is it Kind's a there's a power in that relationship 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.720 that I don't like if they say the wrong thing, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.640 if they do the wrong thing. They might be the 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.760 most well intentioned person in the world, right but if 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.920 they say the wrong thing, you know, it just hits 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.120 the ear a little funny. And I owe it to 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.680 the ancestors, you know, for those people that don't have 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.640 those connections, that haven't read the story. I know I 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.520 sound crazy, but I owe it to people who lived 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.800 hard and short lives, whose bodies are buried in the 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:12.120 ground right here where I am right here to not 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:17.240 get pushed around, bossed around, forced around by someone who 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.320 doesn't appreciate my worth as a human being. And so 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.840 it's those relationships where I feel like I'm working with 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:29.160 someone where I tend to flourish. I feel like I'm 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.920 working for someone that will be a short lived arrangement, 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.160 you know, not to say that I haven't had you 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.080 know that in my life, because I have, you know, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.600 But I say that to say that, this brown and 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:45.960 brown Nissan story, it just made me. It made my 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:53.280 stomach turn because I sold cars to black women who 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:58.360 had kids, who were excited to get a CenTra E 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.240 CenTra as the small Nissan, you know, a basic entry 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.680 level car. They were excited to get a Center. I 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.480 sold that car to that woman and she drove it 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.520 to the South Side and parked it in front of 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.520 her house. And for the next six months she was 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.240 all the way on kept it blotched. I know that. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.160 And she was paying more for that car, unfairly paying 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.480 more for that car. And I was a link in 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.640 that chain, and I couldn't stomach it, and I didn't 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:30.040 work there anymore. Right, But I'm telling you that so 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.600 that you know how I relate to this housing story, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:41.120 how black people are charged more for the same things. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.400 And it's not a matter of like could we afford 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.400 it or anything like that. It's just a hurtful thing. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.400 It was a hurtful thing because we were talking about 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.200 a couple of dollars here and there. That's not going 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.200 to make or break anybody, you know what I mean? Overall, Yes, 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.720 if we're talking about the whole population, then sure, yeah, 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:02.360 you're extracting or Black folks as a population are losing 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.240 a degree of wealth, you know. But individual households, you know, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.679 going from fifty dollars to sixty five dollars doesn't make 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.320 or break anymore. But what it does to you psychologically 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:19.640 is way more profound. And remember this was over twenty 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.760 years ago when I was selling these cars, a brown 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.679 and brown Nissan. So me reading this when I was 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.920 preparing for today's show, lets me know that even though 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.960 we've come so far in the past twenty years, we've 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.400 elected a black president, right, you know, we've we've done 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.360 a lot in the past twenty years, and then there's 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.640 still so much further to go. There's so many other 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.680 things we have to deal with. I'd almost rather it 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.920 be a car than a house. I wish you can 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.080 get a used car maybe, or even you know, buy 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:01.480 private owner. You know, these application fees or you get 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:06.800 the point. I'll continue. Bias in housing persists in part 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.440 because people who may be subject to discrimination often do 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.600 not report it, adding that victims often never discover they 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.800 are paying higher fees or face a higher rate of 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:23.160 rejection than white renters. Anyone who paid more money for 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.080 housing during an unequal application process can sue the provider 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.959 and have the money refunded. Corbett said, However, that often 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:38.240 involves a lengthy, expensive court battle. Now, before I finish this, Q, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.920 I want to get your thoughts. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.480 It's interesting that there are many things that we talk 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:53.560 about that, as you stated, don't surprise us, but we're 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:58.800 not numb to it. It still gives you that sick 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.760 to your stomach kind of sense of disbelief that we're 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.440 still dealing with these same types of problems they have 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.040 all they don't go away. They seemingly multiply, like they 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:17.720 find different ways to sow that indoctrination into different areas 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.600 of our lives. Someone has to write out policy like that, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:29.040 or they have to in some sort of gathering or 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.440 rate policy like that, and everyone present has to be 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:38.200 okay with it for it to go further. And that's 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.200 the part that's even more disturbing. We try to pretend 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.120 that we're better as a society and we've made all 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.880 this progress, but people have to come together in groups 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.000 and agree to make these kind of decisions and are 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.520 able to go home to their families, their wives, their kids, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:58.240 their husbands, and smile and look themselves in the mirror 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.320 and be okay with the idea that, yes, I'm going 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.760 to make life more difficult for these people based exclusively 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.720 on the way that they look. And this indoctrination and 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:16.320 this way of thinking has been a truth for tens 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:20.760 of millions of people, for the entire for the entirety 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.800 of their family lineage. And we're thinking as we go 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.120 over those statistics about the percentages of the world that 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.960 are not white, and let you know why they hold 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.640 on so tight to those positions of power so they 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.920 can continue to push forward these ways of thinking and 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:43.600 keep themselves with the most leverage so that they can 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:52.760 continue to minimize, marginalize, punished, segregate, make life less pleasurable 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.360 for people that look like you and I and our kids. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.200 Sometimes it makes me really angry. Days like today just 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.440 makes me really sad. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:07.080 And I think that that's that's important, because that that 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:13.320 word sad is is a great one right here, you know, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.640 because it's I mean, it's it's it definitely can make 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.840 someone angry, but it's more, it's more like why what 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:26.479 what is the point? What? What? What? Why punish us? 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.000 You know? And the crazy part about this is, you know, 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:35.080 as as I mentioned in the article, you know, as individuals, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.920 we don't realize it. You know what I mean. This 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.240 is if that's the application for you, that's the application 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.000 for you, sixty five dollars shut you know, so be it. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.960 But then when you find out on the back end, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.360 oh that's what you went up to, you don't you 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.320 just rather like imagine feeling that way, you know, we 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.480 we we we didn't get a chance to really delve 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.200 into the story. But we have mentioned on the show 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:05.639 before the way people who own airbnbs will treat black 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.399 renters when they want to rent the Airbnb. If they 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.240 find out that the renter is black, they'll cancel the reservation, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.439 do all this sort of stuff. And there's been there was, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.760 you know, reported a lot of discrimination on Airbnb, right, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.800 so much so that Airbnb had to kind of step 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.200 in and do their best to prevent their users from 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.680 you know, behaving that way. And then it just kind 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.000 of gives you a glimpse into the world because you know, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.080 in our day to day lives, it doesn't feel like 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.080 these people hate us, so there's enough of them to 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.120 really make a difference. We go to the grocery store, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.399 We raise our kids, you know, we you know, I 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.679 go to my son's school and I wave it all 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.760 the parents there and they're all nice, and the teachers 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.640 and you know, all different color people. We get along great. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.800 You know. This is the way that I think the 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.240 world works. And then you end up having to deal 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.560 with these sobering statistics and the sobering reality where it's like, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.320 deep down somewhere, there's a good number of people who 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.600 really harbor some strange feelings, and they're based off of what, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:17.119 you know, prejudices that are you know, centuries old, that 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:23.480 are untrue. They're based in racism, you know. And then 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.800 it's so hard for people to challenge themselves because of 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.960 cognitive dissonance. Is so hard for people to even know, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.800 you know, that they're the ones doing the wrong. It's 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.439 hard for people to be the bad guy in their 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:43.480 own story, right, And so this is a glimpse into 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.600 a reality that you know, unless you're a black person 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.560 or a Hispanic person, you know, this might not ever 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.639 be a real thing for you. So you might not 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.439 ever have to feel it in addition to feeling every 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:05.639 single other thing. You know, we watched Katanji Brown Jackson 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:12.760 get berated over all kind of nonsense, you know, we 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:18.399 got Yeah to a person like us, it's like, well, shoot, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:24.960 how how much more perfect can you be than perfect? What? What? 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.560 What do you? What? What is there? You know, this 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.280 is not the first time we've seen this. We saw 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.480 it with Obama. We you know, we've seen this sort 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.480 of thing happen. But it just and and and to 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.160 be fair, she made it so we're good, we got 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.120 you know, we're okay, you know what I mean, it's 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.080 a happy time. We're not. We're not. It's all not 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.000 doom and gloom. But it just serves to remind us 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.200 of exactly what it takes and how difficult and how 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.440 unfair it is. You know, it's possible now because it's 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.600 been proven to be possible, But just because it's possible 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.160 doesn't mean and it's likely probable any of those things, 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.879 And so we're still left with more or less the 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.200 same reality we've always lived in. I'm sorry I cut you. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.680 Off ahead too, like you're just far more generous than 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.480 me in cases like this, possible as the standard, it's 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.040 possible to run across the five lane highway. It's possible. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.120 It's not likely or safe or the best decision to make, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.800 but it's possible. Like it reminds us that perfection was 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.400 never the goal line or the finish line or the 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:35.000 standard anyway, because even when we present the most qualified, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.680 most polished candidate, they just moved the goal line. They 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.720 moved the finish line. Okay, that's not what we meant. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.520 We meant you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do that. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.800 And it doesn't matter how great of an orator you are, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.800 what Ivory League school you attended. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.280 Let me jump in real quick, real quick, because you 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.280 said something that was spot on about them moving the 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.320 goal line, no matter how qualified you are. That's literally 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.160 what we're talking about here, to make it more difficult 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.520 for you by increasing the charges and the fees and 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.520 the rents and all this sort of stuff. But I 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:06.320 cut you off. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.320 Go ahead, No, No, continued, I said what I intended to. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.360 There is no version of us that's enough for the 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.800 person that's decided that as a people, we're not. 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:18.119 They'll tell you. 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.840 Because everyone wants to come across as a decent person. 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:22.920 Right, So they'll tell you it's about us. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.919 Being criminals and about us being scary, and about us 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.600 being uneducated, and about us being violent. But even when 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.560 you're none of those things, then it's going to just 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.679 be about something else. Yeah, it's a standard that you 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.480 can't reach because it's not intended for you too. You've 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.120 checked every box and just put more boxes on there. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:47.800 Okay, we didn't do this. Yeah, that sounds like those 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.240 those tests they used to make people take when they 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.320 when they wanted to vote. Doctor Westernberg talked about that 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.480 she's a good friend of the show. You should listen 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.080 to the show or go back and check out some 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.200 previous episodes on CIVI except for Doc that feature her. 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.440 She will change your life, all right, I do want 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.760 to read this. This year we celebrate the fifty fourth 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.760 anniversary of the Fair Housing Act. The landmark law was 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.920 signed in the law on April eleven, nineteen sixty eight, 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.320 by President Lyndon B. Johnson. The Fair Housing Act prohibits 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.960 housing discrimination because of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, disability, 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.920 and familial status. Noticed race was first, and I did 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:29.280 cover that in my other show, Our Daily Story. If 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:35.680 you want to check that out on iHeart Podcasts. I'd 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.680 highly recommend it if you're interested in pursuing fair housing 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.600 or you know someone they're dealing with that. And I 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.080 do want to also put some names with a couple 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.600 of stories for the show that we talked about last 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:55.000 time the appraisers came out to do the whitewashed houses. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.600 Those stories. There was an Indianapolis woman, her name was 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.840 Carlotte Duffy. She was one of the women who whitewashed 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.040 her house, got a friend to a white friend to 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.639 stand in change all the pictures around, and got more 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.000 money out of her house. And then there was a 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.399 Bay Area family Tanisha Tate Austin and Paul Austin. I 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:17.320 want to say their names because they both were stories 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.240 that we talked about on the show and they had 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:25.159 to go through that in order for us to be 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.240 able to talk about it and kind of put some breathe, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.879 some life into that. But yeah, these are real things 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.520 that really happened to real people every day. And for 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:39.040 those of you listening to this show, it's not lost 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.800 on us that you are doing your best to learn 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.000 how to become a better brother, sister, or whatever to 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.359 Black people, and we are going to keep that same 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.679 energy when it comes to doing the same for you. 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:59.199 Now it's time for the Way Black History effect. This 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.359 one comes from With's hisstory dot Org I talk about 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:08.439 Ruby Bridges. She is a very special person to me. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.680 I just love her story. This is a story that 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:14.040 I didn't know a lot of these, you know, I 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.480 kind of learned them right around the time I'm gonna 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.600 get these off. But I've known about Ruby Bridges for 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.639 some time. And the good thing about Ruby Bridges is 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.000 she's still alive, still breathing. So shout out to her 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.080 for even that. This is some recent Black history But 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.080 it'll sound like a way Black History fact, because I 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.600 guess in effect it is. I'll read. At the tender 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.639 age of six, Ruby Bridges advanced the cause of civil 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:41.880 rights in November nineteen sixty when she became the first 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:46.080 African American student to integrate an elementary school in the South. 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.399 Born on September eighth, nineteen fifty four, Bridges was the 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.720 oldest of five children for Lucille and Abon Bridges farmers 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.600 in Tylertown, Mississippi. When Ruby was two years old, her 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.600 parents moved their family to New Orleans, Louisiana, in search 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.760 for better work opportunities. Ruby's birth year coincided with the U. S. 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.359 Supreme Court's landmark ruling in Brown versus the Board of 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:13.320