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Speaker 3: Greetings, Welcome back in hour three of the program. Curizing

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Speaker 3: Did I get all of your accolades and accomplishments in

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Speaker 5: You really nailed it.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go out to the hotline now. Time dude

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Speaker 3: check in on what's going on here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: The Jazz and the Lakers getting after it. So we

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Speaker 3: bring on NBA Insider, our guy, Mark Medina, who's on

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Speaker 3: the scene covering it all, joins us each and every

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Speaker 4: Mark, Welcome in at Mark g underscore.

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Speaker 3: Medina, what did you think of the first half Lebron

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Speaker 3: james reintroduction to society?

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Speaker 7: Well, it was very underwhelming. I felt like you're seeing

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Speaker 7: a superstar all of a sudden, play like a role

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Speaker 7: on offense but can't really defend. But I guess that's

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Speaker 7: what you would expect for someone who's four years old

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Speaker 7: and hasn't played for fourteen games and is very noticeably

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Speaker 7: tired every time he stepped on the floor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did talk about having the lungs of a baby.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he still does. You know what was

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Speaker 7: fascinating when the Lakers honored him and then shouting him

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Speaker 7: out that he is the first player in NBA history

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Speaker 7: to play twenty three seasons. He looked up at the

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Speaker 7: scoreboard and was smiling Lacklin teammates. But he seems so

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Speaker 7: so I thought it was pretty fitting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there's actually, I mean there's a tinge

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Speaker 6: because I mean twenty I mean, if you think about

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Speaker 6: twenty three seasons, Mark, and I know you've covered this

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Speaker 6: people who get tired with greatness, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: I mean, is there a way.

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Speaker 6: To quantify in any way using words alone, what Lebron

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think it's literally unprecedented. There is

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Speaker 7: he is complaining and all Star caliber level every single season.

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Speaker 7: And we clearly see he's not the same player as

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Speaker 7: saying lead into his return. I talked with different outside

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Speaker 7: But when it comes to longevity and consistently playing at

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Speaker 7: So you know, I think we have to keep that

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Speaker 3: Means we all need to get on board that seven

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Speaker 4: The market is really what that does.

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Speaker 3: Or become part cyborg as perhaps we've surmised Lebron has

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Speaker 3: been low these many years. But one of my considerations

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, so far well hanging through Bronnie James is

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Speaker 7: do zero, So no doubt it's a domino effect, right,

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Speaker 7: now they've been playing nine players steep, but that's going

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Speaker 7: be a long integration process. He mentioned the domino effect

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Speaker 7: that Lebron's going to play around thirty four to thirty

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Speaker 7: how do they find that happy medium? You know, Lebron

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Speaker 7: he can adjust as a score facilitator, mix of both.

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Speaker 7: But how does the rest of the team adapt to him?

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Speaker 7: The low hanging fruit obviously is and most importantly is

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Speaker 7: wanted to have some semblance of roster death to address

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Speaker 7: And when you're integrating a star of Lebron James, is

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Speaker 6: No question about it? Mark Medina joining us. You know,

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Speaker 6: I look at Lebron James as really being the final say,

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Speaker 6: I mean, clearly he was responsible in some part for

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Speaker 6: JJ Reddick's higher with the Lakers. I mean clearly him

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Speaker 6: playing with his son was more his decision than anybody

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Speaker 6: else is in the franchise's decision. So I mean, how

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Speaker 7: I think when you look at the big picture with

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Speaker 7: he often drives the car, but he doesn't manage the

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Speaker 7: to happen here as a pertains to who's calling the shots?

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Speaker 7: I think from an availability standpoint, a minute standpoint, I

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Speaker 7: think that the Lakers will defer to Lebron his personal

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Speaker 7: trainer Mike Mancy, as well as the training staff. But

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Speaker 7: as far as what his role is going to be,

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Speaker 7: I think frankly that will be up to JJ Reddick

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Speaker 7: Luka Dancic is there. If Luca wasn't there, Lebron would

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Speaker 7: have more influence, but that's not the case. I talked

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Speaker 7: reality with the fact that he's on the final year

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Speaker 7: and so I think from an availability standpoint again minutes,

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Speaker 7: it will be mostly Lebron and his trainers calling the shots.

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Speaker 7: But as far as what his role will be, I

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Speaker 4: On the spectrum.

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Speaker 3: They just had a pretty cool graphic mark that went

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Speaker 3: up eighty two players were born after Lebron's debut on

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Speaker 7: That's wild. I mean, if you do the math, I

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Speaker 3: Dre pretty insane, all right. So we talk a lot

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Speaker 3: about Austin Reeves and what he's done. Just a magnificent

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Speaker 7: They can throw them lobs. He's a player that when

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Speaker 7: as we've seen, Deandre's got a lot of criticism he

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Speaker 7: he will be empowered to have those kind of scoring opportunities. Now,

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Speaker 7: with Lebron back, those opportunities aren't going to be there

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Speaker 7: Austin Reeves, he should get a lot of easy looks

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Speaker 6: I think it was a little bit of a surprise

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Speaker 5: Smart guy.

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Speaker 6: Definitely a basketball minded, like savant level iq of the

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Speaker 5: But what where would you rate.

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Speaker 6: Him at least early now in his career amongst his

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Speaker 7: I think he's done a really good job and he's

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Speaker 7: He's more connected to today's players because he's not far

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Speaker 7: It's a good question, I think. I think so only

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Speaker 3: I had all those opportunities to leave, but fifty two

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Speaker 3: Now in the postgame, I look forward to hearing you

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Speaker 3: Wasn't there You go, just raise your hand and you know,

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Speaker 4: I got this for these idiots, and there you go.

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Speaker 3: Mark Underscore, Mark g Underscore Medina is where you find

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Speaker 3: course of the week. Mark, welcome back into the throes

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Speaker 7: Well, it would be funny a lot. It'll be just

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Speaker 4: Ah, there you go.

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Speaker 3: I will send that note over to Smith as he's

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Speaker 4: Good buddy, we'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 7: Love it, Take care guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 3: That's Mark Medina at mark g Underscore Medina where you

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Speaker 3: No question, good visit, good to you know, get into

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Speaker 6: But league wide, they love it. They love it because again,

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Speaker 6: the country heading into the season, we know about preseason

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Speaker 6: polling and how inaccurate it is. Again, you know, see

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Speaker 6: where Texas is seated at this point in the season

440
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Speaker 6: compared to where you know, everybody thought they were heading. Look,

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Speaker 6: but my point being Penn State, this is enormous. This

442
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Speaker 6: is everything. They can basically target whoever they want. Now

443
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Speaker 6: money is no object. Turning the page to Franklin. Okay,

444
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Speaker 6: James Franklin, He's gonna be just fine too. James Franklin

445
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Speaker 6: is a culture builder, He is an excellent recruiter.

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Speaker 5: He is going to turn around.

447
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Speaker 6: Virginia Tech and mark my words, same way did Van Dy,

448
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 6: same way did Penn State. He's he's going to clean

449
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Speaker 6: up in the DC metro area.

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Speaker 5: Now, one thing he had a Penn.

451
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Speaker 6: State that he won't have as much access to at

452
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Speaker 6: Virginia Tech as money. You know, and I'm talking about

453
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Speaker 6: going after players competing on the recruiting in the transfer

454
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Speaker 6: portal with some of the bigger schools.

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Speaker 5: You know, those donors don't travel.

456
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Speaker 6: So you're gonna have to encourage people around the VA

457
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Speaker 6: Tech program to reach deep into those pockets and fund

458
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Speaker 6: what will have to be a pretty pretty like David

459
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Speaker 6: Verus Goliath, you know, effort to make some waves even

460
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Speaker 6: in conference. But if he can pull that off, we've

461
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Speaker 6: seen it before, he can really renovate a situation.

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Speaker 3: According to a late twenty twenty four report, they ranked

463
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Speaker 3: eighth in the ACC from money spent on athletics including

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Speaker 3: nil so you know, hang a star on that as

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Speaker 3: we look to going forward. Look, James Franklin is a

466
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Speaker 3: hell of a coach and certainly a lot made on

467
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Speaker 3: top five, top ten losses, which, let's face it, not

468
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Speaker 3: a lot of folks running around with winning records in

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Speaker 3: those circumstances. Right.

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Speaker 4: It's like we can talk about some of the greatest

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Speaker 4: quarter of.

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Speaker 3: All time, but recognize that in the playoffs there are

473
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Speaker 3: a few that rise above and win consistently. Most guys

474
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Speaker 3: are covering around five hundred couple of games north or

475
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Speaker 3: south of that. Likewise, in the coaching fraternity, not a

476
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Speaker 3: lot of dominance. And that's why how you become a

477
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Speaker 3: legend from just you know, the hall of very good

478
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Speaker 3: in all of this. But you look at a squad

479
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Speaker 3: in Virginia Tech where you've had great success in the past,

480
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Speaker 3: go back to what Frank Beemer did for all of

481
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Speaker 3: those years, but falling on hard times, the last double

482
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Speaker 3: digit win season is a decade ago, going all the

483
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Speaker 3: way back to twenty sixteen. They go ten and four,

484
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Speaker 3: justin Fwente and a loss in the Camping World Bowl. Well,

485
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Speaker 3: it's play bowl games and where they were played and

486
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Speaker 3: what they were all about for one hundred No, I

487
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Speaker 3: don't want to do that. That's a waste of time

488
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Speaker 3: and resources. And if you have that knowledge, flush it

489
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Speaker 3: for something more useful. All of that to say rich

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Speaker 3: for Penn State. This just gives you the opportunity to

491
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Speaker 3: go do and and get whoever is your heart's desire.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Matt Ruhle running around with Penn

493
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Speaker 3: State gear is part of the equation, because I should say, uh,

494
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Speaker 3: you had him doing that. You've got a bunch of

495
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Speaker 3: other coaches in the offing. We've had a couple of

496
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Speaker 3: rumors that other big time programs will be looking for coaches,

497
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Speaker 3: maybe Texas and Starkesian based on as you mentioned, the

498
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Speaker 3: the failure of this year, based on the high circumstances,

499
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Speaker 3: but current odds leaders. You know, you've got drink Witz

500
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Speaker 3: as one of the leaders. Jeff Brahm has been mentioned.

501
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: Elko signed a new deal, so he's done but you

502
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Speaker 3: know there there's there's a bunch of guys out there,

503
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Speaker 3: Joe Brady, does he get an NFL job? Does he

504
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Speaker 3: go to college?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 4: You know all all of that. It's it's an interesting spot.

507
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Speaker 4: But when you're suddenly gifted back that many million that

508
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Speaker 4: you don't have to go to the hand, hand around

509
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Speaker 4: the hat for a it's certainly a win for the university.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 6: And you know when you start taking a look around,

512
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Speaker 6: you know, college football, will they have their pick of

513
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Speaker 6: the litter?

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Speaker 5: Maybe not.

515
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Speaker 6: You know, I think there are probably some other coaching

516
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Speaker 6: opportunities that you know, when when fully weighed out and measured,

517
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Speaker 6: and also when you think about quality of life and

518
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Speaker 6: the location of some of these schools, you know that

519
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 6: factors into because look, these coaches don't travel light. Many

520
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Speaker 6: of them are married men, many of them have families

521
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 6: and children of school age. Where you know, you you

522
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 6: got to make decisions not only for yourself, but for

523
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Speaker 6: the whole for the whole pack, for the whole clan.

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Speaker 6: What's good for the goose isn't always good for the ganders.

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Speaker 6: So you know, does the family want to move out

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Speaker 6: to State College Pennsylvania, You certainly are going to bring

527
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Speaker 6: them out there with you to kick the tires on

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Speaker 6: that opportunity.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, we'll see I will.

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Speaker 6: I will say this, I'm very curious if there is

531
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Speaker 6: a good reason to wait a little bit longer before

532
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Speaker 6: making a decision, Like, for example, one of these top

533
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Speaker 6: coaches in college football right now may experience a little

534
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Speaker 6: bit of a drop off, not dissimilar to what's just

535
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Speaker 6: happened with James Franklin, maybe not as significant, but maybe

536
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Speaker 6: something similar. And then all of a sudden, do you

537
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Speaker 6: get an opportunity to lure one of these coaches to

538
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Speaker 6: break his contract with his current university over to your university.

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Speaker 5: It can happen.

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Speaker 6: So I actually think that even though they may not

541
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Speaker 6: have the pick of the litter necessarily, Penn State is

542
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 6: in great position to make a great higher will they

543
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Speaker 6: we'll find out. We know how these coach search tyro

544
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Speaker 6: cells situations go. Sometimes it's somebody completely out of left

545
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Speaker 6: field that gets hired and it leaves everybody's second guessing.

546
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Speaker 6: But I have a feeling it's going to be a splashyer.

547
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Speaker 5: Name, and I have a feeling they're going to wait

548
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Speaker 5: a lot longer to make that decision.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talked about Florida and LSU in

550
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Speaker 3: their searches, the rumors of some of these other jobs

551
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Speaker 3: potentially coming open. What goes on with Lane Kiffen? Was

552
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: he given the ultimatum? Is a decision made on him

553
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: that sets a number of these other dominoes falling. But

554
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Speaker 3: it's a fun landscape, chaotic, just like watching players change teams.

555
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 3: I have a good laugh, you know, doing the trading

556
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: card thing, and they come out with these college football

557
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: sets and half of the guys on the checklist aren't

558
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Speaker 3: even with the same team that they're pictured with. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 3: I pulled that guy. He's like no, no, he's a

560
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: quarterback over there. It's like really, and you're explaining it

561
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: to the people in the you know, watching some of

562
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: these live streams, like yeah, that guy's not on that

563
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: team either, Like well, what the hell? Like, hey man,

564
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: they have to print these and they've got to get

565
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Speaker 3: all the autographs and everything in place ahead of time.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do, like, well, that does be

567
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: no good? Like no, it's fun. He's a good player.

568
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: Just wait for an update and perhaps he'll be on

569
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Speaker 3: the right team the next release. But all of that

570
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Speaker 3: to say it's a fun time and for Penn State curiosity.

571
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Speaker 3: The last of those domino effects to talk about is

572
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Speaker 3: also those assistant coaches, because you've got to convince a

573
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Speaker 3: lot of them and their families to move along with

574
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Speaker 3: you and make sure that the money is right to

575
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Speaker 3: make that change as well.

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Speaker 4: So that's a whole other part of the domino.

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Speaker 5: It's also a long NFL season, and.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that the coach search will wait till

579
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Speaker 6: till that season's completely over. But we've seen this before

580
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Speaker 6: where there could be a coordinator at the operating of

581
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Speaker 6: the NFL level who is willing to take a step down,

582
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Speaker 6: you know, in terms of prestige to go and be

583
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Speaker 6: a head coach at the college level. That's happened in

584
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Speaker 6: the past. I mean, you could you could see a

585
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Speaker 6: situation where maybe a head coach gets UH outed from

586
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Speaker 6: one of these programs here. I mean already we saw

587
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Speaker 6: that with UH with Brian Dable, you know, I mean,

588
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 6: is it is it possible maybe not specifically him, but

589
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Speaker 6: one of these other coaches that gets shown the door

590
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Speaker 6: UH leads to an opportunity for Penn State to pounce.

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Speaker 5: I It's it's another Avenue.

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Speaker 6: So and and don't get me wrong, there are a

593
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Speaker 6: lot of vacancies at the collegiate level right now that

594
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Speaker 6: are going to lend soft landing spots for maybe any

595
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 6: or many of those types of coaches you know, in

596
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Speaker 6: those types of situations. So Penn State absolutely has competition,

597
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 6: but they also offer one of the more elite rosters

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Speaker 6: in college football right now as it's as it sits.

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Speaker 6: And you know, if you hire the right coach who

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Speaker 6: strikes the right chord with some of the recruits who

601
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 6: jumped ship, well, James Franklin was suffering some of the

602
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Speaker 6: more embarrassing loss of losses of his tenure, maybe you

603
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Speaker 6: get some of those recruits back, Maybe you get to

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Speaker 6: flip a couple of new recruits that were committed to

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Speaker 6: other programs because all of a sudden interest is renewed

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Speaker 6: in Penn State as a national powerhouse.

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Speaker 5: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I appreciated you getting the Penn State and the opportunity

609
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Speaker 3: to bounce. Not your first rodeo. He's rich Orenberger in

610
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Speaker 3: for Jason Smith on my Carbon time to send it

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Speaker 3: over to the news desk with Steve Desager, who's got

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Speaker 3: the Lakers keenly in his sites.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the Lakers seventeen to three runs. They've taken a

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Speaker 10: lead against Utah. But I do have a couple of

615
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Speaker 10: college basketball updates, including from the Aztecs at San Diego State.

616
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Speaker 10: They have hit a shot from beyond half court to

617
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Speaker 10: send it to overtime against Troy. It's now early in

618
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Speaker 10: the second overtime, tied at one hundred at San Diego State.

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Speaker 10: The other late game has about three minutes left. In

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Speaker 10: nineteenth ranked UCLA Bruins lead Sacramento State seventy one forty three,

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Speaker 10: and we had a double header at Madison Square Garden.

622
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Speaker 10: Michigan State won the first of those two, beating Kentucky

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Speaker 10: eighty three sixty six for the Spartans. Jeremy Fears the

624
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Speaker 10: first Division IE player to lead his team to a

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Speaker 10: four to oho start while having at least nine assists

626
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Speaker 10: in each game so far. First point guard to do

627
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Speaker 10: that in college who have since Doug Gottlieb of Oklahoma

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Speaker 10: stage in nineteen ninety nine. There you go, Now to

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Speaker 10: the update from downtown LA. The Lakers lead with about

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Speaker 10: eight minutes to go against Utah one sixteen to oneh three.

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Speaker 10: Luka Donsich with thirty seven points in thirty one minutes

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Speaker 10: on the court. Lebron James has played twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 10: in his season debut after the bad back. He has

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Speaker 10: eleven points, ten assists, just one turnover. The other late

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Speaker 10: game is at Portland. Phoenix leads the Blazers seventy eight

636
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Speaker 10: to sixty three in the third quarter. Wins for Orlando

637
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Speaker 10: and San Antonio at home. Boston got a victory at

638
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Speaker 10: Brooklyn one thirteen to ninety nine. Then that's two and

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Speaker 10: twelve so far. Detroit won it's eleventh straight game a

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Speaker 10: victory at Atlanta, won twenty to one to twelve. Ky

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Speaker 10: Cunningham twenty five points. Tennisis Milwaukee star Giannis Antennacumpo could

642
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Speaker 10: miss up to two weeks with a stray groin. The

643
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Speaker 10: Spurs Defon Castle, rookie of the year last season, has

644
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 10: a strained if he'll be reevaluated in one to two weeks.

645
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Speaker 10: In the new college football playoff rankings, the top three

646
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 10: stayed the same, Georgia's number four Oklahoma up to number

647
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Speaker 10: eight Alabama number ten. Miami would get in if it's

648
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 10: acc chant. Miami ranked thirteenth at the moment. College football

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Speaker 10: selection Sunday is December seventh. Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase

650
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 10: is out this weekend. Is one game suspension was upheld.

651
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Speaker 10: Texans quarterback c J. Stroud, with a concussion, will miss

652
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Speaker 10: a third straight game this Thursday against the Bills. The

653
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Speaker 10: Angels traded outfielder Taylor Ward to Bolton US men's soccer

654
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Speaker 10: when it's final exhibition of the year in Tampa five

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Speaker 10: to one against Uruguay.

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Speaker 4: That to you, Thanks so much, Steve.

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Speaker 3: As we continue here at Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith

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Speaker 3: Show with Me, Mike Carmon, no Jason rich Ornberger in

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Speaker 3: his stead, we're gonna circle back.

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Speaker 4: To the AFC.

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Speaker 3: We talked about NFC teams and the level of disbelief.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps there are one or two on the AFC side.

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Speaker 3: As we break down that playoff bracket and keep an

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Speaker 3: eye on what's transpiring with the Lakers. We'll do that

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Speaker 3: as we continue here from the Fox Sports Radio studio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific. Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Bib Mike Harmon, No.

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Speaker 3: Jason Tonight off for his birthday, hit him up at

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Speaker 3: halbut a Fresca tell him, how about you love him

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Speaker 3: in instead? Our guy Rich Ornberger alone from down in

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Speaker 3: San Diago, is he's keeping a prize of the college

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Speaker 3: basketball work of the Aztecs and we're watching the Lakers

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Speaker 3: put the final touches. You think Utah's got one more run,

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Speaker 3: ad them down twenty one or is it done?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they could lob up a couple of

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Speaker 6: finger rolls.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's possible.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we started going back to Hornisek and all

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Speaker 3: of those guys of the past, you know, and trying

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Speaker 3: to find some of this stock legends and get them

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Speaker 3: in the mix.

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Speaker 4: But certainly tough order.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you had that Lebron bet to score

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Speaker 3: at least ten points, you at least cash that one.

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Speaker 3: So you got that going for it as they win

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Speaker 3: going away, allaying any fears, at least for one night,

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Speaker 3: that this experiment would fail. All right, it's game fifteen,

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Speaker 3: so you know, putting grandiose tags on it, you know,

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Speaker 3: not exactly the wise way, but that's what sports radio is,

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Speaker 3: which is why we shift back to the AFC. Earlier

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Speaker 3: we did the NFC and looking at the playoff picture

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Speaker 3: and where we're at some teams that there's still some

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Speaker 3: hope and excitement over what the final few weeks of

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Speaker 3: the season holds. A lot of injury concerns across the league,

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Speaker 3: no question about it. But when we look at the AFC,

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Speaker 3: as we sit the Broncos the number one seed with

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Speaker 3: the Patriots hot on their heels. I had best win

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Speaker 3: percentage in conference games, gives them the tiebreaker. Then you

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Speaker 3: have the Colts. The Steelers are still alive at six

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Speaker 3: and four. Keep an eye on the Rogers injury and

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Speaker 3: what that means going forward. The Bills with a big

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Speaker 3: win over the Buccaneers this past week. Chargers at seven

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Speaker 3: and four, but a season that I don't know that

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars game that seems to just be the fift

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Speaker 3: ring of hell for them because that was supposed to

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Speaker 3: be the revenge game, man. They were supposed to get

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Speaker 3: back for that playoff game, and instead they got bludgeoned

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Speaker 3: from pillar to post. And then those same Jaguars sitting

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Speaker 3: in the seventh seed ahead of Houston and Kansas City

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Speaker 3: and Baltimore all at five and five. Who's the in

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Speaker 3: the group?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Is it just easy to just say Pittsburgh and move on.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't believe Pittsburgh are necessarily frauds.

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Speaker 5: I think that the.

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Speaker 6: I think the Aaron Rodgers injury, depending how long it

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Speaker 6: keeps him off the field, which it doesn't look like

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Speaker 6: it's gonna keep him very long off the field, is

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Speaker 6: going to determine a lot.

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Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you, and I.

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Speaker 6: Hate to say it because I think that they're a

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Speaker 6: team that's built right, but I do not think they're

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Speaker 6: gonna be able to overcome the injuries up.

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Speaker 5: Front on the offensive line. I think the.

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Speaker 6: Chargers, if you're forced, if I'm forced to use the

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Speaker 6: word fraud, I think the Chargers are fraudulent. I think

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Speaker 6: they're a little bit of you know, all smoke no steak.

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Speaker 6: Right now, it's it looks good on paper, that seven

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Speaker 6: to survive this season at this rate. He's getting legend

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Speaker 6: out there, Mike. They do not have an offensive line

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Speaker 6: to speak of.

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Speaker 3: No, that's this game was truly difficult to watch and

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Speaker 3: monitor as you went possession to possession, and certainly on

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Speaker 3: the other side, because you weren't getting much juice offensively,

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Speaker 3: you just watch Jacksonville just bludging them and run the

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Speaker 3: ball effectively. Trevor Lawrence didn't have to do much because

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Speaker 3: that's the team. You know, if we're just picking from

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Speaker 3: the top seven that I just hold my hand up going.

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Speaker 3: I don't trust the passing game to give me enough

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Speaker 3: when I need to win big games down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: But Steelers at six and four, I'd be remiss. There's

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Speaker 3: just the lingering question. I don't want to do it

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Speaker 3: to him because I've championed him going back to his

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Speaker 3: time with the Giants of is there just that clunker

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Speaker 3: waiting in a playoff game for Daniel Jones or can

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Speaker 3: they mitigate that by Jonathan Taylor continuing to be superhuman?

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Speaker 4: Like that's the the one I weigh right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Colts I feel like they're real. But again,

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Speaker 6: that's DJ at quarterback. We've seen what that looks like

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Speaker 6: in the past. That can unravel quickly. It sort of

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Speaker 6: feels like they're waiting for somebody to step on the

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Speaker 6: yarn from back the sweater. But he's looked good in

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Speaker 6: the Shane Stike in offensive system the Denver Broncos. I

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Speaker 6: mean shoestring wins over lesser opponents all season long. Super

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Speaker 6: inconsistent play from bow Nicks. We saw him catch fire

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Speaker 6: later in the season for the Broncos last year. He's

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Speaker 6: played better the latter part of this season so far,

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Speaker 6: but not nearly as well as last year.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm not completely sold on Dever either, and that's saying

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Speaker 6: a lot because they carry a nine to two record

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Speaker 6: and Sean Payton, I think is doing a great job

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Speaker 3: And they lose JK. Dobbins, so it's more RJ. Harvey

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Speaker 3: uh going forward and other backs that come in to

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Speaker 3: the mix. But you know, not being able to rely

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Speaker 3: on that passing attack like fourth quarter wins. We talked

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Speaker 3: about it with Chicago a little bit earlier year of

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Speaker 3: living dangerously, but at some point you believe in that

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Speaker 3: d u Certan being out and they're still getting it done.

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Speaker 3: So it's a curiosity, no question about it. But the

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Speaker 3: Chargers sloughing off certainly helps their cause. He's Rich ornbergerround

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Speaker 3: by Carbon coming up next. We stay in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: How about some positive