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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. Today we are joined

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Speaker 2: with our friend Lauren Conlin, hosts of Pop Crime TV

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Speaker 2: and Primetime Crime, to discuss the news stories that we

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Speaker 2: are all dying to talk about. There has been a busy,

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Speaker 2: busy news weekend as far as we're concerned. Gene Hackman's death,

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Speaker 2: of course, we'll talk about that, and a little bit

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Speaker 2: about Brian Coberger and the latest with the Idaho murders,

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Speaker 2: the Menandez Brothers, Extreme Morning Sickness, and tacky grave decorations. Hi, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here today.

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Speaker 1: Guys, thanks for having me. I'm so happy to be back,

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Speaker 1: so thank you again. And you're right, there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on. I don't even know where to begin. And

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Speaker 1: this is like, this is our news here, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my parents they have no clue what's going

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Speaker 1: on in our world of news. But to me, this

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Speaker 1: is it. This is all we really need to know, right.

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Speaker 2: I talked Cheryl McCollum on the phone yesterday and I

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Speaker 2: was just like, dude, I feel like I'm drowning this weekend.

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Speaker 2: There's so much to cover and we're not even covering

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Speaker 2: half of the stories that we have. Still this is

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Speaker 2: just but this is like the pending pressing stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: so we'll get into this. All right, Let's start with

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Speaker 2: the celebrity news and Gene Hackman.

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Speaker 3: All right, So, for those of you who have been listening

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Speaker 3: the past week or so, we've been reporting on the

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Speaker 3: deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy. So just

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Speaker 3: as a quick reminder, they were found dead in their

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Speaker 3: Santa Fe home on February twenty six. There was a

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Speaker 3: million theories happening where they murdered? Was it carbon monoxide?

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Speaker 3: Now we have an official cause of death, so why

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Speaker 3: don't we talk about that?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Lauren, were you what were your theories? Because I know

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Speaker 2: that when they said suspicious, you were all over that shit.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, well, look, it's like the news

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Speaker 1: broke and I'm going back to the beginning, and it's

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Speaker 1: like Gene Hackman and his wife found deceased plus their dog.

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Speaker 1: No foul play suspected or they said, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not suspicious, and I'm like, that's the definition of suspicious.

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Speaker 1: But because they said that, my brain immediately went to

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Speaker 1: I think that it's carbon monoxide. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: so I was right, I told you, you know, And

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Speaker 1: then sure enough, later that day they release new Mexico

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Speaker 1: police released this search warrant, and I mean, I hopped

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Speaker 1: This is the definition of suspicious. But I think, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, I had initially thought that maybe

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Speaker 1: We find out the pills are are, you know, blood

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Speaker 1: you're predicting that, right, And I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the hant of virus because of course

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Speaker 1: I had never heard of this. I live in New

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Speaker 2: Well, hantavirus is super super rare to begin with, So

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Speaker 2: let's talk about how rare it is. First, only ten

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Speaker 2: But there's certain And when I was in school in

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Speaker 2: Although it is found sometimes in other areas of the country,

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Speaker 2: understand how she was exposed to so much of this

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, they're Santa Fe home.

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Speaker 1: It was very secluded. I mean, if you see that

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Speaker 1: they had people that tended to tended I guess I

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like Betsy was really focused on and

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Speaker 1: wondered Nicole, like how, you know, how is it? And

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a very interesting virus and it's actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it seems like she was having a

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Speaker 3: You know, she was emailing with the messuse that morning

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Speaker 1: Right, That's where my brain went, like, how did this

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Speaker 2: So they're if they're saying that the medical examiner was

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Speaker 2: We didn't hear any about that, obviously, Like this is

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Speaker 2: But how did those two dogs survive for two weeks

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Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, brain feart, not the.

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Speaker 2: A villain, like a villain kind of like charming villain.

433
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 1: Yes, he just he had this way that like, you know,

434
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: he didn't make you necessarily hate him in these characters,

435
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: that's all. And I yeah, he's amazing. I mean I

436
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: I think of him the way he was and the

437
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: way he looked, maybe in his sixties, right, it's weird

438
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: for me to see him in his nineties and and

439
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: he just he looks so different. It's kind of like

440
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood. I I just picture him in his sixties forever.

441
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: That's why I want to picture him now. He's just

442
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's gotten older. He's very frail. And I

443
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: love Clint Eastwood and I will be devastated for for,

444
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, the time when when he passes, which I

445
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: don't want to put that out there or anything, but

446
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: he's also in his nineties and he wrote this beautiful

447
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: tribute to ge and he really was like just so

448
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: close with him, and oh, it's so sad. These are

449
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: we're losing the great ones. We're losing the great ones.

450
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry.

451
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: She already put it out there that Dolly Parton's gonna

452
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: die because her husband just died.

453
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: No, Dollie will live forever.

454
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: Exactually, I'm not saying that to be mean. I love

455
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: Dolly and stuff. I'm just saying that oftentimes, when a

456
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: husband and wife have a very strong, loving relationship and

457
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: they've been together forever, they died within three months of

458
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: one another. It's just like there's lots of documented cases

459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: of it. So I'm not saying it to wish harm

460
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: on her. I'm just saying it because statistically that's possible.

461
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: I totally understand. And I've heard that before as well.

462
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I've heard that.

463
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into true crime, right.

464
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: So, early last year we reported on these really unusual

465
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: depths of these three Kansas City chiefs. Fans were found

466
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: frozen in their friend's backyard. Remember the time we were

467
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: reporting that, So nobody hears from them for two days.

468
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: They're just they go to their friend's house to watch

469
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: this football game. Nobody hears from them. For two days.

470
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: All their family members are contacting the guy that lives

471
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 3: at this house. He's not answering the phone. So finally

472
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 3: one of the men's fiances goes to the house and

473
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: finds them in the backyard. So this guy that lives

474
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: at the house is just in there. He says he

475
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: was sleeping for two days on the couch.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I cannot listen. I can't fully make sense of that.

477
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I have kind of been looking into this. And look,

478
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: when you get to a certain age and you go

479
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: on a bender, I know that you can be laid

480
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: up for a day. I mean two days. That's intense.

481
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: That's I think that's a kind of rare. But I'm not.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm not super shocked, if I mean, I

483
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but like, I believe, I

484
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: actually believe that he could have been laid up for

485
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: two days.

486
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: I believe that he could have done it.

487
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: I can't believe that somebody, I guess, you know, he

488
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: ended up going to rehab eventually, So I guess I

489
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: couldn't believe that somebody would have a problem that bad

490
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 3: that they'd be just out of commission like that for

491
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: two days. That's where I have a hard time with it.

492
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: I can believe it. I actually, I really I can.

493
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna throw it out there because also I

494
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: think that part of it is, you know, you wake

495
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: up the next day and it's gonna make me sound

496
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: like I do this or something because I'm like, so,

497
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm so understanding. But no. But like he probably woke

498
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: up the next day, he probably got drunk again to

499
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: make the pain what do you call the hair of

500
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: the dog, make the pain go away or whatever the

501
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: hell he was doing, smoking some weed, probably passed out

502
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: for what a good eight hours let's say. Then he

503
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: probably won't I mean, you know what I mean, Like,

504
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: it's possible to stay in your house for two days

505
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: after this vender if you're kind of nursing your your

506
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: hangover with drugs, and then finally when you come out

507
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: of it, it's you know, it's forty eight hours later

508
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, holy crap. So I do kind of

509
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: believe that, especially if you want to rehab.

510
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, so after at the time we were reporting this

511
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: last year, it was kind of unusual, but they said,

512
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: like in Geneagman's case, they weren't investigating it as a homicide.

513
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: But now it was kind of surprised that the friend

514
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: and this drug dealer that they just randomly found in

515
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: the investigation have been arrested in connection to their debts.

516
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: I don't really think it's weird either, to be honest

517
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: with you. Like this week, my daughter had a medical

518
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: treatment on Friday, and like she wasn't feeling well, so

519
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: we just kind of stayed in the house all weekend.

520
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Like I didn't leave my house for two days. Like

521
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: I just was in my house doing some projects, cleaning up.

522
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: I like, if you wouldn't look at your phone for

523
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: forty eight hours on my phone whatever, But like if

524
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: there were three people dead in my backyard, I wouldn't

525
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: have known it. And that's how believable.

526
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't, exactly you, And.

527
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't high or drunk or anything. I was just

528
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: like like I'd stay in my little world sometimes and

529
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: don't so like, listen, people, that guy probably was sitting

530
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: on his couch watch it, playing video games, watching TV,

531
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: smoking weed, and just like now.

532
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: Looking at the phone for two days is totally unbelievable

533
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: to me for a thirty nine year old man.

534
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Okay, well, maybe he looked at his phone, but he

535
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to ignore. I've done that where I'm like,

536
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I can't take my text messages today. I will check

537
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: other stuff. I'll check Twitter, but I don't feel like

538
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: checking my text. I wouldn't say for two days have

539
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: I ever done anything like that, but I would. I

540
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: would give myself a good eight to ten hours, and

541
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, no text messages, so if you're out of

542
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: your mind. But look, I personally, I don't know if

543
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I believe that drug dealers should be arrested per se when.

544
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: And I don't want this to come off as insensitive,

545
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think these guys they obviously didn't

546
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: plan on smoking weed that was laced with anything, and

547
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, or maybe they did, I don't know.

548
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know if these guys actually knew what

549
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: their weed was laced with. But I think that if

550
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: you are an adult, you are consenting adults, and you

551
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: are buying weed off the street from whoever, you have

552
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: to know on the back of your mind, something could happen.

553
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: And that's that's the choice. That's the choice. I mean, listen,

554
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: our drugs legal, Yes, is weed legal? And in a

555
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of states now yes, So I'm kind of just was.

556
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: It even weed though they willingly took cocaine that was fine, okay,

557
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: And my opinion, I'm like, if you if you're taking cocaine,

558
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: you're already because you could die from cocaine too.

559
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Of course, like you did smoke weed. They did smoke weed,

560
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: and they did buy this weed as well, and it

561
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: was laced.

562
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is the thing, Like I understand what

563
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: you're saying. And my first thought when I heard this

564
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: too was it's like the government deems this drug's not safe.

565
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: This drug's safe, and then if somebody sells your somebody

566
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: something with fentanyl in it and they get hurt or die,

567
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: then that person gets charged. But like what happens about

568
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: all the people in the country that are hurt by

569
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: prescription medications that the companies aren't liable for that ever?

570
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: Right ever, you never get in trouble and we could

571
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: do well, but seriously doing something bad or not. It's

572
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: just like they set examples out of all of these people,

573
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: but then people that are kind of doing the same

574
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: thing on a different level are like never held accountable.

575
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: So that's one thing, But I I agree, like this

576
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: is the the problem is is. I guess you would

577
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: say they walked into it thinking that they were doing

578
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: because it happened. It happened with Prince for example, he

579
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: thought he was taking a prescription pill of a percoset

580
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: and it was one that was fake, that was laced

581
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: with fentanyl. Right. He thought he was taking a drug

582
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: that he knows doesn't hurt him or didn't didn't make

583
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: him die. Right, And then you take it and you

584
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: could kind of think of it because you think about

585
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: like kids, because our kids will be teenagers soon, right,

586
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: and they're going to a party and they want to

587
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: try coke with their friends or you know, you could

588
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: tell your kids as much as you want, but they're

589
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: going to do what they're going to do. And then

590
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: they think they're smoking weed or they think they're doing

591
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: a line and coke, and then all of a sudden

592
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: they're dead because some asshole cut it with ventanol. Well,

593
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: the rules in this country are is that, like we

594
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: should try to if we set examples of these people,

595
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: maybe it'll stop happening. Although that's okay, well happening.

596
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel with miners it's different. I don't know

597
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: if you feel the same way. I feel like you

598
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: should be charged. If you give drugs to a minor,

599
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: you sell drugs to a minor, regardless of with what

600
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: it's cut with, you should definitely be charged. I'm just saying,

601
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: as as a consenting adult, you should know the risks

602
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: associated with doing cocaine, buying cocaine from whoever. And by

603
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: the way, these guys weren't like avid drug users, and

604
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I guess what I'm trying to

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: say is like they were dabbling. They were just you know,

606
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: middle aged men wanting to dabble a little bit have

607
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: a good time. They had jobs, they had, you know,

608
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: families and lives, and so it is truly tragic and sad.

609
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure charging people in this instance would

610
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: would help anything. But sorry, Maria, I feel like I couldn't.

611
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: No, You're totally good. I agree with you.

612
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Like when children are involved, one hundred percent, people should

613
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: be held responsible. I even understand why the drug dealer

614
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: was arrested in this case. I kind of don't understand

615
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: why the friend was arrested. Was it because he connected

616
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: them to each other? Because message you could.

617
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Just talking about I guess the friend was the one

618
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: that got the drugs for the night.

619
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, so anybody involved in somebody overdosing is then

620
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: liable for that.

621
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that they're trying to like they're trying

622
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: to set examples of people. So like when you decide

623
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: that you want to start selling drugs, you're gonna be like,

624
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: shit if somebody even if that I give it to

625
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: that person and that person gives it to a person,

626
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: like they're going to trace it back to me. They

627
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: found the guy's DNA on the bags, which was awesome

628
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: how they caught them one gout, you know. But but

629
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: like you and these people getting the drugs, like the

630
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: guy that got arrested didn't make it like he probably

631
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: bought it off with somebody. It came from Mexico or whatever,

632
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: you know.

633
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know, like it could just be

634
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: case by case. Like I some people were upset when

635
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: when you know, people were charged in the death of

636
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry, But I feel like that's much different because

637
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: they were knowingly taking advantage of him and I and yes,

638
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: he is a consenting adult, but when you've got these

639
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: text messages and stuff of them trying to kind of

640
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: pull the wool over his eyes and make him spend

641
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: as much money as possible on ketymine and not you know,

642
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: acting as as a doctor and not you know, administering

643
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: this as you should. I think, yes, in that case,

644
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: somebody should be charged. Well maybe there were any charges there,

645
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: but yeah.

646
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: But in that case too, you have medical professionals involved,

647
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: and that could be a harm to society. So that's

648
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: like a that's a greater problem.

649
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Right, one hundred percent. I just mean, like when people

650
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: were mad, they're like, oh, he's an adult, he should

651
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: have known, and I'm like, these are doctors. Yeah, yeah,

652
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: example are like, but no, the assistant. I kind of felt, oh,

653
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not whatever. I don't want to go

654
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. But like the assistant could spend

655
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, a hefty chunk of time in jail for

656
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: administering that lethal dose. But this guy was kind of

657
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: just doing what he was told. And sure, you always

658
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: have a choice in life, right, Like he could have

659
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: gotten fired if he didn't whatever. But it's like to

660
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: put that guy in jail when he really was kind

661
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: of just yeah, following orders. It's it's tough, but yeah,

662
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: it's it's a tough call overall.

663
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: Did they ever say why, because I think that it's

664
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: very unusual that three of them were outside, Like why

665
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: were they outside where they smoked?

666
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they were just hanging out or were they.

667
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: They were leaving because I mean, it was freezing outside,

668
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: so I don't it's not like they were sitting around

669
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: the picnic bench like.

670
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: The snow and they were remember they were in like

671
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: the lawn chairs or whatever. I think it was like

672
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: they were sitting for uh, I don't remember. I mean, yeah,

673
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I thought they were just having beers because like I

674
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: just and again I'm not a football fan, but I

675
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: know just from my husband that they don't care how

676
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: cold it is. I don't know if you experience that,

677
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: like they don't actually care. They're still partying, They're still

678
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: hanging out. They're going to sit around in some chairs

679
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: for a while, drinks some beers and god knows what.

680
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: But like my husband thinks, forty degrees is a summer day.

681
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: So like I understand that they might have, you know,

682
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: done the drugs, been outside hanging out, and then I

683
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: do think it's odd. I totally understand the possibility of it,

684
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: but I do think it's odd. They all odd at

685
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: the same exact time. But then again, they're all taking this.

686
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: If you have if you have a high enough dosea

687
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: that that's going to kill any single person that takes it.

688
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: It is interesting. So sometimes if you do cocaine, it

689
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: could raise your body temperature, which would make you hot.

690
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: So that would make sense there that they would just

691
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: go outside, I guess. But what so the guy that

692
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: lived at the house that didn't take it, which is interesting.

693
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: No, and you know, as we discuss this, it is

694
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of weird stuff. You're right, he didn't

695
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: take it at the exact same time. They all seem

696
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: to od it's it's strange, but I'm beginning to realize

697
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: that in general, things are strange. I mean, like again,

698
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman, like, who would have thought this stuff is possible?

699
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: So it's like, I guess, as as interesting as it

700
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: is to think of these weird theories and things that

701
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: could have happened and whatever, like, I think that, Yeah,

702
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: at this point, it's kind of like it's weird. It

703
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: is what it is. But I think everything is as

704
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: it seems or as it is now right.

705
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think anything's like truly an affair with this.

706
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: I think we can look at it, same with Gene

707
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Hackman and be like, Okay, when you add all the

708
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: facts up together, they seem really odd. And with other

709
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: cases we know that things when they seem amiss, they

710
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: typically are. But I think in these cases it is straightforward.

711
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, you know, if I'm the worst example of

712
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: this because I'm like a grandma, but if if I

713
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: had a friend come over my house and they were like,

714
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: where can I get drugs? And then I was just like, oh,

715
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: I know a guy that sells them, and then I

716
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: make the connection, so I'm liable too, even if I

717
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: don't do them.

718
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: That's a point. I don't know. I don't know.

719
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: I mean I think I think like the lesson here

720
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: is just like, don't do that shit and this won't

721
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: ever be a problem. But it's not possible. People are

722
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: still gonna do It's possible like that. I tell the

723
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: kids that all the time when like they have to

724
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: talk about prison and stuff, I'm just like, you don't

725
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: you could just like not get arrested, like if you

726
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: just do what you're supposed to do, like it won't happen, right,

727
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: Like this will never I know, oh that this will

728
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: never happen. To me, because I'm never going to be like, hey,

729
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: I'll call somebody to get you drugs over here, like

730
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: right right.

731
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: So like just don't do that, do less of that,

732
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: and you'll be good. You won't have to worry you

733
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: no one.

734
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Else's you know what else I think is weird about

735
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: these stories like that, I and like I try to

736
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: put myself in these situations. But if my husband was

737
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: at a I knew he was at a football party

738
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: and I didn't hear from him, let's not say husband,

739
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: because let's say I was dating and we didn't live

740
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: together at the time, and I didn't hear from him

741
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: for for a few hours of normal time, I would

742
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: have been starting to look for him, like what's up

743
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: with all these people? If you could say it with

744
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: like Casey Anthony's mom too calling thirty whole days after

745
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: the kid, Like what's up with these huge time lapses

746
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: when people are like, hey, something might be right, let

747
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: me get wrong, let me go check on this. It's

748
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: it's just like very bizarre to me.

749
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, just in defense of the one fiance

750
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: that ended up discovering them, maybe they weren't living together

751
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: and maybe he didn't say where he was going, you know, maybe,

752
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: like I don't know, I'm thinking about.

753
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: A long time now for a fiance. I feel like.

754
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 2: Two days is a long time.

755
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: But if you know my husband's texting history, for example,

756
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: like he is, he is one hundred years old with it.

757
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: When we were dating, he was like, I I will

758
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: be there, I will date you. I love you, but

759
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm bad at communication. And I'm just putting that on

760
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: the table now. But I still heard from him once

761
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: a day. But there would be days where we'd wake

762
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: up and he'd go out with his friends and I

763
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't know where they were all day, and then he

764
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: would tell me about his day at the end of

765
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: the day.

766
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's one day.

767
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what I'm saying.

768
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: Maybe she couldn't get a hold of him and two

769
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: days of the other friends.

770
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean and by the way, Casey Anthony's mom,

771
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: don't get me started on that she waited, she knew

772
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: what was going on. She's exactly so.

773
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean literally, because people argue with me

774
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: about that, that say that she that that, I'm just like,

775
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like that girl, it's it's the same

776
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: that we were saying about Brian Laundry and we're like,

777
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: he was such a scumbag because his parents were scumbags.

778
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: It's the same thing, you know what I mean.

779
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Like I said, we could do a

780
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: whole episode on that. But don't tell me they loved Kaylee,

781
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: they loved their grand baby so much. You're telling me

782
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: that that. No, they she knew what was going on,

783
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony. They George and Casey told her initially or eventually,

784
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: and that's why she didn't. I mean, I don't. I've

785
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: said this, like I can't say exactly what Cindy Anthony's

786
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: role and it was, but one hundred percent she knew

787
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: what happened and she was protecting them. So anyway, but

788
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: like if my husband goes away for work, we won't

789
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: talk for two days, Well he might check in about

790
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: the kids maybe, but I wouldn't be alarmed if I

791
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: didn't hear from him for maybe a day then maybe

792
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: by the next said, by six o'clock, I might be like, Yo,

793
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: when are you coming home again? Like it might be

794
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: like that, but again, we've been married for fourteen years.

795
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: So if it's a fiance, actually yeah, I might be like, yo,

796
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: who you banging? You know, like what's up?

797
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: But like, you know, yeah, I could just I guess

798
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: I'm getting it is like I don't find it necessarily acceptable,

799
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: but I could see how it could get there because

800
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: you know, you know, he's going to a party and

801
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: you don't want to be that naggy girlfriend. And then

802
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: the next day goes on and you're just like, Okay,

803
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: I'm starting to get pissed. And then maybe she didn't

804
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: know his friends and couldn't figure out where he was,

805
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: and then by the time she did, it was the

806
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: time she found him. This episode is brought to you

807
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Speaker 3: by the Gross Room guys. Of course, this week we

808
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809
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810
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815
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816
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821
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822
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Speaker 3: Though we lived in a very similar situation you had

823
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: me young, we lived with your parents, there's no way

824
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: in which they would have gone that long without seeing me.

825
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Nope.

826
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: Especially like today, I know, I'm like, especially if she

827
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: was like this conniving person that like was a chronic

828
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: liar of course, like if you because they're saying that

829
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: about her right that she's just like this lying but whatever,

830
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: Like then you would have even called sooner because you

831
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 4: would have been like, she's not telling the truth on

832
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: day one, like come.

833
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: On, I just look at those pictures of her partying

834
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: while hurt. I'm just like, girl, by just go just

835
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: just leave, crawl back in your hole.

836
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, well I heard that she got like she

837
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: got boldied off, right, like she's not she's not yesterday. Look,

838
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was just like a false and she

839
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: has followers.

840
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you guys? I just it's like it's

841
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: not even funny. It's like not even funny. How are

842
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: we going to give this girl platform?

843
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Well, Nancy was saying the other day when she was

844
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: talking about it, She's just like it's like a car accident,

845
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: like you can't you can't look away, and that's that's

846
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: all it is. I don't think that. You know, we

847
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: hear with the next case we're going to talk about

848
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: with Brian coberg Er, you hear about him having like

849
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: legit fans like I've really never heard of anybody and listen, like,

850
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm I don't stick up for Casey Anthony at all.

851
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: I just think that it's not as as it's presented,

852
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: like I think that they're you know, she was only

853
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: nineteen and had a life with those people all that time,

854
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: and she's I almost feel like she's a victim of

855
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: her childhood as well, Like that whole thing is just interconnected.

856
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: So I definitely don't think that she's innocent and not

857
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: a fan of her, But I also don't think that

858
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: like the parents are innocent and she's just like this

859
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: awful person.

860
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I never really true. I think

861
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: she's an awful person. I think her parents are awful.

862
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: I think they're all, yeah, but.

863
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, so do I Both things could be true.

864
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: She could be a terrible person, and it could have

865
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: come from being raised by those people. I just I

866
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: don't think they're fully innocent in the case. Every time

867
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: I see them do public speaking, I'm disgusted by it.

868
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: But she don't have fans that I feel like anyway

869
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: that that she doesn't have a fan club. That's like

870
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: she's innocent. Blah blah blah. Oh, most people like hate her.

871
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I think everybody. Everybody hates everybody. No, everyone does. But

872
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: it is interesting because I don't know if you guys

873
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: were you did you pay attention to Wade Wilson, the

874
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: guy you must be Yeah, he's got the tattoos all over.

875
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: That's like the hot guy he's yeah. He basically I

876
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: mean he murdered two women, almost three in this horrific way.

877
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: The one he described the one girl in a jailhouse

878
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: phone call that he ran over as spaghetti okay, and

879
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: he has women throwing themselves and it's like, what I mean,

880
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: you guys do realize he murdered to like I don't

881
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: understand it. I'm I'm dumbfounded. And he was sentenced to death.

882
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: So it's and yeah, that freaks me out, but I

883
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: guess I'm I'm I shouldn't say I'm used to it.

884
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: But between him and Mangioni, it's just like my con

885
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: like stop stop, so I'm glorifying.

886
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: See I look at the like I look at that guy.

887
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: What's the same the other guy, well, Wade Wilson. Yeah,

888
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: Like I look at him and I'm like, especially before

889
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: he got all those weird tattoos on his face, I

890
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: was like he was hot. He was a handsome guy.

891
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Luigi is a hot, handsome guy. But I don't I

892
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: personally don't feel like I would ever be on their side.

893
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: I think they're terrible people. I'm just like looking at

894
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: their physical structures and saying.

895
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: I was just saying a couple of weeks ago, how

896
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: we have this weird like psychology that attractive people are

897
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: somehow they have to be innocent.

898
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: The just system, the just system messed up. There's no

899
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: way they could.

900
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: Have killed somebody. But then Brian Koberger, who's like a

901
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: disturbing looking person, is one hundred percent guilty because that's

902
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: what he looks like and he has creepy yeah, because

903
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: he does have creepy eyes.

904
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: So let's start talking. Let's start talking about him.

905
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Okay, great segue, great sague.

906
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 3: I think he is one hundred percent guilty in my opinion,

907
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: especially after I read Howard Blum's book. I mean that

908
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: would really open my eyes about a lot of details

909
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: of this case, especially with the gag order. But now

910
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: we have some new evidence, So let's start off talking

911
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: about the text between the roommates.

912
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just to add to and that I

913
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: also read Howard Blum's book and I interviewed him. I've

914
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: got a great interview with him on my podcast, The Outlier,

915
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: and I will say, you know, he's got tunnel vision.

916
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: He definitely covered it from one angle in my opinion.

917
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: And and look, my opinion is that he is guilty,

918
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: like you said, But as this new evidence comes out

919
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: with the text messages and the DNA which we'll get to,

920
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: and there's always been there's always been doubt, right, I

921
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: think that it's not going to be an easy case

922
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: to prove with all of this stuff. But yeah, the

923
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: text message is so weird. I mean I'm sorry, Like,

924
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? It's so odd? So odd?

925
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: And the nine to one one call, and I've always

926
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: thought that. I've always thought that, and now there's there.

927
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: They were possibly texting about like a ski mask being

928
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: involved that he was. I mean, it's just like things

929
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: that maybe we thought and things that we kind of

930
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: found out, you know, about the burglary down the street

931
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. He was ten miles away, that person was

932
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: wearing a ski mask. This is all going to be,

933
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, sit in front of a jury to create

934
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: this doubt in their minds, and I think it's it's

935
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough.

936
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if that guy gets off, Like I

937
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: can't even imagine it, that one, that one will be

938
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: the most disturbing to me of of all time.

939
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: I think he will Like I'm not even trying to

940
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: be dramatic.

941
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying that. Yeah, there's I've been saying this

942
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: is from day one, that it's some kind of weird

943
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: like grad school project that he's trying to prove that

944
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: maybe I don't even know, like he wants to be

945
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: the next Which one was it teg Ted Kazinski or

946
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: one of them that was a very educated person, PhD

947
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: person or something.

948
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: Like that was like Ted Kaczinski. So I don't know.

949
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: If maybe he does, I'm not sure, but it's just.

950
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: Like a weird I feel like he's trying to make

951
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: the ultimate PhD dissertation on some kind of crime and

952
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: and and I just do I think that it's that twisted.

953
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: There's something to it. There's something very unusual about it,

954
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: and the fact that he's on this level he's just

955
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: trying to like he's helping his defense lawyer, which is

956
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: very unusual in any case for a person to really

957
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: know it from that perspective, to be able to throw

958
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: out evidence and this and that. And I think that

959
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: he's using this to his advantage for whatever his PhD

960
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: program is, which I'm assuming he got kicked out of,

961
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: but people will want to listen to him and read

962
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: his book if he eventually has one. So I just

963
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: think that there's more to it. The text message is

964
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: to me, like, this is like trying to read my

965
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: children's text messages. I'm like, what the fuck are you

966
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: even saying? Right now? The way that they talk is

967
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: so difficult for me.

968
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm really confused and right now, yeah, and so

969
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: just let's talk about those text messages. I mean, I

970
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: get it, you've been drinking, you're lazy, maybe you're scared.

971
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: But if you're really confused and you think some in

972
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: the house and your other roommates aren't answering, I mean,

973
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you hide in your bed or

974
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: do you run to that? It's just it's really bizarre

975
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: to me. And I again, there's all these possibilities, and

976
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: you could lay out every single situation as we've done

977
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: on this episode, right with like, well this could happen. Well,

978
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: I believe this, I believe that, and it's just funny

979
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: that and it's not funny, but it's it's weird that

980
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: we seem to keep coming back to that, right, Well,

981
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: what would you do in this situation? Well, I don't

982
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: know if I would do that. I don't know.

983
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: One thing I've been saying for years is there should

984
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: be a text message nine to one to one system somehow,

985
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: because if you ever think about that, being in your

986
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: house alone and thinking that someone's in your house, the

987
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: last thing that you want to do is make a

988
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: phone call and have to talk to somebody because it

989
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: makes so much noise where it's just easier if you

990
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 2: could send a text. I mean, that could go terribly

991
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: wrong too, but if you could send a text to

992
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: your local nine one one and say, like, I'm in trouble,

993
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: this is my address, because you could quietly do that, Yeah,

994
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: and that could just be I mean, you could probably

995
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: interview lots of victims and situations like this that said

996
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: they were scared to call because they didn't want to

997
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: make any noise or something. You know, I don't know

998
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: what I would do, but I think that whatever they did,

999
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: just if you add on top of it that they

1000
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: were pissed ass drunk, it's like they might you know,

1001
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: you might be like, is this really fucking happening?

1002
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: Right?

1003
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: Like is this what I'm seeing? Like not even believing

1004
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: your own brain right there?

1005
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, Yeah, I think it's a lot of that.

1006
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: They're young, they're naive, they were in an area that

1007
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: was considered generally safe. I think in some of these cases,

1008
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: your mind just seriously can't go there that something really

1009
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: wrong is happening. It's the middle of the night, like

1010
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: you're saying, they don't know if he's still in the

1011
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: house necessarily, so they might be scared.

1012
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1013
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: My brain I always can I tell you guys that

1014
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: my brain always goes there and like I'll be laying

1015
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: in bed, I'll have taken like a sleeping pill, okay,

1016
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: and I'll hear some shit in my house and I

1017
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: have like a I have literally I have a weapon

1018
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: like in this draw. I mean I have a lot

1019
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: of weapons, but I have this like lead My husband

1020
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: was sleeping, I was like lead pipe. It's like I

1021
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: got it on Amazon, but it's actually amazing. It's very heavy.

1022
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: I hear something and I'm like, look, I'm tired. I

1023
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: really don't want to get up right now. But I

1024
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: hear some shit. I've got kids, So I get my

1025
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: led pipe and I go out looking and it's one

1026
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: of my kids sleepwalking. But like that feeling is like

1027
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to get up. I don't want to

1028
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: do this. But of course, and maybe that's just my

1029
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: twisted brain. Of course I go to something being wrong

1030
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: in the house, you know, and of course I go

1031
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: into this mode where I want to protect my household.

1032
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: But yeh yeah, I just I can't help that. I'm

1033
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna hide in my room. But that's

1034
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: just me. But I also want to talk about you know,

1035
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: I know you guys do too, But the DNA under

1036
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't Madison Mogan fingernails or with it. Yeah,

1037
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: so the three different types of DNA, we don't know

1038
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: whose it was, but we also don't know that it

1039
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to Brian Coberger. So what I mean, what

1040
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: is a jury going to think of that?

1041
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: So I think that they're trying to throw that evidence away.

1042
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: And the reason that I think that is because at

1043
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: this time they compared it to Brian's and they can't

1044
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: see if it's his. They're not ruling it in or out.

1045
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: They just don't know. But I think at some point

1046
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: in the future there's going to be more specific testing

1047
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: that could say that it is for sure him or not.

1048
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: So if that gets thrown out, I mean that could

1049
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: even be on a company by company basis, and they

1050
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: they're very limited to what they could do as of

1051
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: right now. But I think that at some point it's

1052
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: just like having DNA evidence from before DNA evidence was

1053
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: even a thing, and now it's coming out and you

1054
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: could convict people. It's one of those things that could

1055
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: just stay in the file and be brought up at

1056
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: a later time. I think that's why they're trying to

1057
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: get rid of it.

1058
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: But if they were so confident he wasn't at the scene,

1059
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't they want them to run it so that they

1060
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: were like, Okay, it's definitely not him.

1061
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: Is there a possibility because I don't think that we

1062
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: talk about this enough that there are other people involved

1063
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 2: with this, just because remember when he now this could

1064
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: be a double thing, like he got arrested in the

1065
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: very first thing he said was did anyone else who

1066
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: else has been arrested for this crime? He could have

1067
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: done that to either throw them off and just for

1068
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: that or like it's possible, right right?

1069
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean, and going back to that, the shorter guy

1070
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: with bushy eyebrows and his ski mask who robbed a

1071
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: house ten miles away, who is that? Could they be friends?

1072
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: Especially since he asked that, I don't know. I feel

1073
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: so bad for the families and just you know, Kaylee

1074
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: Gounkova's father. They seem to be just not on the

1075
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: same wavelength as the prosecution, and you know, like they're

1076
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: holding their own press conferences and he's just he's getting harassed.

1077
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's mind blowing how this has just escalated,

1078
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: I guess, and these families they just want to move on.

1079
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: They just want closure, and like you said, Maria, I

1080
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to get it, and

1081
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard to even say that. It's so

1082
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: painful because I can't imagine being them.

1083
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: No, I really can't either. I was saying this when

1084
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: we were on Zone seven a couple of weeks ago too.

1085
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: With Karen Reid, it's like people want her to be

1086
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: prosecuted so badly, but it still doesn't really.

1087
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: Explain what happened.

1088
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: So, like the family, I needs to have closure in

1089
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: some capacity. You could put her in jail or set

1090
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: her free. It doesn't it doesn't really explain everything that's

1091
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: gone on.

1092
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: You are so right, and and not to just totally digress,

1093
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: but I got early access to and I follow that case,

1094
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, very very closely. I actually attended a day

1095
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: of the first trial and reported for Nancy Grace and

1096
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: it was so wild. But I got early access to

1097
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: the idea documentary that's going to be released on March seventeenth.

1098
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I gotta say this is not good for Karen Reid.

1099
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: I've always been in the area of I'm not going

1100
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: to say it's a conspiracy, but nobody has proven to

1101
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: me that she hit him beyond a reasonable doubt. Some

1102
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: of the stuff she says, it's not going to be

1103
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: good for her, especially since the prosecution has actually requested

1104
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: transcripts from these media things that she's done. And she

1105
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: even her fucking idiots said do that stuff like sheds

1106
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: in this document, And well, what I think is because

1107
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: it followed her through the first trial. It's like she's

1108
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: got a camera crew, you know, after certain days of

1109
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: the trial and deliberations and they're in the war room.

1110
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I think she truly thought, and same with her team,

1111
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: that she was going to be found innocent and so

1112
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: she could say all these things and it was going

1113
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: to be done. But I mean, she talks about like

1114
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: how she had six drinks and she goes in like

1115
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: that night, like no one knew how many drinks she had.

1116
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: It was always, oh, did she have nine? That's somebody

1117
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: she paid for. She's like, no, I had six, and

1118
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: then she kind of describes like it was a vodka

1119
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: soda with a shot on the side. And then I

1120
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: pour I was like, oh my gosh, girl, stop stop

1121
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: stop stop stop. So anyway, but you're right, it's not

1122
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna matter whether or not they put her in jail

1123
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: or they don't because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't

1124
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: add up to me. Yeah.

1125
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: I also want to say too, just my opinion that

1126
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: I don't feel like Brian Coberger would work with another

1127
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: person to execute these attacks because I think it could

1128
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: possibly botch his plan. That you know, this this theory

1129
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: that we have that he's doing this as some type

1130
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: of thesis or experiment to point out flaws in the

1131
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: system or whatever he's doing. But I think adding other

1132
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: people in the mix is too risky if that's really

1133
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: what he's trying to do in his angle.

1134
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: In this case, good point. I think it's a DNA

1135
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: could you're like for a person to do something so

1136
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: gruesome and heinous without having any history of any of

1137
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: that history. But do you know he didn't have any

1138
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: history of it. I there's really anything cases though, of

1139
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: like people telling animals like you just don't really know.

1140
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: I just like they try to dig up whatever they

1141
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: can and it's like they're not. It's the whole thing

1142
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: is just freaking weird, you know.

1143
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: I agree, But it's possible. I like him for this.

1144
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: He is the guy, I'm sorry to say, like he

1145
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say he did it.

1146
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: He did it in my opinion, his.

1147
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: His eyes alone convict him.

1148
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I will eat my words. I am so fine

1149
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: to say when I'm wrong, and I'm also fine to

1150
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: change my mind once I'm watching a trial. I mean,

1151
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care. I don't have skin in

1152
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: the game. I think he's guilty. I said, I like

1153
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: him for it, and if someone's gonna prove to me

1154
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: that he didn't do it, I'll be like, Okay, cool,

1155
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I you know, find the guy that did exactly.

1156
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: So this will get us into our next story too,

1157
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: is that he is eligible for firing squad as execution

1158
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: if he gets the death penalty. And we've actually just

1159
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: had a case of it.

1160
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: So wow, Yeah, this guy in South Carolina convicted double murder.

1161
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: He was just executed by firing squad. It's the first

1162
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: time South Carolina's used it and I believe fifteen years.

1163
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they had him on a chair, did you

1164
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: see this, blindfolded with a big X on him basically,

1165
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: and they had three volunteers, I mean not volunteers. They

1166
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: were obviously correctional officers and they worked at the prison,

1167
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: but three volunteers to shoot him. You know, right here.

1168
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: And if that's not the most terrifying thing you've ever heard,

1169
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what is. I mean, I get it,

1170
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: it's it's I guess it's more humane than lethal injection.

1171
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: I've heard horrible things about this, but just thinking about

1172
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: this guy getting blindfolded in a chair with like an

1173
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: X marks the spot is wild.

1174
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: I just think of the other execution methods, you know,

1175
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: like hanging, electric chair, lethal injection, and I'm just like,

1176
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, whatever gets the job done, just do it.

1177
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: Because I've been saying forever that I would prefer to

1178
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: get shot if I had to pick any of them,

1179
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: because it's always done and you're dead and right away.

1180
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: Like they did a study at Emory University on autopsy

1181
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: reports from inmates who are executed by lethal injection, and

1182
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: they found out that most cases of them showed their

1183
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: lungs were really heavy filled with fluid or pulmonary edemon

1184
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: and they died a very slow, painful death similar to drowning.

1185
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Like no thanks, no thanks, it's and it always doesn't

1186
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: work one hundred percent of the time, Like it's just

1187
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: it seems easier. It's the same thing when people say

1188
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: that they would if they had to choose a method

1189
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: of suicide, they would ode on drugs. And it's like, no,

1190
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: you wouldn't. That would be absolutely terrible. If you really

1191
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: want to do something, just get it done easily with

1192
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: a gun. That's that's like, yeah, I think that. I mean,

1193
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: the whole thing sounds terrifying. And now these volunteers have

1194
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: killed the person now in my opinion, which is which

1195
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: is crazy. But like, in my opinion, there's certain people

1196
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: that I would just have, especially like people that her

1197
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: children or something. If you said to me, like, well,

1198
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: you should shoot this person, I'd be like absolutely, and

1199
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: I feel nothing about it, Like I just that's.

1200
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: To say that, but I feel like taking a life

1201
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: would really you would, even if they were horrible.

1202
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let me take it, and I don't have feelings

1203
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: like that.

1204
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: I'll get it to one of your family members or

1205
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: God forbid, your like your child. Yes, I think I

1206
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: would agree with that, and I would be like, okay,

1207
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm fine. But if I don't know, I mean, it's

1208
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: it's tough to put myself in that situation, but I

1209
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: just think, you know, I watched this documentary. It was

1210
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: about the death penalty in Texas, and it was a

1211
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: correctional officer who worked on death row, and finally he

1212
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: just he had to give it up. He was always

1213
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: for the death penalty, but he just saw so much

1214
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: trauma and he dealt with so much, and he also

1215
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: saw an and this is you know, it's interesting, but

1216
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: he just saw how some not all of these people

1217
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: would commit these heinous murders in their teens, be sentenced

1218
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: to death, and then they would change a lot, and

1219
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: they would actually do more good in prison with the

1220
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: other inmates than they would being dead. And he basically

1221
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: said it was Carla fey Tucker, this born again Christian.

1222
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: She was convicted of this horrible double murder with these

1223
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: ice picks and her boyfriend, and you know if they

1224
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: were trying to get her clemency and George Bush was

1225
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: like nope, and then you know, it was just bad.

1226
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: And He's like that was it for me. I was

1227
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: just so after years and years and decades of watching

1228
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: this go down, he said he couldn't do it anymore.

1229
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: So I thought that was really interesting to look at

1230
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: it from that perspective. But I'm all about the death penalty.

1231
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm not mad.

1232
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: Let's say Brian Cooberger is convicted and he does get

1233
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: the death set, and so is it unethical to wish

1234
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: a slow, painful death upon somebody like that? Like why

1235
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: should they get a quick, easy out when they've taken

1236
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: the lives of innocent people and we're strategically planning it out.

1237
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: And it wasn't fast. Those deaths of those four beautiful

1238
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: college students, those were not and they suffered. They suffered.

1239
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: So no, I don't I think that we can have

1240
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: our opinions, but I don't think that'll it'll matter. I

1241
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's got the right to die

1242
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: quickly and painlessly, I guess, But you're right, I would

1243
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: not be out of it.

1244
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. I did like a whole external

1245
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: exam on Mother Nos Death podcast with Matt Mangino.

1246
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: You know him, yeah, yes, on Lare.

1247
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's he's like he wrote a book about executions

1248
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: and stuff, so he's kind of an expert with executions.

1249
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: And it is interesting to hear because he's kind of

1250
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: not into it and he has reasoning that you could

1251
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: that you could maybe see, like just how people like

1252
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: interviewing family members afterwards and just like they're not really

1253
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: any more satisfied that the person's death, like it doesn't

1254
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: do as much for you as you would think it

1255
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: would certain things like that thing. Yeah, so I go

1256
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: back and forth with it because when he was saying

1257
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: certain things to me, I'm kind of like, Okay, I

1258
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: could see your point there, and like you were saying,

1259
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 2: like sometimes they could rehabilitate themselves and and then other

1260
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: times you're like, that person shouldn't even be on the planet.

1261
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't know that the family really

1262
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: feels any differently if they're I think it's more important

1263
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: in certain cases where you're talking about like manson murders

1264
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: and stuff where people are getting released from prison. That's

1265
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: what would scare the shit out of me, is that

1266
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: there was ever a possibility of them getting out.

1267
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: Exactly agreed.

1268
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 3: Did you see what his last meal was? It seemed

1269
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: pretty delicious, KFC. Yeah, it was beans, bash, potatoes, biscuits, cheesecake,

1270
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 3: sweet tea. I always think of this now because there

1271
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: was a guy on TikTok that was making famous prisoners

1272
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: last meals and then ranking them.

1273
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: Wait, oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well wait, this

1274
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: is so random, but one of one of my husbands

1275
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: and and are really good friends. He actually works at Rikers.

1276
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: And there was this article in the Post the other day.

1277
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: One of the very liberal Upper West Side councilwomen was like,

1278
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: we need to get uh, you know, farmed the table

1279
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: meals for these prisoners and like, I'm just like a

1280
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: Riker's Island and I'm like, shut the fuck, you know whatever.

1281
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Speaker 1: And so they have this menu that was listed in

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01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: the post, and my husband's like, man, this this food

1283
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: actually looks good. It's like it's like jerk plapia and stuff.

1284
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, shut up, like, you know, kind

1285
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: of like a dig at my cooking. So we text

1286
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: my friends like we're like, you know, is the chicken,

1287
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Like is this food that good? And my friend actually said, dude,

1288
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: as a CEO, he's like the baked chicken at Riker's Slaps.

1289
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I'm sorry, what is happening right now?

1290
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: He's like, no, we all line up for the baked chicken.

1291
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, weird, Like what is

1292
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, so apparently Riker's baked chicken it's really good.

1293
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, oh my god.

1294
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the Menendez brothers.

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01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know this, I was gonna say, the killing,

1296
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: speaking of you know, doing something when you're a teen,

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01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: This fifteen year old boy killed his mother, claiming that

1298
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: he watched the Menendez Brothers documentary on Netflix and that's

1299
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: what influenced him to do it. My ass, shut up.

1300
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: Don't blame them, really, And then he did the whole

1301
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: Carly Greg thing where he took a picture of his

1302
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: deceased mother and sent it to his friends on Snapchat.

1303
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: Carly Greg, the teen who killed her mother last year,

1304
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: maybe two years ago, I can't remember, did the same thing,

1305
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: texted her friends and said, hey, do you want to

1306
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: see this? I mean, it's it's so disturbing, it's so disturbing,

1307
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: Like ugh.

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: In that Netflix documentary. This is what I'm curious about.

1309
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: Did they talk about the possibility of them getting out

1310
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: because of all of the stuff surrounding.

1311
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly. What they did talk about was

1312
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: the havieus the writ that was, you know, brought forth

1313
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: and filed in twenty twenty three by their attorneys with

1314
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: new evidence, kind of hinting that they should get out,

1315
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: But I mean it didn't really say that they had

1316
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 1: a good chance of getting out, and now I don't

1317
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: think they have a good chance of getting out at

1318
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: all because of Nathan Hoffman, the New DA. It's really

1319
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: it's troubling to me. I I'm one of those people

1320
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: that feel like they committed a savage crime, heinous murders,

1321
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: but it was the why, and you know, they I

1322
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I've seen they're going to end up serving

1323
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: let's say, thirty seven years, thirty six years. I think

1324
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: that they'd be okay if they were released, and I've again,

1325
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: I've gone through this in depth as to why with

1326
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: their trial not being fair, the second one evidence not

1327
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: being permitted, and just all of this stuff, you know,

1328
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: and their record in prison now and how they've done

1329
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: more in prison than some people have done out of prison.

1330
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's not for a five minute segment,

1331
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: but I do think that it they were assaulted. They

1332
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: were brutally assaulted by both of their parents for a

1333
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: long time, So yeah, I think it maybe should have

1334
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 1: and second degree murder.

1335
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting because I feel like everybody

1336
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 3: in our world of like true crime reporting thinks that

1337
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: they should one hundred percent get out and exactly what

1338
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: you just said it was, in no doubt a really

1339
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: horrific crime, but again you have to think of the

1340
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: abuse they encountered when they were little. But I thought

1341
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: it was interesting because Matt Murphy did an interview a

1342
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 3: couple months ago with Heather MacDonald where he said he

1343
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: did not want them to get out of jail, and

1344
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 3: he was a former DA So I think it's interesting

1345
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 3: this new guy is pushing so hard against them where

1346
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 3: it wasn't there a sentence.

1347
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 2: Their resensing hearing.

1348
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 3: Is supposed to be in a couple of weeks, and

1349
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: now he wants to get rid of it.

1350
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: Yes. And the thing is, it's like I think with

1351
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: he already had said per the twenty twenty three habeas filing,

1352
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: he said, no, you're not getting a new trial. That's fine.

1353
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wanted a new trial. I think

1354
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: at that point his lawyers, Garret Goos, was just throwing

1355
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: anything against the wall to see what would stick. So

1356
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't super shocked at that. What I was more

1357
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: shocked at is that he didn't think that the evidence

1358
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: that they put forth between this letter from their deceased

1359
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: cousin or Eric wrote this letter to his cousin saying

1360
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: how bad the abuse was, and he was eighteen years old.

1361
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: It was a few months before the murders. That coupled

1362
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: with Roy Rosella from Menudo saying, oh, yeah, Jose Menendez

1363
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: assaulted me in the Menendez house. This is corroborating evidence.

1364
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: The boys were always assaulted in the house. This was

1365
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,919
Speaker 1: this was a place where Jose Menendez felt the most comfortable.

1366
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: It all makes sense. So I think the fact that

1367
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: the DA just was like, Nope, that's not good enough.

1368
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, well that, to me,

1369
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: that really demonstrates a why this possibly it is not

1370
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: murder one, even though I do agree it was it

1371
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: was planned, you know what I mean, which I don't know.

1372
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: It's tough. I just think it was.

1373
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: I can see why because I like, I can understand

1374
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: Matt Murphy's point, because you don't want to set a

1375
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: precedent that like if even if you were abused as

1376
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: a child, and because it's kind of like Gypsy Rose right,

1377
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: like you're not directly killing someone in self defense, but

1378
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: it's more for like a revenge or thing like once

1379
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: that's precedent sent then like that kid that just killed

1380
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: his mom. I'm sure he had a reason to do it.

1381
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Like any kid that's killing their parent probably like had

1382
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 2: a fucked up childhood, right, you could you could probably

1383
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: put two and two together and they might be killing

1384
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: their parents people all the time. I feel like they

1385
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: got added like mental issues. Yeah, until issues too, but

1386
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: but a lot of times, like a fifteen year old

1387
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: like that, that stuff can start popping its head at

1388
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 2: that time. But like schizophrenia and stuff is usually older,

1389
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: like in their twenties, twenties and thirties, not so young.

1390
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: Not that it can't happen that young, but you just

1391
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: have Like if you went on every single case, you

1392
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 2: could look back even at that Nicholas Cruz kid that

1393
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: killed all those kids in Parkland, Florida, and when you

1394
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 2: hear about how he grew up, you're kind of like,

1395
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so sad that a kid grew

1396
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: up like that, and and and like of course he

1397
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: screwed up when he gets older, you know. But if

1398
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: you did that with every person, then no one would

1399
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: ever be like, oh no, I believe you.

1400
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: And it's case by case. But like with his story

1401
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz, it's kind of like, you know, I don't

1402
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: care these people didn't do anything to you. Yes, you're

1403
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: messed up. And with Menendez, I mean again, give them

1404
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: forty years in jail, right, give them for that's an

1405
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: entire lifetime. Okay. I'm not saying that they should have

1406
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 1: gotten off, Oh my god, No, they should have definitely

1407
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: gotten punished. I'm just saying at this point in time,

1408
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think they're a threat to society, and

1409
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: I think they deserve it a second chance at life.

1410
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: But I just I you're right. I don't think that

1411
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: we should set this precedent that you should get off

1412
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: because you've experienced trauma and you know you were a vigilante.

1413
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I think Menendez brothers is different. I have

1414
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: seen the remorse in them, you know, through various interviews.

1415
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: I've seen I mean they in thirty six years, not

1416
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: one fight. I mean Eric got like one fight in

1417
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. But I mean they were you know,

1418
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: there are reports of guys like throwing shit at Lyle

1419
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: during sports games, just really trying to get under their skin.

1420
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: And these guys just they turn the other cheek, they

1421
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: go the other way. I mean, it's it's all. I

1422
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's tough. It's I admit, it's not

1423
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: black and white here.

1424
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: It's hard too, because when you listen to like Gypsy Rose,

1425
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: for example, I feel like it's a similar situation, Like

1426
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: there was this not the same kind of abuse, the

1427
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: sexual abuse versus this Munchau's and abuse whatever. But she

1428
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: planned that murder as well. And but like if she

1429
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,799
Speaker 2: did it herself, not hired because the boyfriend got in trouble.

1430
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: He's in jail for life, right or something that they

1431
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: thought of John is it, I mean, the one that

1432
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: killed her. But I'm saying, like, let's say that was

1433
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose, what what trouble would she have gotten into

1434
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 2: at that point? Because it's kind of the same thing

1435
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: with the Menendez.

1436
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: I think she would have gone to prison, possibly longer.

1437
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: I think the only reason she was released is because

1438
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: she didn't commit the act and because of what happened

1439
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: to her, which is incredibly sad. But I can also

1440
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: imagine being like Nick Gotojohn is not mentally there. I mean,

1441
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: I've seen interviews with him. I've kind of dug into that,

1442
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, this kid is this kid's wacky,

1443
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: like and I don't know if it's like it's a

1444
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: diagnosis of a mental illness, but it's sure as hell

1445
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: seems like it. And when she's released and he isn't,

1446
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: it is kind of weird because he wouldn't have done

1447
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: it if it wasn't for her. However, he was so

1448
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: fragile and crazy that I do feel like somebody in

1449
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: his path may have died at some point.

1450
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: I thought I could be misremembering this because I haven't

1451
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 3: covered this case in so long, but I thought that

1452
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 3: she made him private to the abuse, but he like

1453
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 3: really suggested executing that, and then she, I don't remember exactly.

1454
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: I thought he had a heavier hand in it than her.

1455
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: She, I mean she she definitely, I think, as I recall,

1456
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: suggested it, and he, of course, you know, exacerbated it

1457
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: and was very very much a willing participant, to the

1458
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: point that he even contemplated raping Dedie Blanchard, which is,

1459
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: I know, horrible, and he even told Gypsy that, I mean,

1460
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: it's Gypsy very guilty. But again, yeah, like, look what

1461
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: was happening to her, I cannot imagine. But still it's

1462
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: like to have your brain actually go to that point,

1463
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: it must have been bad. You have to think to

1464
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: have your brain say let's just murder her, you know

1465
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: what I mean, let's just murder them. I mean, what.

1466
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 3: Always sticks with me is she said her life in

1467
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 3: prison was better than her life with her mother, which

1468
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 3: is it's very disheartening. And I must the Menenda's brothers

1469
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: must feel the same way, like, yeah, you're in prison,

1470
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 3: but at least you're not getting raped.

1471
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: Have they ever Have they ever experienced or expressed any

1472
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: regret over killing the parents?

1473
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's what's so big

1474
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: to me is that they You know, there's interviews from

1475
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: God from Barbara Walters in nineteen ninety seven to interviews

1476
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: from I don't know, maybe twenty fifteen or something like

1477
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: that with Eric and Larry King, and I've analyzed those

1478
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: and I think it was Larry King who asked him

1479
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: when he was on with his wife Tammy, you know,

1480
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: do you regret this? Like point blank? And he said immensely, so,

1481
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: immensely so. And even Barbara Walters when she said, you know,

1482
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: I forget what it was what she asked them, but

1483
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: Eric was just like, no, I don't feel better about

1484
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: anything like you think I feel good about this. This

1485
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: was the whole reason he went to doctor Ozell because

1486
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't. He was about to kill himself if he

1487
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't tell someone what they did. And that's pretty much

1488
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: why they got caught, because of doctor Ozellamy's tapes, and

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, and like I said, don't get me started.

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: I just think this case is so complex, and I

1491
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: think that the DA is not he's he's looking strictly

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: at the law, which obviously he should, and the constitution

1493
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: and what happened in the aftermath of their lies, and

1494
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: the fact that they blame the mafia, and it's like,

1495
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: I just I think that it's more than that.

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: But let's get into the medical news of the day.

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: This story, as a person that's going to have children

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: in the near future is bumming me out a lot,

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 3: because this woman was twenty six years old in the UK,

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01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: she got pregnant, and she had such extreme mourning sickness

1501
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: that she ended up taking her own life.

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: Did you have morning sickness with your kids?

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: No, I was. I was very blessed. I didn't have

1504
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: any type of sickness, and so I don't know what

1505
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: that really feels like, did you, No?

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: I really didn't, like maybe slight waves of nausea like

1507
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 2: once or twice, but I never threw up or anything.

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01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Amy Schumer had talked about there's

1509
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: like that condition.

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01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: What is that called hypereminist gravitterum, Like.

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01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. No, she said it was so bad

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: she couldn't get out. So I I, you know, my

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: heart goes out to these women. I have no idea

1514
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,919
Speaker 1: what it's like, so I feel horrible.

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01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Kate Middleton had it too. Do you

1516
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 2: remember that she had to get hospitalized because of it,

1517
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, she's so skinny and this and that.

1518
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: But if you're vomiting all the time, you're not keeping

1519
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: any weight on, and you're losing a lot of fluid,

1520
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: it's really bad.

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01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 3: I worry about this with my future endeavors because I'm

1522
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 3: like a chronically nauseous person.

1523
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this.

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 3: Just seems like I understand, because like I always get

1525
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: like TMI, like so nauseous around my period and stuff.

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01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: So I'm just like, I guess nothing's TMI on this

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: show anymore.

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01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: We've talked about everything, but.

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01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: I've always I've always just so nauseous around that time,

1530
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: and like I really I don't understand to this level,

1531
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 3: of course, but being nauseous is the worst feeling on

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:51,919
Speaker 3: the planet.

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01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: Agreed.

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01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: I agree, and a lot of so a lot of

1535
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: women that experience this condition report that their doctors or

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: not taking their symptoms seriously. And you could believe. You

1537
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: could believe that because I mean, ray, think how many

1538
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: times you went to guynecologists and Tom about this like

1539
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: weird butthole cramp you get or something during your period

1540
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: and they just they're just like, oh, what, like they

1541
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 2: don't want to address what it could be, and they

1542
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: just blow you off a lot.

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 3: For fifteen years, I've been at the doctor been like

1544
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: I am in like horrific pain, Like when I have

1545
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 3: my period, I like can't leave my house sometimes, and

1546
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 3: like it totally goes against my personality because I'm like

1547
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 3: I have to work all the time and I have

1548
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 3: stuff to do. And everybody was blowing me off. And

1549
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 3: then I started going to another doctor last year and

1550
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: then there was a thought maybe I had PCOS that

1551
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 3: was debunked a couple months later and now confirmed I

1552
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: do have been to betriosis and I have to get surgery.

1553
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I've been saying this for fifteen years,

1554
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: but it's so frustrating. I'm sorry, that's annoying.

1555
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 3: It is what it is. I feel like as women

1556
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 3: were just so used to it, so like this doesn't

1557
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: surprise me. This woman was getting blown off when she's like,

1558
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: my nausea is at a level where it shouldn't be,

1559
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 3: and they're just like, here's meds, but you really shouldn't

1560
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 3: take them because it could harm your unborn child.

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, no, it's true. But just to make

1562
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: give you a better I am also the most nauseous person,

1563
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: which is weird. I throw up in cars, I throw

1564
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: up on boats. I can't even go fishing half the time,

1565
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: and like I said, I really don't remember anything. Because

1566
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you, nothing is worse than when you're

1567
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: either on the brink of throwing up, when you feel

1568
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: so nauseous that you can't. It is hands down one

1569
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: of the worst feelings that you can have. Like and

1570
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: even when you don't get that relief after you throw up.

1571
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: So my god, that is the word.

1572
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that's crazy. This poor girl, Oh my gosh,

1573
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: that's awful.

1574
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: But only they have medicine you could take, you know,

1575
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: she was I mean the things worded weird because it

1576
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 2: said she was prescribed medication and then someone told her

1577
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: that it would be harmful. But I'm like, well, who

1578
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: gave it to you and then who told you not

1579
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: to take it because it would be harmful? I'm not sure, but.

1580
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: You you also have think like if she went as

1581
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: far as to take her own life, there might have

1582
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: been some underlying issues there. I mean, yeah, you know

1583
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it can't be just because of her,

1584
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: Like did she leave a note that said like, I

1585
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I didn't see anything that said she

1586
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: left a note that said I am so nauseous that

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01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is that if you really have

1589
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: this condition throughout your pregnancy, your in and out of hospitalization,

1590
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: and you're chronically dehydrated and stuff, that could cause a

1591
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: lot of different changes in your brain as well, just

1592
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: from being in a state of like that all the time.

1593
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: So it could be a direct effect of just being

1594
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: chronic dehydration or I mean it just a lot of things.

1595
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: Like So there's this condition that I was diagnosed with

1596
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: a couple summers ago called polymorphic light eruption, And what

1597
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: happens is when I'm exposed to uv L like it's

1598
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 2: usually like the first time I'm out in the sun,

1599
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: like in May or something, I get this crazy allergic

1600
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: reaction in my skin and it causes this itching all

1601
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: over my body that doesn't go away for like a month.

1602
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: It's terrible, and but that's all it does. It's just

1603
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: involves the skin. But there's all these like links of

1604
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: depression associated with this condition, because imagine your skin itching

1605
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: for that many days in a row and not being

1606
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 2: able to take any medication to make it go away.

1607
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: It's just like, even though it's not directly related to

1608
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: any kind of brain pathology per se, it causes you

1609
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: to have depression and anxiety because of the condition. So

1610
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: it could be something as simple as just like feeling

1611
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: like you feel so sick and you just can't believe

1612
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 2: that there's nothing that anybody could do to help you.

1613
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's a good point. Oh my gosh,

1614
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: sounds awful.

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01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 2: Gosh, guys, do you guys know about this medication that's

1616
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 2: called thalletamide. It was it was back in the nineteen

1617
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties that they used to get women for nausea,

1618
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 2: wearing pregnancy, and it.

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: It made the babies have tiny.

1620
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 2: Lips yet yes, yes, yeah, So it's like I understand

1621
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: being pregnant and being scared to death because they tell

1622
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: you that something safe and then all of a sudden

1623
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 2: it isn't. And during this case, I mean, I know

1624
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: that this was a long time ago now, but there

1625
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: were ten to twenty thousand babies that were affected. Forty

1626
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 2: percent of them died shortly after birth, and the ones

1627
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: that survived had terrible deformities like very short limbs, arms

1628
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: and legs, and urinary track deformities, eye deformities. It's it

1629
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: was so terrible so I could and it was just

1630
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: something as simple as like nausea medication during pregnancy, So

1631
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 2: you gotta be weary.

1632
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's an actor Matt Fraser. I don't know

1633
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: if you've heard of him. He's on a bunch of

1634
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: the American horror stories. But he's honestly, objectively a gorgeous guy.

1635
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: But he has this condition because his mom took that

1636
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,839
Speaker 1: medication when he was born. Like, look him up. It's

1637
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: Matt with one T and then f R a s er.

1638
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: You might recognize him. But like I said, he he

1639
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: is very handsome, but he you can tell he has.

1640
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really scary. So all right,

1641
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: let's let's talk about the other death news. This is

1642
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: kind of a lighthearted but very deep dark story as well.

1643
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say this is lighthearted at all. Well, it's

1644
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting debate.

1645
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: I'll say, I guess, like compared to other stories we

1646
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 3: talked about. But as person wrote into Dear Abbey, they

1647
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: explained that they lost their sixteen year old daughter to

1648
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: leukemia two years ago, and when they normally visit her grave,

1649
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 3: they will put nice seasonal or holiday decorations. Other loved

1650
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 3: ones will come by with fresh flowers or nice little trinkets.

1651
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 3: But somebody in their family is going and putting really

1652
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 3: tacky decorations, and one that left a stain on the gravestone.

1653
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 3: So I guess they're writing in for advice on like,

1654
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 3: should you make a rule that's like you can only

1655
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 3: do certain decorations or you have to stop coming to

1656
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 3: visit my de see daughter. So what do you guys

1657
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: think about this?

1658
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: Oh? I would be so I would be so crazy

1659
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: about that because I'm just like crazy about you know,

1660
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: a leaf being out of place on my front lawn.

1661
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: So that would just drive me nuts. I will listen,

1662
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 2: when you lose a child, I feel like like if

1663
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: everybody else and everything else in the world, you could

1664
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: just feel free to let all of your thoughts out

1665
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: and if it's bothering, you tell them and who cares

1666
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: who it is.

1667
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually in agreement with you. I mean, it doesn't matter.

1668
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: It's her kid, she can say what she wants. It's

1669
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, it's it's it's up

1670
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: to her. Like, clearly, if I did that, I would

1671
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: feel horrible. I'd be like, I'm so sorry. I would

1672
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: just you know, completely back down, even if I kind of,

1673
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 1: you know, didn't mean to or that wasn't my intention

1674
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: to obviously upset her. I just would not even say

1675
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: a word. I would just say I'm sorry. And I

1676
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: would never do anything like that again. Yeah, because I.

1677
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: Think it's not even necessarily the appearance of the deck.

1678
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 3: It's the fact that they're cheap and leaving stains and

1679
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 3: like deteriorating and leaving a miss And I think people

1680
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: need to be more considerate about things like that.

1681
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't you know, people probably

1682
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: don't even think about that stuff. They like go to

1683
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: the Dollar store and get these silk flowers or whatever.

1684
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: But then the die, like I understand, the dies would

1685
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 2: like run off and everything, and you don't think about

1686
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 2: getting like high quality items for something that's going to

1687
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: be outside like that all the time. It's just something

1688
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: that somebody didn't something didn't they didn't think about, you know. Yeah,

1689
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: all right, Laurence, So tell us about you have this special.

1690
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: I saw you on TV the other day for an

1691
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 2: advertisement for one of our exciting stories that we like

1692
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: to talk about on here from time to time. So

1693
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 2: why don't you let us know about that?

1694
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: Yes, you can stream it doesn't end with us on

1695
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Fox Nation Now. And it's it's actually a really it's

1696
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: only thirty minutes. It'll take you through the inception of

1697
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: the legal drama between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. It'll

1698
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: explain it through myself and a couple of lawyers and

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Speaker 1: somebody who works in PR crisis management, which you know,

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01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: it's really helpful to hear it from all different types

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01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: of perspectives. So I actually thought I knew the case

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01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: really well and I learned a lot from from the docs.

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01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: So to tell us some of what you learned because

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01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: we're always into the Blake Lively you see.

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01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 1: You know when I say what I've learned, I guess

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean like certain protocols in the legal system and

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01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: just certain things like you know, the fact that she

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01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 1: had to file this complaint first with the California Civil

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Speaker 1: Rights Department before she could take this public as you know,

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01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: this big giant defamation sexual harassment lawsuit. Like there's things

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01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: that she had to go through. And also the way

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01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: that I mean, you just have to watch it, Like

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01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: there's there's so many little things that I just did

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01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: not pick up on at the beginning that I was like, oh, yeah, okay,

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01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: got it, but just watch it please. I beg of

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01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: you thirty minutes. It'll it'll be great. You'll you'll really

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01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. It's escapism at its finest. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's you know, it's it's kind of

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01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: like just straight privilege, Like these people have so much

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01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: time to do something like this. And I guess if

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: you think that Blake Lively is actually a victim, which unfortunately,

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01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: from an objective standpoint as to what I've seen so far,

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01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: I do not. So I actually think that she's you know,

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of a slap on the face to real survivors.

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01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: And in my opinion, again, if this actually goes to

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: trial and I see all of this evidence, I will

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01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: eat my words and I will say, Blake Lively, I

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01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: am so sorry. But again, what I've seen, I don't

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01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: see a woman that has been you know, sexually harassed

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01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: and a guy that is just a total creep doing

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: this to her. I just I don't see it. I

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: saw a hostile takeover.

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Speaker 2: I think they really like ruin their case with the

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Speaker 2: whole Saturday Night Live thing and people bringing up like

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01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 2: if you're if your wife was really a victim of

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01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: sexual harassment, you would never make a joke about that,

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01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 2: Like it's just so weird.

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, at a touch and would you go to I mean,

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01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: she's at south By Southwest Film Festival this past weekend

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01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: and she still seems really inauthentic, just not genuine. She's

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: up there talking about how I didn't even want to

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01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: film a simple favor in Italy, but then like they

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01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: serve ice cream and lemons and like you're just like

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01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: listen to yourself and Anna Kendrick. I'm not a body

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01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: language expert, but her body language. She was just like

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01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: mm yeah, and then oh.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering that I don't know who that chick is,

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01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 2: but I was like, she's grossed out right now by

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01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: like I cause I sit there and look at my

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 2: phone with the volume off all the time, right and

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01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm just watching this girl in

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01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: the background, and I'm like, oh, she's like not happy

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01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: about what she's saying right now. And then I listened

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01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: to it afterwards. It's it's interesting to watch her body language. Well,

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01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: I got that funny.

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Speaker 3: She was getting criticized for going to the premiere for

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01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 3: a movie which she's just going to work. But I

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01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 3: agree with you in the sense of you can't just

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 3: show up, do a carpet and not necessarily talk to anybody.

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 3: It's what I've been saying about Alec Baldwin too. Just

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01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: disappear for a little bit. It's okay, Well, like I.

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Speaker 1: Am other thoughts on that. But however, Blake Lively, she

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01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: did not do the carpet. She specifically avoided the carpet,

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: and I know exactly why because hello acts as Hollywood

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01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: you know whoever this weekly, they'd be on the carpet

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: asking her about the lawsuit. But what she didn't have

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01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: to do, as you said, is get up there and

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01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: just act like so privileged, like just so. But I

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01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: agree she had to promote her movie. Fine, it just

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01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: it was strange. She just didn't seem like what she

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01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: alleges in the lawsuit that her family is going through

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01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: this emotional trauma and this emotional damage. However, you can

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01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: say from the other perspective, she has to go through

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01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: all of this. But with Alec Baldwin, I think at

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01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: this point he is going to go bankrupt, I mean rusted.

1776
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: How much money did he lose on that He's got

1777
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: to give it all to Helena Hutchins's family, and that's

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01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: what why I think he did this show that he's doing.

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01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: And that's also why he's got to sue uh, you know,

1780
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and he's got to sue the prosecutors who literally,

1781
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean did some shady shit. I will say not

1782
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: the biggest Alec Baldwin fan, but he's I think there's

1783
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: reasons that he's doing this right now.

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01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, what else are you follow you? Yeah, what

1785
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: are you working on? Anything else that you want to

1786
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: talk about? Or yeah, just let everybody know.

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01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: Stop talking. I'll stop talk. Yeah. Follow me YouTube at

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01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 1: pop Prime TV. You can go to my website Popcrime

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Speaker 1: dot tv, Instagram at Lauren Emily Conlin, TikTok Lauren Conlin

1790
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I feel like I'm just what am

1791
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 1: I not working on right now? Probably too much stuff,

1792
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: which is why I give everything sixty percent.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, thanks so much for being here. It

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