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Speaker 1: by one of the very phases on Mount Zeitmore hilarious
Speaker 1: and brilliant producer, TV writer.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Solidarity.
Speaker 3: T Hey Solidarity, Welcome.
Speaker 2: I've and having trouble with some of the Union songs.
Speaker 4: Man, it's it's a little the Union song canon got
Speaker 4: a little white. And then briefly I was like playing
Speaker 4: like communist party Chinese music on my hype up to
Speaker 4: the picket line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little weird. A lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: killing motherfuckers in those songs. You didn't you can sing
Speaker 2: like bela Chow.
Speaker 3: You know, there's like that one good old, good old
Speaker 3: yarn from the Italians anthem.
Speaker 4: You know what, Yeah, there's there's a probably there's a
Speaker 4: bunch of that, you know. Then there's probably a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff in Spanish that is that's my fault that
Speaker 4: I went to Chinese copy.
Speaker 2: Let you know first, you.
Speaker 1: Know, so's everybody out there singing Richmond north of Richmond.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not. It's the That was more of
Speaker 4: a beginning of the strike thing. I think that was
Speaker 4: when we were all like try to like try to
Speaker 4: be serious, try. I think what it was was we're
Speaker 4: trying to impress the teamsters, like we're cool, we're down,
Speaker 4: and now it's now it's just kind of at.
Speaker 2: Your backs, just not picking up the signs. Oh my god, it's.
Speaker 4: Really it's really it's been. It's been a good strike.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you guys in a minute, but you know,
Speaker 4: strike it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's why we wanted to have you on
Speaker 3: because just there's it's constantly changing.
Speaker 2: And I think also our understanding of the industry.
Speaker 3: I think, especially for like people outside of California, for shit,
Speaker 3: outside of LA have like a very like a perspective
Speaker 3: on what's happening, and it's not fully formed. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, to the purpose of today is to really
Speaker 3: like roll our sleeves up, give some perspective and talk
Speaker 3: about like what's at stake here truly, because we definitely
Speaker 3: got a good intro.
Speaker 2: When Adam Connover came on. And now that like things
Speaker 2: are slowly developing, we know a little bit more.
Speaker 3: We kind of wanted to come back because this affects
Speaker 3: like eighty percent of our listener's favorite guests, Like most
Speaker 3: of y'all realize. All the comedians that we have on,
Speaker 3: a lot of them spend time in writers' rooms because
Speaker 3: that's the they ain't.
Speaker 2: Like Marcella said, she's like, it ain't happen. You're not
Speaker 2: getting it from stand up.
Speaker 3: So I get while the homies end up going to
Speaker 3: write because that's a way to car about a life
Speaker 3: for yourself.
Speaker 2: So anyway, looking forward to talking, I get it.
Speaker 1: You guys have eaten it California Pizza Kitchen. You think
Speaker 1: you understand what the strike is all about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean right, you get it.
Speaker 2: You got you Now you've got a m c p K. Right,
Speaker 2: you could bash those.
Speaker 1: Yeah we sho mcp K.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know. We'll work on it.
Speaker 3: Re sounding that out just to make sure the h
Speaker 3: comes in.
Speaker 2: But oh oh yeah, yeah that's tough. That's tough for
Speaker 2: a tough one. Uh a, mr cpk. Yeah, it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: doesn't we need a bigger room. We need a bigger
Speaker 2: room to work.
Speaker 4: You know, if we had, if we had enough enough
Speaker 4: minds to do this, yeah, we could come up.
Speaker 2: We give you the proper products. Sorry about that, That's right, exactly.
Speaker 2: What is something from your search history?
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, yesterday I was googling The Walking Dead and
Speaker 5: I kind of went down like a rabbit hole because
Speaker 5: I fell off of the show and I used to
Speaker 5: love the comics, and I was like, oh, do I
Speaker 5: like get back into us? But now I see that
Speaker 5: there are like four spinoff shows that I just didn't
Speaker 5: just didn't watch, and the show ended in its eleventh season.
Speaker 5: I was like, there's just no way I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: able to do. There's now like a Star Trek amount
Speaker 5: the Walking Dead that I'm just never gonna I probably
Speaker 5: never will get catch backed up. But I was just
Speaker 5: kind of seeing what each one of them was. So
Speaker 5: a lot of the searches, it's just like the various
Speaker 5: like Wikipedia entries for each show, and then it's like,
Speaker 5: why is that person have a strange name? And I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I've seen them in this and this
Speaker 5: and this or whatever, and so I kind of just
Speaker 5: went down a walking a Walking Dead Rabbit Hole was
Speaker 5: the most recent recent walking.
Speaker 2: Like how many? There's like Fear the Walking Dead.
Speaker 5: There's Fear of the Walking Dead. There's Dead City, which
Speaker 5: is a sequel to The Walking Dead. There's the Daryl
Speaker 5: Dixon Show that's also a sequel.
Speaker 2: There's a prequel, isn't there. There's there's what's it called
Speaker 2: no Shoot? Let me pull it up? That he tails
Speaker 2: up The Walking Dead, The Walking Dead World Beyond.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, that one is like a story set in
Speaker 5: the future or something. And then there's a new Oh,
Speaker 5: there's a new one coming out that brings back Rick
Speaker 5: Grimes and Micheon and that one I believe is called
Speaker 5: The People Who Live or something like that. My god, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's or The Ones Who Live is coming in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. Because they were skinned. They Andrew Lincoln left
Speaker 5: the show and they were gonna do these movies with
Speaker 5: him as Rick Grimes and he was gonna be like
Speaker 5: a blockbuster like action hero basically, and they just never
Speaker 5: did that. They just like never did so he took
Speaker 5: him out of the show. He's like the best guy
Speaker 5: there and he's like the lead of the comic book
Speaker 5: series too.
Speaker 2: And they took him out of the show.
Speaker 5: They're like, we gotta be here, we got to put
Speaker 5: him in movies, and then they just never did it.
Speaker 5: And now they're bringing him back for a spinoff series
Speaker 5: after the show has ended.
Speaker 6: Weird.
Speaker 1: What it's like the character left TV to pursue a
Speaker 1: film career exactly, Like usually it's like the actor, like
Speaker 1: Clooney leaves the yard to pursue a film career. You see,
Speaker 1: like the character and it like it fails to launch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just too many now and I am interested
Speaker 5: in catching up, but I just don't know if i'll
Speaker 5: I just don't know if I'll do all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you like? What is there?
Speaker 3: Is there a season that they consider like the peak?
Speaker 3: Because I stopped watching after Frank Dearrebanc was like off it,
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: I stopped for a while. I actually probably did.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about this yesterday and I was like,
Speaker 5: when did I stop watching it? Like because there was
Speaker 5: a consensus or where I or at least I thought.
Speaker 5: I was like, the show has kind of fallen off,
Speaker 5: but I'm still watching it, Like I kind of stick
Speaker 5: with shows even if I don't love it.
Speaker 2: Like I watched all of Dexter like I've seen every day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you gonna watch it?
Speaker 1: Because that's an expanded television universe that's coming, right.
Speaker 2: I can't watch. Oh did you watch the New Ship too?
Speaker 2: I watched the new one too.
Speaker 3: Oh did they make amends for just the I mean
Speaker 3: once it ended, I was like, all right, yeah, fuck
Speaker 3: you two.
Speaker 5: I thought I thought the New Thing, I can't remember
Speaker 5: what it was called. I thought it was pretty good
Speaker 5: compared to the final season of how it ended, But
Speaker 5: I don't think they could ever capture the heights of
Speaker 5: the John Lithgow season. Like that was just like such,
Speaker 5: that was like lightning in a bottle. The show was
Speaker 5: not that good before that and never as good after that.
Speaker 5: Like it was just like a lucky strike kind of When.
Speaker 3: Edward James almost was a fucking figment of yeah, motherfuckers,
Speaker 3: I was like, you really went that deep in the
Speaker 3: season to be like, sorry, y'all, this was just some
Speaker 3: fake shit, this figment of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is terrible.
Speaker 3: Right anyway, Winded Walking Dead peak just so I know
Speaker 3: when to go up to.
Speaker 5: I feel like when Meagan comes, when Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Speaker 5: comes into the series, that's like it's it's it's huge
Speaker 5: in the comics too, Like he's such a presence and
Speaker 5: he's such a like dominant figure in the series, and
Speaker 5: he's such like a like just a top villain. I
Speaker 5: think that, like, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan's performance in it
Speaker 5: is so so great that I think it elevated it
Speaker 5: to quite a bit because also, like you're you're you're
Speaker 5: used to the core group at that point, and you're like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, now he's in here, and he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 5: if you're familiar with the comics, start getting some RBIs.
Speaker 2: But he like he's baseba Yeah, he's he's a big
Speaker 2: baseball bat guy.
Speaker 5: Let's say and let's say he hits dangers, this guy,
Speaker 5: but he they sort of I don't know, they they
Speaker 5: he does it, and then he's around for a little bit.
Speaker 5: But then they, like I heard, they like make him good,
Speaker 5: and like I don't think I don't remember if the
Speaker 5: comics ever made him good. But then, you know, I
Speaker 5: stuck through it with until Andrew Lincoln left. I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I think we're good here. This is fine.
Speaker 5: I think I'm done. Thanks though, And that was always
Speaker 5: like season six, season seven or something, and it went
Speaker 5: like five more seasons like.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, we'll good to know it's round six. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are they all like kind of of the same quality
Speaker 1: like that, because it seems, yeah, like that's the impression
Speaker 1: I get, like The Walking Dead and then like Dead
Speaker 1: City and yeah, I spin shows also seem to be
Speaker 1: like all named by somebody who was like trying to
Speaker 1: come up with it, like he had fifteen minutes to
Speaker 1: come up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the names of every series red mission the next
Speaker 2: twenty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like, Okay, we're just gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: rapid fire some off just like there's of course the
Speaker 5: Ones Who Live, which doesn't sound like it sounds like
Speaker 5: a daytime, so like it doesn't sound like it's the
Speaker 5: Walking Dead universe or just like.
Speaker 2: A plot description. Yeah, yeah, it's just about the ones
Speaker 2: who live.
Speaker 1: You call it like the Final Girls or like you
Speaker 1: know some some none. No, it's just like the they're
Speaker 1: the ones who like from the other part where the.
Speaker 5: People a bunch of bunch of Harry Potters walking around, right,
Speaker 5: But I think there I haven't I don't know anybody
Speaker 5: that watched the spinoffs and were like these are as
Speaker 5: good like these are these are these are of similar
Speaker 5: quality because like the Frank Dearbont season was kind of
Speaker 5: like its own thing because it was like pretty serious
Speaker 5: and not that the other shows became like less serious
Speaker 5: or whatever, but they became pulpier. I think like his
Speaker 5: was more of a grounded take and his like after
Speaker 5: that it became just like a horror like you know,
Speaker 5: sort of just like blockbustery type of like show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was all about the art when it
Speaker 2: comes to Zombie Apocalypse now, yeah, it was more, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it was cinema as compared to you know,
Speaker 5: the MCU of the.
Speaker 2: Of the Walking Dead Universe. Dead City. Yeah, welcome to
Speaker 2: Dead City. This city is dead, Kenny. What's something you
Speaker 2: think is overrated?
Speaker 7: Robots? Robots are overrated, dude. I was just I was
Speaker 7: walking through Green Point in Brooklyn to day and they
Speaker 7: got a new coffee shop where a robot serves you coffee,
Speaker 7: and people are actually going in there and giving their
Speaker 7: money to a robot. And I don't understand why we're
Speaker 7: letting this happen. We just have to roundly reject this.
Speaker 7: There is no advantage to this other than the novelty.
Speaker 7: It's like insane. Yeah, barista is a job that needs
Speaker 7: to exist in society. You know, like what, why why
Speaker 7: there's coffee shops everywhere? Why would you ever go to
Speaker 7: the robot one? Maybe once to see it? Sure, but
Speaker 7: this is like insane. Literally, human beings have been warning
Speaker 7: about us about this since the fifties, just before even
Speaker 7: the technology for this to happen. Philip K. Dick was like, no,
Speaker 7: man can't do it. And it's just been steady drumbeat
Speaker 7: of some of the smartest people on the planet being like,
Speaker 7: we shouldn't be doing this, and we just we can't
Speaker 7: help ourselves, right, And.
Speaker 1: I just invented a thing. I'm quitting now. It's really bad.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like living a bunker now. Wasn't there
Speaker 1: that like Google AI person who is like whoops? I
Speaker 1: thought maybe this is gonna be bad in like fifteen years.
Speaker 1: It turns out the next three I'm quitting. Good day
Speaker 1: to you all.
Speaker 7: It's insane, man, And like, who who benefits it isn't us?
Speaker 7: No one, No one hearing this is in the tax
Speaker 7: bracket where this is good for you. This is just
Speaker 7: slave labor. They're making robots so they can replace human
Speaker 7: labor and have no overhead, and that's so obvious, and
Speaker 7: somehow we're just like pretty cool. The my door dash
Speaker 7: guy's a robot, Now that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Hey. You know my thing is like I hate tipping.
Speaker 2: I just can't tip people.
Speaker 3: It's just disturbing when these people are with their hat
Speaker 3: in hand, being like can I get a tip with robots? Ah,
Speaker 3: guess what, don't need to tip them, So I say,
Speaker 3: bring it on, you know.
Speaker 2: And you can fuck each other in front of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's true.
Speaker 1: No judgment, no judgment, no judgment, even though there's no
Speaker 1: way that they have cameras present or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So this looks really stupid, this robot like in robo barista.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fucking like, I like, to your point, can
Speaker 3: you like I get that you might pop in and
Speaker 3: be like let me let me watch it make a cut,
Speaker 3: Like I'll watch someone else buy it and then I'll
Speaker 3: just leave after the show, versus like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like the people. The way they're saying it's like advantageous
Speaker 3: is like the robots are consistent.
Speaker 7: Hmm, it's coffee dog like yeah, room for cream you
Speaker 7: put everything else in it? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: I've never like, yeah, I had like a latta and
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, they really fucked up. That's the milk
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 7: And this is also like it's not like barista's are
Speaker 7: jobs for like people that are doing other things, Like
Speaker 7: do you know what I'm saying, It's not why are
Speaker 7: we taking the jobs?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right right?
Speaker 7: This is like kids in college or fresh out or
Speaker 7: artists or whatever, and it's like it's just so insane.
Speaker 1: Man, really, coffee, my day is ruined. They forgot to
Speaker 1: put the water in my coffee today, like a cup
Speaker 1: of grounds. Yeah, it's usually pretty pretty consistent, it's unfuck upable,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it feels like it's a novelty thing that
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get over soon. It can't it can't be
Speaker 1: currently cost efficient right for them to do that, but
Speaker 1: maybe they're hoping that the novelty will just like bring
Speaker 1: in massive amounts of people.
Speaker 7: Well, what's scary is you see the barista and you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: a harmless little robot, But then you see that the
Speaker 7: police already have robot cop dogs, and it's just like,
Speaker 7: we have to stop this. We have to stop it
Speaker 7: right now. Yeah, I am trying to be proactive. I
Speaker 7: got a sex robot, but I don't have sex with her.
Speaker 7: I just go down on her so I can create
Speaker 7: an ally. You know, when they suprise, you know, she'll
Speaker 7: be like, hey, he's one of the good ones.
Speaker 2: Leave him alone.
Speaker 3: His name is on the protective scrolls. This man eats.
Speaker 3: And you're like, good to know.
Speaker 2: What is something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: Marriage?
Speaker 2: Marriage?
Speaker 8: Just getting out of Uh it was with my extra
Speaker 8: twelve years. You're married for six oh and yeah, don't
Speaker 8: do it. Screw screw the Supreme Court for even allowing
Speaker 8: gay marriage.
Speaker 6: You got me trapped, You got me. I'm stuck.
Speaker 2: And wait. So now, like for you personally, you're like,
Speaker 2: that's it's not for me? Is it? Is it the experience.
Speaker 3: Overall that you realize that or I mean I hate
Speaker 3: to be Oprah here? Or was it with this specific
Speaker 3: relationship that puts you up to see you'reself finding somebody
Speaker 3: that you could potentially shack up with again?
Speaker 8: You know, my attorney is like, I give you a
Speaker 8: year and a half and you're going to be coming
Speaker 8: to me with your next marriage. But we're going to
Speaker 8: put together a good pre nup. So I guess it's
Speaker 8: I really needed. I guess what's underrated is pre nups.
Speaker 2: There you go. Things can change, Uh, things can change. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll see.
Speaker 8: But yeah, so if you didn't know I'm homosexual, I
Speaker 8: gathered I just want to clear the air.
Speaker 2: So before you.
Speaker 3: Said the Supreme Court, yeah, until you said the Supreme Court, thing.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, okay, I don't fair, it's fair, will
Speaker 2: not make any assumptions, yes, yea. So is that you're underrated?
Speaker 2: Prenups underrated? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I guess so.
Speaker 8: I'm just learning that now. I'm just learning prenups and
Speaker 8: hand jobs.
Speaker 2: Oh why hands ups and hand jobs? That's a good
Speaker 2: like album title that.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's my next tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, nursing.
Speaker 6: Plus prenups and hand jobs exactly.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, that's perfect the nursing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the prenups and hand jobs tour. Wait, well, why
Speaker 3: is a hand job underrated?
Speaker 8: Well because I think a lot of people they just
Speaker 8: want to go straight to sex, and it's like, that's
Speaker 8: not you know, there's other things you could do, Yeah,
Speaker 8: just as fun.
Speaker 2: We're good with these things. As humans.
Speaker 6: We've honestly kind of perfect.
Speaker 2: Findings on Earth.
Speaker 3: Got these thumbs that can even enable the proper type
Speaker 3: of job with this.
Speaker 8: Like hand jobs can be a home run, it can
Speaker 8: be wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I feel like a hand job snob, Like I've always
Speaker 3: viewed it as something I could do myself, so I
Speaker 3: feel less like I'm like, hey, nobody knows how to get.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm gay, so I guess you know, it's like
Speaker 8: they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, Maybe that's why yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: well yeah, you know, explore. I'm like, yeah, I'm like
Speaker 2: cruising now. I'm like, yeah, I'm like I'm looking for
Speaker 2: a good hand job. You know, it's like a solid one,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: Third base hand jobs, just.
Speaker 2: A solid hand job, because I would get a lot
Speaker 2: of these fucking minor league hand jobs. And I don't know.
Speaker 8: How like with the girls at the long nails that
Speaker 8: you know that's gotta be.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, never, yeah, I never. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: actually my hand jobs rarely involved nails. Am I doing
Speaker 2: it wrong?
Speaker 3: YEA their own jack to eat their own Yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: you'll be visiting nurse Blake.
Speaker 2: Sounds like if that goes left, well, I'll do it.
Speaker 6: I could do a full assessment.
Speaker 2: I'll send you some pictures later from there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back to talk about some news. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and this is actually gonna be a full Reese's show.
Speaker 1: I guess there's climate change news. But Myles was checking
Speaker 1: out the line up and cream Have you had Reese's
Speaker 1: creamy nurse crunching fuck out of here? Wow?
Speaker 2: Crunchy I could funk with. I could give that a
Speaker 2: world where they put the Reese's Cereal puffs in it. Oh, okay, creamy?
Speaker 2: Is that creamy pean?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's a different Yeah, the one is creamy
Speaker 2: peanut butter versus. I thought it was like a cream anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Can I comment on the Cereal real quick? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I always felt like as a as a person of color,
Speaker 5: I always thought that that Cereal was exclusively marketed to
Speaker 5: people of color, and because there's never white children in
Speaker 5: the commercials, it was like, what's going on here? This
Speaker 5: is for us?
Speaker 3: The puffs are like really on point in terms of
Speaker 3: skin tone, like these are real skin tones?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. I quite literally see myself in
Speaker 2: the Cereal.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, it was drawing me like I'm
Speaker 3: off to the flame exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, this cereal is not for white children.
Speaker 2: I know. I think they those commercials really were.
Speaker 3: They're like, you ain't cool enough to eat this ship,
Speaker 3: white kids, go back to your tricks. Yeah exactly, because
Speaker 3: this ship definitely ain't for kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you. Yeah, because one was like, wasn't
Speaker 2: it like a wrap in one yeahs puff Reese's Puff
Speaker 2: peanut butter flavor. Oh man, I didn't know these Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is old.
Speaker 1: Yeah to have been around when this was being I
Speaker 1: think they were when I was like, yeah this, I
Speaker 1: was like listening to radio, like the Jareditol Radio Hour.
Speaker 1: But like I think these hit when I was like
Speaker 1: in middle school, so I wasn't like watching Saturday Morning
Speaker 1: cartoons anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, oh there's one white homie. There was one
Speaker 2: white homie with the two. They gave him. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: invited him.
Speaker 3: But like very but he plays a very like tertiary
Speaker 3: role in it, because like the main action between the
Speaker 3: two black guys were like, yeah, this shit is good.
Speaker 2: Look I'm gonna go ahead and say it. He's lucky
Speaker 2: to be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly, And then like afterwards, I don't think
Speaker 3: you could start using the N word, Brad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you like the cereal just you were just part
Speaker 3: of the commercial. Yeah, and then this one too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, reeseis maybe they were, They've been a
Speaker 2: civil rights leader this whole time.
Speaker 5: And you know what, That's why I'll always vow to
Speaker 5: take at least one bite of any Reese's cup, I see,
Speaker 5: even if I don't like it.
Speaker 1: That's why neoliberalism more, you know, because there's money being
Speaker 1: spent to change hearts and minds via Rece's commercial.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly the same way I'll eat Little Caesars because
Speaker 3: the owner paid for Rosa Parks rent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. All Right, I see,
Speaker 2: so less you salute the champions. But anyway, good news.
Speaker 2: Shall we move on to Yeah, let's talk about some
Speaker 2: good news.
Speaker 3: So, despite the ongoing tragedy in Maui, on Maui, it
Speaker 3: seems like we have like an actual bit of good
Speaker 3: news on the climate front. So this judge in Montana
Speaker 3: ruled in favor of a group of young plaintiffs like
Speaker 3: between ages like five and up to like around twenty
Speaker 3: two or twenty one that sued the state basically to
Speaker 3: change the state's laws underscoring their right to live in
Speaker 3: a you know, fucking healthy world. They basically argue that
Speaker 3: their constitutional rights were being trampled on, like being trampled
Speaker 3: on because the state like actually legally mandates a policy
Speaker 3: that you know, like prioritizes fossil fuel use and also
Speaker 3: like the helopment of fossil fuel use. So like it's
Speaker 3: just very like, yeah, it's on our books. We love
Speaker 3: fucking gasoline and dino juice. And there's also a part
Speaker 3: of those like mandates that actually make the state literally
Speaker 3: ignore the impact of fossil fuel use in greenhouse gas emissions.
Speaker 3: They're like, don't even look at that shit, it's our
Speaker 3: policy in the state of Montana. So basically they went
Speaker 3: full earthfuck. And the plaintiffs argued that the Montana Constitution
Speaker 3: grants them the right to a clean and healthful environment
Speaker 3: also like you know, dignity, help and safety, happiness, equal
Speaker 3: protection under the law. And they're saying, this, shit, if
Speaker 3: you're mandating this kind of nonsense, that completely that's violating
Speaker 3: our constitutional right. Yeah, and the judge heard enough, ruled
Speaker 3: in their favor and has now enjoyed the state from
Speaker 3: implementing these laws in the future.
Speaker 2: So it's done so.
Speaker 3: A very small thing, but many people are pointing to
Speaker 3: the fact that this is really significant and like a
Speaker 3: lot of policy people see this as a new tool
Speaker 3: to fight back because when all the facts and science
Speaker 3: and like are presented along with them on the future generations,
Speaker 3: there seems to be a consensus that this amounts to
Speaker 3: a true constitutional violation that has to be considered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's it should be against the law for
Speaker 1: them to poison the.
Speaker 3: Future, right, Yeah, it's just because like I think it's
Speaker 3: abstract where it's like, well you can't dump radioactive waste
Speaker 3: by a school, Like it's the same thing where it's like,
Speaker 3: well we're not seeing it now, so shit's just going
Speaker 3: in the air that who knows what impact that has,
Speaker 3: And now that they're articulating it, it's yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Just pointing out that the current laws actually like mandate
Speaker 1: that you do destroy the earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's an easy one.
Speaker 3: It was probably the easiest one to go for because
Speaker 3: you're like they're literally saying ignore the fucking science here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like at our detriment, Like, so what.
Speaker 5: Gifts something I like about this story is that it
Speaker 5: includes that the ages of the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs were
Speaker 5: five to twenty two, Like it's like making it possible
Speaker 5: that it was the five year old that was like
Speaker 5: we got to do something about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, hey, hey, hey, hey, get off
Speaker 2: your fucking PlayStation. Yeah yeah, I'm five.
Speaker 3: Years old and I'm looking at my outlook and I'm
Speaker 3: feeling over yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then they're like, okay, let him cook, let him cook, fine, yeah,
Speaker 5: doesn't need an app No, he's being serious, Okay, just
Speaker 5: he just happened.
Speaker 2: That's why he's so energetic.
Speaker 1: He arguing in front of the judge, like yeahmate.
Speaker 2: Change change.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to be like something inherently like
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is definitely anecdotal, but it feels
Speaker 1: like young children are just like, yeah, no, I'm like
Speaker 1: a vegetarian because why wouldn't I bear you fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: It's like, you're six, what are you talking about? But
Speaker 1: they're just it seems like through just living in a
Speaker 1: world that is like completely deranged and completely fucking the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the message is getting to them despite the best
Speaker 1: efforts of kind of the mainstream media yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know how a little kid could look around
Speaker 5: now and be like this seems fine, Like it's like
Speaker 5: everything is just good, markedly bad that like kids today
Speaker 5: have to be like, hmmm, yeah, what ten years left,
Speaker 5: I'll be sixteen. Let's see if I can try to
Speaker 5: fix this thing.
Speaker 3: Like it's weird too, Like how my empathy I used
Speaker 3: to be, like, man, these young kids don't know.
Speaker 2: We was out here on bicycles and shit, pre yeh shooter. Man,
Speaker 2: shit was you could get you know, those fucking beautiful
Speaker 2: you We go around the playgrounds and say yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, don't fucking know, push kid over now I
Speaker 3: turn on the swing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then like now I'm truly like.
Speaker 3: Damn, these kids aren't gonna know some of the things.
Speaker 3: Like I look at my own little baby and I'm
Speaker 3: like this, I don't even know what the fuck his
Speaker 3: world is gonna look like compared to the shit that
Speaker 3: I had, And I'm like, damn, Like it's that's kind
Speaker 3: of an l And now you realize, you know, this
Speaker 3: is truly like this is the real fight that has
Speaker 3: to that is taking place, because this isn't the only.
Speaker 2: Place where lawsuits like this are happening.
Speaker 3: Because when in Hawaii, like in there are other states,
Speaker 3: because again, it seems like a pretty good tool to
Speaker 3: use to try and counteract dino juice addiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels and again, like as we talked about
Speaker 1: in our episode about Ministry for the Future, like we
Speaker 1: are in a unique position being inside the United States,
Speaker 1: Like we're in the belly of the beast, and like
Speaker 1: other countries are, you know, already kind of working with
Speaker 1: the new reality and just like in acting policies, but
Speaker 1: the US is still in this bizarre cognitive dissonance spiral.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're like, why is everyone so unhappy?
Speaker 2: It's like right, because like there's a very clear reality
Speaker 2: that everyone's having to just like lock out and ignore
Speaker 2: to like get through their day to day lives. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's not good for you. It can't be good for you.
Speaker 5: No, No, you know, the ocean's boiling in Florida, Like
Speaker 5: people are just like, ah, I just won't think about that.
Speaker 3: I'll just think about how my I got third degree
Speaker 3: burns from walking on the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hot outside, kidney, dude, We're going hot tubbing in
Speaker 2: the ocean. It's fucking tight fu. Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 2: So just can't stand for more than ten minutes or else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like yeah, you'll actually cook from the inside. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so you only want to get in there for just
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 3: You're not on blood thinners, are you?
Speaker 2: We need your blood kicking there. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know that metaphor about like the frog and the
Speaker 1: boiling water, Like that's actually not a metaphor anymore.
Speaker 2: All these frog reality You need to.
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of there. Now, we'll speaking of Florida.
Speaker 1: Let's check in down there real quick, Ron DeSantis. This
Speaker 1: is like I'm enjoying Ron de Santis's campaign. I did
Speaker 1: not think I would not hitting in, but man, he
Speaker 1: is bad at this and just there's not a true
Speaker 1: like no, he is not. He has yet to hit
Speaker 1: like a note that wasn't.
Speaker 2: Just like.
Speaker 1: You know, so just sour and like false and completely
Speaker 1: like incapable of connecting with humans in a way.
Speaker 2: And then like every headline that comes out every week
Speaker 2: is some version of like people like Ron DeSantis til
Speaker 2: they fucking meet him, like.
Speaker 3: They're just doing to his There's so many permutations of that,
Speaker 3: and the other one's like is Ron DeSantis's biggest problem?
Speaker 2: Rond de Santis.
Speaker 5: What's so funny because like I feel like a lot
Speaker 5: of these guys come out of the woodwork like even
Speaker 5: like like you know, they start talking, they start campaigning,
Speaker 5: and then they just like reveal themselves to be the
Speaker 5: biggest freaks on Earth, like like like a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago when I didn't know, I mean, I was
Speaker 5: blessed to not know who Ted Cruz was, and then
Speaker 5: he shows up and then he's just like the biggest.
Speaker 2: Dweeb on planet Earth. This guy fucking sucks.
Speaker 5: He's like not even like not that like his policies
Speaker 5: would be better if he was cool, but like he
Speaker 5: can't even pretend to be like a normal man.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he's just like there's he has like every
Speaker 3: terrible fall, like he's a coward, like on top of
Speaker 3: being like a racist and like violently ignorant. Is like
Speaker 3: he doesn't stand for any not even his own wife.
Speaker 9: You're like, yeah, are you a litle g Yeah, so
Speaker 9: you know Ron DeSantis now he's like trying to fucking
Speaker 9: rite the ship, like he's trying to be like I'm
Speaker 9: the optics are so bad.
Speaker 2: Around everything I do, like I need fucking help.
Speaker 3: And he recently proclaimed that he's moved on from his
Speaker 3: feud with Disney, which is one of those central conflicts
Speaker 3: that has made him look like the most petulant asshole
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, and so again, just to break it
Speaker 3: down again, if you recall, Disney decided to speak up
Speaker 3: way too late in the game when DeSantis decided to
Speaker 3: roll out his don't say Gay bill, and people were like, uh,
Speaker 3: Disney's like, oh yeah, yeah, I actually yeah, this is bad,
Speaker 3: and people.
Speaker 2: Like thank you. It was weeks late, but thank you
Speaker 2: for saying something.
Speaker 3: This upset Rob and he decided to nullify Disney's like
Speaker 3: autonomous zone in Orlando and install his own puppet board
Speaker 3: and there's all that's like legal fucking maneuvering. This led
Speaker 3: Disney to file a lawsuit against DeSantis and the state
Speaker 3: for what they described as quote, a targeted campaign of
Speaker 3: government retaliation. True, and this led to just a ton
Speaker 3: of people roasting him, Like even Donald Trump's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you got an affect with Mickey Mouse and you got humiliated,
Speaker 3: and like you know, everyone was.
Speaker 2: Just fucking roasting his ass.
Speaker 3: And now his latest quotes about it, he's like trying
Speaker 3: to act like.
Speaker 2: This whole thing wasn't in l the whole time. This
Speaker 2: is the last thing he just said on CNBC. We've
Speaker 2: basically moved on.
Speaker 3: They're suing the State of Florida and they're going to
Speaker 3: lose that lawsuit. So what I would say is drop
Speaker 3: the lawsuit. So all we want to do is treat
Speaker 3: everybody the same and let's move forward. I'm totally fine
Speaker 3: with that, but I'm not fine with giving extraordinary privileges,
Speaker 3: you know, to one special company at the exclusion of
Speaker 3: everybody else. This guy really just pulled the middle school
Speaker 3: like I'm winning this fight, so you might as well, yeah,
Speaker 3: walk away.
Speaker 5: He's Jim Robinson in the opening sketch of season three.
Speaker 2: When I start to lose, I look at my phone exactly, like.
Speaker 3: Truly, it really doesn't feel like we're like in middle school,
Speaker 3: like kids like talking ship that someone claps back and
Speaker 3: makes them look like an absolute fool and then they go,
Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm over it. Actually, like I wasn't even happy,
Speaker 3: Like this wasn't even a fight anyway, Yes, come on,
Speaker 3: fuck right off.
Speaker 1: It's impressive, Like I've just that that we've gotten to
Speaker 1: a place where this was like the great hope for
Speaker 1: defeating Donald Trump, and.
Speaker 2: He's just he's so bad.
Speaker 1: Everything he can't like can't make a move that doesn't
Speaker 1: make him look like absolute shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just he's just a device, as Chris Crofton
Speaker 3: would say, you know what I mean, Like he just
Speaker 3: kind of goes for like the shitty wind blows and
Speaker 3: he has no real thought and like so he's just
Speaker 3: trying to like he's just grasping out a ton of shit.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's like sideshow bob stepping on rakes, but
Speaker 2: like as a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a let's take
Speaker 1: another quick break, and we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: some pop culture.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's an incentive for not even like
Speaker 1: acknowledging a hit show. And I know that's also like
Speaker 1: always been a traditional like you know the thing that
Speaker 1: people said about the entertainment industry, right, like the first
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones movie, Like it's still like according to the
Speaker 1: studio that made it like not profitable, you know, like
Speaker 1: like that right, it's like creative bookkeeping to keep people
Speaker 1: from participating. But it does feel like there is like
Speaker 1: we don't even know when a show is a hit anymore.
Speaker 1: And like it's just like they dumped so much content
Speaker 1: me like shows on the like on their streaming networks
Speaker 1: without like even trying to promote when like one of
Speaker 1: them was a hit. It was just all like invisible.
Speaker 1: And it's like all these things that supposedly millions and
Speaker 1: millions of people are watching and are entering like should
Speaker 1: be entering our like cultural like bloodstream and like these
Speaker 1: are the ideas that are like affecting the zeitgeist, and
Speaker 1: they're just like completely invisible. Do you do you think
Speaker 1: that's connected to the streamers just being so kind of
Speaker 1: guarded about letting their data.
Speaker 4: Well, one is they might simply be I'll say, you know,
Speaker 4: using creative statistics, right of bullshitting right, Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 4: certainly a possibility. But the other thing is, yeah, has
Speaker 4: been like their model is like so driven by people
Speaker 4: who apparently don't like or watch TV or understand how
Speaker 4: culture works at all, Like down to the binging. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's Wall Street and Silicon Valley's influence. Like you
Speaker 4: can see that happening because it's not like there aren't
Speaker 4: things that can happen, right, even like on the streamers,
Speaker 4: like a squid game or like you know, you know,
Speaker 4: just whatever, like you know jury dudey, Yeah, like things,
Speaker 4: things can break through and make a cultural impact. But
Speaker 4: I think it is because these people essentially what their
Speaker 4: business model is. And you can tell sorry, this is
Speaker 4: all my own speculation, I should say, is like you
Speaker 4: watch them trying to feed this like concept of quote
Speaker 4: content like you see it in like HBO Max, like
Speaker 4: David's aslife just thinks of everything as content, like he's
Speaker 4: like Househunters and Game of Thrones is equally like equally
Speaker 4: a creative endeavor. Yeah, like like that is like very
Speaker 4: important to their worldview. It's just like minutes to eyeballs
Speaker 4: and fill in tape essentially. So so that I think
Speaker 4: is also why like like they they don't like they
Speaker 4: seem to have an interest in devaluing the business model.
Speaker 4: And I will just throw this out there. If you
Speaker 4: look at the way Silicon Valley has done things to
Speaker 4: other industries, I think Uber is a great example, or
Speaker 4: like ride shares in general, like they just go in
Speaker 4: operate at a loss in an attempt to destroy the
Speaker 4: industry and create some kind of monopoly, which is arguably
Speaker 4: what Netflix is doing. And then you know, either jacking
Speaker 4: up the prices or just sort of leaving the industry
Speaker 4: to like fucking deal with the creater pieces and society. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, so that it just seems like like
Speaker 4: Netflix essentially. So the the other upshot of all this
Speaker 4: is that like because we like, streamers play much fewer
Speaker 4: residuals off of like because we say so data Netflix
Speaker 4: and in Netflix, you know, or the streamers having like
Speaker 4: pioneered this practice of mini rooms, which is like again
Speaker 4: what I went through with ninety show, like hiring much
Speaker 4: fewer people, asking them to do much more work, and
Speaker 4: doing it for a shorter period of time. We like
Speaker 4: they're essentially just begging to be able to operate at
Speaker 4: a lower cost, which is like, hey, maybe you just
Speaker 4: don't get to if you're not smart enough to make
Speaker 4: money like from television, like America's greatest import or export,
Speaker 4: like the most powerful thing. Like other countries realize this,
Speaker 4: Like fucking China understands that it's important to have, Like
Speaker 4: they obviously want to screw their workers too, but they
Speaker 4: at least understand it's important from a fucking even if
Speaker 4: you're like a complete like you know, if you really
Speaker 4: don't care about this, like just from a geopolitical standpoint,
Speaker 4: like Great Britain gets to continue to be a world power,
Speaker 4: you know, decades edging on century like after their their
Speaker 4: fucking little empire like crumbles because people because the Beatles.
Speaker 4: The Beatles is soft power that resonates. You know this,
Speaker 4: we still have like my my, like dumb family who
Speaker 4: were literally victimized by the British being like uh sad
Speaker 4: when Queen Elizabeth dies, Like that's power, that's like fucking power.
Speaker 4: And the fact that we appear to be like willing
Speaker 4: to give that away. So what I should say is
Speaker 4: what I say to give that away is if the
Speaker 4: studios get what they want, that will, within you know,
Speaker 4: five ten something years, be the end of like working
Speaker 4: as a creative in Hollywood being a middle class sustainable existence,
Speaker 4: like it simply will be not possible. There will not
Speaker 4: be any staff writers like essentially that will then if
Speaker 4: you are a low level television writer, it's sort of
Speaker 4: the equivalent of an internship, like essentially, like only rich
Speaker 4: kids will be able to do it right and like
Speaker 4: that it just is basically then becoming a writer in
Speaker 4: Hollywood is what I know most about is a lottery ticket.
Speaker 4: You know, some of you will be able to make
Speaker 4: it on merit, but also luck some of you will
Speaker 4: be able to just outlast because you could run at
Speaker 4: a deficit for five, six, seven, eight, nine years. Look,
Speaker 4: and it, by the way, is already like this, but
Speaker 4: it will make it worse. And if the like proposal
Speaker 4: to SAG goes through, that's like essentially trying to break
Speaker 4: the union from a pension perspective. If if what they
Speaker 4: put on the table was there, like they would end
Speaker 4: background acting as a profession and that would completely decimate
Speaker 4: Sorry I should say, oh, this is as I understand it.
Speaker 4: Adam Conover probably has the actual notes version of this,
Speaker 4: but like that just fucking acting as like a job.
Speaker 4: It's ends acting as a job and turns it into
Speaker 4: a gig, which is just that that's how we start
Speaker 4: to tell fewer interesting stories, fewer new people will come through,
Speaker 4: will start to be doing the same thing over and
Speaker 4: over and over again, and we will start losing to
Speaker 4: creative people, creative countries. Like it's just it's very weird.
Speaker 4: No it's not, but it is like sort of pathetic,
Speaker 4: how like short term that all.
Speaker 3: These folks thinking is yeah, yeah, because yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: like for the longest time, we were always like, how
Speaker 3: the fuck is Netflix a company? Because all I would
Speaker 3: be like, they're just deficit spending and deficit spending and
Speaker 3: deficit spending. And I was always asking, like other people
Speaker 3: I knew who were like at the executive of them,
Speaker 3: like what is there? Like I remember ten year or
Speaker 3: maybe like eight years ago, asking like what the fuck
Speaker 3: is their plan?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And someone was like, they're probably hoping something like
Speaker 3: an Apple or Google will just buy them at first. Yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of like the thought and it won't matter how
Speaker 3: much they've they've spent or because that would be the
Speaker 3: end goal. But then also once Wall Street started rewarding
Speaker 3: that stock to say, oh, well, it's really not about
Speaker 3: the profits they're showing. It's about look at their their
Speaker 3: market share that they're devouring and look at the potential.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Tesla, where it's like, don't look
Speaker 3: at like the facts and figures of the business because
Speaker 3: it's dog shit. Think you'll like what this can do
Speaker 3: for the future. That's what you're buying into. And then
Speaker 3: once Netflix was like, oh we just had a subscriber loss,
Speaker 3: Wall Street basically said fuck all you guys for not
Speaker 3: being profitable, and then the reaction from the studios is
Speaker 3: all right, well now we got to cut shit. Now
Speaker 3: we got to do people got to do less. We've
Speaker 3: got to do more with less, which is a theme
Speaker 3: that many people across the country are familiar with, no
Speaker 3: matter what industry you're in, it's like, hey, do more
Speaker 3: for less. And we find ourselves in this position now
Speaker 3: where we're completely like like in a way inadvertently or
Speaker 3: very advertently, you're starting to see all of like the
Speaker 3: the gains that were made in like equitable representation from
Speaker 3: like the kinds of creators that we're getting shows and
Speaker 3: the kinds of people we saw being the faces on
Speaker 3: the screen.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna we're just regressing right back to the
Speaker 2: fucking status.
Speaker 3: Quo where it's like, I don't know, we don't have
Speaker 3: time to tell black stories or trans stories, as we
Speaker 3: don't have time, Like what's the new fucking ip? We
Speaker 3: can just dust off and do another They're gonna just
Speaker 3: spin off of Nurse Jackie. Yeah, Like what the fuck
Speaker 3: do worse than the status quot because it's the status quo.
Speaker 3: But also they don't pay people living wages, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: is the actual plan yeah, they like Wiley coyote themselves
Speaker 3: off of financial cliff. But the problem is they can
Speaker 3: bring all of us with them.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're trying to do that. Yeah, that that
Speaker 2: is it. It appears to be the plan.
Speaker 4: And like, you know, I mean, it's just like this
Speaker 4: thing where I was like again watching watching, how much
Speaker 4: like the same work is not being rewarded or being devalued.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, that was the other thing with the with
Speaker 4: the deficits pending things. Like they also didn't really do
Speaker 4: a good job with the money they spend. No, Like
Speaker 4: it's like because they just think again, minutes of tape
Speaker 4: is the only metric that matters. And it's so bizarre
Speaker 4: how it Like.
Speaker 2: Any fool could have told you that's not how culture works,
Speaker 2: except for these bozos, like they misunderstand how culture works.
Speaker 4: It's also this thing that so the other sticking point
Speaker 4: in this strike has been AI and like, you know,
Speaker 4: the fact that like I understand AI can do, you know,
Speaker 4: will start to very quickly approach the old thing, you know,
Speaker 4: perfect replicas of whatever the fuck existed in the past.
Speaker 2: Right, But like I think, like these people like seem
Speaker 2: to misunderstand that culture is novel like.
Speaker 4: They they just do not get that, like there is
Speaker 4: a need for something new, right, and like their little
Speaker 4: plagiarism machine, you know it maybe can you know, through
Speaker 4: dint of like random remixing essentially like come up with
Speaker 4: something that does appeal to a novel center of the
Speaker 4: culture's brains. But that's also because like some creative person
Speaker 4: picked that instance out of this pile of fucking ten
Speaker 4: thousand or ten million, Like it's still required like a
Speaker 4: a even you know. So that's like every time everyone
Speaker 4: anyone posts like AI art, it's like, oh, it's over
Speaker 4: for creatives. It's like, I don't, you know, far be
Speaker 4: it for me to defend the creativity of these AI
Speaker 4: fucking evangelists. But they're misunderstanding that they picked the instance
Speaker 4: that was like pleasing to some center of their brain
Speaker 4: and shared with everyone right that that the AI doesn't
Speaker 4: know that this one's better than the other fucking nine
Speaker 4: million versions it made. It still requires like a human
Speaker 4: sense of novelty and joy and wonder and experience to
Speaker 4: like have this mean something. I don't know, maybe I'm
Speaker 4: fucking I'm sure there's some like AI person that disagrees
Speaker 4: with me on this.
Speaker 3: The second that it puts out the an actual flawless
Speaker 3: Seinfeld episode.
Speaker 2: Then I think that we're still okay.
Speaker 1: You know, but yeah, like the other thing, even that
Speaker 1: would be an old show, like there are plenty of
Speaker 1: right now. I'd write a flawless Seinfeld episode right now,
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing that it misses is And I
Speaker 1: agree that, Like it feels like they're already shading in
Speaker 1: this direction when you look at what they did with
Speaker 1: that spending, with all the money they spent, where it
Speaker 1: was like a lesser diminished like amount of production resources
Speaker 1: per show, and then you like look at all these
Speaker 1: streaming shows that are like they have these crazy high
Speaker 1: numbers like that. This one article Will lengk off to
Speaker 1: on the foot notes talks about the show The Night
Speaker 1: Agent being this huge like Netflix show and they're talking
Speaker 1: to the showrunner who's like, yeah, but I'm like not
Speaker 1: not being compensated like it's a hit Netflix show or
Speaker 1: at any show. And but like that that show like
Speaker 1: doesn't really exist as far as like pee, like I
Speaker 1: just it came and went and like I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: I had it confused with the Bodyguard, I think, and
Speaker 1: the guy who plays it is like, look similar to
Speaker 1: The Bodyguard, and but it like I watched you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of it, and it feels like it could
Speaker 1: have been generated by an AI that it ingested every
Speaker 1: procedural like up to like for the past thirty years.
Speaker 1: Like that, it feels like, yes, AI is actually in
Speaker 1: line with what they think they're trying to do. It's
Speaker 1: just what they think they're trying to do is going
Speaker 1: to not make anything good, like good enough to actually
Speaker 1: like propel the entertainment and like the art that is
Speaker 1: that like drives culture forward into.
Speaker 3: The future, and they're just killing something that is innately
Speaker 3: human about like wanting to create and to be create.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, because the way these studios and executives look
Speaker 3: at the nature of creativity is like it's the same
Speaker 3: way a senator would look at what they're going to
Speaker 3: read if they're trying to fillibuster.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, man, just say shit, just say worse.
Speaker 2: That's all you got to do matter.
Speaker 3: Just read from the phone book and that'll that's enough
Speaker 3: to tick the right and think of how uninteresting what
Speaker 3: happens when you shift gears to well, just read from
Speaker 3: the phone book. The most entertaining thing might be when
Speaker 3: they don't know how to pronounce a certain name. And
Speaker 3: that's like the height of like fucking entertainment or whatever,
Speaker 3: because more and more it's just looked at what we
Speaker 3: just need to hear words and visuals be put out
Speaker 3: there for people to stare out creativities and like a
Speaker 3: non issue. And I think that's really a violent part
Speaker 3: like about it is that we're taking that sort of
Speaker 3: ability for a human being to pursue something like that,
Speaker 3: to have an imagination and to be able to sustain
Speaker 3: their life with it.
Speaker 2: Just it's not even it's not even.
Speaker 10: Possible, but like like even in your example, right, like
Speaker 10: like stumbling over a word is something only a fucking
Speaker 10: human could do, right Like.
Speaker 4: Like also it's it's like this like like they're they're
Speaker 4: the myths that got built around like like Netflix, the
Speaker 4: myths that they're built on. Is like we had an
Speaker 4: algorithm that told us that people like Kevin Spacey and
Speaker 4: political drama, and therefore we greenlit House of Cards and
Speaker 4: look like the computer did that. No human could do that,
Speaker 4: which like ignores there like the things that don't work
Speaker 4: that it ignores the things that haven't worked that have
Speaker 4: been algorithm driven. And also it's like this such a
Speaker 4: funny thing. It's like, you know what, put Amazon streaming
Speaker 4: on the map? Fucking transparent, which, by the way, right
Speaker 4: not one computer at any point ever, was like do
Speaker 4: you know what we need now? Like you know this
Speaker 4: this story transparent? So like like they're working from just
Speaker 4: like this law of tiny numbers. I mean that was
Speaker 4: my other experience. Wow, this is maybe maybe talking out
Speaker 4: of school, but I think this is a common enough experience,
Speaker 4: which is like, we had a moment in nineties show
Speaker 4: where they were insistent. Okay, I guess I just won't
Speaker 4: say exactly what the thing that we're insisting on, but
Speaker 4: they had a note for our opening credit sequence that
Speaker 4: was basically like the algorithm says you have to do
Speaker 4: this or else no one will watch it. And when
Speaker 4: I tell you, it was an utterly, utterly, utterly inconsequential note.
Speaker 4: From a creative perspective, it was just like, technically going
Speaker 4: to be very difficult to do, and they're like, our
Speaker 4: data shows that this has to be this way. And
Speaker 4: like having worked in the network side of entertainment before,
Speaker 4: and I worked with executives and watched our research department
Speaker 4: routinely lie to them like essentially or obfuscate with statistics,
Speaker 4: and having taken a little bit of statistics in my life,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you don't have enough data to know, Like
Speaker 4: you simply like this niggling, tiny thing that doesn't really
Speaker 4: make any difference, Like you're insistent on it because your date.
Speaker 4: You're like, legitimately statistically insignificant. Data tells you one thing,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't. The reality is it doesn't matter. And
Speaker 4: the fact that you are killing multiple executives and a
Speaker 4: high price showrunners day arguing about this is like flushing
Speaker 4: money down the toilet. Yeah, because you worship an algorithm,
Speaker 4: but you also don't have the statistics knowledge to like
Speaker 4: actually say this is inconsequential. They had an inconsequential fight
Speaker 4: all because I'm like, you haven't produced that many show
Speaker 4: opens before, so you don't know. You just don't have
Speaker 4: a data set that tells you, like whether this creative
Speaker 4: choice or this creative choice makes the most difference in
Speaker 4: this And again, cannot stress enough it did not make
Speaker 4: a difference, right.
Speaker 1: Like I bet that executive was like, see those hits,
Speaker 1: see those numbers.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's because of the true Yeah, all.
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