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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by one of the very phases on Mount Zeitmore hilarious

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Speaker 1: and brilliant producer, TV writer.

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Speaker 2: You know him from the Yos this racist podcast. It's

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Speaker 2: Andrew Solidarity.

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Speaker 3: T Hey Solidarity, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: I've and having trouble with some of the Union songs.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's it's a little the Union song canon got

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Speaker 4: a little white. And then briefly I was like playing

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Speaker 4: like communist party Chinese music on my hype up to

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Speaker 4: the picket line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little weird. A lot of a lot of

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Speaker 2: killing motherfuckers in those songs. You didn't you can sing

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Speaker 2: like bela Chow.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's like that one good old, good old

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Speaker 3: yarn from the Italians anthem.

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Speaker 4: You know what, Yeah, there's there's a probably there's a

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Speaker 4: bunch of that, you know. Then there's probably a bunch

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Speaker 4: of stuff in Spanish that is that's my fault that

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Speaker 4: I went to Chinese copy.

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Speaker 2: Let you know first, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, so's everybody out there singing Richmond north of Richmond.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not. It's the That was more of

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Speaker 4: a beginning of the strike thing. I think that was

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Speaker 4: when we were all like try to like try to

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Speaker 4: be serious, try. I think what it was was we're

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Speaker 4: trying to impress the teamsters, like we're cool, we're down,

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Speaker 4: and now it's now it's just kind of at.

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Speaker 2: Your backs, just not picking up the signs. Oh my god, it's.

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Speaker 4: Really it's really it's been. It's been a good strike.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen you guys in a minute, but you know,

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Speaker 4: strike it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's why we wanted to have you on

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Speaker 3: because just there's it's constantly changing.

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Speaker 2: And I think also our understanding of the industry.

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Speaker 3: I think, especially for like people outside of California, for shit,

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Speaker 3: outside of LA have like a very like a perspective

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Speaker 3: on what's happening, and it's not fully formed. And I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, to the purpose of today is to really

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Speaker 3: like roll our sleeves up, give some perspective and talk

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Speaker 3: about like what's at stake here truly, because we definitely

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Speaker 3: got a good intro.

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Speaker 2: When Adam Connover came on. And now that like things

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Speaker 2: are slowly developing, we know a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: We kind of wanted to come back because this affects

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Speaker 3: like eighty percent of our listener's favorite guests, Like most

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Speaker 3: of y'all realize. All the comedians that we have on,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them spend time in writers' rooms because

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Speaker 3: that's the they ain't.

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Speaker 2: Like Marcella said, she's like, it ain't happen. You're not

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Speaker 2: getting it from stand up.

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Speaker 3: So I get while the homies end up going to

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Speaker 3: write because that's a way to car about a life

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Speaker 3: for yourself.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, looking forward to talking, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You guys have eaten it California Pizza Kitchen. You think

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Speaker 1: you understand what the strike is all about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean right, you get it.

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Speaker 2: You got you Now you've got a m c p K. Right,

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Speaker 2: you could bash those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we sho mcp K.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know. We'll work on it.

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Speaker 3: Re sounding that out just to make sure the h

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Speaker 2: But oh oh yeah, yeah that's tough. That's tough for

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Speaker 2: a tough one. Uh a, mr cpk. Yeah, it doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: doesn't we need a bigger room. We need a bigger

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Speaker 4: You know, if we had, if we had enough enough

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Speaker 4: minds to do this, yeah, we could come up.

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Speaker 2: We give you the proper products. Sorry about that, That's right, exactly.

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Speaker 2: What is something from your search history?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, yesterday I was googling The Walking Dead and

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Speaker 2: Like how many? There's like Fear the Walking Dead.

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Speaker 5: There's Fear of the Walking Dead. There's Dead City, which

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Speaker 5: is a sequel to The Walking Dead. There's the Daryl

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Speaker 2: There's a prequel, isn't there. There's there's what's it called

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Speaker 2: up The Walking Dead, The Walking Dead World Beyond.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, that one is like a story set in

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Speaker 5: The People Who Live or something like that. My god, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's or The Ones Who Live is coming in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four. Because they were skinned. They Andrew Lincoln left

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Speaker 2: And they took him out of the show.

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Speaker 5: They're like, we gotta be here, we got to put

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Speaker 5: And now they're bringing him back for a spinoff series

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Speaker 5: after the show has ended.

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Speaker 6: Weird.

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Speaker 1: What it's like the character left TV to pursue a

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Speaker 1: Clooney leaves the yard to pursue a film career. You see,

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Speaker 1: like the character and it like it fails to launch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just too many now and I am interested

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Speaker 5: I just don't know if I'll do all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you like? What is there?

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Speaker 3: Because I stopped watching after Frank Dearrebanc was like off it,

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Speaker 5: I was thinking about this yesterday and I was like,

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Speaker 5: when did I stop watching it? Like because there was

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Speaker 2: Like I watched all of Dexter like I've seen every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: are you gonna watch it?

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Speaker 1: Because that's an expanded television universe that's coming, right.

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Speaker 2: I can't watch. Oh did you watch the New Ship too?

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Speaker 2: I watched the new one too.

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Speaker 3: Oh did they make amends for just the I mean

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Speaker 3: once it ended, I was like, all right, yeah, fuck

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Speaker 5: I thought I thought the New Thing, I can't remember

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Speaker 5: the John Lithgow season. Like that was just like such,

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Speaker 5: that was like lightning in a bottle. The show was

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Speaker 5: Like it was just like a lucky strike kind of When.

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Speaker 3: Edward James almost was a fucking figment of yeah, motherfuckers,

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Speaker 3: I was like, you really went that deep in the

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is terrible.

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Speaker 3: Right anyway, Winded Walking Dead peak just so I know

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Speaker 5: I feel like when Meagan comes, when Jeffrey Dean Morgan

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Speaker 5: if you're familiar with the comics, start getting some RBIs.

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Speaker 2: But he like he's baseba Yeah, he's he's a big

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Speaker 5: But then they, like I heard, they like make him good,

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Speaker 5: I think I'm done. Thanks though, And that was always

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Speaker 5: like season six, season seven or something, and it went

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, we'll good to know it's round six. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are they all like kind of of the same quality

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Speaker 1: I get, like The Walking Dead and then like Dead

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the names of every series red mission the next

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Speaker 2: twenty years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like, Okay, we're just gonna I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: Ones Who Live, which doesn't sound like it sounds like

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Speaker 5: Walking Dead universe or just like.

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Speaker 2: A plot description. Yeah, yeah, it's just about the ones

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Speaker 1: You call it like the Final Girls or like you

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Speaker 1: know some some none. No, it's just like the they're

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Speaker 5: People a bunch of bunch of Harry Potters walking around, right,

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Speaker 5: But I think there I haven't I don't know anybody

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Speaker 5: that watched the spinoffs and were like these are as

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Speaker 5: good like these are these are these are of similar

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Speaker 2: Dead City. This city is dead, Kenny. What's something you

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Speaker 7: Robots? Robots are overrated, dude. I was just I was

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Speaker 7: There is no advantage to this other than the novelty.

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Speaker 7: It's like insane. Yeah, barista is a job that needs

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Speaker 1: I just invented a thing. I'm quitting now. It's really bad.

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Speaker 7: It's insane, man, And like, who who benefits it isn't us?

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Speaker 7: somehow we're just like pretty cool. The my door dash

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Speaker 2: Hey. You know my thing is like I hate tipping.

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Speaker 3: It's just disturbing when these people are with their hat

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Speaker 2: And you can fuck each other in front of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: No judgment, no judgment, no judgment, even though there's no

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Speaker 2: So this looks really stupid, this robot like in robo barista.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fucking like, I like, to your point, can

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Speaker 7: Hmm, it's coffee dog like yeah, room for cream you

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Speaker 2: I've never like, yeah, I had like a latta and

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Speaker 7: And this is also like it's not like barista's are

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Speaker 7: This is like kids in college or fresh out or

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Speaker 1: Man, really, coffee, my day is ruined. They forgot to

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Speaker 7: Well, what's scary is you see the barista and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 7: right now. Yeah, I am trying to be proactive. I

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Speaker 7: I just go down on her so I can create

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Speaker 2: Leave him alone.

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Speaker 3: His name is on the protective scrolls. This man eats.

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Speaker 3: And you're like, good to know.

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Speaker 2: What is something that you think is overrated?

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Speaker 6: Marriage?

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Speaker 2: Marriage?

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Speaker 8: Just getting out of Uh it was with my extra

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Speaker 8: twelve years. You're married for six oh and yeah, don't

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Speaker 8: do it. Screw screw the Supreme Court for even allowing

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Speaker 6: You got me trapped, You got me. I'm stuck.

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Speaker 2: And wait. So now, like for you personally, you're like,

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Speaker 3: Overall that you realize that or I mean I hate

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Speaker 8: You know, my attorney is like, I give you a

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Speaker 2: There you go. Things can change, Uh, things can change. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: But yeah, so if you didn't know I'm homosexual, I

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Speaker 2: So before you.

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Speaker 3: Said the Supreme Court, yeah, until you said the Supreme Court, thing.

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Speaker 2: Was like, oh, okay, I don't fair, it's fair, will

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Speaker 2: not make any assumptions, yes, yea. So is that you're underrated?

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Speaker 2: Prenups underrated? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I'm just learning that now. I'm just learning prenups and

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Speaker 8: hand jobs.

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Speaker 2: Oh why hands ups and hand jobs? That's a good

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Speaker 2: like album title that.

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Speaker 6: Maybe that's my next tour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, nursing.

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Speaker 6: Plus prenups and hand jobs exactly.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, that's perfect the nursing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the prenups and hand jobs tour. Wait, well, why

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Speaker 8: Well because I think a lot of people they just

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Speaker 8: not you know, there's other things you could do, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We're good with these things. As humans.

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Speaker 6: We've honestly kind of perfect.

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Speaker 2: Findings on Earth.

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Speaker 8: Like hand jobs can be a home run, it can

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Speaker 3: I feel like a hand job snob, Like I've always

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm gay, so I guess you know, it's like

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Speaker 8: they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, Maybe that's why yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 6: Third base hand jobs, just.

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Speaker 2: A solid hand job, because I would get a lot

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Speaker 2: of these fucking minor league hand jobs. And I don't know.

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Speaker 8: How like with the girls at the long nails that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, never, yeah, I never. I don't think I've

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Speaker 2: actually my hand jobs rarely involved nails. Am I doing

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Speaker 3: YEA their own jack to eat their own Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 2: Sounds like if that goes left, well, I'll do it.

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Speaker 6: I could do a full assessment.

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Speaker 1: and this is actually gonna be a full Reese's show.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's climate change news. But Myles was checking

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Speaker 1: out the line up and cream Have you had Reese's

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Speaker 1: creamy nurse crunching fuck out of here? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Crunchy I could funk with. I could give that a

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Speaker 2: world where they put the Reese's Cereal puffs in it. Oh, okay, creamy?

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Speaker 2: Is that creamy pean?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's a different Yeah, the one is creamy

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Speaker 5: I always felt like as a as a person of color,

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Speaker 3: The puffs are like really on point in terms of

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Speaker 3: So in that sense, it was drawing me like I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, this cereal is not for white children.

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Speaker 2: I know. I think they those commercials really were.

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Speaker 3: They're like, you ain't cool enough to eat this ship,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you. Yeah, because one was like, wasn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah to have been around when this was being I

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Speaker 1: But like I think these hit when I was like

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Speaker 2: Yeah. See, oh there's one white homie. There was one

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Speaker 3: But like very but he plays a very like tertiary

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Speaker 2: Look I'm gonna go ahead and say it. He's lucky

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly, And then like afterwards, I don't think

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Speaker 3: because you like the cereal just you were just part

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Speaker 3: it's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, reeseis maybe they were, They've been a

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Speaker 5: And you know what, That's why I'll always vow to

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Speaker 1: That's why neoliberalism more, you know, because there's money being

440
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: spent to change hearts and minds via Rece's commercial.

441
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: Right, exactly the same way I'll eat Little Caesars because

442
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: the owner paid for Rosa Parks rent.

443
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. All Right, I see,

444
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: so less you salute the champions. But anyway, good news.

445
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: Shall we move on to Yeah, let's talk about some

446
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: good news.

447
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 3: So, despite the ongoing tragedy in Maui, on Maui, it

448
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: seems like we have like an actual bit of good

449
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 3: news on the climate front. So this judge in Montana

450
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 3: ruled in favor of a group of young plaintiffs like

451
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: between ages like five and up to like around twenty

452
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: two or twenty one that sued the state basically to

453
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: change the state's laws underscoring their right to live in

454
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: a you know, fucking healthy world. They basically argue that

455
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: their constitutional rights were being trampled on, like being trampled

456
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: on because the state like actually legally mandates a policy

457
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 3: that you know, like prioritizes fossil fuel use and also

458
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: like the helopment of fossil fuel use. So like it's

459
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: just very like, yeah, it's on our books. We love

460
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: fucking gasoline and dino juice. And there's also a part

461
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 3: of those like mandates that actually make the state literally

462
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 3: ignore the impact of fossil fuel use in greenhouse gas emissions.

463
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 3: They're like, don't even look at that shit, it's our

464
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: policy in the state of Montana. So basically they went

465
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 3: full earthfuck. And the plaintiffs argued that the Montana Constitution

466
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: grants them the right to a clean and healthful environment

467
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: also like you know, dignity, help and safety, happiness, equal

468
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 3: protection under the law. And they're saying, this, shit, if

469
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: you're mandating this kind of nonsense, that completely that's violating

470
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: our constitutional right. Yeah, and the judge heard enough, ruled

471
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: in their favor and has now enjoyed the state from

472
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: implementing these laws in the future.

473
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: So it's done so.

474
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: A very small thing, but many people are pointing to

475
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: the fact that this is really significant and like a

476
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: lot of policy people see this as a new tool

477
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: to fight back because when all the facts and science

478
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: and like are presented along with them on the future generations,

479
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 3: there seems to be a consensus that this amounts to

480
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: a true constitutional violation that has to be considered.

481
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's it should be against the law for

482
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: them to poison the.

483
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: Future, right, Yeah, it's just because like I think it's

484
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: abstract where it's like, well you can't dump radioactive waste

485
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: by a school, Like it's the same thing where it's like,

486
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: well we're not seeing it now, so shit's just going

487
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: in the air that who knows what impact that has,

488
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 3: And now that they're articulating it, it's yeah, it's it's.

489
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Just pointing out that the current laws actually like mandate

490
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: that you do destroy the earth.

491
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's an easy one.

492
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: It was probably the easiest one to go for because

493
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: you're like they're literally saying ignore the fucking science here. Yeah,

494
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: like at our detriment, Like, so what.

495
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 5: Gifts something I like about this story is that it

496
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: includes that the ages of the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs were

497
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: five to twenty two, Like it's like making it possible

498
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 5: that it was the five year old that was like

499
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 5: we got to do something about it.

500
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, hey, hey, hey, hey, get off

501
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: your fucking PlayStation. Yeah yeah, I'm five.

502
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: Years old and I'm looking at my outlook and I'm

503
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: feeling over yeah.

504
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

505
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 5: And then they're like, okay, let him cook, let him cook, fine, yeah,

506
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 5: doesn't need an app No, he's being serious, Okay, just

507
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 5: he just happened.

508
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: That's why he's so energetic.

509
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: He arguing in front of the judge, like yeahmate.

510
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Change change.

511
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to be like something inherently like

512
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is definitely anecdotal, but it feels

513
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: like young children are just like, yeah, no, I'm like

514
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: a vegetarian because why wouldn't I bear you fucking crazy,

515
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: It's like, you're six, what are you talking about? But

516
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: they're just it seems like through just living in a

517
00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: world that is like completely deranged and completely fucking the future. Yeah,

518
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Like the message is getting to them despite the best

519
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: efforts of kind of the mainstream media yeah.

520
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: I don't know how a little kid could look around

521
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 5: now and be like this seems fine, Like it's like

522
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: everything is just good, markedly bad that like kids today

523
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: have to be like, hmmm, yeah, what ten years left,

524
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: I'll be sixteen. Let's see if I can try to

525
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: fix this thing.

526
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: Like it's weird too, Like how my empathy I used

527
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: to be, like, man, these young kids don't know.

528
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: We was out here on bicycles and shit, pre yeh shooter. Man,

529
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: shit was you could get you know, those fucking beautiful

530
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: you We go around the playgrounds and say yeah.

531
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, don't fucking know, push kid over now I

532
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: turn on the swing.

533
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

534
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: But then like now I'm truly like.

535
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 3: Damn, these kids aren't gonna know some of the things.

536
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: Like I look at my own little baby and I'm

537
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: like this, I don't even know what the fuck his

538
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: world is gonna look like compared to the shit that

539
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 3: I had, And I'm like, damn, Like it's that's kind

540
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: of an l And now you realize, you know, this

541
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: is truly like this is the real fight that has

542
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: to that is taking place, because this isn't the only.

543
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Place where lawsuits like this are happening.

544
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Because when in Hawaii, like in there are other states,

545
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 3: because again, it seems like a pretty good tool to

546
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: use to try and counteract dino juice addiction.

547
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels and again, like as we talked about

548
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: in our episode about Ministry for the Future, like we

549
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: are in a unique position being inside the United States,

550
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: Like we're in the belly of the beast, and like

551
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: other countries are, you know, already kind of working with

552
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: the new reality and just like in acting policies, but

553
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: the US is still in this bizarre cognitive dissonance spiral.

554
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're like, why is everyone so unhappy?

555
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: It's like right, because like there's a very clear reality

556
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: that everyone's having to just like lock out and ignore

557
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: to like get through their day to day lives. Yeah. Absolutely,

558
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: it's not good for you. It can't be good for you.

559
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 5: No, No, you know, the ocean's boiling in Florida, Like

560
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 5: people are just like, ah, I just won't think about that.

561
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: I'll just think about how my I got third degree

562
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: burns from walking on the sidewalk.

563
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, hot outside, kidney, dude, We're going hot tubbing in

564
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: the ocean. It's fucking tight fu. Yeah, that's so cool.

565
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: So just can't stand for more than ten minutes or else.

566
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, like yeah, you'll actually cook from the inside. Yeah,

567
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 5: so you only want to get in there for just

568
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 5: a little bit.

569
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: You're not on blood thinners, are you?

570
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: We need your blood kicking there. Yeah. Yeah.

571
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: You know that metaphor about like the frog and the

572
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: boiling water, Like that's actually not a metaphor anymore.

573
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: All these frog reality You need to.

574
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of there. Now, we'll speaking of Florida.

575
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Let's check in down there real quick, Ron DeSantis. This

576
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: is like I'm enjoying Ron de Santis's campaign. I did

577
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: not think I would not hitting in, but man, he

578
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: is bad at this and just there's not a true

579
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: like no, he is not. He has yet to hit

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: like a note that wasn't.

581
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: Just like.

582
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, so just sour and like false and completely

583
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: like incapable of connecting with humans in a way.

584
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: And then like every headline that comes out every week

585
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: is some version of like people like Ron DeSantis til

586
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: they fucking meet him, like.

587
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: They're just doing to his There's so many permutations of that,

588
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: and the other one's like is Ron DeSantis's biggest problem?

589
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: Rond de Santis.

590
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: What's so funny because like I feel like a lot

591
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: of these guys come out of the woodwork like even

592
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 5: like like you know, they start talking, they start campaigning,

593
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: and then they just like reveal themselves to be the

594
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 5: biggest freaks on Earth, like like like a couple of

595
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 5: years ago when I didn't know, I mean, I was

596
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: blessed to not know who Ted Cruz was, and then

597
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 5: he shows up and then he's just like the biggest.

598
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: Dweeb on planet Earth. This guy fucking sucks.

599
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: He's like not even like not that like his policies

600
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: would be better if he was cool, but like he

601
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: can't even pretend to be like a normal man.

602
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he's just like there's he has like every

603
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: terrible fall, like he's a coward, like on top of

604
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: being like a racist and like violently ignorant. Is like

605
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: he doesn't stand for any not even his own wife.

606
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 9: You're like, yeah, are you a litle g Yeah, so

607
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 9: you know Ron DeSantis now he's like trying to fucking

608
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 9: rite the ship, like he's trying to be like I'm

609
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 9: the optics are so bad.

610
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: Around everything I do, like I need fucking help.

611
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: And he recently proclaimed that he's moved on from his

612
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: feud with Disney, which is one of those central conflicts

613
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: that has made him look like the most petulant asshole

614
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, and so again, just to break it

615
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 3: down again, if you recall, Disney decided to speak up

616
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: way too late in the game when DeSantis decided to

617
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: roll out his don't say Gay bill, and people were like, uh,

618
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Disney's like, oh yeah, yeah, I actually yeah, this is bad,

619
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: and people.

620
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: Like thank you. It was weeks late, but thank you

621
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: for saying something.

622
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: This upset Rob and he decided to nullify Disney's like

623
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: autonomous zone in Orlando and install his own puppet board

624
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: and there's all that's like legal fucking maneuvering. This led

625
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: Disney to file a lawsuit against DeSantis and the state

626
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: for what they described as quote, a targeted campaign of

627
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: government retaliation. True, and this led to just a ton

628
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: of people roasting him, Like even Donald Trump's like, oh,

629
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: you got an affect with Mickey Mouse and you got humiliated,

630
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: and like you know, everyone was.

631
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: Just fucking roasting his ass.

632
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: And now his latest quotes about it, he's like trying

633
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: to act like.

634
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: This whole thing wasn't in l the whole time. This

635
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: is the last thing he just said on CNBC. We've

636
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: basically moved on.

637
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: They're suing the State of Florida and they're going to

638
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: lose that lawsuit. So what I would say is drop

639
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: the lawsuit. So all we want to do is treat

640
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: everybody the same and let's move forward. I'm totally fine

641
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: with that, but I'm not fine with giving extraordinary privileges,

642
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, to one special company at the exclusion of

643
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: everybody else. This guy really just pulled the middle school

644
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: like I'm winning this fight, so you might as well, yeah,

645
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: walk away.

646
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: He's Jim Robinson in the opening sketch of season three.

647
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: When I start to lose, I look at my phone exactly, like.

648
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: Truly, it really doesn't feel like we're like in middle school,

649
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: like kids like talking ship that someone claps back and

650
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: makes them look like an absolute fool and then they go,

651
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm over it. Actually, like I wasn't even happy,

652
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Like this wasn't even a fight anyway, Yes, come on,

653
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: fuck right off.

654
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: It's impressive, Like I've just that that we've gotten to

655
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: a place where this was like the great hope for

656
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: defeating Donald Trump, and.

657
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: He's just he's so bad.

658
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Everything he can't like can't make a move that doesn't

659
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: make him look like absolute shit.

660
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just he's just a device, as Chris Crofton

661
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: would say, you know what I mean, Like he just

662
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: kind of goes for like the shitty wind blows and

663
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: he has no real thought and like so he's just

664
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: trying to like he's just grasping out a ton of shit.

665
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's like sideshow bob stepping on rakes, but

666
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: like as a guy.

667
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a let's take

668
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: another quick break, and we'll come back and talk about

669
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Speaker 1: some pop culture.

670
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back.

671
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Speaker 1: It sounds like there's an incentive for not even like

672
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: acknowledging a hit show. And I know that's also like

673
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: always been a traditional like you know the thing that

674
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: people said about the entertainment industry, right, like the first

675
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones movie, Like it's still like according to the

676
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: studio that made it like not profitable, you know, like

677
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: like that right, it's like creative bookkeeping to keep people

678
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: from participating. But it does feel like there is like

679
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: we don't even know when a show is a hit anymore.

680
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: And like it's just like they dumped so much content

681
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: me like shows on the like on their streaming networks

682
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: without like even trying to promote when like one of

683
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: them was a hit. It was just all like invisible.

684
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: And it's like all these things that supposedly millions and

685
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: millions of people are watching and are entering like should

686
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: be entering our like cultural like bloodstream and like these

687
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: are the ideas that are like affecting the zeitgeist, and

688
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: they're just like completely invisible. Do you do you think

689
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: that's connected to the streamers just being so kind of

690
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: guarded about letting their data.

691
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Speaker 4: Well, one is they might simply be I'll say, you know,

692
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: using creative statistics, right of bullshitting right, Yeah, Like that's

693
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: certainly a possibility. But the other thing is, yeah, has

694
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: been like their model is like so driven by people

695
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: who apparently don't like or watch TV or understand how

696
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 4: culture works at all, Like down to the binging. Yeah,

697
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: it's it's Wall Street and Silicon Valley's influence. Like you

698
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 4: can see that happening because it's not like there aren't

699
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: things that can happen, right, even like on the streamers,

700
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: like a squid game or like you know, you know,

701
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: just whatever, like you know jury dudey, Yeah, like things,

702
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: things can break through and make a cultural impact. But

703
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: I think it is because these people essentially what their

704
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: business model is. And you can tell sorry, this is

705
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: all my own speculation, I should say, is like you

706
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: watch them trying to feed this like concept of quote

707
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 4: content like you see it in like HBO Max, like

708
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: David's aslife just thinks of everything as content, like he's

709
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: like Househunters and Game of Thrones is equally like equally

710
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: a creative endeavor. Yeah, like like that is like very

711
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: important to their worldview. It's just like minutes to eyeballs

712
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 4: and fill in tape essentially. So so that I think

713
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 4: is also why like like they they don't like they

714
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: seem to have an interest in devaluing the business model.

715
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: And I will just throw this out there. If you

716
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: look at the way Silicon Valley has done things to

717
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: other industries, I think Uber is a great example, or

718
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: like ride shares in general, like they just go in

719
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: operate at a loss in an attempt to destroy the

720
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 4: industry and create some kind of monopoly, which is arguably

721
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 4: what Netflix is doing. And then you know, either jacking

722
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: up the prices or just sort of leaving the industry

723
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 4: to like fucking deal with the creater pieces and society. Yeah,

724
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, so that it just seems like like

725
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: Netflix essentially. So the the other upshot of all this

726
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: is that like because we like, streamers play much fewer

727
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: residuals off of like because we say so data Netflix

728
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: and in Netflix, you know, or the streamers having like

729
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: pioneered this practice of mini rooms, which is like again

730
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: what I went through with ninety show, like hiring much

731
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: fewer people, asking them to do much more work, and

732
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: doing it for a shorter period of time. We like

733
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: they're essentially just begging to be able to operate at

734
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: a lower cost, which is like, hey, maybe you just

735
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: don't get to if you're not smart enough to make

736
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 4: money like from television, like America's greatest import or export,

737
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: like the most powerful thing. Like other countries realize this,

738
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: Like fucking China understands that it's important to have, Like

739
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: they obviously want to screw their workers too, but they

740
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: at least understand it's important from a fucking even if

741
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: you're like a complete like you know, if you really

742
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 4: don't care about this, like just from a geopolitical standpoint,

743
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: like Great Britain gets to continue to be a world power,

744
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: you know, decades edging on century like after their their

745
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: fucking little empire like crumbles because people because the Beatles.

746
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 4: The Beatles is soft power that resonates. You know this,

747
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: we still have like my my, like dumb family who

748
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: were literally victimized by the British being like uh sad

749
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: when Queen Elizabeth dies, Like that's power, that's like fucking power.

750
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: And the fact that we appear to be like willing

751
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: to give that away. So what I should say is

752
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: what I say to give that away is if the

753
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: studios get what they want, that will, within you know,

754
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 4: five ten something years, be the end of like working

755
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: as a creative in Hollywood being a middle class sustainable existence,

756
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: like it simply will be not possible. There will not

757
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: be any staff writers like essentially that will then if

758
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: you are a low level television writer, it's sort of

759
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: the equivalent of an internship, like essentially, like only rich

760
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: kids will be able to do it right and like

761
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: that it just is basically then becoming a writer in

762
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: Hollywood is what I know most about is a lottery ticket.

763
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: You know, some of you will be able to make

764
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: it on merit, but also luck some of you will

765
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 4: be able to just outlast because you could run at

766
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: a deficit for five, six, seven, eight, nine years. Look,

767
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: and it, by the way, is already like this, but

768
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: it will make it worse. And if the like proposal

769
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: to SAG goes through, that's like essentially trying to break

770
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: the union from a pension perspective. If if what they

771
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: put on the table was there, like they would end

772
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: background acting as a profession and that would completely decimate

773
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: Sorry I should say, oh, this is as I understand it.

774
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: Adam Conover probably has the actual notes version of this,

775
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: but like that just fucking acting as like a job.

776
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: It's ends acting as a job and turns it into

777
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: a gig, which is just that that's how we start

778
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: to tell fewer interesting stories, fewer new people will come through,

779
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: will start to be doing the same thing over and

780
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: over and over again, and we will start losing to

781
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: creative people, creative countries. Like it's just it's very weird.

782
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: No it's not, but it is like sort of pathetic,

783
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: how like short term that all.

784
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: These folks thinking is yeah, yeah, because yeah, I mean

785
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: like for the longest time, we were always like, how

786
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: the fuck is Netflix a company? Because all I would

787
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: be like, they're just deficit spending and deficit spending and

788
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: deficit spending. And I was always asking, like other people

789
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: I knew who were like at the executive of them,

790
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: like what is there? Like I remember ten year or

791
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: maybe like eight years ago, asking like what the fuck

792
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: is their plan?

793
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: Exactly?

794
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And someone was like, they're probably hoping something like

795
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: an Apple or Google will just buy them at first. Yeah,

796
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: kind of like the thought and it won't matter how

797
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: much they've they've spent or because that would be the

798
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: end goal. But then also once Wall Street started rewarding

799
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: that stock to say, oh, well, it's really not about

800
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: the profits they're showing. It's about look at their their

801
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: market share that they're devouring and look at the potential.

802
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Tesla, where it's like, don't look

803
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: at like the facts and figures of the business because

804
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: it's dog shit. Think you'll like what this can do

805
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: for the future. That's what you're buying into. And then

806
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: once Netflix was like, oh we just had a subscriber loss,

807
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: Wall Street basically said fuck all you guys for not

808
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: being profitable, and then the reaction from the studios is

809
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: all right, well now we got to cut shit. Now

810
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: we got to do people got to do less. We've

811
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: got to do more with less, which is a theme

812
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: that many people across the country are familiar with, no

813
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: matter what industry you're in, it's like, hey, do more

814
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 3: for less. And we find ourselves in this position now

815
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: where we're completely like like in a way inadvertently or

816
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: very advertently, you're starting to see all of like the

817
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: the gains that were made in like equitable representation from

818
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: like the kinds of creators that we're getting shows and

819
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: the kinds of people we saw being the faces on

820
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: the screen.

821
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: We're just gonna we're just regressing right back to the

822
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: fucking status.

823
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: Quo where it's like, I don't know, we don't have

824
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: time to tell black stories or trans stories, as we

825
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: don't have time, Like what's the new fucking ip? We

826
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: can just dust off and do another They're gonna just

827
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: spin off of Nurse Jackie. Yeah, Like what the fuck

828
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 3: do worse than the status quot because it's the status quo.

829
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: But also they don't pay people living wages, right, Like, yeah,

830
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: is the actual plan yeah, they like Wiley coyote themselves

831
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: off of financial cliff. But the problem is they can

832
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 3: bring all of us with them.

833
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Right, and they're trying to do that. Yeah, that that

834
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: is it. It appears to be the plan.

835
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: And like, you know, I mean, it's just like this

836
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 4: thing where I was like again watching watching, how much

837
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: like the same work is not being rewarded or being devalued.

838
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, that was the other thing with the with

839
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: the deficits pending things. Like they also didn't really do

840
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: a good job with the money they spend. No, Like

841
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: it's like because they just think again, minutes of tape

842
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 4: is the only metric that matters. And it's so bizarre

843
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 4: how it Like.

844
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: Any fool could have told you that's not how culture works,

845
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: except for these bozos, like they misunderstand how culture works.

846
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: It's also this thing that so the other sticking point

847
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: in this strike has been AI and like, you know,

848
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: the fact that like I understand AI can do, you know,

849
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: will start to very quickly approach the old thing, you know,

850
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: perfect replicas of whatever the fuck existed in the past.

851
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: Right, But like I think, like these people like seem

852
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: to misunderstand that culture is novel like.

853
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: They they just do not get that, like there is

854
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 4: a need for something new, right, and like their little

855
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: plagiarism machine, you know it maybe can you know, through

856
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: dint of like random remixing essentially like come up with

857
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: something that does appeal to a novel center of the

858
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: culture's brains. But that's also because like some creative person

859
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: picked that instance out of this pile of fucking ten

860
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 4: thousand or ten million, Like it's still required like a

861
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: a even you know. So that's like every time everyone

862
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: anyone posts like AI art, it's like, oh, it's over

863
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: for creatives. It's like, I don't, you know, far be

864
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: it for me to defend the creativity of these AI

865
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 4: fucking evangelists. But they're misunderstanding that they picked the instance

866
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: that was like pleasing to some center of their brain

867
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: and shared with everyone right that that the AI doesn't

868
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: know that this one's better than the other fucking nine

869
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: million versions it made. It still requires like a human

870
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: sense of novelty and joy and wonder and experience to

871
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: like have this mean something. I don't know, maybe I'm

872
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Speaker 4: fucking I'm sure there's some like AI person that disagrees

873
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: with me on this.

874
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: The second that it puts out the an actual flawless

875
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Seinfeld episode.

876
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: Then I think that we're still okay.

877
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, but yeah, like the other thing, even that

878
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: would be an old show, like there are plenty of

879
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: right now. I'd write a flawless Seinfeld episode right now,

880
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing that it misses is And I

881
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: agree that, Like it feels like they're already shading in

882
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: this direction when you look at what they did with

883
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that spending, with all the money they spent, where it

884
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: was like a lesser diminished like amount of production resources

885
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: per show, and then you like look at all these

886
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: streaming shows that are like they have these crazy high

887
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: numbers like that. This one article Will lengk off to

888
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: on the foot notes talks about the show The Night

889
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Agent being this huge like Netflix show and they're talking

890
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: to the showrunner who's like, yeah, but I'm like not

891
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: not being compensated like it's a hit Netflix show or

892
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: at any show. And but like that that show like

893
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't really exist as far as like pee, like I

894
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: just it came and went and like I wasn't aware

895
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: I had it confused with the Bodyguard, I think, and

896
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: the guy who plays it is like, look similar to

897
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: The Bodyguard, and but it like I watched you know,

898
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of it, and it feels like it could

899
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: have been generated by an AI that it ingested every

900
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: procedural like up to like for the past thirty years.

901
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Like that, it feels like, yes, AI is actually in

902
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: line with what they think they're trying to do. It's

903
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: just what they think they're trying to do is going

904
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: to not make anything good, like good enough to actually

905
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: like propel the entertainment and like the art that is

906
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: that like drives culture forward into.

907
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: The future, and they're just killing something that is innately

908
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: human about like wanting to create and to be create.

909
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: Like yeah, because the way these studios and executives look

910
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: at the nature of creativity is like it's the same

911
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: way a senator would look at what they're going to

912
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: read if they're trying to fillibuster.

913
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, man, just say shit, just say worse.

914
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: That's all you got to do matter.

915
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: Just read from the phone book and that'll that's enough

916
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: to tick the right and think of how uninteresting what

917
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: happens when you shift gears to well, just read from

918
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: the phone book. The most entertaining thing might be when

919
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: they don't know how to pronounce a certain name. And

920
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: that's like the height of like fucking entertainment or whatever,

921
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: because more and more it's just looked at what we

922
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: just need to hear words and visuals be put out

923
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: there for people to stare out creativities and like a

924
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: non issue. And I think that's really a violent part

925
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: like about it is that we're taking that sort of

926
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: ability for a human being to pursue something like that,

927
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: to have an imagination and to be able to sustain

928
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 3: their life with it.

929
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Just it's not even it's not even.

930
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 10: Possible, but like like even in your example, right, like

931
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 10: like stumbling over a word is something only a fucking

932
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 10: human could do, right Like.

933
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 4: Like also it's it's like this like like they're they're

934
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: the myths that got built around like like Netflix, the

935
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: myths that they're built on. Is like we had an

936
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: algorithm that told us that people like Kevin Spacey and

937
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: political drama, and therefore we greenlit House of Cards and

938
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: look like the computer did that. No human could do that,

939
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: which like ignores there like the things that don't work

940
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: that it ignores the things that haven't worked that have

941
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: been algorithm driven. And also it's like this such a

942
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: funny thing. It's like, you know what, put Amazon streaming

943
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: on the map? Fucking transparent, which, by the way, right

944
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: not one computer at any point ever, was like do

945
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 4: you know what we need now? Like you know this

946
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: this story transparent? So like like they're working from just

947
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: like this law of tiny numbers. I mean that was

948
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: my other experience. Wow, this is maybe maybe talking out

949
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: of school, but I think this is a common enough experience,

950
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: which is like, we had a moment in nineties show

951
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 4: where they were insistent. Okay, I guess I just won't

952
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: say exactly what the thing that we're insisting on, but

953
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 4: they had a note for our opening credit sequence that

954
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 4: was basically like the algorithm says you have to do

955
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 4: this or else no one will watch it. And when

956
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: I tell you, it was an utterly, utterly, utterly inconsequential note.

957
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: From a creative perspective, it was just like, technically going

958
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: to be very difficult to do, and they're like, our

959
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: data shows that this has to be this way. And

960
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: like having worked in the network side of entertainment before,

961
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 4: and I worked with executives and watched our research department

962
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: routinely lie to them like essentially or obfuscate with statistics,

963
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: and having taken a little bit of statistics in my life,

964
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, you don't have enough data to know, Like

965
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: you simply like this niggling, tiny thing that doesn't really

966
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: make any difference, Like you're insistent on it because your date.

967
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: You're like, legitimately statistically insignificant. Data tells you one thing,

968
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 4: but it doesn't. The reality is it doesn't matter. And

969
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: the fact that you are killing multiple executives and a

970
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: high price showrunners day arguing about this is like flushing

971
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: money down the toilet. Yeah, because you worship an algorithm,

972
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: but you also don't have the statistics knowledge to like

973
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: actually say this is inconsequential. They had an inconsequential fight

974
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 4: all because I'm like, you haven't produced that many show

975
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 4: opens before, so you don't know. You just don't have

976
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: a data set that tells you, like whether this creative

977
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: choice or this creative choice makes the most difference in

978
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 4: this And again, cannot stress enough it did not make

979
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 4: a difference, right.

980
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Like I bet that executive was like, see those hits,

981
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: see those numbers.

982
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's because of the true Yeah, all.

983
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Speaker 1: Right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

984
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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show. If you like, the

985
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Speaker 1: show means the world demiles. He needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.