Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama girl drama girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in
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Speaker 1: but you'll tough go. You could sit with us girl
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Speaker 1: Drama Queen's Welcome Back Friends is episode four oh six,
Speaker 1: Season four, episode six, Where did You Sleep Last Night?
Speaker 1: This aired originally November eight, two thousand six. That tracks
Speaker 1: It does look like fall in roaming test um, Like
Speaker 1: you can see that it's approaching, and we were probably
Speaker 1: only like you know what, three weeks out from air
Speaker 1: dates or whatever we're filming. Not the point the synopsis
Speaker 1: of this episode, while we romance the fall season that
Speaker 1: we're currently in. That's what. By the way, that's why
Speaker 1: we have We probably all had such good hair in
Speaker 1: this episode because humidity was down here. Truly, everyone's hair
Speaker 1: did look so great and I didn't think about that part.
Speaker 1: And you're a thousand person, like the humidity dropped below
Speaker 1: seasonal success. We did well kids this week. Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley are worried about their financial situation, Nathan goes to
Speaker 1: someone new for help, dun Dund, but continues her secret
Speaker 1: relationship with her English teacher. Oh my god, we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. Lucas comes back to play for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: while Peyton continues to lean on him after the attack. Plus,
Speaker 1: she finds strengthen herself after the help of her real
Speaker 1: brother who is serving in the Marines. So nice to
Speaker 1: see Ernest Wadal and you in this episode. How it was, guys,
Speaker 1: I have I have opinions about that boxing scene. What okay,
Speaker 1: you go ahead ahead? No, no, no, it's solely in
Speaker 1: the episode. I feel like I do this every time,
Speaker 1: where every time we watch an episode, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have a strong opinion about this, and then we get
Speaker 1: out of chronological order and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: get back. Okay, look, I get it. Those scenes are
Speaker 1: super hard to shoot. We'll get to it when we
Speaker 1: get to it. I understand as an actor why As
Speaker 1: an actor you probably really hated doing that, But as
Speaker 1: a viewer, I'm going to say I liked it. And
Speaker 1: as a viewer, I really really really loved the opening
Speaker 1: for you. It's such a stark surprise seeing you in
Speaker 1: Peyton's room when everything is white, white, and and truly
Speaker 1: the thought I wrote it down because you know, Lucas
Speaker 1: comes in sees it, You're very stoic, and you say
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe you can paint the shadows away? And Hillary,
Speaker 1: I swear to god, I wrote down. I said, how
Speaker 1: did she deliver that line? Because I know you read
Speaker 1: it and went business, who says this? And you did
Speaker 1: it in a way that was so good and so
Speaker 1: like layered, and and I could see how shaken you
Speaker 1: were and that this was such a coping mechanism. And
Speaker 1: I loved it. And that is such evidence of when
Speaker 1: we got scripts that we went who says this? And
Speaker 1: then you make it work? And I just want to
Speaker 1: know where, where, where are all of the Emmy's girls.
Speaker 1: Here's here's weird is it's like we just did this
Speaker 1: huge episode of major, major, major trauma and the only
Speaker 1: people interacting with Peyton are the boys, right, Like not
Speaker 1: one girl goes to talk to her, like, oh baby,
Speaker 1: you were just almost raped. That's weird. Like that brother
Speaker 1: we met at that house party turned out to be
Speaker 1: a total creep. No one to talk to her, which
Speaker 1: is you can tell that like boys wrote this because
Speaker 1: like we would be in each other's like you could
Speaker 1: be my mortal enemy. We would have both crawled into
Speaker 1: bed with you and see how left your house? And yeah,
Speaker 1: but but boys are the heroes friends. Well, it's also
Speaker 1: such elementary school politics, like and I know we've talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot, but it's the way men think
Speaker 1: women are. Like the fact that after this has happened
Speaker 1: to Peyton, the only mention of you between the girls
Speaker 1: is between Joy and I. It's Brooke and Haley getting
Speaker 1: on the bus, and I'm like, don't tell her I
Speaker 1: asked about her, Like that's that's like if if you,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like stole my prom dress or something,
Speaker 1: which I will do, don't worry you. Sure, Well it's
Speaker 1: a little foreshadowing for the fans little Easter Egg, but no, truly,
Speaker 1: it's like it's so insane that we are not just there,
Speaker 1: like any fight, any upset, ceases to matter in the
Speaker 1: face of something so seismically circumstantial. I mean, Brooke. The
Speaker 1: comment that Brooke makes by the bus is something I
Speaker 1: can't remember what it was, but it was something very flippant,
Speaker 1: like oh, because you know some psycho like came after
Speaker 1: her to It's like it's something about like one little
Speaker 1: stalker and it's like, I'm sorry, she almost got raped
Speaker 1: in murder. She's got scabs all over her face. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: you like Luke didn't actually go tell both of them
Speaker 1: exactly what happened and how awful it was. Also, where
Speaker 1: is Larry? Did she not tell her dad what's going on?
Speaker 1: She says that she won't call him, which also is
Speaker 1: insane technical question, Like I work on a television show
Speaker 1: that involves law enforcement now, and I don't feel like
Speaker 1: sixteen year old get to make that choice. I feel
Speaker 1: like law enforcement has to call the homeowner or has
Speaker 1: to call the parent. And also is the parent in
Speaker 1: trouble now because they've left an underage kid by themselves.
Speaker 1: You're not a story like huge missed opportunity for a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if Peyton is like if child Protective Services
Speaker 1: is called because Peyton has been left alone for two
Speaker 1: years as a minor, where's a grandparent? Where's an uncle?
Speaker 1: Like literally where anyone? Where are the adult there? But
Speaker 1: the where are the adults? But I do think again
Speaker 1: it leans into this fantasy idea of you know, kids
Speaker 1: wanting to go out on their own, and it leans
Speaker 1: into what we clearly see butting in this episode so literally,
Speaker 1: not not even just in these figurative ways that we've
Speaker 1: been portrayed on screen, uh for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: but it's the adultification of teenagers. It's it's this notion
Speaker 1: that you know, they're on their own and the quote
Speaker 1: romantic idea is that they're finding their way. But the
Speaker 1: gross thing is that they're being treated like grown ups
Speaker 1: and not being supported. And um, I don't care how
Speaker 1: many times we have Brooke Davis repeat that she's eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna says she should have button. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Brooke, I'm a teen. So gross, and
Speaker 1: it's like it will never make it okay. It will
Speaker 1: never be okay that Larry's not there for Peyton, it
Speaker 1: will never be okay that Brooks teacher is sleeping with
Speaker 1: her like cognito, Like hell, she needs money and she
Speaker 1: can't call her parents. That was so weird. I really,
Speaker 1: I really a problem with that because the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole thing about who Haley was in the beginning was
Speaker 1: that she so badly want She saw Nathan as someone
Speaker 1: who was independent, and she saw his reliance on Dan
Speaker 1: as a weakness, and she was so encouraging of him
Speaker 1: to do things on his own, to you know, get
Speaker 1: away from his parents. She would never have respected that
Speaker 1: that he would go to his dad for money, his
Speaker 1: dad who has been so abusive in his life. And
Speaker 1: I remember when we got that script that I was
Speaker 1: I think. What I remember is that I had a
Speaker 1: lot going on in my personal life as usual, and
Speaker 1: this day you you at the best skin and um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just remember really feeling gross about that
Speaker 1: and like kind of pushing through it, and I remember
Speaker 1: wanting to spend time arguing about it, but I just
Speaker 1: didn't have the energy and I was like, fine, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll say it. And watching this now, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: really wish I had pushed back on that a little
Speaker 1: bit because it's just so out of character for her.
Speaker 1: And there were so many other people to call, Like
Speaker 1: Hayley's parents were the nodull But what about Grandpa, Grandma? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Whitey even, Yeah, why do you give me
Speaker 1: some money? That would have been a great art that's right. Well,
Speaker 1: what about Lucas and Um and Nathan teaming up to
Speaker 1: do some kind of something to raise money? To like,
Speaker 1: I feel like there were just so many opportunities. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know why he went to
Speaker 1: Dan Well, but the only reason he went to Dan
Speaker 1: was to set up Rick Fox being like a loan shark.
Speaker 1: But that's lazy writing. I agree, I fully agree. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you can you can see it. It's like
Speaker 1: it so much of what we're seeing here is lazy writing.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's get the muffia involved, let's get the girl,
Speaker 1: let's get the girl banging her teacher in the classroom.
Speaker 1: Like it's all just so gross, and it's like it
Speaker 1: just it truly does remind me like, oh man, anytime
Speaker 1: you doubt yourself, just imagine you had the confidence of
Speaker 1: a mediocre man, because, like truly, because the level of
Speaker 1: mediocrity that we're seeing here, it's like you threw the
Speaker 1: stone two inches and went that'll do. Like come on,
Speaker 1: you know. This is something Rob Buckley said to me
Speaker 1: once I was telling him. I was talking to him
Speaker 1: about this guy that I was seeing, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: your it to do? And I was like trying to explain,
Speaker 1: like how do I you know what the whole situation was? Anyway,
Speaker 1: he just at one point he just looked at me
Speaker 1: and he was like, this guy's not making any effort. Joy.
Speaker 1: And I was like, but he did this, and he
Speaker 1: did that, blah blah blah, and he was like, Joy,
Speaker 1: that's showing up with shoes on. You're you're giving him
Speaker 1: way too much credit. And it's I love that phrase
Speaker 1: and I use it all the time now, Thanks Robert Buckley.
Speaker 1: But that's what this episode was, showing up with shoes on.
Speaker 1: It was. There were so many lazy writing moments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the thing is, I think it could have
Speaker 1: been really cool, you know, to your point. If if
Speaker 1: Nathan had leaned on Lucas and said, I'm really struggling, man,
Speaker 1: here's what's going on, and the Ravens had organized something,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it have been cool to see Rick Fox like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go really cliche high school. Let's say they organized
Speaker 1: the Ravens basketball players do a car wash. Wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be cool to see Rick Fox creep through there in
Speaker 1: his fancy Cadillac. Notice he needs money. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: fancy to my Cadillac. By the bye, I was like,
Speaker 1: if we're trying to sell that this dude's like successful,
Speaker 1: Why is the English teacher driving a cooler car than
Speaker 1: like so insane? So insane. I love this day dream though,
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what about or the cool Yeah, but all
Speaker 1: those boys and that's what I'm saying, Like they could
Speaker 1: have done something, and then the creepy guy could have
Speaker 1: come in the mix and and and you know, even
Speaker 1: asked somebody like what are we doing? And it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Nathan's got a baby on the way, We're
Speaker 1: raising some money. Like it could have all seemed very
Speaker 1: innocent and fun and and led to something sinister, but
Speaker 1: instead we just put pedal to the metal on like
Speaker 1: sinister stranger. Yeah, because then Dan could have offered to
Speaker 1: give him money, and then Nathan could have chosen to
Speaker 1: take it from Rick Fox instead of his dad. Like right,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many interesting way I feel like
Speaker 1: this episode, not this episode, but this kind of cluster
Speaker 1: of episodes is really when one tree Hill started to
Speaker 1: jump the shark. And and it was because when we
Speaker 1: had the whole thing of like who killed Dan, and
Speaker 1: people started making like references to Dallas and and who
Speaker 1: shot Jr? Who shot j R? Yeah, it felt like
Speaker 1: some of our bosses thought, oh man, we are going
Speaker 1: to enter into a legacy of and so they wanted
Speaker 1: those big, huge, weird storylines. I don't know any of
Speaker 1: our fans that loved our show for those big, huge,
Speaker 1: weird storylines. Everything that they bring up is like the
Speaker 1: small intimate moments. Yeah. I just don't think they could
Speaker 1: get away from the competition of OC and Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: and how big those shows were in the industry. Because
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill was super popular with our crowd, like
Speaker 1: our grassroots crowd, which was a huge population, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the We weren't the show that was getting
Speaker 1: all of the sort of Hollywood attention. And I think
Speaker 1: there was an obsession with the competition, like trying to
Speaker 1: put us on on the same level or something so strange.
Speaker 1: It's also so weird to me because the the Hollywood attention,
Speaker 1: to your point, joy like, that's all manufactured. That's that's
Speaker 1: publicists doing their jobs, sending people to events we weren't in.
Speaker 1: We weren't getting that level of Hollywood attention because we
Speaker 1: weren't in Hollywood. We were in l A or New York.
Speaker 1: What was that dorky club that everybody went to, Remember
Speaker 1: that club that like everyone was seeing that. Oh like hide,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Still there. I've never been like
Speaker 1: you guys. We we couldn't wrap work and go to
Speaker 1: some fancy event or a publicity dinner or a like.
Speaker 1: We were just working and going home and like going
Speaker 1: to the Copper Penny to have And I loved that,
Speaker 1: but we weren't in the mix in that way. And
Speaker 1: so it's just so odd to me that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like if they wanted it that badly, they could
Speaker 1: have done with us. What they did was shameless, Like
Speaker 1: we could have shot in l A at Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: and then done exteriors in Wilmington's for like six weeks
Speaker 1: a year, but they didn't want to do that. And
Speaker 1: so it's like pick one. You either want to be
Speaker 1: the show that shoots in the town where your show
Speaker 1: is set or or you want to like send your
Speaker 1: kids to Rolling Stone parties. But you can't have both.
Speaker 1: It's true. And and you, Sophia in particular, worked your
Speaker 1: ass off maintain and build your career off of this
Speaker 1: show by doing things like flying back and forth every
Speaker 1: weekend to l A to make sure that you were
Speaker 1: able to participate in the things that you wanted to
Speaker 1: be there for, which got you more work, which brought
Speaker 1: you know, gave you an opportunity to have the platforms
Speaker 1: that you have now. It's like there was this amazing
Speaker 1: stepping stone that you saw, especially with your pr brain too,
Speaker 1: because you went to school for journalism or for for journalism.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but I gotta say it didn't feel
Speaker 1: like that for me. Like I was hustling home as
Speaker 1: often as I could for like meetings, I was going
Speaker 1: home to audition a lot. I've I've never really been
Speaker 1: a person who loves like sending it a tape. So
Speaker 1: if there was something I really wanted to like fight for,
Speaker 1: you know, I would. I would fly, I would take
Speaker 1: the meeting, I would do whatever. I would definitely make sure,
Speaker 1: especially by this point, that like any event for the
Speaker 1: charities I was working with, I would I would make
Speaker 1: it home. But it's funny because to me it felt
Speaker 1: so much like there was so much I wanted to
Speaker 1: do that I just couldn't because we were in Welmington's
Speaker 1: it wasn't possible. And with work sometimes, like I remember,
Speaker 1: there there are two movies that like still crush me
Speaker 1: that that I like I was supposed to do, and
Speaker 1: then because of our dates, because like we would do
Speaker 1: twenty four episodes instead of twenty two, I couldn't. And
Speaker 1: I watched people go do these projects and just be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I wanted that's so bad. But you
Speaker 1: know it's like we tried. We tried to do anything
Speaker 1: that we all couldn't. Certainly, by this point, I was
Speaker 1: just like itching to do anything else the teachers or
Speaker 1: like random part time models. Yeah, so weird that I
Speaker 1: was looking for more fulfilling work. Then this really annoyed
Speaker 1: me in this episode watching that, I was hated. Can
Speaker 1: they not think of anything else else for Sophia to do?
Speaker 1: You're so good? I don't understand why it was just
Speaker 1: continually over and over. Oh here's a new boy, let's
Speaker 1: throw him on Sophia. Can we come up with something else?
Speaker 1: But they've also got your bitchy like season one too,
Speaker 1: you're being punished in this episode. They were like, all
Speaker 1: the stuff you've worked for for all these years, we're
Speaker 1: back at square one. We shoot some laddered you all
Speaker 1: the way back. You know what I will say, I
Speaker 1: don't like obviously we've we've talked about this I don't
Speaker 1: like the way that Brooke and Peyton are relating at
Speaker 1: this point, but I get I get that they want
Speaker 1: us separated so they can have the big reunion episode
Speaker 1: at you know, prom or Winter Formal or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But I love like, even when Brooke is hysterical or
Speaker 1: like stressed and gets really snappy, I love the comedy
Speaker 1: of Brook and Rachel too, Like all of that is
Speaker 1: so fun and rich and hilarious, and like us in
Speaker 1: the bathroom killed me, Like I loved this, and I
Speaker 1: just wish they had let us have more fun together
Speaker 1: and that it didn't always have to be about a guy.
Speaker 1: That's all we ever talked about, Brooke and Rachel boys
Speaker 1: boys boys boys boys boys boys, and it's like we're
Speaker 1: both too good for that. I like that you guys went.
Speaker 1: I mean I literally wrote in my notes Brooke and
Speaker 1: Rachel besties with the whole mixtaper earrings thing, and then
Speaker 1: literally like two seconds later, you skanked me into this,
Speaker 1: like from like, oh my god, we're best friends. We've
Speaker 1: earned it. Like this feels nice to You're dead to me,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's so high school. That is so
Speaker 1: high school with high school girls. Do um. Can we
Speaker 1: talk for a second about Lucas cluelessness at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this episode. Well, also the introduction of Chad's platinum
Speaker 1: blonde hair. That's what I want to because at some
Speaker 1: point between Derek almost raping and murdering his best friend
Speaker 1: slash feature wife Um and this episode, he had time
Speaker 1: to go up dye his hair plantum blood. What's going on, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm into it, Like, here's here's what my brain remembers.
Speaker 1: I yesterday had to do a sit down for a
Speaker 1: documentary about TRL and about like the MTV of it
Speaker 1: all and how it did tie into One Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: like we were like the music stuff. You know, they
Speaker 1: literally handed us the fan base we had on a
Speaker 1: silver platter because the numbers were the exact same between
Speaker 1: TRL and One Tree Hill, and and we had no
Speaker 1: like EMO representation with the boys on the show. And
Speaker 1: like Chad was like, give me that torch. I am
Speaker 1: going to be the boy wearing eyeliner and with the
Speaker 1: platinum blonde hair, and I am going to be your
Speaker 1: EMO dream come true. And like for girls, he did it.
Speaker 1: He should have had a bass guitar that he just
Speaker 1: like slung around that would be. That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, though, is like he's lee thing into that
Speaker 1: level of emo in a way that I I almost
Speaker 1: wish they'd let him take it a little farther. Like
Speaker 1: in this episode, like he's wearing that I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was like an ed Hardy shirt or whatever
Speaker 1: that is, but it's got like a skull and like it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, let it, let
Speaker 1: it go the two steps past, let it go to
Speaker 1: actual rock and roll instead of the like middle party thing,
Speaker 1: because like Chad committed to it, like his hair is
Speaker 1: bleached out, he is, I don't know if it's eyeline
Speaker 1: or eyeshot or whatever. He's wearing that like leans into
Speaker 1: that very fallout boy like I make up it's but
Speaker 1: it works on him, like and I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if he found it first, like doing the Jack
Speaker 1: Sparrow or whatever, but I don't know. There was something
Speaker 1: I saw in this where I was like, wait, like
Speaker 1: let him like let him go because he's deep down
Speaker 1: what I was about. But that's what I was about
Speaker 1: to say, like I almost wish all us wish they'd
Speaker 1: let him like lean further into it with wardrobe and stuff,
Speaker 1: because it is when you guys really begin this like
Speaker 1: deep bond that sets you up, like when we get
Speaker 1: to the end of this season and you have the
Speaker 1: it's you moment, like I don't know, I love There's
Speaker 1: something about it that reminds me of like when you
Speaker 1: guys were trading records in season one and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want more of that, Like don't you feel that?
Speaker 1: Like you can kind of sense it coming. It was
Speaker 1: such a thing during this time period and for us
Speaker 1: to not have any of the boy characters embodied like
Speaker 1: that emo look in like the vibe and that like
Speaker 1: let him be our Billy Idol come on. We were
Speaker 1: coming off of Pearl Jam and Nirvana and even Dave
Speaker 1: Matthews band was kind of the new generation of that
Speaker 1: that we were all into. But that was all very
Speaker 1: emo stuff and the guys were kind of grungy and
Speaker 1: we never we never had the pop music. It was
Speaker 1: all pop punk, so it was like the Used and
Speaker 1: then Canada gave us some forty one and we had
Speaker 1: fall Out Boy and those were all like the kids
Speaker 1: that would come on TRL and every damn one of
Speaker 1: them was wearing guyliner. But I think but That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is like I wish they'd I wish they'd
Speaker 1: let it go a little farther with him, and like
Speaker 1: that wardrobe had leaned into it, because there's something kind
Speaker 1: of cool again, the women see it. The guys, the
Speaker 1: guys in the writer's room are not like doing enough.
Speaker 1: But when you think about the fact that Peyton was
Speaker 1: super into Pete Wentz, I love the idea that post
Speaker 1: Pete Wentz, Lucas decides he wants to be like a
Speaker 1: little more emo, and like, yeah, I like that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think it's so and like viby and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm like, damn, I wish that they'd
Speaker 1: been smart enough to like track it that way and
Speaker 1: lean into a little more, because clearly he was game,
Speaker 1: like he was enjoying it, so like let him live.
Speaker 1: If Peyton's the goth girl on the cheerleading squad, having
Speaker 1: a guy an eyeliner on the varsity basketball team is
Speaker 1: not something that we've seen on television that was new. Um,
Speaker 1: it's also really probably the most normal thing that happened
Speaker 1: in this episode because having a preteen boy right now,
Speaker 1: you know we're going to go We're gonna go to
Speaker 1: a concert this weekend and see Mona skin those hot
Speaker 1: little Italians And I was like, Gus, do you want
Speaker 1: to wear eyeliner? And he's like, uh, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: I know. And that level of experimentation in middle school
Speaker 1: in high school is not something that we're seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of with the boys on our show. And so
Speaker 1: cheers to Chad for I think he's the one that
Speaker 1: initiated it. I don't think anyone in the hair and
Speaker 1: makeup trailer was like, hey, we should try this. I
Speaker 1: think he definitely know he that was what he wanted.
Speaker 1: And I just think like it would have been so
Speaker 1: cool if, instead of kind of like fighting to rain
Speaker 1: him in on it, our creative team had been like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, this is going to be a vibe,
Speaker 1: like like Lucas goes from being a very you know,
Speaker 1: carbon copy southern boy who gets like a generic terrible
Speaker 1: tattoo with Brooke to like finding his identity which is
Speaker 1: more emo with Peyton, Like I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that evolution. And I don't know he he
Speaker 1: loved it, and so I just wish they'd like seen
Speaker 1: it as an asset and let him run with it
Speaker 1: and leaned into it for the two of you, because
Speaker 1: as the two of you are having this experience that
Speaker 1: leads to the future of your characters. I just think
Speaker 1: it would have been really cute if you'd started to
Speaker 1: look more like like brother and sisters and matching haircut.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time that you, like, like
Speaker 1: tried something new at school, like that you you went
Speaker 1: out there and you were like, oh, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be different today. Oh. I literally thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna be Like do you remember the first time you
Speaker 1: realized you were wearing the same outfit as your partner
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, Grant and I literally do
Speaker 1: it all the time. We'll like, we'll like meet upstairs
Speaker 1: to go to dinner, and I'll just be like, Osh,
Speaker 1: one of us has to change. We're just wearing all
Speaker 1: the same colors, and I'm like, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: really are becoming the same person. But oh, high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first one was when I went to high school
Speaker 1: and showed up in New Jersey from Texas and that
Speaker 1: that combo did not fly. I had to get tough fast.
Speaker 1: Is that when you started wearing your hoop earrings? That's
Speaker 1: when I started doing the dark brown lip liner hoop earrings.
Speaker 1: It was like the frosty brown lipstick but with dark
Speaker 1: brown eye mac swirl. Oh, I remember you looked like Carrie.
Speaker 1: Like you showed pictures and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's Mariah car Yeah, it's hot. So what did you do, Hilary?
Speaker 1: I mean, I very much wanted to fit in because
Speaker 1: I've been an ostracized kid, and so freshman year like
Speaker 1: went to the mall and bought all the things that
Speaker 1: Abercrombie had, and like freshman year was abercrombied out. And
Speaker 1: then I started dating this like really bad boy, and
Speaker 1: I didn't have like I didn't have to follow any
Speaker 1: rules anymore. I could do whatever they wanted and nobody
Speaker 1: could say anything to me. Uh, And so I started
Speaker 1: dressing like a man, like I went to the thrift
Speaker 1: store and bought like old man trousers and wear a
Speaker 1: little teeny tiny shirts with like big old man pants,
Speaker 1: and that feeling of just like oh that's yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but that feeling of like, oh, I don't have to
Speaker 1: play by the rules and some people are going to
Speaker 1: make fun of this, but like the hot people are
Speaker 1: this is my uniform. Like you feel it you step
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, yeah, I remember there was one summer
Speaker 1: at camp. I started going to camp when I was nine,
Speaker 1: and you had a literal uniform that you had to
Speaker 1: wear at school, right, Oh yeah, so like weekends were
Speaker 1: our playground. But yeah, I mean I like, I bought
Speaker 1: uniform skirts in seventh grade and never bought new ones.
Speaker 1: So in seventh grade they were like oversized, like school girl,
Speaker 1: like to the knees. And by my senior year, I
Speaker 1: looked like a cheerleader because I was like, I'm spending
Speaker 1: my money on new new skirts. Absolutely not um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there was like, God, the summer between eighth and ninth
Speaker 1: grade was when all the huge, like giant Union Bay
Speaker 1: jeans were a thing, and so it was like big
Speaker 1: baggy jeans, little crop tops, and my friend Lauren and
Speaker 1: I got really into white eyeliners, like thick, like chunky,
Speaker 1: thick white eyeliner and so much mascara, and we were
Speaker 1: just like, we are so cool, We're so cool. Oh man,
Speaker 1: got the white eyeliner. I'd forgotten about that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great, I'll find I tried that once for
Speaker 1: an event. It was like something in New York Fashion Week.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna really just go out on
Speaker 1: a limb and eyeliner. Let me tell you what does
Speaker 1: not look good on my face? I don't know if
Speaker 1: it looks good on my face either, but god, I
Speaker 1: felt fabulous. I remember the little plastic like woven chokers
Speaker 1: that looked like little flowers. Yes, they have a little
Speaker 1: flower choker and white eyeliner and little tops and giant jeans.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was a moment, so twiggy. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had chokers. I had the leather choker that was like
Speaker 1: but then I've realized, like I had a weapon around
Speaker 1: my neck, like anybody could have murdered me where something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, because it won't break, Yeah, it won't break.
Speaker 1: And when it was like woven leather, Um, what was yours? Joy?
Speaker 1: Did you have like a cameo on one? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably I did. Oh god, I love cameos. Nailed it, predictable, Victorian. Victorian,
Speaker 1: I had a cameo velvet choker with a cameo on't
Speaker 1: like a little face tie. Yeah, I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: I've seen you wearing one of those. Actually, hold on,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm on the internet right now
Speaker 1: buying a choker web. I was I was watching The
Speaker 1: Great you guys watching that on Hulu. The oh, it's
Speaker 1: so good. It's about but it's um l Fanning and
Speaker 1: Nicholas Holes. Isn't it very like cheese? It is? It's
Speaker 1: it's bubblegum pop. I'm excited. And the costumes are insane,
Speaker 1: the sets are insane, the acting is really it's all
Speaker 1: very very well done. Um. But there's a character and
Speaker 1: she always wears a diamond necklace like a ten this
Speaker 1: necklace but thicker, and then with uh ribbon, like a
Speaker 1: just a ribbon choker around her neck and this diamond
Speaker 1: necklace together. Every time I see it, I'm like, why
Speaker 1: I need that in my life. Yeah, the holidays, that's
Speaker 1: the look. Let's do that next time, next time. So
Speaker 1: you made the choice not to wear a lot of
Speaker 1: makeup in this episode. Speaking of makeup, Hillary and I,
Speaker 1: it's the first time I remember seeing that because even
Speaker 1: after Ellie died, like they still you still had lipstick
Speaker 1: on the next day, not like it was noticeable. It
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, there was a uniform for
Speaker 1: all of us, uh, for our faces, and it was
Speaker 1: just like, that's what it is around the c w
Speaker 1: you have to look like this, And I really loved
Speaker 1: that you in this episode had you probably had foundation
Speaker 1: on your skin, looked amazing. You were super glowy, best
Speaker 1: hair days you've ever had um so far, and uh
Speaker 1: didn't shower the whole time. Maybe that was it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but you But did you have to fight
Speaker 1: anybody on that or was that a pretty easy transition?
Speaker 1: You're like, look, I just had an attack. I'm going
Speaker 1: to not have makeup on this episode. I watching this
Speaker 1: episode back, I can't pinpoint exactly what it is, but
Speaker 1: I it's like I had acid reflux watching this episode back,
Speaker 1: Like my body remembers being mad or like grossed out
Speaker 1: or just like toxic, and I I hate it this
Speaker 1: Like I watching it back almost twenty years later, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate this, hate this, I hate this. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the trauma bond between Peyton and Lucas, and I
Speaker 1: didn't have the words for that back then. But the
Speaker 1: romanticizing of a trauma bond is weird for me as
Speaker 1: a grown up. You know, like, this child has been assaulted,
Speaker 1: she is living in Karen's house, and like no adult
Speaker 1: talks to her, and so of course she is so
Speaker 1: glued Lucas's side. That's not love. That's not love, that's trauma.
Speaker 1: And like, at what point you know, to sleeping beauty,
Speaker 1: wake up from that and say, oh, I've kind of
Speaker 1: been in a I've been in a holding pattern just
Speaker 1: trying to like survive every day. Um. So I really
Speaker 1: didn't like that. I really didn't like how Derek was
Speaker 1: directed to be so hostile. I didn't like that we
Speaker 1: finally had another black man on the show and he
Speaker 1: was directed to be super hostile. And I thought it
Speaker 1: was out of character for a marine. They are trained
Speaker 1: to control their feelings, and so there was a lot
Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's a lot there that I was like,
Speaker 1: Ernest is a good actor, so I don't like this
Speaker 1: direction that he was given. Um. And I thought the
Speaker 1: whole get over at Peyton messaging was yeah, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not a way to handle sexual assault. I see all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think these are great points. But you
Speaker 1: as an actor, so I'm saying you really did. You
Speaker 1: really did a beautiful job. And I will say, like,
Speaker 1: the the thing that I wrote down, the thing that
Speaker 1: felt the most authentic to me. There's a line really
Speaker 1: early in the episode. That is something that makes me
Speaker 1: want I just want to punch people in the face
Speaker 1: when they say this to anyone who's been through something.
Speaker 1: Lucas says to you, if you let this change you,
Speaker 1: he wins. And it's like, excuse me, there is a
Speaker 1: before and after when you go through something like this,
Speaker 1: and you just so simply respond and say, then maybe
Speaker 1: he wins. I mean that's probably how I would answer
Speaker 1: in real life. Yeah. Yeah, But it was the only
Speaker 1: acknowledgement of of course this is going to change me,
Speaker 1: and in whatever way you frame it, I'm different and
Speaker 1: like it. It felt like an acknowledgement and and you
Speaker 1: know a bit of a protest because someone who hasn't
Speaker 1: been through that kind of trauma doesn't have a right
Speaker 1: to tell you not to be changed, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't. He's so flippant at the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 1: the whole like making jokes like, oh, let me guess
Speaker 1: what happened, like you're not feeling like, you know, had
Speaker 1: the thing, and he was kind of poking fun at you.
Speaker 1: I just I really didn't understand where he was coming
Speaker 1: from at all with any of that. Also, the whole sentiment,
Speaker 1: the whole episode is that you're a lesser person if
Speaker 1: you have been changed by a traumatic event and pay
Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, she's treated like she's lesser. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you could just get back to being old Peyton,
Speaker 1: then you'd be a tough girl again. And for the
Speaker 1: first time, she's actually being honest and admitting, Hey, I'm scared,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be myself. I'm telling people the
Speaker 1: truth for the first time ever. I'm really struggling here.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, God, she's she's a fraction of
Speaker 1: who she used to be um And you think that
Speaker 1: was the whole episode or you feel like that was
Speaker 1: just where Lucas was coming from. No, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's how. But the only two people Peyton interacts with
Speaker 1: her Lucas and Derek, and they're both telling her that,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I think that's why I liked
Speaker 1: the boxing scenes so much. It didn't seem to me
Speaker 1: that that's not the message I got anyway. I liked
Speaker 1: the interspersing of all the flashbacks of every of all
Speaker 1: these painful moments that have hit Peyton that she's just
Speaker 1: sort of taken emotionally. She's been taking these hits, taking him,
Speaker 1: taking him, taking him so to fight back is meaningful.
Speaker 1: Um It. I felt a Catharsis for her in that.
Speaker 1: As I was watching it, I was like, Yeah, that's you.
Speaker 1: You can't just keep taking the hits. You have to
Speaker 1: find a way to release. Um I liked it for
Speaker 1: that reason. It was joy. That day at work was
Speaker 1: so awkward because you see this big, huge scar on
Speaker 1: my knuckle, like I've got I've got a big middle
Speaker 1: knuckle over here. And it's because my brother had left
Speaker 1: a dirty dish in the sink and I was pissed
Speaker 1: and I went to go wash it and it shattered
Speaker 1: and it sliced open my knuckle and like cut the tendon.
Speaker 1: Good to Like three days later, I've got to shoot
Speaker 1: this boxing scene. The reason my hands are all hidden
Speaker 1: in the sleeves of that sweatshirt because we had to
Speaker 1: like pad the shit out of it because I'm Ernest
Speaker 1: was all padded up. They didn't even have him. It
Speaker 1: was like they didn't have him grab a bag or
Speaker 1: something or like a pad for me to paw. I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be punching him, but the way it
Speaker 1: had to be shot, I wasn't actually punching him. I
Speaker 1: was just kind of swinging my arm and having to
Speaker 1: like fake punch the side of him, which looks stupid,
Speaker 1: and I knew it looks stupid on the day. And
Speaker 1: anytime you have to do a stunt that you know
Speaker 1: look stupid on the day and cry on top of it,
Speaker 1: you're just like, why is everyone begin with me today?
Speaker 1: Why can't I just punch something directly or or not cry?
Speaker 1: Like it didn't look that bad now that they once
Speaker 1: they edited everything and they cut it all together, with
Speaker 1: all of it, you couldn't tell. I mean, I could
Speaker 1: tell you, but it's only because I know how you
Speaker 1: had to shoot it. It was uncomfortable. I also have
Speaker 1: to say, like now I know that that coincided with
Speaker 1: your hand thing, but I honestly when you were swinging
Speaker 1: at the sides of him, was like I'd kind of
Speaker 1: like the choice, like I thought you made a choice.
Speaker 1: To me, no, but it's like, look like a kid
Speaker 1: who didn't know what she was doing. Like you're not
Speaker 1: you know, Linda, You're not Linda Carter. You're not like
Speaker 1: wonder Woman. You're not doing like a coordinated stunt scene
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to be a kid who's this scared
Speaker 1: and and and I don't know, I kind of liked
Speaker 1: that you didn't look like, you know, a vander Holyfield, like,
Speaker 1: because I find that to be ridiculous too. They wrote
Speaker 1: this because Million Dollar Baby had just come out in
Speaker 1: two thousand four, it won the Oscar at the end
Speaker 1: of that year, and then you know, we shot this
Speaker 1: like six months later, so you know, it was just
Speaker 1: your house, like a couple episodes ago. And didn't someone
Speaker 1: else have some boxing in their house. It's like they
Speaker 1: the boxing out on a number of us, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. Also, that ring was really springy, and so
Speaker 1: when I would take steps forward, I'm like bouncing and
Speaker 1: came and I couldn't stop bouncing, and so it just
Speaker 1: looks like Peyton's hopping the whole time. And I might
Speaker 1: be the only person that's really zeroed in on this
Speaker 1: because I hated it so much, But all I saw
Speaker 1: on that scene was bouncing and arms flapping and like
Speaker 1: having to cry, Oh, Peyton. I liked it. I agree
Speaker 1: with Sophie. I thought it was a choice, the sort
Speaker 1: of like Flailey element. Well, if you do say so,
Speaker 1: it shall do. I think it's funny though that everybody
Speaker 1: on our show at some point or another was boxing
Speaker 1: except for me and I box, and I was always like,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to go. No, you're being
Speaker 1: punished a second phase with your part time model. Okay,
Speaker 1: we I don't know that we need to spend much
Speaker 1: time on it with the teacher. But why why why
Speaker 1: why did they do this? I don't know. I um,
Speaker 1: I really, I haven't stopped thinking about the tweet that
Speaker 1: we got about this. You know, it hasn't stopped kind
Speaker 1: of pinging around in my brain that that fans have
Speaker 1: picked up on what felt like some really inappropriate messaging,
Speaker 1: like that this felt targeted and and he showed us
Speaker 1: yeah last week, I guess it was you know that
Speaker 1: that men are like WHOA like f y I that
Speaker 1: felt weird to us. And you know, again we're repeating
Speaker 1: that Brooke is eighteen. Again, she goes in and says, hi,
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis, eighteen high school student. You know, the this
Speaker 1: notion that it might be inappropriate, but it's not illegal,
Speaker 1: that that a bunch of men in their mid forties.
Speaker 1: We're trying to suggest that it was okay. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: okay at least on a basic legal level. You know, no,
Speaker 1: one can ever know, but you can still do it.
Speaker 1: It just it makes my stomach turn. It makes me
Speaker 1: really feel sick because what they're doing is they're trying
Speaker 1: to normalize and romanticize a clear abuse of power. Well, also,
Speaker 1: she's okay, technically not a child. But if this man
Speaker 1: is willing to sleep with a student, you think that
Speaker 1: the fact that she's eighteen really matters to this guy,
Speaker 1: who clearly has just excellent moral standards, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know. The whole thing is just not it's just
Speaker 1: not right. Well, the scheming to where he's like if
Speaker 1: we just wait three months, it's like he has thought
Speaker 1: this out, Like how do I get away with this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the next time she's sixteen, then the next time
Speaker 1: she's fifteen, and then how how long does you know?
Speaker 1: What I mean? Like, how far does that line go?
Speaker 1: So disgusting? And again, you know the fact that this
Speaker 1: repeat of Brooks age is being peppered in so often,
Speaker 1: the fact that they made Rachel say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: normally it's eighteen is the age of consent, but in
Speaker 1: this state it's seventeen. Like, so essentially what you're saying
Speaker 1: is a bunch of other grown men have made a
Speaker 1: version of pedophilia, okay in this one state in the South,
Speaker 1: and we're going to pretend that's all right. Like I
Speaker 1: cannot imagine you guys at twenty six years old being like,
Speaker 1: you know who I want to kiss that eighteen year
Speaker 1: old that's seventeen, because I mean, what are we when
Speaker 1: we're shooting this season, We're twenty five? Like I don't
Speaker 1: even know that we were yet. I think we were
Speaker 1: still like twenty four. I mean, I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about those laws. I don't know if any of them
Speaker 1: were put in a place when teenagers were getting married,
Speaker 1: like sixteen year old were marrying each other and each
Speaker 1: other being forced to get out of the house and
Speaker 1: go get jobs. And because the economy was different and
Speaker 1: the social structures were different, So it's possible that that
Speaker 1: came from at but it's still gross because of the
Speaker 1: implications that how it affects people who do Still it's
Speaker 1: a loophole, and that's what bothers me, And that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's only ever used as a loophole, and
Speaker 1: it's used as a loophole predominantly to prey on young women.
Speaker 1: And and just the fact that we were that we
Speaker 1: were being asked forced to portray some sort of normalization
Speaker 1: of this, even when Brooke is being vulnerable with him
Speaker 1: and saying like, well, what is this? Is this just
Speaker 1: sex to you? And and she says, you know, all
Speaker 1: we ever do is sneak around. I mean, not that
Speaker 1: sneaking around is so bad. It's like she's been cultured
Speaker 1: to make jokes for her own feelings. And I still
Speaker 1: just yeah, it just all made me feel a different way.
Speaker 1: You guys, like, legitimately, legally is eighteen, he's twenty three
Speaker 1: years old. Let's those are the rules, right, And he
Speaker 1: finds out that she is his student. He could have said, hey,
Speaker 1: I really like you a lot, and there's only three
Speaker 1: months left, and so I'm going to be your friend
Speaker 1: and like get to know you for three months. I'm
Speaker 1: your teacher and so we're not going to cross those boundaries.
Speaker 1: But I like your brain and I'm seeing you use
Speaker 1: it in the classroom and like cool, and when you
Speaker 1: are eighteen, like or when you are graduated like meat.
Speaker 1: It could have gone a different way where you saw
Speaker 1: him being responsible. But now what we have back to
Speaker 1: back are two men being reeled in by the feminine
Speaker 1: wiles of high school girls between Rachel and Brook. You
Speaker 1: know Cooper was a good man before that. What I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, Yes, he's a good man, but
Speaker 1: that Rachel got her hooks in him. And I'm sure this.
Speaker 1: You know, Nick guy is a good man. It's just
Speaker 1: the sexes. They're resistible. What's amazing. The same thing happened
Speaker 1: to um what's his name, Jake with Nikiy just getting
Speaker 1: lured in. They just can't help themselves. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Like Brooke having a secret, non
Speaker 1: sexual relationship with a teacher would have been salacious and
Speaker 1: also more interesting, like if they're literally meeting in the
Speaker 1: coffee shop to talk about books or her student government
Speaker 1: stuff and he becomes a mentor as opposed to a
Speaker 1: sexual partner. But the sex sex sex, sex, sex like
Speaker 1: that Drone b is so boring. It's so boring, and
Speaker 1: it's deeply uncomfortable. Because again on their first date, when
Speaker 1: she says, oh, this is where I used to be
Speaker 1: a cheerleader, and he says, you still have the uniform,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's even from the first date, it's all
Speaker 1: he was talking about. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a fettization of these high school girls, of these cheerleaders.
Speaker 1: And when I think inc back to our boss literally
Speaker 1: screaming at us that none of the high school cheerleaders
Speaker 1: ever wanted to again, it just feels um. It makes
Speaker 1: it feel personal and creepy. It's very I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like we were all being kind of puppeted
Speaker 1: in a way that that felt it didn't feel like
Speaker 1: creative story. It really felt like personal wish fulfillment and
Speaker 1: it and it just like it makes my skin cross.
Speaker 1: We were so young, we didn't have enough experience to
Speaker 1: know how to name it and see what was going on.
Speaker 1: So it was like, we're so uncomfortable. I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: What do you guys? Even our last conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: on the last episode that aired, when we were talking
Speaker 1: about how we got bullied over the Maximum cover, Like
Speaker 1: you guys, that's headline news. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: been on the internet this week, but like it is.
Speaker 1: It is major news. People are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there are articles written about it. Surprised me, I'd said,
Speaker 1: he just sent me that from Variety this morning. I
Speaker 1: first time I saw it, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: been out for a while, but I was like, whoa, no,
Speaker 1: you guys. I I genuinely was like, wait, what this
Speaker 1: is news? And that's what I thought too, Like I thought,
Speaker 1: I've been yelling about this for years. Guys, well, hey,
Speaker 1: we've been yelling about it for years. But be we
Speaker 1: were we were treated like this was normal. We were
Speaker 1: spoken to like this was normal. We were told that
Speaker 1: this was just business dealings. So the fact that like
Speaker 1: major publications are going look what happened to these girls,
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, it really was crazy, Like for us,
Speaker 1: it was just another day that all these people are
Speaker 1: like how dare oh my god, unbelievable that this was
Speaker 1: allowed to go on on their set, and we're like, hello,
Speaker 1: this was our every day. Like it's just so it's
Speaker 1: it's it's surprising even now, um to realize how out
Speaker 1: of the norm that is. And so it I think
Speaker 1: it just all factors into when we watch things like
Speaker 1: this on screen, you go, oh, come on, it feels
Speaker 1: personal joy. You're getting put into the karen um, what
Speaker 1: is the what is what the word for? Like a
Speaker 1: man would be called a eunuch, but like you're getting
Speaker 1: put into this this like sexless box. She's the Madonna.
Speaker 1: There's it's the Madonna horror Complex and Rachel and Broker
Speaker 1: Horse and Haley is the Madonna and you you guys
Speaker 1: had beautiful scenes this episode. And it was weird to
Speaker 1: get a backstory from Karen that was no backstory, like
Speaker 1: did you guys clock that? When she was like, you know,
Speaker 1: look at all the things that you have, Haley, I
Speaker 1: was pregnant and I didn't have a family, and I
Speaker 1: had no friends, and that's all we know about Karen. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no real information. It's so weird. She's so unvaluable that
Speaker 1: we don't dig into any of it. It is so
Speaker 1: so weird. I think they just really didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was it. If you're not useful for sex, then
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with you. I suppose
Speaker 1: we'll make you pregnant, if we magine that's gonna buy
Speaker 1: us nine hole months, that's right, So we'll make you pregnant,
Speaker 1: but then you're gonna have a baby, and now you're
Speaker 1: definitely sexless. So I really don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with you. So let's make it so. If you notice
Speaker 1: these whole storylines all from like from a little bit
Speaker 1: before this all start to become about reactionary stuff. She's
Speaker 1: not actually active and making choices and doing things and
Speaker 1: inter interfering in other people's storylines, or there's no action.
Speaker 1: She's just reacting for the next like basically the next
Speaker 1: nine season or six seasons. Yeah, it's really really weird, Sophia,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say something. Well, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting that they're like, well, the minute she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: she's got to be buttoned up and and prude, and
Speaker 1: then once she's a mom, she's prude. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: do y'all forget how women get pregnant? Like, clearly she's
Speaker 1: not a sexless person. When you're pregnant, your hormones are
Speaker 1: bananas and you don't care that you're pregnant. Like, if anything,
Speaker 1: Haley should have been like all over Nathan, like you
Speaker 1: just won that game, you just won three games in
Speaker 1: a row. Let's jam Oh my god. Yes, But you
Speaker 1: know what I will say, because I don't just want
Speaker 1: to be down on the grossness of the writer's room.
Speaker 1: I want to give like a very sweet shout out
Speaker 1: to how nice it is to see the River Cork
Speaker 1: boys them in the gym, and that that scene where
Speaker 1: you know, Lucas tells Skills to keep his starter jersey
Speaker 1: and then you see Lucas, Nathan and Skills just dominating
Speaker 1: these games together. And the montages of the playoffs are
Speaker 1: so good. And even though I hate Brooke and her
Speaker 1: teacher hooking up at school, it's literally disgusting. There's the
Speaker 1: way they edit everyone's stories so that you see what
Speaker 1: everyone's doing during these montages, whether it's bad behavior, you know,
Speaker 1: good behavior, you're you know, you're dealing with your stuff.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, like that is some of the
Speaker 1: best of what our episodes were. So even though there's
Speaker 1: a lot I think that's problematic. Here, the the joy
Speaker 1: of the game and Whitey becoming such a good advocate,
Speaker 1: like telling Dan to back the funk off and Nathan
Speaker 1: and getting Lucas back in the game for fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: a game, Like there is some really d Whitey here. Ah,
Speaker 1: there's just some beautiful stuff that I want to cling
Speaker 1: to because that's what yeah, it was, just like those
Speaker 1: are the meaningful moments. It's not all the crazy action.
Speaker 1: It's the moments where you just sit on Barry's face,
Speaker 1: watching the boys play and being proud of the work
Speaker 1: that he's put in and seeing the fruits of his labor.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that in real life,
Speaker 1: Those are the moments that feed our soul, and when
Speaker 1: you watch it from characters who you love, it feeds
Speaker 1: your soul. Those are the things that feel really important
Speaker 1: to me. I loved that as well. White He had
Speaker 1: that really good quote because he was talking about you know,
Speaker 1: do you know how much it took for your mother
Speaker 1: to come in here and and ask for you to
Speaker 1: play those fifteen minutes? He said, you get fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of time, a game to make her proud and a
Speaker 1: lifetime to make them both proud, referring to Keith because
Speaker 1: he's now wearing Keith's jersey. And see, that's it, Like
Speaker 1: that's the thing that we write down. We don't write
Speaker 1: down the loan Shark ship. You know. That's that's the
Speaker 1: goofy stuff that some dude in the room thought was cool.
Speaker 1: The stuff that our fan based that was cool were
Speaker 1: those moments of like, hey, what I do matters and
Speaker 1: how I connect with people matters. Yeah, and Barry, that
Speaker 1: idea that you know, You've got these minutes in the
Speaker 1: game and a lifetime. It's it's this sweet old man
Speaker 1: essentially saying it only gets bigger and better from here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put high school in perspective. These are moments you have
Speaker 1: a whole lifetime, grow into the man you want to be,
Speaker 1: make your people proud for the next you know, sixty years,
Speaker 1: and that that's such sage advice, especially when you're in
Speaker 1: that bubble when you feel like it's your whole world.
Speaker 1: To remember that there is a universe out there waiting
Speaker 1: for you is such a that's just such a gift
Speaker 1: that's only someone with perspective can give to you at
Speaker 1: that age. Agreed. How do you feel about the mouth
Speaker 1: and gig of it all? Oh? I love seeing Kelsey.
Speaker 1: She's so good. I mean we just watched her Yellowstone
Speaker 1: like she's killing. Is such a good dramatic actress and
Speaker 1: it's crazy as to be reminded of like all this
Speaker 1: comedy she was doing is a baby. Yeah. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: so great and they're so sweet together, and it's fun
Speaker 1: to watch them. It's really fun to watch them well,
Speaker 1: and I like that mouth clocked the whole Oh, I've
Speaker 1: been friend zoned, like multiple times. Am I really going
Speaker 1: to friend zone this? You know, they try to make
Speaker 1: her a nerdy girl, but she's like a super hot
Speaker 1: girl sunning. Yeah, it's like the Rachel Lee Cook effect.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, guys, nice trying to see that she's
Speaker 1: doing to um. All right, what else did we miss?
Speaker 1: That's it? Uh, the government letting pedestrians wander through the
Speaker 1: training the military crew. That was clearly no one in
Speaker 1: our writer's room had ever been pregnant or dealt with
Speaker 1: the pregnancy before, because they have no idea what hormones are. Um,
Speaker 1: they have never been on a military base or like
Speaker 1: not on a military base like seeded up front. You know,
Speaker 1: they just they were just making it up at this point.
Speaker 1: That was so funny, Like that was so funny. Sophie
Speaker 1: and I were cracking up the idea that a pedestrian
Speaker 1: could just walk up to a marine base and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just looking for Derek. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: over there, no problem. And then the card gate just
Speaker 1: goes up to a ride in my hum Vy into training,
Speaker 1: going to give you a ride here. We were at war.
Speaker 1: We were at war when this episode aired. We were
Speaker 1: and that's right. I mean, we were literally training to
Speaker 1: send these boys to war. It was serious and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that idea that like. And then they're giving Billy Idol
Speaker 1: a ride onto their base and then you come later exactly,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, just a little walk and talk with
Speaker 1: the crazy what Joy and Hill. We were dying laughing
Speaker 1: before you hopped on, because you know, it cuts to
Speaker 1: Ernest leading everyone through a run, and then it just
Speaker 1: turns and there's some guy and Chad in the hummer
Speaker 1: driving through the training exercises and we were so aghast
Speaker 1: that that would never happen. I didn't even say, but
Speaker 1: I wrote down I go, and they tore up the
Speaker 1: grass like, oh my god, like the car literally like
Speaker 1: left hire trucks gonna get this. We're going to just
Speaker 1: send on a helicopter next time. Don't worry. That's what
Speaker 1: I want to see, guys. I don't know. There were
Speaker 1: some real ridiculous things. I'm going to go out on
Speaker 1: the fact that the River Court boys were the sweetest
Speaker 1: And let's end on a high note and take a
Speaker 1: fan question. Yes this one, okay, I'm gonna ask you, guys.
Speaker 1: It's from Carrie. She says, what do you think the
Speaker 1: origin story of Peyton and Brooks friendship is the show
Speaker 1: never actually told us how they became friends. Whoa how
Speaker 1: is what did happen? Well, there's mention of us having
Speaker 1: been friends since we were little. Remember I thought Peyton's
Speaker 1: mom died when she was like eight or nine, and
Speaker 1: so I know that we were friends before that, before that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Peyton talks about you tell that story. I don't
Speaker 1: remember if it's this season or last season, about how
Speaker 1: when your mom died, I just never left and we
Speaker 1: talked about the winter and like the Igloo when Igloo story. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I mean they've been friends since elementary school
Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, I mean eight or nine is like
Speaker 1: third fourth grade. So if they were already best friends
Speaker 1: before that, these are preschool buddies. These are just like
Speaker 1: and my kid has those, Like Goss is friends with
Speaker 1: the same kids that he's been friends with since he
Speaker 1: was three, and every once in a while, like you
Speaker 1: pick up a new person. But I can totally see
Speaker 1: them as like the two alpha chicks in the preschool classroom.
Speaker 1: That are because personalities are strong at that. I just
Speaker 1: dropped George off. That's why I was late, because I
Speaker 1: dropped George off at preschool, and I'm just like, please
Speaker 1: just be like a sweetheart, don't be loving and inclusive.
Speaker 1: Um yea, but yeah, I think preschool. You're still friends
Speaker 1: with kids that she went to preschool with. Yes, wait
Speaker 1: no kindergarten. Kindergarten. Yeah, but the same difference. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: has one particularly one really good friend who she still
Speaker 1: want to kindergarten with. Yeah, so sweet. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: totally buy these two, you know, being friends from preschool.
Speaker 1: And it's actually really interesting to think at that moment,
Speaker 1: like Victoria and Peyton's mom wouldn't known each other. Oh
Speaker 1: wild right, that's pretty cool. We never find out anything
Speaker 1: about Peyton's mom. She makes one comment to Ellie like
Speaker 1: I got my art from my mom. But I just
Speaker 1: imagine these two little girls like and Peyton letting Brooke
Speaker 1: do whatever she wants to her, like I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: these markers and put makeup on you, and Peyton's like okay,
Speaker 1: Like what I mean? That's the energy that I see
Speaker 1: preschool Payton brop Hey, I'm gonna cut bangs, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I also like the idea that little
Speaker 1: baby artist Peyton was probably giving us both like temporary
Speaker 1: tattoos with with our Pentel marker sets. Listen. I have
Speaker 1: a picture of Gus at that age where he has
Speaker 1: drawn what he thinks look like robot parts on his chest.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like robot parts. It looks totally inappropriate.
Speaker 1: But at that age, you're giving yourself tattoos and you're like,
Speaker 1: I look so cool. Um, yeah, you give me the makeup.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the tattoos. Yeah, I need those photos.
Speaker 1: Those are fun? Do it? Most likely to do? This
Speaker 1: is good? This is good? Who's most likely to get
Speaker 1: rid of their smartphone and go back to a flip phone? Slash? BlackBerry? Girl?
Speaker 1: That BlackBerry was a love, that BlackBerry. It was. You
Speaker 1: had to pry that out of my cold dead hands.
Speaker 1: I was never going to give that thing up. I
Speaker 1: still have mine. What you guys, I have a box
Speaker 1: hold like I have it, but is yours. I gave
Speaker 1: it to Gusts to use as a prop and movies
Speaker 1: that he makes. I'm just gonna say that I had
Speaker 1: the newest model of the iPhone, and as soon as
Speaker 1: the smallest version that you could get, like the fits
Speaker 1: in the palm of your hand came out I went
Speaker 1: back to it. It's like the smallest, dumbest version, But
Speaker 1: I love it because it's not invading my life in
Speaker 1: the same way as that giant It was like a computer,
Speaker 1: and you're a giant computer screen in your hand. Every day.
Speaker 1: You can't sit down, you can't fit in any of
Speaker 1: your purses. It breaks. Are you going to do this?
Speaker 1: Just shrunk right now. I have literally been thinking about
Speaker 1: going back. So first I found my old BlackBerry, and
Speaker 1: then I found not one but to These are the razors.
Speaker 1: These are the Motorola raisers. And I want this to
Speaker 1: be my cell phone again. Yeah, so bad. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: idea that no one can just blow up your phone
Speaker 1: with text messages. How a relief that would be. And
Speaker 1: when you were on the phone you'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I love you buy yeah. Oh the feeling of that.
Speaker 1: I want it. Yeah, I have a box of old
Speaker 1: text piece of mind. If you're going to check your
Speaker 1: Instagram or your Twitter, you have to get on your computer,
Speaker 1: and like, this is the time you were choosing to
Speaker 1: do this instead of just having it in your pocket.
Speaker 1: The idea that I could have a phone that flips
Speaker 1: open and close and the only text I can send
Speaker 1: are like smiley faces, and I have to really type
Speaker 1: out the numbers, like gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, send me
Speaker 1: voice text all day long, send leave me voice messages
Speaker 1: I do not want to read. If I could get
Speaker 1: the sidekick again, the T mobile side that was my
Speaker 1: favorite device of all time. Oh flipped up on the side, Hilary,
Speaker 1: You and I have like visceral core memories of being
Speaker 1: in the makeup trailer at like five am and both
Speaker 1: of us being like hey, hey, like and we would
Speaker 1: just be typing in our little sidekicks. It was like
Speaker 1: having a typewriter in your fist and loved it all right. Well,
Speaker 1: then I think the answer to that wheel is all
Speaker 1: of us, because God, how do we get that endorsement deal?
Speaker 1: Like do we come out with a drama Queen's flip phone? Really,
Speaker 1: what I want is for this to be my cell phone,
Speaker 1: and then I want, like I wanted the device to
Speaker 1: essentially split where I only talk on the phone on this.
Speaker 1: But if I want to do like texts, emails, whatever
Speaker 1: on an iPhone that like I need longer form for
Speaker 1: I can. I don't know how to do that. Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody who's listening, knows how to how to do a
Speaker 1: little call forwarding or something. Yeah, you do the iPad,
Speaker 1: just do it all then iPad. So it's like a
Speaker 1: big thing that, like Joy. To Joy's point, you're forced,
Speaker 1: yes to get in there. I like that. I'm down
Speaker 1: Clophone city, man, it's happening here alright. Next episode, Season four,
Speaker 1: episode seven, all these things that I've done. Oh that
Speaker 1: sounds dark. Yeah, danger, I'm excited. See you next week. Hey,
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