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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstar,

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Speaker 1: that's Karen Kilgariff.

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Speaker 2: This is our five hundred episode.

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Speaker 1: That's so bananas I can't even come to grips with it.

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Speaker 2: It is. It feels like five and it feels like

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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand?

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Speaker 1: Does boa?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think we'd get to this number when

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Speaker 1: we start, when we were making single digit puns back

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Speaker 1: in my old apartment in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Taking so much time to name these shows? Really a

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Speaker 2: couple days worth of wait, wait I thought of one,

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Speaker 2: here's a better one. Yeah, yeah, no, it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: It is cheers, Hey, cheers, h five hundred, great job.

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Speaker 2: And that's it and goodbye.

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Speaker 1: And that's the last.

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Speaker 2: And then we're both raptured.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I'm a jew.

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Speaker 2: Wait, don't take me wait wait, no, no, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to go there. I want to go to the world. Please,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Do they have any that's a different kind of rapture,

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Speaker 2: the Guinness rapture?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? God?

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Speaker 2: Nothing? I mean, we had incredible shows in Boston, very

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Speaker 2: tie tie, two shows in one night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the time this episode goes up, will have

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Speaker 1: been in Salt Lake City and then tonight will be

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Speaker 1: in Oakland. Wow, which is exhausting to just think about

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Speaker 1: the future. Hopefully you guys are enjoying the shows. Go

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Speaker 1: to my favorite murder dot com, slash Live to get

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Speaker 1: your tickets.

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Speaker 2: And thank you Boston for just a delightful, power packed

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Speaker 2: evening of all kinds of things. I mean, everything happened

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Speaker 2: in those two shows speaking.

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Speaker 1: I have a movie recommendation because it made me cry,

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Speaker 1: which I don't do. Yes, you do, you start out,

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Speaker 1: I know once in a while, I like, there's certain things,

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Speaker 1: but I really need those those good cries. And there's

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Speaker 1: this thing that all my girlfriends talk about and agree upon,

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Speaker 1: which is that when you're on a plane, you cry

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Speaker 1: harder at movies and it's a good cry, and airplane

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Speaker 1: movie cries are the best cries. And I've fucking never

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Speaker 1: ever had one, and I've always been like that sounds

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Speaker 1: until we were on our way home yesterday from Boston

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Speaker 1: and I found myself sobbing in my seat from a

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Speaker 1: movie that I think you're a love. I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: love this movie. It's a British fucking epic World War

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Speaker 1: two love story Atonement so good. Oh my fucking gouy.

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Speaker 2: The typing Keys soundtrack as she runs around that.

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Speaker 1: Everything about that, Yes, and until the end. I have

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Speaker 1: a video of it. I'm gonna make a video. I

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Speaker 1: just was sobbing in my seat.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you have video of yourself sobbing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was so good it felt. I was like, finally,

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Speaker 2: Got to get to you the place where you do it,

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Speaker 2: and then you it's not content.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it be content? Why wouldn't it be content?

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it Why wouldn't everything be content?

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Speaker 2: Look around, so can you do a little reenactment of what?

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Speaker 2: So you start to cry, Oh, this is really sad,

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Speaker 1: I felt like, oh my god, I have emotions. It's

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Speaker 2: They're in there. Yeah, they're in there.

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Speaker 1: So either things are going really well and I'm like

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Speaker 2: Either way, the rapture's coming. I mean, I when I

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Speaker 2: learned that it's very good to cry because it is

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Speaker 2: one of the ways the body releases CORDI is all

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Speaker 2: because I always had like not as much shut down feelings.

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Speaker 2: It was more like you're not allowed to do this

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Or it's almost like

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Speaker 1: and everyone else is yeah, stop it.

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Speaker 2: But then like learning that where it's like no, no,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are times and I'm like, I know that

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Speaker 1: so much better in twenty minutes. But I can't do it,

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, you gotta. I don't think that's the way

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Speaker 2: It's all easy to say and hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Atonement, the movie Atonement, it's like twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I think. Oh, Kieran Knightley and what's his adorable face

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Speaker 1: from James mac snackavoy mack.

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Speaker 2: Of voice, Oh my god, this is the greatest.

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Speaker 1: And Sarosi, how do you say.

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Speaker 2: It's the liver? How do you say to do Sarsha, Sirsha, sirraharmone,

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Speaker 2: thank you?

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Speaker 1: And fucking little what's her face? From the fucking the

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Speaker 1: Football Kieran Knightley, No, Juno Temple, Yes, thank you, Juno Temple.

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Speaker 2: Oh from I almost just said, ed Hardy. This is

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Speaker 2: the saddest conversation we've ever had. This is the five

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Speaker 2: hundredth conver No, no, no, it's good. Okay, it's good.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly our kind of podcast.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, great, great.

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Speaker 2: You can't We were basically up for forty eight hours straight.

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Speaker 2: So this is the result. This is what podcasting looks

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Speaker 1: It like they'll overdo it when you commit too much,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a recommendation for your next

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Speaker 2: crying movie. Great because it's a.

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Speaker 1: Cry everyone give me airplane crying movies, Karen, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Okay this movie. First of all, I was about to

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Speaker 2: say Atonement again. This movie stars Alan Rickman and Juliette Stevenson.

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Speaker 2: British movie. Very art housey, but an amazing director. It

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. With Atonement, I was like, this is

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Speaker 1: movie Atonement, I highly recommend the author Kate Morton. She

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Speaker 1: does very similar style that World War Two, like epic

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Speaker 2: And I think you're so right. Those war scenes in

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Speaker 2: Molly, please correct me when I'm wrong, But I'm almost

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Speaker 2: positive that it's the same director as Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong about that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: God damn it, same hundred episodes. The first time you're

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Speaker 2: Joe Wright directed Pride and Prejudice?

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Speaker 1: The new one? Anthony Mengela directed truly, madly, deeply.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, but an.

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Speaker 1: Wait, okay, you might not be held.

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Speaker 2: On Oh my god, second chance Okay.

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Speaker 2: Oh my hundred. It feels so great.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel here? Congratulations so much?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I guess the first I'd like to

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. But Anthony, it's because when I

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Speaker 2: the English patient.

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Speaker 1: Oh, such a good book. So the book. Of course

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Speaker 2: It feels like it probably fits Jesus. Yeah, there's three

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Speaker 1: who this this woman is who's waving her whole box.

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Speaker 1: She must also be my friend who loves that fucking podcast.

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Speaker 1: This must be another person who loves that podcast.

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Speaker 2: Or loves Bigfoot or Bigfoot loves.

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Speaker 1: But she finally did it, Dawn. I think. I think

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Speaker 1: at the end, well, if you have an sscjam sticker

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Speaker 1: Right because now he knows like, oh, I can't let

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Speaker 2: He tells police that he didn't report it then because

436
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: he was afraid of becoming a suspect. Investigators smell a

437
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: rat and finally John Ackwright is on their radar, but

438
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: they don't have any hard evidence, so they have to

439
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: let him go. Twelve years go by, and now it's

440
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety and the investigators assigned to the K Turner case,

441
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: get a call from the Lynn County District Attorney, So

442
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 2: to give you a sense of location, to get to

443
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: Lynn County from Camp Sherman, where k was last seen,

444
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: and it's an hour's drive west on Highway twenty. Lynn

445
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: County is also where Marlene lives and sisters. Oregon is

446
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: in nearby Dushoots County. So all of these areas are

447
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: in the same general swath of Oregon, and they're all

448
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: connected by Highway twenty. So when the DA asks investigators

449
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 2: if they've heard of a Lynn County resident named John

450
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: Arthur Ackroyd, of course they say they have. The DA

451
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: then explains that John's stepdaughter, thirteen year old Rashonda Pickle,

452
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: has just been reported missing. Rashonda is a young girl.

453
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: She's playful, she's silly, she loves animals. She's very close

454
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: with her big brother, Byron, who's a year older than her.

455
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: Rashonda's mother, Linda describes her as quote wonderful and ads

456
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: quote you couldn't ask for anything sweeter. But life is

457
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: not safe at home for Rashonda because in the mid eighties,

458
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: her mom marries John Ackroyd, believing that he's a good

459
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: Man that she's providing stability for herself and her children. Instead,

460
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: John reveals himself almost immediately as violent and abusive, particularly

461
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: towards his step children. Rashonda's in the fifth grade, she

462
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: starts showing up to school with clear signs of physical abuse.

463
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: She'll then confide to her friends that her stepfather is

464
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: also sexually abusing her. Rashonda tries to stay with relatives

465
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: or friends as much as she can. She's in fifth grade.

466
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's just heartbreaking. So she doesn't have to

467
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: live under the same roof as him, and she does

468
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: everything she can to avoid being alone with him. She

469
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: and Byron lean on each other during this time. They

470
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: just focus on turning eighteen, when they can finally escape

471
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: his abuse and his household once and for all. In

472
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: July of nineteen ninety, Rashonda finally tells her biological father

473
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: about this abuse she's been suffering at the hands of John,

474
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: and the biological father lives in a different part of Oregon,

475
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: so he calls the mother, Linda and threatens to get

476
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: the police involved. The next day, Rareshonda vanishes, so the

477
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: police learn that John was alone with Rashonda the day

478
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: she vanished, which was frightening, knowing how desperately Rashonda tried

479
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: to avoid ever being alone with him. But her mom

480
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: was at work, her brother was out of town visiting

481
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 2: their father. John was supposed to be fixing a snowplow

482
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: at his job. He'll later tell police that he'd taken

483
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: the day off because he was waiting for parts to

484
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: come in, but according to Noel Crombie's reporting from The Oregonian,

485
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: that made no sense to his supervisors because John had

486
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: a lot of other work he could have been doing

487
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: that day. John claims that he invited Rashanda out into

488
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: the woods to take pictures of deer. This is a

489
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: claim that baffles everyone in the family because he's never

490
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: shown an interest in wildlife photography. According to him, Rashonda

491
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: turned down his offer and stayed behind at the house,

492
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: and when he returned later that day after going to

493
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: take pictures of deer by himself, she was gone. Of course,

494
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: there's a ton of immediate suspicion around John, and while

495
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: under interrogation, the mask begins to slip. He offers up

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: a bizarre theory about a stranger coming to the door

497
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: and abducting Rashonda. Saying almost casually, quote, eighty seven pounds

498
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: is nothing for somebody to carry. You hit him over

499
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: the head and they have no fight.

500
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how fucking chilling. Yeah. Like to be

501
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: in that interrogation room and hear that.

502
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just knowing it's like, that's the thing that

503
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: I think is amazing because psychopaths work very hard to

504
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: be smart, but they always think they're the smartest people

505
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: in the room. And it's that when you watch you know,

506
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: any true crime show, you see what bad liars they are.

507
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, not even that liars, Like they think too that

508
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: like this the person they're telling this thing that you know,

509
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: they think is totally normal to but like to hear that,

510
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: like you're not a psychopath, hearing that is fucking chilling.

511
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: It's chilling. And then also if you're not that person

512
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: talking like and you clearly this is you're saying one thing, yeah,

513
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: but what's actually coming through is, oh my god, you

514
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: know how much she weighs. You've picked her up, like

515
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: you know how to You're giving yourself away and you

516
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: don't realize it. The red flag of him knowing his

517
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: stepdaughter's exact body weight is raised even higher when John

518
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: tells investigators, unprompted that on the night Rashonda disappeared, he

519
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 2: and Linda had great sex.

520
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

521
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: As Noel Crombie reports, this is quote significant because they

522
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: almost never had sex. Akroyd's lo libido was the source

523
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: of such open conflict that Linda's teenage son Byron knew

524
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: of their trouble. Oh not healthy, not okay, No. Most

525
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: disturbing though, John seems fixated on describing his stepdaughter's body

526
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: in sexualized terms to the fucking police.

527
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: He's so.

528
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't control it. No, he even tells officers her

529
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: exact bras eyes at one point, and when he's eventually

530
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: shown a pair of pants that police find in the

531
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: woods and believe our reshondas he becomes sexually aroused in

532
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: front of them, are.

533
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: You fucking kidding me? Yeah?

534
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: Just a complete animal like this, that's the most wow. Yeah, yeah,

535
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: now I never heard that. Well, we're gonna take a

536
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: little break.

537
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: And everyone has to wash her fucking hand leech bath.

538
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: But again, the evidence against John Ackroyd is entirely circumstantial,

539
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: so they have to let them go.

540
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the police are.

541
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: Doing everything they can to build the strongest case they

542
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: can against him, not only in Rashanda's case, but in Kay's,

543
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: which is now picking up steam after being cold for

544
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: several years. And that's because investigators on Ky's case are

545
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: going back through the case file and they are looking

546
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: for new avenues to explore, and when they do that,

547
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: they find the name Roger dale Beck. Now, Roger was

548
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: close friends with John Ackroyd, and he claimed to be

549
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: with him the day that Kaye was reported missing, and

550
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: Roger's then wife Pam provided their alibi for that morning,

551
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: but police never looked into Roger's potential involvement in Kay's

552
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: murder until now. So as they dig, police finally find

553
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: the lead they've been waiting for. They learn from members

554
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: of Roger's own family that, on different occasions, he'd bragged

555
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: about rape and killing a jogger back in the late seventies. Yeah,

556
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: who I mean for real.

557
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: Like, are even casually having beers with a friend or

558
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: an acquaintance and then fucking like what, oh my god,

559
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Like this is psychotic.

560
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Well, and it's also like, can we get a little

561
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: perspective here where it's like everything that people called political

562
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: correctness in like the nineties was trying to correct shit

563
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: like this where it's like, Hey, if your bro brags

564
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: about raping and killing someonecking around, I don't know, make

565
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: a phone call.

566
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, pick up that phone. Oh no, he likes to

567
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: brag about that. He makes up strongties. He's still my

568
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: very best friend. Like, what the fuck?

569
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: Insane? So when investigators try to reconfirm Roger and John's

570
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: alibi for the day k went missing, Roger's now ex

571
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: wife Pam completely falls apart and tells them she lied

572
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: both meant had actually come home covered in blood on

573
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve nineteen seventy eight. Roger made her burn his clothes,

574
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: destroy his brand new boots, and threatened her into covering

575
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: for him.

576
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was terrifying. Yeah, like the terror of

577
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: that and then what are you gonna, yeah do stand up.

578
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: Right, He'll know it was you, right, I mean the

579
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: just so. Now it's May nineteen ninety two. This is

580
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: two years after Rashaanda goes missing. She still hasn't been found,

581
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: but investigators working Kay Turner's disappearance have managed to put

582
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: together a really strong case, and there is a sense

583
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: that John Ackroyd could be charged at any moment. But

584
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: before the authorities can close in two more young women

585
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: from the same area in Oregon go missing. They are

586
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: seventeen year old Melissa Sanders from Sweet Home, Oregon, and

587
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: nineteen year old Sheila Swanson of Lebanon So. Melissa and

588
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Sheila disappeared during a family camping trip with the Sanders

589
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: family to the Oregon Coast town of Newport. They're together,

590
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: mm hmm, and the family was there too. The girls

591
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: share a tent that night, but early the next morning,

592
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: when Melissa's family wakes up, they find both girls are gone.

593
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: At first, their families think they hitchhiked home, because Malitia

594
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: and Sheila did sometimes spend days away from their families

595
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: in their late teens, and they'd actually even called their

596
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: respective boyfriends to tell them they were going to leave

597
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: the family camping trip. But when days pass with no

598
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: sign of either of them, they're reported missing. Weeks later.

599
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: In June of nineteen ninety two, John Arthur Ackroyd is

600
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: finally arrested for the murder of Kay Turner. Roger dale Beck,

601
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: has presumed accomplice in Kay's murder, is also arrested. This

602
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: is fourteen years after Kay went missing from Camp Sherman

603
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: back in nineteen seventy eight and fifteen years since John's

604
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: first known act of sexual violence against women, which was

605
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: when Marlene was sexually assaulted in seventy seven.

606
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I imagine like being their families or Marlene in this case,

607
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: and waiting that long to even have movement in your

608
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: like I.

609
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 2: Just but also waiting that long knowing that this monster

610
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: is just walking around, which is such a cliche, but

611
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: when you think about the fact of it, where it's.

612
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's it's not like an we don't know

613
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: who it is, we haven't found a suspect yet. It's

614
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: like that it is clearly to everyone this fucking person.

615
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: It's this person and his fucking friend. Yeah, Like it's horrifying.

616
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: So right out of the gate. What police wondered that

617
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: if John knew he was about to get arrested and

618
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: decided to kill more women while he still had the chance,

619
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: But when he's pressed about Melissa and Sheila's disappearances, he

620
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: doesn't admit anything. Several months later, in October of nineteen

621
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: ninety two, hunters find Melissa and Sheila's bodies in the

622
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: woods outside Eddieville, Oregon, off Highway twenty, about twenty miles

623
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: from the campsite in Newport where the girls were at

624
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: the scene, police discover a rivet, which is something a

625
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: mechanic might have, but they don't have much else to

626
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: go on. Eventually, Melissa and Sheila's case goes cold, so

627
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: the year after John's arrest in nineteen ninety three, He's

628
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: tried for the murder of Kay Turner. The case against

629
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: him is largely circumstantial, but prosecutors lean into a few

630
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: key pieces of evidence. Kay's TIMEX watched, her clothes and

631
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: her skeletal remains. So the watch is important because it

632
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: stopped ticking the morning she disappeared, and it's presumed it

633
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: stopped working at the time of the attack it was broken.

634
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: This gives police a pretty strong sense of the exact

635
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: time she was killed, which that time frame dovetails with

636
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: when John told police he had spoken with her, he

637
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: told them.

638
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: That, yeah, didn't he find her body too, like.

639
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: He claims to have you. Right on top of that,

640
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: forensic testing shows that Kay's clothes had been cut off,

641
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: which calls back to them o of Marlene Gabrielson's assault.

642
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: Which they didn't fucking believe happened.

643
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: So much suffering mm hmm. With that kind just because

644
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: of an ego move like tyle.

645
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: But don't worry, it's just women who are suffering.

646
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: They just yeah, that's right. So prosecutors also have John's

647
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: own words, which are damning in and of themselves. Because

648
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: John did tell police he found Kay's body two months

649
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: after she was killed, he thought she looked like she'd

650
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: been slashed and shot. In the prosecution Hammer's home, that

651
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: he could not have known these things, given how badly

652
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: the body had been decomposed, unless he was the man

653
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: that killed her. The jury deliberates for four hours and

654
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: comes back and convicts John Ackroyd on two counts of

655
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: aggravated murder and three counts of murder. His accomplice, Roger

656
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: dale Beck, is also convicted. Again, this is one conviction

657
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: when John Ackroyd is suspected of many crimes against women.

658
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: Still it's a huge victory for the investigators who work

659
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: to get him off the streets. One of those investigators

660
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: is a man named Bill Hamlin, who championed Kay's case

661
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: and is arguably the man who secured John Ackroyd's conviction,

662
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: and he will later tell the Oregonian quote it saved

663
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: women's lives if he had stayed out. If he had

664
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: never been convicted, he and maybe Beck would have done

665
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: more crimes and killed more women. For sure, he managed

666
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: to get through that whole thing without ever getting caught,

667
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: not because he was all that smart, but because he

668
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: slipped through end quote. Here's my edit to that line,

669
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: but because the police didn't do their jobs. Fast forward

670
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: to twenty ten. At this point, John has served nearly

671
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: two decades in prison and he's eligible for parole soon,

672
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: I mean twenty years. So because of that detective's dig

673
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: back into Rashonda's disappearance with renewed vigor, they're hoping they

674
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: can create a strong enough case to bring charges and

675
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: ensure John stays in prison for the rest of his life.

676
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: But when they press him for information on Rashonda, he

677
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: doesn't give anything up. Meanwhile, cold case investigators are also

678
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: looking at the nineteen ninety two double murder of Melissa

679
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: Sanderson Sheila Swanson, and in twenty twelve they pieced together

680
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: information that had inexplicably gone overlooked in the nineties, probably

681
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: because of sloppy police work. They learn that John Ackroyd

682
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: was a regular at a twenty four hour restaurant called Sherry's,

683
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: which was frequented by local teens, and he had earned

684
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: the nickname the Perv because of how creepy he was

685
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: about all those teenage patrons of Sherry's restaurant. Among those

686
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: patrons were Melissa and Sheila, who John had been seen

687
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: interacting with at the restaurant. So witnesses come forward and

688
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: tell police that they saw two teens hitchhiking and entering

689
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: a state truck that matched the description of John's work vehicles,

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: and the rivet found near the scene is determined to

691
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: match the kind commonly carried by the highway workers. Most damningly,

692
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: one of John's coworkers will later report seeing John covered

693
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: in blood around the exact time the girls go missing.

694
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: At first, his coworker dismissed it because John said he

695
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: hid a deer with his truck and got bloody clearing

696
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: out the remains, so the whole incident goes unreported. But

697
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: John never admits to any involvement in Melissa in Sheila's deaths,

698
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: and because of that, there's still a lot we don't

699
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: know about what happened to them. But the theory is

700
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: that after talking with them at Sherry's, John knew the

701
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: girls were camping at the coast that weekend and probably

702
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: lied and say he'd be in the area. If they

703
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: wanted to get a ride home from him, they could

704
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: just let him know, and clearly they took him up

705
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: on that offer. As investigators continue working Melissa and Sheila's case,

706
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: there's a movement in Rashonda's case. In twenty thirteen, twenty

707
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: three years after she was last seen alive, John Ackroyd

708
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: pleads no contest to Rashonda Pickles murder. This means that

709
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: he neither admits nor denies having anything to do with

710
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: her death, and in exchange for this no contest plea,

711
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: which effectively closes Rashonda's case, he agrees to never pursue

712
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: being paroled.

713
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Wow, my good literal deal with the devil.

714
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the plea is sealed for a long time, so

715
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: we still don't know the details on why he does this,

716
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: but it means he'll live the rest of his life

717
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: behind bars.

718
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: It just feels so like this little girl was not

719
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: important enough to pursue justice. It's like, let's use this

720
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: as a throwaway bargaining chip, but unfortunately it's the best possible. Well, yeah,

721
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: because everything's been so fucked. It's the best possible you

722
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: know resolution.

723
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's a bargaining chip, but it's not

724
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: a throwaway because it actually works, right, So there is that.

725
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: But yes, the idea that he is not in some

726
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: way forced to tell that.

727
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Where where her body is? Yes, what he did to her.

728
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the answers for both Melissa and Sheila just don't

729
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: have to be given.

730
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: And they've just been completely discarded by society. Yeah, it's

731
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: just horrifying.

732
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: It feels like that whole metric needs to be readjusted

733
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: to not like, what do we do just to keep

734
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: them behind bars, because like we have to do whatever

735
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: it takes, and it's like, no, just do whatever it

736
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: takes to actually get the information out of him. Just

737
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: a few years later, in December twenty sixteen, John Arthur

738
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: Ackroyd dies in prison at age sixty seven, taking many secrets,

739
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: you know, presumably including the location of his own stepdaughter's

740
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: body to the grave. So today, investigators suspect that John

741
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Arthur Ackroyd might be behind other on soolt cases in Oregon,

742
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: many of which involved remains found near Highway twenty. This

743
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: includes the nineteen seventy six cold case involving a victim

744
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: found near the Highway who was only known at the

745
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: time as Swamp Mountain Jane Doe for decades because where

746
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: she was found. Just days before this recording, in September

747
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, police have announced genetic genealogy has

748
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: now identified this person as Marian McCord. Holy shit, so

749
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: they just figured out who this Jane Doe was.

750
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, chills.

751
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So for the families of his victims, the

752
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: wounds will never heal. Rashonda Pickle's beloved brother, Byron never

753
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: stop fighting for justice for his little sister. He keeps

754
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: her memory alive by telling his children about Aunt Janny,

755
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: which was her nickname, and he has a tattoo of

756
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: her on his arm. Sheila's brother, Bart Swanson has also

757
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: been her biggest advocate over the years, helping to keep

758
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: interest in her case alive, and he tells The Oregonian

759
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: they'd be sometimes it's the location where her body was found, saying, quote,

760
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: I go up there to, you know, pretty much remind

761
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: myself that I still haven't let it go, and to

762
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: let her know that I haven't let it go. Marlene

763
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Gabrielson has had to live with the trauma of being

764
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted and not being believed by the people who

765
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: were supposed to fight for her after her attack, She

766
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: tells the Orgonian quote, I figured it was because I

767
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: was nothing. I wasn't ever going to amount to anything.

768
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: I was brown and I was ugly, So you know

769
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: you're not going to amount to anything you don't think

770
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: you are. I think that's why I cowered so much

771
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: back then. My first thought when I read that message,

772
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: and she means from Noel Crombie's the reporter that reached

773
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: out to her, was why would she care? Because that's

774
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: the whole mindset that I've had about this thing from

775
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: the gate. But that's what made me come because there

776
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: was somebody who actually cared. This makes me feel really

777
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: good because there's a reason I am here, and I

778
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: guess I am not that ugly and I'm not worthless.

779
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm Marlene K. Gabrielson. I'm in New piac I'm a

780
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: strong woman. Oh fucking And that's the story of the

781
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: investigation into John Arthur Ackroyd and those cases linked to

782
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: Highway twenty.

783
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: It's these when everyone is just in the media like

784
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: why do women love true crime so much. It's so

785
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: like what's wrong with you that you're interested in? And

786
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: it's like, because this is how little we have mattered

787
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: for so fucking long. If you think it's that different now,

788
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: then you're not paying attention.

789
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: Then please log on to any website and check out

790
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: what our bodily autonomy status is.

791
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: But also interested because we care. Can you imagine caring

792
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: that much?

793
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: But also we're interested because it's about us, And especially

794
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: like in Marlene's case, the more marginalized you are, the

795
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: more you're affected and the less people help you. So

796
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: we as white women care and get upset. But it's like,

797
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: but as you go and you're more marginalized and you're

798
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: less represented and you're less empowered, people care less and

799
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: less totally, until people literally are like, oh, you came

800
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: here to report a rape and we're going to fucking

801
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: polygraph you right.

802
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Your throwaway, Like we have to care ten times as

803
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: much because we're cared about as women ten times less.

804
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: Well, and also it's like, guess what women are fifty

805
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: percent of the fucking population if not fifty one, So

806
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: our caring is like everybody can just stop asking that question. Yeah,

807
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: you just accept the fact that women are concerned and

808
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: care and it's about themselves as much as it's about

809
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: other women, because we have to for each other, right,

810
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: that's the idea.

811
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Exactly, we're the targets. I don't want to do my

812
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: story now because it is so different from that. Wow,

813
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: great job, thank you.

814
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: What do you mean this is what we do? Have

815
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: you seen them big lit up number come on, balloon

816
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: wi gout balloons for God's sake? Okay, you know, changing

817
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: it up is what we're all about.

818
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, great job, thank you. It was an incredible story

819
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: I'd never heard before, and I'm shocked and horrified.

820
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so horrifying. I really liked you know,

821
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: our producer, Molly It suggested like just doing straight up

822
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: true crime.

823
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah for a five hundred Yeah, and just you.

824
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: Know, like a classic. And Maren did an amazing job.

825
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah that was incredible.

826
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Well mine is not just well mine

827
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: is true crime really?

828
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

829
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it is. Because we're gonna start

830
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: in Sherman Oaks or Beverly Hills, depending on who's fucking

831
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: arguing about zip codes?

832
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: Do people in Sherman Oaks think they in any way

833
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: live in Beverly Hill.

834
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: No, but there's like a weird ZIP code dispute going

835
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: on that we're not getting into.

836
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into it myself.

837
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: We're in Sherman Oaks technically, at five am on the

838
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: morning of December twentieth, two thousand and eight, number two thousand.

839
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: And eight, I do a very innocent time.

840
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, very stupid. A security guard in the gated community

841
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: of the Mullholland Estates has just realized that something is

842
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: a miss at one of the mansions in the neighborhood.

843
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: When the guard gets to the front door, he sees

844
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: that it's opened. No one appears to be in the house,

845
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: but he can tell the house has been ransacked. He

846
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: calls the police and once they arrive, he becomes clear

847
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: that burglars have taken a whopping two million dollars worth

848
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: of jewelry and watches from this estate. In today's money,

849
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: that two million dollars would be.

850
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: You said it was two thousand and eight, so that's

851
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: twenty a little less than twenty years ago.

852
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, two mill in today's money three five three. But

853
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: great job, I mean that was close. Yeah, that was great.

854
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Police look at surveillance footage which shows what appears to

855
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: be a man in a sweatshirt. You know who's the burglar?

856
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: And they say the person seems to know the house. Well.

857
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: What police do not know yet is that this burglar

858
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: is not a professional who has been casing the joint.

859
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: And also the mansion doesn't belong to just any old person.

860
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: It's Paris Hilton's home. Oh and it's been hit three

861
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: times before by this same group of burglars. The blak Karen,

862
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: that's all I was like, I can't do this now.

863
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: It's literally called the Bling Ring.

864
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: Yes, no, this is what we like. It's a we do,

865
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: hot and cold, get back and forth. Yes, the full

866
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: scope of life.

867
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: We're a fucking paradox. This group, mostly teenagers, would go

868
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: on to burglarize their homes of celebrities for close to

869
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: a year before finally being caught. This is a story

870
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: about obsession with celebrity and status, but maybe also a

871
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: story about how our teenage selves aren't necessarily the people

872
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: we are forever, but our mistakes sure are. This is

873
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: the story of the Bling Ring, The Bling Ring. Did

874
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: you ever watch the documentary about it? No?

875
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: I just watched the movie movie.

876
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay, got it? Well, the main sources for the story

877
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: is a Vanity FA article that was written by a

878
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: woman named Nancy Joe Sayals called the suspects were Louis Batons,

879
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: and that was the basis for the Sofia Coppola movie

880
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: The Bling Ring. And there's also a twenty twenty three

881
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: HBO documentary called The Ringleader, and then another documentary that

882
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: I watch called The Real Bling Ring Hollywood Heist, and

883
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: then also a short lived e reality show called Pretty Wild,

884
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: and the rest of the sources can be found in

885
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: their show notes.

886
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: This movie. When I saw it, it's like that kind

887
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: of thing where you I don't like thinking about other

888
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: people's family sometimes because I'm like it's just very Irish

889
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: Catholic for me. But I'm like, they're not doing it right.

890
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: It's not how you're supposed to do it.

891
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: Anythink like the teenagers were raised wrong or what.

892
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: Yes, Leslie Men plays this mom, and she's just.

893
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: Like, you don't have to say more about what Leslie

894
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: Man played, because I fucking know who she played on anything.

895
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: But there's a part where she's like she doesn't care

896
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: if the girls go to school. She just wants them

897
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: to work on their like affirmation manifestation or you're.

898
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Literally talking about I know who you're talking about. And

899
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of like the reality stuff

900
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: and I felt the same way about her.

901
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: You're just like get the stomach ache of like, oh no,

902
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: not it's either they don't have a chance in the

903
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: world or the world doesn't have a chance against people

904
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: like this.

905
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, it very much made me go, Wow, I'm

906
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: so glad I don't have teenage daughters. Oh like, I

907
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: just yeah, I love that Leslie manfully the moment. Okay,

908
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: he's really good, She's so good. Okay. To understand the blingering,

909
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: we really have to go back to the celebrity media

910
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: landscape of the early two thousands, because it is so

911
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: fucking different than it is now. And thank god, there's

912
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: like kind of a reckoning happening. But it was so

913
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: trashy and so awful and so insidious and so you know,

914
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: damaging to our psyche back then, yes, for sure, horrifying. Right, So, like,

915
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: at this time in the early two thousands, US magazine

916
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: goes from being a monthly industry focused magazine to being

917
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: a weekly magazine focusing squarely on celebrities. So actually Sophia

918
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Coppola cites this as the inciting incident that fomented the

919
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: culture that resulted in the robberies because of this magazine.

920
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

921
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: The magazine and most the ones that quickly copied it

922
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: was full of paparazzi photos of celebrities, some of them

923
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: actual movie stars, some of them reality stars, some people

924
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: whose names you know, but you're you're not even sure why.

925
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Like this is when Paris Hilton became famous for just

926
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: being Paris Hilton, and which you know, launched just so

927
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: many just celebrities.

928
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: Who were just they didn't really do any It wasn't

929
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 2: like they were talents. It wasn't like, oh my god,

930
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: what a great actor. Now I want to see them

931
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: at the gas station.

932
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: It's just fame, which also meant to a lot of

933
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: younger people that they could possibly do that as well. Absolutely,

934
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there was an opportunity

935
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: just to be famous for being famous.

936
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was simultaneous with like American Idol kind of

937
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: shows where literally it was just like you can, yah,

938
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: you can go stand in line out in front of

939
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: CBS and see if you can totally. I remember getting

940
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: a job in the late nineties writing those they used

941
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: to do like basically fashion police. I think it was

942
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: called fashion police, Yeah, And it was just like they

943
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: would show a picture of a celebrity with a fucked

944
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 2: up outfit on, and then there was all these commentators.

945
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I remember just tearing them apart.

946
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: And I did it. I did it like for three

947
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: different times, I think I did it, And you would

948
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: write like each celebrity picture they'd give you had to

949
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: write like five jokes, so they'd pick one from the

950
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: remember this, and the only place you could go was

951
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: mean and meaner and meaner. And I remember on the

952
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: third one, I went, what the fuck am I doing?

953
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: And then I just didn't turn it in and I

954
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: never got asked to do it again, where I was like,

955
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: this is not like, yes, it's good to have one

956
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars, but like, what the fuck is

957
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: this for?

958
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly it, because I was also going to say.

959
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: They did things like who wore it better? Yeah, where

960
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: they'd showed a photo of two women always wearing the

961
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: same outfit and then tear one of them apart and

962
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: say the other one looked amazing. Ye, you couldn't choose

963
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: both being like looking great, No, who wore it better?

964
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: There was Star without makeup, and then there was best

965
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: and Worst beach bodies. It was so toxic. It was

966
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: just it just you know, created a generation of women

967
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: with eating disorders, myself included entirely.

968
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: Again, it's the launching pad for the facebooks Hot or

969
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: Not Right world where women absolutely were primed to be like,

970
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: oh wait, I guess I either I need to figure

971
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: out if I'm hot or not and then try to

972
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: get hot so that.

973
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not or not otherwise I don't have worth,

974
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: yeah at all.

975
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: It was everything yes, and.

976
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's this frothing paparazzi culture who is just

977
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: making so much money off of this. That's what it

978
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: was like. And it's in this environment in two thousand

979
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: and six that a girl named Rachel Lee and Nick

980
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: Prugo first find each other as sophomores at Indian Hills

981
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: High School, which caters to kids who have struggled in

982
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: more traditional schools in calabasas rich juvie kids, rich kids

983
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: who can't Yeah, I mean essentially, I went to one

984
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: of those schools an Irvine, you know what I mean,

985
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: which like it was called self and it was the

986
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: like you hate school and you're not doing well and

987
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: your family doesn't force you to go to school, so

988
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: this is what you have to do now to get

989
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: to graduate. Oh so it was like the alternate school.

990
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: He was ping pong. So I'm pretty good of ping

991
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: pong now. And we went there for like a semester

992
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: and went back to regular school because I was just like,

993
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: I got it this, I have to do something with

994
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, but it was Yeah, it was all

995
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: the kids. Basically, was any kid in this affluent neighborhood

996
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: that had broken families, Like really, that's all we had

997
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: in common and became friends is because none of us

998
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: had supervision. We were neglected, We didn't have the money

999
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: that everyone else had, and so we didn't really give

1000
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: a shit about school. Yeah, and we were fucking teased there.

1001
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: We were made fun of there. We were like, I

1002
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to go there. I was out. I was

1003
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: a total outcast. Yeah, so why would I go? Instead?

1004
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: You go to self where people are actually nice.

1005
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: To you and you get to play some ping pong, some.

1006
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Fucking hardcore ping pong. Yeah, I get it. And also

1007
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I be eventually when I was like in my early twenties.

1008
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: I was a lunch lady in the valley at one

1009
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: of these schools myself for elementary through high school. And

1010
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: these are the sweetest, most wonderful kids who couldn't hack

1011
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: it in the LAUSD school system in the valley. And

1012
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you more than half of them were living

1013
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: in group homes. So it wasn't These were not bad kids,

1014
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: they just didn't have the resources that everyone else had.

1015
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're support and also it's weird because there's some

1016
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: kids who have nothing but resources, right, and it's not

1017
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: a good thing. Now.

1018
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: It's also wearing that uncrustables because the kids loved them

1019
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna try this. I lived

1020
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: off of them. Okay, So enough about me and uncrustables.

1021
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: So this girl, Rachel Lee and Nick Prugo, they meet

1022
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: each other at this school and they both have issues

1023
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: getting along with their families. Rachel had been kicked out

1024
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: of Calabasas High School for stealing something from another girl,

1025
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: and Nick was kicked out of Calabasas High School as

1026
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: well for excessive absences, which is like the fact that

1027
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: you're just like punished for that instead of like what's

1028
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: going on in his life that this that he's not

1029
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: coming to school is so horrifying to me.

1030
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, so basically there's clearly a lack of support, right, and.

1031
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: You're a child and you're being held responsible for the.

1032
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: Fact that you no one will get you to school.

1033
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: There's no follow through. Yeah, like maybe you have some

1034
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And also he had been a troubled kid.

1035
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: He had been diagnosed with ADHD, so he probably wasn't

1036
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: taking care of the way he needed to be. Yeah,

1037
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, so I just these kids, I feel for them.

1038
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: So Nick and Rachel they feel like outsiders, and then

1039
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: they meet each other and just fall immediately in friendship love.

1040
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: Nick is gay during a time when the average high

1041
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: schooler here's gay slers multiple times a day. It was

1042
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: very casual. Then Rachel's Korean and has always felt out

1043
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: of place in her majority white town, and it's at

1044
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: a time when the beauty standard is blindingly white and

1045
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: being beautiful is seen as a teenager's highest duty. So

1046
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: it's really depressing for them. They're both very into fashion

1047
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: and celebrities and the very luxury brand focused aesthetic of

1048
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: the era. You remember jusu Co tour, You had a

1049
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: whole wardrobe for my whole.

1050
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Ass was covered in that brand. But also I think

1051
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: there's you know, especially in the valley. Yeah, I mean

1052
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: that's like the valley in Beverly Hills to that's the

1053
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: center of like materialistic kind of like here's what anybody

1054
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: cares about, like what kind.

1055
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: Of car do you drive? And it's aspirational. You could

1056
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: easily become part of that world if you play your

1057
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: cards right. Yeah, you know, as Rachel will put it

1058
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: many years later, quote, I felt this insatiable energy to

1059
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: have as much as I could have. But that was

1060
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of the energy back then end quote. And so

1061
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: Rachel and Knit quickly beform a deep, all consuming friendship.

1062
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: Remember those fucking friendships in high school that were so amazing.

1063
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: They're always talking or texting or iming each other, and

1064
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: they just find this like kindred spirit in each other.

1065
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: So sometime in two thousand and seven, Nick and Rachel

1066
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: start burglarizing homes. I just I don't know why, like

1067
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: I feel for them, and I feel like, by the

1068
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: grace of God, there goes wah, you know, not burglarizing,

1069
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: just doing really fucking stupid shit in a time when

1070
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: stupid shit sticks to you permanent records exactly early nineties.

1071
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: You can't track my shit.

1072
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: But hold on, how did they get to that?

1073
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, because here's what happens, saying it's kind of brilliant.

1074
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: They find out that a classmate is going to be

1075
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: out of town with their family. It's a richest fuck family,

1076
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: and so they go there when they know no one's

1077
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: going to be home, and they break in at this

1078
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: classmate's house. They find a box with thousands of dollars

1079
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: of cash in it. It's originally reported as eight thousand dollars,

1080
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: but it gets bandied about maybe it was over twenty

1081
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. In today's money, it could have been worth

1082
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: about forty thousand dollars. But they find it and they

1083
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: take it and they go on a shopping spree on

1084
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: rodeo drive with it, and I fucking get this thing

1085
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: of like, how come everyone, I cause I used to

1086
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: shoplift when I was a kid. I will say that

1087
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: right now. You can't fucking come get me or come

1088
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: fucking get me if you want, But I wasn't. I

1089
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: was undera I used to shoplift, And it was this

1090
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: feeling of like I deserve this everyone else in my

1091
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: affluent community has everything they want. I get made fun

1092
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: of for not I fucking deserve this, which clearly isn't true.

1093
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: But I was a child, so that it made absolute

1094
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: sense to.

1095
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: Me that, like it'll solve the problem.

1096
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is how I get mine too, So

1097
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: I get that. I wrote about it in our book.

1098
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: So they do that hit, and then they take up

1099
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: this hobby that they call checking cars, and so they

1100
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: basically just walk by luxury cars in their neighborhood and

1101
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: see if the doors are unlocked. Lock your fucking doors, right,

1102
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: like as we always say. When they find one that

1103
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: is open, they plunder it for cash and credit cards

1104
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: and then go on more shopping trips with this. By

1105
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: their senior year of high school, the fall of two

1106
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, they hatch a plan to start robbing

1107
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: celebrities houses and decide they're going to art with Paris Hilton.

1108
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: Why not?

1109
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so easy for them to do this. They

1110
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: find a subscription based website that lists celebrity home addresses

1111
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: on it, and then they go to Google Earth to

1112
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of map out the house like see roots to

1113
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: get into the house, and then they go on social

1114
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: media and like TMZ and see the celebrity themselves saying

1115
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm in Abiza, I'm in New York filming this thing.

1116
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out tonight at this fucking bar. And

1117
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: so they just know when the celebrity is going to

1118
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: be out of town, they know where they live, they

1119
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: know how to get in.

1120
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can track it all, Thank yous magazine.

1121
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's creepily easy for them to do this.

1122
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: See innocent days of the early Internet.

1123
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: Right. So they study TMZ and Paris Hilton social media

1124
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: and know she's going to be out of town for

1125
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: a few days in October. They look at her gated

1126
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: community on Google Earth and they find a hill in

1127
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: the back of the house where they think they can

1128
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: get onto the property without being noticed, and it works.

1129
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: When they approach the front door of Paris's eight thousand

1130
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: square foot Mediterranean style man, they find a key under

1131
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: the mat. That's how safe she feels in her community.

1132
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: Also, she doesn't have a house sitter. I know, I know,

1133
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: just a richy rich person that doesn't just have someone there.

1134
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they think about it then.

1135
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: I guess they didn't. They do now they didn't have to.

1136
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: When we go out of town at all for touring.

1137
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: My friend stays at our house, not just cause we

1138
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: have pets, but because I don't want to lead a

1139
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: home completely unattended. There's never not someone at my house.

1140
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get it, we get it. No one can

1141
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: rob you.

1142
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: They find a key under the mat and they let

1143
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: themselves in. On this first visit, they kind of just

1144
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: explore her house. They go into the night club room,

1145
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: like this is a very wealthy woman. Then they do

1146
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: they do this is brilliant, not brilliant. They do this

1147
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: very smart thing where they fish through all of her

1148
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: purses because she has hundreds of beautiful purses and she

1149
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: goes out all the time, and so there's just crumpled

1150
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: bills in every purse from all her nights out.

1151
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: That's really smart.

1152
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: Hundreds and huns and fifties that they just she just

1153
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: crams back in her purse, puts her purse back on.

1154
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: Eventually she'll grab it again, and you know, like she

1155
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: doesn't care that there are all these waded up dollars.

1156
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: She is literally filthy rich exactly.

1157
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: So they take all of those, they say, they take

1158
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: a lot of coke, like they find you know, baggies

1159
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: of coke in the purses, but we're like, we don't

1160
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: let's allegedly, we don't want Paris Hilton, who's the victim

1161
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: of this crime. We don't want to be like saying

1162
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: that she's a fucking coke head. Seems like they were

1163
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: careful to make it not totally obvious that someone had

1164
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: been there, Like so she I don't know if she

1165
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: knew at first.

1166
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: She has a nightclub room exactly exactly.

1167
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: So they take little things like a bottle of grey

1168
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: Goose on the way out, that sort of thing. They

1169
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: return to Paris's house two more times that fall, and

1170
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: they also start bringing some of their other friends and

1171
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: associates into the scheme, which is a bad idea. Say yeah,

1172
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: it feels a little less like a scheme though, and

1173
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: more like the way teens like to break into abandoned buildings.

1174
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Are just kind of trying their luck in a way,

1175
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: and they're so unaware of the consequences that you're stupid

1176
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: fucking actions as a teenager will bring.

1177
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: Especially when what's really taking up most of your attention

1178
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: is can I get a Chanelle purse? Can I get

1179
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: a label? Fill in the blank blank?

1180
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not good enough unless I have those things.

1181
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1182
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Part of this includes stealing many thousands of dollars

1183
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: worth of clothing and jewelry for them to wear like

1184
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: they just want to dress the part. In the expanded group,

1185
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: there are some other kids from their school, some friends

1186
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: of friends. It kind of becomes this unorganized group of

1187
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: people who are all doing this together. And there are

1188
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: a couple older adults though. This includes a man named

1189
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: Roy Lopez Junior, whom one of the group knows from

1190
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: her job at a restaurant, and a man named Johnny

1191
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: Ajar who goes by your favorite name ever, Johnny Dangerous,

1192
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: Johnny Dangerous. You have the first part right, well, yeah,

1193
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: well because his name is joy Johnny Dangerous.

1194
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous. Yes, And what's Johnny Dangerous's deal?

1195
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: You're going to be shocked to hear this? Okay, he's

1196
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: a Hollywood promoter. What I don't think any everyone who

1197
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: doesn't live in LA knows like promoters. Hollywood nightclub promoters,

1198
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: especially back in the early two thousands and like late nineties,

1199
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: were just this like breed of dude tooth pictus. Oh,

1200
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: they were like slimy, but they could probably get you

1201
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: into the club for sure, especially if you're under age.

1202
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: Slimy but not unattractive, Yes, kind of there's a charisma there.

1203
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: But also they're like businessmen, yes they are, or they're

1204
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: like marketing people.

1205
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: I told you about that. This is one of my

1206
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: favorite memories, and I'm going to try to do it quickly.

1207
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: I was turning. Remember the old DMV that used to

1208
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: be off of Vine above between Sunset and Hollywood, and

1209
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: it's like a DMV there. Yeah, I'd always go there

1210
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 2: because there was rarely a line.

1211
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1212
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: So I was driving in that neighborhood and I was

1213
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: taking a right hand turn in my old car. Simultaneously

1214
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: there was this dude taking a left so our cars

1215
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: were passing and we were our window, you know, we

1216
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: were passing each other, and he was super good looking,

1217
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: but he was like shaved.

1218
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Head, yeah, very clean cut, like well.

1219
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: She guy was like super tan, and he had a

1220
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: V neck silk shirt that was open, like way open

1221
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: down here, and he had a big necklace and he

1222
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: had like a big ring. He had a toothpick in

1223
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: his mouth, and I was just like and I just

1224
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: staring at him because I was like, who is this guy?

1225
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: Like as we're passing each other, and he just very

1226
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: slowly puts his arm out the window and points at me.

1227
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: So as we're passing, he just like does one of

1228
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: those as we go by.

1229
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: Like acknowledging your existence.

1230
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, I love the idea of like this.

1231
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: He looked like a nightclub owner or a promoter.

1232
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: It's a totally thing.

1233
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: And I'm like his nerdy comic girlfriend. Yeah, Like it

1234
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: was this idea of like how hilarious. But then he'd

1235
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: also like give me coke?

1236
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: Can you actually give you coke? You get you into Ladoux,

1237
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: which is what the nightclub at the time, like seriously, So,

1238
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: Johnny Dangerous was a promoter for the Hollywood nightclub LaDou

1239
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: La Doo La dux La dux lu dou do.

1240
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: I remember it, but I don't know what it looks.

1241
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: It was on the hills all the time, like that

1242
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: swear they all went to or worked or whatever. So

1243
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: it was a big deal and he'd get these underage

1244
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: kids who are not famous people into LaDue. He was

1245
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 1: the promoter, the Hollywood promoter.

1246
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: It feels like a lost the cultures being lost.

1247
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's still there. We could go to Hollywood

1248
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: world right now and meet four promoters within twenty minutes.

1249
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: And we'd be like hey, and they'd be like, I

1250
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: can't see you're over twenty five.

1251
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: No, you're a month.

1252
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: You're not invited.

1253
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no milks. Okay. So Roy the other guy

1254
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: is actually the one captured on security footage in the

1255
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: December Paris Hilton burglary, and that ends up being the

1256
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: one to first be publicized. Johnny Dangerous mostly acts as

1257
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: a fence, like buying the stolen goods to sell them,

1258
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: because the kids can't. What are they going to go

1259
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: into a pawn shop with Paris Hilton's fucking like heirloom

1260
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: family jewelry and sell it on the market. No.

1261
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: I just thought about Paris Hilton coming home from Ibitha

1262
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: or whatever it is and being like, hey, I put

1263
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars in this pero. Sure wait a second.

1264
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: Did Nicky bar oh this purse? And then Nick later

1265
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: says sweet Nick He says, quote, he gave us five

1266
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for like ten rolexes, which I guess is

1267
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: a ripoff now that I think about it. End quote,

1268
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: how much is a rolex worth?

1269
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars?

1270
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: Aren't they like so ten rolexes these like that just

1271
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: shows how naive and young they are. Yeah, he was like,

1272
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: here's five thousand dollars and they're like, oh my god,

1273
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's so incredible.

1274
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1275
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: It's a bit muddy regarding like when each of the

1276
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: members of the Blingering get involved. It's very loose.

1277
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: It's clear that that's no official history.

1278
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not going to believe it. It's clear that

1279
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: the network expands quickly between Rachel and Nick's first burglary

1280
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: in October and the fourth one in December. Since Rachel

1281
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: and Nick didn't actually really even know the guy Roy,

1282
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: the one who was in the security footage, it's almost like.

1283
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: Some guy heard about it too.

1284
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not actually like group. And then the

1285
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: burglars continue over the course of the entire school year

1286
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: and into the summer with various members of this group,

1287
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: but always Rachel and Nick. So they kind of are

1288
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: the ringleaders, I guess you could say.

1289
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: In February of that year, Rachel and Nick rob the

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: home of Adrina Patridge, one of the stars of the.

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: Hills Adrena Partridge.

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01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: It says Patridge and everything I've read, and I always

1294
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: thought it was Partridge.

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01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: It is Partridge. I think it's Patridge.

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: What was she on the Hill Hills iconic TV show

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01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: of it? I did. I watched the show on literally

1298
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: until I read this research by Ali, I would have

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: said Partridge. And then I saw that I saw in

1300
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: the Vanity Fair article it spelled Patridge. By the way,

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01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: I want to leave all of this in and Andrea,

1302
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: We're so sorry. I wouldn't dare edit it out. It's

1303
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: clearly gold and she says, quote, they took bags and

1304
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: bags of stuff. They took my great grandma's jewelry, my passport,

1305
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: my laptop, jeans made to fit my body to perfect shape, which, like,

1306
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: can I get that done? I didn't know there was

1307
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: something you could do.

1308
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: No, you can't. The answer is no, damn it.

1309
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: The estimated value of her stolen property was forty three

1310
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. But more than that, she is terrified from this.

1311
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: And I think I've never think fucking God had a

1312
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: break in, But I think the sense of security that

1313
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: you lose when that happens is just psychologically so fucked up,

1314
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: especially from a reality star like She's not you know,

1315
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: a movie star that agreed to this life. I mean

1316
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: she did because she's a reality star.

1317
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: She was like in high school when she agreed to it.

1318
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1319
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: Is she the one that lived in that very glass

1320
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: boxy house that was up above Sunset down by like

1321
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: Sunset Junction.

1322
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you know that?

1323
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: Because I remember I spent a lot of time in

1324
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: the boxy house, and I remembered them the video with

1325
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: the guy with the like a hooded sweatshirt and people

1326
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: jumping over the fence. Y totally yeah, And it's like

1327
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: that's when I realized, like, oh, that's right, You're totally

1328
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: exposed if people know where you live, right.

1329
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: Exactly actually, And she shares the footage of this robbery

1330
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: right away with the police and media, and it's pretty

1331
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: clear you can see Nick and Rachel in it. But

1332
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: nothing comes of that till later. So the group hits

1333
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: Rachel Bilson's house in May from the OC. They have

1334
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: a trend clue, right, Rachel Bilson's from the oce here,

1335
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: I think, so, I'm from literally the OC and I

1336
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: don't remember runs. Then in July they hit Orlando Bloom's house,

1337
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: mostly because his girlfriend at the time is Miranda Kerr

1338
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: and she has really fucking good clothes. Well, they hit

1339
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: his house that night. They allegedly steal five hundred thousand

1340
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: dollars in Rolex watches allegedly, which is probably two Rolex

1341
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: watch Yeah, exactly, Louis of Aton luggage artwork. I mean,

1342
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: it seems like they just have all the time in

1343
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: the world in these houses and they take advantage of it.

1344
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: And also all the choices in the world, because this

1345
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: is like rich people like having too much money and

1346
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: collecting stuff.

1347
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: And not having security. Yeah, you know, or house sitter security.

1348
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: A fucking dog, a rottweiler with a ninety tape to it,

1349
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: like anything.

1350
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: Plants that someone has to come in water twice something.

1351
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: The Orlando Bloom robbery is whar Eight year old Alexis

1352
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: Nyers claims she comes into the story and she's the

1353
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: daughter of the secret Manifestation mother. Yes, so she claims this.

1354
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: So when she comes into the story, she says she's

1355
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: a drag along. It's like, I don't know, allegedly allegedly allegedly.

1356
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a group of kids that are

1357
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: going around robbing celebrities houses, you're gonna want to tell

1358
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: all the kids at school that you're out in front

1359
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: and you're the leader. I thank and when once you

1360
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: get caught, you're gonna be like I barely even understood

1361
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: what was happening exactly, and I do think sorry, but

1362
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: I do think that I remembered them trying to turn

1363
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: that story with the Adrena Partridge break in, because they

1364
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: were talking about how scared she was where it's like

1365
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 2: the times I've sat at my house in the middle

1366
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: of the night with the dogs barking, thinking someone is

1367
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: breaking in my house and it is the fucking scariest thing. Yeah,

1368
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: and of course it was raccoons or whatever, but like

1369
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: a horrible threat, a horrible thing to go to even

1370
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: if you're not home, that someone actually did it and

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: it was there.

1372
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: The violation of someone walking through this place. That's like

1373
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: you're sanction that you created, especially when you're a famous person,

1374
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: to get away from all of that, and it's not

1375
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: safe and nothing safe and they've taken your grandma's jewelry,

1376
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: Like I totally horrible.

1377
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: I can't imagine, But then yeah, it's cute when you

1378
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: know it's these teenagers that are being rebels.

1379
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she racally was like I couldn't believe it

1380
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: when I saw the footage because I figured, like I

1381
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: was also terrified that it was these like big scary men. Yeah,

1382
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but it was still confusing. Yeah. So Alexis,

1383
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: this eighteen year old had known Nick and Rachel from

1384
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: Indian Hills High School, but she had dropped out to

1385
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: pursue modeling, and she's at the time being homeschooled by

1386
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: her mother, Andrea Leslie Mann's specifically, Andrea says she's basing

1387
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: her curriculum around the movie, not the book The Secret.

1388
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1389
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: The family believes firmly in the law of attraction and

1390
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: frequently says, quote and so it is.

1391
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: Wow.

1392
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: That's They're like, hey, I want to be famous and

1393
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: so it is, which is so culty, isn't it culty?

1394
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: I mean it's so la. It's so and because sometimes

1395
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: it works, and it's like, yeah, sometimes it works. And

1396
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 2: if you're delusional enough and right to believe that's why

1397
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: peteite and hot enough, I guess, and then think.

1398
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: You earned it because you did that and they did

1399
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: it and it's like, well you should.

1400
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just and so it is.

1401
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: And you live in the one are those apartments the

1402
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: oak Woods. Yeah, and you just like all you want

1403
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: is to make it. Yeah whatever that means. God, there's

1404
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: no negative in making it, that's the idea. It's like,

1405
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: there's no like, you can't do anything bad if it

1406
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: results in you making it because it was worth it.

1407
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, no matter what is it.

1408
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: Alexi's best friend is a nineteen year old named Tess Taylor,

1409
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: and she lives in the house as well. Andrea treats

1410
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: her like another daughter, and then they're the ones who

1411
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: end up having that reality show Pretty Wild for a

1412
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: short time. The way it's presented on the reality show,

1413
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: Alexis and Taylor are very focused on becoming famous, and

1414
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: Andrea the mother is even more focused on this Leslie man.

1415
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: And it appears that Alexis's race in a family that

1416
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: prioritizes fame and proximity to fame over everything else. And

1417
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: we know this because it's all chronicled on Pretty Wild,

1418
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: which starts filming at the time, because they are following

1419
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: Alexis in Tessa's life as little hell racers in the

1420
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles club scene, like going to LaDou.

1421
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: They're looking for the new parasiled Nikki No, that's her

1422
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: sister Nicole Richie Rich.

1423
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,879
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's about that at first, about their attempts

1424
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: at you know, going to modeling additions and becoming famous,

1425
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: but it doesn't turn into that. But back to the

1426
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: summer of the summer, all the kids in the blingering

1427
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: are pretty blatant with their spoils. They are photographed in

1428
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: celebrities clothes on their social media with like fucking roll

1429
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: lex'es and shit. I know, I know, they brag pretty

1430
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: openly about it among their peers. One day, Rachel and

1431
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: Nick and possibly others spread out a blanket on Venice

1432
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: Beach and start selling stolen goods from celebrities houses.

1433
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 2: Yes, like they cry for help.

1434
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: Are teenagers doing dumbass tea teenage shit, which is why

1435
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'll never have a teenage child, just

1436
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: a nephew that I could be like the cool aunt too.

1437
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1438
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: So then at the end of July, TMZ reaps the

1439
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: security footage from the burglary back in February at Adrina

1440
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: Pea's house. For some reason, she had shared it back

1441
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: when it happened, but for some reason now people are

1442
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,440
Speaker 1: more interested in it, and Nick and Rachel are pretty identifiable,

1443
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: and it's a footage you've seen, like they really barely

1444
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: try to cover their faces at all. They have like

1445
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: hoodies on, and that's kind of it. So friends are

1446
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: calling them about it. Rachel decides to move in with

1447
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: her father, who's an accountant and professional gambler who lives

1448
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: in Vegas, to have like a low profile, but she

1449
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: cannot resist the poll to do that one last job. Oh,

1450
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: like you're done, you're in a different state. Go fucking

1451
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: you got out? Yeah, go be a what's it called dealer? Yes,

1452
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: not a drug dealer. If you couldn't, if you're not

1453
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube, I was doing cards.

1454
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: Not she was doing poker dealer gestures.

1455
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: One night in August, one of the members of the

1456
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: ring were not sure. Who calls Rachel and says, quote,

1457
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: let's go steal end quote. The intended target is Lindsay Lohan,

1458
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: who pretty much is the white whale for any fashion

1459
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: loving teenage burglar in the mid two thousands. Like she's

1460
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: the famousist of the famousist and the party the most

1461
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: like big party girl too. She's a big party girl.

1462
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: Also she I think I read and this is alleged,

1463
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: so don't hold against me. But there was a lot

1464
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: of stories about her taking clothing, really expensive clothing from sets, Yes,

1465
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: and from places where she I think she had probably this.

1466
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: She was famous and had been since she was a child. Yeah,

1467
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: and she kind of had the same disease. It sounds

1468
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: the second titlement disease. Yeah, Rachel makes the four hour

1469
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: drive to Los Angeles in order to participate in that.

1470
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: She's like, don't go wait for me here I come.

1471
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: So that happens, and then very shortly after this, the

1472
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: walls start closing in. Several people anonymously tip the police

1473
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 1: about the members of the blame ring because they fucking

1474
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: know them from calabasas fuck in high school or whatever.

1475
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of them probably like the boy she like

1476
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: like them, and then she's like, I'm dropping a dime on.

1477
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: Your No, totally Alexis Nyers. It turns out is one

1478
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: of the anonymous tipsters, which is weird because she is

1479
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: actually part of the group, even though she insists that

1480
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: she didn't know what was happening and didn't participate. In September,

1481
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Nick Prugo is arrested based on one of these tips,

1482
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: and he basically he's a child. He confesses to not

1483
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: just everything, but everything and stuff the cops don't even

1484
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: know is related to the blingering, Like that's how sweet

1485
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: innocent he is. He's just like, yes, it was me.

1486
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: Here's what we did. I didn't know it was illegal

1487
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. This includes a burglary from nine

1488
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: to two one zero actor Brian Austin Green's house, which

1489
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: they broke into because he was dating Megan Fox, who's

1490
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: so fucking well dressed at the time, but the thieves

1491
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: also wind up stealing a handgun from him, oh, which

1492
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: is like scary.

1493
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1494
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: Nick turns in tons of stolen watches and jewelry and

1495
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: it's photographed for his mug shot, and in the mugshot,

1496
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: he's wearing one of Orlando Bloom's T shirts. Jesus, like

1497
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: they're just children. I'm not saying that any of this

1498
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: is okay, but.

1499
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: They got away with it. I mean, like there's a

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01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: part of it that's kind of delightful.

1501
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: Totally totally. Nick calls Rachel after his publicized arrest and

1502
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: even though rationally she knows he got arrested, and she's

1503
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: probably like, I shouldn't talk to him when he's calling me.

1504
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: I bet this is being recorded but she talks to

1505
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: him anyways, and Nick casually says to her, remind me

1506
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: what your dad's addresses in Vegas where you're staying. Moments later,

1507
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: the police bang on her door and yeah, find her.

1508
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: They search her house and find it, you know, a

1509
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, including a nude personal photo of Paris

1510
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: Hilton that they had stolen, which is pretty shitty. Oh yeah,

1511
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, when Alexis is warrant.

1512
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 2: Is why doesn't Paris Hilton have a safe.

1513
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: One hundred percent?

1514
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: She's from the richest of the rich, Like, isn't there

1515
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: some sort of internal protocol with these people? Yeah? I

1516
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: mean the Kilgary family version of that is my dad

1517
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: at a big bowl that he used to put his

1518
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 2: spare change in, and then we would go steal of

1519
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: the b My sister had.

1520
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: One of those like children's lock boxes that all you

1521
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: had to do was like find the opening and it,

1522
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, and then I'd go buy like fucking exactly

1523
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: in quarters. Yeah, my dad would be like, quit stealing

1524
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: my corner and quit putting them, and then it's literally

1525
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: called the stealing place.

1526
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: Ye.

1527
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, when Alexi's warrant is served, the e cameras

1528
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: are rolling, and her rest winds up in the pilot

1529
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: of Pretty Wild. So suddenly like, thank fucking god, we

1530
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: gave this girl the reality show. We have all of this.

1531
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: It's so cringe to watch, Like I watched another scene

1532
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: and it's just cringe. The rest of the series follows

1533
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: her preparation for trial. While searching the house, police find

1534
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: one of Rachel Bilson's purses, among other things. At this point,

1535
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: the fact that this rash of well publicized Hollywood burglaries

1536
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: has been committed by a ring of teenagers from the

1537
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: valley has become in itself, this hugely sensational story. No

1538
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: one can get enough of it. Vanity Fair writer Nancy

1539
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: Joe Sales covers the story mostly from Alexis's perspective as

1540
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: she naviogates her court dates and notes that the family

1541
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: seems to be simultaneously treating her arrest like the scary

1542
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: problem it is, but also an opportunity to become famous

1543
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: and really laughing up the attention.

1544
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean they manifested it.

1545
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta live it at the time too, Like

1546
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: all of those starlets had duys and all it did

1547
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: was make them more famous.

1548
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 2: Yes, it was really like you were saying that it's

1549
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: weird because paparazzi, although I know they still exist, it's

1550
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,919
Speaker 2: not the same as it was back then, where everything

1551
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: was being driven by that so ugly it was out

1552
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 2: of control.

1553
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. The article goes on to be adapted into Sofia

1554
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: Coppolo's twenty thirteen movie The Blingering, which is one of

1555
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: Karen's favorites.

1556
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: Number one that in Atonement, that's.

1557
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: What you you cry on a plane do is the blingering?

1558
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: Why why aren't these children so any more?

1559
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: Alexis please no contest and a sentence to one hundred

1560
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: and eighty days in the county jail, and she winds

1561
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: up serving thirty days. Nick also spends this time giving

1562
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: lots of interviews and doing lots of television news Apparents

1563
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: says at the same time, Rachel the you know Nick,

1564
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: and Rachel, Rachel is saying nothing. Her mom is a lawyer, yes,

1565
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 1: and so she almost isn't part of the public narrative anymore,

1566
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: which is so smart in that way of don't fucking

1567
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: say shit and no one will care. Yes, it'll go away, yes,

1568
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: which is so true. The consequence of that is that

1569
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: in the cultural narrative she is portrayed by all the

1570
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: other kids as the ringleader. They're able to point to her,

1571
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: and she's not denying it, so everyone goes with it.

1572
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 1: The way she tells the story now is that it

1573
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: was more of a fallet I do type situation where

1574
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,440
Speaker 1: she and Nick had a shared compulsion to steal.

1575
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: And justify to each other. Yeah, like it's we're doing it.

1576
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: It's fun, it's funny. It's I mean, I'm sure it

1577
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: was fucking thrilling.

1578
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so fucking fun, like the stories that

1579
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: they tell about it was.

1580
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: And then you have eight grand in cash in your pocket, like,

1581
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: now I get to do You're right, I get to

1582
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: have whatever lipstick I want.

1583
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: And the purest coke you've ever fucking smelled in your life.

1584
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: At the trial, many of the celebrity victims testify the

1585
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: prosecution builds their case around the sense of violation and

1586
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: fear that they felt to have their homes broken into,

1587
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: as opposed to the actual material losses, because hopefully they

1588
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: were all insured too, you know they were, they were

1589
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: for sure, That's why there was no security. Ultimately, all

1590
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: the members of the Bling ring who are charged together

1591
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: plead no contest. Nick and Rachel get the stiffest sentences.

1592
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: Nick A sentenced to two years in prison and Rachel

1593
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: to four, and both serve about a year before being

1594
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: released on probation. Everyone else finds up getting probation. And

1595
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: this is partially because an LAPD cop who is a

1596
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: major figure in the investigation is just as enamored with

1597
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: celebrity as the kids are. He consults on the Sofia

1598
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: Coppola film while the cases are still pending, creating a

1599
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: big conflict of interest that lessens everyone else's sentences. So

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01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not just teenagers.

1601
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: You know what makes you think of as I want

1602
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 2: to rewatch LA Confidential.

1603
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: Yes, such a good movie movie, but that.

1604
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 2: Whole part with the now reviled Kevin Spacey, but yeah,

1605
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 2: that whole thing is so LA. It's like there are

1606
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: totally different rules here, totally and it is really acclimated

1607
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: to beauty and money and like and this achievement staying

1608
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 2: status and fame. But so it's like, yeah, the cops.

1609
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: You cannot get a cop to show up anywhere for

1610
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 2: any reason most of LA. But you will see twenty

1611
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: five of them standing around a set if they're shooting

1612
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: on Melrose, And I mean that's just how you just

1613
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: learned that. That's just how it works.

1614
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: Here, totally. Yeah, that's so true. Such a weird town,

1615
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: it's so weird. When Rachel does get out of prison,

1616
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: she moves back in with her mom and stepdad to

1617
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: a bedroom with a mattress on the floor and a

1618
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: small box of belongings. I mean, she's got some stories

1619
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: to tell though, for the rest of her life. That's right,

1620
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: she says. She remembers thinking, quote, this is all that

1621
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: I need in the world, Like she.

1622
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 2: Was just just so happy to be home.

1623
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the whole thing because getting caught up in it.

1624
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: You know. Yes, all of the members of the Bling

1625
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: Ring now lead pretty quiet lives. Rachel is a hairstylist.

1626
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: It's unclear what Nick does professionally, but he's not clamoring

1627
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: for publicity. Alexis, though, is the kind of the only

1628
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: one who still maintains an Instagram presence, So maybe she's

1629
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: still looking for that elusive fame.

1630
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: If I was getting my haircut and my hairdresser was

1631
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: like I actually was the leader of the Bling Ring,

1632
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: I would be overjoyed in ways it.

1633
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, where does she work?

1634
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 2: Im?

1635
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: I'll leave my beloved hairdresser for her Immedia. Sorry Marissa,

1636
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: but like it's the leader of the Bling Ring.

1637
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: That's a great way to spend three hours of like,

1638
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: and then what did you do with that?

1639
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: Watch? Don't ask me about what I'm watching on TV

1640
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: right now. Tell me everything about your fucking incredible life, Rachl.

1641
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: Fascinating And that is the story for our five hundred

1642
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: episode of The Bling Ring.

1643
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: Genius, Genius. That was great.

1644
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: All props to Molly and Ali for suggesting the story.

1645
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, it's kind of vapid,

1646
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: and don like, is Karen doing a really good truth drama?

1647
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: Only do this if like it, like legitimately it's a

1648
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: good episode, and they were like it fucking is you.

1649
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: Molly's like trust Trust I'm like, all right, fine, I'll

1650
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: do the fucking Bling Ring.

1651
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 2: Well, you know it's interesting you say that now, because

1652
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: that's what I was going to say at the beginning,

1653
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: is it's our five hundredth episode and from Stephen Ray

1654
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: Morris all by himself in on the floor of your apartment,

1655
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 2: to this incredible staff of almost forty people that we

1656
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: now have it exactly right, like we would be nowhere

1657
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 2: and we could not have done it and certainly couldn't

1658
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: have done it to the degree that we have done

1659
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: it absolutely without all these people that we work with.

1660
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 2: So for our own team, thank you Molly and Leanna

1661
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: and Aristotle and just everybody every week that makes this

1662
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: podcast possible. Thank you all so much, because you know that's.

1663
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,480
Speaker 1: Not the two of us, it's.

1664
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: In the least And now there's like there's two other

1665
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: podcasts that go along with this podcast, and there's video,

1666
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: and it's just like we have team after team and

1667
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: people after people that really work their ass off.

1668
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: It works despite it, not because.

1669
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: Us I disagree, No, no, it just is like it's

1670
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: just such a big old thing. It's very exciting. After

1671
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: ten years and five hundred that's so wild. Yeah, the

1672
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: way it's grown, it's crazy.

1673
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: Turn we really fucking blingering this. The podcasting industry doesn't, Okay.

1674
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 2: What we did was we checked the podcast industries doors.

1675
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: A couple of them were unlocked.

1676
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: It's trying to be broken. We some gregs, So we

1677
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,440
Speaker 1: went through their ship and we fucking.

1678
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,879
Speaker 2: They don't need this forty grand in cash, yes.

1679
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: But what a joy. And of course to the listeners

1680
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: to the Murderinos, to our fucking people. Obviously, this couldn't

1681
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: have happened without you, but you've made it into this

1682
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: incredible thing that we could never ever tell you how

1683
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: grateful we are for the lives that we get to

1684
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: leave now because of you. Guys listening to this podcast.

1685
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 2: And thinking that we're your best friends.

1686
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we are, because we are fun. Run you

1687
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: down on this street to honk at you. That's right.

1688
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: We will stick our whole arm and perhaps our head

1689
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 2: out the windows to make sure you know that we

1690
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: see you.

1691
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: And we appreciate it. Our lives five hundred episodes ago

1692
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: were very different.

1693
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 2: They were very different.

1694
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: It really is a beautiful place to be. So thank

1695
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 1: you guys, so fucking much.

1696
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: Yes, it's magical.

1697
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Get good way, Elvis,

1698
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you want a cookie?

1699
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

1700
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

1701
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Oscevedo.

1702
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1703
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 2: Our researchers are Marion McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1704
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 1: Email your hometowns to my Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

1705
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

1706
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,960
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1707
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1708
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: And now you can watch us on Exactly Right's YouTube page.

1709
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: While you're there, please like and subscribe.

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01:23:54,240 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Goodbybye,