Speaker 1: Are you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready
Speaker 1: for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so much for that. It's time for the break on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com were on the break. What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Welcome to Cowboys Break one on one. This is something
Speaker 1: that we've been doing here this offseason. We're not doing
Speaker 1: full shows, but we're trying to still do an element
Speaker 1: of our shows and getting different guests in here. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of different guests we're running around these
Speaker 1: other shows have done a great job, but I got
Speaker 1: to go. I'm sorry. They say it all the time,
Speaker 1: but this truly is the goat. And all you have
Speaker 1: to do is go to my office. If we ever
Speaker 1: get to go there again, go to my office and
Speaker 1: see this big picture I've got of Darren Woodson Woody.
Speaker 1: What is up? Man? Thanks for joining me. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: doing great. Can't wait for football season starting it? Uh? Look, man,
Speaker 1: it's look. This sucks. I'm gonna last PAP and I'm
Speaker 1: a guiding it for the longest. You know me, I
Speaker 1: travel all the time. I'm either doing engagements or I'm
Speaker 1: doing business or whatnot. And I'm on the road and
Speaker 1: I have bitched and complained about being on the road.
Speaker 1: I'm doing too much, and then COVID hits, I haven't
Speaker 1: done anything. I'm at home. Now I'm away. I'm a
Speaker 1: bitching because I want to get back out and get
Speaker 1: back on the road. Let's just let's just get this
Speaker 1: out of the way right now. Okay. Darren asked us
Speaker 1: before this thing started if if there could be some
Speaker 1: cussing going on. So it's gonna be that kind of
Speaker 1: party here, all right, As Mike Singletary said one time,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that kind of party. Just giving you
Speaker 1: some free warning there. We'll see what our beat buttons
Speaker 1: are working. But I don't really know. So, um, first
Speaker 1: of all, where are you? I mean, I'm home home, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm home. You know. I have my offices up at
Speaker 1: the Star. Yeah, my two I think. But but on
Speaker 1: Monday Wednesday, it's Monday's Wednesdays, I go up to the Stars.
Speaker 1: Those are the days from off. So we go a
Speaker 1: group A Monday Wednesday, Group B goes Tuesday Thursday. So
Speaker 1: today being Tuesday, I'm at home. Okay. All right, So
Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to it here before we get
Speaker 1: into all this. You know, football talk. You said you're
Speaker 1: excited about football, but you you let me just ask
Speaker 1: you this, Barry Sanders in the open field and you've
Speaker 1: got to make this tackle. You want to deal with
Speaker 1: that or coronavirus clug. I've had to deal with both
Speaker 1: because I had I ended up being uh tested positive
Speaker 1: for COVID about in May mid May. Long story that
Speaker 1: goes behind that, but you know, I was a guy,
Speaker 1: and if you know my wife, Tiffany, she's a hypochondriac.
Speaker 1: And we sheltered our selves in this house and didn't move,
Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere. We you know, not so much quarantine,
Speaker 1: but a whole lot of presents outside of himself but
Speaker 1: as well, so we were being extremely care wife end
Speaker 1: up going to Houston for a business and came back
Speaker 1: and we ended up getting COVID to hoold the entire house, himself,
Speaker 1: a wife, a nineteen year old, and a four year old.
Speaker 1: So I've had to deal with it, kick my kick
Speaker 1: my butt for about three or four days, and then
Speaker 1: you know what it felt like. It in day two
Speaker 1: it felt like at my age, at fifty one years old,
Speaker 1: at my age that I played a game at full game.
Speaker 1: It got ninety ratts and the physical partner and waking
Speaker 1: up the next morning. That's what it felt like. I
Speaker 1: could barely move man for in day two because if
Speaker 1: my body was just so sore. And in day three, man,
Speaker 1: I just I was fine. Day four, I was working out.
Speaker 1: It just it hit me pretty hard for a few days.
Speaker 1: But now I was the only one that got hit
Speaker 1: that hard. My wife had no symptoms. Zero didn't even
Speaker 1: cough or sneeze, he didn't have any effects. My little
Speaker 1: my three year old or my whole year only had
Speaker 1: a fever. Nineteen year old had a fever and he
Speaker 1: got up the next day. On was no big deal.
Speaker 1: I was the one that took it on chin for
Speaker 1: a couple of days. So you compared it to a game.
Speaker 1: Was it a game that you won or you lost?
Speaker 1: Because you know, on Monday morning you feel much differently
Speaker 1: if you'd won that game or not. Was this a loss, dude,
Speaker 1: this was a double I got up with the belt on,
Speaker 1: man I got on day day three, put the belt on.
Speaker 1: He had me down, He had me on the ropes.
Speaker 1: Now he had me in the hard bar. For a second.
Speaker 1: I found a way to squeeze out of that thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, you asked the question earlier. You know
Speaker 1: which one would I rather see Barry Sanders in the
Speaker 1: open field or COVID dude, Barry any day? Wow, Barry
Speaker 1: any day man? Because just for that one day, man,
Speaker 1: that was I was. I was getting pound and round
Speaker 1: and pound that day. That's some good perspective right there,
Speaker 1: because obviously there's not many safeties or defensive players that
Speaker 1: played in the nineties that would be like, come on, Barry,
Speaker 1: what you got so especially as a safety because you know,
Speaker 1: there's not anyone really behind you, so like it it's
Speaker 1: you and that's something that you dealt with your whole career. So, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm I'm glad you're doing well. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that everybody you know in the in the I assume
Speaker 1: everyone in your family's fine, perfect, so that that's great.
Speaker 1: What m you said that this sucks, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing that you said, just you know, in general,
Speaker 1: you guys have had it and you've dealt with it,
Speaker 1: but still it's just changed all of our lives right now.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of what when you're talking about like
Speaker 1: this sucks having every other day wear a mask and
Speaker 1: just everything. Yeah, exactly, and and just being around people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, seeing you, seeing Chris, seeing
Speaker 1: the guys up at the at the facility, you know
Speaker 1: office right there at the facility. You know, you just
Speaker 1: you just want to get back to that normal seat.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see my kid, my son, my four
Speaker 1: year old, go back to school. That would be awesome
Speaker 1: to the house, just the fact of having some normalcy.
Speaker 1: You know, my neighborhood. We walk through the stores as families.
Speaker 1: We have two or three families that will walk to
Speaker 1: the store or go to the coffee shop, you have dinner,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just think, you know, that part
Speaker 1: of being in Dallas, and that part of just being
Speaker 1: around folks, that's the part that that I just don't like.
Speaker 1: I just I want to get back to that normal seat.
Speaker 1: And I know it's hey, listen, COVID has affected a
Speaker 1: lot of different and a lot of people differently. Um
Speaker 1: and to those who have really been affected, my heart
Speaker 1: goes out to you because I've had some friends who've
Speaker 1: lost their lives to COVID and it's nothing, it's nothing
Speaker 1: to play around with. But at the same time, I just, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, wish everybody the best, but you know, I'd
Speaker 1: love to get back to that normalcy as well. Well.
Speaker 1: And let me as I transition into football, let me
Speaker 1: just preface by saying, you know, we understand everybody understands
Speaker 1: that football takes a major backseat to everything else that's happening.
Speaker 1: So but still we like to talk about football. We
Speaker 1: hope to kind of get that back. So I am
Speaker 1: going to shift gears to that um and also talking
Speaker 1: about the coronavirus. I mean, it's been such a big
Speaker 1: deal as far as the NFL and the players Association
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do here. Now you're
Speaker 1: seeing some players opt out, a couple of players on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster opting out, and you know, the players
Speaker 1: are making sure that they you know, getting tested every day,
Speaker 1: and so what are your thoughts on that as far
Speaker 1: as you know players risking, is it a risk reward situation?
Speaker 1: Do you think that that they should say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: not getting out there unless unless this thing is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent safe, or you know, do you you agree
Speaker 1: with some of the players that are saying, now I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not doing I got a
Speaker 1: family to protect. So I think players have options. They absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that their health that they're putting their trouble one.
Speaker 1: Then they have option to say, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this. I want to put myself, my family.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put anyone at risks. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss that mess the season. I can only
Speaker 1: put myself in this situation. And you know, we've never
Speaker 1: experienced anything like this. So what we did experience was
Speaker 1: nine to eleven and that was traumatic to the country
Speaker 1: and it was emotional. Um and I guess we missed
Speaker 1: a I guess we missed a week of a game
Speaker 1: or whatnot, But it was that was a traumatic part
Speaker 1: of what I went through that this is totally different
Speaker 1: because this has affected everyone in every vertical around the country,
Speaker 1: around the world, and it's a process in which you,
Speaker 1: you know, even individually, to look at yourself and say,
Speaker 1: am I willing to take on the risks of walking
Speaker 1: into a room of fifty three players and someone getting
Speaker 1: COVID and now we're all exposed to it, and then
Speaker 1: I'm taking that back to the house my wife, maybe
Speaker 1: my mom lives with me, who maybe of a sixty
Speaker 1: years old and above. I mean, there's so many risks
Speaker 1: that are inherent in being around a lot of players.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be willing to take that risk.
Speaker 1: If it was me, I would probably look, I've always
Speaker 1: been a guy that loved the game and I wanted
Speaker 1: to keep it back. I want to keep it natural
Speaker 1: and keep the normal I want to get back to
Speaker 1: the normalcy or whatnot. I think I would to be
Speaker 1: a guy that would play I honestly do. I think
Speaker 1: I would have got that would have walked in, try
Speaker 1: to understand all the repercussions and you know how we're
Speaker 1: going to go about testing and making sure the locker
Speaker 1: room is safe, because safety is first in this situation,
Speaker 1: and I would want to know all there is to
Speaker 1: know about that walking into that locker room and then exposure.
Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, listen, it is you
Speaker 1: can't live in an I'd like the NBA is they're
Speaker 1: living in a bubble. You know. In the NFL, there's
Speaker 1: so many moving parts. It's not just the players, it's
Speaker 1: the training staff, it's the equipment staff, it's the PR department.
Speaker 1: You have, so I mean, you have a huge group
Speaker 1: of people, and then when you go play a game,
Speaker 1: you have to trans transfer all that on a plane.
Speaker 1: To a hotel and all that. So there's there's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for the NFL to manage this. And
Speaker 1: I can understand why players or some players are opting out.
Speaker 1: They want to take care of their help, they'll take
Speaker 1: care of the family. But then a guy like me,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't play. Yeah, you know, you're right. It's
Speaker 1: it's such a weird time because you know, just an
Speaker 1: NFL huddle, it's something that that we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: do right now. So distancing that's a major part of
Speaker 1: the game, you know. So it's gonna be really interesting
Speaker 1: that to see just this how this whole thing plays out.
Speaker 1: And let's let's assume that it does. Let's assume that that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna get this thing started and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna get them to play. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about the safety position,
Speaker 1: you know, I that's something you know really yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know a little bit, you know, I mean, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't really addressed it since Roy Williams like and
Speaker 1: with a high pick and uh and you were playing
Speaker 1: with him back then. So you know, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about them trading for players and it
Speaker 1: just didn't work out. Obviously with Jamal Adams, he was
Speaker 1: traded recently to Seattles. Uh what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Two first round picks and a third round pick? Wow?
Speaker 1: That man? I love Jamal Adams, Carrolton, boy man, love
Speaker 1: the kid out. He's top three safety in the league.
Speaker 1: And you know, but yeah, but he was a guy
Speaker 1: that I was just hoping the I was bring off,
Speaker 1: you know, specifically because the kid has so much passion
Speaker 1: for the game. I mean, he loves to play the game.
Speaker 1: Is he the best cover guy in the league now?
Speaker 1: To say the position now? Probably not, But he finds
Speaker 1: a way to get around the football. He finds a
Speaker 1: way to be passionate on the field and then be
Speaker 1: the leader in the locker room of loud at times
Speaker 1: and noxious at time. People probably don't like him, but
Speaker 1: he has that I don't give a damn attitude. What
Speaker 1: you want the Charles Hayley type of mentality, what you
Speaker 1: want on your team. So do I think he would
Speaker 1: have really lifted this defense to another level? Absolutely? But
Speaker 1: two first round picks and then it was a third
Speaker 1: and then a player was it? Uh? Yeah, yeah, Google,
Speaker 1: that is a lot to give away. I could not
Speaker 1: see the Cowboys given that away. Uh and basically, you know,
Speaker 1: putting the risk, you know, first round picks that could
Speaker 1: probably that could really impact your team. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: I know everybody says, well, he's a proven commodity. You
Speaker 1: know what you're getting at the same position. But not right,
Speaker 1: not two first round picks. I'm picking late twenties. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. But I'm no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: And you know that that happens a lot because people
Speaker 1: will say, well, you know, no way the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: have done that. It's just like seeing different people that
Speaker 1: buy a car. Well, there's no way I would I
Speaker 1: would spend money for that car. Well, because you can't
Speaker 1: afford it. Seattle, you know, it's still rich. But Seattle
Speaker 1: is picking late. They do have a quarterback under contract.
Speaker 1: They have proven to be in the playoffs every year
Speaker 1: here for the last few years. They kind of know
Speaker 1: what they are. They may be a player or two away.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys can say that, so, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Seattle. Yeah, but I wonder what
Speaker 1: you think? What is Russell Wilson? I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think Russell Russell Wilsons. They're thinking, Okay, my off
Speaker 1: line hasn't protected me because I walked in the lead.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a left tackle, uh a round guard.
Speaker 1: I've been running around, trampling around, trying to save my life.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna give up two first or a safety,
Speaker 1: which ID He's probably looking at this like, uh little
Speaker 1: little hit scratcher on his part. Thing. You know, look,
Speaker 1: he needs he needs a protection, and you just gave
Speaker 1: up two high picks for one guy. Now, look, this
Speaker 1: is what I will say. If you're Seattle, you you
Speaker 1: make this, make this decision base on the fact. Believe
Speaker 1: that he pushed sprints. He gives you the legitimate chances defensively.
Speaker 1: To Ell, it's that much more to give you a
Speaker 1: shot to be in the super Bowl, because I don't
Speaker 1: see any other way you could make that decision. You
Speaker 1: just think, Okay, well we're gonna they're already a playoff team.
Speaker 1: They're already a playoff team. We know su us again,
Speaker 1: does Adams making a Super Bowl contender? And that to
Speaker 1: me is I know he does not make He doesn't
Speaker 1: lift the defensive that much. No, no, no disrespect to
Speaker 1: the position because you mastered it does any safety, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a safetan, there's a safety, there's position. You know,
Speaker 1: are they effective enough to to make that much of
Speaker 1: a difference. No, And I think now I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say wide receivers put you in that category. I would
Speaker 1: say a quarterback for sure, a tackle maybe, I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know, I just feel out the
Speaker 1: game is geared to so much that safety does it not?
Speaker 1: Doesn't make that big on a play to play situation
Speaker 1: where he can tran transform the game, and and and
Speaker 1: being imp player and uh, you know, give you point.
Speaker 1: The same time, I still think that it's offensive the
Speaker 1: way the game is played. Now, all right, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I agree with you on that. Now, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have signed hat Clinton Dix, they got in Xaviel Woods
Speaker 1: at the safety position. Their secondary is gonna a little
Speaker 1: bit unproven there. So I'm gonna ask you this. Do
Speaker 1: you think that this team, if you're looking at what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have, are they in a position where they
Speaker 1: are gonna have to outscore some teams? They got a
Speaker 1: lot of receivers they're gonna have, That's how they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to win games. Yes, Yes, is that I still
Speaker 1: think I think they short some things offensive. Let me
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. I'm also curious to see even
Speaker 1: some of these veteran players that are coming in that
Speaker 1: they brought in, like Gerald McCoy. I love to see
Speaker 1: what Gerald McCoy looks like here coming up, I mean
Speaker 1: i'd be I'm very interested in Larry Pope, Ontario Pope.
Speaker 1: I see what he looks like. You know, at this age,
Speaker 1: you know he's moved around here and there and how
Speaker 1: he fits in there. But you're gonna sit there. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look at the top football team. I know what
Speaker 1: I have at the quarterback position, at the running back
Speaker 1: and still one of the top off the line in
Speaker 1: the league. I think they can get better up front.
Speaker 1: And then now you bring in a wide receiving corps one, two,
Speaker 1: and three that can match up with anybody. Look, you
Speaker 1: gotta put some points on the board. You got weapons
Speaker 1: galore on the office side of the ball, and it's
Speaker 1: up the back and that offense to put those points up?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Oh, look at you. I was
Speaker 1: a little so I needed a shirt on. Yeah that
Speaker 1: looks good. You know I can't I look a little
Speaker 1: link in that picture man, that makes one of us,
Speaker 1: uh not me, but no. I was actually I didn't
Speaker 1: get to go to the office and I was looking
Speaker 1: at stuff and I was like, oh, this shirt, What
Speaker 1: am I gonna do with that? I was like, if
Speaker 1: I ever get Woody to come on this WebEx, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna you know, I actually have a glass too. They
Speaker 1: made these ring of honored glasses or whatever, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll drink that a little bit. Now. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to show some love there a little bit. So I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you something. Nick. You're there every goal. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're there every day. You cover this team weekend and
Speaker 1: week out. Now I'm gonna give you the top three
Speaker 1: wide receivers. And it's on the Cowboys team. And everyone's
Speaker 1: already anointing them ass, you know, the best wide receiving cors.
Speaker 1: I've heard this time and time again, Michael Gallo, Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb. Are you anointing them as the best wide
Speaker 1: receiving corps in the NFL? I'm not. I'm not. We
Speaker 1: actually did a poll on our own staff ranking all
Speaker 1: the positions on the team. I didn't put them number one.
Speaker 1: They got ranked that way because the other writers did
Speaker 1: I think I see two Pro bowlers. I had two
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls combined. I mean with both A Maria Cooper.
Speaker 1: I think Gallant on his way up and Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: could be out outstanding. Um, but I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: there yet for for the top three, just because you
Speaker 1: know it, yes, one to three sounds great. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like in basketball, who's your top three players?
Speaker 1: That's great? But if Lebron's my number one, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: good about it. So I don't know. I think some
Speaker 1: of the other teams that have a clear cut number
Speaker 1: one receiver, um, this would be, are a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not there yet. Ceedee Lamb, I think
Speaker 1: he could be outstanding, but I want to see how
Speaker 1: it all plays. That's exactly where I am right now.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to see the transition, because look, Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. At Ou used to love the wife. I
Speaker 1: used to tune into use game even his freshman year,
Speaker 1: coming in as a true freshman and playing about this
Speaker 1: kid is ridiculously good at that level. I just you know,
Speaker 1: we see it every year. A college football player that's
Speaker 1: elite at a position and he makes that transition and
Speaker 1: he's no longer the same person. And I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see what he looks like. I want to see. I
Speaker 1: want to go to practice to see what he looks like.
Speaker 1: Because if he has made that transition, who boy, whole boy,
Speaker 1: Because now you have a guy that can really work
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and it's not just about
Speaker 1: to catch his catchability yet. If that carries over, that's
Speaker 1: a different weapon, totally different. Yeah, you're you're right about that.
Speaker 1: What some of these highlights we've seen where he's just
Speaker 1: catching the bubble screens and then we've been through people.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a player on this roster that can
Speaker 1: do that kind of stuff, right, So you're right about that.
Speaker 1: And I think Gallup, I mean to me, Gallup has
Speaker 1: a chance to really be the Alvin Harper of Like
Speaker 1: you can't double everyone, you just can't fell safety. So
Speaker 1: go win, you you know your battle. I think Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin's gonna get a lot of open looks, you know
Speaker 1: down the scene. You just can't cover everybody. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's first up. As I've heard you mentioned Jarwin's name
Speaker 1: a ton over the last year. I think you've I
Speaker 1: think you've been pro jarrowin there for a while. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You got me, you got me wrong, because no, no,
Speaker 1: I listen and I tell you anybody don't don't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, hey, just like I'm loyal to
Speaker 1: my guys twenty eight, I'm loyal to eighty two as well.
Speaker 1: I was I was. I'm pro Witten all the way.
Speaker 1: All I've said about Jarwin is we just don't don't know.
Speaker 1: And part of it was because Whitten was in the
Speaker 1: way and Whitton never got off the field. I get it.
Speaker 1: So Jarwin's gonna get a chance to really do some things.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, and I think athletically, I think
Speaker 1: he's he's really good. I just I wonder about, hey,
Speaker 1: can he be that blocker that you need? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna be as consistent? But with this offense, he is
Speaker 1: going to get opportunities to do some good things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think the one thing you're going to see
Speaker 1: with jar one, especially what the other three wide receiver,
Speaker 1: is the middle of the field will get stretched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to get You're gonna have to do some
Speaker 1: work defensively. One of the hardest things to do is
Speaker 1: you have a wide receiver such as Amari Cooper. You're
Speaker 1: always worried to concern about him. So it takes a corner,
Speaker 1: possibly a safety to double him or keep an eye
Speaker 1: out on looking for him, roll coverage his way or whatnot.
Speaker 1: Now you got backside, he got backside one on one,
Speaker 1: whether it be specifically if you have a tied end
Speaker 1: that can really run and stretch the middle of field,
Speaker 1: now that presents so many problems, or the opposite side
Speaker 1: of the field. So I look, I'm the best, I'm
Speaker 1: the biggest Winton fan, but I do think that they
Speaker 1: need to get more athletic at the position, and I
Speaker 1: think jar One can't build that role. All right, what
Speaker 1: was your best defense that when you were with the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be one of those with
Speaker 1: Dion right, Uh no, no, no, the best defenses were
Speaker 1: ninety two ninety three. And Deon is probably the best
Speaker 1: player ever play as he's the best deepensive players. Shut down,
Speaker 1: do his job, don't worry about him. He's gonna win
Speaker 1: his battles one on one. But when you look at
Speaker 1: that ninety two ninety three team and the defensive line
Speaker 1: rotation that was coming off bench, dude, we didn't have
Speaker 1: to cover. I was spoiled in the back end because
Speaker 1: it was one thousand and one without that ball. Better
Speaker 1: be out of your hand, Steve Young. She was calling
Speaker 1: him out. Okay, Um, before you get you know, you
Speaker 1: start naming those guys, it's probably better that you don't
Speaker 1: say Dion because there's there's not a DN in the
Speaker 1: league right now, no my opinion, So forget that. Nobody
Speaker 1: has that. So if on your best defensive team, let's say,
Speaker 1: let's call it ninety ninety three, because I want you
Speaker 1: definitely being in one of the starters ninety three or
Speaker 1: ninety four. Um, how do you how does that defense
Speaker 1: go up against this Cowboys team that on offense that
Speaker 1: we expect. What are y'all trying to do here? Because
Speaker 1: you got you know, Cooper is going to be out here,
Speaker 1: Gallip will be over here, a CD all over the place,
Speaker 1: and did he got Zeke back there? Kind of defense
Speaker 1: would you even think about to try to go up
Speaker 1: against this offense? Look, I mean times have changed, man, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a hard that's like a hypothetical base
Speaker 1: basically based on the fact that you know, in ninety two,
Speaker 1: you guy can basically grab you at a lot of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: pull you down till it on your shirt. I had
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Larry Brown on the outside, I was working
Speaker 1: with the slot. We had Robert Bailey, a lot of
Speaker 1: got different guys who are playing in the slot. This
Speaker 1: is ninety three those seasons, you know, and then the
Speaker 1: other safeties and all. So that's a tough match. That
Speaker 1: would be a damn there impossible matchup for us to
Speaker 1: win across the board, like individually, because they're gonna get there,
Speaker 1: especially the way the game is played now. Individually, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get their wins hands down. I think the differences
Speaker 1: is having a pass for us, a legitimate pass rush
Speaker 1: on every down coming off the edge, either it be
Speaker 1: you know, Charles Haley or Tony Tolberd or bringing pressure
Speaker 1: from the inside or Russell Maryland. At some point, it's
Speaker 1: almost like like we just said, you gotta double somebody.
Speaker 1: You're gonna double Haley. You better believe now you're working
Speaker 1: one on one on the inside. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: push that that defensive line had up the middle of
Speaker 1: the We're gonna push the same thing when you saw
Speaker 1: when we put well through the young sucking on the
Speaker 1: lollipop back too. But you see, you're not serious, right,
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you every game
Speaker 1: you played in nineteen ninety two and the score of
Speaker 1: the games. So don't don't don't start with that stuff, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Okay. So, uh, you know when we when
Speaker 1: playing the Super Bowl and Jim Kelly gets hurt because
Speaker 1: the pressure was so much in his face, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: get hurt. He get hurt by Ken Norton. That's the
Speaker 1: way Norton Junior hit him. Yeah. Ken Norton Junior is
Speaker 1: the one that actually heard him in that game that
Speaker 1: was fifty two to seventeen that y'all won. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember the game. So that's how that's that's the
Speaker 1: way you would play this team. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think anytime you played the Cowboys, you got a
Speaker 1: pressure because you're not gonna I mean, especially now if
Speaker 1: CD is who he is, it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: defend them across the board. Um, in one on one situations,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get double. Hands down, he's getting double. Now,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be up to gallop in CD and Jar
Speaker 1: want to win one on one battles. Just just just
Speaker 1: thinking about all that and just thinking about your offensive
Speaker 1: line and how you know I picked in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I thought the best position this team has is his
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I just think that Tyrant is one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league still and Lyell is one
Speaker 1: of the best right tackles. That right there, that position
Speaker 1: is so solid. You got a running back core that
Speaker 1: that I think is really good. Then you got the
Speaker 1: receivers in quarterback. I mean your quarterback position is really
Speaker 1: good too. You got a backup now that that started
Speaker 1: so many and Dad's ready I think to take it
Speaker 1: to the next level. Um, I'm gonna ask you one
Speaker 1: more question and then and then I know you gotta go. Um.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's some animosity? There will be
Speaker 1: animosity Dak this team they get the deal done. Do
Speaker 1: you think Dak is professional enough to say, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: worry about it when it's time to worry about it.
Speaker 1: I have a job to do. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: do his job. He's gonna stay true to who he is.
Speaker 1: And what have we seen with Dak Prescott outside of
Speaker 1: him not getting his deal done and he and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys not getting this done? Still done. He's been professional
Speaker 1: in the locker room. He's been professional far to build
Speaker 1: up to the season. As far as his work ethic,
Speaker 1: He's going to be professional. He's probably gonna be even
Speaker 1: more so going into this year because you can imagine
Speaker 1: if he has a light of lights out season this year,
Speaker 1: what that's going to look like next year and the
Speaker 1: pressure that's going to put on the organization with Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: and that he's going to be a sour in the
Speaker 1: locker room. That's not that's that's kid. He's gonna come
Speaker 1: to play. He wants me, and I think he want
Speaker 1: he has that chip on his shoulder where he wants
Speaker 1: to show everyone that he is the guy in the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Tell us about your podcast. I know you
Speaker 1: had Michael Ever on the other day. You got Tyler Kless.
Speaker 1: That's on there with you. You guys are you guys
Speaker 1: are doing it weekly? Right? Doing it weekly? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: got who was some of the guests you got coming up?
Speaker 1: You got anybody hard. It's hard to top Michael. That
Speaker 1: was That was awesome. That was outstanding awful. Listen and
Speaker 1: I lost you. I lost you the first second there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's okay, okay, what's all got me now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got you now. So we had we just did
Speaker 1: Eric Crescy yesterday, who is for all those that are
Speaker 1: that are baseball fans and baseball players or have young
Speaker 1: kids that are that want to play baseball. Eric Cresci
Speaker 1: is the guy that works with shoulders. Uh. He works
Speaker 1: with over one hundred MLB players that come and train
Speaker 1: with him with about arm strength, pitching, whatever position player
Speaker 1: you want to be. But there's a phenomenal job working
Speaker 1: with them. So any kids that are out there are
Speaker 1: families or moms and dads that want to talk baseball,
Speaker 1: tune into our last week's show. But we have so
Speaker 1: many guys that have come on again, you mean, and
Speaker 1: Mike Troy came on about a month ago and it
Speaker 1: was the first time and I've known Troy forever and
Speaker 1: we got into the depths of you know, his transition
Speaker 1: from his childhood, how he was brought up this time
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma uh, And it was the first time that
Speaker 1: we really pulled back that onion of Troy as the
Speaker 1: person I've ever heard anyone for. So but you know,
Speaker 1: we have so many more. We have Dion coming on
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to get my boy Emmett to
Speaker 1: get on here, assumed. And it's not so much about
Speaker 1: the podcast. It's not so much about where they are now.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about the story of the journey
Speaker 1: of Emmett, you know, as a kid, the ups and downs,
Speaker 1: the highs and lows, or the winds and losses, and
Speaker 1: what made him who who he is today. So that's
Speaker 1: the that's the the Darren Witchard show man. It's all
Speaker 1: about the journey going forward. So that's right now. Can't
Speaker 1: can't wait to check check those out. And and you
Speaker 1: told me a story one time about Troy Aikman that
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Just I think you were going through
Speaker 1: some kind of weird financial thing and something that happened
Speaker 1: and he got in the newspaper and he pulled you aside,
Speaker 1: and you were still a young guy at the time,
Speaker 1: and pulled you aside and said, you know, ask for
Speaker 1: you know, if he could help you with anything. And
Speaker 1: that was a Troy that you didn't even know existed.
Speaker 1: I don't think at the time I had no idea this.
Speaker 1: And that was a ninety four or ninety three, ninety
Speaker 1: four man. He stepped up to the plate, man and
Speaker 1: the true leader that he was just you know, gay man,
Speaker 1: you know, shoulder to lean on. So he was phenomenal. Man.
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal on the podcast as well well. And
Speaker 1: I know this because I got to cover you at
Speaker 1: the end of your career and those shoulders that you had.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of young, defensive backed, young players
Speaker 1: any side of the ball leaning on your shoulders as well.
Speaker 1: That there's there's never really, in my opinion, been a
Speaker 1: defensive leader like you on our you know, on this
Speaker 1: team that I've seen in the last few years. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you said you were what fifty fifty one? I think
Speaker 1: you can still No, no, no, yes, it's not really
Speaker 1: that much difference. Yeah, my brain tells me that got Yeah,
Speaker 1: my body is saying, hell no, I'll stop paying. You're
Speaker 1: lying to you. But but I can say this, Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm still the big the number one Cowboy fan in
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, I believe that blue and that
Speaker 1: star means so much to me, man, and the fan
Speaker 1: base has always been great to me. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the years, and my family and and also you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the same guy and I want to see you
Speaker 1: in the Star and I want this team to go
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Bro me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well a lot of times people say, man, you you've
Speaker 1: been there so long, you've seen it all, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I've never seen an NFC championship game. Yeah exactly. But
Speaker 1: but what you said about being you know, true to
Speaker 1: the you know cowboys, being a cowboy forever. Uh, that story.
Speaker 1: I know you when you went in the Ring of Honor,
Speaker 1: that was awesome, But the day you got told that
Speaker 1: you were going in, when Jerry was like, Darren, come
Speaker 1: on up here, and your first thought was grabbing getting cut,
Speaker 1: I mean You're like, oh no, I'm not a player anymore,
Speaker 1: so what could this mean? But just you know, you
Speaker 1: never played for anyone else. You know, you're Dallas cowboy,
Speaker 1: no shot in it and those guys that did it,
Speaker 1: but because you don't understand it, you know, but man,
Speaker 1: you're a Dallas cowboy forever and getting just I remember
Speaker 1: you talking to you that day. You were so happy,
Speaker 1: so relieved to finally get in and you're gonna be
Speaker 1: You're gonna be happy. Yeah, that day that that that
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen for you in Canton. I know it
Speaker 1: will I about wouldn't Wit made a decision to go
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. I was thinking about that same time.
Speaker 1: I was at the practice and I was downstairs. I
Speaker 1: was working at espand of the time when the Jones
Speaker 1: has asked me to come up to the tower and
Speaker 1: present to me to be there, you know, being the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor or whatnot. But I was sitting there
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about that moment, Man, and I
Speaker 1: just wish, like I love with Man, he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I just wish he would have thought through the process
Speaker 1: of you know, this is where I started, this is
Speaker 1: where it should end. I mean, that star, what he's
Speaker 1: meant to this organization for that many years, It's going
Speaker 1: to be hard. And I saw in it go to
Speaker 1: Arizona and broke my heart. Man, to watch him play
Speaker 1: with in another jersey. It's sort of the same thing.
Speaker 1: We tune in this year and we see eighty two.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's going to be number
Speaker 1: eighty two in Oakland. I mean, that's going to be
Speaker 1: a hard thing to take a look at, man, because
Speaker 1: you know, you know, once you start hearing with this organization, Man,
Speaker 1: I firmly believe needed end, especially when you're not twilight
Speaker 1: of your career, goad end of the at home. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me say this though, and this is a perspective.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had this perspective. I saw
Speaker 1: every time went and caught a pass last couple of seasons,
Speaker 1: you know, this year and then two years ago, and
Speaker 1: every time he gets tackled is all everyone's snickering in
Speaker 1: the lot in the press box, and then think he's
Speaker 1: too old, all this stuff. When he made that one
Speaker 1: handed catch against the Rams, everybody was like, what, who's that?
Speaker 1: And he's heard about it and he's I think he
Speaker 1: still feels like he can play. You know, he wanted
Speaker 1: to come here, and he wanted to come here. Let's
Speaker 1: make no mistake that the head coach did not want
Speaker 1: that to be a part of what they were doing.
Speaker 1: So you know, he still feels like he could play.
Speaker 1: I kind of I get it. But man wearing that
Speaker 1: black and goal. Yeah, well, I'm glad we're not playing
Speaker 1: him in the preseason or you know, not not having
Speaker 1: to see it. Of course, he's not the only one.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of former Cowboys over there, coaches and players.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the where it goes. But hey, maybe
Speaker 1: he just wants to go to Vegas. You know who knows.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you got somewhere to be. It's
Speaker 1: went way longer than than we were supposed to go,
Speaker 1: but I could. I could go another hour, just because
Speaker 1: it's so great catching up with you, so thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Woody, no problem, man, get
Speaker 1: back in touch with your brother. We'll talk later. To go,
Speaker 1: Jared Woodson, see it. That's one on one Cowboys break.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.