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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Well, it is an offseason version of
Speaker 1: Mixed Shots, and I thought here inside the us WBC
Speaker 1: podcast studio we might get a there. It is there.
Speaker 1: It is exactly exactly what I was hoping this reministion
Speaker 1: that is that for the Senior Bowl coming on. No,
Speaker 1: it's not for the Seminar Bowl. You know, we can't.
Speaker 1: I love it, but you know, it kind of lifts
Speaker 1: my spirits a little bit because gray outside. But it's
Speaker 1: really not still Bray. No, it's not not today, not today,
Speaker 1: not today. There's a reason that we are playing Stampede
Speaker 1: because the off season starts now. And there's good news
Speaker 1: here in cowboy Land. To William, the defensive coordinator is
Speaker 1: staying still here. Dan Quinn remains a Dallas Cowboy. He
Speaker 1: wants to win a Super Bowl a year from now,
Speaker 1: and so he is staying. And so that's why we
Speaker 1: start off Mix Shots with stamping that is a that
Speaker 1: is a really optimistic stretch there, William. But I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'll take it that it's finally coming out from under
Speaker 1: the cli. I can see a little slow glimmer, even
Speaker 1: though it's a cloudy day you're in Frisco, Texas. There
Speaker 1: is a light that we see and he was under.
Speaker 1: I mean so many people were Interviewingham, planned interviews. He
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in Chicago yesterday for an interview.
Speaker 1: He interviewed with the Giants, the owners, the president, the
Speaker 1: new general manager, the vice president of player personality. He's
Speaker 1: good friends with the Broncos owner new owner and he's
Speaker 1: supposed to get that job, and interviewed with the Vikings
Speaker 1: and Jacksonville along that. Mostly he informed everybody. It's been
Speaker 1: reported that he is pulling out and staying with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I mean, he had the Giants, the Bears,
Speaker 1: the Broncos, the Vikings in Miami either interviewed or scheduled interviews.
Speaker 1: And I thought the Giants think might be real just
Speaker 1: because of going back home. Basically grew up on the
Speaker 1: other side of the Hudson in New Jersey, and you know,
Speaker 1: he interviewed well everywhere, Oh the guys from the Giants
Speaker 1: dot com are our good friend. Schmelk called me and
Speaker 1: we did an interviewed on Thursday when we were talking
Speaker 1: about you know him and what he does, and he goes,
Speaker 1: what's his best quality? And I said, well, if he
Speaker 1: wants the job, if he walks into a room and
Speaker 1: they interview him in person, he will get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of just his personality and resume. You're right, and
Speaker 1: what he did hear the dramatic, but you know, I
Speaker 1: always just the way he sort of tiptoed into it,
Speaker 1: I had this sneaky suspicion this is going to have
Speaker 1: to be perfect, wanting to wait until after the season
Speaker 1: before he did any of the and just the way
Speaker 1: he answered, I know that's what happened. Guys. Okay, See,
Speaker 1: I was one of those guys came out of college.
Speaker 1: I was never recruited from out of high school. It
Speaker 1: was never a big deal. I didn't get any of
Speaker 1: those trips, recruiting trips and things that nature. When I
Speaker 1: finally left the Cowboys, I had a chance to go
Speaker 1: to Seattle and then New York. To me, that's my
Speaker 1: recruiting trip. I'm reliving that. I never not reliving I
Speaker 1: never had a chance to live that. I think with him,
Speaker 1: I think he just likes to travel. This is like
Speaker 1: like like if you would have got that recruiting trip
Speaker 1: to Hawaii, you would have taken it. I wouldn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: not a stage, but I would have gone on recruiting
Speaker 1: trip I got. He's just enjoying himself. He's being quoted.
Speaker 1: They got three he got a free trip back home.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's trip to Chicago for Denver. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just taking vacation. I went back and and I
Speaker 1: remember when all this came up and he had this
Speaker 1: quote out there and said, I think for me coming here,
Speaker 1: I wasn't coming here to look at what my next
Speaker 1: job would be. I wanted to come in here and
Speaker 1: have a blast and hopefully kick ass and make an impact.
Speaker 1: If those moments come, I'll be ready for them if
Speaker 1: the right scenario came about. But honestly, I'm having a
Speaker 1: blast right here with this crew, and and we're going
Speaker 1: for it. That's where my mind is. So this was
Speaker 1: before the playoffs started, so you know, just listening to that.
Speaker 1: Um So it sounds like probably his representative, it's being reported,
Speaker 1: but probably called these teams and said, hey, we're we're
Speaker 1: staying here. And it's not like he hadn't been there before, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, And I don't know which came first,
Speaker 1: because the Bears announced their hirling Matt Eberflus, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: former linebackers coach, and this will make you feel hold,
Speaker 1: the Broncos hired Nathaniel Hackett, the son of Paul Paul Hackett,
Speaker 1: who is now authority. Yeah I didn't know him. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And Hackett was here for three seasons eighty six,
Speaker 1: eighty seven, and eighty eight with the coensive coordinator. Well, no,
Speaker 1: he was. Paul Hackett was coach a Pit before Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so he ended he's a Cowboys offensive coordinator and then
Speaker 1: he was at Pitt and then wound up in Kansas
Speaker 1: City and the end and actually right, yes, and actually
Speaker 1: he's the reason McCarthy ended up at Kansas City because
Speaker 1: he left Pitt. I think he got fired. He went
Speaker 1: to Kansas City and he brought McCarthy along as off
Speaker 1: or a quality control colleague control. Yeah, McCarthy was. He
Speaker 1: was a GA and then wide receivers coach at Pitt
Speaker 1: under Paul Hackett and then Hackett got hired by Marty
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator and McCarthy was there throughout.
Speaker 1: And so Nathanial Hackett now forty two years old. He
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen seventy nine, so he would have
Speaker 1: been at Pitt probably as a ball boy when McCarthy
Speaker 1: was on the staff with Paul Hackett, he would have
Speaker 1: been what ten to twelve years older and that time,
Speaker 1: and then in Kansas City too with when Joe Montana
Speaker 1: was quarterback in Kansas City. Had always had the he
Speaker 1: always had that enthusiastic attitude about himself. You know. I
Speaker 1: think he really did love being here in Dallas, you know,
Speaker 1: playing coaching on the time, and there was a time
Speaker 1: that it was thought that he might succeed Tom Land.
Speaker 1: That's why he was so happy when he got here,
Speaker 1: and he was so unhappy when he left because he
Speaker 1: really thought that that was going to be. He thought
Speaker 1: he was the next He really did, because he came
Speaker 1: into the lock of home and he was excited all
Speaker 1: the time. And then as things started to weigh a
Speaker 1: little bit, you can kind of see his enthusiasm. He
Speaker 1: and Tom I don't think well, I think that got
Speaker 1: forced on Tom, and then he knew that the Hackett
Speaker 1: knew that, and so Hackett knew that Tom did not
Speaker 1: appreciate that. So because there was that, and if you
Speaker 1: remember what happened, Tex wanted Stoutner out as defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: And so basically even before Tom the sale went down
Speaker 1: and Tom was removed, Hackett was going one out because
Speaker 1: of what texts forced them to do with Ernie Stottner.
Speaker 1: And let's give let's give Ernie his love. Ernie like
Speaker 1: the youngest Pro Football Hall of Famer ever electively, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, so I want yeah, yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: But also when Hackett got here, there's that eighty six season,
Speaker 1: and things started pretty well in that eighty six number one,
Speaker 1: number one offense in the league, until Danny White had
Speaker 1: his wrists broken and broke a ligament in there or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call. And then they bloom came
Speaker 1: up with Paul Hackett. Rose. Yes, it did quickly well.
Speaker 1: I went from six and two to seven and nine.
Speaker 1: I want, I want to get this in before the
Speaker 1: breaking at the beginning. Do y'all know what today is?
Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, No, no, no, it's not, it is
Speaker 1: it is January twenty seven. But I gotta put my
Speaker 1: anniversary in there, guys a few days ago. But you know, uh,
Speaker 1: he's trying to save face. He must have forgotten. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no no. I mentioned it on the podcast. You're
Speaker 1: looking it up on your phone. See it's okay, man. No,
Speaker 1: this is the twenty fourth anniversary of my giants victory
Speaker 1: over the fourty. Oh there you go. Okay. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to come. I thought Bill was gonna finish it
Speaker 1: for me. Again, when you mentioned the anniversary, I was
Speaker 1: thinking or personal. Well that is personal. Yeah, that's two us. No,
Speaker 1: but this is the day we kicked that booty man
Speaker 1: and I ended up going to uh end up going
Speaker 1: to Tampa and playing in the Super Bowl. So we
Speaker 1: had to beat San Francisco first fifteen. So it's my
Speaker 1: anniversary too because I was at that game. Oh wow, cool.
Speaker 1: And you saw a little Matt Barr. Matt Bar, you
Speaker 1: and Matt Pobbly the same height. Yeah, a little Matt
Speaker 1: gave us five field goals? Was it? Fifteen thirteen? Fifteen thirteen,
Speaker 1: baby class thirteen? That was that. That San Francisco team
Speaker 1: was supposed to be one of the best teams in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL, and I remember writing the reason, uh,
Speaker 1: San Francisco didn't win is because the Giants didn't let
Speaker 1: Joe Montana have one more shot at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. They had the ball, and well, yeah, he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was sitting up on the bench. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he was laying on it. That was the key. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said. They said, what happened? Joe said, what do
Speaker 1: you have? He said, what does it hurt? He said,
Speaker 1: everywhere I have? The lawns. Taylor pretty much knocked him
Speaker 1: into Kansas City. That's what I say. He didn't wake
Speaker 1: up till he until he got to Kansas City. But
Speaker 1: that was the last play for him, if I'm not
Speaker 1: mistaken as a forty nine interesting So it all tied
Speaker 1: together with Paul Hackett in Kansas City and then Joe
Speaker 1: Montana and Kansas City. You go, Montana woke up in
Speaker 1: Kansas This is a tangent, but I saw him get
Speaker 1: beat up like that. At Notre Dame season opener nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Missouri beat Notre Dame and their former head
Speaker 1: coach Dan Divine, Dan Divine three to nothing, and they
Speaker 1: they they stopped. They stopped Notre Dame inside the five
Speaker 1: yard line, like in golden goals situations, like three times,
Speaker 1: and Divine was so up at he he we're not
Speaker 1: kicking a field goal and tie, and we're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game right. And afterwards there was an Elton John
Speaker 1: concert on campus and we finished our work, went into
Speaker 1: a bar, and who comes in by himself, walking with
Speaker 1: his arms pinned to his side was Joe Montana. Because
Speaker 1: he got the living daylights beat out of him. Why
Speaker 1: is he there by himself? Why where was he? Where
Speaker 1: was that concert? No? No, no, not at the concert.
Speaker 1: At the bar, he walked by himself, and he was
Speaker 1: just beat up. I mean, he was beat up so bad.
Speaker 1: He didn't no one walked in with him. He was
Speaker 1: by himself. You want to tell you want me to
Speaker 1: tell you my Joe Montana bar story from about that
Speaker 1: same era. Wait, let me finish? Okay, So so did we?
Speaker 1: I said, I said it was Elton John. It was
Speaker 1: Billy joel Okay, I remember his famous song right about
Speaker 1: then Catholic girls start much too late. They prohibited him
Speaker 1: from singing that song at that concert Notre Dame campus.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go all right, my little and write
Speaker 1: a little Joe Montana story. Okay. This was when the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame played the Cotton Bowl against Houston and it
Speaker 1: was icy there. Yeah, okay, and Joe Montana, you know,
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame, he did not I mean he went
Speaker 1: for a couple of years at least without even playing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a late bloomer at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: and so but he had a great last season there
Speaker 1: led him to Cotton Bowl. So it was Christmas week, Okay,
Speaker 1: Christmas week. I'm at with friends at up your Alley
Speaker 1: on Greenville. Yeah, that was my spot with Bony and Wilson.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right. But anyway, so the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame football team had arrived in town that day, and
Speaker 1: so they were hanging out at the bar and I'm
Speaker 1: back playing pool with friends whatever. And there was a
Speaker 1: guy that looked like the manager of the Notre Dame
Speaker 1: football team. Huh, because he looked like me. He was
Speaker 1: a smaller guy. Okay, smaller guy played and play him.
Speaker 1: I played pool against whatever. The next morning, I wake
Speaker 1: up front page of the Dallas Morning News. There's a
Speaker 1: picture of the Notre Dame football team getting off and
Speaker 1: it's the guy I played pool against the night before
Speaker 1: with a big old ten gallon hat that they gave him.
Speaker 1: It was Joe Montana. Oh come on, man, how could
Speaker 1: I had no idea who who he was? He wasn't Jail,
Speaker 1: that's right, it was before he was Joe Montana. By
Speaker 1: the way. At the end of that year, didn't he
Speaker 1: make the great come back against Houston? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he starts off in Missouri like that, it ends up
Speaker 1: in the Cotton Bowl, one of the coldest games, by
Speaker 1: the way, right, he ended up in the Liberty Bowl.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Missouri, you're have to be proud that
Speaker 1: Matt Ebraflus, a former coach at Missouri, is a head
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL, and of course former linebackers coach here,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, we met, um, No, it was here.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of Zoom Zoom and I met in
Speaker 1: seventy nine as he was a graduates head coach. Was good,
Speaker 1: he was real good here, and had they not hired
Speaker 1: him when they did, he probably would have been the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator here at some point. Well. And and you
Speaker 1: know he had so much respect for Rod Marinelli, right too, exactly,
Speaker 1: And so he winds up and going to Indianapolis, and
Speaker 1: they've had a pretty good defense up there, and uh,
Speaker 1: now he gets his chance. So it'd be interesting to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it came down to Quinn Abrafluce whatever,
Speaker 1: and was was Quinn offered it or was right exactly,
Speaker 1: So we don't know which came first. Did I pull
Speaker 1: out or after I knew I wasn't getting the job.
Speaker 1: That always kind of takes place. But that's good news
Speaker 1: for the cowboys. And remember we've got an hour show,
Speaker 1: so yes we do. Yeah, so we're we're gonna hang
Speaker 1: with this. Well now, so how good is the Mislike, um,
Speaker 1: how good is the news that Dan Quinn is coming back? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's really good news to you know,
Speaker 1: have some cottinude with the defense, you know, and and hey,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a couple of really good players
Speaker 1: that maybe he looked around and said, okay, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: staying with these guys. They're just good players. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a young player that he can deal with. That part,
Speaker 1: to me probably makes him stay more than anything, because
Speaker 1: where you're going to find that type of youth and talent,
Speaker 1: but anywhere on the Cowboys defense. You know, you just
Speaker 1: can't jump at the first head coaching job that comes
Speaker 1: around after you know, obviously it was and his experience
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He learned a lot from that experience to
Speaker 1: making sure that it's the right spot to go to,
Speaker 1: especially when you've got a great job as it is
Speaker 1: right now, especially great young talent on this Dallas defense, right,
Speaker 1: and he as I think it was Tom whoever, Tom
Speaker 1: Pelliser whoever, said, Okay, he should be a hot name
Speaker 1: again next year. Okay, yeah, he should be a hot
Speaker 1: name again next year if things if things go right.
Speaker 1: And you also, if you're going to take a head
Speaker 1: coaching job, what's the first thing, Well, the first thing
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at is the organization, right, Howard's run
Speaker 1: the GM. Now, who's my quarterback? Because there's a reason
Speaker 1: why these other guys are getting fired because they didn't
Speaker 1: have a quarterback usually, right, Don't think of the name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: think of the teams that he interviewed with and where,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Jios in their quarterback situations. Quinn
Speaker 1: probably defense and said, oh Jayala Smith on this team,
Speaker 1: I'm out. No, you know, Miami, who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen with Minnesota, you know. So yeah, so Quinn stays,
Speaker 1: and UM, I'm wondering if that affects what Joe Whit
Speaker 1: Junior does, because I was thinking if he went somewhere,
Speaker 1: he was going to try to bring Whit with him
Speaker 1: with him, uh as his defensive coordinator. And he's had
Speaker 1: I think three teams, if I'm not mistaken, Uh, I
Speaker 1: want to interview him Baltimore, Seattle, and I think it
Speaker 1: was Cargo too, or maybe it was Denver, uh for
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator job, so he was in demand too.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'll you know, I guess you. You
Speaker 1: don't have to let him leave to be a coordinator,
Speaker 1: do you if you're under contract? And what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember, if you're up, it's an upward move. And Okay,
Speaker 1: what is officially his title here? Pass game coordinator? So
Speaker 1: does that count? Coordinator job? That's just that just gets
Speaker 1: you a raise. It doesn't get you a coordinator per se,
Speaker 1: because there's only three coordinator positions on a team by
Speaker 1: the NFL standards, Offensive, defensive, and special teams all right,
Speaker 1: report out there among the names expected to receive second
Speaker 1: interviews from the Dolphins Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel, and Bill's OC Brian
Speaker 1: day Ball Giant more a second interview in Miami, and
Speaker 1: the Giants are acting like Dayball's their guy. Everything I've
Speaker 1: read so far in the papers up there. Uh, the
Speaker 1: new GM came from Buffalo, I believe. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 1: you gotta be patient in New York, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't expect someone to just go in winning. You know.
Speaker 1: I think what they saw with Judge was no no improvement, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There was no progress. Then
Speaker 1: they saw a quarterback sneak on a third and eight
Speaker 1: from the three yards. Yeah, that was degress. So as
Speaker 1: long as you don't show those characteristics as a team
Speaker 1: and as a coaching staff, you know you can, they
Speaker 1: can show you patients, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be a quick fix up in New York. No.
Speaker 1: And you know what I think I read where you know,
Speaker 1: the new GM was talking about, Okay, we got to
Speaker 1: fix this offensive line, right, we got to fix our
Speaker 1: our defense. And that takes and and and and I
Speaker 1: think the story was about them saying, oh no, it
Speaker 1: was the owner saying that we put too much of
Speaker 1: the blame. Not we, but too much of the blaine
Speaker 1: was put on Daniel Jones, that we need to find
Speaker 1: out what he is like because they got to pick
Speaker 1: up They have the opportunity to pick up his fifth
Speaker 1: year this year, and are you going to do that
Speaker 1: or you're gonna let him play, see what happens and
Speaker 1: then you can franchise. I never thought they put a
Speaker 1: good offensive line around here. No, they did. Then the
Speaker 1: injuries must have come up and bidden them in the bud.
Speaker 1: And I'll guarantee you that probably one of the reasons
Speaker 1: if Jason, Garrett and Judge putted heads. You know, Jason
Speaker 1: wanted to put an offensive line out there and they
Speaker 1: just didn't do it, seemed to refuse to do it
Speaker 1: and tried to piece it together. But yeah, so now
Speaker 1: they used the fourth pick in the draft last year
Speaker 1: on a left tackle Andrew Thomas. Yeah, wrong guy? Huh
Speaker 1: did he play? Yeah? Think he finally got out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he showed some improvement initially in his second year,
Speaker 1: at the end of his rookie year and then the
Speaker 1: beginning of this year. Uh was was it? There? They
Speaker 1: spent the big money on the six nine tackle yeah
Speaker 1: Soldier so yeah, and uh and he opted out last
Speaker 1: year right and and high second round pick on Will Hernandez,
Speaker 1: a guard and he had got hurt. That was That
Speaker 1: was in twenty eighteen. So I mean recently they have
Speaker 1: they have spent some draft capital on um offensive linement.
Speaker 1: But you have to really like what Garrett did here,
Speaker 1: you with the offensive line here with first with Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith and then Travis Frederick and Zach Martin. You have
Speaker 1: to really invest in it. And there were eight and
Speaker 1: eight years that year that I was going to say.
Speaker 1: The patient still has to be the trial. You're getting
Speaker 1: these players. It's not like you know things are on hold.
Speaker 1: The season is not on the hold. You're still going
Speaker 1: to be trying to win games and most likely losing
Speaker 1: those games until you get the people that you want.
Speaker 1: And one of the things, other than one game this weekend,
Speaker 1: offensive lines made a huge difference, except for Cincinnati guy
Speaker 1: won a game getting sacked nine times? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: How many? How many touchdowns did they score? Did they
Speaker 1: score touchdown? Field goal kicker? The one goal kicker is
Speaker 1: the star rookie scored one a rookie, So they have
Speaker 1: not been able to finish in the red zone. No
Speaker 1: more than we have here in Dallas. A matter of fact,
Speaker 1: we're better than they are in regards to that. And
Speaker 1: they still won the game against a heck of a
Speaker 1: squad that they play again, I say, this past weekend.
Speaker 1: And how about that's four of the best games I
Speaker 1: think I've say nine ers won a game without scoring
Speaker 1: an offensive touchdown. That crazy. Okay, we need to get
Speaker 1: into that. We also need to get into the other
Speaker 1: elephant in the room, and we will, Oh yes, we do.
Speaker 1: And it's speaking of coaches. It's a big one. Okay.
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Speaker 1: The big news of this week, what would it be, Mickey? Well,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton decided that he was going to step away
Speaker 1: as the head coach of the New Orleans Saints after
Speaker 1: sixteen years fifteen seasons because he got suspended for one season,
Speaker 1: so he missed that one season and as he pointed
Speaker 1: out during the ninety four minute press conference. This is
Speaker 1: not retirement. We're not talking about retirement. He basically said,
Speaker 1: I'm stepping away. Don't know what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: But he basically pointed out that he thought at some
Speaker 1: point it would involve football again, possibly coaching, but just
Speaker 1: not this year. So you know what happened, right, what happened, Well,
Speaker 1: everybody took two and two and got six at him
Speaker 1: that the reason he was stepping away was to come
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, and he was pretty specific about
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm not coaching this year. Pretty sure,
Speaker 1: he said, pretty sure. So you know, he's got three
Speaker 1: years left on a contract. But you never know how
Speaker 1: the contract was written, because you remember it was two
Speaker 1: years ago when this all came up again and they
Speaker 1: basically did everything they could to keep him there in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. So they may have given him a contract
Speaker 1: that's not like anybody else's contract, right, because normally, if
Speaker 1: a guy quits a team and he's still on the contract,
Speaker 1: if you want him, you got to pay dearly in
Speaker 1: draft choices to be able to do that, and I
Speaker 1: would think for him the asking price would be a
Speaker 1: well first round picks. Uh So, but who knows what
Speaker 1: the contract says. He may have a clause in there
Speaker 1: that you know, releases him right away. Yeah, who knows
Speaker 1: arf he just sits out a year. Who knows that,
Speaker 1: you know, they can come back and do something else
Speaker 1: the next year. So I would imagine this is going
Speaker 1: to hang over the Cowboys head for quite some time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is gonna be the top of the offseason.
Speaker 1: He's no doubt and the season. Yeah, um, you mean, like,
Speaker 1: like so this is whatever if the Cowboys lose a
Speaker 1: game past And he also went into that, well that's
Speaker 1: how we've done broadcast one of our games, and he
Speaker 1: put that's a disaster, right, He put that out there
Speaker 1: by the way he said, you know, he goes, there's
Speaker 1: and he goes and let me set the record straight
Speaker 1: on this. He goes, there's all these reports out there
Speaker 1: that I'm going to jump into the media, radio, TV,
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know what, I haven't talked to anybody.
Speaker 1: And he went on to say he called his agent
Speaker 1: and said, am I missing something? But then he said,
Speaker 1: but you know what, he said, I think I would
Speaker 1: like to do that, and I think I'd be good
Speaker 1: at him. It wouldn't be exactly. He didn't didn't need
Speaker 1: to be any conversation right now, you can just tell
Speaker 1: he did. How long was that press conference? Ninety four minutes? Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go, yeah, right, and you know what, he
Speaker 1: answered every question and they kept coming. At some point,
Speaker 1: I'm going people are going to run out of questions? Right?
Speaker 1: How much more can you ask him? How is he?
Speaker 1: How was he in each of his press conferences? Is
Speaker 1: he that open? He about his He apologized for how
Speaker 1: he was when he first got there because he had
Speaker 1: a little bit of Bill Parcel's in him when he
Speaker 1: started right, and probably after went in a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: After the Super Bowl, he lightened up and evidently they
Speaker 1: started a new deal there. It was a Christmas Every Christmas,
Speaker 1: there was some sort of ice cream shop in New
Speaker 1: Orleans that was famous, and he sent ice cream to
Speaker 1: all the media guys that covered the team every year.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked about it, right, or we're gonna still get
Speaker 1: our ice cream? He goes, oh, yeah, sure, I'm not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. You probably talked with Jimmy Johnson somewhere along
Speaker 1: the way. Yes, I'm sure figured out. Okay, here's how
Speaker 1: you get the media on your side, right, and you
Speaker 1: go during training camp, right after practice, go across the
Speaker 1: street to that Mexican restaurant restaurant and drink a few
Speaker 1: hide Kens with the media, and you'll get him on
Speaker 1: your side. He actually went to went as far as
Speaker 1: to say, I appreciate every one of you talking to
Speaker 1: the guys that were asking questions. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a big media contingent, right, you got basically one
Speaker 1: newspaper naturally, two Baton Rouge counts covering you, and then
Speaker 1: the smaller papers in the outside area. It's a smaller
Speaker 1: market in New Orleans, and you know. So, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he uh, he's gonna, he's gonna he's another guy he
Speaker 1: gets in the room, he's gonna talk walking into hiring. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so it's whatever he wants to do. But he's
Speaker 1: going to get a broadcasting job, and it's going to
Speaker 1: be a high profile one. And I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be so good at it that he's going to
Speaker 1: make so much money doing NFL games. Why do I
Speaker 1: want to work this hard right coaching? Right? And and
Speaker 1: it may be a studio, who knows, But I think
Speaker 1: I like him as a TV person. I think I
Speaker 1: would like him in the booth doing games or so
Speaker 1: than in the studio. Yeah, because he has all the knowledge.
Speaker 1: He's got a romo thing. They see the field. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are in the booth. They
Speaker 1: don't see the field. They see the ball, but they
Speaker 1: don't see the field as as fans. We only see
Speaker 1: the ball, right, So then the guy I need him
Speaker 1: help me out. Yeah, he's gonna let you see further
Speaker 1: into the play. How old is he about? Eight? Okay,
Speaker 1: but he seems younger than that, yes, you know, and
Speaker 1: so uh you don't you know, just thinking about it,
Speaker 1: you don't see very many obviously, John Madden was an exception.
Speaker 1: You don't see very many coaches go into the broadcast
Speaker 1: booth calling game. There's usually former players that are doing that,
Speaker 1: and the coaches go to the studio. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Cowe. Gruden was an exception to Bill Kower. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cower studio right, but yeah, yeah, studio not color though, no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: analysts yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think Peyton would be
Speaker 1: one of those that if he's and he seems to
Speaker 1: have the energy to do it. You know. Obviously the
Speaker 1: difference on that is you're traveling to different stadiums whatever.
Speaker 1: I would think that they would like that. But he
Speaker 1: even threw out a He even threw out a Ted
Speaker 1: Lasso mentioned. Now I've never seen it. I haven't there's
Speaker 1: something that Lasso does. He gives the owner maybe cookies
Speaker 1: or something like that. And so when he first started,
Speaker 1: he said something about ted Lasso, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, we don't have cookies here in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: We have Benyas. And he got up and he had
Speaker 1: a box of Benyas and gave it to Missus Benson,
Speaker 1: who is the lady owner. Right, And and so that
Speaker 1: that's going to endear him even more to TV executive, Right,
Speaker 1: Any pop culture references that you can make, Yah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that that brings the non sports fan with all
Speaker 1: the other stuff that's happening now with um is it Amazon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's talk that they're talking with Aikman about Amazon.
Speaker 1: I guess the Thursday games. I'm not that an ABC
Speaker 1: with l Michaels for Monday night. So Amazon is going
Speaker 1: to be sponsoring. They've got games, they'd be streaming games
Speaker 1: right Thursday nights. And so so there's there's talk that
Speaker 1: there that they might hire Troy to be their analysts
Speaker 1: and then there would be an opening at Fox and
Speaker 1: on the A team. And so that's Thursday Night games,
Speaker 1: is it is? I'm not sure. I thought that's what
Speaker 1: they were separate streaming it. I don't think it's the
Speaker 1: only way to get it. But I thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, they're streaming with their own broadcast team, yes,
Speaker 1: and so we can pick it up on I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, they're going to force come on,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not happening as well. They're doing it,
Speaker 1: and you know they're doing it here locally, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't if you don't get Bally Sports, you don't
Speaker 1: get the Mavericks or the Stars. M that's right. What
Speaker 1: is this world coming to? Money? Money? That's right. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, the Peyton thing, uh, you know, and and okay,
Speaker 1: so here to clear that up. And I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at a story on Troy. Uh. He becomes a broadcasting
Speaker 1: free agent after Sunday, okay, and he is weighing offers
Speaker 1: to return to Fox, jump to Amazon Prime and do
Speaker 1: the new Thursday Night package on that streaming service, or
Speaker 1: do both. Okay, So there's a chance he would do
Speaker 1: both and and and and there was a report the
Speaker 1: other day al Michaels is kind of in that loop there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if his contracts up at NBC, but
Speaker 1: they're kind of looking at him too. So anyway, I've
Speaker 1: seen this out there, and I went and did it myself.
Speaker 1: This comparison between Sean Payton, what he did in New
Speaker 1: Orleans what Mike McCarthy did in Green Bay, it's very similar.
Speaker 1: It is the numbers, it's eerily similar. And by the way,
Speaker 1: he told the story that when he was here after
Speaker 1: he finished the O five season with the Cowboys, he
Speaker 1: interviewed for the head coaching job in OH six with
Speaker 1: the Packers and McCarthy got that mccarthury ended up getting
Speaker 1: And he said he had gone had the interview, was
Speaker 1: in New Orleans for the interview there, and he said
Speaker 1: he got a phone call from Ted Thompson, the GEM
Speaker 1: and he said the phone rang and I saw the
Speaker 1: Green Bay area code, you know, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the Packers job, right, you know.
Speaker 1: When he grew up in suburban Chicago, went to Eastern
Speaker 1: ill Oh yeah, Naperville, Naperville, Illinois, and and he's going
Speaker 1: and he got all excited, and they called him to
Speaker 1: tell him that they went a different direction. He said,
Speaker 1: I took my phone and I threw it in the pillar. Right,
Speaker 1: at least they called it, and then he got the
Speaker 1: Saints job, right. So anyway, so Peyton and he won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl before McCarthy did. The year before they
Speaker 1: won back to back oh nine, and then and then
Speaker 1: twenty ten. The McCarthy so fifteen seasons in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: he went one fifty two eighty nine a six thirty
Speaker 1: one percentage. Thirteen seasons in Green Bay, McCarthy went one
Speaker 1: twenty five, seventy seven and two a six eighteen winning percentage.
Speaker 1: Sean was nine and eight, and post games season postseason games,
Speaker 1: McCarthy was ten and eight. They each won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: each had Hall of Fame quarterbacks. They each had Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterbacks. You got that right, um Peyton. Peyton
Speaker 1: won seven division titles with the with the Saints and
Speaker 1: played in three NFC title games. Um Mike ended up
Speaker 1: with four NFC UH title games, went one in three
Speaker 1: and six division titles, so they almost were exactly in
Speaker 1: those years. Someone asked him about his ongoing UH tussle
Speaker 1: with referees and bad calls doing crucial games. I'm sure
Speaker 1: someone asked him his opinion on, Yes, asked Sean Payton
Speaker 1: about his opinion on those don't plays that Yeah? Really
Speaker 1: they really? I mean, I don't think think think he
Speaker 1: got he got it did not. What's the word I'm
Speaker 1: looking for in that Minnesota game? Yeah, what's the proper word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was. That's what you're looking for. But
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about that, that that defined
Speaker 1: his career for the most part, as much as Katrina
Speaker 1: right defined their career as a team. He's right, he's
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl again, and then they'd be
Speaker 1: ahead of McCarthy. Then he would be aheader, right, And
Speaker 1: just think about that, man, I mean, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: and that played, that non call was against the Rams.
Speaker 1: It wasn't against the Rams right there, right, Yes, From
Speaker 1: then on, he's that seemed to be a pattern every
Speaker 1: time they got into a big game, the referees throwing
Speaker 1: some crap on them in their complaining, just like the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys about how the referees are always school in
Speaker 1: the Saints. So you're wouldn't be in favor of him
Speaker 1: coming to Dallas. Then if the referees are going to
Speaker 1: keep that, he would have to consider that stuff, and
Speaker 1: he should consider before he makes his decision if he
Speaker 1: wants to come back. Right to your point, Mickey Um,
Speaker 1: going by that track record, they all already have Sean
Speaker 1: Payton here as the head coach the game from from
Speaker 1: a record standpoint, very similar. Well, I think I think
Speaker 1: what happened was there was this perception that Peyton, you know,
Speaker 1: Sean took him to the Super Bowl every year, or
Speaker 1: they had all these went. Now. The difference though, is
Speaker 1: the Packers had get this note, the Packers had thirteen
Speaker 1: consecutive winning seasons are now thirteen consecutive seasons of at
Speaker 1: least five hundred until two thousand and five when they
Speaker 1: went four and twelve. So from nineteen ninety two to
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, well, they had Brett Farve, and
Speaker 1: they had Brett Farve Peyton when he got to New
Speaker 1: Orleans the Saints from nineteen ninety three to two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, eleven of those thirteen seasons, we're not winning
Speaker 1: seas we only had Saints. They only had two in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, nine and seven in two thousand.
Speaker 1: They were ten and six, and they hadn't won a
Speaker 1: division title since nineteen ninety one, and so during those
Speaker 1: years were again what for which one for the Saints
Speaker 1: ninety three through two thousand, all right, and their quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were Wade Wilson, the late Great Wade Wilson, Jim Everett,
Speaker 1: Heath Schueler, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug nuss Meyer for one
Speaker 1: game in nineteen ninety seven, Terry Collins, Danny Werfell, Billy
Speaker 1: Joe Tolliver seven games in nineteen ninety nine, and Billy
Speaker 1: Joe Hobert for seven games in nineteen ninety nine, Jeff
Speaker 1: Blake in two thousand, Aaron Brooks until two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: that's when Mike McCarthy was there, and then final and
Speaker 1: so Aaron Brooks was the quarterback until Drew Brees got
Speaker 1: there in oh six, is when Sean Payton got there
Speaker 1: as well. So they had those quarterbacks and the Packers
Speaker 1: had Brett Park and from when that was from ninety
Speaker 1: three through six. So Steve Burline before that, boom boom hoop,
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys traded him. See Walsh, Steve Walsh, Yeah, Walsh,
Speaker 1: you're thinking good time was John furkde in there too.
Speaker 1: Four quarterback, he was Uh at least did a game
Speaker 1: or two, and I love eighty seven through ninety. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, after being traded from the Cowboys to the Saints,
Speaker 1: Walsh started eleven games in four kade five games, but
Speaker 1: he took them to a division title in ninety one,
Speaker 1: and the Saints wanted. The Saints want to sign me
Speaker 1: Uh as an undrafted free agent. They were one of
Speaker 1: the teams, the Buffalo bill keep those Louisiana guys, the
Speaker 1: Grambling Gay. They thought I was gonna fall for it.
Speaker 1: Did you get a recruiting trip? No, I wasn't gonna.
Speaker 1: They didn't offer me a paper bag to go up
Speaker 1: with my trip, so I was no way I was
Speaker 1: going to New Orleans with That's all. I remember his
Speaker 1: bags on the heads, so it's no way I'm going there.
Speaker 1: So okay. Sean Payton had a lot of success with
Speaker 1: New Orleans with Drew Brees as his quarterback, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: with first Brett Farve, then Aaron Rodgers, and now as
Speaker 1: you look ahead to the conference championship games. Who thought
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was a good coach until last year when
Speaker 1: he got Joe Burrow, who knew him exactly right, And
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the great coaches in history, right
Speaker 1: Belichick ed Brady. When Jimmy Johnson got this job as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys head coach, I remember because my twin sisters,
Speaker 1: she was a huge Cowboy fan and just loved Tom
Speaker 1: Landry and she was so mad and her being an
Speaker 1: OU grad, they hired Jimmy Johnson and oak Club is
Speaker 1: state coach to coach. And I said, here the other
Speaker 1: thing about it, he's going to be successful right off
Speaker 1: the bat because he's about to be coaching Troy Yman
Speaker 1: and one right off the bat. But yeah, poor Troy
Speaker 1: when they always have to put everybody's records out there,
Speaker 1: that old and eleven really kid rookie year. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the money he's getting right now that put a nice
Speaker 1: band aid on his feelings. All right, We got one
Speaker 1: more segment to go here on mix shots about we
Speaker 1: look back and look ahead these playoffs and you know
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Speaker 1: got a legal pad you got papers strewn all over
Speaker 1: the desk over there. Before we get into the what's
Speaker 1: going on in these playoffs? Is there anything else that
Speaker 1: you would like to bring up that's on your padge?
Speaker 1: They got so much stuff here. If not, we'll proceed on. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, let's do this. And I went back, you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody is so distraught over the Cowboys loss, right,
Speaker 1: your feeling that ain't all that? And because they went
Speaker 1: twelve and five one to division, Well, when you go
Speaker 1: back and look at it, the Cowboys half of those
Speaker 1: victories were against the NFC East, helping them to attend
Speaker 1: and two NFC record. The only conference losses were to
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and Arizona. What do they have in common there?
Speaker 1: Both playoff teams? Correct? The Cowboys when playing teams with
Speaker 1: winning records, went five and four, but two of those
Speaker 1: were over the Eagles, and we saw what the Eagles
Speaker 1: were in their first round of the playoffs. The Cardinals
Speaker 1: were in their first round, and the Eagles didn't play
Speaker 1: that last basically that last, which they probably should have, right,
Speaker 1: So they went seven and one against all the other
Speaker 1: teams Denver was the only team with a losing record
Speaker 1: to to to beat them, or that's the only one
Speaker 1: they lost to. And when it came to games against
Speaker 1: eventual playoffs teams, they finished three and four, and two
Speaker 1: of them were against the Eagles, and the only one
Speaker 1: they beat was New England. And we saw what happened
Speaker 1: to them in the playoffs and in the regular season losses.
Speaker 1: In three of them, the Cowboys gave up thirty something
Speaker 1: in each game, thirty one to Tampa Bay, thirty to Denver,
Speaker 1: in thirty six in overtime to Los Vegas, and in
Speaker 1: those games they got beat, but they ended up scoring
Speaker 1: twenty nine on Thanksgiving against the Raiders, in thirty three no.
Speaker 1: Twenty nine against Tampa Bay, and thirty three on Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. So we saw a pattern of what
Speaker 1: took place in that playoff game. The other pattern we
Speaker 1: saw were in the games that they got beat, they
Speaker 1: didn't rush for more than eighty two yards, and what
Speaker 1: happened in the playoff game. They had trouble running the
Speaker 1: football and also the majority of their takeaways were against
Speaker 1: teams that had losing records. So I know we're all
Speaker 1: shocked at what happened. But I think we ignored the
Speaker 1: facts on some of the stats that really stuck out
Speaker 1: in the game. And when I when I was talking
Speaker 1: about the running in the twelve wins, the Cowboys rushed
Speaker 1: for at least one hundred and eight yards in eleven
Speaker 1: of those. The only one they didn't was the Dacklas
Speaker 1: game against Minnesota, they ran for seventy eight. San Francisco,
Speaker 1: by the way, ran for one hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 1: yards in the five losses Tampa, Bay, Denver, Kansas City, Vegas.
Speaker 1: In Arizona, the teams rushed for where is it at
Speaker 1: regular season ran for at least one hundred twenty yards
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. So what happened in the play off game?
Speaker 1: They got run on. So you know, if you look
Speaker 1: at if you just look at all that stuff, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was shocking they got beat. But I think we
Speaker 1: ignored some of the warning signs. No we didn't, spags,
Speaker 1: not in this room. We didn't. Not in this room.
Speaker 1: We didn't. You've given us more than enough information to
Speaker 1: where we could see this coming. You know, we tried
Speaker 1: our best to give you know, some type of encouragement,
Speaker 1: you know, some type of light at the end of
Speaker 1: the tunnel type of thing. But that's not the way
Speaker 1: it was in this room. We always felt that there
Speaker 1: were gonna be issues every time that we started to
Speaker 1: lose the game. I think it's because our youth defensively
Speaker 1: that stops us or prevents us from making good adjustments.
Speaker 1: Once we go off the rails defensively, I think our
Speaker 1: youth does not allow us to make those adjustments, and
Speaker 1: we kind of panic mentally, we lose our poise. There's
Speaker 1: no more structure in what we're doing that comes from
Speaker 1: a lack of youth, and that's something that the coaches
Speaker 1: Quinn is going to have to work on as they
Speaker 1: get older. You have to depend on your more experienced guys,
Speaker 1: put them in position to make plays during those blowouts
Speaker 1: to where we can't stop anyone. And then we end up,
Speaker 1: of course, with the same pattern of a comeback, and
Speaker 1: we have to make a comeback, and the comeback is
Speaker 1: very difficult because we can't run the ball, which is
Speaker 1: the reason that we're in the position that we are
Speaker 1: in the first place. So now you've got your offense
Speaker 1: trying to get down the field. Hurry up, no huddle
Speaker 1: is the only thing that we have at our disposal
Speaker 1: when you cannot run the ball. So the pattern was there.
Speaker 1: We saw it every time it was mentioned on this
Speaker 1: show more than once. So that's just the weakness that
Speaker 1: we had to live with last year. We're going to
Speaker 1: have to continue to live with that weakness as we
Speaker 1: go further on in the future. See, and I think
Speaker 1: you have to take into account It's like, did teams
Speaker 1: gang up on the run and the Cowboys couldn't expect
Speaker 1: to four the Niners? They did exploit it with throwing
Speaker 1: the ball against basically cover two? Or is the design
Speaker 1: of the runs not what it needed to be, Or
Speaker 1: the offensive line played well and wins and they didn't
Speaker 1: play so well on lossus and they didn't play well
Speaker 1: in that playoff game, right and and so I just
Speaker 1: think there's got to be a big circle on that
Speaker 1: offensive line right now. I agree with that. Yes, you
Speaker 1: can't get past this fast. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: We you know, we we try to always offer a
Speaker 1: reason for it. We always try to offer some type
Speaker 1: of solutions, but that that has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: what they're thinking on the field. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: sounds good for us to see that pre and say
Speaker 1: we gotta do this, you gotta do that. At this point,
Speaker 1: they are what they are. And we started to always
Speaker 1: realize that because we were always happy about the I
Speaker 1: think our most our best moment in this in this
Speaker 1: room was when we beat uh when we beat the Patriots.
Speaker 1: You remember that, who was so happy about how you
Speaker 1: know they had they had one and in Boston for
Speaker 1: a minute and all that kind of stuff. So you
Speaker 1: we had those moments, but they were very they weren't consistent, right,
Speaker 1: and they in talking about those takeaways. So they finished
Speaker 1: tied for first turnover differential with a plus fourteen, but
Speaker 1: in the in the five losses, they were minus one
Speaker 1: in takeaways, and in that playoff game it was zero one.
Speaker 1: And and and let's let's let's let's also realize what
Speaker 1: it is. We are extremely on discipline. So our youth
Speaker 1: keeps coming, it keeps popping its head up, Our inexperience
Speaker 1: keeps popping his head up. There are games and moments
Speaker 1: in the games where we can fuss about all our shortcomings.
Speaker 1: But if we would have just not committed that big
Speaker 1: penalty on third down, not commit that big penalty on
Speaker 1: a huge run, that penalty in position for a field goal,
Speaker 1: not commit that penalty when we're trying to get out
Speaker 1: the end zone area, and now you're putting us back
Speaker 1: further because of a holding call. We are an extremely
Speaker 1: undisciplined team when it comes to penalties, and I don't
Speaker 1: know who to look to for that. You look to
Speaker 1: your head coach, of course, But if I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my offensive line, then what's my old line coach teaching them?
Speaker 1: You know what? What kind of shortcomings is he dealing
Speaker 1: with that they cannot overcome? Because those penalties put us
Speaker 1: in the hole that we're in now. And let's just
Speaker 1: be real, the penalties of the reason we're not playing
Speaker 1: right now. And as Everson's pointing out, the Cowboys led
Speaker 1: the league in penalties. I never thought I hear that, right,
Speaker 1: we have led the league and penalties, and what happened
Speaker 1: in the playoff game fourteen fourteen, So we are what
Speaker 1: we are. We are what we are old denigree. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if we have
Speaker 1: time to do this, but we were talking before we
Speaker 1: started the show about how the Rams were able to
Speaker 1: get to the ball and spike it with four seconds.
Speaker 1: So here, here, here, here, here's basically what happened. If
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the back judge in that Rams game,
Speaker 1: thirteen year veteran Todd Prukop, they would have never got
Speaker 1: that forty nine yard field go off to win the game.
Speaker 1: The Rams were at their own forty four yard line,
Speaker 1: snapping the ball with twenty eight seconds remaining, Stafford completed
Speaker 1: the pass to Cup for forty four yards forty four
Speaker 1: yards to the Tampa Bay twelve. When Cup went down,
Speaker 1: I was watching on the replay. There were twenty one
Speaker 1: seconds left in the games and the Rams were out
Speaker 1: of time out. So with the clock running, here are
Speaker 1: the Rams making a mad dash for forty four yards
Speaker 1: right offensive to try to get there to stop the clock.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where the forty yards. That's where the
Speaker 1: forty yard time time comes in. Now that's right, combine,
Speaker 1: go to the combine this way. That's the one time
Speaker 1: that it matters that it offensive lineman can run a
Speaker 1: five flat, so they were able to. They got there,
Speaker 1: got set and spiked the ball and five seconds so
Speaker 1: there was four seconds left, five that long five seconds.
Speaker 1: That's when they got He made sure everybody was that
Speaker 1: got to the ball with eight and he just made
Speaker 1: sure everybody was set. And then the last guy from
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay came diving off line, so he wasn't off sides.
Speaker 1: So uh so, basically they got it spiked the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If we look at the last ending, the ending of
Speaker 1: the San Francisco game, the Cowboys were on the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty one quarterback draw with fourteen seconds to go,
Speaker 1: Dack sliding in at the twenty four for just a
Speaker 1: seven teen yard game. And when he slid there were
Speaker 1: nine seconds left, right, And I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at it, and so Tony Romo's yelling find the ump,
Speaker 1: find the yump, and it was like, well, Tony, guess
Speaker 1: what the jump wasn't there, right? He didn't show up
Speaker 1: to like two seconds left, and his only seventeen yards
Speaker 1: and he didn't have that fire to go. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the difference. The umpire in the Cowboys game was coming
Speaker 1: from twenty eight yards away. When Cooper Cup went down,
Speaker 1: the guy closest to the ball was the back judge,
Speaker 1: and the back judge spotted the ball. So the ball
Speaker 1: had already been spotted with like fifteen seconds to go
Speaker 1: in the game. You know that's because they realized a
Speaker 1: mistake was made in allagame. I wonder if they looked
Speaker 1: at me and I was talking. I was talking with
Speaker 1: an official college guy, and he basically pointed out that
Speaker 1: if if the ball is close enough to the back judge,
Speaker 1: he spotted. The back judge in the Cowboys game was
Speaker 1: standing on the goal line twenty expecting a Hail Mary.
Speaker 1: I guess right, And he didn't move. And in this game,
Speaker 1: he was expecting what everybody else at the stadium was expecting,
Speaker 1: to throw to the end zone. Job, is he gonna defended? No,
Speaker 1: but he's got to be back there too. He got
Speaker 1: a call pass interference or whatever, but he had to
Speaker 1: get back there. I mean he kind of ran up right,
Speaker 1: and and the guys, you're going to be behind the defender.
Speaker 1: But my point is the back judge when you were
Speaker 1: looking for the more might trying to be a smart alect.
Speaker 1: The most invaluable guy for for the Rams was that
Speaker 1: prow cop because he spotted the ball and then backed
Speaker 1: up to where he needed to go. Because that umpire
Speaker 1: and then back up. And they need change that rule
Speaker 1: because they changed it previously when they did move the
Speaker 1: umpire behind the offense in the last five minutes of
Speaker 1: the game, they put him back behind the defense, knowing
Speaker 1: there could be hurry up situations, right, And then they
Speaker 1: changed that and said, no, you're back there all the time.
Speaker 1: It's a safety safety and so I would imagine. So
Speaker 1: that's my rule for bad judge to spot the ball
Speaker 1: is because he he knows he's going to spike it
Speaker 1: and he'll t have time right after the time match.
Speaker 1: But with the hill Married, like you were saying, everybody's
Speaker 1: looking for the hill Mary, so he's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: running up to spot the ball because i gotta be
Speaker 1: back here. Then the play didn't come to him as far.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but had they spiked the ball in time,
Speaker 1: then he could have backed up for the hill Married, right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just I noticed it when I watched
Speaker 1: the game. I said, look how far they went in
Speaker 1: that little bit of time. They need bigger reporters to
Speaker 1: go in and talk trash. Y'all are scared. I wish
Speaker 1: I was a reporter. You want to be the reporter.
Speaker 1: They're like, I know you guys talk to the guys
Speaker 1: in Gallas. So that's why you guys fix things up
Speaker 1: for us from this particular game and everything ready for it,
Speaker 1: because I know y'all talked about it. I want an
Speaker 1: answer right now, and that's what I'd be said up there,
Speaker 1: way Nord, We'll have to talk to the Pro Football
Speaker 1: Writers Association and just nominate. Let's get in there to
Speaker 1: be the reporter that they're pucking. Y'all. Man, y'all going there,
Speaker 1: look at these little guys, y'all in all sheep's like,
Speaker 1: can I have an answer? Get out of here? Man?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one more question? Man? Have some
Speaker 1: more By the way, there's there are reports out there
Speaker 1: CD Lamb is going to be added to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: There are another glimpse of sunlight. Yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: we go outside, if the sun just so, we are
Speaker 1: going to convene. And by the way, also that took
Speaker 1: place in this last week. Randy Gregory had his niece scope.
Speaker 1: He had some loose body is in there or something
Speaker 1: they cleaned up. So he should be ready for the
Speaker 1: start quote of the off season. Yeah, and what's his
Speaker 1: contract status? He is a free agent unrestricted free agent
Speaker 1: strictly probably should take up a segment of our yep
Speaker 1: and so in our next show, which will be Monday,
Speaker 1: Monday thirty we're switching out next week Monday, so we'll
Speaker 1: be wrapping it up thirty, so it'll be our first
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about the Super Bowl match up and
Speaker 1: which will be who will be playing in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are going to be in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against I think the Rams are going to
Speaker 1: go against Kansas City. Okay, Rams, Chiefs there, what do
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm going to take the Niners in the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and I'm going to take the Niners and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs too. They got something going. I think they scare
Speaker 1: the Rams in about it. I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to scare them twice or three times. Did you see
Speaker 1: what they're doing at so far? They they the Rams.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to buy a ticket, man, and is
Speaker 1: that messed up off of their off of their website, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the secondary marketing, do what you want, but
Speaker 1: off of the Rams, uh set ticket office. They're checking
Speaker 1: zip codes in them. It's not in the LA vicinity
Speaker 1: because there's no Niner fans that live in LA. Right, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because that's what happened. Right. It wasn't like they all traveled,
Speaker 1: but they do travel well, No, but they still they
Speaker 1: lived there, all right, just like they lived here. All
Speaker 1: the people come in here with their all their money,
Speaker 1: selling their houses and buying houses here twice the size
Speaker 1: for the same amounts. Yeah, that's why they were all here.
Speaker 1: But that really didn't make much of a difference. Although
Speaker 1: I did see some red in Green Bay. They actually
Speaker 1: made it. My business partner made the trip that was
Speaker 1: bugging the heck out of me. The Cowboys. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. That was a bucket list thing for him.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say no. But if you had a
Speaker 1: bucket list to go see a game in Green Bay
Speaker 1: and wanted to see what Green Bay was, why we
Speaker 1: got cold weather and you got snow. Yeah, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: Why why would anyone have that on their bucket list?
Speaker 1: Because they saw the Ice Bowl and they said, well
Speaker 1: that was cool unless you had to play in the
Speaker 1: dark game. All right. So that does it for this
Speaker 1: edition of mix Shots, and we will be back at
Speaker 1: you on Monday. It will not only be your first
Speaker 1: chance to hear about the Super Bowl matchup, it will
Speaker 1: be your first chance to talk about the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: as well, which next week. All right, So we'll chat
Speaker 1: at you again on Monday. Here on mix Shots Cowboys.
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