Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tzapolski,
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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday evening, and this is an iPhone day.
Speaker 1: So app released a new iPhone, a new some watches,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, and it's you know, that's big, I guess.
Speaker 1: So I thought we'd talk about it. Lyra's here with me,
Speaker 1: and Lyras Smith, my producer, and really I think of
Speaker 1: you know, I think of her as a friend as well.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that we are friends.
Speaker 2: That's very nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean it's from the heart, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, she's contractually obligated to work on
Speaker 1: the show, so I don't know if if it's the
Speaker 1: feeling is totally mutual, but I'm choosing to perceive it
Speaker 1: as a friendship and anyhow, so I thought we'd rap
Speaker 1: a little bit about the iPhone and maybe some other things.
Speaker 1: To be honest, my energy is very low this week.
Speaker 1: The onset of fall I think has somehow. I love fall,
Speaker 1: but you know, I feel like summer. I don't know,
Speaker 1: summer seemed short to me. It's been very hot and
Speaker 1: humid here. Maybe it's just the weather. I feel like
Speaker 1: something's happened where I just feel like I need to nap.
Speaker 1: I need to hibernate. But anyhow, before I hibernate, we
Speaker 1: should we should talk about what's going on in the world,
Speaker 1: and namely what just happened with Apple new iPhone, a
Speaker 1: brand new iPhone, the iPhone fifteen. I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you're up to fifteen, you should start calling it something else,
Speaker 1: like fifteen's too high of a number. I think, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do like the iPhone twenty? It seems dumb.
Speaker 1: I would start giving it cool names, like like how
Speaker 1: they name cars called like the iPhone Cheetah or like
Speaker 1: the iPhone Lancer, the iPhone Vagabond, right, huh yeah at
Speaker 1: any rate? Yeah, totally No, I uh, there is an
Speaker 1: Apple event today. I completely forgot about it. It's just
Speaker 1: a sign of the times. It's very interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: it used to be. I feel like it used to
Speaker 1: be a really deal when they would release a new iPhone.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy. People used to line up for them.
Speaker 1: Maybe they still do. I don't know. Imagine lining up
Speaker 1: for an iPhone. Just imagine like waiting in line to
Speaker 1: get an iPhone. Can you imagine it? Have you done it?
Speaker 2: No? I can't remember the last time I got in
Speaker 2: a line to purchase something other than like a fun food.
Speaker 1: Thing, like like a crow nut.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't even get a credit, but I
Speaker 2: got There's like a hot chicken place here that was
Speaker 2: really really.
Speaker 1: Popular, and you stood in line for a chicken.
Speaker 2: Was sitting in line for like two and a half hours,
Speaker 2: and I had the time of my life.
Speaker 1: That's fucking nuts, honestly.
Speaker 2: And then at the very end, a guy tried to cut.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not good, and I said no, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then the person in front of me let him cut.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, why would you do that?
Speaker 2: So then I told the person at the register, yeah,
Speaker 2: what happened, and they they like went all.
Speaker 1: Out, like the confiscated his sandwich.
Speaker 2: We got all our food served free for one and
Speaker 2: then those people got like banned and they didn't get
Speaker 2: their food and it was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a cop you are. Look at you? Who
Speaker 1: are a real cop?
Speaker 2: Well? I am a cop when it comes to chicken
Speaker 2: that I have stood in.
Speaker 1: Line, lines and lines. No, I think that's very rude
Speaker 1: to cut in line. People who cut in line are
Speaker 1: not good people. I don't know. I think maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've certainly gone to the front of lines, but like
Speaker 1: in an airport when you're lining up, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of confusion usually and people don't know
Speaker 1: where to stand, and you just kind of like work
Speaker 1: your way in.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm cutting most of the time.
Speaker 1: But like people who like willingly or willfully cut into
Speaker 1: a line where people are waiting, They're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can I just go up here. It's on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you know they're smart, right, because they're just they're they're
Speaker 1: counting on the goodwill of other people, and they are
Speaker 1: using the good will of other people to get in
Speaker 1: ahead in life, which you know it's a user mentality.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a good position to be in,
Speaker 1: like psychologically. So on the one hand, you know, they're
Speaker 1: very clever, right you cut in line, you use the
Speaker 1: goodwill of another person to get into a spot ahead
Speaker 1: of everybody else. On the other hand, they it seems
Speaker 1: like a really pretty stupid and ugly practice. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's something really offensive about it, right, Like you
Speaker 1: don't have to wait like everybody else waited. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, you know the best way to deal with
Speaker 1: this is to never wait in a line, which is
Speaker 1: my policy. Like there's almost nothing i'd wait and a
Speaker 1: ligne for, I mean very little I would like stand
Speaker 1: in line for. I'm trying to think of the last
Speaker 1: time I was in a line, like besides the airport,
Speaker 1: which doesn't really count, right, I would say, because you're
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I need to get a hot dog,
Speaker 1: You're like, I have to get on this plane no
Speaker 1: matter what, so I might as well get into the line.
Speaker 1: I stood in line for a movie.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, yeah, that's what I was going
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honestly, I don't remember. It's possible
Speaker 1: some time in my life I stood in line for
Speaker 1: a movie. Definitely probably happened like when I was younger,
Speaker 1: But uh, I couldn't tell you anything I've stood in
Speaker 1: line for recently. Yeah, I mean I had like a
Speaker 1: grocery store or something, but that doesn't I don't think
Speaker 1: that counts either. Anyway, I hope the chicken sandwich was
Speaker 1: worth it or whatever it did you got? I mean,
Speaker 1: was it good?
Speaker 2: It was incredible?
Speaker 1: Oh? There you go. Was it anything like a double down,
Speaker 1: because I've had that? The double down is the double decker?
Speaker 1: No double down, it's a KFC.
Speaker 2: The chicken is the bun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chickens the bun, and then I forget what's in between.
Speaker 1: Maybe I want to say bacon in between. The chicken
Speaker 1: is like the meat.
Speaker 2: Like a VLT.
Speaker 1: It's like something like a BLT, but instead of bread,
Speaker 1: it's got chicken, which is like, you know, sure, why not?
Speaker 2: You know I had one of those?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had one too. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Wasn't this This is like ten right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was a long time ago. I mean that
Speaker 1: it was not recent history anyhow. So Yeah, Apple released
Speaker 1: a new iPhone today completely completely, That's how we got
Speaker 1: all this topic. It's people waiting in line for iPhones.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a testament to where technology has
Speaker 1: taken us that nobody really cares about the new iPhone.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to imagine caring about a new
Speaker 1: iPhone in any way, Like, will I get a new iPhone? Probably,
Speaker 1: you know, will it be incrementally better than the last one? Definitely?
Speaker 1: Does it matter? Not really? Not really? You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I see a video on the internet, like somebody comparing
Speaker 1: the cameras of two smartphones, and I can't believe people
Speaker 1: are still doing this after all this time. I mean,
Speaker 1: to be fair, I did it for a long time,
Speaker 1: but just interesting, you know. I feel like the world
Speaker 1: we've got bigger problems right now.
Speaker 2: I saw an interesting video about how the moment that
Speaker 2: celebrities partying and public ended was the weekend that the
Speaker 2: iPhone was released.
Speaker 1: You're saying, because of the iPhone or the rise of
Speaker 1: the camera in everyone's pocket, celebrities stopped partying in places
Speaker 1: where they would be visible and have pictures taken of them.
Speaker 2: That's what this woman who was around at the time,
Speaker 2: and she said that the week before the weekend before
Speaker 2: all the celebs were like openly doing drugs, hooking up,
Speaker 2: like you'd go to a club in la and you
Speaker 2: would like see anybody doing anything. And then the same
Speaker 2: weekend that the iPhone came out was when Lindsay Loewen
Speaker 2: had the ankle monitor on, and within twenty four hours
Speaker 2: there were like hundreds of pictures from just regular people
Speaker 2: like on the Internet of her at a club wearing
Speaker 2: her ankle monitor.
Speaker 1: Right right, bad situation for her, And so that was
Speaker 1: like the end. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, for sure,
Speaker 1: the surveillance state we've all created has definitely behave certain behaviors.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, think about all of the things
Speaker 1: that we are now able to see and capture and
Speaker 1: share that are that would not have been possible without smartphones.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the many crimes of the police, you know,
Speaker 1: police officers killing people, which like before would just happen
Speaker 1: and people would just talk about it, but you had
Speaker 1: no evidence there.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't even hear about it.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even hear about it because it would just
Speaker 1: be people talking and that would be it. So stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, you know, think about like the
Speaker 1: like the capital the Capitol riots like that. The January
Speaker 1: sixth shit is like a bunch of these dufises were
Speaker 1: taking pictures of themselves and like you know, or taking
Speaker 1: pictures of other people, and uh, that's like led to
Speaker 1: a lot of people getting arrested and being put in
Speaker 1: jail for being insurrectionists. You know, it's I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a double edged sword. I mean when
Speaker 1: I think about what I've captured with my smartphone camera,
Speaker 1: like the moments in life that had been captured, the
Speaker 1: sheer volume of photographic and video recordings and sort of
Speaker 1: archives of our life and behavior, It's like never before,
Speaker 1: I mean, never before in the history of humanity have
Speaker 1: we been able to so document ourselves and access the
Speaker 1: document and reference and research and analyze the document of ourselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really weird time. I mean, it's strange.
Speaker 1: And that is all due to the smartphone that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, the celebrity thing is one thing, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's let's like pan out no pun intended,
Speaker 1: zoom out no pun intended to humanity, to regular people,
Speaker 1: and think about all of the things that people can
Speaker 1: be captured doing now, Like all the ways that they
Speaker 1: change how we interact with each other. And I don't
Speaker 1: just mean like social networks and stuff. I mean like
Speaker 1: what might you not do at a party because you
Speaker 1: know somebody's got a camera? What might you not say?
Speaker 1: You know? And by the way, these are maybe good things,
Speaker 1: good to be inhibited sometimes, right, Like inhibition is probably
Speaker 1: useful in a lot of situations. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: like Apple has a setting for like kids to like
Speaker 1: detect nudity in their photos in their messages, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing now that happens. Children are sending
Speaker 1: like nude photos to each other, or they're sending you know,
Speaker 1: kids are sending like photos of other people to people.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, like that shit wasn't happening when
Speaker 1: I was a child, Like it wasn't even possible. So
Speaker 1: the concept of it was just so far removed from
Speaker 1: anything that you'd have to ever consider. You know, people
Speaker 1: were worried about like TNA on MTV, which is the
Speaker 1: name of my new documentary about TNA on MTV. No,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's funny. I mean, but now
Speaker 1: our problems are so much more complicated and fast moving.
Speaker 1: But then on the flip side, as I said, what
Speaker 1: a world we've created. But it does really a bit
Speaker 1: like a surveillance state. I mean, like in one way,
Speaker 1: it's great, right because it's really hard for like serial
Speaker 1: killers to operate. I mean that's like that's a plot,
Speaker 1: I'd say, right, But now it's like mass shooters are like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to put it on Facebook, so you know,
Speaker 1: six one, a half dozen or the other or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like we see a lot more, we know a
Speaker 1: lot more we can capture and prevent, probably more now
Speaker 1: because of the way that cameras are ubiquitous. But it
Speaker 1: also has other implications that may not be as positive,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it feels like you're living in a police
Speaker 1: state created by you and your friends and family, you know.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, an argument would be, well,
Speaker 1: if you're not doing anything wrong, then who cares? But then,
Speaker 1: of course the counter argument to that would be who
Speaker 1: gets to decide what's wrong? But then, like that's a
Speaker 1: slippery slope into like a Ben Shapiro type of situation.
Speaker 1: It's like like like Alex Jones type of whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you can't go down that road. But let's
Speaker 1: just say serial killers have been really hurt by the
Speaker 1: rise of the smartphone and CCTV technology, which I think
Speaker 1: is probably a positive. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what your take is on that. You don't have to take.
Speaker 1: You don't have a hot take on serial killers.
Speaker 2: I don't have all I take on serial killers.
Speaker 1: Well, that makes one of us. It's dark stuff. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: it's the new iPhone. So it's the iPhone fifteen, the
Speaker 1: iPhone fifteen, I want to say, plus then there's another
Speaker 1: one called the iPhone fifteen Pro. And then there's another
Speaker 1: one called the iPhone fifteen Pro Mac. These are all
Speaker 1: great names. They're all great names, and the new iPhones
Speaker 1: and they have new features. I don't know. I used
Speaker 1: to get very excited about new things like iPhones, and
Speaker 1: now I feel nothing. I feel dead inside what I
Speaker 1: hear about a new iPhone. It's been a real journey,
Speaker 1: I think. Is it my age? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's just the state of technology. You know, we're
Speaker 1: in a real valley. We've been in a valley for
Speaker 1: a while. I think everybody had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a like a false start on AI. I mean, crypto
Speaker 1: and stuff has been a little bit of a false
Speaker 1: start but then AI is kind of the second false start,
Speaker 1: where it's like it's like things that exist that don't
Speaker 1: exactly solve problems and maybe don't solve them as well
Speaker 1: as everybody tells you they will. I think the iPhone,
Speaker 1: you know, solves some real world problems, and I think
Speaker 1: spoke to a real world desire for something. I think
Speaker 1: everybody was sort of had become very acclimated to what
Speaker 1: cell phones were capable of, and there was like what's
Speaker 1: the next step here? Like where does this go? I
Speaker 1: think that it makes a lot of sense where they
Speaker 1: took it. But I think we are in a valley,
Speaker 1: a real kind of vast valley right now. In terms
Speaker 1: of technological innovation. I mean, there are things going on
Speaker 1: that are amazing, but they're not exactly like world changing.
Speaker 1: You might argue, well, the electric the rise of the
Speaker 1: electric vehicle is you know, could be world changing, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the argument there could be, well,
Speaker 1: they use natural resources in other ways and they're very
Speaker 1: you know, resource intensive to produce, and you know, you'd
Speaker 1: have to replace every car on the road with an
Speaker 1: electric vehicle, which I will someday I assume happen. But
Speaker 1: is it like, is it a sea change moment for
Speaker 1: it's not really. The cars are still cars. They're not.
Speaker 1: They don't fly, you know, it's like we don't we
Speaker 1: still need roads. I think that the iPhone was like
Speaker 1: a completely new thing for most people, like a completely
Speaker 1: new idea of this, of this everything in your hand,
Speaker 1: everything in your pocket. I mean, it's like what we're
Speaker 1: talking about the camera stuff amazing and amazing situation where
Speaker 1: I follow a bunch of photographers on Instagram who are
Speaker 1: just amazing photographers and they're using an iPhone and their
Speaker 1: photos are, you know, incredible, and you're like, like, there's
Speaker 1: just billions of images being created every day, millions billions.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many it is, but just of
Speaker 1: everything just being snapped everywhere you can imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: and mostly most of them probably geolocated as well. It's
Speaker 1: like you think about the way we've kind of blanketed
Speaker 1: the planet in photography and in geolocation and you know, navigation.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. But I think, but getting back to
Speaker 1: the point about the iPhone, I think it served a
Speaker 1: real purpose, you know, at a moment that that purpose
Speaker 1: needed to be served. You know, electric cars, forrinstance, are
Speaker 1: simply an evolution of a car. It's a different way
Speaker 1: to build a car, but they do essentially the same things.
Speaker 1: Will that have a huge impact on the planet, the
Speaker 1: health of the planet, It's hard to say. At this point,
Speaker 1: it feels like the health of the planet. Maybe we
Speaker 1: may be a little bit past the window for great
Speaker 1: repair now we just you know, we're probably more like,
Speaker 1: I need a really good boat or something like, you know,
Speaker 1: is Apple going to make boats to get me out
Speaker 1: of the cities, the sunken cities of the world. Maybe
Speaker 1: someday electric boats, I mean, that could be a whole
Speaker 1: new category. Wouldn't be a game changer, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people could need boats in the near future.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you've seen the movie water World,
Speaker 1: it's a very realistic depiction of a future where the.
Speaker 2: World is Can you have an electric boat?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course you could charge a boat in the water.
Speaker 1: Could charge it. Yeah, you could charge it and then
Speaker 1: not kill anybody. I mean, you plug it in somewhere.
Speaker 1: Boat you could use solar. Wouldn't you need a lot
Speaker 1: of solar to charge it? I mean, you know, hypothetically,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a plug. You know, there's like a plug
Speaker 1: like on the dock. You know you can. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like some power running somewhere. There could be I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, electric boats exist. Okay, I'm not like making
Speaker 1: this up. They exist. I mean, here's a Wikipedia entry.
Speaker 1: Electric boat is a powered watercraft driven by electric motors,
Speaker 1: which are powered by either onboard battery packs, solar panels,
Speaker 1: or generators. So boats powered by electricity have been used
Speaker 1: for over one hundred and twenty years. So I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess not only are there electric boats, but they're
Speaker 1: like old technology for boats. So that's interesting. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: electric boats are a real thing, Okay, I mean they're
Speaker 1: like a whole thing apparently so at any rate, So,
Speaker 1: water World is a film starring Kevin Kostner where the
Speaker 1: world is covered in water, and honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever seen the entire water World. Now that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it, I have to put that on
Speaker 1: my letterbox. But I think the thing is like, you know,
Speaker 1: the only commodity is like fresh water or something. I
Speaker 1: want to say, maybe that's mad Max similar setup, I think,
Speaker 1: but at any rate, that could be us soon and
Speaker 1: people are gonna need boats and that's where Apple comes in,
Speaker 1: maybe just saying that's possibility. Yeah, it's interesting. We're in
Speaker 1: a technological valley. We are in a it's very incremental.
Speaker 1: Everything's very incremental. Everything's very like based on you know,
Speaker 1: if you loved If you love this technology, you'll love
Speaker 1: this one that uses a similar technology and does some
Speaker 1: stuff that's sort of similar but isn't exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest deal with the iPhone today do
Speaker 1: you know what the biggest thing is? The biggest announcement today?
Speaker 2: Is it the camera? No?
Speaker 1: Wrong?
Speaker 2: Wrong?
Speaker 1: If you hid lyra you continue to be incorrect about
Speaker 1: electric boats and now the iPhone. The biggest deal today
Speaker 1: is that they've changed the port on the iPhone. Okay,
Speaker 1: they've given it a new port. The lightning port is done.
Speaker 1: The light do you know what the lightning port is?
Speaker 1: That that's the you know whatever, it's the fucking thing
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the iPhone that has they think USBC.
Speaker 1: The USBC is what they're using now. USBC is what
Speaker 1: like all of their computers and the iPads us But
Speaker 1: for some reason they kept like a set of products
Speaker 1: using lightning ports, which was the iPhone, the air pods,
Speaker 1: and it's some other whatever now, so now every now
Speaker 1: it's going to be everybody has a universal standard. It's
Speaker 1: all just universally standardized.
Speaker 2: Weren't they like legally required to do that.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, in Europe. I believe Europe created a situation
Speaker 1: that was like required electronics manufacturers to make things like
Speaker 1: charging ports compatible because otherwise it's like incredibly wasteful to
Speaker 1: create lots of different standards that all do the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: and like you have to produce all of this extra
Speaker 1: stuff because of the change and the difference in the
Speaker 1: pins or whatever, and it's like not it's really like
Speaker 1: pretty stupid since everybody else is using a standardized like
Speaker 1: literally every other company uses the USBC standard and Apple
Speaker 1: has its own things classic Apple. Actually, they've done it.
Speaker 1: They've done it. They've done this quite a bit historically,
Speaker 1: where they have a port that nobody else uses or
Speaker 1: they're the first to use it, and it takes forever
Speaker 1: for it to be adopted, or it never gets adopted,
Speaker 1: or it only gets adopted a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: But that's cool. I think it's like you know, like
Speaker 1: like Fleetwood Max said, you can go your own way.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they said, is that the lyric?
Speaker 1: Am I misremembering.
Speaker 2: That that's the lyric.
Speaker 1: That's the lyric. So you know, they go their own
Speaker 1: way on a regular basis, and sometimes it pans out
Speaker 1: and sometimes it doesn't. I assume they made a boatload
Speaker 1: of cash selling lightning lightning adapter accessories. That's to me
Speaker 1: is where the money is anyhow. So yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's the tech news for the week, big technology news.
Speaker 1: But like the rest of the world, I mean, you
Speaker 1: think about it, like whatever's going on elsewhere is not good.
Speaker 1: There's like five thousand people who died in Libya because
Speaker 1: a damn collapsed, and then in Morocco there's been a
Speaker 1: terrible earthquake that killed like over a thousand people, oh no,
Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred, over twenty nine hundred people. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like, I don't know, it seems like the
Speaker 1: world is not doing well. Like out they're doing like
Speaker 1: a Biden impeachment because I don't know why they're like
Speaker 1: trying to impeach Biden over something like like I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but sure it'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun for us. I'm sure it'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of good, waste of everybody's time. I don't know, getting
Speaker 1: back to the iPhone, I want to tie everything into
Speaker 1: this conversation about the iPhone. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. I don't know. I mean, everything
Speaker 1: that's happening in the world is bad, and I don't
Speaker 1: really want to discuss it. You know, like I can't.
Speaker 1: What do I have to say about about the flood
Speaker 1: you know in Libya? I have nothing to say about it.
Speaker 1: It's tragedy, sucks. You know. Where we headed? Where's this
Speaker 1: all going? When does it end? Or is it just beginning?
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. Nobody can be sure. We're all just spirits
Speaker 1: wandering through this world, trying to find a final destination.
Speaker 1: You know, have you ever seen that film Final Destination?
Speaker 2: I love Final Destination.
Speaker 1: Do you I you know, no, I think, but I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever actually seen Final Destination. I know
Speaker 1: enough about it, but I don't think I've ever watched
Speaker 1: a Final Destination movie from beginning to end.
Speaker 2: We watched like three of them in one night last year,
Speaker 2: and it was really fun.
Speaker 1: The plot of Final Destination is like people survived like
Speaker 1: a crash or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were supposed to.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to die, and so so death comes
Speaker 1: after them in all sorts of inventive ways. Like they like,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're on a roller coaster and the
Speaker 1: roller coaster like rail detached and they go flying. They
Speaker 1: go flying. It's like shit like that, right, It's like
Speaker 1: it's not like they die of heart attacks, to die
Speaker 1: of their sleep.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very campy.
Speaker 1: The guys feel like, if you have the power to
Speaker 1: derail a roller coaster, why not just like float a
Speaker 1: knife and stab them or something, you know, why not
Speaker 1: just or why not just like strangle them with whatever
Speaker 1: power you use to derail the roller coaster? Or is
Speaker 1: it like subtle like there's this crew loose, like it's
Speaker 1: not clear what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more like that. It's like it you couldn't
Speaker 2: prove it, oh right.
Speaker 1: It all looks like it looks like it just it's
Speaker 1: just an accident. I think it'd be weird though, if
Speaker 1: like there were like five people in a plane crash
Speaker 1: and they didn't die and then they started dying with
Speaker 1: like in really unusual ways. I think people would be like,
Speaker 1: something weird is going on? Does that happen? In the movies.
Speaker 2: I feel like that they would call you a conspiracy
Speaker 2: theorist if you said.
Speaker 1: That, They would say that in the film. Is that
Speaker 1: what happens?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't think they say it in
Speaker 2: the film. I don't think there's enough of like a
Speaker 2: news story about it.
Speaker 1: No, I guess there would be. But I do think
Speaker 1: if like suddenly survivors of a plane crash started dying,
Speaker 1: I think there would be a news story about it.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Maybe I'm crazy, especially if they
Speaker 1: was like, it's like people in this town, right, they
Speaker 1: like live in the same town.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all high school students together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's right. I think it's it's a cool concept.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: Well, they've made seven of them, might think so.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know. I feel like the title
Speaker 1: is really misleading, clearly not. It's nothing final about this destination.
Speaker 1: So during the break, Lyra said she was going to
Speaker 1: get a h I think you said, jack and coke,
Speaker 1: and I admonished her for drinking and I and I
Speaker 1: sent her to the alcoholic Alcoholics anonymous.
Speaker 2: Website Alcohol Convention, the alcohol.
Speaker 1: I STO sent her to the Alcohol Convention. I sent
Speaker 1: her the AA website, and I sent her the meeting
Speaker 1: in her local area. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Of course,
Speaker 1: I love drinking, as everybody knows. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of alcohol. Of course, if it's not for you, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But I have been not drinking recently, or at least
Speaker 1: I have been attempting and somewhat succeeding to not drink
Speaker 1: on a fairly regular cadence and basis I think I
Speaker 1: go through these cycles where I drink and don't drink.
Speaker 1: Like you know, at the end of some cycle of
Speaker 1: not drinking, I'll decide, like boy, having a martini will
Speaker 1: be so awesome and it feels so good. But I've
Speaker 1: been smoking weed more smoking weed. That sound like I
Speaker 1: sound like a billion years old when I say it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I've been I've been smoking. I've
Speaker 1: actually been vaping weed, which I find much more enjoyable
Speaker 1: than smoking like a joint or something. I think it's
Speaker 1: a smoke really gets to me, I feel like and
Speaker 1: it affects my I think I get like stoned in
Speaker 1: a way that is different when I smoke weed, like
Speaker 1: when I burn it. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: common thing for most people, but I have like embraced
Speaker 1: I have somewhat embraced weed more than I ever have
Speaker 1: in my life. And maybe it's something to do with
Speaker 1: not drinking, maybe it's other stuff, but I find it
Speaker 1: is somewhat enjoyable to me now, which I don't know lyra.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you smoke weed or not, but.
Speaker 2: I did my whole life, and then I got pregnant
Speaker 2: and I didn't and then I tried like once after
Speaker 2: wrent into it and I had the worst panic attack.
Speaker 2: I was like googling, is my breast milk now ruined?
Speaker 2: Like you know, Like I was, like, I really freaked
Speaker 2: out and it was not fun. And now I'm I'm
Speaker 2: incredibly jealous of people who can enjoy it because I
Speaker 2: just can't enjoy it anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, those you raise some issues that I'm
Speaker 1: not I haven't had to deal with. I mean, certainly
Speaker 1: you are. You are speaking on parts of life that
Speaker 1: I will never have to you know, reckoned with, which
Speaker 1: is great for me. It's great, great for me as
Speaker 1: a man, just to say that I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: any of that. But yeah, I don't know, it's uh.
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I mean, it seems like it
Speaker 1: seems like a very mild thing, to be honest, it
Speaker 1: seems like, even at my very most stoned, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like the way I feel when I'm drinking, which
Speaker 1: obviously it's a different thing. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I'm like Huey Lewis, Like Huey Lewis,
Speaker 1: I want a new drug, you know, and I found one?
Speaker 1: Maybe I think.
Speaker 2: Did he find one? What did he find one?
Speaker 1: Did he find one? No? The point of that song
Speaker 1: is that he wants a drug that doesn't exist. The
Speaker 1: point of I Want a New Drug is, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wants a drug that doesn't make him do all of
Speaker 1: the things that people do when they're on drugs, like
Speaker 1: talk too much, like if you're on cocaine, or make
Speaker 1: you feel thick if you're high or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, I think actually the song is
Speaker 1: about he's with a he's dating a woman, or he's
Speaker 1: with a woman who makes him feel like he's high
Speaker 1: in a way that is different from any other drug
Speaker 1: that he's done. And I think it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: And I think relationships can make you feel that way.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think there's an actual physiological reason for
Speaker 1: that that, Like people actually get high from being with
Speaker 1: each other. When they like each other, there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of shit going on biologically with you with one.
Speaker 2: That thing that like drug reaction, it only lasts for
Speaker 2: the first like two to three years.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They should. Someone should create a drug that re ups that.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a big hit. I feel
Speaker 1: like it'd be a big hit that loves to be
Speaker 1: like the love drug. It'd be like feel the way
Speaker 1: you felt the first time or whatever, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that would be really nice. I think it would
Speaker 1: be abused. I think people would definitely abuse that. I
Speaker 1: feel like that would could be very a very weird
Speaker 1: thing to be to be doing anyhow, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Humans love to be intoxicated, But I don't know. Drinking
Speaker 1: is one of those things where the first drink is perfect.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've talked about this in the podcast before.
Speaker 1: The first drink is perfection. The first drink is heaven
Speaker 1: on earth. The first sip of the first drink, the
Speaker 1: second sip of the first drink is like the most
Speaker 1: perfect and magical. Maybe I sound like an alcoholic when
Speaker 1: I say this the most perfect and magical feeling. You're like,
Speaker 1: things are going to be fine, Everything's going to be great.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, you know. And I think that all
Speaker 1: of drinking is really about recapturing the first few SIPs
Speaker 1: of your first drink. I think that I guess this
Speaker 1: is depending on how strong the drink is. I'm not
Speaker 1: like a typically like a beer drink or even a
Speaker 1: wine drinker. So for me, it's like the first two
Speaker 1: SIPs of a martini, which are pure alcohol, right, like
Speaker 1: one hundred percent alcohol in there. So it's a lot, right. God,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this now, and I'm like, I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 1: a drink, south's really good. Like the fucking power of suggestion,
Speaker 1: the power of a person who suggests to themselves, Like like,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going on, I'm feeling so good. I
Speaker 1: haven't been drinking, and then yet at the same time
Speaker 1: as I talk about those first two SIPs, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break
Speaker 1: my run here tonight.
Speaker 2: Martini's were always my drink when I would It's insane
Speaker 2: when I think about it. Now. But when I like
Speaker 2: turn twenty one and I would go out in this summer,
Speaker 2: I would have gin on the rocks, not even a
Speaker 2: martini cause I didn't know. Yeah, and then in the
Speaker 2: winter I would have gin meat and that was what
Speaker 2: I drank for years.
Speaker 1: That's hardcore. I mean, that's real stuff.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know. I thought this is what it
Speaker 2: is anyways, and then I realized, oh, martini is just that,
Speaker 2: but it's an actual, real drink.
Speaker 1: It's just alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so then I always drank martinis. And then
Speaker 2: I introduced and a full blown alcoholic who only drank
Speaker 2: beer two martinis, and then he was like in love forever.
Speaker 1: That's a You know, it's tricky. Not everybody wants none.
Speaker 1: Everybody should drink glasses of pure spirits. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not like beer is one thing. It takes a while
Speaker 1: to get drunk on beer, and like you get full
Speaker 1: and you get tired and whatever. You know, it does
Speaker 1: not take as long to get drunk on a martini.
Speaker 1: In fact, like I would say, probably with one martini,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. Two is certainly more than enough. Three
Speaker 1: is a mistake.
Speaker 2: I've watched some very tall men get drunk on two
Speaker 2: to three martinis get sloshed.
Speaker 1: You know, on your environment. There are environments where I
Speaker 1: could drink Martini's for a long time and not feel
Speaker 1: necessarily like super duper drunk. And then there's like if
Speaker 1: I'm at home and I have two, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good, but yeah, drinking, you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to do it. I go through these cycles all
Speaker 1: the time. I feel pretty good. I feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about Like how where I am from a health perspective.
Speaker 1: I am aware of when I'm intoxicated or when i'm
Speaker 1: you know, high or whatever. I'm drunk or high, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a person who necessarily feels like it has
Speaker 1: a I don't have a negative, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: like it's a big negative when I get drunk or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think that's actually the case. I
Speaker 1: do feel like having, you know, when I go on
Speaker 1: these stretches of not drinking. It's interesting how much generally
Speaker 1: healthy I feel like. I'm I eat less, way less.
Speaker 1: That's a big one for me. It's like I eat
Speaker 1: way less, like during the day, I eat less. At night,
Speaker 1: I eat less, Like if I don't drink it all.
Speaker 1: My appetite is very different, which I think find to
Speaker 1: be i don't know, fascinating and good ultimately, because like
Speaker 1: I definitely, you know, have like the mid every time
Speaker 1: I drink, I'm like, I'm gonna get a minut snack
Speaker 1: of some type, which is usually some grouping of disgusting items.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like and I'm going to scoop out
Speaker 1: this cream cheese and heat it or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I'm gonna just have peanut butter
Speaker 1: straight from the jar or whatever kind of weird shit
Speaker 1: you think of when you've had a couple of drinks. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I feel generally healthier. Psychologically I feel not because of drinking,
Speaker 1: just generally lately I feel like a complete mess. But
Speaker 1: physically I'm in at the top of my game. I mean,
Speaker 1: physically I'm like a like an Adonis, like a like
Speaker 1: a like a god. Really and mentally I'm all fucked up.
Speaker 1: But physically I'm like watch out, watch out world, you know.
Speaker 1: And if my mind whereas together as my body is
Speaker 1: right now, it's no telling what could happen. Honestly, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll run to be president. Maybe I'll start my campaign
Speaker 1: right now. That's how good I'm feeling physically anyway. So
Speaker 1: I have been drinking. You know what I have been
Speaker 1: doing is checking out that new iPhone. And I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you what a great new entry into the iPhone cannon. Fifteen.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we get here, My god, I never
Speaker 1: thought we'd get to fifteen. And here we are. And
Speaker 1: I can see it now with sober eyes. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: it all unfold for the first time, perhaps through the
Speaker 1: lens of sobriety. And I gotta tell you it's a trip.
Speaker 2: When they the ten came out, isn't they called the
Speaker 2: iPhone X X. They call it the X, the X,
Speaker 2: and then they just went back to eleven.
Speaker 1: I want to say something. I think it's possible that
Speaker 1: the X was actually the ninth iPhone. There's some weird
Speaker 1: thing where it actually wasn't huh. I gotta, I gotta
Speaker 1: look this up now. I want to say, there's some weird,
Speaker 1: some weird like Apple math. Okay, it's the eleventh phone.
Speaker 1: The iPhone AX is the smartphone design developed and marketed
Speaker 1: by Apple Incorporated. It is part of the eleventh generation
Speaker 1: of the iPhone. The naming of the iPhone X skipping
Speaker 1: the iPhone nine is to mark the tenth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the iPhone. Okay, I guess that makes sense. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, right, twenty seven and twenty seventeen. Okay, but
Speaker 1: it's the eleventh generation of phone. And I guess they're
Speaker 1: saying it's they skip I guess I'm confused. They skipping
Speaker 1: the iPhone nine. So was there an iPhone eight? I
Speaker 1: don't remember, Yeah, iPhone eight. It was iPhone eight. And
Speaker 1: then they went They didn't go from nine and then
Speaker 1: to ten. They went from eight to ten. And the
Speaker 1: tent was to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the existence
Speaker 1: of the iPhone, not the tenth model, even though up
Speaker 1: until then I believe the numbers indicated the number of
Speaker 1: iPhones that had preceded it, you know, plus one or whatever.
Speaker 1: This is all great stuff, This is all important stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we got to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: All right, Anyhow, we should probably wrap up, I mean,
Speaker 1: because honestly, I might have to get a drink now. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to. I think I'm going to get
Speaker 1: my vape. Get out the vape. See what happens, See
Speaker 1: what happens when I stop being ployed, start getting real,
Speaker 1: you know, which is different from how I am now. Well,
Speaker 1: that's our show for this week. We will be back
Speaker 1: next week with more what future and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll still be talking about the
Speaker 1: iPhone fifteen. You know, it's possible, made anything's possible, And
Speaker 1: until then, I wish you and your family the very
Speaker 1: best