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Speaker 1: get into today, A lot going on in the world

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Speaker 1: of boxing. We're gonna talk about the latest developments with

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Speaker 1: Connor Ben. We're going to get into some contract negotiations

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Speaker 1: going on. Errol Spence, Terence Crawford. Is that going to happen?

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Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia, Gravante Davis? Is that gonna happen? We've got

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Speaker 1: a loaded fight weekend. We've got Devin Haney back in Australia,

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Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder in Brooklyn, one of the best women's car

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Speaker 1: the UK. We're gonna dive into that a little bit

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Speaker 1: later in the show. Caleb Plant, the former and sixty

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Speaker 1: eight pound champion. He is back this weekend as well,

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Speaker 1: and we talked to Caleb about the loss to Cannella

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Speaker 1: To help me with all those topics, Keith Idek, senior

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Speaker 1: writer with Boxing Scene dot Com, good friend of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: He is back on the show. Keith, What's up Man?

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Speaker 1: A lot apparently, um and a lot going on outside

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Speaker 1: the ring and inside the ring. Um. I know you're

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Speaker 1: in New York going to the Wilder Hillennious headline show

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Speaker 1: and I want to go over to the UK and

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Speaker 1: address the latest developments with the Connor Ben uh situation.

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Speaker 1: Connor Ben, of course, it's been about a week since

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Speaker 1: his scheduled fight against Chris you Bank Jr. Was canceled

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Speaker 1: this response to Ben testing positive for colomaphine, a female

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Speaker 1: Room Boxing YouTube channel about Connor beat. Yeah. Obviously he's

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Speaker 1: you know, the story stop the fight. The commission had

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Speaker 1: be heard that will now happen post fight and obviously

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Speaker 1: It does take time to put these fights together, what

427
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Speaker 1: I wonder. And even though Spence is out there saying

428
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Speaker 1: don't worry it's gonna be next. I wonder what his

429
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Speaker 1: threshold is for being Paige. Remember he fought one time,

430
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Speaker 1: He's gonna fight one time in two This is a

431
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Speaker 1: guy that wants to be active, wants to stay and

432
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: stay busy against top guys, and has a marketable option

433
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: in Keith Thurman out there as a potential opponent. So

434
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Speaker 1: I guess that's where where I focus most of my attention. Like,

435
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: when does Spence say, you know what? This is taking

436
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: too long? Um, I don't know if it's gonna happen

437
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: in February. Now, let's move on to thermal revisit in

438
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: the summer of two thou and twenty three or something

439
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: like that. Now, it doesn't seem like Spence is at

440
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: that point right now, But I don't know, Key, It

441
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: seems like I feel like he's gonna get there at

442
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Speaker 1: some point. If there's not progress made over the next

443
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Speaker 1: month or so, as we get into November December, it

444
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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me at all to see Spence decide to

445
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: move ahead at least for one fight. Yeah, there has

446
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: to be a point where you just walk away from it,

447
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: I guess, But because at this point there's nothing else

448
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: to button up right. I mean, there's nothing else to

449
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: take care of it, you know, I've I've heard things

450
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: um as keep in the weeds as he turned, Crawford

451
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: wants to make sure that he has control over where

452
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: the bottled water is coming from and things like that.

453
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true, but those are the

454
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Speaker 1: kinds of things that are being floated around about every

455
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Speaker 1: little thing that's being uh, you know, being discussed internally.

456
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Speaker 1: So if that's if that's the case, I mean that

457
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Speaker 1: you could go over every single thing humanly imaginable right

458
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: every scenario, and that will take forever to go through that,

459
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: you know, So what's your gut feeling then right now?

460
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen in November? I think that's the table. And

461
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: in December. I feel the same way about December. Um,

462
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: you're getting close to Christmas and all that kind of stuff.

463
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Speaker 1: So you know, i'd say February, you know, maybe for

464
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: first Again, I think it does depend on the Garcia

465
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Speaker 1: thank Davis fight, which is also being negotiated now. And

466
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Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's father said yesterday he was at the open

467
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Speaker 1: workout with Frank Chez yesterday. For this Frank Sanchez is

468
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: fighting on the Wild Hellaneous undercard, and he told a

469
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: few guys that the fight is definitely happening. That's what

470
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Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's dad said. Now that's only one side of it,

471
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: of course, But if Tank Davis really wants to fight,

472
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: and he has made it very clear that he does. Um,

473
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Speaker 1: If he does want to fight, and there's no reason

474
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Speaker 1: why it wouldn't happen, it's a huge fight. So um.

475
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: So if they're working, you know, that plays into the

476
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Speaker 1: to the Spence Crawford scenario as well, because again, like

477
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I said, you want to space the events apart, and

478
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: then you imagine if you're if you're out Hayman and

479
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: you're working on two deals that are very complicated with

480
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Speaker 1: other Prawford doesn't never promoter, but he's working with another promoter,

481
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: and and and Golden Boy Promotions. There's a lot going

482
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Speaker 1: on at the same time. So I know, no one's

483
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: gonna feel any sympathy for out him and trying to

484
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Speaker 1: negotiate two mega deals that for fights that people really

485
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Speaker 1: want to see. But that is happening in real time, Yeah,

486
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: no question about that. So let's talk about Ryan Garcia

487
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Speaker 1: and Tank Davis, because, as you point out, negotiations are

488
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Speaker 1: ongoing between the two sides for a fight between two

489
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Speaker 1: of the most marketable guys in boxing right now. There

490
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: have been some optimistic social media posts from both Ryan

491
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Speaker 1: and Tank. As you mentioned, Ryan's dad is out there

492
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Speaker 1: striking an optimistic tone. Dates of December and January have

493
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Speaker 1: been floated around. I'll start on this one, Keith. I

494
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: am getting more and more optimistic about seeing Tank and

495
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: Ryan in the ring next I am. I'm starting to

496
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of people about this fight

497
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: pretty often, and it sounds like they're getting really close

498
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: on the money. It sounds like they're right there on

499
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Speaker 1: the weight, which will be somewhere between a hundred and

500
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Speaker 1: thirty five and a hundred and forty pounds. What I

501
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: don't know is have they resolved the broadcast issue, because

502
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: that is a huge stumbling block. UM Showtime obviously, the

503
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Speaker 1: distributor of Tank Davis's pay per views uh to Zone

504
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: has been you know, backing Ryan Garcia for the last

505
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Speaker 1: fourth plus years. I don't know if they figured that out,

506
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Speaker 1: and the people involved, whether it's Ryan's dad or managers

507
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: or promoters whoever, like I think they've been focused on

508
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: getting a deal done between the two fighters and maybe

509
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Speaker 1: hoping that a deal can be struck with the broadcast

510
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Speaker 1: is whether it is a co pay per view, which

511
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't think is the likeliest outcome, or I don't know,

512
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: some kind of shared agreement where Showtime gets US broadcast

513
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: right to ZWN, which is Global takes global broadcast rights.

514
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something on the back end for this ZOWN.

515
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question, but I

516
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: am feeling cautiously optimistic that Ryan Garcian Tank Davids are

517
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: gonna fight. It may not be December, um January. I

518
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: think it's possible. I'm feeling boxing does this to me,

519
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: but I'm feeling pretty good about Ryan and Tank. How

520
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: are you feeling about where those talks? Yeah, you know,

521
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: I feel optimistic about it because I think from Javante

522
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: Davis's perspective, he needs this fight now. I mean, how

523
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: many guys, look, could they go back and do an

524
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Essa Cruise rematch? Yeah? Sure they could. I mean, he's

525
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: he's done reasonably decent pay per view numbers against people

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Speaker 1: that ordinarily would not fight on paper view because he's

527
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: that big of a draw and he and he obviously

528
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: is a draw. At the gate. He is. He is

529
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: lord big crowds to arenas all over the country. I've

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00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: been there from the fights, and these are legitimate gate

531
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Speaker 1: receipts that they're producing here. So he's you know, multimillion

532
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: dollars gates. So he's a real draw. Um. But I

533
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: think from Javonte Davis's perspective personally, he's gonna turn twenty

534
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: eight years old next month, and he is tired of

535
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: hearing that now saying that he thought no one is

536
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: a little strong. I mean that's a that's a that's

537
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: a reach. I mean he you know, he beat posing Drazza,

538
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: but that was five years five and a half years ago.

539
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: Draws is you know, turned into a two eight world champion. Um,

540
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: he saw Cruise is a good fighter. I mean he's not,

541
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: uh not an elite level fighter. I saw him struggle

542
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: against Thomas Matisse. I was there. I saw it on

543
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: show box, you know. But so he's a tough guy.

544
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: He's a bulldog and he could punch and and he

545
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: gave Tank a tougher fight than people were expecting. And

546
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Javonte Davis had a hand injury going into the fight.

547
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: All that's true. But if you wants to prove it now,

548
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: you know as well as I do. If he goes

549
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and Knox Ryan Garcia out, everyone's gonna say, oh, well,

550
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia had bought anybody Blue Campbell is not any

551
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: good and you know he's chins up in the air

552
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: and he's a you know, he's an Instagram star, he's

553
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: not a real He's going to deal with that. If

554
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: he goes in Knox Ran Garcia, you do we come on,

555
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: we know that, right, that's not gonna be well, he's

556
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: not going to be fair. But I don't know if

557
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: it'll be that. I don't know if it be you

558
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: think it would be that bad? Like, look, Ryan Garcia

559
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: resume as well Chris I do, come on, plenty plenty

560
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: of holes in him. But I think the reason I

561
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: can be somewhat more sympathetic to Ryan Garcia is that

562
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: he's four years younger and he has spought Luke Campbell,

563
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: and he just beat a hobby for like he's If

564
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Speaker 1: he was twenty eight years old with the same type

565
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: of resume, I'd be just as critical of Ryan as

566
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I have been of Tank. I I don't know that

567
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I only won't get credit for beating Ryan sure people will,

568
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: they'll be there'll be a faction of people that's say

569
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Speaker 1: the things that you're saying. But Ryan would in my mind,

570
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: instantly become the best opponent that Javonte is beaten. Like,

571
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I think he'd immediately rise above uh you know, Benavidez

572
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: and whoever else is on that resume, Like wouldn't you?

573
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Speaker 1: Would you or would you? Where would you put Ryan

574
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: on that list? Uh? Yeah, Look again, there there are

575
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: holes in his I'm not saying Louke Campbell is not

576
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: a good fighter. He is. You know, he was a

577
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: better amateur fighter than he was a professional fighter. But

578
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: that's the best win on his resume. He he look,

579
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Speaker 1: he beat what was left of fire for two and

580
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: let's be honest, right, it's a good win. It's a

581
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: good win. But Fortuna had been beaten up before. He's

582
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Speaker 1: an older guy. Jojo Diaz took took the last um

583
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure I'm not trying to crap on

584
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Speaker 1: Ryan RCA here. I mean the kids, he's he's a

585
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: huge puncher. He clearly has like like Javonte Davis has

586
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: a huge following away from boxing. You know, people, you

587
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: know he's a trance and the kind of fighter and

588
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: all um, and it's a huge fight and and any

589
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: time we can get it what is considered a huge

590
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: fight that draws attention outside of our ever shrinking world

591
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: of boxing. It's great for the sport and that fight

592
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: will do that. So I just hope that it happens. Um,

593
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: And look, yeah, he probably yeah, I guess to answer

594
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: your question, I've gone that in a very roundabout way.

595
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I apologize to that to answer your question, he probably

596
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: will be the best win on his resume. But but

597
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if if Crews fought Ryan Garcia, uh,

598
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: he'd be alive underdog in that fight for sure. The

599
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: ki can he's he can punch, you know, he can

600
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: really play. He's a tough guy and he can punch.

601
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: And favor of Ryan Garcia bigger, you know, bigger puncher,

602
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: bigger guy probably. But but that's a that's probably a

603
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: better win than Geronte Davis is getting credit for, particularly

604
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: because he was hurt. Um but that look, he's the

605
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: one who decided to go into the fight with an injury,

606
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: so that's on him. But um, but yeah, so probably

607
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: probably Arcitia is the biggest one. Let's just hope from

608
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: from a commercial standpoint for the health of the sport.

609
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Let's just hope it happens. And if we get ultimately Chris,

610
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: with all this back and forth and all of the

611
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: time that fans feel have been waste has been wasted

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00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: with the negotiations in the back and forth, etcetera. If

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Speaker 1: we wind up getting Davante Davis against Ryan Garcia and

614
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford against Errol Spence in a within a two

615
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: month span in early twenty three, I don't know what

616
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: more you could ask for other than that. Yeah, I agree,

617
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: and I do think there's motivation on both sides to

618
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: get a deal done. As I said, I don't think

619
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Speaker 1: there are the financial hurdles that exists with the Crawford

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Speaker 1: Spence negotiations. I just to reiterate, I just don't know

621
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: yet how they're going to handle distribution. How they handled that,

622
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest obstacle to overcome, and not

623
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: a not an inconsiderable one, because look, I I understand

624
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: people in boxing bizarrely route for networks. I don't really

625
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: understand why the rout for promoters, I don't really understand why.

626
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: But if you look at him, both sides Showtime has

627
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: invested millions in Javante Davis. They deserve to be involved

628
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: in the biggest fight of his career. The Zone has

629
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: invested millions in Ryan Garcia. They deserve to be involved

630
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: in the biggest fight of his career. I don't know.

631
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've figured out how that obstacle

632
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: is able to be overcome. But I'm optimistic because both

633
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: these guys want the fight, and if they can agree

634
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: to a deal that might put enough pressure on the

635
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: networks to get something done that that might That to

636
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: me is a reason to be optimistic that we see

637
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: that fight happen. And you're right, if we get that fight,

638
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: if we can find a way to get Spence Crawford

639
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of the hell of a start

640
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: for boxing uh in that year. All right, to talk

641
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: about a couple of fights happening this weekend. Devin Haney

642
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: is back in Australia to face George Campbosis in his

643
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: contractually obligated rematch. The build up Keith has been quieter

644
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: than what we saw in the first fight, largely because

645
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: Cambosis has not said much. Haney won a wide decision

646
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: in the first fight earlier this year. Um, in your mind,

647
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: is there any reason to believe that this rematch will

648
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: play out any differently? Well, I don't know that the

649
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: result will be any different, but I would sure hope

650
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: that George Campbosas approaches this fight in a different way,

651
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: because I'd have to say that trying to outbox Devon

652
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: Haney was the unwisest strategic move of didn't exactly go

653
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: according to planned and and he didn't make many adjustments

654
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: in the fight. So I think he's gonna come into

655
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: this fight and he's gonna try to rough up Devon

656
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Haney because that's his only path to victory. It's the

657
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: only one You're you're not outbout he. He's not capable

658
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: about boxing Devon Hay need So if he goes in

659
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: there and tries to employ the same tactics that he

660
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: did on June five, well, you know a lot of

661
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: people are gonna be changing the channel by the third

662
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: round because there's no reason to watch it. You've already

663
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: seen it play out over twelve rounds. So, Um, I've

664
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: been led to believe that he is gonna try to

665
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: make this as physical. I'm not saying dirty, but he's

666
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: gonna try to rough Devon Hanny up, because what other

667
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: alternative does he have? I mean, what like, what would

668
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: make any sense for him to have some semblance of

669
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: success in this fight than to do the complete opposite

670
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: of what he tried to do in the first fight.

671
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: He's not capable of doing that, So he's gone underground,

672
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: so to speak. He's not he's not doing interviews even

673
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: with the Australian press from what I've been led to believe.

674
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: But I think part of the um lack of buzz

675
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: for the second fight is because clearly the only reason

676
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: that it's happening is because Devin Haney is contractually obligated

677
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: to do it. And by the way, he deserves a

678
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: lot of credit for having He wanted the opportunity to

679
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: fight for the other three titles, but he didn't just

680
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: agree to go fight him once in Australia it. He

681
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: agreed to go fight him twice in Australia. And while

682
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: he's being well compensated for it, most fighters would not

683
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: have done that. So all the people that thought Devon

684
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: Haney was not a real champion and didn't really want

685
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: the fights that everyone else wanted, well, he's the one

686
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: who went and made the tifle. Lopez took tough fights

687
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: as well, obviously fought Romachenko, but um, he made it happen,

688
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: and he didn't have to make it happen in this way.

689
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: So he's only gone to Australia second time here in

690
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: four and a half months or whatever because he had to.

691
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: And I think that the lack of buzz for this

692
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: second fight is strictly based on the non competitive nature

693
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: of the first fight. It's not even if George Campboss

694
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: was screaming from the mountaintops that he was going to

695
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: do X, Y and Z to Devon Haney. I don't

696
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: really think people would care all that much because they're

697
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: gonna want to see it on Saturday night. So he

698
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: has the opportunity to go win his belts back and

699
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: prove that, uh that he is on the same level

700
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: as Devon Hany or at a higher level. I don't

701
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: foresee him doing that, but I didn't think he would

702
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: be ti Fimo Lopez. And while Tifimo Lopez clearly had

703
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of physical problems going into the ring, it

704
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: was incumbent on him to pull out if if he

705
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: couldn't function at the championship level, and he didn't pull out,

706
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: so you gotta get Campbos his credit for pulling off

707
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: he was I think Lopez was a ten to one

708
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: favorite going into that fight. He might have went down

709
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: a little bit before the fight, but he was a

710
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: huge favorite. He went in there pulled off an upset,

711
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: so he's done this before. But I don't have any

712
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: reason to believe that Devon Haney has compromised going into

713
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: this fight the way that tif Fimo Lopez apparently was,

714
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: So I would expect it to play out similarly on

715
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night and for Devin Hany then to move

716
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: forward and fight for silverma Chanco next, assuming Roma Chanco

717
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: beach Germain Ortiz in a couple of weeks. Now. It

718
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: feels like Devin Haney is in peak condition right now.

719
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: When I talked to him for this show last week,

720
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: he was eating Wow. We were talking, so like, it

721
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's having kind of weight issues. His

722
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: dad is with him in Australia now, which was obviously

723
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: an issue going into the first fight, and I think

724
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: you're right. I think George camp Boss is going to

725
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: try to make it a more physical fight, which is

726
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: the right thing to do because as you said, he's

727
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: not the boxer that Devin Haney is. And sometimes when

728
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: you challenge the manhood of Devin Haney, he wants to

729
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: respond in kind. He wants to show you that he's

730
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: more man than you, that he's as physical as you,

731
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that he's a bigger puncher than perhaps he actually is.

732
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: So the strategy is smart if that's the way Cambosis goes.

733
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's physically able to pull it off.

734
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's not this big physical guy. He's

735
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna be smaller really than Devin Haney was a big

736
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: one going into the ring. So I just don't know

737
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: if he's going to be able to do it. As

738
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: much as I like Cambosis on a personal level and

739
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: respect him for what he did in that to female fight,

740
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: he did exactly what he said he was gonna do.

741
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: He went out, he knocked him down the first round,

742
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: and he took the fight to him. I respect that.

743
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Is he a one hit wonder? Like you know, is

744
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: he the guy that beat Tafima Lopez or is he

745
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: more the guy that was life and death with Lise Selby,

746
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: That was life and death with Mickey bay Um. You know,

747
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: two solid but not spectacular fighters. Is he is the

748
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: guy that Devin Haney beat who George Campbos's is, which

749
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: is a very good fighter, but not a fighter on

750
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: the level of Devin Haney. This is a big moment

751
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: for George. I just maybe he's gonna prove us wrong

752
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: once again. He already did it once. Maybe he's gonna

753
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing it once again. But you know,

754
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: I just don't see. I think Hanny's just too skilled

755
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: and we'll out box him. By the way, Like, I

756
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: just want to give Devin Handy credit here, Like I

757
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: love what he's done with his career, right, Like he

758
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: starts off as kind of independent operator. He's on showtime

759
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: on showbox, coming up that way, signs that he hearn

760
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: makes a bunch of money, gets a few decent fights

761
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 1: towards the end of that contract. And now he's got

762
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: He gets two fights this year. Yes he has to

763
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: go to Australia to take them, but he's gonna make

764
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: four million dollars for this fight against George Campbos made

765
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: a couple of million for the last fight. Uh. He's

766
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: the undisputed champion at one five and at age twenty three,

767
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: he's going to go into two thousand twenty three with

768
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: a chance to fight Vasili Lomachenko, skor Stevenson, guys like

769
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: that and really burnish his resume at a very young

770
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: age in an Eric Keith where so many fighters are

771
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: fighting once and not fighting good fights and the resumes

772
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: are so weak. Good for Devin Handy for kind of

773
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: season control of his career. I know, we didn't want

774
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to leave any here, and he had a good relationship

775
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: with any heard, but he understood that to get the

776
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: fights that he wanted he had to separate and go

777
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: with a different promoter. He did, and now here he

778
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: is like with all the belts, at one with money

779
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: and with a chance to fight big fights moving forward.

780
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just hope, I wish really that

781
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: more fighters took this approach and said, look, we're not

782
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna tire herself to one network, one promote, or want anything.

783
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: We're just gonna look for the biggest and best opportunities

784
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: because Keith, whenever guys do that, it often works out

785
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: at the highest level, Like Floyd Maywerther did it. Miguel

786
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Codo bounced around from promoter to to network for years.

787
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: Towards the end of his career to get the biggest fights.

788
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Now Devin Haney's doing it, and I hope more guys

789
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: look to that because Devin Haney is to me an

790
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: example for how not just young fighter, but how all

791
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: fighters should operate. And and in terms of broadening his

792
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: fan base and everything too. Now he's now fighting on ESPN,

793
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: which has the reach. I mean, you know, obviously it's

794
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: available in eighty is chamillion homes in the United States

795
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: and uh and the and his fights against Cambos has

796
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: Both fights were shown on the network. They were not

797
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: behind the paywall. I mean, you have obviously have to

798
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: pay for ESPN is part of the cable package, but

799
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: you didn't have to you don't have to pay for

800
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: ESPN plus for the for the opportunity to see the fight.

801
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: So um, you know, it was a good move on

802
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: that and that sense too. And now if he let's

803
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: just say, if he goes and fights Facility Lomachenco. Now

804
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: I do think if he fights Loma Chenko, I believe

805
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: the fight will be on ESPN pay per view. That's

806
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: what I've been led to believe from the very beginning.

807
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: That was the plants. But you know, he still will

808
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: have had three big fights, uh, for which he was

809
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money, of course, but like you said,

810
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: it's not always easy separating from a promoter or from

811
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: a in this case of streaming service that had done

812
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: right by you over the years. Um And and sometimes

813
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, fighters for all intensive purposes should always do

814
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: what's best for them because look, when you know, someone

815
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: knocks Devan Haney out next year, and then he gets

816
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: knocked out a couple of times or whatever, and no

817
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: one's gonna care. So you gotta you gotta make, you know,

818
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: maximize your earning potential while it's there, while he's still

819
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: very young obviously twenty three years old. But um, but yeah,

820
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: and the one thing I would say, christ is I

821
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: do think that if he fights loma Chenko, which I

822
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: which everyone seems to think is going to happen, because

823
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: I do not see Lomachenko into Jermaine Ortiz. But assuming

824
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: that fight happens, win or lose, I would see Devin

825
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: Haney moving up to one forty for the next fight, because,

826
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: as you said before, he was eating when you were

827
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: on the phone with him, which is a good sign

828
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: assuming he wasn't doing it for show. He is a

829
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: good sign that he was doing that while he's trying

830
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: to make weight. But he's a you know, he's like

831
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: five nine and a half like that. You know, it's

832
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: not easy for him to make a hundred and thirty

833
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: five pounds. So I would think as he as he

834
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: gets older and his body matures here, I think, especially

835
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: if he beats Lomachenko, um, then you know, then who

836
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: have beaten Cambosis in back to back fights, beat a

837
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: legendary three division champion who was a top pound for

838
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: pound guy for a very long time. You know, if

839
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: nothing left to prove at one thirty five, I know

840
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: people obviously would want to see him fight shakor Stevenson.

841
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: We all want to see that. But even Shakoor said

842
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: to me a few weeks before, I think it was

843
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: when they had the original press conference for his fight

844
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: against Robson, can say so now? He said, it always

845
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: seems like Devin and I are division apart, And he said,

846
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: I do think will event should we fight, but I'm

847
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: not sure that it's going to be at a hundred

848
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and thirty five pounds. And this is before he didn't

849
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: make weight and lost his titles at the scale and all.

850
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: But he had planned and moved to one thirty five anyway,

851
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: but he seemed to think that they would fight maybe

852
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: at one forty or maybe even one seven one day,

853
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to fighting at It makes a lot of

854
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: sense for it to wait a little while longer because

855
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: if Devin beats or whatever happens in the Lomachenko fight,

856
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: win or lose, you go up to one forty, and

857
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: you're a marketable commodity against a Tafima Lopez, against Ryan Garcia,

858
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: against a regious prograde. There are some big names right

859
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: now at one forty, So he's he's got everything kind

860
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: of lined up. And I was talking to him about

861
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: this last week. It just feels like after a pretty

862
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: frustrating last couple of years of his career, where he

863
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: couldn't get Ta Fema in the ring, he couldn't get

864
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia in the ring, now he's got the belts,

865
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: he's got money, and he's got those opportunities to showcase

866
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: his talent, which is really all he's been asking for,

867
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Like he's been looking for those opportunities and now he's

868
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: gonna get him. By the way, the disrespect you're showing

869
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Jamaine Ortiz, the pride of Worcestern, Massachusetts. Is I'm not

870
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: good listen, good for er? Look where you look where

871
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: he came from. He was fighting on show Prospect. He

872
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: goes and beach Jamal Herring and a fight that you know,

873
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Jamal's towards the end of his career of course, but

874
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: and you know, probably better suited for a weight class lower.

875
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: But but that's a good win for him. And I

876
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: spoke to Jamaine Ortiz on the phone last week and

877
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: nice kid, of his great opportunity for him, his family

878
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: and everything. But let's be honest. I mean, Loma chenko is,

879
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: I understand your Massachusetts bias and all, but you know

880
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: that's a tall order to kind know sile Lomatanko Chenco

881
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: is not tall, but it's a tall order for sure

882
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: for him to come into the ring and be the

883
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: fighter of that magnazine. What Chris, can I say one

884
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: thing too? Yeah? I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said

885
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: about Devin Haney. I also think that George Campbosis deserves

886
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: a lot of credit because George Campbosis could have beaten

887
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: Tia female Lopez, taken a victory lap in Australia fight

888
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: fought whichever guy there was an Australian fighter that was

889
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: ranked in the top whatever of the whatever, and he

890
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: could have fought him in a stadium or you know,

891
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Rod Lavere arena or whatever it was and done, you know,

892
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: made a lot of money and like I said, taking

893
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: a victory lap and then coming and taken a real

894
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: fight so to speak around now. And he said, no,

895
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I want to go. I want what he wanted Lomachenko

896
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: and Lomachenko wasn't or whatever. Um, I'll fight Devon Hany.

897
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: Bring Devon Haney over here. I'll fight him. You know.

898
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Of course Hany was obligated to do the rematch in

899
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: Australian immediate rematch in Australia. But Boss deserves some credit

900
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: to I mean, he didn't fight the smartest fight in

901
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: June five, but to take that fight when he could have,

902
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, he could have fought twice in Australia and

903
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: no one would have blinked, probably right and uh and

904
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: he took a very tough fight and he and he

905
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: paid the consequence for it. And now he gets his

906
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to win back his titles. You know, look who

907
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: knows right? I mean, you'd have to favor Haney and

908
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: to do something similar to what he did one months ago.

909
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: But you know he catches him with the round shot.

910
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: You know who knows you're right. Look, he caught Femo

911
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: with a good shot, knock him down in the first round.

912
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: Maybe can catch Haney. And as we said at the

913
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: top discussing that fight, you know you want to try

914
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: to get Devin Haney into a street fight, like you

915
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: want to make it more of a brawl than a

916
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: boxing match, because I think George Campbosis could theoretically win

917
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: a brawl with Devin Haney. I don't believe he can

918
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: win a boxing match. I think Devon is just too skilled,

919
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: too long to everything for George. So in that sense,

920
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I am interested to see the style of the fight

921
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: and if it looks anything different like the first one.

922
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the fight you're gonna be

923
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: at this weekend. Deontay Wilder. He will end a one

924
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: year layoff when he takes on Robert Lennius. Wilder has

925
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: been his usual outspoken self over the last few weeks

926
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: of interesting claims about Tyson Fury, about his Hall of

927
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: Fame status, about a lot of different things. Um He's

928
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the second reign of his That's

929
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna be fun as he approaches thirty seven years old.

930
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: What I guess the question is what are your expectations

931
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: for Deontay Wilder at this stage? What are you looking

932
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: for from him as he resumes his career. Well, I

933
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: think what Saturday Night is about, more than anything, Chris,

934
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: is how is Deontay Wilder going to react to what

935
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: was an indisputable, vicious, violent knockout loss. There's no excusing

936
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: this one away. There's no you know, my suit weight,

937
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: you know my costume weigh too much, and his gloves

938
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: were altered, and uh, Darrell Brothers were conspiring with people

939
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: in the crowd. Come on, he lost, and he put

940
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: up a hell of an effort, man, I mean he

941
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: almost knocked Tyson Fury out again and down twice in

942
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Thought through what I thought? I thought

943
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: both guys in that fight really thought through some severe

944
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: fatigue because it's just two huge dudes, you know, laying

945
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: on each other and hammering away at each other. And

946
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: then you know, de Wilder was very tired, and Tyson

947
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Fury showed a lot of fortitude and resilience and came

948
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: back and viciously knocked him out. Now, while there's never

949
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: been in that position, because he's never been in this

950
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: position that he's going into on Saturday night, because he

951
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: had all those excuses after the second fight, after the rematch,

952
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: he you know, he excused it away. He was he

953
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: was knocked down multiple times in the fight, but he

954
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: was finished on his feet, argued that he should have continued.

955
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: There was no emphatic, conclusive ending to that fight. Whereas

956
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: the third fight, you can't excuse that away. You can't

957
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: rationalize that, and you can't and you're even and you're

958
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: even in you know, the depths of your own mind,

959
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: you can't come away from that saying he just he's

960
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: not going to say this because there's a lot of

961
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: ego involved there, but he knows that Tyson Fury, he

962
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: was just better than him, There's no two ways about it.

963
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: He's not gonna say it, but that's that's a fact.

964
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: So while he almost won the fight, you know, he

965
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: knocked him down twice and made it a very entertaining

966
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: slug fest. Um, how does he react mentally? Well, Like, physically,

967
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's fine because while he's going to be

968
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: thirty seven years old the week after the fight. He

969
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much wear and tear on him as

970
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: your normal thirty seven year old because he started boxing,

971
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: so lady didn't have as many, nearly as many amateur

972
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: fights as a lot of these guys. Um, you know,

973
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: he got beat up in the second fight a little bit,

974
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: but it was only lasted six and a half rounds

975
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: or so, so so not as much as a beating

976
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: as I think he took in this, or punishment as

977
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: I think he took in the third fight. Uh so,

978
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: not a ton of mileage. But man, yeah, that's kind

979
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: of you know, he's the guy who remember you know,

980
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: he's running. He's the knockout artist of box you know,

981
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: he's the most polarizing puncher in the history of the

982
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Spiattiotti all this stuff, you know that, which to some

983
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: degree was true. You know, I'm the hardest puncher in

984
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: the history of the sport. There's no really way to

985
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: quantify that, but certainly one of them. You know, he

986
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: knocked out almost everyone he fought, so there's no disputing that.

987
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: So you go from having this aura of invincibility like

988
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson had once upon a time, then it kind

989
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: of gets beaten out of you a little bit. Um.

990
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: He's still at the stating puncher, right, so I expect

991
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: him to come through this fight. Uh. I don't want

992
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: to say with no problems whatsoever, but let's be honest,

993
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: like Collaneus is there to be hit. He can punch,

994
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: he's a big, strong guy, but he's there to be hit.

995
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: He's slow, he barely moves his head. And Deontay Wilder

996
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: is is nothing short of a devastating puncher. So I

997
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: would expect him to knock Robert Collaneus out on Saturday Night.

998
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: But what happens if Hellaneus, who was getting who Colonaki

999
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: honestly was beating up in the first couple of rounds

1000
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: of the first fight, and all of a sudden just

1001
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: lands something. Oh oh wha? You know what if what

1002
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: if that happen? What happens if he does that to

1003
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder? How does Deontay Wilder react to that? That's

1004
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: what I think Saturday Night is about more than anything,

1005
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: because we know he's still a devastating puncher. He looks

1006
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: like he's in good shape. He actually said that he's

1007
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: going to come in tomorrow at the way and he's

1008
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: going to come in significantly lighter than the to the

1009
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: career high to thirty eight. He wait for their third fight, right, So,

1010
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: all of those things seemed to be uh in line

1011
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: for Wilder to look good on Saturday. The question that

1012
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: I have is when Robert Hellaneous inevitably clips him with

1013
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: a shot, what happens? That's what it's let's saying, it's

1014
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: worth seventy five bucks necessarily, but that's what Saturday Nights about.

1015
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: And one other thing, Chris, because I understand the frustration

1016
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: of people saying, like, you know, why is he fighting

1017
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: Hellaneous and blah blah blah. I don't have a problem

1018
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: with him fighting Robert Laneus. This is his first fight

1019
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: and over a year. He's coming off a devastating knockout loss.

1020
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: Alans is coming off back to back wins against Karnaki,

1021
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: which are which are very credible winds. And the other

1022
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: thing is PBC's plan all along was for Deontay Wilder.

1023
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: Now they thought he would be defending his WBC title

1024
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: because they felt like he would beat Tyson Fury. The

1025
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: plan all along, from PBC's perspective, was for Deontay Wilder

1026
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to fight Adam Karnosky at Barclay Center. Because Karnoski is

1027
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn, they would have drawn a huge crowd. The

1028
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: Polish people would have come out and drove stor I

1029
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: mean it was sold the building out with a great event.

1030
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Well he's now fighting the guy who

1031
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: beat Pronofski twice. That makes perfect sense. I mean this

1032
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: is not surprising, like like you could have predicted if

1033
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: the last October. Who say, Okay, Deonta Wilder is gonna

1034
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: come back and fight, you know, nine months from now,

1035
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: a year from now. I think he's gonna fight Hellaneous.

1036
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. That would Connecting those dots was

1037
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: not difficult. And that's ultimately and also Llaneous was owed

1038
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: a seven figure payday after beating uh Pronoski second time. Well,

1039
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: who you're gonna pay him seven figures to fight exactly

1040
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: besides Deontay. Yeah, look, I think Millennius is a perfectly

1041
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: reasonable opponent for Deontay Wilder um for all the reasons

1042
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: you said. I don't think like I think the I

1043
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: think his wins are more a product of Adam Kovnowski's

1044
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: weaknesses than they are necessarily a resurgence of Robert Hillenneus.

1045
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: I think he's still the same guy that was stopped

1046
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: by Gerald Washman, still the same guy that was stopped

1047
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: by Yell and Dappas. But he does have those two wins,

1048
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: which makes him credible in this situation. And Deontay Wilder,

1049
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: if he's anything close to the guy we've seen in

1050
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: recent years, he should score a devastating knockout win. He should.

1051
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: That should be the outcome um of this fight. I'm

1052
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: curious to see kind of how it plays out, though,

1053
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: Like is it a drawn out war where you know,

1054
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Lennius lands some big shots and Wilder struggles with him

1055
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: at times. That'll tell me a little bit something about

1056
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: where wild there is as he approaches that thirty seventh birthday.

1057
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see in you know, how that

1058
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: plays out in that respect. Um, As far as kind

1059
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: of the future of Wilder, we don't need to get

1060
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame debate necessarily. That will come

1061
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: whenever his career is over. But look, I think this

1062
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: next you know rain as he likes to call it,

1063
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: is important for his legacy because look, the chapter of

1064
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: his career that included the WBC heavyweight title, that included

1065
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: the three fights against Tyson Fury. That's over. Like you know,

1066
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: it was a good run, it wasn't a great run

1067
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: because he didn't get a win over Fury and his

1068
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: best win up until that point was the back to

1069
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: back wins over Louis Ortiz. He's gonna have some opportunities now, Keith,

1070
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: if he gets through Villennious to get some of those

1071
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: legacy defining fights. Presumably there's a fight against Andy Ruise

1072
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: to be made in the first half of three. Anthony

1073
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Joshua is still out there. Tyson Fury has even come

1074
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: out and said, look, I'll fight Wilder a fourth time

1075
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: if he becomes my mandatory for that title. I'm not

1076
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: so sure that's I don't know who I don't we

1077
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: really need to see that necessarily, but you know, there

1078
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: are real opportunities for Wilder to establish the legacy that

1079
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: he believes he has, if that makes any sense, Like there,

1080
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: this is like a stretch for him the next year

1081
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: year and a half where he can really established himself

1082
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: as one of the best heavyweights of this area. Is

1083
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: already one of the biggest, if not the biggest puncher

1084
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: of this era at any weight, but in terms of

1085
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: legacy names on his resume, quality wins. This feels like

1086
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: his opportunity. It feels like that window'keeth strangely is now

1087
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: wide open. Yeah, it's interesting, Chris, because I do see

1088
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: the Ruise fight. Uh, everyone sees the Ruise fight is

1089
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: very makeable. It makes perfect sense. They've they've headlined back

1090
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: to back Fox Sports pay per view shows here for

1091
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: a reason, because you know that you would think that

1092
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: there on a collision of course to fight each other. Now,

1093
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: that might not be the fight that Wilder wants or

1094
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: that Ruise wants, but from the PBC perspective, that's the

1095
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: fight you could make. You have two former heavyweight champions.

1096
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: You know you could put it on pay per view,

1097
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: and you know it wouldn't be the biggest pay per

1098
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: view fight that you could make. But this is the

1099
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: guy who knocked Joshua out against you long reigning heavyweight champion.

1100
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense those other fights, Chris, I don't

1101
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: know that those those fights happen. I don't for one

1102
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: second excuse me that Joshua was going to fight Yante Wilder.

1103
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. Um, it doesn't make sense. He

1104
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: could find you know, if he could go fight Fury,

1105
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: and you know, we know what just happened there. But

1106
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: let's just say they could go make that fighter. He

1107
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: could fight some you know, someone else. I don't see

1108
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn putting him in the ring with Wilder because

1109
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: he's just such a huge puncher. And then what are

1110
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: you getting out of it at this point, Like he

1111
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have the WBC title, he's already been beaten by

1112
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, And if the Fury fight is really available

1113
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: for Joshua at some point, I would focus on making that.

1114
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: It just makes much more business sense, particularly in the

1115
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: United Kingdom. Um is I now, I know Us says

1116
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: that he's coming to the fight and he wants to

1117
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: fight Wilder. Why in the world would Alexander USA come

1118
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: off of the fight against Joshua and then fight Wilder.

1119
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Go fight Fury. All the titles

1120
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: are at stake, You'll go make an enormous amount of money.

1121
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: What what purpose would serve from the outside look in,

1122
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: what purpose would it serve exactly for us to go

1123
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: fight Wilder, the guy who Fury will beat back to

1124
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: back fights, knocked them out viciously in the third fight.

1125
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: What purpose does that serve except perhaps getting clipped by

1126
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: the bigness punch er of this error and getting knocked out.

1127
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: It makes no sense, right, I think there's there's a

1128
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of posturing going on right

1129
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: now in the heavyweight division where you know people threatened.

1130
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you said showing up to the

1131
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: Wilder fight, Fury talking about facing Joshua. I think ultimately

1132
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: Fury us to get together in the first half and

1133
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: that is decided one way or the other. Wilder. Let's

1134
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: see what happens with this fight, Let's see what happens

1135
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: with Andy Ruiz, and then we'll see where the belts

1136
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: are at that point and what, um, what the landscape

1137
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: ultimately looks like. All right, last thing for you, Keith

1138
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: Over in the UK, the women's card that was scuttled

1139
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: after the death of the Queen last month, it is

1140
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: back on. I gotta tell you, I am very interested

1141
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: in this card. Um. You have Claressa Shields against Vannah

1142
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: Marshall at the top, but the fight that interests me

1143
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: the most is this Mikhaela mayor Alicia bum Garner, which

1144
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: quite frankly should be a main event in the US

1145
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: on ESPN somewhere, it's like that's spicy a matchup. You

1146
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: see these two just going back and forth, whether it's

1147
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 1: on social media, there, at the press conferences this week,

1148
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: at the fighter workouts this week, kind of nose two

1149
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: knows they do not like each other. Keith, and this

1150
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: is a quality, relevant fight at a hundred and thirty pounds,

1151
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: which will pretty firmly established who the top fighter in

1152
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: that weight classes. So Shields Marshall, mayor bum Gardner. Which

1153
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: one of the two are you most looking forward to? Well, personally,

1154
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm more looking forward to the Shields Marshall fight, just

1155
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: because there's the history there. You know. Claressa Shields. Um, Look,

1156
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't see any way that she's not the best

1157
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: pound for pound fighter in women's boxing. And other people

1158
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: have said that Katie Taylor, I don't get it. I mean,

1159
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: Claressa Shields is a threeweight world champion in her first

1160
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: professional fight, fought someone who later became the undisputed super

1161
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: middleweight champion in her first professional fight and beat her.

1162
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: She's barely lost around in any of her fights. She's

1163
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: not a knockout puncher. Um. You know, maybe some of

1164
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: that is related to minute rounds and such. But but

1165
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: she's fighting a big puncher, you know, a woman, the

1166
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: only woman to have ever beaten her in a boxing match.

1167
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: So that alone, and she's and she's going into her

1168
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: home country to do it, and that to me is

1169
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: more entreating just from the boxing standpoint. Now, I didn't

1170
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: think I would have been able to say this three

1171
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: or four months ago, but there was actually more animosity

1172
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: between Mikhaela Mayer and Alicia bum Garner than than Clarssa

1173
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: Shields and Savannah Marshall. I would not have predicted that,

1174
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: but there clearly is. So that's gonna be an excellent

1175
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: fight as well. But I just think the more, in

1176
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, more meaningful fight is Claressa Shields against Savannah

1177
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: Marshall because she's again the only woman who has ever

1178
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: beaten her. And and I mean seriously, other than her

1179
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: being knocked down by Hannah Gabriel's than in the earlier

1180
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it was the first round of that fight.

1181
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: Has anyone come close to touching the rest of Shields.

1182
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean, she embarrassed. She didn't beat Christie to have

1183
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: she embarrassed her. She was an undefeated world long reigning

1184
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: world champion, and she couldn't lay a glove on her

1185
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: for ten rounds. So she's an elite level fighter, I understand. Know.

1186
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: I think even if you ask Claressa in a quiet moment,

1187
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe she's She gets carried away on social

1188
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: media sometimes you know, like she's but she's not. But

1189
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: she's not afraid um to voice her opinion and to

1190
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: and to uh further established her brand. Um. All of

1191
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: that is what's helped make her a great fighter. So

1192
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: she again, if there's someone better pound for pound that

1193
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: has proven it over the last few years in women's

1194
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: boxing than her, I really like a real explanation for that.

1195
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: Because Katie Taylor, we could argue lost to Delphine Pursue

1196
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: in the first fight. You could certainly argue that she

1197
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: almost got knocked out by Amanda Serrano and last fight,

1198
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: no one's doing that too. Now caresses in with a

1199
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: big puncher, I mean, and that's the whole point of

1200
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: the fight, right, I mean, she's you know, she's not

1201
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: the boxer that caressa shield is that's there's no two

1202
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: ways about that. But she can't punch, So I think

1203
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: the intrigue in that fight for me personally, does it

1204
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: a little more than the Mayor bub Gardner fight. But

1205
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: but that's a very good fight, and it's a unification

1206
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: fight in the hundred and thirty pound division. And then

1207
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: what appears to be genuine hatred among them between them

1208
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: is wow. I mean, did she call her a Karen today?

1209
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: Is that? What happened to? Uh? You know, there's some

1210
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: there's some language. It's getting heated out there in the UK.

1211
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: And the one thing I would say, Christ that's unfortunate

1212
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: for this for this event is what of course you

1213
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: are the queen dying is a once in a lifetime situation,

1214
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: and of course they have their protocols there and you

1215
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: just you just feel bad for the for the women

1216
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: who would train and gone through an entire training camp

1217
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: and they're ready to weigh in, and they go through

1218
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: a press conference even and they don't even know up

1219
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: until the minute you know that they're supposed to be

1220
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: in that the fight's off. I mean, that's a tough

1221
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: turnaround to then go back to the States, go back

1222
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: to training camp, then come back to ye know that

1223
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot to go through, you know, Savannah Marshall

1224
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: is the best thing that could ever happen to Claressa

1225
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: Shields because Katie Taylor had Amanda Serrano, like have the

1226
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: natural rival that led to the great fight this past spring.

1227
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: In fact, Katie Taylor has had a depth of quality

1228
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: opponents that Claressa Shields has not had, which is not

1229
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: too dismiss franciawn Cruise Discern or Hannah Gabriel's or Christina Hammer,

1230
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: but Claressa Shields is just on a different level than that.

1231
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: Now she might be on a different level than Savannah

1232
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Marshall too, Like Savannah Marshall has been knocking people out,

1233
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: but Claressa is fully capable of just boxing circles around her.

1234
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: But we won't know that until the end of the

1235
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: tenth round or whatever round it ends in this fight.

1236
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: Right now, it's the most compelling end interested I've been

1237
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: in a Claressa Shields matchups since she turned pro simple

1238
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: as and we we just haven't had that like there

1239
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: was for a couple of Katie Taylor fights, whether it

1240
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: was to a lesser degree Jessica McCaskill that was at

1241
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: one forty um Delphine pursued the rematch obviously, Amanda Serrano.

1242
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: Like we've been interested in Katie Taylor fights at a

1243
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: high level before the fight, we haven't been as interested

1244
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: in Claressa fights, even when she's fighting for undisputed championships.

1245
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: This time we are because Savannah Marshall has the amateur win.

1246
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: Savannah Marshall has knockout power. Savannah Marshall and Peter Fury

1247
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: are talking an enormous amount of ship and have been

1248
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: for months now. I'm just exciting, Keith. I love it.

1249
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 1: I love a natural rivalry like this, which I think

1250
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: will I don't know what it does for Claressa long term,

1251
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: but this will be here her if she wins, this

1252
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: will be your signature win. This will be even even

1253
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: if she's one undisputed championships before, and this is technically

1254
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: for the undisputed title at one sixty. Uh, this will

1255
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: be whenever she's not. This is our biggest fight and

1256
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: it's because Savannah Marshall is such a natural rival to her. Absolutely,

1257
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: I agree, Chris. I mean because they're the intrigue is there,

1258
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: because it's it's pure elite level boxer against a huge puncher.

1259
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: She's of course Savanna Marshall has fought a much lower

1260
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: level of opposition overall than Haressa Shields has um but

1261
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: she's been knocking people out. She's you know, well we

1262
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: know it's ten knockouts. I think so um hm, you

1263
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Speaker 1: know that. That's that's the intrigue. And that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: more to answer your original question. That's why I'm more

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Speaker 1: interested in it because, like you said, Harresta Shields has

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Speaker 1: been so dominant, like you almost go into her fights thinking,

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Speaker 1: all right, well she's not a huge puncher or anything,

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Speaker 1: but this is gonna be a ten rounds to nothing whitewash.

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Speaker 1: And you know who she's gonna fight next, Well, this

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Speaker 1: next for quite some time, and now it's here. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fun Saturday, multiple good cards, three different continents, men's, women's,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff. Is the kind of Saturday

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Speaker 1: that boxing needs after the last couple of weeks. Keith,

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: good luck at the fight at Barclay's on Saturday. And

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate you coming on this ch I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Plant is the former IBF super Middleweight Champion on Saturday night.

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: He is back for the first time since losing his

1299
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: title to Canelo Alvarez when he takes on Anthony Durrellicis

1300
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: fight you can see as part of the event headlined

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: by the heavyweight matchup between Deontay Wilder and Robert Lennius,

1302
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: and Caleb is here to talk about his fight, maybe

1303
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: a couple of other things. So, Kayleb, but it has

1304
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: been eleven months since your loss to Canello, the first

1305
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: loss of your pro career. Um, What are those loven

1306
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: months been like for you? Was it difficult to get past?

1307
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: Was it easy? How would you describe it? Um? Well,

1308
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was obviously disappointing to lose. I don't

1309
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,480
Speaker 1: get in I don't think anybody gets into boxing to lose. Um.

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, with some of his other competitors, you know,

1311
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: it seemed like they almost put it, just kind of

1312
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: showed up for a check. But obviously, with you know,

1313
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: everything I did, the success I had, it's not like

1314
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: I was showing up for a check. So I was

1315
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: disappointed and losing, but that didn't encourage me from, you know,

1316
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do moving forward in my career

1317
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't discourage my confidence. You know, I'm not the type

1318
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: of person to sit around look my wounds and feel

1319
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: sorry for myself. And you know that may have been

1320
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: my first, uh loss in the ring, but you know,

1321
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: I take a many losses in life, and I've had

1322
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: the chance to bow out and uh, you know say

1323
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: that this is too much for me. So you know,

1324
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: one about that night of boxing out of three in

1325
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: six or five days, is it gonna you know, do

1326
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: anything to my confidence or or discourage me from what

1327
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: I want to do. So it's been a minute since

1328
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: I've been in the ring. But um, you know, surely

1329
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: after the fighting, me, my team, we got back to

1330
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: work and uh you know, clean some things up, kept

1331
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: working a lot of things we had success with and

1332
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: we're ready to fight. So you say, you don't You're

1333
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that sits around and licks

1334
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: his wounds, are you? Are you the kind of guy

1335
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: that kind of obsesses over what you could have done?

1336
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: Like were you watching it back a whole bunch of

1337
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: times thinking about what you might have been able to do? No,

1338
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm not, um the type of guy to look you

1339
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: know too much in the past. Uh look back at

1340
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: the fight I watched. I watched the fight multiple times.

1341
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: I know some of the things that I could have

1342
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: done better, And you know, moving forward, I have that

1343
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: experience under my belt now and I can you know,

1344
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: shopping those things up on my team, like I said,

1345
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: and and just keep moving forward. So talk to me

1346
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: about kind of using that experience. Are there things you

1347
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: have been able to take away from that experience that

1348
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: you believe will make you a better fighter moving forward? Absolutely?

1349
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: You know, being in that type of situation, being in

1350
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: that environment in media, I never felt with too much

1351
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: for me the fight ninth, the crowd even, but oh,

1352
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: experience isn't something that you can buy. You gotta go

1353
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: through the fire to get it. I felt like I've

1354
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: done that. I feel like I've done that with grace.

1355
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Um you know, I went out on my shield. It's

1356
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: not like I just quit or anything, but I went

1357
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: out on my shield, and um, I I got a

1358
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: lot of respect for the fight after that. I got

1359
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: more respect after that fight, after losing a fight than

1360
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: any fight that I've ever won, which is crazy to me,

1361
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: but so you know, to these are the big fights

1362
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: that I'm moving into. You know that that's priceless. I

1363
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: want to ask you about something andre Ward said recently

1364
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: during an appearance on ESPN, he was asked about the

1365
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: resume of Canelo Alvarez. Here's what he said. It's tricky

1366
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,879
Speaker 1: and it's complicated because on the surface, he's fought everybody,

1367
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: He's done everything, he's taken all the risk. If you

1368
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: know what you're looking for when you look at some

1369
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: of those names he fought, he doesn't have a lot

1370
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: of prime names on his resume. That being said, I

1371
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: think Canelo is a great talent. I think he's had

1372
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: a great career, and of course he's a Hall of Famer,

1373
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But I don't know if I

1374
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit more window dressing with his

1375
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: record than than what people realize in his career. So

1376
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: you are one of those names, Caleb, You were undefeated

1377
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: and very much in your prime. You also have a

1378
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: relationship with andre Ward. What's your reaction to that. Yeah,

1379
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think his answer was more detailed than

1380
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: just speaking generally of everyone that he's ever fought. And uh,

1381
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know without you being in part of box,

1382
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you know as well. Uh, I know

1383
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: that as well. But you know, for maybe some of

1384
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: the viewers at home. Um, obviously it's not like I'm

1385
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: order out of my prime only being thirty. So I

1386
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: don't think that he meant that for every opponent that

1387
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: he's ever faced. I just think that he meant that

1388
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: forum a hand for or some of the phonests that

1389
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: he's fought. Yeah, certainly, whether it was you, you were

1390
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: a much in your prime, Callum Smith was in his prime,

1391
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: Billy Joe Saunders in his primes face some prime guys,

1392
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: would you agree? He seems like, whether it's you, Billy

1393
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: Joe Saunders, Callum Smith. You know, during that run at

1394
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: super middleweight, he has faced some prime guys. Yeah, I'd

1395
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: say so, m Um. So you're going up against Anthony

1396
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: Darrell in this fight, and I gotta be honest, Caleb,

1397
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see a Caleb Plant Anthony Durrell war of

1398
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: words rising to this level. I was at that kickoff

1399
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: press conference in Brooklyn last month and Durrell he really

1400
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: went at you on a personal level. And I was

1401
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: watching his interviews this week and he says things like

1402
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't like you, doesn't respect to you, and even

1403
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: when this fight is over, he's not going to shake

1404
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: your hand. I mean, has has this animosity that Durrell

1405
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: seems to have surprised you. Um, I mean it's not

1406
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: surprising just because you know, from a distance you can

1407
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of see how he carries himself, and you know

1408
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: the things that the antics he tries to pull before

1409
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: he fights. I mean, even when he fought by Jack

1410
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: years ago, um at the way ends trying to get out,

1411
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: get up, run run after him, get all up in

1412
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: his face, act like he was going to fight him.

1413
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: And you know, the same thing with Sakio Bika. Um

1414
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: So you know now that I've been around boxing a

1415
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: long com so I'm nothing surprised to me. But as

1416
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: far as like B's hanging out or kicking it, you know,

1417
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: I've never really even had an interaction with him. Um So,

1418
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: uh if he thinks he hates me now, then you know,

1419
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: come out to her fifteen. He don't have he don't

1420
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of reasons to hate me. So it's

1421
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: almost like he's turned this whole thing into like some

1422
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: type of therapy session and talking about how he don't

1423
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: like me and nobody else likes me. And you know,

1424
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: as if I would care about any of that. I'm

1425
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,560
Speaker 1: not in boxing so that you know, my competitors that

1426
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: people across from me like me or you know, I

1427
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: don't concern myself with that. I can concern myself with

1428
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: my team and focusing and staying on the straight and

1429
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: narrow and um. You know, but he's easily distracted by

1430
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things. You always see him yelling at

1431
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: the talking to the reff, crying the reff, talking to

1432
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: the crowd, and he he don't need to be worried

1433
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: about how I carry myself for what I do. He

1434
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: should be focused on himself. And maybe if he focused

1435
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: on himself more throughout his career, he may have had

1436
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: a successful title fence along the way, but he's never

1437
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: had a successful title fence. I felt kind of like

1438
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: we're back in high school with some of that, Like

1439
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't like you, and everybody else doesn't like you either. Yeah. Yeah,

1440
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like some high school druming to me. I

1441
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: don't concern myself with things like that. I'm focused on

1442
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: the task at hand. Um, I'm a competitor. I'm a

1443
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: high level, competitive, world class competitor, and you know, I

1444
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: could give a ship less. You know, if people don't

1445
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: like me or or you know, he says, I'm an

1446
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: asshole because after the fight has done, you know the

1447
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: way I carry myself for act. But I've always shook

1448
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: my competitor's hands. I've always respected them for getting the

1449
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: ring with me. But then here he is saying that

1450
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: after the fight he's not going to shake my hand, So,

1451
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, kind of ironic. Um, but he's an idiot,

1452
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: he's a dumb ass. And after this fight he's gonna

1453
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: be retired anyway. So I ain't really gonna matter. Are

1454
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: you expecting a tough fight? Um, I'm gonna expect an

1455
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: ambitious ass woman. So, um, you have a new voice

1456
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: in your corner for this fight. Steven Edwards, a well

1457
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: known guy in boxing, work with Jay Rock Williams, former

1458
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: four pound champion, among others. He will join your father

1459
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: in your corner on Saturday. Can you explain why you

1460
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: felt the need to kind of build out your team

1461
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: for this fight? Um, yeah, it was just kind of

1462
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: a situation that came about. And so you know, there's

1463
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: a few guys in boxing whose opinion I respect um

1464
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: on a level for them to you know, be able

1465
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: to be in that position, and um, he's one of them.

1466
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: So he's um. Even before we got together and he

1467
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: was on on this team, he's someone who I would

1468
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: reach out to to ask about scenarios in boxing. You know,

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01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: what he thinks about this scenario, what he thinks about that.

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Speaker 1: And he's got a really analytical approach of the game

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01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: as well, you know, as do I and UM. So

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Speaker 1: I really liked that about him. His his fight i

1473
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: Q is really high. He's also a boxing historian, which

1474
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: I respect. And you know, so he came to Vegas

1475
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we got some work in. It

1476
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: went real well. I went to Philly a couple of times.

1477
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: I got some work in, and the chemistry has been great. Um,

1478
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: even before, like I said, he got on the team,

1479
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: but obviously being on the team, the chemistry has been

1480
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: great between me, him, him and my dad and all

1481
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 1: three of us has been real seamless, and so, uh,

1482
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's a perfect fit. He's a great coach,

1483
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: and we're excited to you know, you know, uh finish

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: off this journey together. Was this a reaction to the

1485
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: Canelo loss? Did you feel after that fight you needed

1486
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: to add something else to get to that next level? Uh? No, Uh,

1487
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: last question for you. You you've said many times you

1488
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: want to get back to the top, you want the

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01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: rematch with Cannelo Alvarez, and that you're willing to kind

1490
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: of face those top names and go up there and

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01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: face those top guys to do that. You are promotionally

1492
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: in a great position. You runder the same banner as

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: David Benavidez, Jamal Charlotte, among others, including Anthony Darrell A

1494
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys though seem to be only fighting around

1495
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: once a year. How confident are you that you can

1496
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: be active enough to get those fights to get back

1497
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: to the level where you want to be at. Um, Well,

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: right now, I'm really just focused on fifteen the October,

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, UM, and and handling business and fashion. You know,

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01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be wise of me right

1501
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: now to get too concern with who I'm fighting next,

1502
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: or how many times I need to be fighting, or

1503
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: you know, anything of that man or I'm really happy

1504
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: with how my career has been handled up until this

1505
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: point and thus far with Al Hayman and Loose to

1506
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: CUBIS and PBC, they've done a great job. Um you know,

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: if you you know, like you just said, I'm in

1508
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: a great position. I'm in one of the best positions

1509
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: in boxing. That's only with twenty two fights, um, and

1510
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: that's a lot less than a lot of most of

1511
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: these guys. So I'm happy with where I'm at. But

1512
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: right now I'm just focused on the test of hand

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01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: with this weekend October fifteen, and then you know, we'll

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: look to move forward and see what's next for the future. Okay,

1515
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: it's good to have you back, man, Um, glad to

1516
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: see in a position to get more big fights, and

1517
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: thanks for your time and when we come back. This

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Speaker 1: Time now for this week's picks, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: our friends over at fan Duel. In this week, I

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Speaker 1: am going to do something I have never done on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. I Am not only gonna pick one fight,

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: not two fights, not three fights. I want to pick

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01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: four fights. I'm going to give you four winners. That's

1544
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Speaker 1: eight bets in total to make that I think will

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Speaker 1: help you get rich this weekend. I'm very confident in

1546
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: my picks going into this weekend. I want to start

1547
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: with the heavyweight fight between Deontay Wilder and Robert Lennius.

1548
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: Wilder returning after a year layoff, Llennius he's got some

1549
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: momentum after back to back wins over Adam of Nasky

1550
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: wild there's a big favorite, understandably, so minus eight fifty

1551
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: according to fan Duel, I like that bet though a lot.

1552
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: You can park your money on Deontay Wilder. He is

1553
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: going to win that fight. He's also going to win

1554
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: by knockout minus three fifty. Not the best of odds,

1555
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: but while they doesn't go to decisions, he doesn't. He

1556
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: wins by knockout. So if you bet big on Deontay

1557
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: Wilder by knockout, you have a chance to win some money.

1558
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: Over in Australia, Devin Haney against George Campbosis Devin Haney

1559
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: minus eleven hundred right now. Again not great odds, but

1560
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Devin Haney I think showed in that first fight that

1561
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: he is on a different level than George camp Boss

1562
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: and I just don't think that camp Boss has the

1563
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: skills to be able to make the kind of adjustments

1564
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: you need to make to be more competitive against Devon Hayes.

1565
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 1: So take Devon Hated to win at minus eleven hundred.

1566
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: I think he wins by decision as well. Minus two

1567
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: fifty there for Devon Haney by decision. George might attempt

1568
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: to make this something of a brawl, in which case

1569
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: we could see a knockdown, maybe two knockdowns. But Devin

1570
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: Haney strength is as a boxer and I think he

1571
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: wins this fight by decision. Over in Australia making it

1572
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: too straight against George Campbosas. Over in the UK, MICHAELA

1573
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: Mayre Alicia Bomb Gardener the coal made event of the

1574
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: Big ESPN Women's Show this weekend. MICHAELA Mayre minus three

1575
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: fifty favorite. I like her a lot to win this

1576
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: fight bomb Gardner. She's got power, no question about it.

1577
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: You go back and watch that one punch knockout against

1578
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Terry Harper. That will show you the kind of power

1579
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,839
Speaker 1: that Atlicia bomb got her has. But I think MICHAELA

1580
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: Mayre is a more skilled fighter. She's a former Olympian,

1581
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: she's got more depth to her resume, She's faced more

1582
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: top fighters in and around her weight class. I think

1583
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: MICHAELA Mayre is going to win this fight now how

1584
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: she wins. MICHAELA Mayre is another one that doesn't knock

1585
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: a lot of people out, so I think she wins

1586
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: by decision as well. It's minus two thirties, so around

1587
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: the same odds from Acayla mar to win and to

1588
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: win by decision. But I think that's how this fight

1589
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: ultimately plays out. Great fight, a lot of bad blood

1590
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: between these two women. I think it could be fun

1591
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: as long as it last. But I think Michael a

1592
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: Mayor a little bit better than Alicia Bumgarner going into

1593
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: this fight. The main events over in the UK Claressa

1594
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: Shields against Savannah Marshall. The rivalry finally finishes in the

1595
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: ring between two women that have been circling each other

1596
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: since the amateur days. Claressa's Shields just a minus one

1597
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: thirty six favorite to win. At one point she was

1598
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: an underdog. I didn't really understand that Savannah Marshall is

1599
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: a big puncher, excellent fighter, but Clarisa is just next

1600
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: level good and Claressa's talking a big game about going

1601
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: and hurting her and knocking the route. We'll get to that,

1602
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: but I think Claressa Shields wins this fight, and I

1603
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: think she has the skill set to win it convincingly.

1604
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 1: One sixty is a good size for Claressa Shields. Savannah

1605
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: Marshall is always danger with that right hand. She's gonna

1606
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: be in great Shape's got a great corner in Peter Fury.

1607
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: But I think Claressa Shields wins that fight. How she wins,

1608
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: she ain't gonna win by knockout. So you're best chance

1609
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: of winning some big money. Here is the bet on

1610
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: Shields by points or decision plus one ten to win

1611
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: by decision, and that's that's a bet I'd make big.

1612
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna make one bet and I'm gonna go

1613
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: big on any of them, I would go big on

1614
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Claressa Shields by decision. She is an active puncher, volume puncher,

1615
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: but about how much he tries to be. She's not

1616
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: a big puncher, and I think she's going to have

1617
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: a tough time hurting Savannah Marshall. I do think this

1618
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: fight winds up being an eight to seven three type

1619
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: of decision. I think Claressa Shields is just on a

1620
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: different level skill wise then Savannah Marshall. But this is

1621
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: your chance to make some money. Lorressa Shields plus one

1622
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: ten by decision. Bet on that bet on all four fights,

1623
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: and we will reconvene on Monday and see how it

1624
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: came out. Because I'm doing it and I intend to

1625
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: get back to my winning ways. It's been a tough

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01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks with bets. Thank you Sebastian Vandor for

1627
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: not being able to finish off Carlso Campo last week.

1628
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: But I think this is the week I get on

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01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: tracked and like I do it with four big wins.

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