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They don't go to the office, 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: they build it. 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: Welcome back to our ongoing coverage here live at the 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: Indiana the Indiana Convention scenarios. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: Do you do that every time? I do it every time? Yeah. 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: Right, we are in Indianapol. We are in Indianapolis. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: So the last I checked, my brain is not that 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: fried yet. Just for like eight years a row, you've 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: done it every time? 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: Pretty much? 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty glad. I'm not responsible. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we are live here at the NFL Scouting Bomb, 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Max Starks, Matt Williamson, Dale Lallie here with you. I 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: will be here, well, Max will be here until three o'clock. 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: Matt and I will be here until four. You're listening 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh and guys, 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: I wanted to mention one thing. So this morning we 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: have linebackers, edge rushers, and defensive linemen are all the 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: guys who are their media availability this morning. So I'm 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: waiting over there to talk to some different guys I 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: want to I'd like to see them up close, see 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: how they answer questions. I'm not necessarily there to ask 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: them any questions, but one of the guys I wanted 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: to see talk and was to Andandre Sweat talked about 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: him yesterday and his media availability was supposed to be 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: at ten am, and then the next thing you know, 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: there's about there were by eight defensive linemen who were 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: supposed to come up, and they all got pushed back, pushback, 37 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: pushed back to and Andre Sweat continue to get pushed 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: back until now he's speaking at two o'clock. 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: What does that signal to you, Max? It either signals 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 3: that there was additional testing needed after he went through 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: the battery of tests because every team physician slash trainer 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: has to put hands on every guy goes through. So 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: you got thirty two of those, which is the real 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: purpose of this. That's the real purpose of that. That 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: was the intent of why we have a combine, right, 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: And so from there they'll make recommendations about if I 47 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: want to see additional scans or I need additional stuff, 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: now I go. Now they go through the true medical 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: over at the IU hospital. And the problem is if 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: he needs an MRI scan, Well, if anybody's been through 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: an MRI for one guy, one person, one body part, 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: it could be an hour to an hour and a half. 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: You put ten guys there, boom boom, boom, boom boom, 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: stacks up and say you go through that. You weren't 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: originally scan a schedule for a scan because they have 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: some guys who come in that had a leg injury, 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: like a Jordan Travis, We're going to we need him 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: scan before we even they just sent him right over. Yeah, 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: they're like, hey, don't even worry about Yeah, yeah, exactly. God. 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: So when you have the late ads, that's where it 61 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: becomes a problem. And so if he got scanned, because 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: I had that happen to me where I had a 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: high ankle sprain like training camp my senior year in. 64 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: College, and I recovered from it. 65 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: I was fine, But they were like, oh, you had 66 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: Hindele spray, go get it, Tomri. I'm like, what I'm not, 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: it's not on my list because you get the list 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: and you get here, and so that they find new stuff. 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: They find new stuff that they think they want to try. 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: And if one team asked for it, you're getting it. 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if thirty one other teams passed you 72 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: and it wasn't an issue. So if one team asked 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: for an additional scan of anything, So I had to 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: go get my ankle scan. Well, I missed my bench press. 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I missed my complete media availability. And because 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: I was there behind four other guys and it took 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: six hours just to get me in and that's not 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: including my actual anesaging time. So it was seven hours 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: in and I had this done. It was in the 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: towards the middle of the night by the time I 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: finally got my scanning. So I think that might be 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: what it is versus anything else. This isn't a jailing Carter. 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: Situation like that. 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think I think it's because he got 85 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: backed up over at on the medical side and now 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: he has to push back and be separate. Because I 87 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: remember I had to do my bench rest with the 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: d line like and I had to do it like 89 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: the next morning. So you still get them in. 90 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you still get him in. 91 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: But they'll just and they had the list going and 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: they're like, all right, starts, so line jump in here 93 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: like between these two guys, and you just get into 94 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: your bitch and then they then they shuttle you off 95 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: to go do a couple of interviews and then get 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: back on track with your group because it's like a 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: little duckling's going through here, you know. 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so so you have to be on timing. 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: Anything throws off the timing, they just pull you out 100 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: of that group and you just miss whatever it is 101 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: in the moment. 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: So I think that's not necessarily something bad for to 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: Andre Sweat. No one team could have said, hey, Tovandree, 104 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: we want to see your knee. 105 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: You want to see your knee, we want to see 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: your shoulder, we want to see your elbow. 107 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: And if it wasn't if it wasn't scheduled, then you're 108 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: behind the line of everybody who already was scheduled. 109 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you fall back and you're kind of 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 3: you know, first available. As you get in, it's you know, 111 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: as a show up by appointment, right, and you're like 112 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: the walk in. 113 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: So but were there eight linemen that were all eight 114 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 5: that were all pushed back? Okay, so they were all together. 115 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: It wasn't just him. He's just the biggest name of 116 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 5: them all and the biggest human of the mall. 117 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, and he also probably and he was 118 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: also a couple hours after those guys. So it's glares 119 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: in your mind like he's like, we're waiting to see 120 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: this dude, and why is he being pushed back four hours? 121 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: That could be easily be it? 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: Okay. 123 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 5: I also always wondered, like I didn't understand that process 124 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 5: of it all. But heaven forbid, there was a major 125 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: car accident in Indianapolis or something today, you know, like. 126 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, does a combine just get bumped? You know what 127 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: I mean? 128 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: You have any idea they pushed that guy to another 129 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: level three trauma center. He doesn't this one, this one is. 130 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: Down, Yeah, we have another. 131 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: To that truck keep on truck it because because I mean, 132 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: when you go in there, I mean it is an 133 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: intricate system. When you go into the hospital system, there 134 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: are lines in the ground that are permanently there, and 135 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: you look I'm yellow line right now. You look down, 136 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: you follow the yellow line till the yellow line ends. Okay, 137 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: now switch over to the purple line. It's it's like 138 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: it's like New York transit system. Right when you get 139 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: in the subway. You just get in there and you're 140 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: just like and you weave through until you check all 141 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: the boxes. But if any one person, you know, ask 142 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: for something extra that wasn't on your list, that's when 143 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: it becomes a delay because they have everything scheduled out 144 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 3: because they get your medical before you get here, and 145 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: they plan out, Okay, we need an MRI of of 146 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: his of his left hand, we need to we need 147 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: a ct sc Yeah, well I need some X rays. 148 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: Like all of that stuff is compiled here and they 149 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: have it ahead of time because they've seen your medical. 150 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: So if anything pops up on the manual, you know, 151 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: stress tests that they're doing on you, then boom, you 152 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: got to go get additional scans. So it's it's a 153 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: pretty intensive process that they go through, which was the 154 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: main thing, Like the workouts weren't the main thing here. 155 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: It was the medical and this was the only way 156 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: to get everybody's medical at one time. And that's why 157 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: this city makes more sense than a lot of other 158 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: cities because your main hospital is actually downtown and they 159 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: have the infratruction connectory to the yeah, convention center and 160 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: everything else, so you don't have to leave. 161 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: You can just walk these guys around and get it done. 162 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that, but it is a frustrating that 163 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: that's a part of where the sausage is being made. 164 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: And it's the frustrating part of this. 165 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: And like I said, I went through it, and it 166 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: sucks because you get thrown off the schedule. I remember 167 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: because I was s I don't know if you guys 168 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: remember Jacob Rogers tackle from USC Yeah, oh okay. So 169 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: we're in line waiting to go into the rooms because 170 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: they have the medical staff split into pods, so you 171 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: have four almost like divisions, right, you have four doctors 172 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: in each room, and you got to go through the 173 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: battery four to time. Go at boom, you move to 174 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: the next one. Well, Jacob Rogers is in front of me. 175 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: Jacob Rodgers has a telephone book of injuries because. 176 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 6: You're holding because you're holding your medical file like that 177 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: guy's and so I'm like, oh, this dude's getting a 178 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: lot of stuff, looked at it, and so he actually 179 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 6: looks at it and we're about to go through. 180 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: He's like, it starts. Just go in front of me, Man, 181 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: this is gonna be a while. Like like Jacob was like, yeah, man, 182 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: this is going to take a while. 183 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: Get in front of me. So, I mean, that's just 184 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: how it goes. 185 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: So they know everything before you get there, and then 186 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: it's the add ons that really throw off. 187 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: The schedule and how far back on that stuff should 188 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: they go with you? Like are they looking looking? Obviously 189 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: they know your high school injuries. I was assume, yeah, 190 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: well because your high school injury or in your college report. 191 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: In your college report, so they have your entire college report. 192 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: If you broke an arm when you were riding a 193 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: bike when you were seven, is that in there? 194 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: That that's in the FBI backgrocher Because because the FBI 195 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: background check, they went back to my fourth grade principal 196 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: at my elementary school to get a background check on me. 197 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: I'll never forget that. 198 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sorry because I just happened to 199 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: randomly be back home and she was like, hey, I'm 200 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: glad everything worked out for you. This FBI agency called 201 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: and was asking about your character back in nineteen ninety one. 202 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sorry, what she's like? Yeah, yeah, 203 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: they called me and they go extensive. And the Browns 204 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: even go further. 205 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 5: I said, in the years with the Browns, the guy 206 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 5: in charge of the backroom check was a secret service 207 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 5: agent that ran next to President Bush's car. 208 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was maxing the womb. 209 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. Was he a rough kicker or was he smooth? 210 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: You know? 211 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: I mean, but that's I mean, it was crazy because 212 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: like my high school ad he told me, he was like, hey, 213 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: I just got a call for a background check, and 214 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: you know, and it's like and then and then you 215 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: also on your questionnaire when you fill it out for 216 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: the NFL, you give you have to give character references 217 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: of people that they can call, and they call those 218 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: people because this is a job interview. This is a 219 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: big job interview, and you're talking about millions of dollars 220 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: being transacted, you know, over this week potentially for these guys. 221 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: So they want to know every little thing about you. 222 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: And that's why I got to meet the parents, uh 223 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: live detective tests. When I went with the Browns at 224 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: the I was like, man, this is this was weird. 225 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: But but they want to know everything because no stones 226 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: on turn. That's why always tell guys you know and ask, hey, 227 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: you know, you know what do we do for for 228 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: prep for these interviews? 229 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: Tell the truth, that's it, because. 230 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: They're gonna find out if you're not, and they already 231 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 5: know they know the answer. 232 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: They just want to hear you say it and how 233 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: you're going to present it to them, you know. And 234 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: it's like like, you know because like some guys like 235 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: the weed question is always a question, right, Hey, have 236 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 3: you ever smoked marijuana? 237 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: You've ever done any any any weed? 238 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: And guys like I can't tell them yes because they're 239 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: they're going to test me all that. I said, No, 240 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: tell them because they already know the answer. Yeah, if 241 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: you had any infraction, you had any type of written 242 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: up a high school to police or anything, yeah, I 243 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: got expunged. 244 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: No, you know what, on get out in front of it. 245 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: Control your own narrative. But don't lie. 246 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: That's the one thing I tell I said, don't lie 247 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: because they will find out and that will hurt you. 248 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 5: So a couple questions arose when you were talking about 249 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 5: your time at the hospital itself and you're late and 250 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 5: all that stuff. So obviously, apparently the medical takes precedence 251 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: and trumps all this other stuff. You know, you're there, 252 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 5: You're gonna be there as long as you have to be. 253 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 5: I don't care if you miss bench, you know, I 254 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 5: don't care I interview with the envelops or whatever. Yeah, 255 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 5: so that seems like that's true. You also mentioned Maurice 256 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: Hurst comes to mind from Michigan. He had a hard 257 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 5: issue he knew nothing about. So if that pops up, 258 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 5: he's going to be there forever, I would imagine. I mean, like, 259 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 5: that's a long day. 260 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: That's a very long day because an additional battery of tests. 261 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: And that's why, that's why they take the EKGs when 262 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: you get here in the ECGs, because they want to 263 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: know everything about you. They want to know your A 264 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: one C. They're gonna they're gonna do blood draws while 265 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: you're there. They do it all they will. They will 266 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: have a complete bio map of you by the time 267 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 3: you're done here at the combine. I've been a physical 268 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 3: that none of our listeners or any of us have ever. 269 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: We've never had about your insurance or anything else. 270 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: But it would be to the same level. 271 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: If you're looking for a fighter pilot or an astronaut, 272 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: Like that's the riggers that they go through that they 273 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: don't sit you in a zero G chamber. 274 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: I feel cool. Yeah, that would be cool. That would 275 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: be cool. They were gonna throw you underwater, see along 276 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: you hold your breath. 277 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: No, but but I mean, but the bod pod that 278 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: they put you in as a compression chamber to check 279 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 3: your bone density and everything else. And you're gonna get 280 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: the EKG the ECGs, they're gonna they're gonna go you know, 281 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: I call it rooted to the tudor they're a tip 282 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: top top of your head and they're gonna go all 283 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: the way down to your feet to know every little 284 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: thing about you before they make a decision on you. 285 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: So do you remember Ruben Foster was first round pick 286 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 5: of the Niners out of Alabama, went later than expected 287 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 5: because of character stuff, hard to be around, blah blah blah, 288 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 5: and what he did here apparently, I guess he sort 289 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 5: of lost his mind at the hot at the hospital. 290 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 5: After being there six eight hours or whatever, I was like, 291 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 5: I'm done, I can't do it anymore. Yeah, but I 292 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 5: kind of get it. I mean, it's not a good look. 293 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 5: It's not a great career move. No, but you're asking 294 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 5: a lot. 295 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you're I mean, but that, But that's the 296 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: that's a part of the pressure cooker. 297 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: That is the combine. Right, it's a. 298 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: Stress it's an overall stress test on top of the net. 299 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: The stress test you're gonna actually take, and it's to 300 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: see how do you deal with adversity and how do 301 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: you overcome that? Like are you mentally tough enough to 302 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: deal with the hurry up and wait? 303 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: That is the combine. 304 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: And when you get thrown for a loop or things change, 305 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: how do you adapt and overcome? What's your what's your 306 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: soothing type method to get. 307 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 4: Through those moments? 308 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: Like you're in the hospital for eight hours and it's 309 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: like I need to see fresh air, I need to 310 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: see outside, I need to do something, I need to 311 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: walk around. And you're like, you did this before cell phones? 312 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: For yes, Yeah, you couldn't even sit there and just 313 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: look at your phone the entire time. 314 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: You can't look at your phone. There's nothing. 315 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: You're not even allowed to have the phone when you 316 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: go into the hospital right still to this day. 317 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: So if you're a. 318 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: Guy that needs attention, maybe you can now get an 319 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: ADHD test. 320 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, for eight hours. 321 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: You can't sit there for that time, but you find 322 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: different ways. And that's why you that's why you kind 323 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: of make friends with your combine guys are run. That's 324 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: why me and Jacob Rodgers were still close to this day. 325 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: Spent eight hours. 326 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: Next you had a lot of that. 327 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 3: Guys. We were together at the combine. 328 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say you were we were together at 329 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: the combine, I mean we were together and the com 330 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: we were together. 331 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: I spent more time with him than I did on 332 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: any date that I had, you know what I'm saying. 333 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: So you get to know everything about a guy when 334 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: you're sitting next to him. 335 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: So I was there. 336 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: In fact, I was there with Mewel Day more well 337 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: Day was my roommate, and so you know, I spent 338 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: and Welld was my roommate and Senior Bowl. It's funny 339 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: because they paired linemen with running backs at that time, 340 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: and so so I got to know mowel Day very well. 341 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: I got to know Jacob Rodgers because we were right 342 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: next to each other in alphabetical order. Got to know 343 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: Jacob really well. So it was It's one of those 344 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,239 Speaker 3: things like after you come out of it, you appreciate 345 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: it because you gained new relationships. But in the moment 346 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: it sucks and you're you're trying to think of everything. 347 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: I'm counting towels on the floor, you know, I'm like, well, 348 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: how many lines are actually on this floor? 349 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: We have to go to? 350 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: Okay and back and reverse? Can I say all those 351 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: lines in Spanish? 352 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: You you know, you. 353 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 5: Take naps A bad looks by the. 354 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: Cow depends on where you're at. 355 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: Like for the MRI station, I definitely took a nap 356 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: because because I had five guys in front of me, 357 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: I was like sleep. Yeah, Hey, I woke up three 358 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: am for the piss TESTA and the day has been 359 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: going ever since really, So it just you just find 360 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: different ways, and that's what they want to see how 361 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: these guys overcome. And you got guys from other teams wearing, 362 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, unmarked clothes walking through the hospital randomly, and 363 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: they're they're also checking analyzing what are you doing? And 364 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: those are off the FBI behavioral specialists, you know, guys 365 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: that have secret service CIA backgrounds. I mean, the whole 366 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: game is available to the NFL. 367 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: This guy's standing in the corner banging his head against 368 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: the wall, that's probably a bad sign that guy might 369 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: have some issues. 370 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: Great, great on a downhill third and one, but I 371 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: don't know if you can play. 372 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 4: With him every down. 373 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 5: And then all that happens, and you come out here 374 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: after all those things that they did you and you're 375 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 5: forty yard dash times a tenth of a second higher 376 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 5: than the Draftnicks thought or whatever, and you the terrible 377 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 5: combine and you stick exactly, And you wonder why guys 378 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 5: opt out until their pro day because it's like, I 379 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: can only handle one of these either take one of 380 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: these stressors out. You know, am I going to just 381 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 5: kill my medical, kill my measurements and stuff and just 382 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 5: worry about field stuff the next time I come here 383 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 5: and really kill the interviews or it's like I gotta 384 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 5: do the interviews. 385 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to do the measurables. I don't want 386 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: to do field work. I'm just here to boom boom boom. 387 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: Two days. I'm out, get my medical. 388 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: We're gone. Because the one thing that's not negotiable is 389 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: the medical, right, Like that's going to happen, right. The 390 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: other stuff negotiable, but medicals not so. 391 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: In the in the lead up to this thing, would 392 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: you recommend that the players get as much sleep as possible. 393 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: Should they start getting up at three o'clock in the morning, 394 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: so it's no big deal that they got to get 395 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: you know, go to bed at nine and get up 396 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: at four. 397 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you and it won't be a big deal 398 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: for you. 399 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: I think, I think you have to kind of prep 400 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: yourself for that. 401 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: You've got to you gotta work on your sleep cycle 402 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: being disrupt it. So like you said, I think waking 403 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: up at least at three thirty am, being able to 404 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: function and do something and then go back to sleep, 405 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: you know, take micro naps during the day, like, because 406 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: that's what your life's going to be for those three 407 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: days and they're very important three days. 408 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 4: So you need your brain function. 409 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: You're talking of different from millions of dollars. Yeah, Well, 410 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: and you see and you'll see all these kids walk 411 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: around with their backpacks. Yeah, because and there's actually your 412 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: food schedule because they're not going to stop and say, hey, 413 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: we're gonna take you guys back to the you know, 414 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: the ballroom to eat. So like, here are the snacks 415 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: you need to eat at these points. Here's here's the 416 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: what peple in your hydration packet. What type of hydration 417 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: packet that has vitamins and stuff. And at this point, 418 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: and they actually have a schedule down to the hour 419 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: of when you do that schedule that that's your facility. 420 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: You're trying to app Yeah, so they'll sit you on. 421 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 3: You're not you're screwed. Yeah, yeah, you're running. You're running 422 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: the convenience store and grabbing pringles like you're not that 423 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 3: there's anything wrong with it. 424 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: There's anything wrong with it. 425 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: But when you're coming to do this, you know you 426 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: want to put in the ninety three octan, you know'tt 427 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: throwing the eighty five optional with the corner. But I mean, 428 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: it's a science here. And that's why you see all 429 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: these different training facilities as we. 430 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 4: Walk into the convention center. 431 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: You know, teams rent out these rooms and their clubs, 432 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: like you know, Exos has their own you know, uh 433 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: Bomberno and all those guys have their own because they 434 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 3: come in there, you have your massage. You keep your 435 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: massage stick with you as well, so you're constantly keeping 436 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: your muscles loose because you know it's cold in here, 437 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: and if you're sitting in a place for an hour 438 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: just being stiff, boom hit the massage stick, get the phone, roll, 439 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: get get get a stretch band out and keep yourself 440 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: limber and flexible. So something that's keeping your nervous system 441 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 3: always alert. 442 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 2: So that day of sitting, Yeah, the next day is 443 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: you getta you gotta perform. 444 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 4: You got you. 445 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: You gotta go zero to one hundred. Yeah, and you 446 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: gotta be ready to perform. And you know, normally you 447 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: used to cycling up to that, but here there's a 448 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: lot of city like hurry up and wait and you're 449 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: sitting and like you said, the medical aspect, that's not 450 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: training or stretching. That's just a stress test on your joints. 451 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: So how do I get myself back in a mode 452 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: where I'm here to perform because at the end of 453 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: the day, that's what you're here for. Yeah, we got 454 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: to get to a process. Yeah he is. 455 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: Max starks that that you just explained the whole thing 456 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: in a nutshell. Yeah, I don't ever want to do it. 457 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're good. 458 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: He is a good short shuttles. 459 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 460 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: Things. Matt Williams and Dale Lolly here as well. 461 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: We are live at the NFL Scouting Combine here in 462 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: the Indiana Convention Center. 463 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 4: Got it. 464 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: Right, nicely done. 465 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and uh 466 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: of course Steelers Nation Radio. 467 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: We will be back with more right after this. 468 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 4: Let's go play some ball. 469 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: Always talking Black and Gold Football on SNR is continuing 470 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Copper Job twenty twenty four NFL Combine live from Indianapolis 471 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. 472 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: In Chet's new comb Challenge is now live. 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Both those dudes are pretty explosive, though. 488 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely so one of the key positions that the Steelers 489 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: are going to be keeping an eye on. I would 490 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: think at this combine, And it came up late in 491 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: the show when they dule was on with Max Starks 492 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: and myself, it's give me cornerback, and as Max said, 493 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: a lot of variety at the corner back. If you're 494 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: looking for a fall one, you can find it. You're 495 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: looking for a small one, you can find him. I 496 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: don't know why i'd look for a small one, but yeah, 497 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: I could. 498 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 3: Think maybe a nickel or yeah, something like that. 499 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: But guys that can play inside, guys that can play outside, 500 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 2: Guys that play are better at zone guys. I mean, 501 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: it's just it's a really really deep cornerback class. 502 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 5: I also think there's gonna be a suitable option, likely 503 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 5: at twenty, maybe several to pick from as we decipher three. 504 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 5: I think there's five that kind of stand out as 505 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 5: the round one guys. I was just standing over you 506 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 5: guys shoulder and I heard Max talk about the Kentucky 507 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 5: kid Phillips. 508 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: Andrew Phillips, Yeah, and I. 509 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 5: Think he might be firmly in that round two range too. 510 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 5: He's expected to really blow up here when he comes. 511 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: So I don't I don't know if you and I 512 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 5: have actually had this conversation, but I can't believe any 513 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 5: scenario in which the Steelers don't draft at least a corner. 514 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to be in the first two days 515 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: of the draft, I would say, so. 516 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: I would you know, rounds one, two or three, I 517 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: would expect one of those guys to be a cover guy. 518 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 519 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: I mean, even if they spent a decent buck on 520 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: a corner and free agency, I still think there will 521 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 5: be a corner drafted, at a minimum one of those 522 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 5: fourth round picks or earlier. 523 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 524 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: And when you look at the guys at the top, 525 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: you get, of course Terry and Arnold Quinna, Mitchell, Nate Wiggins, 526 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: kool Aid, McKinstry, and he's. 527 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: Rakestraw, Cooper Dejeen my personal favorite. 528 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Those are the guys that you're probably looking at his 529 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: first rounders. 530 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: I think so. 531 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 5: I think Rakestraw and kool Aid have aren't sure fires, 532 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 5: but they're probably in that mix. Kool Aid's not expected 533 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 5: to test particularly well, but you're a starter since your 534 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 5: true freshman year and play a lot of man coverage 535 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 5: of Bama. 536 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty strong. 537 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 5: So yes, I mean and less Dejene has worse injuries 538 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 5: injuries situation. 539 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: Than we know. 540 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: And he's not working. 541 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 5: He's not going to work out, but he's got a 542 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 5: lot of time to get a workout in before you know, 543 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 5: late April. 544 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I think I think that'll be uh, 545 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: you know that group. Then you look at that that 546 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: second round guys we mentioned uh uh you know Phillips 547 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: from from Kentucky. You're looking at TJ. Tampa who has 548 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: a steeler like look to him. 549 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean he's the tall you know, rangy guy, 550 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 5: that's an interesting player for sure. 551 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: Max Melton out of Rutgers. Another guy that's uh probably 552 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: the day two run like the wind. Yeah, and you 553 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: know like Santa Stroll if you're looking for a slot, 554 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: but probably the best pure slot. 555 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 556 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 5: This draft, I think he's a team captain, beloved, plays hard, 557 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 5: all those kind of things, too productive, just might not 558 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: blow you away physically. 559 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, guy like Cam Hard at a Notre Dame. This 560 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: combine is really important for him. He's had injuries to 561 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: both shoulders in his time at Notre Dame, so he 562 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: could be one of those guys spending a lot of 563 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: time at the MRI Mai. 564 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully not for him, but I mean he would 565 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 5: fit in really well with Pittsburgh. Also yet another big dude, 566 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 5: really big dude. Yeah, he's also expected to run really 567 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 5: well as well. So I mean there's that's a pretty 568 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: good group. 569 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: But I know there's Famari Lassiter and and Chris Abrams 570 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: drain out of Missouri and and Camal Hadding from Tennessee. 571 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: And I mean he said the last is a. 572 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 5: Brand name guy that also is expected to tear up 573 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 5: the combine. But I mean Georgia starter that was been 574 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: productive and. 575 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: When the when the draft process started, she saw a 576 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: lot of him in the first round and now he 577 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: probably slips into that second round because of the testing thing. 578 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: The same thing with McKinstry. 579 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: Really, these are guys that have been on everybody's you know, 580 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: last year lists before the season started, for the season started. 581 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: All these guys are first round draft. 582 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 5: Picks, starters at Jordia and Bama and all those things, 583 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 5: and then you start to find some of their wards 584 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 5: and whatnot. 585 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's going to be interesting to see how 586 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: this all gets slotted out here, No pun intended, but. 587 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: It's a really deep draft with these. 588 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: Guys and and and you know there's you know, Elijah 589 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: Jones from Boston College, the guy that seven interceptions the 590 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: last two seasons at Boston College. You know, Jarvis Brownley 591 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 2: from Louisville another great Yeah, good sized cornerback that I mean, 592 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: they're they're there, and this is gonna be uh you 593 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: know how this guy how these guys stack out after this? 594 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: Uh you know, maybe this guy was well he's we 595 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: thought he was a four to four guy. 596 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: He's actually a four or five five guy. 597 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: But this guy was you know, we thought he was 598 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: a four or five five guy and he was a 599 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: four to four guy. 600 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 5: It might be the position group I'm most excited to 601 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 5: watch drills, Yeah, tests, et cetera. Because there are some clumps, 602 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 5: for sure. There's needs some clusterbusters to mess you know, 603 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 5: kind of decipher some of them. 604 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, they get some separation in the groupings. 605 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 5: Or a guy like Regstraw that we thought would see 606 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl but wasn't able to go. You know, 607 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 5: so a little more information on all those guys will 608 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 5: be real helpful and it makes me reluctant to say, hey, 609 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 5: I would give twelve million dollars for a Tier two 610 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 5: free agent. Yeah, you know, but you don't want to 611 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 5: be unbelievable young at corner either. 612 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: That's the that's the conundrum that you have. We're talking cornerbacks. 613 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: Max Matches just jump back in here. You mentioned in 614 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: Andrew Phillips from Kentucky earlier, and it got me thinking 615 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: about this, just this whole group of cornerbacks. 616 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: This is such a deep and diverse class. 617 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, into that third and even 618 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: maybe that fourth round, you're gonna see some some good 619 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: players at that position available. 620 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna see a couple of Tier one guys 621 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: like go right there in the middle of the first 622 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: and then I think that run happens in day two 623 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: because like, oh. 624 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: Man, we got these guys. 625 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: They're all here, and I still have my pick of 626 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 3: the litter. 627 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: I think it was like somewhere around ten to twelve, 628 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: the first corner comes off the board, and then it's 629 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: just gonna be Yeah, corner after corner. 630 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: They don't usually last, no matter what the year. 631 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 5: I mean, We've said this before different drafts, Like good 632 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 5: corner class, it's really deep. They get scooped tackles and 633 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 5: corners get scooped up quick, no matter what. 634 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: And you don't really see a bunch of them in 635 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: the fifth, sixth, and seventh rounds house exactly. So they 636 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: moved to safety or or right. Yeah, but fourth fourth 637 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: is really your your your sweet spot to really get 638 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: the last of guys that can help you immediately. 639 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 4: And the reason why I was late. 640 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: I was actually talking to Ramone because he actually wouldn't 641 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 3: heard DeAndre Sweat Sweat speak okay, okay on here and uh, 642 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: and he fell in love with them. And there was 643 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: a lot of things, I guess a lot of questions 644 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 3: about his weight. I would think the first the first thing, 645 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: and guy's kind of talked about it. And it's funny 646 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: as Ramone goes over to him afterwards, he's like, hey, 647 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: big dog, if you're producing, don't don't worry about the weight. 648 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: But but but but great interview, he said, the kids 649 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 3: stood up there answered. There was nothing that came up 650 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: as far as why his delay was so he he 651 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: felt really confident about how he delivered himself. I'm gonna go, 652 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 3: obviously watch the interview later, but but I just wanted. 653 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 5: They have to say what he weighed in that did 654 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: he mentioned the height and weight because they did not 655 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 5: mention his height and weight last I've been searching online. 656 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: None of the stuff's out. 657 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not out yet. 658 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: They're gonna wait on that, because that's why I was like, Man, 659 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: I want to go sneak over there tomorrow. 660 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: He was the one guy that the Senior Bowl didn't 661 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: weigh in at the Senior only one. 662 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I'll blame don't blame him one bit. I 663 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: mean it might have had to bring in a different 664 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: scale for him. You know, he's at the cattle Scaleah, 665 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: just wheel this on and don't worry about it. 666 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 4: But so good enough for a cow would be good 667 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: enough for you. 668 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 5: Speaking of sweat, I don't know how familiar you are 669 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 5: with him, but I think you have a pretty good style. 670 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 5: His style of play isn't real hard to decipher. I mean, 671 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: it's pretty cut and dry. If he's sitting there in 672 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: round two, are you strongly considering it? 673 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 4: I am. 674 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 675 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 5: Dale brought it up yesterday, and I've been thinking of 676 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: a lot the last twenty four hours, and I'm like, yeah, 677 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: sign me up. 678 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. The physicality in that division, that's my sweet spot. 679 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my sweet spot for him. 680 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: And but he might he probably doesn't last to fifty two. 681 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's for everyone, but but I 682 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: think I bet he's not there. 683 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it would be tough for him to 684 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: be there. 685 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: But like you said, he necessary if you're thinking about divisions, 686 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: if you have a strong eleven personnel division, you're you're 687 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: not gonna take him, right because it's sub downs and 688 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: you don't want to end up like the Eagles with 689 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: Jmen Carter and Jordan Davis and good second and their 690 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: standards sound sideline drinking gatoray, gaining more calories, right, not sweating, 691 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So, but I think for 692 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: the Steelers, his versatility fits our style and our defensive 693 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: compliment that you could say, yep, I like him. Now. 694 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: AFC South I think is probably a division that would 695 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: look at him because of the amount of running and 696 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: because they do play a little bit more base in 697 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: twenty one personnel, So he would be attractive in that division. 698 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: I don't know how attractive he'd be in the AFC West, 699 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: but he would be attractive in the NFC West, you know, 700 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: because yeah, Niners Rams and teams that play in more 701 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: of those based So there are, like you said, there 702 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: are those fits. But you know, the Rams are still 703 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: in draft draft hell, so they're not going to be 704 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: in that one at that moment. And they still have 705 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: Aaron Donald, you know, and they and they just went 706 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: and got the young boy young. 707 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very happy. 708 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're happy with their D line structure. So 709 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: you know, you start to say and then that's all 710 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: it takes right to say a couple of his. 711 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: There's a handful of teams that don't want that style 712 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 5: of defensive tackle period. Yeah, period, and't care what division 713 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: they're in. You know, Yeah, you can. You can start 714 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 5: the window it down pretty early with like centers, nose 715 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: tackle types, certainly fullbacks, walking tight ends. Like you can 716 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 5: eliminate half the league right off the bat. So that's 717 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: what hurts those guys a little bit undrafted. 718 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: The interesting thing about it this year for the AFC 719 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: North is last year we had one offensive coordinator change. Yeah, 720 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: done in Baltimore. Well, now you've got Ken Dorsey coming 721 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: in in Cleveland. Yeah, you got Arthur here in Pittsburgh. 722 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 2: If you're the Cincinnati Bengals, for example, a lots somebody 723 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: and now their their play callers, is their head coach. 724 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: But they're still gonna have a new offensive coordinator. Yeah, 725 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 2: and the Ravens only swapped out last year. 726 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 727 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: So if you're let's say you're Baltimore, you're looking at this, Okay, 728 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: what's Cleveland gonna do offensively? What's Pittsburgh gonna do offensively? 729 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: And how do we adjust to that? 730 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 731 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna that's gonna be a big question, right, 732 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: I mean, and you're trying to figure out, Okay, well, 733 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: what's this guy's philosophy because Cleveland, as we sat here 734 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: and had Tony GROSSI right, Tony talked about Ken dorseying 735 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 3: the lack of run. 736 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 4: But yet you got Nick Chubb. 737 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: Coming off of injury and for the run with a 738 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: great offensive line. So what are you going to do 739 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: to bolster that image or are you completely blowing it 740 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: up and changing it. 741 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: That's gonna be a big question. 742 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna be a huge, you know, eleven 743 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: personnel team exactly. 744 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: The receivers, Yeah, right, they haven't they haven't had the receivers, 745 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: And like you said, if you're looking at a receiver 746 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: in the draft, that's gonna be your first signal, like, Okay, 747 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: we're trying to make a shift here to fit it 748 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: to Ken or does Stfanski say, no, We're still staying 749 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: with the same principles. We're gonna run first because I 750 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: got way too much money tied up in here, and 751 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: our GM has way too much time up in this 752 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: offense line not to let them shine, not let them 753 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: go win us a game and control the line of scrimmage. 754 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: So I think for the AFC North, this is union 755 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: that we have those guys because think of a DJ 756 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: Reader and how much he plays in the defonstructure for Cincinnati, 757 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: justin Mardibuque, how much he plays in the Baltimore you 758 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: know structure as well. And of course Miles Garrett and 759 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: they need a d tackle, they want one, and that's 760 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: been an issue. They gave Tomlins a big money who knows, 761 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: that's right. So I think our division is one that 762 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: still wants those guys and covets those guys. 763 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: You don't want to Andre Sweat ending up with the Browns, 764 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: No you don't, No, you do not. 765 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 4: So you might have to play lead Frock. 766 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: I mean examining the Bengals and Ravens offense even maybe 767 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 5: there won't be a lot of changes. It's the same 768 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 5: people in charge from last year. However, the Bengals are 769 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 5: probably gonna lose Boyd. Yeah, I mean they're bringing back Higgins, 770 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 5: it looks like. But are they gonna live in eleven 771 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 5: like they always have? I bet they will because that's 772 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: what Burrow wants to do. Yeah, that's where he's at 773 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 5: and in the quarterback and the head coach is the same. 774 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 5: But it's not gonna be a strong a receiver package, 775 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 5: I would imagine. But the Ravens to me are more 776 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 5: interesting because they went to more eleven, a less thirteen, 777 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 5: that type of thing. But all of a sudden, likely 778 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 5: and Andrews are really good players. They may go back 779 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 5: and the card's not going away. They may even go 780 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 5: back to heavier stuff. And I think the Steelers are 781 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 5: going to go back to heavier stuff. 782 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: And it would be smart for them because you saw 783 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: what happened in eleven personnel against the Chiefs. 784 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, they got destroyed. 785 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so I think there will I'll be 786 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: back probably not, yeah, probably not. And you'll probably go 787 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: get a receiver in a compliment's day and but you 788 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: still have likely and Andrews they need to play. It 789 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: can be your number two receiver if you don't get 790 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: that Odell type. So I mean there's a lot of 791 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: a lot of turnover. But it comes back to we 792 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: need to run the ball, and we need and when 793 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: weather starts, because all of us have open air stadiums 794 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 3: and we all play in December now, like the division races 795 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: are one in December, and we're playing each other in 796 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: two three week spans of each other. So I need 797 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: to have this ready. I can't just throw it together 798 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: at the last second. So that guy is very important 799 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: to them, and so yeah, you're probably competing with it 800 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: with it with the Cleveland as well as you're looking 801 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: at AFC South teams that are going to want to 802 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 3: do that. They want to utilize the same exact approach. 803 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 3: So I mean it's going to be fun. But I 804 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 3: think he is in that mid forties to early fifties 805 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 3: range is probably the sweet spot for his type, because 806 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: I think he's not a first round pick and you're 807 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 3: not gonna be able to justify a nose type being that, 808 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 3: But he's a very valuable second day pick, and especially 809 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: earlier in this draft. So that's why it's gonna be 810 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 3: important to see how he does. You know, is there 811 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 3: any ding against him out here in the next couple 812 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: of days that could possibly say we can get him 813 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: at fifty two. 814 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 5: The thing that you don't never know really though, and 815 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 5: this has really hurt Jordan Davis since coming in the league, 816 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 5: and you kind of alluded to it. Hey, we were 817 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 5: all intrigued with Jordan Davis coming out. Would he be 818 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 5: a good Steeler? He went right in that range. A 819 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 5: lot of people mocked him to the Steelers. But stamina 820 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 5: on a drive long basis is the problem with these guys. 821 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 5: They give you three, but then they go hurry up 822 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 5: and you can't get him off the field and he's 823 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 5: offing and puffin. That's a hard thing to decipher because 824 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 5: how often did he have to sustain a twelve play 825 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 5: drive where they're running right at him or making them 826 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 5: pass rush time and time again at Texas? 827 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 3: Pretty rare. Yeah, you haven't seen it. No, I mean, 828 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: you got a lot of run. But I mean, but 829 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 3: he was also in the Big twelve where they did 830 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: pass a lot lot. Yeah, So I mean, so the 831 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 3: resumes there and I watched them because Oklahoma State and 832 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: Oklahoma State was a run first team in the Big 833 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: Twelve Championship game, and he was in there for a 834 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 3: majority of that time and absolutely gave Ali Gordon everything 835 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: he can handle. And Alli Gordon was the number one 836 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: rusher in the country last year as a freshman. So 837 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: there are samples when you look at it. Okay, he's 838 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 3: he's in it for it, But like you said, the NFL, 839 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: it's the different guys are just as big as he 840 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 3: is on the other side of the ball, and they're 841 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 3: pushing to how does that work? But I think that 842 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 3: will come down to his stamina, how he runs, how 843 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 3: his short shuttle quickness is, and can he recover from 844 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 3: the first to the second one? Like those things you're 845 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 3: gonna be looking at. And then of course you're gonna 846 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: want to see him run on his pro day, like 847 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: when they have all those drills and D line drills 848 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: and there get him the battery and and all those 849 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 3: D tackle D line coaches are there. Breath, Yeah, how 850 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 3: does he deal with his breath? Is he a guy 851 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 3: that recovers quick? How's his heart kg? Yeah, he's gonna 852 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: be yeah as a scouting tool as well. So there's 853 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: our other implementations to check that for those guys. But 854 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 3: I think Jordan Davis, you fell in love because you're like, 855 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: holy crap, this dude is a moving mountain and you're like, 856 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 3: ran so well and ran forty so well. You didn't 857 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: think about, Okay, we got to keep him in condition. 858 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 3: And I also blame you know, strength. The conditioning coaches 859 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: also have a say in that, Oh no, no, Yeah, 860 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 3: it's like, hey, are we getting this guy on a 861 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 3: regular running routine to make sure he's he's he's ready 862 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: from week to week and when the weather gets colder 863 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 3: and November December, is he is? He is Georgia? Yeah? 864 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: Are they used to that? Where he's you sweat year round? 865 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 3: You know you don't sweat in Pittsburgh as much. And 866 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: trust me, Me and the offensive line we had those 867 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: long conversations, Hey, guys, who might need to go ahead 868 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 3: and get in the sauna just thirty minutes before meetings 869 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: and have a song session afterwards because we're not burning 870 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 3: the calary. We were outside when I was thirty degrees 871 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: out and I do think sweat. 872 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 5: I have to double check it, but I think he's 873 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 5: played a higher percentage of snaps than Davis did his last. 874 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: Year at Georgia. Yes, they had Carter, they had win 875 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: they were first round Princeton as well. 876 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean. 877 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: They had they had win him by one hundred at 878 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: the end of the game sometimes, so he didn't have 879 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 3: to play, whereas Texas had in dogfights all season, even 880 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 3: including the Big twelve championship, so he had to be 881 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: in in those key moments. So I think he does 882 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 3: have a higher especially I would say second half split. 883 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: I beg were first half, but I think he has 884 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: a higher propensity because, like I said, Big twel Championship, 885 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 3: he never came off the field. 886 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 5: It felt like, yeah, maybe he has it in him. Yea, 887 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 5: I'd be really intriguing the second round for the Steelers. 888 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 5: That's interesting and yeah maybe maybe. Then you look at 889 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 5: the cornerback in the third round if he didn't take 890 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 5: one in the first round. 891 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: Just to get a speck around to what we were 892 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 3: originally talking about, that's yeah, I'll cover it all. Here's 893 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 3: nothing wrong with two big guys in the first two 894 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 3: rounds to say, oh, you can never go wrong. Yeah, 895 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 3: the game is still won in the trenches every day. 896 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: And that's why the Super Bowl was made. 897 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: Right. I mean, you look at the Super Bowl game, 898 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: O line, D lines, We're at a premium and those 899 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 3: two and that's what the difference in the game was. 900 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he is Max Starks, You're Matt Williamson. We're still that. 901 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 2: That's still the way this works. 902 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 3: We're still here. We're still here. 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