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Speaker 1: Holiday Special Select episode release. It's that time of year again,

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Speaker 1: and now that we're airing this episode, the holiday season

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Speaker 1: can officially officially begin as of today. We hope this

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Speaker 1: a tidal wave of glad tidings from us at SYSK

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Speaker 1: to you. Happy holidays. May they now begin in earnest.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuckers Bryant and Jerry Jerome Roland. Who's the Wookie mother? Yeah? Mala,

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Speaker 1: that was the Wookie wife. Oh and mother? Yeah? Sure.

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Speaker 1: Chewbacca's bomb is not with them any longer. She left,

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Speaker 1: she was not about to appear in that. She went

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Speaker 1: out the window. I'm excited about this. I have to

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Speaker 1: say we should say Happy Star Wars Day. Yeah, today

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Speaker 1: is um December seventeenth. I have my opening night tickets?

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Speaker 1: Do you really sure? Wow? You know? I you into it? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I will definitely go see it in the theater.

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Speaker 1: But um, why won't be the opening night? Sure? I've

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Speaker 1: gotten really adept at like ignoring spoilers, people talking about

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Speaker 1: stuff all like, so I can I could conceivably see

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Speaker 1: this movie a month after it comes out and still

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Speaker 1: going fresh. Yeah it's I'm an ostrich. Yeah you black

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Speaker 1: I've been there a while now. Uh well, Happy Star

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Speaker 1: Wars Day though, I'm sure that I think this pairs

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Speaker 1: nicely with Chris Smiths Star Wars Day. It's all come together. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: we already missed Life Day though, so happy belated Life Day.

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Speaker 1: Are they celebrating it this year? November seventeenth? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it's every three years. M hmm, our cane yeah, man job, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's every three years, started in nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: Let's do the math, shall we m? Quick? Math break?

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Speaker 1: I believe that twenty fourteen was the last Life Day. Man,

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Speaker 1: we just missed it, and then again in twenty seventeen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so twenty seventeen we'll celebrate Life Day. We'll put on

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Speaker 1: our red robes, our ultralong, straight ironed wigs, sure, and

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Speaker 1: we'll celebrate Life Day. The way it was meant to. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and if you have no idea what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about Life Day, which is a celebration,

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Speaker 1: uh that Wookies in the Star Wars universe have every

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Speaker 1: They celebrate the diversity of their ecosystem and also remembrance

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Speaker 1: like the Finns basically. Yeah, it's it's a very interesting

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Speaker 1: articles that we use for this. There's great a great

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Speaker 1: article in Vanity Fair called the Han Solo Comedy Hour

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Speaker 1: X Glamation Point Yes by Frank D. Jacomo. And then

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Speaker 1: there's the Star Wars Holiday Special was the worst thing

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Speaker 1: from Motherboard, Yeah, which is not wired. It's a vice. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and by proxy Chuck too, Okay, thank you. So um,

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Speaker 1: throwing ideas, and George Lucas would either say like, no,

419
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't work, give him a glacial stare, or say, yes,

420
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. Yes, let's make this a variety show. Yeah.

421
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: And there was a little bit of background there. The

422
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: cantina players in the band had appeared on other variety

423
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: shows at that point. Yeah, and I think it went

424
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: over fairly well, just as a short segment on like

425
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: the Richard Pryor Variety Show or Donnie Marie yep Man.

426
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: There were a lot of variety shows. But that's what

427
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was that was television. That's what you did,

428
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: like the breaks. The show had its course, and then

429
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: it became a variety show. It was everybody love variety shows. Yeah.

430
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: By this time, though, everybody was sick of variety shows,

431
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: and so it really was a terrible choice. In fact,

432
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: they even hired a couple of writers from Shields and Yarnell,

433
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: which I hadn't heard of, had you? Oh yeah, I

434
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: watched it. It was creepy, this mime couple who had

435
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: their own variety show, and they figured these two will

436
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: be great because they are used to working without words, right, So,

437
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: and so there is a certain logic to the variety show.

438
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: It's not that's just that variety shows were popular. Yeah,

439
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: at the time, somebody was like, well, Wookie's you don't

440
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: understand what they're saying. So this is all going to

441
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: be very physical. So these people who who did what

442
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: is it? Shields and Yarnell. Yeah, that's a perfect choice.

443
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: That that makes complete sense. You can see this whole

444
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: this whole process of leading up to the point where

445
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: it was produced and shot and everything. Yeah, a series

446
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: of like, oh we have this problem, well here's a fix. Yeah,

447
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: but that leads to another problem. Well we'll fix it

448
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: with this, and no one stepping back and being like,

449
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: all we've done is create a series of problems that

450
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: are going to come together and make one extraordinarily large

451
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: problem that will become legendary. No one did that, and

452
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: so the whole thing was made. That's right, and it

453
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: eventually airs on November seventeenth, nineteen seventy eight, a Friday,

454
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: at eight pm Eastern time. That's right, And according to

455
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: CBS Nielsen ratings, it attracted thirteen million viewers lost the

456
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: second hour just in the US. It aired in six

457
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: or seven countries total. Yeah, but no one cares about that,

458
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: I guess not because none of those are on the internet.

459
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: You know. It finished second to the Love Boat in

460
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: the second I'm sorry, from eight to nine, and in

461
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: the next hour I actually finished behind part two of

462
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: a mini series about Pearl Harbor starring Angie Dickinson. So

463
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: it didn't even win their respective hours. No, thirteen million,

464
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: that's that's not bad. The thing is, apparently if you

465
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: look at the Nielsen ratings graph for the first hour,

466
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah we know about that graph, It's okay, Yeah, we do.

467
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: And then after a very important part, which we'll talk

468
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: about soon, it just drops off at the end of

469
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: the first hour, and that actually probably made the executives

470
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: at CBS cringe for a number of reasons. Number one

471
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: is this special was originally supposed to just be an hour,

472
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: but so many advertisers wanted to sign one that they

473
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: extended it to two hours. And it shines through. You

474
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: can totally tell that this thing was never supposed to

475
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: I think an hour might have been stretching it, to

476
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. Yeah, it's thirty minutes of content,

477
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: forty if you're generous, an hour and then two hours.

478
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: It becomes one of the worst things that was ever

479
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: put on television. All right, Well, let's take a break

480
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk a little bit more about the

481
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: actual even don't want to call it content, but it

482
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: is content in the strictest definitions. Right after this, all right,

483
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: so the show itself, we've given you the main plot line,

484
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: which again is that Chewy is trying to get back

485
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: to his home planet to celebrate life Day with his family. Right,

486
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: that's it, And again we almost barely see Chewy. Yeah,

487
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: the rest is his family on because look waiting for

488
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: him to come back for a life Day. Yeah. So, um.

489
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: Some of the various things they did there were guest stars.

490
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: There was Harvey Corman from the Carol Burnette Show. Okay,

491
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites him or Carol Carol

492
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: Burnette show both. He's great. Yeah, he actually if you

493
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: watch what he's doing, you're like, this is comedy genius

494
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: for sure. Apparently he too was like the only one

495
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: on set that was bringing levity. He was joking around

496
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: and kind of kept spirits up. Good for him, that's

497
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: what I say. And he had three, three different parts. Yeah,

498
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: he played uh well, I don't even know the names. Actually,

499
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: we could look him up, but he played a he

500
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: played a Julia child like cook. There's an actual cooking segment,

501
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: a long one, a very long cooking segment where Chewbacca's

502
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: wife makes Banta stew to kill some time, to kill

503
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: some time because there was waiting on her planet and

504
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: in our living room. Yeah, so Harvey Corman is in

505
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Drag as a foe armed Julia childlike TV chef and

506
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: I think it's Gormanda. It's her name, Gormanda. That makes

507
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: total sense. Yeah, he also plays um. There's this one

508
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: weird bit where Chewbacca's son tries to figure out a

509
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: way to trick the stormtroopers that the Empire had come

510
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: and kind of because the blockade raided the house and

511
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: other properties, so he tries to trick them by I

512
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: think rigging a calm link to speak in a different voice.

513
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: So he has to watch the instruction manual. He watches

514
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: an instruction video which was Harvey Kitel as a robot. Oh,

515
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: it would have been wonderful of big Harvey Kitel. What

516
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I'd say, Harvey Carvey Corman. Oh, many Kite murders someone

517
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of the instruction grade Harvey Corman. And

518
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: then the final role he had was as a bar

519
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: patron in the cantina that drinks. He has a hole

520
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: in the top of his head like a volcano where

521
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: he pours his drinks in. That's how he drinks. And

522
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: he he loves be Arthur. Did we mention be Arthur

523
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: was in it? Be Arthur is not only in it, Chuck.

524
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: She sings a song. She does. She is the unknownst

525
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: to everyone. She manages or maybe owns the owner. Yeah,

526
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: the what's the mos? What mos def cantina? Uh No,

527
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: most deaf is a rapper? Oh yeah, I think you

528
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: mean Moss Eisley. Yes, yes, that cantina. She's the owner.

529
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Be Arthur is the owner. Be Arthur of the Golden Girls,

530
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: but in this case be Arthur of Maude because as

531
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: one of the people who wrote one of the articles

532
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: we based this on points out she's just basically playing

533
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Maude as the owner of the cantina. Yeah, and her

534
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: song comes because they basically say there's a lockdown, so

535
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: you gotta call last call at your bar. So she

536
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: calls last call by singing a song to everyone. Right,

537
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and again, we can't possibly have the script lead anywhere

538
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: else but Chewbacca's house while his family waits for it.

539
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: So all this takes place as part of a public

540
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: service announcement basically broadcast by the Empire about how immoral

541
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: life on Tattooen is. So let's go see what's going

542
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: on in the mos Eisley Cantina as it's being shut

543
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: down for curfew. Yeah, all right, this is incomprehensible, but

544
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: it goes on. So they're in it. There's also Art Carney, yes,

545
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: of the Honeymooners, finally the star of the whole thing. Really,

546
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: he has the most lines, I would say, the most

547
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: comprehensible line, right, Yeah, So he plays a trader, a

548
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: human trader that has recently been with Han Solo and

549
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Chewy and actually gets to Kazuk and says they're on

550
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: the way, it's all good. Yeah, a trader, not trade tour. Yeah,

551
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: traders in trades humans for you know, money. No, he

552
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: sells goods. Yeah, a trader. He isn't trade humans. Yeah,

553
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: he's in the human trade. He No, he isn't really, Yeah,

554
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: he trades humans like he sells humans. Looked it up

555
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: in the Star Wars Encyclopedia said that he was in

556
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: the human trade. Huh so in this Christmas special, Yeah,

557
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: apparently they sanitized his background because he's basically just selling

558
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: like gadgets and novelties and stuff like that to the

559
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Wookies and the Empire who were occupying the area. Yes,

560
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: he comes bearing gifts because he's a friend of Chewbacca's family. Yeah,

561
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: so he comes bearing gifts. One of the gifts he

562
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: gives is a sort of like a little digital insert

563
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: to a Oh, I guess you would call it a

564
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: virtual reality hair dryer hair dryer, like a beauty shop

565
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: hair dryer. Right. He gives it to Grandpa Itchy. Grandpa

566
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Itchy sits under this hair dryer, pops in this digital cassette,

567
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: and it can only be described as softcore porn. Apparently,

568
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: the writers who were interviewed for this said that was

569
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: totally the intent. They were trying to get what amounted

570
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: to softcore porn that would pass the sensors. That's right.

571
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: So it's all you can't even say it's innuendo. It's

572
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: too obvious in overt for innuendo. Instead, it's just it's

573
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: just it's just gross. It's really gross. Diane Carroll, great singer,

574
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Yes she is a Vegas staple, shows up and starts

575
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: basically tantalizing. M Grandpa Itchy, who again, this is Chewbacca's

576
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: elderly father who now engages in some sort of well

577
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: he's he's watching virtual reality pornography now, and this is

578
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: a pretty lengthy segment in and of itself. Well yeah,

579
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: and she literally says to him like, now I can

580
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: see you're really excited. Yeah, it's pretty rough to watch. Yeah,

581
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: So then you've got another musical number because also again

582
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: he shudders, Yeah, it's really strange. All right. So there's

583
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: also a I know, it seems like we're jumping around,

584
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's so mind blowing, not like this is

585
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: pretty much like blow for blow. Um. Actually I forgot

586
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: earlier on in the in the special, there's one of

587
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: my favorite sequences is when Grandpa Itchy goes over to

588
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Lumpy and basically sets up remember the hologram chessboard that

589
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: they played in a New Hope. Yeah, basically kind of

590
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: sets that up and says, here, just play this. He

591
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: pushes the button which is clearly a nineteen seventies cassette recorder,

592
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: and another like it's like a cirque desolate acid trip

593
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: gymnast routine happens in front of the kid's eyes. Yeah,

594
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and again this all just it's not like it shows

595
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: a snippet. They show the entire segments, like five, six,

596
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: ten minutes long. Sure of all of these things. So

597
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: you would think, Okay, they've gone to this hologram well

598
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: a couple of times, why not go to it again?

599
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: Well they do. They do to kill more time. While

600
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: the Imperial Guard is ransacking their house. Art Carney apparently,

601
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: I guess, is trying to get one of the Imperial Guard,

602
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: the leader I think, or one of the leaders who

603
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: looks like somebody from Spaceballs, by the way, very much so. Yeah,

604
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: And the writer of the Vanity Fair article, by the way,

605
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: said this, this is so incomprehensible. The specialist George Lucas

606
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: didn't even have the Schwartz with him at the time.

607
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: So anyway, Art Carney's distracting this Imperial leader while they're

608
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: ransacking the Wookie's house Chewbacca's house with a hologram, and

609
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: this hologram, instead of being an acrobat or Diane Carroll

610
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: or any kind of porn or anything like that, is

611
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Jefferson Starship. And they decide that they're going to play

612
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Light the Sky on Fire, which apparently is about UFOs.

613
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: It's a little music video basically, it's a Yeah, it's

614
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: the predecessor to like video Kill the Radio Star, you

615
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: can tell. And again it is the whole lengthy song. Yeah,

616
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So every time that somebody's like we

617
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: need to escape mentally from what's going on here in

618
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: our house, let's go into the video world, it's not

619
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: just and they don't cut back and forth. It's okay,

620
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: here's five minutes of Jefferson Starship performing this song. Yeah,

621
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: and even the Jefferson Starship guys m were like, yeah,

622
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: it's sort of a weird trip, like we didn't get it,

623
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: but we did it right. They gave us some money

624
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: and some cocaine. Well probably, so we said yeah, chuck,

625
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: I think though there yet another segment like this is

626
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: actually widely regarded as the high point of the whole thing.

627
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh sure, so there is a cartoon actually, yeah, that

628
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: lump Lumpy watches Yeah lumpies, like the Imperial Guard is

629
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: still ransacking my house. I think I'll entertain myself by

630
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: watching a cartoon on my little um, I don't know what.

631
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I guess it was an iPad and he watches this

632
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: cartoon and it's it's actually remarkable for a number of reasons.

633
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: It's the best part of the whole special. Yeah, generally

634
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: agreed upon as such, right, not just us. And it

635
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: introduces Boba Fett. It's the first time Boba Fett ever

636
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: makes an appearance in the Star Wars universe. Yeah, it's

637
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: actually not a bad And you can't find it in

638
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: the the one version I told you to watch. They

639
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: removed it for copyright, but they didn't watch a separate version, right,

640
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: you can find it on its own. Yeah, and it's

641
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: um it's very much reminiscent of like the cartoon style

642
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: of the day, like a he Man or something. Sure,

643
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: even even it's even a little more artsy than that. Yeah,

644
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: but it does have a plot that you can follow

645
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense as a Star Wars thing. Yeah, and

646
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: it introduces Boba Fett, like you said, and it's actually

647
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: not bad. It's like Luke and R two and C

648
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: three po Yeah, and they're like they crash on a

649
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: planet or something. Yeah, and Han and chewhere you're in it.

650
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: And it's the first time we see in Darth Vader.

651
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: It's first time we see Boba Fett and that he

652
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: is that he is just doing whatever he can do

653
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: for money, right, Like Luke trusts him at first. C

654
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: three pos like you sure you should trust him this quick?

655
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, three po, you and your non

656
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: trusting ways, and then it turns out he's selling them

657
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: out to the dark side. So it's it's basically Boba

658
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Fett is an allegory for George Lucas himself. Um. So

659
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the cartoon comes and goes, and that was the thing

660
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: that came at about the end of the first hour

661
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: mark and after that everybody just turned off their television sets. Yeah,

662
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Did you watch this when it came out? Yeah?

663
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: I remember watching it, but I don't remember much about it,

664
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: Like if I made it through at all, I mean

665
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: it was I was seven and it was on till ten,

666
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: so I probably didn't make it through it all. Yeah, um,

667
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: plus you're probably disturbed. Who knows, I just remember that.

668
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask my brother. He might have a

669
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: memory of this. Oh, Betty does. I'm sure he met

670
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: everybody afterwards or something like that. You know, it has

671
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: a picture. Well, he was ten at that point, so

672
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: cynicism had, you know, become a thing in his life

673
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: probably by then. Sure didn't that when cynicism kicks into

674
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Scott holding out the fourteen fifteen Yeah maybe so so um, chuck,

675
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing finally does end. And actually there's a

676
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: guy his name is Nathan Raban, he writes over at

677
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: the av Club. He had a great quote. He basically

678
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: said that one of the great redeeming values of this

679
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: um this special is that it does eventually end. Yeah,

680
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, the first part of the quote is, I'm

681
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: not convinced the special wasn't ultimately written and directed by

682
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: a sentient bag of cocaine. And like, go read his

683
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: review of the Star Wars Holiday Special, because he goes

684
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: on to describe exactly what that must have been like

685
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: development meeting where the bag of cocaine is pacing back

686
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: and forth talking about what should happen. That's what it

687
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: feels like. But it doesn't, and it ends even more.

688
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: It takes this bizarre two hours and wraps it up

689
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: in just a nice bizarre bow. Yeah, so what happens

690
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: is eventually Han Solo should we say spoiler alert. Eventually

691
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Han Solo and Chewy make it to the planet. They

692
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: park on the far side of the planet because they

693
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: know the Imperial forces are there and the exercise will

694
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: do Chewy good. Yeah, so they have to hike over there.

695
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 1: They eventually make it back home. They find a storm

696
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: the stormtroopers at their house, their tree hut. Yeah, which

697
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: way by the paintings that set this up, I don't

698
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: think we mentioned I don't even call him Matt paintings.

699
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: It looks like someone painted something on the wall and

700
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: they just like put a camera in front of it.

701
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: Pretty much. Yeah. So they get back and Chewbacca, Han

702
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: Solo hides around the corner of Chebacca steps in front

703
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: of his son to protect him. Han Solo jumps out

704
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: and the stormtrooper trips over a pile of logs and

705
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: falls over the balcony. And dies in a holiday special,

706
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: So they wouldn't even not only could he not shoot

707
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: first with Grido, but they couldn't even have him like

708
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: wrestle the stormtrooper and throw him off. He trips over

709
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: a log, right and Han Solo has his hands thrown

710
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: up like wasn't me? It might as well been a

711
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: banana peel, you know. But again, this is basically produced

712
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: by Vaudevillians starring vaudevillians. Why not have the one death

713
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: take place from basically what it mounts to somebody slipping

714
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: on a banana peel? Exactly, It's a it's a perfect

715
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: way to end it. So that's that guy basically represents

716
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: the end of the Imperial threat for the rest of

717
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Life Day. Yeah. And we then see Life Day being celebrated,

718
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: which is celebrated by lots of wookies assembling in what

719
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: looks like a giant Olan Mills portrait. Yea, and all

720
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: of them are wearing red robes sor and I know

721
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm up talking, and it's because my mind is still

722
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: having trouble like wrapping around us. And then Princess Leia

723
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: comes out with C three po is Mark Hamill. There

724
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: the whole gang Zerifi. Okay, the whole gangs there, and

725
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: then they all gather around to hear a great quote

726
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: from Princess Leia, which we will read verbatim. This holiday

727
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: is yours, but we all share with you the hope

728
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: that this day brings us closer to freedom, into harmony,

729
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: and to peace. No matter how different we appear, we're

730
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: all the same in our struggle against the powers of

731
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: evil and darkness. I hope that this day will always

732
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: be a day of joy in which we can reconfirm

733
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: our dedication and our courage, and, more than anything else,

734
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: our love for one another. This is the promise of

735
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: the Tree of Life que song, right, And we should

736
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: also point out the tree of Life has never been

737
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: mentioned up to this point, no idea what this takes

738
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: a sudden appearance at the end. And when you said

739
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: Q song, by Q song, you mean Princess Leia starts singing. Yeah.

740
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: And apparently that was one of the big contingencies on

741
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Carrie Fischer being involved. Yeah, she's going through a phase

742
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: where she's like, I kind of like singing. Bruce Valancie

743
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: calls it her Joni Mitchell period. Yeah, And she somehow

744
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: convinced them to let her sing as Princess Leiah and

745
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: she does. And again I've said that she looks like

746
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: she's on drugs. This is the point where she really

747
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: does look like she's on drugs. And it's not just

748
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: me other writers who've written reviews of this. It's really

749
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: obvious that she possibly smoked a decent amount of pot

750
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: before she shot this, shot this, but she sings, Oh, okay,

751
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: it's fine. It's just the fact that Princess leigh is singing.

752
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: And actually, Bruce Valanche had a really great quote too.

753
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: He says that she very much wanted to show this

754
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: side of her talent, and there was general dismay because

755
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: this was not what we wanted Princess Leia to be doing. Yeah,

756
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: she did it anyway. So the whole thing ends with

757
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: her singing this song about life day, which is set

758
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: loosely to the John Williams Star Wars theme. Yeah. So

759
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: along the way, the director original director quit, A new director,

760
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: Steve Binder, was hired to finish the job and bring

761
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: it in, and he did over the original one million

762
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: dollar budget. Of course, always he did bring it in

763
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: and at this point George Lucas said he was he

764
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: was working on Empire Strikes Back. He didn't know what

765
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: was going on. He wasn't around for the shoot. No,

766
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't until it aired. I think that he actually

767
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: saw it. Yes, and it was a travesty, obviously, if

768
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: you haven't noticed that by now. Critics hated it. Star

769
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Wars fans really hated it. Everybody hate The people who

770
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: were in it hated it. Lucas hated it. Even Harvey

771
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: Corman secretly hated it. Yeah, even Harvey Keitel hated it.

772
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: Actually he loved it. But Lucas has been asked over

773
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: the years about it a lot, and he doesn't talk

774
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: about it much. But in two thousand and five, and

775
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't buy this for a second, he says it

776
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: was an interview he said special from nineteen seventy eight.

777
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I really didn't have much to do with us. You

778
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: know that part is true. I can't remember what network

779
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: it was even on, but it was a thing that

780
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: they did. That's a lie. There's no way he doesn't know.

781
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: That was CBS. Yeah, we kind of just let them

782
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: do it. I believe that it was done by I

783
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: can't even remember who the group was, but they were

784
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: Variety TV guys. I'm sure he remembers a few of them.

785
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: We let them use the characters and stuff, and that

786
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you learn

787
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: from those experiences. Yeah, I think they even use some

788
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: of the footage from the movie. At the end. It

789
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: looks like some of the space like a highlight reel. Yeah,

790
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: the gang. Well, and during the um it looked like

791
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: some of the they had some insert shots of like

792
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Imperial cruisers and Taie fighters and stuff that. Yeah, and

793
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: remember when when Chewbacca like leans back and puts his

794
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: hands behind it, Yeah, that's in there. It's it's like

795
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: a it's just a highlight reel from the movie. Saying

796
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: like I feel like this, go see the movie. Well,

797
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: and also that means it doesn't match the look of

798
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: the rest of it at all. Yeah, that's true. It's

799
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: just sort of inserted. They tried, They definitely tried. And

800
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: George Lucas is totally full of it, because in nineteen

801
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: eighty seven he told Starlog magazine that the Christmas Special

802
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: would be out on video cassette very soon. Yes, And

803
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, two years after that quote,

804
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: you just read where he's like, I don't even know

805
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Basically, he apparently considered releasing the

806
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Christmas Special as a bonus on the DVDs of the

807
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: first three right, but did not did and apparently Carrie

808
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Fisher told Lucas that if you want me to do

809
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: DVD extras commentary, yeah, commentary, then I want a clean

810
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: original copy of the Holiday Special? Yes, so why go

811
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: ahead so I can play at parties when I want

812
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: people to leave. It's pretty great, it is so, and

813
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: there is one of those clean copies is floating around

814
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: out there, so you can watch this in its entirety.

815
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: Some of it, like the cartoon, was removed due to

816
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: copyright infringement and that kind of stuff, but as as

817
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: the case with the rest of the Internet, you can

818
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: just go find it elsewhere and piece it together. There's

819
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: also the original ads that aired in Baltimore. Yeah, that

820
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: are just fascinating. Yeah, those are always fun gm ads

821
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: where one of the guys who's in quality control is

822
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: he says, did you watch it? I don't think I

823
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: saw that. He goes, um, we really care about these

824
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: cars and that's no job, man, I'm a gm ad

825
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: and he's like, that's serious. They're trying to be hip. Yeah,

826
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty good stuff. Here's my final thought on it.

827
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: I love it. It does not taint my Star Wars

828
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: experience or my love for the franchise. And I'm glad

829
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: it is out there because it's a it's a fun

830
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: little stain that shouldn't be taken too seriously. I think

831
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: it adds to it actually, because it's campy and awful. Yeah,

832
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know somehow that enriches the rest of it.

833
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm with you, you like it? Oh yeah, I mean

834
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: I watched it twice. I wouldn't watched it a second

835
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it through the first time. Let

836
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: me take that back, as I'm a pro. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: There wasn't something about it, and I figured out. I

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Speaker 1: entire thing. She like her responses and everything. It's just awesome.

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Speaker 1: I think my favorite parts are well there's a great

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Speaker 1: Wilhelm scream yes, trips over the law. Jerry would not

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Speaker 1: have noticed it. Uh. And then there's a part where

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Speaker 1: exchange where Lumpy you can make it out, goes I

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Speaker 1: love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed that, but it's

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Speaker 1: said I love you. Should we have them redo it?

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Speaker 1: And then director's like, no, I want to go and chuck.

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Speaker 1: There's one other thing that I figured out from watching this.

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Speaker 1: What's that it's not readily apparent the whole thing is

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Speaker 1: made all the more odd, and that there's situation after

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Speaker 1: Had there been a laugh track, yeah, it it might

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Speaker 1: have been less bizarre. Yeah, but the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: this whole additional element that it is weird. I never

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Speaker 1: thought about that there's just weird moments of silence all

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Speaker 1: throughout it. Yeah, like when Art Carney's doing his thing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: telling jokes. Yeah, okay, I agree with you, Chuck. Don't

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Speaker 1: take things too seriously. I think that's the great lesson

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Speaker 1: day it is. And in two thousand and seven, Riff

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Speaker 1: tracks The Great Mystery Science Theater. Three thousand guys. Mike Nelson,

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Speaker 1: Bill Corbett, and Kevin Murphy provided audio commentary for the

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Speaker 1: full version of the special. So try and go grab

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Speaker 1: that if you can as well. Oh you can, it's

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Speaker 1: on their site because it's great. I think it's like

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Speaker 1: least I think Corbett listens to us. So, hey, Corbett,

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Speaker 1: you got anything else? No, No, I think we did this.

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Speaker 1: There's some good stuff. Go read the Vanity Fair article

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Speaker 1: a Han Solo comedy hour. There's a book called How

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Speaker 1: Star Wars Conquered the Universe has a very interesting chapter

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Speaker 1: about this. That's where we found it. Asserted that George

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Speaker 1: Lucas never said that he would smash this thing with

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Speaker 1: a sledgehammer, right, And there's also an entire website dedicated

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Speaker 1: to a Star Wars holiday special dot com. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the Star Wars

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Speaker 1: holiday special, we have a ton of Star Wars stuff

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Speaker 1: on how Stuff Works by the way, Yeah, we have cool,

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Speaker 1: sort of fun articles about the Death Star and Lightsabers

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Speaker 1: videos with Holly Fry from Stuff you missed in history class. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: stuff for you. Since I said search bar's time for

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Speaker 1: listener mail. Hey guys, just finished listening to the Voytage

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Speaker 1: Manuscript podcast. Found it's super interesting, especially the theories on

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Speaker 1: its definition or origin. I know, Josh Menchin Chuck Siri,

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Speaker 1: think about it, it's a tough. It's tough to stray

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Speaker 1: away from familiar structures, especially for something like language. I

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Speaker 1: Creativity can sometimes be limited by what we know, so

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Speaker 1: just thought I contribute that to the conversation. Nice. Thanks big,

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Speaker 1: thanks for all you guys do. I found the podcast

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